Nobody in their right mind "likes" Crusaders 💀 bro is a literal creature. Tons of better hpals out there too who you could've made that tribute to. Swifty's Pinky made me rofl irl pretty good though 🤣🤣
I hate all “has a X% chance to” stuff. Tie that % chance to STATS% so we can build around the % chance effects. “Has a chance equal to your Crit chance” “Has a chance equal to your Mastery” “Has a chance equal to your haste” START UTILIZING STATS MORE
Im going to assume you didnt play season 1 dragonflight because your comment screams it. The reason these set bonuses are boring as fuck is because they want gather data on hero talents and the new talent changes that are happening right now. its a lot easier to start off a season with minor tier bonuses while seeing how things shake up with new systems then to start with over complicated crazy tier bonuses and having to do a bunch of nerfs. Either way the wow community is gonna complain because thats the only IO score they keep maxed out For the logical and reasonable people who pay attention to dev trends S2 of the expansion should have better bonuses that do more class and spec things. I say this as someone who honestly thinks stats in wow are boring without things like armor pen, expertise, and other bonuses.
@@endofexistence2149 I did. Never ever said anything about set bonuses in my comment. I’m talking about everything in general like talents, proc effects etc. They need to utilize stats more like I said in my comment.
I'm really glad they're boring, some damage and haste around minions sounds so much better than "Death Coil and Epidemic damage increased by 10%. Casting Death Coil or Epidemic grants a stack of Master of Death, up to 20. Dark Transformation consumes Master of Death and grants 1% Mastery for each stack for 25 sec. Army of the Dead/Raise Abomination grants 20 stacks of Master of Death. When Death Coil or Epidemic consumes Sudden Doom gain 1 extra stacks of Master of Death and 10% Mastery for 6 sec." Really going to enjoy not needing a weakaura to track that BS
For the pres evoker question: There was a video on alpha that a capstone on pres tree was altered and the 4 piece season 1 & 4 Living Flame proc was cooked into the talent tree. It honestly needed to be something baseline for pres.
Love how hard capped assassinations damage is. Your dps is solely dependent on poison / bleed tic rate which will always leave assassin in the shadow of subtlety each and every time unless we get to single target a boss and don’t have to move around to just spam mutilate and envenom for like the 4th expansion in a row to be able to do damage outside of poisons and bleeds.
ret season one was very similar to war within season one but i guess not too bad can always use flat damage i like things simple on set bonuses so win i guess
Cant wait til release. Yes some tier sets are weird, overall nothing big and fancy, but i get that when introducing the hero talents aswell.. It kinda takes over. I think its a better direction they are moving into. Having tier sets be more of a "meh" thing that just passivly increases some abilties and not alter your gamestyle. Thats what talents should be for.. So whenever they work on something gameplay wise..They just need to tune talents, not talents AND tier sets, and to top it off you might have your gameplay change for each tier with new sets etc. Better to just give a new talent, and give people the choice of going in a new direction, or stay with the old
Hoping Aug becomes viable again. It was really fun for about 5 minutes, and in fact, I'd like to see Enhance Shaman take on more of a similar support role. Really hoping they are able to make marks hunter at least an A tier spec. I've abandoned hunter altogether in S4 because once again theyve nerfed the one "thing" it had into the ground making BM and Surv just better. Still thinking it will be a lock for Disc/Fist mains but who knows what the next update will hold lol.
Pressing fel dev is a death sentence sometimes you would only have 1 bounce back from death to 35% every 8 min and another 35% max hp from demon form. when you fell dev is for dps it hits 100k ish and when you send it its when the other team can easily 1 shot you so using it is a risk.
Been playing the beta, and the ramp up on Enhance shaman is very long. I'm not sure if it takes more than a minute for use to acceptable damage or if after our second set of wolves come out, we start doing scary damage. I'll do further testing after I get a working details.
the ww monk one is weird. you want to weave tiger palms in to get bigger blackout kicks. but now you also want to not weave in tiger palms just so you can get big tigerpalms ? this is very weird
pretty sure the 4pc set bonus wont change our rotation at all, you'll just passively get bigger tiger palms. The 2pc we may wanna play around a bit, like trying to have the buff up before using your highest burst abilities but I doubt it'll go much further than that
1 question. Does blizzard still keep the same nerf in dragon flight to TWW? For example, invigorating shadow dust vanish reduce all ability cd by 15/30s in dragon flight currently nerf by 50% in pvp only 7/15s. In TWW its only 10/20s in PVE, so does it also get nerf by 50% in pvp to only 5/10s? Or Blizzard remove all the nerf for new expansion?
Based on my experience, no. In Shadowlands this has been covered by Venruki, Supa and I think Cdew has talked about that also. Maybe that's not the case anymore, but up to Shadowlands, nerfs to abilities got carried out to the newest expansions instead of them just completely deleting the nerf and tunning the ability's output afterwards. eg. Glacial Spike and Comet Storm got nerfed in Legion and only unnerfed towards the end of Shadowlands.
Yeah they said they were busy on other classes so they kinda just threw together Totemic real quick for resto/enhance cause they ran out of time on more important classes. That's not verbatim but it's essentially what I derived.
Is 5:09 code for Blizz can't balance the hero talents/ teir bonus properly, so to make one of the big xpact selling features look good they just gutted tier bonuses. clowns in the comments be like AND THATS A GOOD THING
But frost can’t even do big one shot on the beta lmfaoooo. Their damage is so low with cool downs active on top of everyone HP is like 9000k+. U barely hit 500k, let alone 900k lmaooo
The 8% damage to all minions is really only going to effect the horseman, you'll be able to summon everything as san'layn. The haste portion will be easy to stack as well outside of horseman. I'm not really that concerned honestly.
Demon hunters chaos strike 25% chance of resetting blade dance? What a shit show. Can they stop riding DHs so much? Nothin else got that kind of thing in their tier sets. Bliz is going downhill.
“Make or break your class” what a stupid take. These are season 1 tier sets and they have said they won’t do anything that would make thing’s complicated.
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Cries in "F tier hero shaman", made me laugh but also made me realize it's a lost cause. They just don't care about enhance.
Legend 😂
Frost mage is 13:32, thank you tho❤
@@fardeco998 thank you
Nobody in their right mind "likes" Crusaders 💀 bro is a literal creature. Tons of better hpals out there too who you could've made that tribute to.
Swifty's Pinky made me rofl irl pretty good though 🤣🤣
Sir Supatease, thank you for all the content.
I hate all “has a X% chance to” stuff.
Tie that % chance to STATS% so we can build around the % chance effects.
“Has a chance equal to your Crit chance”
“Has a chance equal to your Mastery”
“Has a chance equal to your haste”
START UTILIZING STATS MORE
Im going to assume you didnt play season 1 dragonflight because your comment screams it. The reason these set bonuses are boring as fuck is because they want gather data on hero talents and the new talent changes that are happening right now. its a lot easier to start off a season with minor tier bonuses while seeing how things shake up with new systems then to start with over complicated crazy tier bonuses and having to do a bunch of nerfs.
Either way the wow community is gonna complain because thats the only IO score they keep maxed out
For the logical and reasonable people who pay attention to dev trends S2 of the expansion should have better bonuses that do more class and spec things.
I say this as someone who honestly thinks stats in wow are boring without things like armor pen, expertise, and other bonuses.
@@endofexistence2149 I did. Never ever said anything about set bonuses in my comment. I’m talking about everything in general like talents, proc effects etc. They need to utilize stats more like I said in my comment.
You can always count on supa to give the accurate info. Love this guy.
I'm really glad they're boring, some damage and haste around minions sounds so much better than "Death Coil and Epidemic damage increased by 10%. Casting Death Coil or Epidemic grants a stack of Master of Death, up to 20. Dark Transformation consumes Master of Death and grants 1% Mastery for each stack for 25 sec. Army of the Dead/Raise Abomination grants 20 stacks of Master of Death. When Death Coil or Epidemic consumes Sudden Doom gain 1 extra stacks of Master of Death and 10% Mastery for 6 sec."
Really going to enjoy not needing a weakaura to track that BS
Meanwhile, the Mistwevaer tier set from Dragonflight has been turned into a talent...I hate it so much.
LOL
For the pres evoker question: There was a video on alpha that a capstone on pres tree was altered and the 4 piece season 1 & 4 Living Flame proc was cooked into the talent tree. It honestly needed to be something baseline for pres.
Love how hard capped assassinations damage is. Your dps is solely dependent on poison / bleed tic rate which will always leave assassin in the shadow of subtlety each and every time unless we get to single target a boss and don’t have to move around to just spam mutilate and envenom for like the 4th expansion in a row to be able to do damage outside of poisons and bleeds.
Disappointed that disc priest tier looks so much better than holy priest
They actually fuckin HATE Rsham lol
Ele Aswell . Enhance seems okayish
ret season one was very similar to war within season one but i guess not too bad can always use flat damage i like things simple on set bonuses so win i guess
I’m stoked for ret! Actual gameplay changes. Going to be fun I hope 🤞
@Gunship888 yea I wanted Templar to be the one but looks like herald of the sun got our back 💪🏿
ShadowDance is for Sub only in the next xpac. So not sure the outlaw tier is as good as you think.
Pretty sure they're giving you more vanishes the compensate it's just a way to reduce keybinds.
Cant wait til release.
Yes some tier sets are weird, overall nothing big and fancy, but i get that when introducing the hero talents aswell.. It kinda takes over.
I think its a better direction they are moving into.
Having tier sets be more of a "meh" thing that just passivly increases some abilties and not alter your gamestyle.
Thats what talents should be for.. So whenever they work on something gameplay wise..They just need to tune talents, not talents AND tier sets, and to top it off you might have your gameplay change for each tier with new sets etc. Better to just give a new talent, and give people the choice of going in a new direction, or stay with the old
Every spec20-25%(300%) shadow priest 1sec and 2% 😂, and how can USE devouring multiple to overleap if durration 10sec and dev CD 30 sec ?
Hoping Aug becomes viable again. It was really fun for about 5 minutes, and in fact, I'd like to see Enhance Shaman take on more of a similar support role. Really hoping they are able to make marks hunter at least an A tier spec. I've abandoned hunter altogether in S4 because once again theyve nerfed the one "thing" it had into the ground making BM and Surv just better. Still thinking it will be a lock for Disc/Fist mains but who knows what the next update will hold lol.
First tier is usually just damage bumps. This isn’t anything terribly surprising. Still excited for TWW
Pressing fel dev is a death sentence sometimes you would only have 1 bounce back from death to 35% every 8 min and another 35% max hp from demon form. when you fell dev is for dps it hits 100k ish and when you send it its when the other team can easily 1 shot you so using it is a risk.
I main a Moonkin, seeing the talents and set bonus, already don't feel like playing the exppack
Guys stop talking shit.
They already explained their politics, first season would be mostly passive, second and third season would be more impactful
that boomkin 4 set is a dam shame lol
Wait Chat, blizz said war within wont has their own PVP tier sets, so what is this then??
Can anyone explain pls..
Been playing the beta, and the ramp up on Enhance shaman is very long. I'm not sure if it takes more than a minute for use to acceptable damage or if after our second set of wolves come out, we start doing scary damage. I'll do further testing after I get a working details.
very long? stormbringer storm build. almost no ramp and you can have up to 6 wolves active most of the time.
@@Chakafuyo21 In PvP getting a second set of wolves is very long to me.
Let's get some CATA content going!!!
"These make or break your class!"
Eh. Not really. Season 1 tier sets are intentionally on the lackluster side.
the ww monk one is weird. you want to weave tiger palms in to get bigger blackout kicks. but now you also want to not weave in tiger palms just so you can get big tigerpalms ? this is very weird
pretty sure the 4pc set bonus wont change our rotation at all, you'll just passively get bigger tiger palms. The 2pc we may wanna play around a bit, like trying to have the buff up before using your highest burst abilities but I doubt it'll go much further than that
1 question. Does blizzard still keep the same nerf in dragon flight to TWW? For example, invigorating shadow dust vanish reduce all ability cd by 15/30s in dragon flight currently nerf by 50% in pvp only 7/15s. In TWW its only 10/20s in PVE, so does it also get nerf by 50% in pvp to only 5/10s? Or Blizzard remove all the nerf for new expansion?
Based on my experience, no.
In Shadowlands this has been covered by Venruki, Supa and I think Cdew has talked about that also. Maybe that's not the case anymore, but up to Shadowlands, nerfs to abilities got carried out to the newest expansions instead of them just completely deleting the nerf and tunning the ability's output afterwards.
eg. Glacial Spike and Comet Storm got nerfed in Legion and only unnerfed towards the end of Shadowlands.
I wonder if a dev has responded yet on shaman forums. Last I saw they posted months back.
Yeah they said they were busy on other classes so they kinda just threw together Totemic real quick for resto/enhance cause they ran out of time on more important classes. That's not verbatim but it's essentially what I derived.
@@Levelity Thanks for the heads up and oof.....
Lmao, they really didn't have to add blade dance resetting. just another exanple of devs doing the most for their golden child classes.
100% This alone makes the tier set more engaging too when it comes to rotation. Most are just X% increase.
@@Blood_Ronin yeah why couldn't they have thought of something like this for other specs, but of course DH gets the more interactive tier set
Every dev clearly playing DH lol
Good to know I won't have to worry about tier sets on my fistweaver. Ass tier.
These do not make or break your class lol
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tigers palm hits like 3% of max health atm, 4 set isnt that good
Is 5:09 code for Blizz can't balance the hero talents/ teir bonus properly, so to make one of the big xpact selling features look good they just gutted tier bonuses.
clowns in the comments be like AND THATS A GOOD THING
But frost can’t even do big one shot on the beta lmfaoooo. Their damage is so low with cool downs active on top of everyone HP is like 9000k+. U barely hit 500k, let alone 900k lmaooo
Blood dk is awesome
Another boring and shit their set for Disc Priest might just not play the game. It's gotten ridiculous.
You're ridiculous, it's literally the point for s1 tier sets to be tame.
@@LordMisos Bulljive.
Do wow deva even play wow
Unholy dk is locked into rider then
The 8% damage to all minions is really only going to effect the horseman, you'll be able to summon everything as san'layn. The haste portion will be easy to stack as well outside of horseman. I'm not really that concerned honestly.
MM Hunter bonus = crap.
Shadowbolt should be castable by moving. What is with Blizzard and Shadowbolt. No one likes it.
Demon hunters chaos strike 25% chance of resetting blade dance? What a shit show. Can they stop riding DHs so much? Nothin else got that kind of thing in their tier sets. Bliz is going downhill.
bro is the Ben Shapiro of playing wow
Yay shadow priest tier set useless in pvp all with the simple use of a dispel
“Make or break your class” what a stupid take. These are season 1 tier sets and they have said they won’t do anything that would make thing’s complicated.
Boring set bonus like always.. blizzard can’t make anything cool. Just make the base spells do more damage and healing that’s a stupid tier set bonus.
They said specifically that they want s1 set bonus to be tame to give a chance for hero talents to shine.
That’s what it should be like . Otherwise you end up with classes who don’t even use their tier because it’s garbage in PvP use your brain.
Dont agree. Think its worse to have a set bonus build around one set of a talent build. In that case, they could just remove talents..