Building the "Mini" | Crossover Assembly!

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  • @jimspc07
    @jimspc07 6 месяцев назад +3

    After over 50 years in IT, much of it in hardware I will say your soldering and your accompanying dialogue including the resisters can take the heat better than the caps, and I'll clean that up after on one occasion, was the best I have seen on RUclips.
    Such a very pleasant change after the cowboys with their never ever cleaned iron tips and failing to use a bit of solder on the iron to get started and not bothering to let it heat up, then creating dry joints by various means such as lack of heat or solder. or the opposite with solder all over the place in globules. Some even using those funny bent wire resistance thingies to solder in places that damage anything near the part to be soldered, I saw one youtuber "fixing" components on a densely populated SMT area of board with one the other day and needing to realign many components near the one he thought he was targeting. Thank you for showing that there are real solder capable people on youtube.

    • @Herman-f9m
      @Herman-f9m Месяц назад

      @jimspc07 Thanks for your insights as well. Between you and Danny I've learned a lot.

  • @lawrenceseddon
    @lawrenceseddon 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Danny for sharing,for someone who has done this for many years, you still enjoy doing what you do,it shows just love watching your videos

  • @Herman-f9m
    @Herman-f9m Месяц назад

    I never use metal screws to install crossovers. I drill the screw holes through four boards -- two crossover boards and two mounting boards. I countersink the holes in a pair of bards. I stuff 1/4" diameter nylon flathead screws (1" to 2" long depending on what I need) through the holes and hold the screws in place with nylon nuts. Effectively I make a mounting board with studs sticking out.
    Once I have the mounting boards made I bond them to the inside of the box. When it comes time to install the crossovers I slide them over the the nylon studs/screws, add some nylon washers and nuts as needed to hold the whole thing in place. I don't need to worry about affecting the impedance of the coils. Or I can assemble the crossovers to the studs and mounting board, and bond the whole assembly to the inside of the box. In either case it's easy to remove the crossover if I ever need to.
    I've done this for years, and even come back 30 years later, and everything looks brand new. This works for circuit boards or point-to-point boards like the ones Danny makes here.

  • @iliascharis5668
    @iliascharis5668 3 года назад +8

    I loved the little detail with the screw in the middle of the coil and the inductance slight rise...

  • @merlecrandall1709
    @merlecrandall1709 3 года назад +12

    This video helps the less confident be more confident in wanting to be able think about building a speaker. Thank you

  • @cjtsn466
    @cjtsn466 2 года назад

    Thank you thank you thank you.You have no idea how addicting your channel is.You thought me so much about speaker building.Years sgo I got in touch with you about your kit and you were so helpful.Thank you for everything.I really appreciate you.

  • @BostonMike68
    @BostonMike68 Год назад

    That video helped me alot on my first crossover. I was so intimidated and know it's like tie-in my shoes. Thanks Danny I learned a lot of watching your videos and I appreciate you taking your time teaching us newbies

  • @arcyoon
    @arcyoon 7 месяцев назад

    Look at those pretty red coils!😊

  • @rickg8015
    @rickg8015 3 года назад +1

    Danny.. That steady hand on the huge soldering gun is impressive without your elbow or forearm being supported by the work bench..

  • @margokona247
    @margokona247 3 года назад +4

    a fantastic demonstration of how to build a crossover

  • @djhaloeight
    @djhaloeight 2 года назад

    Just got a mini kit for Christmas. Looking forward to assembling it!

  • @MediOak
    @MediOak 3 года назад +3

    a topdown camera shot would rock ;)

  • @honeybadgersolutions2221
    @honeybadgersolutions2221 3 года назад +2

    This is exactly what was needed. The video answers so many questions that I have had. I appreciate that you have done the trial and error and are willing to share this refined procedure.

  • @greggcheap6208
    @greggcheap6208 3 года назад +2

    Hey! Everybody!

  • @securityvlogger6825
    @securityvlogger6825 3 года назад +1

    Danny. Damn you. Now I’ve got to spend my allowance again!!!

  • @davidtomsett
    @davidtomsett 3 года назад

    Loving the worked patina of your workbench!

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      That is actually a special desk. It once belonged to Gary Dodd. Some of the best sounding and most beautiful tube amps and pre-amps ever made were built on that desk, and a few Honda racing engines. :-)

    • @davidtomsett
      @davidtomsett 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 History like that is precious, thanks for reaching out back to me.

  • @weeooh1
    @weeooh1 3 года назад +2

    Love this channel. I just want some major reviewer to check these out and compare them to $1000+ speakers to see how they fare.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      They will beat up on most of them pretty badly.

  • @glengatt3941
    @glengatt3941 2 года назад

    That's it really think you are a crossover guru!! wish I know how to do those

  • @jeffstewart395
    @jeffstewart395 3 года назад

    Informative and Helpful, Thanks. Although I have to say, soldering in shorts seems concerning.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      If I would have dropped a little solder on my leg it would not have been the first time. I am pretty good with it though. That vary rarely happens.

  • @Finn-McCool
    @Finn-McCool 3 года назад +2

    It's fun to see in this video that you are "in your element" and it shows. Thanks for showing us that it's easy once you see it done!
    I hope that this jump-starts a ton of sales. Because, like they say..."the first one is always free" 😆

    • @randymelton1880
      @randymelton1880 2 года назад

      👊turn this sideways and work a nice twisting motion on your👃

  • @avro66
    @avro66 3 года назад +2

    Hi Danny, great chanel. Can I purchase your kits in the UK or would it be to expensive to ship to the UK.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      We ship kits there all the time. This one would be a little pricey due to the weight of the flat pack.

  • @tomy2988
    @tomy2988 3 года назад +4

    Let the hair flow Danny

  • @CoquiAudio
    @CoquiAudio 3 года назад

    I PCB design for that would look amazing I bet that

  • @kenthomas1613
    @kenthomas1613 3 года назад +1

    Love the videos Danny!

  • @jeffkalina7727
    @jeffkalina7727 3 года назад

    Well done video. Thanks!

  • @dkedavid
    @dkedavid 3 года назад

    Great video - thank you

  • @christopherwilson6825
    @christopherwilson6825 2 года назад +1

    This is and awesome video !!! Thank you for educating us on build these crossovers. This is definitely a project that will have me doing it just because.. if you want to do a 2.5 way the same way that Polk audio does it for there monitor 70 series 2s , how would you do that ? that's where I'm confused at . Is there a way you can do a video please on how to make a crossover for a 2.5 way ? Great videos keep them going .👍

  • @sgtjosozo
    @sgtjosozo 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic video Danny, thank you so much for making it look easy!

  • @martybousum1010
    @martybousum1010 3 года назад

    Great job Sensei!

  • @hlurpseed
    @hlurpseed 3 года назад +5

    I’m pretty sure I already know the answer, but... does solder interfere in anyway with the signal path?

    • @jkmsaturn
      @jkmsaturn 3 года назад +2

      You forgot to say 'Asking for a friend . . .'

    • @hoth2112
      @hoth2112 3 года назад

      So long as you give the leads a good, proper twist before soldering, it wont affect the sound quality.

  • @ryane.deyette9409
    @ryane.deyette9409 3 года назад

    This was a genius idea! You filled that void for those of us who have never done anything like this. I'll be getting one version soon. thanks

  • @nicolasnicolas3889
    @nicolasnicolas3889 2 года назад

    Thanks for this video Bro, top man! I paid a small amount for a course in crossover design but it didn't really cover the building mainly the technical, it taught me a lot but not so much how to put these things together from a schematic, thanks again for this, I can buy my parts now and get on with it!

    • @BostonMike68
      @BostonMike68 Год назад

      I was wondering where you found that course. I just spent a month watching u tube videos and I finally figured out a crossover for my design but I would like to know more

  • @joseph-ow1hf
    @joseph-ow1hf Год назад

    Another one of my stupid questions. Can you secure parts to board w/ hot glue?

  • @RealHIFIHelp
    @RealHIFIHelp 3 года назад +1

    Hmm very interesting. Thanks.

  • @wayneg1197
    @wayneg1197 3 года назад

    I am waiting for my kit and these videos are awesome. I like that you painted over the DeraTex. The blue looks nice. I did go for the fancy caps so one less thing to solder lol. Is there enough room for T-nuts? I have had problems with mdf stripping the screw holes. I think I will try to find someone with a router near me to round over the sides on front baffle. I like that look. Thanks Danny for doing this. The DIY 16 strand speaker cables will be next.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      The screws that come with it are fine for the MDF. No stripping issues at all.

  • @pliedtka
    @pliedtka 3 года назад +2

    The only problem: if I want change something in the future, say pad the tweeter down I'll be screwed with the 'lead twister' approach. Soldering the leads to tag strip connector the way Troels does his crossovers would be better but more costly.

    • @rickg8015
      @rickg8015 3 года назад

      I won’t twist ‘em too tight so you could still untwist after desoldering if you plan to make changes..

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      Actually those tag strips degrade the signal quality quite a bit. I don't recommend them.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 3 года назад +1

      @@DougMen1 All it takes is to add two resistors, termination impedance will not change much. It's called an L pad, one resistor in series, one in parallel.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 3 года назад +1

      ... or use a strand of thin sacrificial wire, hold the leads together and tightly wrap the wire around to keep them in place. If you're making amends, wick/desoldering gun, cut through the wrap and everything pulls apart nicely.

  • @willyhaug549
    @willyhaug549 5 месяцев назад

    Hi, have some "Rauna Ymer" speakers made of concrete from the 80s (Sweden - Bo Hansson) where I want to update the crossover and maybe even get better sound (although i love them), and the question is when you want to use a mix of 2 capacitors in parallel (economical + space) where one is of good quality and the smallest percentage is of superior quality, how much % should the smallest contribute to for optimal sound/ price effect. Ex. tot 10uF where one is at 8.2 and the best at 1.8uF? Thinking of using Jantzen Cross Cap or Jantzen Standard Z-cap as the large and Jantzen Superior Z-Cap as the smallest? Has education in electronics, so it help's

  • @wiebl5266
    @wiebl5266 Год назад

    can this speaker be used for a small room as a traditional bookshelf speaker--2 channel listening (i.e., not desktop)?

  • @ahmadieb
    @ahmadieb 3 года назад +1

    How do you mount crossover board to speaker cabinet? Should not you make holes before assembling cabinet?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      With a silver marker, I mark the spots for the screws that are used to hold it down.

  • @greenbeginner3353
    @greenbeginner3353 3 года назад +1

    Could you show the network step by step with what you are doing? In the video you flash the paper up from time to time and then set it off screen and move ahead too fast. If you could pause and explain how the paper correlates to the parts, that would be helpful as well.

    • @randymelton1880
      @randymelton1880 2 года назад

      Yeah Danny how about slowing down some. You forget you’re an expert and done a million but for me and many of us this is our FIRST.

  • @flyingjeff1984
    @flyingjeff1984 3 года назад

    Danny, why aren't brass screws the choice over steel? I mean, this is a premium product.

  • @rikardekvall3433
    @rikardekvall3433 3 года назад

    Great video, as usually. But this time MUCH better. You got yourself a new video camera! Really good. Clarity and focus! Good lighting and depth. Keep up the good work. It does pay of in the end.👍

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      All because Ron at New Record Day came over and helped film it.

    • @rikardekvall3433
      @rikardekvall3433 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 Neh! We know you got some good stuff and why not a camera upgrade! 😉 feel no pressure 😀. In this shoot you looked like you were about to giggle…. Ron making faces? 👍

  • @sumguysr
    @sumguysr 3 года назад

    Danny, is there any point in using a damping compound like blutak?

  • @hrvojekant9415
    @hrvojekant9415 3 года назад +2

    Very useful !
    "Step by step" ... excellent demonstration !

  • @VMX1.
    @VMX1. 3 года назад +1

    very nice

  • @joesharkey1021
    @joesharkey1021 3 года назад

    Looks good.
    As you have seperate filters for bass and tweeter, do you think there'd be any benefit by putting crossover in a box close to amp and bi-wiring to loudspeaker?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      That would actually be a bad idea. That doubles the speaker cable runs and with budget cables it will increase the RF noise levels.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 3 года назад

      @@DougMen1 Quite to the contrary in my experience, thinner solid core pure silver in cotton goes well with tweeters, while thicker silver plated stranded copper in PTFE suits low-mid drivers better. Simply low capacitance and inductance work miracles for HF, while low resistance is essential for LMF. Both tightly twisted and wrapped in layers, of course.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 About 10R non-inductive in series with 47n and parallel to speaker terminals usually does away with RF at speakers end, if living next to a radio broadcaster.

  • @JClay-lf7nx
    @JClay-lf7nx 3 года назад +2

    How would these work as near field, home studio monitors?

    • @02honeydew
      @02honeydew 3 года назад +1

      That's what these are for I'm pretty sure so probably pretty nice like he's been touting

  • @gregbarnett9101
    @gregbarnett9101 3 года назад +1

    Hey Danny, can I convince you into making a video building the crossover for the svs ultra center? I just received your kit I'm anxious to get it started but honestly I'm nervous. I would feel so much more confident doing this DIY project if I could follow along with your video. because man I would hate to screw it up & if this goes well i'm onto my ultra towers next. Thanks!!

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      I don't have any of those speakers in house any more.

    • @randymelton1880
      @randymelton1880 2 года назад

      Hey Greg. Surely you have gotten your kit in the ultra center? I just got one and even after Danny trying to talk me through it on the phone I just don’t get it. Keeps telling me to follow the sheet but it’s all Greek to me. Can you help me? Thanks

    • @gregbarnett9101
      @gregbarnett9101 2 года назад

      @@randymelton1880 Hey Randy, believe it or not I received my kit probably 3 months ago, I too found it daunting & I did reachout to Danny a couple of times & eventually I put it on hold but thank God I had another center speaker. I picked back up with it last weekend & it finally clicked. Basically everything on the right side of that schematic goes to the speakers left side goes to the terminals. If you need a hand text me back your # & I'll see if I can walk you through it.

  • @pizzaearthpancakesandother2549
    @pizzaearthpancakesandother2549 3 года назад +3

    Audition at _Krazy Danny's Speaker Emporium™_
    Prices so low you'll think he lost his mind!®

    • @stevefick3919
      @stevefick3919 3 года назад

      Kind of like "Sofa King" They're prices are Sofa King Low!

  • @eliseoros1874
    @eliseoros1874 Год назад

    Can you tell me what gauge you use for the tweeter and woofer coils in a 2-way, thanks.

  • @greenbeginner3353
    @greenbeginner3353 3 года назад

    Can I go ahead and connect the wires that go to the drivers and input connectors at the same time as the crossover parts and do all the twisting of wires and soldering at the same time?

    • @BigAlz11
      @BigAlz11 3 года назад

      You would have to ensure proper length of the speaker wire after the cross over assembly. The only way to do that is to physically place the assemble cross over into the box. That's why it's in two steps. If the wires were pre measured and there were no flaws in the assembly you could. But that wouldn't be diy, and would cost more.

  • @BostonMike68
    @BostonMike68 Год назад

    I was wondering when you add a 1 uf sono cap is that added into the value? So if you used a 6.8 uf cap and a 1 uf sona would that be the same as using a 7.8 uf cap?

  • @BigAlz11
    @BigAlz11 3 года назад

    I just ordered mine, what's the wattage rating and actually frequency response?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      The frequency response is shown in this video and is on our website. They don't get wattage ratings.

  • @computerenthusiast402
    @computerenthusiast402 Год назад

    What happen to the diagram, schematic, and purchase list ?……its gone from your website ?

  • @amitchodankar1989
    @amitchodankar1989 2 года назад

    Those inductors have any polarity?

  • @berndcorvers7833
    @berndcorvers7833 3 года назад

    hi danny to tide the rsistor with plastic tides could be a problem with the temperatur at the resistor ?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      DM is correct. They will never have to dissipate much heat and never will get very hot.

  • @__m__e__
    @__m__e__ 2 года назад +1

    Does capacitor direction matter?

    • @paulr8439
      @paulr8439 2 года назад

      I have the same question. And how to tell + from -

  • @hugobloemers4425
    @hugobloemers4425 3 года назад

    Is that a Luger model 8 soldering gun:)

  • @ThisSteveGuy
    @ThisSteveGuy 3 года назад

    Just so you know, the URL in the description seems to be incorrect.

  • @wallalo
    @wallalo 3 года назад

    wouldn't it be interesting to have a video where you see the frequency response at the listening point in a well-treated environment? because otherwise having an excellent frequency response of the only speaker I don't think it will be of much use, don't you think?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      No, it is actually the other way around. An in room response is useless. It is only specific to one room only.

    • @wallalo
      @wallalo 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 what I meant is how good the frequency response can remain in a properly treated environment. Because if the final frequency response becomes poor, what is the point of pursuing an excellent frequency response of the speaker alone?
      I don't think showing how the frequency response becomes in the room is a waste of time or useless. I think it can be very useful

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      @@wallalo It then becomes a measurement of the room and not really a measurement of the speaker. I used to do it all the time to help correlate the speaker measurement and the room measurement and to tweak the room.

    • @wallalo
      @wallalo 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 sorry but I did not understand, have you already made a video or written something somewhere where you can see the frequency response in the environment of some of your speakers?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      @@wallalo No, I shoot all of the speaker measurements using a gated time window. So there are zero room related contributions to the response.

  • @catdeddy8427
    @catdeddy8427 3 года назад

    Would there be a benefit to fastening the network board with brass screws?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      No, the screws are far enough away from the inductors for it to matter.

  • @garyztomlinson
    @garyztomlinson 3 года назад +1

    Do you ship to the UK?

  • @cesarelizondo5464
    @cesarelizondo5464 3 года назад +1

    I am new to building and watched your videos on building the encore speakers and had to take the cross overs out and redo the connections on the inductors because I missed or you never showed you had to get the red coating off the ends of the inductors for it to make a proper connection and work. That may be very basic but I didn't know. They sound great now and I'm going to get a set of these. here you didn't say anything about the red coating either and that is pretty important for us newbies.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +3

      This was only a problem when I cleaned Erse out on inductors, and the wire they use to wind them and had to order inductors from Solen. There coils are just cut, not cut and Tinned. The coils that come with these are already cut and Tinned. So no worries with these.

  • @greenbeginner3353
    @greenbeginner3353 3 года назад

    At 9:35 you say “the same with the pools.” What are you referring to as a “pool.”?

  • @butchgo3756
    @butchgo3756 3 года назад +1

    Just wondering why not hot glue everything down?

  • @ja8020
    @ja8020 3 года назад

    Looks awesome and I bet it sounds awesome for the price Danny. :)

  • @kofikwakyeagyekum6487
    @kofikwakyeagyekum6487 2 года назад +1

    What is the meaning of DIY??

  • @ii1825
    @ii1825 3 года назад

    Please offer 3Dprinted crossover mounting board files. You don't need a 3D printer to offer this service. Basic measurements are all that is required. Thank you.

  • @genez429
    @genez429 3 года назад

    Why no first order crossovers?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      Those drivers won't really work with a first order filter.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад +1

      @@DougMen1 That woofer filter is actually creating a bit of a second order slope.

    • @genez429
      @genez429 3 года назад

      @@DougMen1 Its not going to be phase coherent that way. Many speakers are not. I have owned two different first order, 2 way speakers, and the imaging and depth just sounded more realistic.

  • @zackpetrovic3029
    @zackpetrovic3029 3 года назад

    What veneer is that?

  • @sinisa317
    @sinisa317 3 года назад

    danny is a god

    • @randymelton1880
      @randymelton1880 2 года назад

      Anybody got the “brown nose” emoji? Send it to this guy please.

  • @clayc124
    @clayc124 Год назад

    These are no longer available.

  • @veroman007
    @veroman007 3 года назад +2

    why not use hot glue instead of ties? or any glue?

    • @The_Story_Channel
      @The_Story_Channel 3 года назад

      Ties are more secure and they also give a more clean look to the board, you need to be careful using hot glue, I have melted the covering on some caps with hot glue, it did not effect the caps other than it made them look like crap and just using hot glue or any glue makes the crossover look messy (just my opinion), even though the crossovers are not seen, I personally would still like them to look professionally built.
      Having said all that, you can use glue if you want too, there is nothing really wrong with glue providing that you use something that won't come loose over time, it comes down to personal preference.

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      If you are careful, hot glue can be used too.

    • @matthiasmartin1975
      @matthiasmartin1975 3 года назад +1

      Would silicone caulking between the components and the board help in further reducing vibrations/resonances?

    • @dannyrichie9743
      @dannyrichie9743 3 года назад

      @@matthiasmartin1975 A little and very little. If you use Silicon then let it dry for a few days before you install it.

    • @matthiasmartin1975
      @matthiasmartin1975 3 года назад

      @@dannyrichie9743 ah, I understand, because the fumes are often corrosive, right? The vinegar smell gives it away.

  • @createachanneltopost
    @createachanneltopost 3 года назад

    The link doesn't work for me.

    • @GRResearch
      @GRResearch  3 года назад

      Thanks, try again please.

  • @robertthurston6858
    @robertthurston6858 3 года назад

    Your quality of build is far to high , this is truly a lost leader. I want one to put in my empty nahagony OPERA 1 cabinets. Thanks

  • @Smackdabinu
    @Smackdabinu 3 года назад +1

    I’ve got a real challenge for you. Why don’t you play the game twister while you’re twisting the parts together!

    • @welshrarebit9238
      @welshrarebit9238 3 года назад +1

      Get a life …

    • @Smackdabinu
      @Smackdabinu 3 года назад +1

      @@welshrarebit9238
      Ahhh!! “Don’t hate the player!”

  • @JohnScot-c8h
    @JohnScot-c8h Месяц назад

    Do you make/sell 3 way charged crosovers for jbl 4350? If yes how much do you want for them?

  • @РуфатШиралиев-л8л
    @РуфатШиралиев-л8л 2 года назад

    Hello Mr. Danny. 👋Mr. Danny this green resistors Dayton Audio made? Green Dayton Audio good resistor. And about capacitors.. I know, you like Sonic caps, but You forget about two ✌️ very important nuances. First - The larger the capacitance of the capacitor, the lower the speed of the signal.Second - all capacitors have one big flaw - extremely thin lead wires. Therefore no need use one capacitor, this big mistake!For perfect result, need use big quantity little capacitors and connected all capacitors in one parallel. A big quantity small capacitors pass through the signal maximal quickly. Therefore, If you need one capacitor, for example, which have price 20$.Much better use 7-9-11 capacitors, which have low price. Rubycon MPB Polypropylene green capacitors very good capacitors and have low price(don't forget that Rubycon legendary Japan capacitors company),next choice - JB JPX Supreme red capacitors very good caps, and last choice Dayton Audio PMPC capacitors good caps, which have very low price. If you are using for crossover 9-11 Rubycon polypropylene capacitors or JB JPX Supreme caps, maybe Dayton Audio PMPC caps and connected all capacitors in one parallel, this method give you perfect results, much better than one capacitor for 20-22$.Same resistors, need connected big quantity in one parallel.

  • @coldfinger459sub0
    @coldfinger459sub0 3 года назад +1

    It’s nice to know you’re giving away a loss leader for beginners entry level.
    Because we all know your loss leaders will sound and are of higher quality than most other manufacturers at several hundred dollars more asking price.