Two things I picked up from this episode. Steve Austin is a man of principle. If you betray his trust, he won’t trust you again. And Bret Hart is truly the excellence of execution in the way he manufactured the WM 13 match with the blood spot.
It's somewhat funny about Bret that even though he was the babyface he was the one who came up with the harsh spots in matches... He was the one who told Nash to sent him crashing through a table to have some heel heat on him
Totally agree the emotions were so high that year between America vs Canada or the world for that matter. People forget no matter were the Hart Foundation went they were the heels in the US but in the rest of the world they were the faces. It couldn't have been planned better. It truly is the most underrated year for WWE. Look that year compared to now.
I was just watching the wrestle mania match and Austin goes to put the sharpshooter on King: can you imagine if he tapped out to the sharpshooter ? Vince: it may just happen It was planned all along
@Keke Despacito Notice how there wasn't any explicit Mcmahon impressions? Or any Jarrett(father or son) impressions since Jeff is on the staff now? I'm obviously still listening, but still very happy for Bruce.
That story about Owen never calling Steve following the neck injury surprises me. Hearing all the stories about what a stand up guy Owen is it doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think is that Owen was so ashamed that he just couldn't. I'm not sure. Do have fond memories of 97 in wrestling. A great year for both companies.
Yeah I’m sure that’s all it was. How do you apologize for breaking a guys neck anyways (I mean you should obviously). I know I’ve done things I wasn’t proud of and my reaction to it was worse than the act itself and trying to explain why you reacted the way you did is just unexplainable. I think I understand what Owen was feeling and it certainly wasn’t that he didn’t care or didn’t feel bad.
Man when I was 11 years old, I absolutely loved the Stone Cold and Savio Vega feud, lol. I know it was a year prior, but that Caribbean strap match was my shit!!!
In a way yes. Many people think Austin pushed Bret out, which as a kid is kind of how I felt, but nowadays realize that it's just cause the angle worked like it was supposed to. Bret was so good at realism people believe his character was a shoot from the moment he lost at WM12. It was the WWF who decided to give Bret the angle of complaining about being screwed in his matches which turned the crowd against him (and maybe Vince even worked Bret by making him believe this angle would work for him as a babyfaces). I believe Vince knew Shawn didn't wanna work with Bret and planned on turning him heel from the get go when he decided to come back. For some reason when people talk about Bret (particularly this timeframe) they forget the whole thing is and was a work, and Bret worked everybody (even many of the boys ).
RASSSLIIIIIINNN! Good Gawd almighty. I'm in Houston, Tx againe. I know i saw Bruce Prichard this time at the Flying J truck stop in Baytown, Tx. I was in line for some pizza and pop. Got my load for the weekend from Baytown, Tx to Detroit, Mi. Gonna listen to some Cold Stone Steve Austin while i drive my semi tractor.
There's an irony in the brothers Hart giving Austin the highest and lowest points in his career; without Bret, Austin would not have gone over the way he did, and without Owen, his career would have lasted far longer than it did.
It's far more than that WWF success in retrospect is mostly a comedy of errors You need HBK to get rid of Bret Hart You need Taker to get rid of HBK That stops either of those two snoozers getting in the way of SCSA, Rock, and Mankind Owen hart breaking Austin's neck gets him out of the way when he was starting to get stale for Rock to become face.
I have to say Stone Cold's the reason I started Loving wrestling, man there's something about that music when that glass breaks and he comes out I just want to whoop somebody's ass lol, the greatest ever hands down
Austin didn't have a submission hold finisher for Wrestlemania 13? What about the million dollar dream sleeper hold he used at the end of the Survivor Series 1996 match with Bret Hart?
Been waiting since Bruce & Conrads first ever episode for them to cover Stone Colds 1997-2000 run. If you think Austin 3:16 is the goat gimme a HELL YEAH!!!
Loved on one of the first Austin podcasts where Conrad wanted Bruce to reply in a Steve voice but Bruce thought Conrad just called him Steve by mistake. Where is that clip now!? So funny
I heard that Martel was originally planned to win the IC title that was abandoned by Shawn Michaels in the fall of 93.. I would like to hear how they decided to change everything at the last minute and go with Razor who still hadn't proved to be championship material worthy at that time
Every time people try to compare Becky to Austin it really annoys me, it's just pandering to the fullest when it comes to women. Just listen to the pops he got and asses in seats this man did. No comparison.
There were 2 guys in the 90s that were career makers. 1. The undertaker 2. Bret Hart. If either of those guys put you over, you were legitimatized immediately.
Mitch The Barber Austin owned rock to the point he just gave the ic title to rock because he was chasing hbk for the wwf title so basically he was a afterthought to Austin. Foley at that rumble match made the rock look badass and sadistic, after that match I think people took rock seriously because before that people was skeptical if rock was ready for the main event scene
So knowing that what made Stone Cold over as a face was his edge why now that KO is face he acts as a face... You have a modern day Austin if booked right.
@Troy Staunton I lived threw 97 as a bret fan and constantly rewatch that year as its one of my favorite years of wrestling. I backed Bret then and I back him now!
@@yuedar it might have been justified but its still whining and people don't like whining and complaining especially when you have a guy like Austin who is being an anti hero bad ass. Back then people were getting bored of the traditional baby face characters anyway that's why the fans started to prefer Austin over Brett.
Yeah it was the Million Dollar Dream, supposedly taught to Austin by DiBiase when he was Austin's mentor at the beginning of 1996 before DiBiase went to WCW.
At King of the Ring Austin had a way bigger reaction from the crowd. He was a considerably hotter Babyface by that point than Michaels to the point where I think the wwf was intentionally muting Austin's reactions
Me and my friends were never THAT much into Austin. We are Canadian and we were 100% "Team Hart Foundation" in 1997. So we were huge WWF fans, but we often took Mr McMahon's side during the Attitude Era :)
1:18:45. no it was not the worst stunner in history. Actually Vince took the stunner very well due to the fact he took it like an owner would and not a wrestler. Would it make any sense for an owner to do a back body drop like a wrestler would when they get the stunner? no it wouldn't. So for example if you walked into a pizza hut and stunned the owner would they take it like vince or do what a wrestler does? (waits for the part where they say vince is a wrestler and not an owner)
Company Bruce pushing company champ Brock as a likable baby face #knewit sellout hahaha another great podcast. This was around the peak in my childhood wrestling fanhood
The ambulance thing is up there with NWO parody of the 4 horsemen, Hogan turning heel and Pillmans got a gun, as the most memorable moments of that era.
The Stone Cold/Brian Pillman fued was great. Could you imagine if the WWE did the Pillman has a gun storyline today? People would loose their minds, not to mention that the national media would have a field day with it. There would be a huge witch hunt out for Vince. That's what kills me about the media & how they overreact to things. The Pillman storyline with the gun is no different than a TV show or A movie doing the same thing.
Brett Hart could never understand why Stone Cold was so popular. He said that people shouldn't root for a character like Stone Cold's character. For some reason it really bothered him. He said in his documentary "Wrestling With Shadows" that's when he knew his time with the (@ the time) the WWF had come to an end. Brett took everything so serious. What's to be upset about? It sounds to me that he was more upset because he was losing his fans to Stone Cold.
This was a great episode. Steve Austin had a great 1997 that was almost off the trail cause of the accident at Summerslam 1997. This might be a sleeper episode cause to many fans, Steve really didnt do much in 1997 expect help kick start the Monday Night War. I know they said Vince taking the stunner was wrong, I have to disagree. There are a case of where the Stunner was way worse. Donald Trump at Wrestlemania 23. He didn't sell the shit out of it. Was up in 5 seconds. I can't wait until next week when they discuss Wrestlemania 20. That is a Wrestlemania where I wanted to be a fly in the creative room on that road.
Joseph Boza 1997 is a year where much is glossed over besides the I Quit match and the botched Tombstone Piledriver, but it was really an incredible year for Austin that was amazing to watch because of the rapid ascent of Austin
I dont know how anyone can think HBK did more for the business than Bret Hart. Hart literally put his stamp and influenced the industry for generations to come. He's the Metallica of Metal, the Nirvana of Alternative. The Led Zeppelin of Rock. HBK was great, but he was so stuck on his own character he never contributed more than a few top singles here and there. This entire episode is about the greatest wrestling draw of all time ( merchandise included ) and they are mostly talking about how fucking amazing Bret is.
The fact you called Nirvana alternative when they're the face of grunge tells me you're not a 90s teen. I am more shocked they're trying to change the "alternative" definition to mean essentially all 90s rock. Alt Rock are the guys when grunge starts to die so essentially all the rock acts from 95/96 forward that weren't grunge, until rap metal shows up. Think Smash Mouth or Third eye Blind. Grunge is Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Either way we hated Bret Hart and HBK they both SUCKED! It was a blessing to VKM, SCSA, and WWF when they FINALLY were forced out of the main event in the late 90s. It was equally a blessing when SCSA had his neck broke otherwise Rock would never have risen to be a face. Hart/HBK's influence is obvious right now and the ratings are reflecting their legacy. Wrestling is a TV show in the end not an actual sport. I care more about the story than the stunts. Otherwise we'd talk about how great stuntmen are over actors. HBK/Hart are great fake fighters but lousy pro wrestlers, they lacked the it factor to connect to the mainstream crowd.
Personally, my favorite Austin run was the heel run that led up to the famous "double turn." Bruce says here that they didn't change the character after his face turn, but Austin 96' would've *never* turned to the crowd and said, "Give me a hell yeah!" As soon as he started doing stuff like that, my interest dropped off a bit. I still enjoyed the character, but, to me, he'd lost some of that edge he once had.
I'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but i always believed that Owen did that shit on purpose. He never called Steve. He never apologized. He just didn't seem to give a crap. I know Owens gone now but it doesn't change what happened. I truly think Owen was trying to steal Austin's heat by hurting Steve. But hey, just my opinion. 1:11:57
Bruce please don't go back this show is a million times better than anything we has done in a decade we don't want to lose this for that Steph and her "writers" have ruined week past the point of no return I was a mega fan so it's no pleasure to say that but it sux so bad to the point u can't even rage watch it this show corny and bischoff podcast are all that remains of anything good in wrestling we don't want to lose u to the vortex of suck that weekend has become
Bruce completely contradicts himself here when he says Vince fought against the idea of becoming the 'Mr McMahon' character, and that he resisted the initial confrontation with Austin storyline. I've heard Prichard say many a time that Vince's childhood dream was to be a talent; "he loved being that despised heel"; "he loved performing" Prichard said recently. So which is it?!
Btw the Mr McMahon character was my favourite character throughout the attitude era. I absolutely loved him and thought he delivered every sentence perfectly. His comedic timing was second to none in my opinion.
@@neilsun2521 I think it's both. It's been said a younger Vince wanted to wrestle but Macmahon Sr. forbit it. So by the time Vince was running things he had it engrained into his head that the owner shouldn't mix it up with the talent. Now the owner is taking tv time away from the boys but it was too damn good to not run with it.
I missed 13 because looking back putting the belt on Shawn lost my 12 year old mind and it was alllllll wcw nwo. 13 was crazy because wwf was getting worked over so they went with more gimmicks. But watching it on the network now I see I missed a great show.
I was at raw when hbk and stone cold won the titles. That was also when Lawler went crazy promo on Golddust and Paul bearer said Kane is alive!!!!! Crazy to believe that was all on one raw
136:00 nah this was right after montreal so vince did this because this was brets idea of how to drop the title before leaving for wcw...and vince said it was too dumb to do yet did it here 😆
I'm a huge wrestling fan so I mean no disrespect when I say this but I always enjoy how people like to say back before the internet people weren't smartened up. "Steves doctor wasn't smartened up." OK Bruce lmao. A 10 year old kid could tell it was a work back in 1950 and you are telling me a grown man smart enough to become a doctor thought it was real in 1997? Everyone.... please, just stop with that talk. Randy Orton said it best when he said if you can't tell it's fake when someone throws someone towards the ropes and the person continues like they can't stop you are a fool. EVERYONE knows its a show Bruce and we all new long before the internet lol. Geez. We are not Chimpanzees bro we evolved a long time ago. I'm begging people to stop with that talk because it makes you seem like you are trying to work us in what should be a shoot interview. You know damn well Austins doctor did not believe wrestling was a real shoot match. C'mon man.
I wonder if Vince McMahon is gonna pay Bruce to no-show the rest of Conrad's live events? Bruce 3:16 says I just ditched your ass for a whole bunch of money. He'll kayfabe it, I'm sure.
The King of the Attitude Era and the biggest Draw in pro wrestling, The Texas Rattle Snake Stone Steve Austin, because that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold Said So!!....316 said I just whipped your ass, Give me a hell yeah!!!🐍🐍🐍💀💀💀💀
Two things I picked up from this episode. Steve Austin is a man of principle. If you betray his trust, he won’t trust you again. And Bret Hart is truly the excellence of execution in the way he manufactured the WM 13 match with the blood spot.
It's somewhat funny about Bret that even though he was the babyface he was the one who came up with the harsh spots in matches... He was the one who told Nash to sent him crashing through a table to have some heel heat on him
Regina Reece Bret’s the first guy to make crashing through the table look cool!
@@Nostalgicguy2242 cause he knew those things were good business
WHAT!? What? What?
If you wanna hear a Stone Cold guest spot on this podcast gimme a HELL YEAH!
How about they go on Steve's podcast
*Starts at **6:00*
MVP
Thank you!
97 was such an underrated year for WWF just because of WCW's ratings. Such a great year and one of my favorite years
Was def the best year of wrestling for both companies in my opinion.
Totally agree the emotions were so high that year between America vs Canada or the world for that matter. People forget no matter were the Hart Foundation went they were the heels in the US but in the rest of the world they were the faces. It couldn't have been planned better. It truly is the most underrated year for WWE. Look that year compared to now.
Agreed. My view was always 1997 > 1998. You had enough Attitude era styled stuff, but good wrestling, great feuds, and Austin before the neck injury.
Nothing says "the weekend is here" like STW Friday's
Absolutely!!!
I totally agree
Without question
Badass show, wish yall did 97 to 2000 but seperating them will lead to awesome shows longterm
Stone Cold! Stone Cold! Stone Cold! Stone Cold! (JR's head explodes)
HE'S THE TOUGHEST SON OF A *enter shotgun blast sound* THAT I EVER SAW!!!"
This is one of my favorite JR moments. ❤
Bruce's reply to the very first question: "I don't remember." Lolololol
Finally, the holy grail of Wwf subjects
"Who wants to see a wheelchair match?!"
- Stone Cold Steve Austin, 1997
I was just watching the wrestle mania match and Austin goes to put the sharpshooter on
King: can you imagine if he tapped out to the sharpshooter ?
Vince: it may just happen
It was planned all along
IT WAS PLANNED ALL ALONG!
(A decade later)
YOU DESERVED TO BE SCREWED!
Like Conrad, 1997 is my favorite year in wrestling and my favorite version of stone cold. Great episode thanks guys👍🏾
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You're welcome.
The bottom line starts at 6:00.
Papa bless🙌
Thank you for your service soldier
The hero every video comment section needs
"WHAT?!"
This will be his first episode as "Corporate Bruce". Very interesting
But Bruce has been back with WWE for a couple weeks now. Doesn't that make this the second?
@Keke Despacito Notice how there wasn't any explicit Mcmahon impressions? Or any Jarrett(father or son) impressions since Jeff is on the staff now? I'm obviously still listening, but still very happy for Bruce.
@Keke Despacito Should have said first full episode since they addressed it. they only addressed it at the end of the last episode.
jacobcook7 maybe because the recent episodes don’t relate to the Jarretts or Conrad doesn’t ask for a McMahon impression?
It’s sad when you think Bret is the only one still alive from that Calgary Stampede team.
88smjls Yeah half the guys who were in that match are gone now.
@@tomnagy3010 more than Half
Austin, Hart, Shamrock, Goldust are left
That story about Owen never calling Steve following the neck injury surprises me. Hearing all the stories about what a stand up guy Owen is it doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think is that Owen was so ashamed that he just couldn't. I'm not sure. Do have fond memories of 97 in wrestling. A great year for both companies.
Yeah I’m sure that’s all it was. How do you apologize for breaking a guys neck anyways (I mean you should obviously). I know I’ve done things I wasn’t proud of and my reaction to it was worse than the act itself and trying to explain why you reacted the way you did is just unexplainable. I think I understand what Owen was feeling and it certainly wasn’t that he didn’t care or didn’t feel bad.
"Put a S in front of HITMAN and thats what I think of Bret Hart"
Classic.
And that was 1996!
I love that line.😂
The survivor series 96"pink tights" is the GOAT of ppv promos
I remember watching that when he said it. Great stuff.
If the Wrestlemania match had not had blood, it would have rated so much lower. Bret made a phenomenal call.
Fuck dude tell McMahon to bring back blood already!!
Man when I was 11 years old, I absolutely loved the Stone Cold and Savio Vega feud, lol. I know it was a year prior, but that Caribbean strap match was my shit!!!
That's still one of my favorite WWF matches to this day. It takes two tough sumbitches to do that match, let alone TWICE.
you from the Caribbeans?
I wanna tell you a story about a man named Stone Cold Steve Austin
Rolled in to Dallas Texas...
Rschr101 Stormed into the ring....
If you’re watching this and haven’t seen either or both of the Hart Austin PPV matches... you don’t know what the attitude era is.
He kicked it off. There's a lot more appreciation for the Attitude Era if you watch from Bret Hart's comeback up to 1998.
Bret Hart never gets enough credit for getting Austin over as much as he did.
He doesn't? I always thought he got tons of praise for it.
What the fuck? How does he not get credit when the Austin Hart feud is what they always talk about first?
In a way yes. Many people think Austin pushed Bret out, which as a kid is kind of how I felt, but nowadays realize that it's just cause the angle worked like it was supposed to. Bret was so good at realism people believe his character was a shoot from the moment he lost at WM12. It was the WWF who decided to give Bret the angle of complaining about being screwed in his matches which turned the crowd against him (and maybe Vince even worked Bret by making him believe this angle would work for him as a babyfaces). I believe Vince knew Shawn didn't wanna work with Bret and planned on turning him heel from the get go when he decided to come back.
For some reason when people talk about Bret (particularly this timeframe) they forget the whole thing is and was a work, and Bret worked everybody (even many of the boys ).
Austin always puts Bret over to the moon even calling him one of his favorite wrestlers to work with.
But does Austin get the credit for jump starting Bret's career comeback?
RASSSLIIIIIINNN! Good Gawd almighty. I'm in Houston, Tx againe. I know i saw Bruce Prichard this time at the Flying J truck stop in Baytown, Tx. I was in line for some pizza and pop. Got my load for the weekend from Baytown, Tx to Detroit, Mi. Gonna listen to some Cold Stone Steve Austin while i drive my semi tractor.
They start talking about Stone Cold around the 6 min mark or so
Poor Owen, his last 2 years were really tough
What happened in 98 ?
There's an irony in the brothers Hart giving Austin the highest and lowest points in his career; without Bret, Austin would not have gone over the way he did, and without Owen, his career would have lasted far longer than it did.
Excellent point I've never looked at it like that before
It's far more than that WWF success in retrospect is mostly a comedy of errors
You need HBK to get rid of Bret Hart
You need Taker to get rid of HBK
That stops either of those two snoozers getting in the way of SCSA, Rock, and Mankind
Owen hart breaking Austin's neck gets him out of the way when he was starting to get stale for Rock to become face.
I have to say Stone Cold's the reason I started Loving wrestling, man there's something about that music when that glass breaks and he comes out I just want to whoop somebody's ass lol, the greatest ever hands down
Austin didn't have a submission hold finisher for Wrestlemania 13? What about the million dollar dream sleeper hold he used at the end of the Survivor Series 1996 match with Bret Hart?
In WCW he used a modified standing figure four, my kids will say it hurts like hell.
James Osborne 🤣😂😆
Been waiting since Bruce & Conrads first ever episode for them to cover Stone Colds 1997-2000 run. If you think Austin 3:16 is the goat gimme a HELL YEAH!!!
Austin is Awesome but John Cena is the GOAT
HELL YEAH
Cena is a load that should have been swallowed. Wish we really couldn't see his dumb ass.
@@RomanKlein414 Stone Cold literally kept WWE from tanking.
Loved on one of the first Austin podcasts where Conrad wanted Bruce to reply in a Steve voice but Bruce thought Conrad just called him Steve by mistake. Where is that clip now!? So funny
the final four was one of my favorite matches of all time as well
I'd like to see you guys discuss Rick The Model or Bam Bam
I heard that Martel was originally planned to win the IC title that was abandoned by Shawn Michaels in the fall of 93.. I would like to hear how they decided to change everything at the last minute and go with Razor who still hadn't proved to be championship material worthy at that time
1997 is my favorite year in wwe history!!! Can’t wait to go back and watch wrestlemania 13
Every time people try to compare Becky to Austin it really annoys me, it's just pandering to the fullest when it comes to women. Just listen to the pops he got and asses in seats this man did. No comparison.
Ok the greatest podcast talking bout the greatest wwe character ever!
U mean the rock
@@Super122291 rock was never on Austins level
Give me a Hellyeah if you're finally excited ready to listen to stories about the Texas Raddlesnack in long form!!!
@Julio Romero I'm glad the comment section gives you a way to vent all that anger you have built up from being touched by your third step father
@Julio Romero Fuck you asshat go be a bitch somewhere else.
@Julio Romero Still at it a week later? Huh. I can only imagine how unhappy of a person you are
"Raddlesnack" Lmao
This'll be great but I'm more looking forward to Wrestlemania 20 next week!
No you're not.
Wrestlemania 20 is a very underrated mania
@Craig Smith You.
Craig Smith fuck of
@@Njbear7453 Only because Benoit won the belt that year at Mania
There were 2 guys in the 90s that were career makers. 1. The undertaker 2. Bret Hart. If either of those guys put you over, you were legitimatized immediately.
What about mick Foley Mitch
THE GOOD GUY I don’t recall anybody’s career being made after facing Mick Foley in the 90s.
Mitch The Barber he made the rocks career in that I quit match rumble 99 remember?
THE GOOD GUY the rock was already established by that point. He’d already been feuding with Austin for the IC belt and had a heavy main event push.
Mitch The Barber Austin owned rock to the point he just gave the ic title to rock because he was chasing hbk for the wwf title so basically he was a afterthought to Austin. Foley at that rumble match made the rock look badass and sadistic, after that match I think people took rock seriously because before that people was skeptical if rock was ready for the main event scene
What is the "she pooted" thing about? I must have missed that one.
Pretty sure they’re talking about sunny farting in her porn.
Definitely the Sunny porn. Ewwwwwww
Mentally Awakened it’s really not worth watching just take my word on it
maybe now that Bruce is back home, we can get less of these Facebook ads lol
Ohhhh HELL YEAH!! I've been looking forward to this episode for a long, long time!
97 was the best year for wrestling. Wwf wcw ecw were firing off on all cylinders
I love when Bruce does Terry Funk. Funk, Cornette, and the dream are his best impressions.
Dude. His cornette impression is terrible. Anyone can do it with no practice. Its his vince mcmahon impression thats top notch
1997 was a strong year for the WWF
So knowing that what made Stone Cold over as a face was his edge why now that KO is face he acts as a face... You have a modern day Austin if booked right.
sick of bret as the babyface? WRONG!!!!
Fans were getting tired of Brett constantly whining just go back and watch his proms from that time.
@@Godeater13273 but it was all justified whining and any true fan of his should of had his back up until the anti america stuff
@Troy Staunton I lived threw 97 as a bret fan and constantly rewatch that year as its one of my favorite years of wrestling. I backed Bret then and I back him now!
@@yuedar it might have been justified but its still whining and people don't like whining and complaining especially when you have a guy like Austin who is being an anti hero bad ass. Back then people were getting bored of the traditional baby face characters anyway that's why the fans started to prefer Austin over Brett.
The whining was a work.
But he DID have a submission. He’d been using it for a year! It’s what he was using on Bret four months before when he lost at SS.
Yeah it was the Million Dollar Dream, supposedly taught to Austin by DiBiase when he was Austin's mentor at the beginning of 1996 before DiBiase went to WCW.
Poor research
How did they not get that right? I barely know about the time before Stone Cold got hot. But I even know about the million dollar dream.
Great show. Love you guys thanks for awesome content 👏👏👏👍👍🤘🤘🤘✌️
At King of the Ring Austin had a way bigger reaction from the crowd. He was a considerably hotter Babyface by that point than Michaels to the point where I think the wwf was intentionally muting Austin's reactions
I doubt that but it was obvious HBK and Hart sucked ass.
Too bad the zoomers didn't have the backbone of the Millennials to kill off Cena and RKO.
Me and my friends were never THAT much into Austin. We are Canadian and we were 100% "Team Hart Foundation" in 1997. So we were huge WWF fans, but we often took Mr McMahon's side during the Attitude Era :)
1:18:45. no it was not the worst stunner in history. Actually Vince took the stunner very well due to the fact he took it like an owner would and not a wrestler. Would it make any sense for an owner to do a back body drop like a wrestler would when they get the stunner? no it wouldn't. So for example if you walked into a pizza hut and stunned the owner would they take it like vince or do what a wrestler does? (waits for the part where they say vince is a wrestler and not an owner)
I agree with you on that, but the fish flop sell on his back afterwards always cracks me up
Donald Trump was the worst stunner ever. For obvious reasons.
Company Bruce pushing company champ Brock as a likable baby face #knewit sellout hahaha another great podcast. This was around the peak in my childhood wrestling fanhood
The ambulance thing is up there with NWO parody of the 4 horsemen, Hogan turning heel and Pillmans got a gun, as the most memorable moments of that era.
The Stone Cold/Brian Pillman fued was great. Could you imagine if the WWE did the Pillman has a gun storyline today? People would loose their minds, not to mention that the national media would have a field day with it. There would be a huge witch hunt out for Vince. That's what kills me about the media & how they overreact to things. The Pillman storyline with the gun is no different than a TV show or A movie doing the same thing.
michael forsythe instead kofi is wwe champion and Seth Rollins is world champion WTF 😴
Why is 1997 only an 1hr and 40 something minutes....
Not good for me Brother I'll be watching the megasodes
Omg YEs!!! How is this not 5 hours long ?
It's only one year.
jacobcook7 a lot a lot happened in this year
Matt Moon Corporate Bruce.
Brett Hart could never understand why Stone Cold was so popular. He said that people shouldn't root for a character like Stone Cold's character. For some reason it really bothered him. He said in his documentary "Wrestling With Shadows" that's when he knew his time with the (@ the time) the WWF had come to an end. Brett took everything so serious. What's to be upset about? It sounds to me that he was more upset because he was losing his fans to Stone Cold.
He’s done it so many times you can now call the “White Rhino” story spot.
The original WM 13 plan was for Austin Vs. British Bulldog.
Proof?
Wait so he’s doing 1997 only? I thought it was 97-00?
They do major detail, hard to cover a 3 year period in depth.
This was a great episode. Steve Austin had a great 1997 that was almost off the trail cause of the accident at Summerslam 1997. This might be a sleeper episode cause to many fans, Steve really didnt do much in 1997 expect help kick start the Monday Night War. I know they said Vince taking the stunner was wrong, I have to disagree. There are a case of where the Stunner was way worse. Donald Trump at Wrestlemania 23. He didn't sell the shit out of it. Was up in 5 seconds. I can't wait until next week when they discuss Wrestlemania 20. That is a Wrestlemania where I wanted to be a fly in the creative room on that road.
Joseph Boza 1997 is a year where much is glossed over besides the I Quit match and the botched Tombstone Piledriver, but it was really an incredible year for Austin that was amazing to watch because of the rapid ascent of Austin
Whose theme is that at 4:00?
Austin’s old Ringmaster theme from when he first came to the WWF in 1996
@@guyincognito5706 Makes sense. Thanks!
Didn't even ask why bret vs Austin wasn't main event at wm13 and not for the title. Why didn't Austin beat bret clean in there 3rd match?
I dont know how anyone can think HBK did more for the business than Bret Hart. Hart literally put his stamp and influenced the industry for generations to come. He's the Metallica of Metal, the Nirvana of Alternative. The Led Zeppelin of Rock. HBK was great, but he was so stuck on his own character he never contributed more than a few top singles here and there.
This entire episode is about the greatest wrestling draw of all time ( merchandise included ) and they are mostly talking about how fucking amazing Bret is.
The fact you called Nirvana alternative when they're the face of grunge tells me you're not a 90s teen. I am more shocked they're trying to change the "alternative" definition to mean essentially all 90s rock. Alt Rock are the guys when grunge starts to die so essentially all the rock acts from 95/96 forward that weren't grunge, until rap metal shows up. Think Smash Mouth or Third eye Blind. Grunge is Pearl Jam and Nirvana.
Either way we hated Bret Hart and HBK they both SUCKED! It was a blessing to VKM, SCSA, and WWF when they FINALLY were forced out of the main event in the late 90s. It was equally a blessing when SCSA had his neck broke otherwise Rock would never have risen to be a face.
Hart/HBK's influence is obvious right now and the ratings are reflecting their legacy. Wrestling is a TV show in the end not an actual sport. I care more about the story than the stunts. Otherwise we'd talk about how great stuntmen are over actors.
HBK/Hart are great fake fighters but lousy pro wrestlers, they lacked the it factor to connect to the mainstream crowd.
Bret screwed Bret
@Dante Carroll he did tho. The biggest Bret Hart mark is was and always will be Bret Hart himself. LOL
Did they mention King Kong Bundy in the beginning?
Funny how Bret "accidentally" bled at Wrestlemania 8 and then later on at 13 another "accident". Unless Sid had an "accident" of his own.
Personally, my favorite Austin run was the heel run that led up to the famous "double turn." Bruce says here that they didn't change the character after his face turn, but Austin 96' would've *never* turned to the crowd and said, "Give me a hell yeah!" As soon as he started doing stuff like that, my interest dropped off a bit. I still enjoyed the character, but, to me, he'd lost some of that edge he once had.
To me, it was more a sign of the crowd turning and coming along with Austin than vice versa
I'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but i always believed that Owen did that shit on purpose. He never called Steve. He never apologized. He just didn't seem to give a crap. I know Owens gone now but it doesn't change what happened. I truly think Owen was trying to steal Austin's heat by hurting Steve. But hey, just my opinion. 1:11:57
That would. be pretty risk, attempted murder..idk
Bruce please don't go back this show is a million times better than anything we has done in a decade we don't want to lose this for that Steph and her "writers" have ruined week past the point of no return I was a mega fan so it's no pleasure to say that but it sux so bad to the point u can't even rage watch it this show corny and bischoff podcast are all that remains of anything good in wrestling we don't want to lose u to the vortex of suck that weekend has become
Bruce completely contradicts himself here when he says Vince fought against the idea of becoming the 'Mr McMahon' character, and that he resisted the initial confrontation with Austin storyline. I've heard Prichard say many a time that Vince's childhood dream was to be a talent; "he loved being that despised heel"; "he loved performing" Prichard said recently. So which is it?!
Btw the Mr McMahon character was my favourite character throughout the attitude era. I absolutely loved him and thought he delivered every sentence perfectly. His comedic timing was second to none in my opinion.
@@neilsun2521 I think it's both. It's been said a younger Vince wanted to wrestle but Macmahon Sr. forbit it. So by the time Vince was running things he had it engrained into his head that the owner shouldn't mix it up with the talent. Now the owner is taking tv time away from the boys but it was too damn good to not run with it.
97 was as good a year in wrestling as there have ever been!! Miss those days!!
Could you do a podcast on King Kong Bundy?
Vince didn't take the worse stunner. His wife Linda took the worse one in history.
I agree.
lol how did they manage to do all that talk about the ambulance and forget to mention Austin attacking Bret in the ambulance?
JustMister13 I know right? I was waiting for that and NOTHING LOL
I missed 13 because looking back putting the belt on Shawn lost my 12 year old mind and it was alllllll wcw nwo. 13 was crazy because wwf was getting worked over so they went with more gimmicks. But watching it on the network now I see I missed a great show.
This one is gonna be good
I was at the Cold Day in Hell pay per view!!!! It was awesome!! 👍👍👍👍👍
Proof?
@@rackballjones6585 like what?
I was at raw when hbk and stone cold won the titles. That was also when Lawler went crazy promo on Golddust and Paul bearer said Kane is alive!!!!!
Crazy to believe that was all on one raw
136:00 nah this was right after montreal so vince did this because this was brets idea of how to drop the title before leaving for wcw...and vince said it was too dumb to do yet did it here 😆
Take a shot every time Bruce sniffles into the mic.
Well you know.....
DOOT DOOT DOOT
What
Huhhhhhh
I'm a huge wrestling fan so I mean no disrespect when I say this but I always enjoy how people like to say back before the internet people weren't smartened up. "Steves doctor wasn't smartened up." OK Bruce lmao. A 10 year old kid could tell it was a work back in 1950 and you are telling me a grown man smart enough to become a doctor thought it was real in 1997? Everyone.... please, just stop with that talk. Randy Orton said it best when he said if you can't tell it's fake when someone throws someone towards the ropes and the person continues like they can't stop you are a fool. EVERYONE knows its a show Bruce and we all new long before the internet lol. Geez. We are not Chimpanzees bro we evolved a long time ago. I'm begging people to stop with that talk because it makes you seem like you are trying to work us in what should be a shoot interview. You know damn well Austins doctor did not believe wrestling was a real shoot match. C'mon man.
I wonder if Vince McMahon is gonna pay Bruce to no-show the rest of Conrad's live events? Bruce 3:16 says I just ditched your ass for a whole bunch of money. He'll kayfabe it, I'm sure.
Good podcast
I swear Vince Russo is 100% the 1 guy who always gives a thumbs down. Either him or meltzer.
Forrest King no it’s me
damn conrad sounds LOBOTOMIZED in this episode
1:18:57...worst stunner in history?!? Uhhhh...Linda McMahon anyone?!
Don’t think many cared about Shawn til he turned heel and even that got old by WM 14
Do a show on the Dudley boyz
Or one on the rivalry between the Dudleys, Hardys and E+C
OWEN 3:16 "I JUST BROKE YOUR NECK"
Is Conrad drunk here?
what about my man stone cold E.t ?? Greeting from Buffalo ny
I love u Bruce but I think Vince signed him to creative to spite conrad and aew...what u guys think....I love stw 83 weeks and whw
Sorry but the worst stunner in history goes to linda!
He should have created a finish called the STONE COLD STRETCH like Cena had the F.U & S.T.F.U
Bruce are u going to still be able to do the podcast even though u got hired back from wwe on the creative team jw cause i really love this podcasts
Yes he is,they covered that at the end of last week's show,the podcasts will continue
I remember being 8 in 1997 and imitating stone cold at home just getting pumped for Monday raw.
Same lol...
The King of the Attitude Era and the biggest Draw in pro wrestling, The Texas Rattle Snake Stone Steve Austin, because that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold Said So!!....316 said I just whipped your ass, Give me a hell yeah!!!🐍🐍🐍💀💀💀💀
SHE POOTED