We all know his wife is the real mvp of the channel. Imagine having such an amazing person who is equally into your hobby as you are. What a lucky man!
I even want him to start car reviews. He can point out minute details like AC effectiveness and sound isolation of the car cabin etc in numerical terms which no one else states.
Rob, I'm continually impressed with how well you quantify what truly are qualitative and subjective data. Also, major kudos for doing the tests fully blind and unbiased, and even going as far as having your wife do the painting. Your experience as a science teacher serves you well here! That said, I'm more of a TV guy than a projector guy, but your insight is always interesting, insightful, and informative (bonus points for alliteration). Thanks for doing what you do 👍
Before even seeing this video, it reminds me of the wayyy overprized Monster speaker cable scam that cost 30 times the price than plain lamp cable that you get from The Home Despot. Even the so-called "audiophiles" couldn't tell lamp wire from the fancy Monster speaker cable. But the Monster cable had very nice plastic covering.
Fantastic comparison review Rob! Thanks! awkwardly, I do not have a projector, nor do I foresee buying one, but watched this anyway because of the quality of your work!
Wife assist for the blind review. Just when I thought there wasn’t any water left in the review rock you’re squeezing... Head and shoulders thee best reviewer on YT and it isn’t very close. Hats off!
Wow. So much effort... When I wanted to paint a wall for projection, I simply went to Home Depot, got a color chart of whites, brought it home, and projected against them. Then I got samples of the best three paints, and two extra of one so as to have eggshell, flat, and semi gloss examples. I picked the best looking paint, got a gallon, and that was that.
Yeah, Goo Systems is who i went with for my basement. I just posed the question as a standalone comment as to why their product wasn't included in this review. Seems like an obvious omission. It's price is not out of line with the other products tested. And Robert hasn't shied away in the past from expensive items in his comparos.
Great video! I only have the $70 Happrun projector (from your recommendation) so spending money on the expensive paints would not make sense for me, but this video still helped me. I'm projecting onto a regular white wall, and the section where you mentioned reflected light from adjacent walls washing out the picture made me realize that I can probably improve my picture by finding some cheap way to cover my adjacent white walls with something black
Good job and great review, greatly appreciated. Proof is in the pudding. They just need to accept and take the L. Now let's see if they still keep the "advertised" .8-.85 gain.
Honestly, out of all the test paints considering the price I’d probably go with the Behr anyway. To the layman it just looks better in all the side by side. And if you really cared that much about image quality I would just pay for an 85”+ tv and still come out ahead.
True, if you're not at all concerned with black levels and contrast the Behr is a great option. As far as the 85" TV, you'd be surprised how much larger a 120" screen is than 85", let alone 150".
The Behr i300 looking mighty good here. Black out your room from reflections. Calibrate it so the slightly higher red gains not being as high. And muah.
For sure, if white is what you are after then screen specific paint doesn't make much sense. At lower gains it seems like the real screen paints are better though.
Arguably the UST also shouldn't be used with a non-ALR screen at all, due to the angle it hits the screen with. If you don't have ALR, it bounces insane quantities of light into the ceiling. Very interesting comparo, not that relevant for me at this time but still quite interesting and well done.
This video is incredibly useful for anyone considering projector screen paints. By testing 8 different paints, it provides a clear comparison between high-cost projector screen paints and regular paint options. The findings help viewers make informed decisions on whether the extra expense is justified. Highly recommended for those looking to optimize their home theater setup without overspending!
It's probably safe to say that some of these paint formulas were intended to be sprayed on and not roller applied to avoid the streaking. If those that showed streaking can be applied by spraying and retested without the streaks?
Spraying indoors in a finished room is a pretty difficult task. I have no doubt that every paint would look better sprayed, but I don't think it's a realistic ask in most cases.
Great video! Question though - is it worth painting or just buying an inexpensive gray screen? Is there anything special about the paint - or is it just the color? I had a projector since 2005, and build and painted a screen at the time with some fancy paint, and later replaced it with just a cheap white screen that was larger - and I really didn't notice much of a difference. The cheap screen didn't reflect as much light, for sure, but also the black levels were slightly better (although the projectors then were pretty dim so black levels were less of an issue). Anyways, if you happen to see this and have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them.
I think a decent screen ($300-500 silver ticket) would accomplish something similar. Cheaper screens tend to be pretty garbage unless you're just looking for 1.1gain white.
I was hoping this would include the use of a clear reflective paint, which could be used for something like house projection mapping without affecting the appearance of the house. The base surface would obviously make a difference though. Very informative video though as always!
Generally speaking the more reflective a paint is the more issues you'll have with hotspotting and laser speckle, matte screens are usually better for uniformity.
Amazing idea of testing and great work, congratulation. For my setup, i just buy a cheap mate white paint. It work perfectly and i saved a lot of money. But i know i should be an heretic for some people 😄
Great video. Id love to see a comparison of those DIY paint mixes you find on Reddit and such. Can you mix cheaper store bought paint and get good results?
I've been waiting for you to perform a comparison of screen paint. What was the reason for not including Goo Systems products? In my completely light-controlled basement theater, I've been very happy with their recommended Screen Goo Acrylic Premier Primer and Goo 2.0 Reference White.
I appreciate your time and honest review. I am curious why you chose the darkest coating we make to put up against competitors lighter coatings. I would also question why you would choose the lightest paint LLC sells when he "specializes" in black. And lastly, it sounds like this could have been queued up by Robbie 😊
I basically went to the respective youtube channels, found what seemed like the most recent video with what was supposed to be the "new best formula" and then purchased that formula through the website. These paints were purchased in early May.
@@TheHookUp Very good review, I was on the hunt a while ago for someone to do this review with proper tools to put an end to all these made up claims by the sellers, like their made up gain, which is false advertising and straight up lies.
@@TheHookUp They just wrote a number down that looks good. They don't have the tools or equipment to properly spec their product. Just a local home depot and some paint supplies.
Thanks so much for all of your amazingly detailed videos. This will sound stupid but how functional (or insane) would it be to buy a drop down screen to just paint? Will the result just be a complete mess? Or could someone hope ot get a budget (though not the same) ALR screen with something like the S1 or Black Widow?
I put the black widow on my outdoor roll up screen: x.com/TheHookUp1/status/1811827444715847684 It is holding up well so far, I'll post on twitter if and when it sticks/falls apart/flakes. The FL heat is pretty brutal on everything.
I would stay away from the "Black Widow" paint. Sometimes it works but mostly it doesn't when the buyer isn't happy he lies and treats the unhappy buyer with lawsuits and all kind of other stuff.
ruclips.net/video/-6NWDqqGQJY/видео.htmlsi=s88nAz2l4Z3Xf9bV I did a pull down on the black series paint I am using a Panasonic VMZ40 laser projector and it looks great
Great and interesting review. But the Imperial paint by black series edition is an outdated product since he changes every 2 months or so the name of his paint. I personally don't recommend black series edition because of how he treats his unhappy buyers. Black series is also staging most of his videos to make the samples look bad.
I don't know anything about the guy or his business practices other than the fact that his website is an abomination. I just bought all the paints and reviewed them blind.
@@TheHookUp ye he treats his customers terrible runs to youtube with hrs on end of slandering videos if u dont like his paint stages everything threatens to sue u just because you dont like his paint it looked awful on my benq 700sti everyone is best staying clear of black series edition
@@TheHookUp No worries about that. I think you did a great job with the review. He does have another site to order some paint but I know what you mean about his site. He ripped off a lot of customers and you could be happy that the paint you received was working. I saw some other stuff when it came to him.
If I could had made a suggestion, it would be to do the overhead flashlight test against a true ALR screen and the paints that are claiming to be ALR to show that there is no way a paint can reject overhead light.
These would definitely not perform like a CLR lenticular screen does, but there are other types of ALR that would be theoretically possible in paints using reflective solids. Using crystalline solids that reflect light on the same axis the light is received is how most long throw ALR screens work (like the Vividstorm Obsidian Long Throw ALR for instance). The issue with using reflective solids is that it creates issues with hotspotting, "sparkling", and more recently we're learning that it greatly exacerbates laser speckle.
Great video , I wanted to ask , where would you rate a half decent paint job on a bare wall against the screens out there? As good as a mid range screen ? Or only just as good as a budget screen?
A good paint job (thinned paint, prepped wall, 15+ coats), is as good as any screen. A decent/mediocre paint job is probably equivalent to a budget screen.
A couple of questions. I have the Nebula Mars 3, which was not tested and have a room that will have light at times from 4 windows. I'm assuming you won't use every screen when reviewing projectors going forward (or will you...?). is there a good rule of thumb on how to guess which of these is best for a given projector? Second, does this work as well on the wall as on the screen? Does the finish make much difference? Also, I was looking at the Paint on screen s1 ultimate on amazon they claim it's for areas with high ambient light, which I thought was interesting given your review showing how great it was with low light situations. Also, amazon has a paint rated better than the S1 ultra that could be worth a review (Digital image ultra white HD projector screen paint)
@@TheHookUp I saw in comments that you scheduled that for 11th of October and I just can't wait to see it. Thanks! But... I don't think I'll resist with the Mars 2 in the Amazon cart so long 🙏. God help me! 😅
Hi Rob, have you got the chance to get your hands in a Vizony Projector? price quality seems reasonable but i would love to see your opinion on the matter since you are the expert for example Vizony SQ6
Can you do used projectors vs new projector video? The topic is board but maybe old projectors like Benq HT2050/Epson 1060/80 and Benq W1070 deserve another look 😁
Unfortunately, that video would be nearly worthless. When buying used it's all about luck and depends entirely on how well the projector was treated in its past life.
Saw this video and was interested to know what the results were. Got excited when you mentioned triple lasers and saw a JMGO projector like mine. However you did not even use it. Now what do I compare that to with your results?
Hi, In the description you have stated that you are using Dangbei DBOX02 (Mars Pro 2) for testing. Can you do a review of that model compared to Formovie X5, please. I am thinking about choosing one of them but I am not sure. I suspect that Mars 2 has more useful options and X5 has better image and brightness. I hope you will manage to make this video, thank you.
@@TheHookUp Thank you for your reply. For me, 2 months is a bit too long to wait and I'll have to choose something myself. I'm tempted by the 3D support option in Mars 2 but the image quality, brightness and contrast in X5 is probably a much better choice. In any case, I'll definitely watch your comparison once you publish it, thanks.
Hey, Rob. Here's a question I've always wondered about, but never heard addressed. Is a painted surface in any way an improvement over a store bought screen that warrants the time and money for the paint. And if it is, would the best thing be to paint the screen rather than trying to paint sheet rock or plywood? I watched this video last night very tired, so while I know you picked the best picture of the different paints, I'm not sure if you did mention whether they were better than just a standard store bought screen.
No, I can't think of any improvement of a painted surface over a fixed frame screen other than price. The problem with painting sheet rock or plywood is that you're limited by the 4ft height of sheet goods.
@@TheHookUp Agreed and getting a perfectly flat outcome with no noticeable mudding between the sheets is difficult unless you are a professional sheetrocker.
Straight to the point : Can you test under $5000 projectors on a screen with gain of 0.8 or 0.6. Many of these projectors are high lumens (3000+ lumens) and can hit 108nits required for HDR projection with the low gain screen.. Doing so improves low light performance and might be compatible with a JVC which peaks at 2300 lumens.
I got the Dolby HDR target (108nits) information from "Dolby Vision Cinema Targets & Trims - FAQs". I was surprised too. This could be the reason the Xgimi projector with sub 3000 lumen got Dolby Vision certification. I've gone through quite a few white papers. SMPTE and ISO specify 48+/-10.2 nits for cinema and 48 +/-3.5 for review rooms for SDR. For cinemas, HDR is specified at 299.6 nits with min black level of 0.005 nits. (Ref. High dynamic range D-cinema addendum, v1.1, DCI, March 2023) Projection has tolerance of +/- 18 &30 for review room and cinema respectively. Cheers
what's your surround sound preference right now? also, have you seen the latest update for the formovie theater that adds vivid dolby vision improvements?
I have not seen that version of the FMT, no. Also, please don't stone me to death, I'm currently using a Sonos ARC, 2x Sonos Subs, and 2x Sonos ERA300s for rears. It's in my family room which is our main living space, so floor standing towers was not a great option.
It has higher peak brightness but the same black floor. If you like googleTV it might be worth getting over the original mars pro, but I would much rather use a streaming stick like the firetv max.
@@TheHookUp thx for response. How much higher peak brightness? I have already Google chromcast 4k. So thats why i asking :) Does keystone functions Works the same and the picture quality is not much different? (Beside higher brightness) It is price difference about 500$ in my country :/
Hi! I wanted to ask: do you think I could use the top dark room recomendation (the paint to screen one) to paint a roller blind? I have a big white roller that goes from floor to sealing that I currently use as a projector screen (I know it's not ideal, but with its blackout guards at each side it stays really rigid and works pretty well for us... But I'd love to optimize the image quality with something like this paint if it works). For context, my projector is a xgimi horizon pro :) Thank in advance for all the help!
If the blind is made out of something non-absorbent like PVC it will probably work. Otherwise it will probably get wrinkled and you'll lose picture quality.
Hey thanks for this video. Have you any idea what it's like to use these paints on a bare wall instead of a pvc screen ? Is it an entirely different animal?
Thanks, I've been told some crazy stuff like it'd take 10 hours of work to get a wall painted as you'd have to sand between each of 36 coatings , have you heard any of that talk?
@@FetterMuncher666 As with any finish work, you get what you put in. If you're looking for a professional quality result I could see 10 hours and 10-20 thinly sprayed coats being necessary, but most people won't do that.
how about the same test but with the motorized Floor Rising screens (ALR and not ALR)? Keep in mind that most rooms have white ceiling and no way to do anything to combat those reflected lights from the ceiling. My main use case is JMGO N1 Ultra.
JMGO N1 Ultra doesn't pair well with ALR screens in my experience. I've used it on the Vividstorm Obsidian Long Throw ALR and the laser speckle made it unwatchable.
Would love to see you review a Black Diamond screen from Screen Innovations. What do you think is the minimum amount of lumens you’d need if you’re using a low gain grey or black screen?
@@gx12 the issue is that a 5000L projector will be expensive and have a generally poor black floor whereas you could get a less expensive 2500L projector with a lower native black floor and end up with the same outcome.
We’re looking to make a projector video wall at my church. This application will have the lights on, but zero ambient light. With a 6,000 lumen projector would you go with C or H?
I am new to this whole thing and trying to build a dedicated home theatre with controlled light setup but after alot of research and your videos help I came to conclusion that Nexigo Aurora Pro is best in terms for dark room but overall Awol vision LTV 3500 Pro is best can you suggest between these as I'm gonna imprort one of these to India and for 150 inch Grey Alr 3d 4k screen and aslo gonna run a professional calibration plz help
As you said, get the 3500 if you will have ambient light issues, get the nexigo if your room is dark. Don't get a 150" screen since those are still produced with a seam in the middle. There are some 135" lenticular screens that don't have a seam these days.
Thanks for replying but the screen is custom made in india by my dealer with one piece alr screen. I just want to buy the best experience as I make it once and not gonna touch it for long time
Sounds like it's not going to be a UST screen then. You will have a bad experience if you are buying a traditional reflective gray ALR screen to use with a UST and will see significant hotspotting in the middle of the image.
It's UST and is custom made due to the curve nature of the screen to accommodate my room flaws and I just want the best experience. Not significantly curve just to reduce that non flat wall behind
I am working with a professional home theatre team they suggested to me a long throw projector sony es5000 but it doesn't have 3d and Plus my wife and brother are not that technical so need some thing most easy to work with
Mostly because those are not marketed as screen paints, but also because I ran out of screen real estate. I figure there are hundreds of different combos I could have tested so I had to stop somewhere.
I've been debating the black series edition for a few months. I emailed support a few times with no answer. Would this help for outdoor viewing in a gazebo with an epson home cinema 880?
really depends on where you are in the bulb lifecycle. If you are 0-500 hours and on normal brightness it should be plenty, if you are 500-1500 it will still probably be fine but not great, and if you're over 1500 it will probably be too dim.
hey mwright154 id stay clear of the black series edition i am one of his buyers and it was the worst experience ever it did not work with my benq 700sti it was dark as hell emailed him he threatened to sue me saying id tampered with it like am guna spend 100s of dollars on paint and tamper with it he runs to youtube an makes hrs on end videos slandering you i wud stay well clear
Nope, I bought two identical silver ticket 92" screens. Each paint had half a screen (front and back of the screen are identical material), once the initial painting was done I could flip and rotate the screens as needed to do testing.
@@TheHookUp inside, mate! I'm so stoked you replied! We need a solution that will drop down between the kitchen and the bed, IDEALLY, magnetically split in the middle! Depth of throw would be around 2150mm to 2250mm, viewing height of 1700mm. Open to mounting anywhere, be it upside down short throw or mounted to the rear doors. Please hit me up if you need photos; you're my boy, blue!
@the hookup. The black widow scren paint did not give me those results. And when i complained he threatened to sue me. And im not the only one. Did he know who he was sending the paint to? This gentleman has ripped off alot of people. With his claims. Have you tried complaining about the paint yo see how the purchase situation is with all these products? As for the serius c did you follow the instructions for application as technically iys not a paint?. Yhe projectors i ised for a black series pain were the optima cinemax p2. The optoma gt1080 and the ud51a by optoma and i got vastly squed images colour was way off. And it claims to be ALR. these things you didnt describe in your demonstration. Plus its his gunmetal grey trt one of his black paints. And do a test for white screens and black screens as the results will be different. I was just wondering if you followed the application instructions of the sirius c, and intoo of that how long were the paints stood for? These are all relevent and could scew the results somewhat i also notice the conteol sample you used was a white acreen and not a dark screen. Which could be one vairible. What matters is the viewing eesult like a pc could have the gighest speca but real world performance could vary vastly.
Can you give me more context on him threatening to sue? Did you email saying "I can't get the results I was expecting" and then he said "I'll sue you?". I really don't have any desire to enter the drama of the youtuber screen paint world, but as an outsider looking in it seems like all parties involved are being extremely petty and litigious. They were ordered using my personal email without any other contact, just as any consumer would buy them. I'm not surprised that your P2 performed poorly, as I mentioned, I really wouldn't recommend paint for a UST. The GT1080 and ud51a should have faired better. I did specifically describe ALR and mention that paints cannot be true ALR since they have no lensing effect.
Wait just to be clear. These paints are designed to paint a wall directly & use the wall as a screen right? Or are they designed to paint a projector screen? You ofc didn't paint a wall for obvious reasons.
Awesome video really appreciate the comparison, but would have loved to see how they compared to normal white/gray paint too... From the title I got the impression those would also be present in this comparison
In any case, I was wondering… Do you think I could use your top dark room recomendation (the paint to screen one) in a roller? I have a big white roller that goes from floor to sealing that I use as a screen (it has blackout guards at the sides so it stays really rigid and works good) and don’t have a wall I could use instead… And I was wondering if perhaps I could apply one of these paints to improve the performance of my proyector (an xgimi horizon 4k) on the roller surface
Pretty favorably. I think if you have a non-textured wall then projector screen paint is a 100% viable alternative to a fixed frame screen for standard throw projectors. There aren't many screens out there with gain lower than 0.4, so if you want one of the ones like E-H paint is pretty much your only option.
@@TheHookUp Customer reviews, including my own experience. It's absolutely over priced and doesn't give better result that cheap average paint. So my guess is they sponsor you?
@@AdrianoZanetti As stated very explicitly in the video, no, it is not sponsored. When you say "based on your own experience", did you test many different brands?
There is so much wrong with this review i think it should be removed! Prices recalculated to gallon prices are questionable. I dont think you bought that black series edition paint for 72 dollars a quart! If you used only 2 92inch screens for this test you painted screen paint over screen paint and everybody knows the thickness of the coating on the origional screen will affect the reflection capabilities of the screen paint. So if you did paint screen paint over screen paint your affecting how the product works. Not fair in my view. Also partay's paint is not recommended for ust projectors so doing a demo on that is also not fair in my view. And yes Partay was right in his comment : why didn't you buy the black paint from black series edition? That his prime and most important product, heck he doesn't even sell Gunmetal paint anymore! And then put the lightest black series product against the darkest Partay product is really questionable! Not showing the painting of the paints is a real red flag for me too. It looks like you wanted to do this review but actually know nothing about screen paints or even read the specifications of the paints. For example : you can't put 4 coats of a paint on a screen if the seller says : 1 coat application. If it doesn't cover in 1 coat then the seller is questionable and lying about his product. Lastly i hope you got permission from Partay to do this review, because his product can only be reviewed with his permission. You agreed to those terms and conditions when you bought the paint. For personal use only! RUclips review without permission not allowed! So if you did not get permission from Partay to do this review your liable for a lawsuit. So i guess you should remove this video if you didn't get permission from Partay to do this, because there could be a lawsuit comming. You agreed to the terms and conditions when you bought his paint. Lastly your talking like you can calibrate out color in-accuracy? That's crazy talk to me. Jsut remove this review it's worthless and gives a wrong impressions of the "companies" selling these paints. It also is a kick in the face of all the people that got scammed by black series edition and were unhappy with his product! You promoting this stuff as being the best for ambient light environments is really harmfull to the projector community and will lead to more unsatisfied black series edition customers. So I'm asking you nicely : remove this video!
I used the front and back of two 92" screens, the material is identical PVC on the front and back. No paints were painted over. If a paint specified a method for painting (priming, thin coats, 3/8" nap microfiber rollers, etc) then that was followed. Calibrating out white balance errors is extremely common, and even relatively inexpensive projectors have 11 point white balance now, though I would imagine the error could even be corrected with a standard 2 point gain and offset correction.
@@TheHookUpyou were misleading with Partay’s product and used several projectors that should not qualify on it… from the recommend lumens range or type of projector… and some paints you gave little to know extra input on… I can tell you spent little to no time with each of these products, you showed little variety in demonstration videos… it was a Shabby job brother… whoever got you to do this had an agenda OR you were not on your game when doing research period. Either way it shows. Yes calibration techniques can improve certain aspects but again I ask… how can something be more accurate in two areas you noted and cheaper ( which should be a major part on the conversation when talking about DIY anything ) but be worse? Doesn’t make sense dude hands down. And you didn’t point out any of the discrepancies during the video either that conflicted with some of these specs.. so either you didn’t read them OR you intentionally misled your viewers. You could have done a whole series going in depth with each product showing a wide range of content, angles, and still calibrated for each score individually…. But you rushed… and it shows. Shame on you, not just for partay but for the others as well.
6 projectors (7 if you count the L1100U), on tensioned screens painted to specification, in a light controlled room, shot with professional video equipment, measured with professional calibration gear... definitely lazy and rushed on my part, you're right.
"You agreed to those terms and conditions when you bought the paint. For personal use only! RUclips review without permission not allowed! So if you did not get permission from Partay to do this review your liable for a lawsuit." "Consumer Review Fairness Act: The Consumer Review Fairness Act (CRFA) protects people’s ability to share their honest opinions about a business’s products, services, or conduct, in any forum, including social media." Good luck with that.
We all know his wife is the real mvp of the channel. Imagine having such an amazing person who is equally into your hobby as you are. What a lucky man!
This guy makes videos about stuff I’ve wondered about, but does all the hard work! Thank you for all your effort 👏🏻
Yepp I admire him so much. I want him to be the head of highest Govt. statistical department.
I even want him to start car reviews. He can point out minute details like AC effectiveness and sound isolation of the car cabin etc in numerical terms which no one else states.
@@green_life7 😅😂💯👍
Rob, I'm continually impressed with how well you quantify what truly are qualitative and subjective data. Also, major kudos for doing the tests fully blind and unbiased, and even going as far as having your wife do the painting. Your experience as a science teacher serves you well here!
That said, I'm more of a TV guy than a projector guy, but your insight is always interesting, insightful, and informative (bonus points for alliteration).
Thanks for doing what you do 👍
Thanks!
Please extend our appreciation to your wife for the amazing help with painting the screen.
Impeccable timing. Just bought a projector on Prime Day and was just looking into this.
In terms of reviews, the duo of The Hook Up and Project Farm is unstoppable!! Thanks!
I got hooked up!
Really appreciate the effort you put in your videos.Thanks
Before even seeing this video, it reminds me of the wayyy overprized Monster speaker cable scam that cost 30 times the price than plain lamp cable that you get from The Home Despot. Even the so-called "audiophiles" couldn't tell lamp wire from the fancy Monster speaker cable. But the Monster cable had very nice plastic covering.
I was surprised by the results. White paint is white, but the lower gain screens benefitted from a projector specific formula.
I saw a test where they used audiophile cable vrs a metal coat hanger.......same results hahahaha
Fantastic comparison review Rob! Thanks! awkwardly, I do not have a projector, nor do I foresee buying one, but watched this anyway because of the quality of your work!
Great review!
Wife assist for the blind review. Just when I thought there wasn’t any water left in the review rock you’re squeezing...
Head and shoulders thee best reviewer on YT and it isn’t very close. Hats off!
I love your testing methods.
Thank you for your detailed reviews
Ive been looking forward to seeing a legit comparison of this! So well done! Love this channel
Incredibly thorough testing. Kudos to you and your wife for this work!
Wow. So much effort... When I wanted to paint a wall for projection, I simply went to Home Depot, got a color chart of whites, brought it home, and projected against them. Then I got samples of the best three paints, and two extra of one so as to have eggshell, flat, and semi gloss examples. I picked the best looking paint, got a gallon, and that was that.
What did you end up choosing and why?
Would also be interested in what paint colour you chose.
absolutely amazing Rob, really appreciate your work
What an awesome, comprehensive comparison. HATS OFF, SIR ! :)
thanks! I've been waiting for a while for a review on this!
Appreciate the amount of effort it took to make this video, great review as always
Amazing work as always.
Your (and your wife!) efforts are greatly appreciated!
Good lord the amount of work to make such a video. Bravo and thank you !
Incredible video, non stop pertinent data just flying right at you.
I'm going with the Behr Dead Flat lol!
I've been using Screen Goo for the last 20years or so. Film, TV, concerts, airport & museum exhibits. Wouldn't think of another brand!
Yeah, Goo Systems is who i went with for my basement. I just posed the question as a standalone comment as to why their product wasn't included in this review. Seems like an obvious omission. It's price is not out of line with the other products tested. And Robert hasn't shied away in the past from expensive items in his comparos.
But how's Screen Goo's black depth and peak white compare to regular matte white? Have you compared?
Thank you and great review 👍
Hero is back with a bang... Great content.. good explanation..
Great video! I only have the $70 Happrun projector (from your recommendation) so spending money on the expensive paints would not make sense for me, but this video still helped me. I'm projecting onto a regular white wall, and the section where you mentioned reflected light from adjacent walls washing out the picture made me realize that I can probably improve my picture by finding some cheap way to cover my adjacent white walls with something black
Good job and great review, greatly appreciated. Proof is in the pudding. They just need to accept and take the L. Now let's see if they still keep the "advertised" .8-.85 gain.
Honestly, out of all the test paints considering the price I’d probably go with the Behr anyway. To the layman it just looks better in all the side by side. And if you really cared that much about image quality I would just pay for an 85”+ tv and still come out ahead.
True, if you're not at all concerned with black levels and contrast the Behr is a great option. As far as the 85" TV, you'd be surprised how much larger a 120" screen is than 85", let alone 150".
The Behr i300 looking mighty good here. Black out your room from reflections. Calibrate it so the slightly higher red gains not being as high. And muah.
For sure, if white is what you are after then screen specific paint doesn't make much sense. At lower gains it seems like the real screen paints are better though.
Thank god. I’ve been waiting for a definitive answer on this for so long!
Arguably the UST also shouldn't be used with a non-ALR screen at all, due to the angle it hits the screen with. If you don't have ALR, it bounces insane quantities of light into the ceiling. Very interesting comparo, not that relevant for me at this time but still quite interesting and well done.
Yep, I think I hammered that point home more than a few times in the video.
This video is incredibly useful for anyone considering projector screen paints. By testing 8 different paints, it provides a clear comparison between high-cost projector screen paints and regular paint options. The findings help viewers make informed decisions on whether the extra expense is justified. Highly recommended for those looking to optimize their home theater setup without overspending!
What a review! I am amazed!😮
Great professional review.
Did in mention that Your reviews are extremely well done and helpful?
They are.
Thanks!
Man....this is exactly the video i needed. Thanks man.
It's probably safe to say that some of these paint formulas were intended to be sprayed on and not roller applied to avoid the streaking. If those that showed streaking can be applied by spraying and retested without the streaks?
Spraying indoors in a finished room is a pretty difficult task. I have no doubt that every paint would look better sprayed, but I don't think it's a realistic ask in most cases.
Great video! Question though - is it worth painting or just buying an inexpensive gray screen? Is there anything special about the paint - or is it just the color? I had a projector since 2005, and build and painted a screen at the time with some fancy paint, and later replaced it with just a cheap white screen that was larger - and I really didn't notice much of a difference. The cheap screen didn't reflect as much light, for sure, but also the black levels were slightly better (although the projectors then were pretty dim so black levels were less of an issue). Anyways, if you happen to see this and have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them.
I think a decent screen ($300-500 silver ticket) would accomplish something similar. Cheaper screens tend to be pretty garbage unless you're just looking for 1.1gain white.
@@TheHookUp Thank you! That's exactly what I was wondering about.
Great review I completely agree with this video keep up the good work sir.
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Me and my mate get SO hyped every time a new projector video from THU drops. Would you recommend any of these paints over a proper screen (non ALR)
I was hoping this would include the use of a clear reflective paint, which could be used for something like house projection mapping without affecting the appearance of the house. The base surface would obviously make a difference though.
Very informative video though as always!
Generally speaking the more reflective a paint is the more issues you'll have with hotspotting and laser speckle, matte screens are usually better for uniformity.
Amazing idea of testing and great work, congratulation. For my setup, i just buy a cheap mate white paint. It work perfectly and i saved a lot of money. But i know i should be an heretic for some people 😄
Great video. Id love to see a comparison of those DIY paint mixes you find on Reddit and such. Can you mix cheaper store bought paint and get good results?
Admittedly, I didn't know about the popular "Silver Fire" paint before I posted this, otherwise I would have included it.
Clever getting your wife to do the grunt work! :)
Thanks for this tip. "I" will be testing what paint is best for my house this weekend. ;)
I've been waiting for you to perform a comparison of screen paint. What was the reason for not including Goo Systems products? In my completely light-controlled basement theater, I've been very happy with their recommended Screen Goo Acrylic Premier Primer and Goo 2.0 Reference White.
Fantastic stuff! Thanks so much for your hard work! Now, all I need is a review of the Vidda C2 Ultra…
As soon as it gets a global release I’m on it.
@@TheHookUp You're the best!
I've used Roscoe TV White, which is a low cost .6 gain gray paint formulated for video use. It works well.
I appreciate your time and honest review. I am curious why you chose the darkest coating we make to put up against competitors lighter coatings. I would also question why you would choose the lightest paint LLC sells when he "specializes" in black. And lastly, it sounds like this could have been queued up by Robbie 😊
I basically went to the respective youtube channels, found what seemed like the most recent video with what was supposed to be the "new best formula" and then purchased that formula through the website. These paints were purchased in early May.
@@TheHookUp Very good review, I was on the hunt a while ago for someone to do this review with proper tools to put an end to all these made up claims by the sellers, like their made up gain, which is false advertising and straight up lies.
The listed gains were really confusing to me, not sure how they came up with them.
@@TheHookUp They just wrote a number down that looks good. They don't have the tools or equipment to properly spec their product. Just a local home depot and some paint supplies.
Thanks so much for all of your amazingly detailed videos.
This will sound stupid but how functional (or insane) would it be to buy a drop down screen to just paint? Will the result just be a complete mess? Or could someone hope ot get a budget (though not the same) ALR screen with something like the S1 or Black Widow?
I put the black widow on my outdoor roll up screen: x.com/TheHookUp1/status/1811827444715847684
It is holding up well so far, I'll post on twitter if and when it sticks/falls apart/flakes. The FL heat is pretty brutal on everything.
I would stay away from the "Black Widow" paint. Sometimes it works but mostly it doesn't when the buyer isn't happy he lies and treats the unhappy buyer with lawsuits and all kind of other stuff.
ruclips.net/video/-6NWDqqGQJY/видео.htmlsi=s88nAz2l4Z3Xf9bV I did a pull down on the black series paint I am using a Panasonic VMZ40 laser projector and it looks great
Great and interesting review. But the Imperial paint by black series edition is an outdated product since he changes every 2 months or so the name of his paint. I personally don't recommend black series edition because of how he treats his unhappy buyers. Black series is also staging most of his videos to make the samples look bad.
I don't know anything about the guy or his business practices other than the fact that his website is an abomination. I just bought all the paints and reviewed them blind.
@@TheHookUp ye he treats his customers terrible runs to youtube with hrs on end of slandering videos if u dont like his paint stages everything threatens to sue u just because you dont like his paint it looked awful on my benq 700sti everyone is best staying clear of black series edition
@@TheHookUp No worries about that. I think you did a great job with the review. He does have another site to order some paint but I know what you mean about his site. He ripped off a lot of customers and you could be happy that the paint you received was working. I saw some other stuff when it came to him.
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Fantastic! Just what I needed!! Thanks!
If I could had made a suggestion, it would be to do the overhead flashlight test against a true ALR screen and the paints that are claiming to be ALR to show that there is no way a paint can reject overhead light.
These would definitely not perform like a CLR lenticular screen does, but there are other types of ALR that would be theoretically possible in paints using reflective solids. Using crystalline solids that reflect light on the same axis the light is received is how most long throw ALR screens work (like the Vividstorm Obsidian Long Throw ALR for instance). The issue with using reflective solids is that it creates issues with hotspotting, "sparkling", and more recently we're learning that it greatly exacerbates laser speckle.
The hook up is the best💪 keep it up
Dope as always. But what’s up with that 6000 lumen Epson? Any reviews on that one? Interested in input lag, motion, and contrast.
I bought it off ebay for my upcoming video on golf simulator projectors.
Great video , I wanted to ask , where would you rate a half decent paint job on a bare wall against the screens out there? As good as a mid range screen ? Or only just as good as a budget screen?
A good paint job (thinned paint, prepped wall, 15+ coats), is as good as any screen. A decent/mediocre paint job is probably equivalent to a budget screen.
A couple of questions. I have the Nebula Mars 3, which was not tested and have a room that will have light at times from 4 windows. I'm assuming you won't use every screen when reviewing projectors going forward (or will you...?). is there a good rule of thumb on how to guess which of these is best for a given projector? Second, does this work as well on the wall as on the screen? Does the finish make much difference? Also, I was looking at the Paint on screen s1 ultimate on amazon they claim it's for areas with high ambient light, which I thought was interesting given your review showing how great it was with low light situations. Also, amazon has a paint rated better than the S1 ultra that could be worth a review (Digital image ultra white HD projector screen paint)
Thank you for this video, Rob. What about a Dangbei Mars 2 review? I saw you have it, but you didn't made any review. Thanks again
Yes, I have it. Waiting for the rest of the lifestyle projectors for 2024 to be released.
@@TheHookUp I saw in comments that you scheduled that for 11th of October and I just can't wait to see it. Thanks! But... I don't think I'll resist with the Mars 2 in the Amazon cart so long 🙏. God help me! 😅
Hi Rob, have you got the chance to get your hands in a Vizony Projector? price quality seems reasonable but i would love to see your opinion on the matter since you are the expert for example Vizony SQ6
Can you do used projectors vs new projector video? The topic is board but maybe old projectors like Benq HT2050/Epson 1060/80 and Benq W1070 deserve another look 😁
Unfortunately, that video would be nearly worthless. When buying used it's all about luck and depends entirely on how well the projector was treated in its past life.
Saw this video and was interested to know what the results were. Got excited when you mentioned triple lasers and saw a JMGO projector like mine. However you did not even use it. Now what do I compare that to with your results?
? I used the JMGO to check laser speckle, near the end of the video.
Hi,
In the description you have stated that you are using Dangbei DBOX02 (Mars Pro 2) for testing.
Can you do a review of that model compared to Formovie X5, please.
I am thinking about choosing one of them but I am not sure. I suspect that Mars 2 has more useful options and X5 has better image and brightness. I hope you will manage to make this video, thank you.
That video is scheduled for October 11th and will have all the latest lifestyle projectors.
@@TheHookUp Thank you for your reply. For me, 2 months is a bit too long to wait and I'll have to choose something myself. I'm tempted by the 3D support option in Mars 2 but the image quality, brightness and contrast in X5 is probably a much better choice. In any case, I'll definitely watch your comparison once you publish it, thanks.
Hi, when will you publish the video that was supposed to be on October 11th, please?
Im like two minutes in and I cant wait to see how the $250 deli container paints do.
Hey, Rob. Here's a question I've always wondered about, but never heard addressed. Is a painted surface in any way an improvement over a store bought screen that warrants the time and money for the paint. And if it is, would the best thing be to paint the screen rather than trying to paint sheet rock or plywood? I watched this video last night very tired, so while I know you picked the best picture of the different paints, I'm not sure if you did mention whether they were better than just a standard store bought screen.
No, I can't think of any improvement of a painted surface over a fixed frame screen other than price.
The problem with painting sheet rock or plywood is that you're limited by the 4ft height of sheet goods.
@@TheHookUp Agreed and getting a perfectly flat outcome with no noticeable mudding between the sheets is difficult unless you are a professional sheetrocker.
Straight to the point : Can you test under $5000 projectors on a screen with gain of 0.8 or 0.6. Many of these projectors are high lumens (3000+ lumens) and can hit 108nits required for HDR projection with the low gain screen.. Doing so improves low light performance and might be compatible with a JVC which peaks at 2300 lumens.
100nits is the threshold for SDR, not HDR.
I got the Dolby HDR target (108nits) information from "Dolby Vision Cinema Targets & Trims - FAQs". I was surprised too. This could be the reason the Xgimi projector with sub 3000 lumen got Dolby Vision certification. I've gone through quite a few white papers. SMPTE and ISO specify 48+/-10.2 nits for cinema and 48 +/-3.5 for review rooms for SDR. For cinemas, HDR is specified at 299.6 nits with min black level of 0.005 nits. (Ref. High dynamic range D-cinema addendum, v1.1, DCI, March 2023) Projection has tolerance of +/- 18 &30 for review room and cinema respectively. Cheers
I sense that you will doing the next lot of decorating required in the house, your wife has done enough 🤣🤣
what's your surround sound preference right now? also, have you seen the latest update for the formovie theater that adds vivid dolby vision improvements?
I have not seen that version of the FMT, no. Also, please don't stone me to death, I'm currently using a Sonos ARC, 2x Sonos Subs, and 2x Sonos ERA300s for rears. It's in my family room which is our main living space, so floor standing towers was not a great option.
Hi. Some test of mars pro 2? Or its the same projector that FIRST Mars pro? Maybe beter choice is to buy cheeper older and chromecast 4k?
It has higher peak brightness but the same black floor. If you like googleTV it might be worth getting over the original mars pro, but I would much rather use a streaming stick like the firetv max.
@@TheHookUp thx for response.
How much higher peak brightness?
I have already Google chromcast 4k.
So thats why i asking :)
Does keystone functions Works the same and the picture quality is not much different? (Beside higher brightness)
It is price difference about 500$ in my country :/
Partay Sirius C is black screen paint it look great and for the price even better.
Hi! I wanted to ask: do you think I could use the top dark room recomendation (the paint to screen one) to paint a roller blind? I have a big white roller that goes from floor to sealing that I currently use as a projector screen (I know it's not ideal, but with its blackout guards at each side it stays really rigid and works pretty well for us... But I'd love to optimize the image quality with something like this paint if it works). For context, my projector is a xgimi horizon pro :) Thank in advance for all the help!
If the blind is made out of something non-absorbent like PVC it will probably work. Otherwise it will probably get wrinkled and you'll lose picture quality.
@@TheHookUp thank you!
A shame you could not get a hold of some Silver Fire paint for this comparison. That one seems to be the king when it comes to screen paint.
Yep, definitely an error on my part. Sucks.
@@TheHookUp Could do a future follow up video or just add an updated comment to this video.
We'll see how this video performs.
Hey thanks for this video. Have you any idea what it's like to use these paints on a bare wall instead of a pvc screen ? Is it an entirely different animal?
Very similar with the one caveat being that the wall is likely not going to be as flat/perfect as a tensioned PVC screen.
Thanks, I've been told some crazy stuff like it'd take 10 hours of work to get a wall painted as you'd have to sand between each of 36 coatings , have you heard any of that talk?
@@FetterMuncher666 As with any finish work, you get what you put in. If you're looking for a professional quality result I could see 10 hours and 10-20 thinly sprayed coats being necessary, but most people won't do that.
how about the same test but with the motorized Floor Rising screens (ALR and not ALR)? Keep in mind that most rooms have white ceiling and no way to do anything to combat those reflected lights from the ceiling. My main use case is JMGO N1 Ultra.
JMGO N1 Ultra doesn't pair well with ALR screens in my experience. I've used it on the Vividstorm Obsidian Long Throw ALR and the laser speckle made it unwatchable.
Thanks Rob.
Would love to see you review a Black Diamond screen from Screen Innovations.
What do you think is the minimum amount of lumens you’d need if you’re using a low gain grey or black screen?
That’s a super loaded question. How many lumens do you need for a dark room? Ambient light? Sdr? Hdr? 3d? Screen size?
@@TheHookUp Let’s say 100 inches, HDR and 3D, no ambient light.
I'd say 4000-5000L, but I wouldn't recommend an ultra low gain black screen in a room with no ambient light.
@@TheHookUp The lowered black floor isn’t worth trading the colour accuracy or brightness?
@@gx12 the issue is that a 5000L projector will be expensive and have a generally poor black floor whereas you could get a less expensive 2500L projector with a lower native black floor and end up with the same outcome.
Surprised you haven't included the famous Screen Goo... or have you?
We’re looking to make a projector video wall at my church. This application will have the lights on, but zero ambient light. With a 6,000 lumen projector would you go with C or H?
C, black levels are not going to be particularly important in a church application.
@@TheHookUp awesome. Thank you so much for such a helpful video!
Does the Formovie Fresnal ALR screen work well with SHORT throw projectors like the benq or Dangbei?
It does not, only for USTs.
I am new to this whole thing and trying to build a dedicated home theatre with controlled light setup but after alot of research and your videos help I came to conclusion that Nexigo Aurora Pro is best in terms for dark room but overall Awol vision LTV 3500 Pro is best can you suggest between these as I'm gonna imprort one of these to India and for 150 inch Grey Alr 3d 4k screen and aslo gonna run a professional calibration plz help
As you said, get the 3500 if you will have ambient light issues, get the nexigo if your room is dark. Don't get a 150" screen since those are still produced with a seam in the middle. There are some 135" lenticular screens that don't have a seam these days.
Thanks for replying but the screen is custom made in india by my dealer with one piece alr screen. I just want to buy the best experience as I make it once and not gonna touch it for long time
Sounds like it's not going to be a UST screen then. You will have a bad experience if you are buying a traditional reflective gray ALR screen to use with a UST and will see significant hotspotting in the middle of the image.
It's UST and is custom made due to the curve nature of the screen to accommodate my room flaws and I just want the best experience. Not significantly curve just to reduce that non flat wall behind
I am working with a professional home theatre team they suggested to me a long throw projector sony es5000 but it doesn't have 3d and Plus my wife and brother are not that technical so need some thing most easy to work with
Why was there not a $22 a gal gray or black from bear to compare to?
Mostly because those are not marketed as screen paints, but also because I ran out of screen real estate. I figure there are hundreds of different combos I could have tested so I had to stop somewhere.
Which projector would you pick for a light controlled room? Epson ls1100 or nexigo?
what screen size, and what is your required viewing angle?
I've been debating the black series edition for a few months. I emailed support a few times with no answer. Would this help for outdoor viewing in a gazebo with an epson home cinema 880?
Here's what it looks like in daylight on my patio with a Dangbei Mars Pro: x.com/TheHookUp1/status/1811827444715847684
@@TheHookUp thanks! Mine is barely visible currently. Does the 880 put out enough light?
really depends on where you are in the bulb lifecycle. If you are 0-500 hours and on normal brightness it should be plenty, if you are 500-1500 it will still probably be fine but not great, and if you're over 1500 it will probably be too dim.
hey mwright154 id stay clear of the black series edition i am one of his buyers and it was the worst experience ever it did not work with my benq 700sti it was dark as hell emailed him he threatened to sue me saying id tampered with it like am guna spend 100s of dollars on paint and tamper with it he runs to youtube an makes hrs on end videos slandering you i wud stay well clear
That's the point though, it is dark. Anything under 0.5 gain is considered extremely dark, and this was under 0.15.
After the initial paint was applied, was each of the following paints applied over the previous paint(s)?
Nope, I bought two identical silver ticket 92" screens. Each paint had half a screen (front and back of the screen are identical material), once the initial painting was done I could flip and rotate the screens as needed to do testing.
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Hey bloke, I'm building a motorhome out of a removal truck. Any tips for projection? Money no concern.
projection inside or outside?
@@TheHookUp inside, mate! I'm so stoked you replied! We need a solution that will drop down between the kitchen and the bed, IDEALLY, magnetically split in the middle! Depth of throw would be around 2150mm to 2250mm, viewing height of 1700mm. Open to mounting anywhere, be it upside down short throw or mounted to the rear doors. Please hit me up if you need photos; you're my boy, blue!
@@TheHookUp inside, never outside. 8 Hours a day
@the hookup. The black widow scren paint did not give me those results. And when i complained he threatened to sue me. And im not the only one. Did he know who he was sending the paint to? This gentleman has ripped off alot of people. With his claims. Have you tried complaining about the paint yo see how the purchase situation is with all these products? As for the serius c did you follow the instructions for application as technically iys not a paint?. Yhe projectors i ised for a black series pain were the optima cinemax p2. The optoma gt1080 and the ud51a by optoma and i got vastly squed images colour was way off. And it claims to be ALR. these things you didnt describe in your demonstration. Plus its his gunmetal grey trt one of his black paints. And do a test for white screens and black screens as the results will be different. I was just wondering if you followed the application instructions of the sirius c, and intoo of that how long were the paints stood for? These are all relevent and could scew the results somewhat i also notice the conteol sample you used was a white acreen and not a dark screen. Which could be one vairible. What matters is the viewing eesult like a pc could have the gighest speca but real world performance could vary vastly.
Can you give me more context on him threatening to sue? Did you email saying "I can't get the results I was expecting" and then he said "I'll sue you?". I really don't have any desire to enter the drama of the youtuber screen paint world, but as an outsider looking in it seems like all parties involved are being extremely petty and litigious.
They were ordered using my personal email without any other contact, just as any consumer would buy them.
I'm not surprised that your P2 performed poorly, as I mentioned, I really wouldn't recommend paint for a UST. The GT1080 and ud51a should have faired better.
I did specifically describe ALR and mention that paints cannot be true ALR since they have no lensing effect.
Wait just to be clear. These paints are designed to paint a wall directly & use the wall as a screen right? Or are they designed to paint a projector screen?
You ofc didn't paint a wall for obvious reasons.
I think it's pretty 50/50 as far is whether people paint a wall or make a screen and paint it with these paints.
Brother benq new projector has arrived and it is about to slay your jvc and all other best projectors, try it
Which new BENQ are you referring to?
@@TheHookUp w5800 sir
Why do B & C look almost identical, given the significant difference in gain & peak brightness as shown at 4:50 ?
In person and when viewing content they are not that similar. B is a white screen while C is gray.
@@TheHookUp Ok. So how much deeper is the black level on C? Say 10% ?
Are these good paints for ust projector and Which one u recommend the best
As mentioned a few times in this video, I would not recommend paint for a UST screen. Get a proper lenticular or fresnel screen.
If it comes to screen paint maybe give this one "PARTAY! POLARIS UST (PSP)" a try if you like to go the screen paint way since it is only 60$.
What is the video clip you use on your projectors please.
"LG's The Black"
Awesome video really appreciate the comparison, but would have loved to see how they compared to normal white/gray paint too... From the title I got the impression those would also be present in this comparison
Behr dead flat is in there, as well as the recommended home depot gray variety.
@@TheHookUp sorry about that, jumped through the video I little I’ll revise
In any case, I was wondering… Do you think I could use your top dark room recomendation (the paint to screen one) in a roller? I have a big white roller that goes from floor to sealing that I use as a screen (it has blackout guards at the sides so it stays really rigid and works good) and don’t have a wall I could use instead… And I was wondering if perhaps I could apply one of these paints to improve the performance of my proyector (an xgimi horizon 4k) on the roller surface
How did these compare to screens?
Pretty favorably. I think if you have a non-textured wall then projector screen paint is a 100% viable alternative to a fixed frame screen for standard throw projectors. There aren't many screens out there with gain lower than 0.4, so if you want one of the ones like E-H paint is pretty much your only option.
Also have to think about the time, labour, and cost for both types.
Offcourse it is better! But not 200 bucks difference better...
Crows dark silver Cinemax and partay Sirius C is the two best
Sirius C was in the video.
@@TheHookUpthis paint paired with my jmgo n1s ultra is close to perfect in lighted and dark room
I'm happy you're happy!
Imagine pay 300 dls and see marks all over the screen
Paint on Screen has a few screens that they designate as "Spray on only", but the Black Screen Surface is not one of them. I think it should be.
Stay away from black series edition he claims oled like tv and contast shifting technology and ect all lies. Overprice
Crows dark silver and partay Sirius C is the two best
Partay Sirius C it actually black screen paint not grey.
Hone despot paint sucks...
Except paint on screen is rubbish. GOod try ;)
What are you basing that information off of? Blind test and data shows otherwise.
@@TheHookUp Customer reviews, including my own experience. It's absolutely over priced and doesn't give better result that cheap average paint. So my guess is they sponsor you?
@@AdrianoZanetti As stated very explicitly in the video, no, it is not sponsored. When you say "based on your own experience", did you test many different brands?
There is so much wrong with this review i think it should be removed! Prices recalculated to gallon prices are questionable. I dont think you bought that black series edition paint for 72 dollars a quart! If you used only 2 92inch screens for this test you painted screen paint over screen paint and everybody knows the thickness of the coating on the origional screen will affect the reflection capabilities of the screen paint. So if you did paint screen paint over screen paint your affecting how the product works. Not fair in my view. Also partay's paint is not recommended for ust projectors so doing a demo on that is also not fair in my view. And yes Partay was right in his comment : why didn't you buy the black paint from black series edition? That his prime and most important product, heck he doesn't even sell Gunmetal paint anymore! And then put the lightest black series product against the darkest Partay product is really questionable! Not showing the painting of the paints is a real red flag for me too. It looks like you wanted to do this review but actually know nothing about screen paints or even read the specifications of the paints. For example : you can't put 4 coats of a paint on a screen if the seller says : 1 coat application. If it doesn't cover in 1 coat then the seller is questionable and lying about his product. Lastly i hope you got permission from Partay to do this review, because his product can only be reviewed with his permission. You agreed to those terms and conditions when you bought the paint. For personal use only! RUclips review without permission not allowed! So if you did not get permission from Partay to do this review your liable for a lawsuit. So i guess you should remove this video if you didn't get permission from Partay to do this, because there could be a lawsuit comming. You agreed to the terms and conditions when you bought his paint. Lastly your talking like you can calibrate out color in-accuracy? That's crazy talk to me. Jsut remove this review it's worthless and gives a wrong impressions of the "companies" selling these paints. It also is a kick in the face of all the people that got scammed by black series edition and were unhappy with his product! You promoting this stuff as being the best for ambient light environments is really harmfull to the projector community and will lead to more unsatisfied black series edition customers. So I'm asking you nicely : remove this video!
There is so much in that comment i think it should be edited!
I'm asking you nicely : add paragraph breaks
I used the front and back of two 92" screens, the material is identical PVC on the front and back. No paints were painted over. If a paint specified a method for painting (priming, thin coats, 3/8" nap microfiber rollers, etc) then that was followed.
Calibrating out white balance errors is extremely common, and even relatively inexpensive projectors have 11 point white balance now, though I would imagine the error could even be corrected with a standard 2 point gain and offset correction.
@@TheHookUpyou were misleading with Partay’s product and used several projectors that should not qualify on it… from the recommend lumens range or type of projector… and some paints you gave little to know extra input on… I can tell you spent little to no time with each of these products, you showed little variety in demonstration videos… it was a Shabby job brother… whoever got you to do this had an agenda OR you were not on your game when doing research period. Either way it shows.
Yes calibration techniques can improve certain aspects but again I ask… how can something be more accurate in two areas you noted and cheaper ( which should be a major part on the conversation when talking about DIY anything ) but be worse? Doesn’t make sense dude hands down.
And you didn’t point out any of the discrepancies during the video either that conflicted with some of these specs.. so either you didn’t read them OR you intentionally misled your viewers.
You could have done a whole series going in depth with each product showing a wide range of content, angles, and still calibrated for each score individually…. But you rushed… and it shows.
Shame on you, not just for partay but for the others as well.
6 projectors (7 if you count the L1100U), on tensioned screens painted to specification, in a light controlled room, shot with professional video equipment, measured with professional calibration gear... definitely lazy and rushed on my part, you're right.
"You agreed to those terms and conditions when you bought the paint. For personal use only! RUclips review without permission not allowed! So if you did not get permission from Partay to do this review your liable for a lawsuit."
"Consumer Review Fairness Act: The Consumer Review Fairness Act (CRFA) protects people’s ability to share their honest opinions about a business’s products, services, or conduct, in any forum, including social media."
Good luck with that.
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