How Brands Manipulate You To Be Loyal

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
  • A deep dive into why you take it personally when someone buys different things than you. I'm so excited to see who buys adspace for this one. 😅
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    0:00 - Welcome
    0:59 - Social Identity Theory
    5:05 - Loss Aversion
    9:24 - Vintage Apple
    12:30 - Modern Apple
    15:30 - iDentity
    18:03 - Letz b frens
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  • @BACKLIGHT
    @BACKLIGHT Год назад +234

    As a kid that went through highschool with an Android phone, I can confirm that being excluded from group chats is an extremely common occurrence. I can remember half a dozen times off the top of my head where I was told I couldn't join my class' group chat (where my classmates were discussing pertinent info about midterms/finals that I desperately needed) because it would make the experience more annoying for everyone involved. An interesting note about green bubbles is that the shade of light green used for them actually breaks Apple's own rules on contrast for apps in the App Store because it is so similar in lightness/luminosity to the white text used in iOS. Just thinking about the problem infuriates me because I know my experience with green bubbles is not uncommon and there have likely been tens of millions of instances where kids have been excluded from social circles simply because they use a different mobile operating system

    • @andresciahooten9598
      @andresciahooten9598 9 месяцев назад +8

      That’s because your classmates thought that they were better than you because you didn’t have an iPhone. And they did. I mean, I definitely know people who don’t like iPhones and I don’t judge them for it. To me, it’s all about what you prefer. Or what you can afford

    • @andresciahooten9598
      @andresciahooten9598 9 месяцев назад

      That’s because your classmates thought that they were better than you because you didn’t have an iPhone. And they did. I mean, I definitely know people who don’t like iPhones and I don’t judge them for it. To me, it’s all about what you prefer. Or what you can afford

    • @reepicheep948
      @reepicheep948 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@andresciahooten9598 I feel like this is a rather pessimistic and restrictive perspective to the issue mentioned, which kinda adds to issues of binary or simply restrictive ideologies. Generalizations and stereotyping have always just irrationally annoyed me so maybe it’s just the way I think, but would be more reasonable to assume that they simply had stigmas associated with android phones or non-Apple phones, that were either ‘forced’ upon them from the few extremists who actually think their better than others for having a different phone, or the just see them as this unfamiliar ‘thing’ that they don’t want to have to be accustomed towards.
      I kinda just felt like practicing my more structured written ‘arguments’ in a informal way so you can kinda just ignore this if you want. Just an opinion of mine that I had.

    • @Quimmoo
      @Quimmoo 8 месяцев назад

      what the actual fuck? This is so fucked up, on so many levels, it's pissing me off. Those people can't stand a little inconvenience that much, that they are willingly exclude others from a fucking discussion about the exams and shit? That's fucking disgusting.

    • @sykoteddy
      @sykoteddy 3 месяца назад +5

      I guess we can be a little bit happy about the "fact" that most people who uses a Android phone instead of an Iphone is a bit mentally stronger and therefor handles hardships better in the end.
      Oh boy, I've done it now...

  • @rowanzone
    @rowanzone Год назад +425

    unlike all of you im loyal to the grind

    • @C.S.Argudo
      @C.S.Argudo Год назад +5

      You right

    • @sommelierofstench
      @sommelierofstench Год назад +7

      gottem

    • @drowsyspook3455
      @drowsyspook3455 Год назад +2

      Lol

    • @zackcolbourne6921
      @zackcolbourne6921 Год назад +15

      The grind sucks. The hustle has a much smoother UI.

    • @sullyschwartz2365
      @sullyschwartz2365 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@zackcolbourne6921 Hustle has a better UI, but it suffers from the same player retention issues the Grind faces, along with both having the exact same end game that most find unsatisfactory.

  • @bananaghost427
    @bananaghost427 Год назад +392

    Hey Mr Benn...I really enjoy your music gear videos, but these "Rabbit Hole" videos are special. This one, the one about how loud a sound can be, and especially the one about how different types of animals experience the world are some of my favorite content i've seen on the RUclipss. Please keep up the good work, and thank you!

    • @Alkatross
      @Alkatross Год назад +1

      I love a deep dive!

    • @RanHarasaki
      @RanHarasaki Год назад +5

      Seconded. I don't know how I found this channel but I'm glad I did.

    • @billycollins6005
      @billycollins6005 Год назад +2

      Agreed! These rabbit hole videos are some of the best content I've seen on RUclips. Benn is such an incredible teacher and storyteller.

    • @tentativeentertainment3363
      @tentativeentertainment3363 Год назад

      i agree, love your work Benn

    • @ronnetgrazer362
      @ronnetgrazer362 8 месяцев назад +1

      Benn Jordan and Alex Ball could do videos about anything and get buried in likes, such good writing, great presentation.

  • @nickjohnson398
    @nickjohnson398 Год назад +115

    Man growing up the “green” texts legitimately were a social leprosy. With how important group chats were and still are to kids social groups you inconvenienced every iPhone user involved. I remember legitimately using apps like groupme for group chats with android users. I always assumed this was intentional by Apple but I never knew how quickly it could be remedied.

    • @WillyJunior
      @WillyJunior Год назад +13

      Lucky that everyone uses WhatsApp now...

    • @frostydei5012
      @frostydei5012 Год назад +10

      That's interesting. The class element is fascinating, too.
      For instance, my highschool was extremely poor and populated through poor neighborhoods. Only two students drove a car, and even the handful of "rich" kids were just middle class.
      Kids literally got their asses kicked for the blue bubble. It indicated that your phone was expensive, which made you an ideal target for robbery. Also, there is more class consciousness and sorting along wealth lines in the disadvantaged caste. You might get knocked out and wake up with a smashed iphone, too. If the attacker wanted to send you the message that conspicuous wealth was Your transgression and they aren't a thief.

    • @aoterou
      @aoterou Год назад +1

      as an iPhone user I agree, Android users are like lepers (I kow, I know, I missed the point of the video, but still...)

    • @brmbkl
      @brmbkl 7 месяцев назад +2

      it would be intersting to hear who decided these ostracizing distinction in the UI as a graphic designer, I can't imagine an engineer or designer came up with that

    • @LRM12o8
      @LRM12o8 2 месяца назад +4

      You're not the one inconveniencing apple users, apple is!
      Unfortunately, apple users don't understand that. After all, they wouldn't be apple users in the first place if they understood just how many unnecessary inconveniences apple puts in their products only for apple's own benefit! 💁

  • @Shadowbait
    @Shadowbait Год назад +189

    I think I'm about as brand-unloyal as they come. I've switched back and forth between iOS and Android repeatedly, switched from mostly Windows to mostly Mac, etc. But it's incredibly frustrating that ALL the big companies have done at least one evil thing that ought to be unforgivable, yet it's hard to get by without giving your money to at least one of them.

    • @Joethedrummer
      @Joethedrummer Год назад +4

      Welcome to civilisation.

    • @shayneoneill1506
      @shayneoneill1506 Год назад +21

      Its kinda why I sometimes my buddy who a few years back brought a property out in the forest and spends his time fucking about with fishing or doing shit in the forest seems to have the right idea. Oh I do miss goofing off with him online, but every time i go out there to visit I totally get it. Its a happy place, and far far away from the brands and tribes, and capitalist grind of the modern world. Its like, your *IN* nature, and theres a part of you that suddenly feels at peace like deep in yr bones your meant to be out in the natural world instead of inside the urban rat-race & internet, and no fuckin' compromises with brand loyalty.

    • @em_the_bee
      @em_the_bee Год назад +12

      Well, if you want to vote with your wallet for morality, and there's no one to vote for... How about some free and open-source software, kid?

    • @ZOOTSUITBEATNICK1
      @ZOOTSUITBEATNICK1 Год назад +3

      Buy used.

    • @Shadowbait
      @Shadowbait Год назад +9

      @@em_the_bee I do use a lot of FOSS, but it's hard to get by in modern society without a smartphone running either iOS or Android. I also can't use Linux exclusively for the work I do.

  • @jcoverpass
    @jcoverpass Год назад +214

    I’d like to say that your deviations from Music Production Specific videos is the top reason that I am a fan of your YT channel. It is refreshing to see a brilliant mind positing good thought experiments.
    You and Ken Marshall have to be the best of the best Producers that prove time and time again that Greed isn’t on the table when one clicks on the menu and starts a video.
    Thanks and I know that I am and have been so very toxic over the years. I’m working on that.

    • @JureJerebic
      @JureJerebic Год назад +6

      This

    • @colinrussell2017
      @colinrussell2017 Год назад +4

      For sure! Benn and Hiwatt are doing videos because they want to get a message out that they feel is important and can actually help people and maybe get a discussion going. They're not doing it for clicks!

  • @maria_remedios
    @maria_remedios Год назад +185

    Thank you for delving into the Apple situation for those of us who are not North-American. It's completely insane what they've done to the phone market in those parts of the world, I feel really sorry for you guys.

    • @hvanmegen
      @hvanmegen Год назад +27

      fully agree.. I'm sticking to Android, because if a company fucks up their line of phones, at least I have alternative brands to switch to instead of being stuck with the same brand, not able to get out without losing access to the (quite affordable) ecosystem..

    • @pauldecaro1416
      @pauldecaro1416 Год назад +14

      I'd rather buy 2 flagship samsungs and toss one in a well than buy any iphone

    • @NibNa5ty
      @NibNa5ty 11 месяцев назад

      Its whatever. No need to feel bad lol

    • @ericmatthews8497
      @ericmatthews8497 8 месяцев назад +1

      Put literally ANY other company into Apple's marketshare dominant position in the US with smart phones and messaging ... and you will get the same result.

    • @sudonim7552
      @sudonim7552 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@ericmatthews8497Which is why no company should be allowed to be so powerful

  • @RanHarasaki
    @RanHarasaki Год назад +51

    Man, for an audio guy, you sure release some fascinatingly deep and impactful videos. Please keep deep-diving into the things that matter. This video in particular--oddly--helped me cope with some extremely difficult social trauma that's been haunting me for the past 6 years. Thank you.

  • @ctrlectrld
    @ctrlectrld Год назад +69

    It needs to be said that the bubble thingy only happens in the US. It would be interesting to understand why. And no, it's not related to market share, in Japan it doesn't happen.

    • @NickLavers-ys1tf
      @NickLavers-ys1tf Год назад +3

      Interesting, happens in Australia

    • @ctrlectrld
      @ctrlectrld Год назад +3

      @@NickLavers-ys1tf In Australia iPhone has more or less the same market share it has in the UK, and as far as I know, in UK it doesn't happen.

    • @hrlarson
      @hrlarson Год назад +4

      It happens in Sweden. Or rather you need to have iMessage turned on not to have your group chat act crazy and unpredictable. Like letting some messages through but not others, excluding some in the group chat at certain points until nobody knows who got messages and who is answering what. Turn on iMessage and all problems go away.

    • @ctrlectrld
      @ctrlectrld Год назад

      @@hrlarson Technicalities and compatibility issues aside, do you mean that in Sweden kids with Android phones get bullied by their iPhone friends, and more in general, people gets discriminated according to the phone they use?

    • @jawsh1971
      @jawsh1971 Год назад

      @@ctrlectrld It definitely happens in the UK. It’s how I can text with my Brit friends for free rather than paying SMS charges. I realize there are chat alternatives, but none of us feel like switching over.

  • @1chrisanderson
    @1chrisanderson Год назад +136

    When I sense a brand (or individual) is using these manipulation tactics my alarm bells immediately ring, it's been like this since i was a kid. People constantly give me crap for using Denon instead of Pioneer, having an Android, building my own PCs, whatever. I will ALWAYS choose the option that supports more open integrations and customization, whatever can help stimulate my creativity in new ways.
    **EDIT** Because some of you don't seem to understand my mindset and are assuming i'm part of the problem- I don't give a shit about the brand name or public perception - People may give me a hard time for using something they see as non-standard, but I'll happily use whatever I find if it fits my use case and affords me the flexibility, durability, and price point i'm after. In the Android/iPhone example can you offer a solid 3rd option? I don't know of one... So then would it make you feel better if i covered all the logos on my gear with black tape, de-badged my entire car and wore only plain white T shirts? Or would you prefer that I build my own devices and networks from scratch instead of using anything good enough to have reached the mainstream...
    **EDIT**
    If brand creates artificial technical limits in their products in order to wall off competitors or people outside their platform, they don't get my money. Simple as that. This world needs unity and understanding, these tactics of customer lock-in and political tribalism are symptoms of a greater evil

    • @3nertia
      @3nertia Год назад +10

      Good to know that I am not alone and that there are other "contrarians" out here! :D

    • @Alkatross
      @Alkatross Год назад +17

      My heart broke for the kids who get excluded because of the green bubble. Not cool. I'll never buy an iPhone. NEVER!!!! Behringer is cool tho.

    • @peen2804
      @peen2804 Год назад +14

      but you’re still using products from companies that want you to say everything you just said. You’re still using brands and purchasing decisions to define a part of your identity. So instead of being the “apple sheep” you’re taking the “well I use THESE brands not the POPULAR or FANCY brands chyeah dats rite bro” route as if there’s any difference between the two. The entire video was about this exact thing lmao.
      You could have left it at “customization tends to influence my purchasing decisions” instead of putting a brand-tinted angle on it. Again, the exact thing this video was about lmao.
      I guarantee “people constantly giving me crap about using denon instead of pioneer” actually means “my friend made fun of me one time in jest because they like pioneer and I took it personally” who tf are these people that are supposedly giving you constant shit about using denon products 😂 like when a 13 year old receives mild criticism from 1 person then goes on about how everyone hates them and they can’t do anything right. PC building is the most mainstream it’s ever been and same with android. are all of your friends grandmas or something tf is going on who are these people in your life 😂
      Lastly, walled gardens have benefits and drawbacks, just as open or lightly curated platforms have their benefits and drawbacks. More a system of trade offs than some evil conspiracy. And no, you’re not making the world a better place by giving Google and Microsoft your money over Apple like is that a joke or do you actually believe that? You are the exact person this video was made for and it seems it went entirely over your head. Even the example you give are of companies that use the exact tactics you’re talking about. Not long before watching this I saw an ad for android doing the whole “we r so way more open than apple n ya it’s so good n so open chyeah if u use android then ur rly smart u kno wats up unlike thos apple sheep dat do not kno wats up like u do”. Kinda like what Apple and every other company does by attempting to make consumers feel superior to other humans for their purchasing decisions.
      But they make the platform you prefer so obviously it’s fine when they do it. Things could get messy with cognitive dissonance and all that best just not think about it if it doesn’t fit your “us vs them” narrative. Almost like the media and these companies profit from that mentality or something. Huh weird. Really stickin it to the man arentcha

    • @3nertia
      @3nertia Год назад +10

      @@peen2804 There aren't really any "good" options out there - it's a "the lesser of two evils" sort of situation heh

    • @YOLOnline
      @YOLOnline Год назад +3

      Same here, haven't had too many since I use them for as long as I can but when shopping for a new phone I look at specs and functions I'd want it to have and for how much they sell regardless of brand. Even with the same phone I've been reverting some software updates because the new ones does something that I didn't want or adds unnecessary stuff while breaking or disrupting stuff that did. The biggest issue in that is windows for now. If all the software and things I want to do would be supported on open source stuff like Linux distros I'd switch to that in a heartbeat. Just buy products because they suit your needs instead of them having a particular name on them. And brands need to accept that and be open to interchangeable ecosystems and cooperation (looking at you apple as the examples in this video show as well)

  • @AlanW
    @AlanW Год назад +7

    What's interesting about the green bubble thing, it's not THEIR messages that are green, the other person's messages are always gray, it's YOUR messages that are green.

    • @BennJordan
      @BennJordan  Год назад +2

      Yeah, I feel like my sentence there could have been structured a bit better. :)

  • @donoru
    @donoru Год назад +39

    Super excited for this! You’re the perfect person to make a video about this because the brand loyalty associated with music manufacturers is insane.

  • @General_Ictus
    @General_Ictus Год назад +74

    Dear college students: if a college or university tells you that you have to buy a certain laptop for their program, ask them why and don't fall for their crap. They'll usually have a computer lab with any software you would ever need for any project. Penn State tried that shit, too... so stupid.

    • @AndrewSouthworth
      @AndrewSouthworth Год назад +12

      Goes both ways too. I mostly uses Macs and in college for engineering basically ALL engineering software is Windows only. However I didn't want to (and couldn't afford) to get a second computer, so I used a combination of Parallels on my Mac and the computer lab computers.
      Unfortunately as far as I know there isn't a convenient way to do the opposite and run Mac OSX on a Windows machine. But it really shouldn't ever be an issue, almost no commonly used software is Mac only.

    • @m4t7eo
      @m4t7eo Год назад +3

      @@AndrewSouthworth I could see this as a problem for a class that uses Final Cut or Logic, but a VM can work for macOS too

    • @AuroraAce.
      @AuroraAce. Год назад +3

      the software too is also trying to get you locked into their ecosystem if you learn to do everything on Photoshop in school you are much more likely to continue to use Photoshop rather than go through the hassle of learning a new program

    • @General_Ictus
      @General_Ictus Год назад +1

      @@m4t7eo from what I can tell from taking audio production classes, we would use whatever the studio had in class (protools or logic) but for projects we were allowed to use any DAW. If you didn't have one at home though, yeah you were stuck signing out a time for studio B or C and using logic or protools. At least protools is cross platform...

    • @seamon9732
      @seamon9732 Год назад +4

      @@AndrewSouthworth Shirley you're joking.
      There's even a term for PCs running Mac OS.
      HACKINTOSH.

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Год назад +10

    What surprises me is how many people are CERTAIN that they are not susceptible to manipulation by marketing people.

    • @georgeonearth
      @georgeonearth 10 месяцев назад +3

      I definitely am not
      - sent from my iPhone

  • @2.7petabytes
    @2.7petabytes Год назад +7

    Edward Bernays studied this for decades! He even worked with DARPA to try and figure out how to market to the hippies in the 60’s, hence the VW bug with a surfboard on the top, etc. There’s a great set of videos you can watch on RUclips called The Century of Self. It’s a real eye opener! Edward was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. Great video by the way Benn!

  • @guitboxgeek
    @guitboxgeek Год назад +16

    I've never understood brand loyalty. But, I've also never understood most humans. Great video, Benn. Wonder why this doesn't have more views? 🤔

    • @myhandlehasbeenmishandled
      @myhandlehasbeenmishandled 4 месяца назад +1

      Same here. I got Android because iPhone was too expensive. Eventually I was invested with apps that I had and there were no better options. Getting an iPhone even if I was willing to pay would be pain in the ass. Another example, I used to play games on Windows a lot. But as new hardware got more expensive and I lost interest in gaming I switched to what was free. I switched to Linux. Not because of "brand", they have none really. Not because some political ideology. But because I could reuse my old PC and didn't have to get more memory, pay for OS, or new graphic card. By that point everything I did on my computer I was able to do on Linux.

  • @triplestandart7613
    @triplestandart7613 Год назад +2

    Benn...I'm speechless. Your music has emotionally touched me in my early youth and now years later every single one of your videos thoroughly amazes me. What you say are some of the most level-headed and measured arguments I've heard not to forget well researched. Thank you for working on making the world a better place!

  • @K0r0n1s
    @K0r0n1s Год назад +20

    It is really impressive that tools can make tools out of us in the long run if we're not careful. Thanks for educating me on this front thus giving me ways to be more vigilant :-)

  • @KristianWontroba
    @KristianWontroba Год назад +9

    My dad worked in a corporate job for Pepsi while my paternal grandfather worked for Coke when I was a kid in the 80s. In that environment, I come realize the bullshit that is brand loyalty. Great stuff!

  • @0xszander0
    @0xszander0 Год назад +2

    Your content is truly interesting unlike many other channels rechewing already used information.
    I always truly learn something watching them. Which is a rare thing on yt. Keep it going Benn, thanks for the amazing content.

  • @freddykuno
    @freddykuno Год назад +1

    Benn, I've been a fan of your music ever since I heard "I think in a minute or so I'll explode" when I was ... 13 or something, I didn't even know what to make of it, a song less than a minute long... lol. Finding out 15 years later that you're making this high quality social commentary content on YT was like the best comeback any artist could ever make in my opinion. It's like you transcended your mission and once again bring amazing experiences into my life, of whole another type this time. Thank you.
    That being said, a take on Naomi Klein's "No Logo" would have been an excellent addition to this video. Keep up the good work.

  • @oscarguzman3017
    @oscarguzman3017 2 месяца назад +3

    I don't think I would've particularly minded getting an apple phone, but I recently got a fold, and I'm not sure I could go back. Reading manga on the big screen is a dream. Honestly, it's not a very good feature if you aren't a reader tbh. I don't really see a use case if you don't read. But there's a secret feature on these things that they don't advertise. There are no ads on the official RUclips app. It's unreal.

  • @deepblueday
    @deepblueday Год назад +18

    Another fantastic video essay, Benn! I'm now subscribed and Patreon supporting! Hey, wait...you're making me into a brand-loyal Benn Jordan fanboy!

  • @briandavidgregory
    @briandavidgregory 9 месяцев назад +1

    This is the kind of video that makes me really enjoy your channel. Well thought out, well researched, and well presented! I'm sorry I missed this a year ago.

  • @chrisw1462
    @chrisw1462 Год назад +1

    Awesome video.. I knew a lot of those particulars, but never put them together like that. Keep up the great work, Benn!

  • @aaronrosenthal5310
    @aaronrosenthal5310 Год назад +8

    A corporation will never love you the way that you love them...

    • @JaguarPanda
      @JaguarPanda 6 дней назад

      They love your wallet tho

  • @tomaszbaran
    @tomaszbaran Год назад +1

    Thank you Benn, I listened with great interest. Love those journeys of yours into other territories!:)

  • @fridmanator
    @fridmanator Год назад +2

    Your'e one of a kind Benn, and I spread the word about you with every video you do. thanks.

  • @atanasprodatanasov9233
    @atanasprodatanasov9233 Год назад +1

    Another amazing video from my favorite channel! Thank you so much for all your effort and dedication!

  • @grizzleMD
    @grizzleMD Год назад +2

    A very thought out and well researched video! Great content as always Benn! Keep 'em coming

  • @Stormsurf001
    @Stormsurf001 11 месяцев назад +1

    Best ever! (and I said that about the 440 tuning video too). It just keep getting better (or maybe I'm just buying more into the Benn Jordan brand). Keep up the great work!

  • @bornach
    @bornach Год назад +5

    "curious what brands will be buying adspace on this particular video"
    For me in the UK, they were Warcraft, LG, Nicorette, PayPal, Samsung Galaxy

    • @zbnmth
      @zbnmth Год назад

      here in the NL, they were a new hr-agency, and Samsung. You get a lot of ads!

  • @aaronmichaud1
    @aaronmichaud1 Год назад

    Benn you are awesome! Thank you for everything you’ve done to enrich my life and the lives of all who have encountered you.

  • @bdbeats7209
    @bdbeats7209 Год назад +5

    Brilliant break down.
    It's crazy all the psychological tricks that go into marketing and brand recognition/loyalty

  • @justincaldwell2527
    @justincaldwell2527 Год назад +1

    I have only watched a few of your videos on my Mac. They kind of remind me of dinner with my dad. He talked a lot too. I especially like that I can use the RUclips platform to tune in to your ideas, thought and feelings. I love looking at all the gear you have glowing and blinking in the back ground just out of focus enough to not see a brand name. I feel comfortable watching you because your hair style, tattoos and irony remind me of a lot of other people who have social media platforms. Please don't stop. We need you.

  • @REALDAXH
    @REALDAXH Год назад +1

    I was waiting for such video (old school Ben) for a long time. Thank you!

  • @monsirto
    @monsirto Год назад +4

    The Apple example is excellent. Key takeaways: Read reviews and buy the best product for the job. If "your brand" doesn't play nicely with other gear, drop 'em and be nice!

  • @DerekRobertsteig
    @DerekRobertsteig Год назад

    Psychology and sociology are incredible, and I love learning about stuff like this. Kudos, Benn. Another fantastic video!

  • @crifox16
    @crifox16 Год назад +4

    gonna chime in with many other comments, your videos outside the topic of plain old gear vids are skyrocketing you to the top of my favorite creators list, especially your recent output is just fuckin flawless man. nobody else i know can present both cutting edge and controversial topics in such a clear, objective, no-bullshit and at times hilarious way. you really deserve the title of vsauce of music, really considering joining your patreon with your recent output

  • @xeniebaby
    @xeniebaby Год назад +2

    These are my fav kind of Benn vids!!

  • @surrealchemist
    @surrealchemist Год назад +17

    What is annoying to me is that Android is the only alternative and then you are left with weird fragmented random versions, security holes or Google spying on you. When the Palm Pre came out I bought it on launch day and loved the hell out of that thing. It ran Linux, the software was based off web standards and it had a great look and feeling for the time and features that later became commonplace in smart phones. Googles way to combat apple was just to flood the market with a free option for manufacturers and then consumers had to take whatever they were given. So now I just hate everything at varying degrees. lol

    • @Vapor-Fi
      @Vapor-Fi Год назад

      Found my Palm Pixi the other day, charged it and it still worked. I started just browsing around on it and man I miss that UI. It was great everything was so smooth and worked the way one would think a touch screen should work.

    • @damienlobb85
      @damienlobb85 Год назад +1

      Your views on Android are somewhat outdated and skewed.

    • @ToyKeeper
      @ToyKeeper Год назад +1

      It's really unfortunate that the only real options most people have for phones are either Apple or Android. While I'd definitely say Android is the lesser evil there, they're both built in ways which are user-hostile. Even community firmwares like LineageOS aren't able to fix the core issues, because those issues run so deep. Like, the entire concept of basing the OS on an app store (instead of an open-source package repository like Debian) pretty much guarantees the entire ecosystem will be full of junk. I hope a better option will get popular someday, but it's going to take a lot of work which probably won't even be feasible until society as a whole has entered a more progressive era. The problems of the phone ecosystem are basically just symptoms of larger societal issues.

    • @me-myself-i787
      @me-myself-i787 2 месяца назад

      I'd recommend trying GrapheneOS.
      It's Pixel-exclusive, but it's a very secure and open operating system.

  • @garygood6593
    @garygood6593 Год назад

    Amazing work, as always! Thanks for all your hard work over the years. Cheers mate!

  • @Ed-davies
    @Ed-davies Год назад +9

    This is absolutely the best video you have done, as a self confessed Apple fan I agree with everything you’ve said here!

  • @kelownatechkid
    @kelownatechkid Год назад +1

    Really nice narrative style video benn!

  • @jlindborg1105
    @jlindborg1105 2 дня назад

    This is so true!
    I am constantly fighting myself regarding my sometimes delusional need to buy something.
    Sometimes it's needed to be bought but most of the time it's related to a feeling and all the reasons for buying it is more of excuses than logical. I may not even need it in the first place!
    A good question to ask is "can I manage without it in any way?" and most of the time, I actually can but don't want to. And it's the "i don't want to" that is the problem.
    There is much more to say about this but I keep this short.
    Thanks!

  • @elijahle7936
    @elijahle7936 2 месяца назад +2

    On the apple vs android messaging, for school, is usually suggest a third party app. More so for the increased functionality, but also to eliminate this prejudice.

  • @SanMarin0
    @SanMarin0 4 месяца назад +1

    Absolute stellar video start to finish. Engaging and entertaining with some great takeaways.

  • @mario_smith-mena
    @mario_smith-mena Год назад

    Loved the message man, thanks for sharing.

  • @MrNamaikisaru
    @MrNamaikisaru Год назад

    Great content. I'm sorry to say you were in my watch later queue. Glad I finally got around to watching this.

  • @makamqore
    @makamqore Год назад +13

    Re computers and portable music-players, I've been mostly stuck in Apple ecosystem products since 1998 (though avoided getting an iphone until earlier this year), and... well, this video *is* spot on. You might enjoy Thorstein Veblen's books Benn, he coined the term of "conspicuous consumption" back in 1899 and covers some of the early history of how buying shit = social identity.

    • @jamesbarels469
      @jamesbarels469 Год назад +2

      If I remember correctly the book "The Theory Of The Leisure Class" is not a large tome, and I thought Thorstein Veblen made his points fairly clearly.

    • @jamespingel8730
      @jamespingel8730 Год назад +3

      Funny, as Benn was talking about an Iphone requiring a wait in a long line and 30% more money than the competition so of course people think it's better, I was thinking to myself "that sounds a lot like a Veblen good". For those not in the know, "veblen goods" are products that act counter-intuitively to the law of supply and demand. Normally, a raising the price of something decreases demand because people don't want to pay more for the same thing. For a veblen good, however, raising the price actually increases demand, usually because it's a luxury good and part of the appeal of luxury goods is being difficult to obtain, thus being a quick and often conspicuous indicator of your status if you can obtain one. Think Rolex, Hermes, Ferrari, etc.

    • @makamqore
      @makamqore Год назад +1

      @@jamespingel8730 yup! and hey, how excited that we get to pay more for fewer ports on that laptop! and pay more to remove the power button and headphone jack! and get to keep boxes full of legacy apple product adapters! Chin up, will all that money we spent we get to be part of an elite squad of (not really) like-minded consumerists! And if you're really savvy, you can weaponize this illusory superiority over consumer of the "other" product to punch down on those poor sods who bought em!

    • @samcarswell9890
      @samcarswell9890 Год назад

      Speaking of books, I really enjoyed yours (Digital Tradition) @@makamqore ! Read it for a class a few years back and it contributed to a real change in the way I think about music. Also a really big fan of the papers you've published recently, especially the one re: the preamp components. Thanks for all the words :)

    • @ixian_technocrat
      @ixian_technocrat Год назад

      @@jamespingel8730 I actually got to experience a Veblen "establishment". A bar in my Uni campus was not that popular, even though the food and drinks were good in quality and cheap. But then, a new proprietor bought it and upped the prices by a lot, and suddenly it became the most well known bar in the area, because it attracted all the snot-nosed rich-daddy kids.

  • @CtrlSaltDelete
    @CtrlSaltDelete Год назад +24

    Fantastic video! I wish more people were aware of how no-one is immune to this stuff and how it is unfortunately deeply rooted in our evolutionary past.
    I can't imagine a better resource for teaching people just that without appearing condescending or aggressive :)

  • @bestkoreanjesus
    @bestkoreanjesus Год назад

    I want to say I discovered one of your from music. This was such a pleasant treat. I was really confused but also so very intrigued! Bravo! Looking forwards to more of these.

  • @kjaze
    @kjaze 11 месяцев назад

    I just subscribed because of the conclusion you drew at the end of this video.
    The constant subdividing of people and their choices is exhausting. The more we step away from that self-perpetuating cycle, the more we find that some people aren't so bad after all.

  • @slippy1623
    @slippy1623 Год назад +1

    Tthis video is great and discusses some very important concepts in an easy to digest way. You have yourself a new subscriber, my friend :)

  • @TheWstawNazwe
    @TheWstawNazwe Год назад

    Love your latest productions!

  • @brotherghost6155
    @brotherghost6155 8 месяцев назад

    One of the best videos I've watched in a while. Good work.

  • @joaomatos8286
    @joaomatos8286 Год назад

    I loved you video! Amazing insight, i already had notion of this effect since i worked on sales, but this was very well presented! Will share

  • @JureJerebic
    @JureJerebic Год назад +7

    Man the effort you put into this video...The sub count must go up, so a lot more people can appreciate this as well as we do!

  • @streck0486
    @streck0486 Год назад +1

    Very informative, Benn. Thanks! Could have used some of this information in a recent conservation with an Apple fan boy friend of mine.

  • @MUHREECE
    @MUHREECE Год назад +1

    really enjoyed this video man! i learned a lot & love your other videos on music.

  • @davidmiles329
    @davidmiles329 Год назад

    Thank you, dear Benn!

  • @3nertia
    @3nertia Год назад +1

    What a well thought out and well presented video; thank you

  • @LeeCrampton
    @LeeCrampton Год назад +1

    Riveting Ben. I love these diversions from the music content. You're a star. Cheers. Lee

  • @Leispada
    @Leispada Год назад +1

    This was great !
    My mind was massaged with insight today

  • @DJPhantomRage
    @DJPhantomRage Год назад

    Again you knocked it out of the park with another stunning video.

  • @mattwatsonthesecrethelicopters

    Great video Benn. Great insight. Ohand RE ads... Here in the UK I had one ad midway through your video for Tik Tok!! The worlds worst and ghastly platform, the worst. My reasons being I find it morally abhorrent. Or am I supposed to find it that way? Whatever Tik Tok is doing it seems to be working I've refused to use it as I cannot fathom why ethically you would use it, yet other, if not all music industry people I know are totally sold on it being the new best thing and ignore the morally bankruptcy of so much of the content it carries. Children have literally killed themselves trying dangerous Tik Tok "Challenges". There's been a case of a boy on life support here who sadly just passed away. Why? A choking challenge on Tik Tok.
    So yep brand loyalty and manipulation works!

  • @calebtownley9290
    @calebtownley9290 Год назад

    This needs to be spread. Excellent work.

  • @TheHorseValse
    @TheHorseValse Год назад

    I like your attitude and your deep thinking! Do not stop making these videos! 👍

  • @sarmism
    @sarmism Год назад

    Really interesting video thanks so much Benn!

  • @thecaveofthedead
    @thecaveofthedead Год назад

    Excellent work. Sceptics always love to see sceptical content from outside the bubble.

  • @TomasHradckyComposer
    @TomasHradckyComposer Год назад

    Great video. Brought out a nice smile. Well thought out and presented. I have no need to reveal a side and I guess that’s a step in the right direction. I remember the days of Emulator vs Akai. They both worked and now neither is a primary relevant format, though I don’t regret learning both. One was cooler. One was an underdog. One was a big corporation… on and on. They both worked. Oh I said that already.
    You ended this wonderfully. We are better off knowing this about ourselves. Awareness is a good state of mind. Thank you for an enjoyable and enlightening twenty minutes.

  • @jimmac
    @jimmac Год назад

    Brilliantly made. This is the Benn I’m coming back to watch.

  • @kirkegodfrey414
    @kirkegodfrey414 Год назад

    BANG ON! Nice work sir!

  • @mapache_al_ataque
    @mapache_al_ataque Год назад

    This was 🔥🔥🔥! Good talk!

  • @sepixsound
    @sepixsound Год назад

    Very interesting, thank you for carving this out and present it so well!

  • @vincezab1
    @vincezab1 Год назад +1

    This video is absolute genius. It is courageous, insightful, and eloquent. Bravo.

  • @caleykelly
    @caleykelly Год назад

    Great insight Benn. I see so much of this in the music making world, especially at the prosumer level.
    Another subject worth some of your research and insight may be the hyper-commercialization of creative tools in general, or specifically the ,relatively, recent (pro?)consumer driven push in the music tech industry and how that has affected the artform of audio and music in general. I feel it has substantially. Consider the gross revenue of record and touring sales compared to the gross revenue of the tools sold to, theoretically, create that revenue.
    Cheers!

  • @jimmygravitt1048
    @jimmygravitt1048 10 месяцев назад

    Another dope video Benn.

  • @johnplunkett2004
    @johnplunkett2004 10 месяцев назад

    This video deserves two thumbs up! Extemely well done and thought provoking.

  • @jamesbarels469
    @jamesbarels469 Год назад +1

    This sort of knowledge is what I think can help people achieve a higher level of cooperation amongst human beings, with an ability to respect each individual. As Burrough put it in his "Words Of Advice For Young People", ""Interdependence" is the keyword, "enlightened interdependence, Life in all its rich variety, take a little, leave a little"
    Great work and I am also reminded of Bill Hicks opinion of those involved in marketing.

  • @michaelgrinnell8160
    @michaelgrinnell8160 Год назад +1

    Hi Benn, I love these videos! In your last video you mentioned about possible rabbit holes. I have always wondered about talent vs hard work, like why are some people born so talented at certain things. Is it just about passion or a people wired differently in that regard. We have all heard practice makes perfect, but is that enough? I drive my car every day but now I seem to have reached a level of compantancy and am no way a perfect driver, do we just get better up until a certain level? or is there a limit? Van Gough is a great example, he was not born talented but he worked incredibly hard and didn't start painting untill his late 20s. Thanks again for the great content!

  • @topofthemornintoya
    @topofthemornintoya Год назад

    Best video yet.
    Thank you Ben

  • @brawndothethirstmutilator9848
    @brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Год назад +1

    New sub here. You’re making some of the most unique content in this particular niche of YT. Keep it up my guy 👍

  • @damienlobb85
    @damienlobb85 Год назад

    I love your videos Benn

  • @troymckaskle
    @troymckaskle 5 месяцев назад

    Very insightful. Thanks!

  • @brmbkl
    @brmbkl Год назад +1

    The visual aids (showing what hunting really comprises) really helped. Very educational! :-)

  • @KritchieXX
    @KritchieXX Год назад

    Your work is just banger after banger Benn! No matter the varied subject matter of your videos, I am always so engaged and walk away with a new perspective or something learnt. Bravo!
    Just out of curiosity (pun intended), have you considered getting involved with Nebula streaming? I'm not sure what that would involve exactly, but in my opinion, your work would sit quite at home on the platform. You're an incredible communicator and educator, so just from a selfish perspective, I'd love to see your videos on there one day. From watching your videos for a while now, I don't get the feeling you'd hold back on subject or perspective due to it being 'RUclips unfriendly', but after the piracy video last week I got wondering what a Benn Jordan Nebula exclusive video might cover. But writing this, I realise the answer is probably on your Patreon.

  • @danielpirone8028
    @danielpirone8028 Год назад

    Thank you for another fantastic and thoughtful video!

  • @williamthazard
    @williamthazard Год назад

    beautiful video. Thanks for this. Based on the criteria you specify toward the end, I’d say it was definitely a success

  • @ryanaiden
    @ryanaiden 8 месяцев назад

    Despite your comment at the end about the algorithm, it was still recommended to me and I’m extremely glad it was indeed! That was a perfectly balanced and captivating video man! The flow was great and I didn’t feel distracted at all 🙌

  • @pyanek
    @pyanek Год назад +7

    Benn, I don't know how possible it is but it would be incredible if you made a whole video dedicated to what you said at the end about political parties ('they invent non-issues to divide us and invent third-party antagonists to unite us'). I feel this is something that the world needs to know about, with examples, in-depth proof of how they work, how they manipulate, and more on our cognitive biases. I really believe enlightenment over this has the potential to change the course of humanity...

    • @gatorgoforth3097
      @gatorgoforth3097 Год назад +1

      BBC has a four part documentary called The Century Of Self which examines all this and more. It’s on RUclips!

    • @pyanek
      @pyanek Год назад

      @@gatorgoforth3097 well really I meant a Benn Jordan 2022 version of it hehe but from my perspective The Century Of Self has an agenda and a clear narrative. It actually says that governments were "forced" to manipulate people in order to prevent them from enacting their violent natural urges, so not only it installs a vision of mankind that is purely subjective and very one-dimensional, but it implied they act in our benefit, that they had our best interest at heart. I haven't watched it all though. It's weird as well how it shows mostly footage from way before the making of the documentary. It's almost as if it's saying it's a historic thing that no longer exists. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it though. I still think it says some interesting stuff!

    • @gatorgoforth3097
      @gatorgoforth3097 Год назад

      ​@@pyanek Please watch the whole thing. There is also a follow up documentary that focuses solely on governments.

    • @daryx.langdale
      @daryx.langdale 8 месяцев назад

      I should recommend reading Jonothan Haidt's The Righteous Mind. He's an evolutionary psychologist, and this book covers in very easy to read and fascinating detail how we develop a sense of right and wrong and how our emotional reasoning really works. There's a whole portion of the book dedicated to the emotional reasoning and voting behaviors of progressives vs conservatives. Much of what Benn covers in this video is discussed in that book.

  • @NUKELEDGE
    @NUKELEDGE Год назад

    Been waiting for this video for a while!

  • @ultimativePwnage
    @ultimativePwnage Год назад

    Thank you so much for this. Well put and well matured thoughts on a topic surrounding us all.

  • @orryfishburne5326
    @orryfishburne5326 Год назад

    Dude! Amazing video like usual

  • @DweedleDeeDweedleDoo
    @DweedleDeeDweedleDoo 11 месяцев назад

    What a breath of fresh air, very glad I found this channel

  • @crud118
    @crud118 Год назад +1

    I've been waiting for this one

  • @DogdaySunrise
    @DogdaySunrise Год назад +4

    brand loyalty to >Benn Jordan< increased

  • @LPjank015
    @LPjank015 Год назад

    You are awesome. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

  • @ga1actic_muffin
    @ga1actic_muffin Год назад +1

    i hope more people discover your brilliant music through this channel. been a fan since 2010

  • @deniscadieux1676
    @deniscadieux1676 10 месяцев назад

    I discovered your channel by accident, but also interest with your video on the Beringher controversy. . Love everything you put out! Very entertaining. Keep up the good work. How about doing a video on your take on Dolby Atmos or immersive audio? Or maybe you did and my brain is like a sive.