If you have to wait an hour, nio will just tell you to go charge and make your charge completely free (gotta scan thru the NIO app) it's how they try to ease demand for batteries during peak hours
@@Eric_Garrison usually they will tell you not to wait, and it doesnt have to be the nearest charging Bay, any charger, as long as you scan with the NIO app, the bill is automatically taken care of by nio. It's company policy
As a Nio ES8 ower for almost 800days, I've never used my charging at home for a year since there's a power swap station opened nearby,happy to see this vlog
Thanks for shooting this swapping video, Eric. And you got the big ass 100kWh battery package. Makes sense for all the long trips you will be taking. Good choice.
This is crazy 15-30 minutes for a whole new battery ? This idea in itself is unique and super efficient . My brother owns an ev Ford I believe and 1-2hrswouldn’t even give the 1/10 of the capacity of nio. 🤯there really tryna be a top competitors in the ev market and i see it
National Highway G2 (Beijing to Shanghai) and G4 (Beijing to Guangzhou then Shenzhen) has the most complete sets of swap stations right now, and their latest generation of swap stations recently went operational with 13 batteries charging bays
That doesn't seem cost effective for them. They have employees managing the platform, the machine to lift the car, paying for the space or area of the property, energy use, insurance... It's easier to build charging stations.
these are the beginnings. Companies are experimenting. Maybe in the future this will be a premium option or it will on intercity highways etc. Car sharing is another big possibility anyways. In my opinion the best sollution is going to be chargers in parking stations everywhere. But that needs a lot of investment.
I disagree massively! Once they start phasing out gas pumps, they can replace gas stations with these. All these mechanisms will be underground, and you just drive over the plate.
@@michaelyhchai yes...you've made a good point... that you don't have to worry about a batt degrading over time.But what if what Elon Musk said comes true , that he'll have a batt that lasts 1 million charges?
@@marioferreira7605 loving how u claimed “not support CPP” but did not even manage to spell it correctly, neither of the car brand 🤡 brainwashed useful tool, I don’t think u can afford it
There will be a lot of wasted miles driving to and from a swap station unless there are plenty if 'em all over. The company will have to spend a lot to set up and keep these swap stations going. .
Very interesting I’ve been discussing this method with my work colleagues for many years, swapping out the battery pack and you’re good to go with a full pack in minutes. I don’t see it catching on as all the major manufacturers have so much R&D $$$$ invested into their battery technology, they’ll want to protect that, along with their IP.
yea more battery swapping stations, or at least a way for us to just drive in, maybe at most a 10 minute wait would be ideal, for now the option to go from 0 to 100 is still pretty nice.
I like how you filmed how these swapping stations actually operate with pros and cons. Seems these swap stations are very limited with long wait times. I wonder how NIO will optimize wait times as more people start to buy NIO cars. Waiting more than 15 minutes is too long for a battery swap.
That is pretty awesome time. I suppose still the advantage, or at least difference, for battery swap, is no need to purchase the battery and therefore reducing the cost of the car. Both ways offer a fast recharge, which is great for consumers.
@Tom C no one else is betting on reusable rocket before spaceX. Sure there’s a reason for that. but it just might not be a valid reason. Also, economy of scale will probably does the magic later on
Nice work and video, Eric. You literally bring Easy with you all the time, I understand, lol. There is a swap station just 7 kms alway from my place, but I never tried this. I may try it out next week and I have 4 swaps each month after all.
@@Eric_Garrison My dog Lychee is also a girl and I bring her with me pretty much everywhere I travelled. The only thing is that she actually finds car-riding quite unpleasant.
Easy doesn’t love driving either. In taxis that drive like maniacs with swerving and constant acceleration and deceleration she will always throw up... when I drive she never gets sick. At least not yet. Not just the nio, other cars too.
@@Eric_Garrison Lol, my dog did not throw up but I can tell she was suffering during the ride. By the way, Eric, I am planning a road trip to Tibet, ARE YOU INTERESTED?
wow these e heads are getting there hanh!!! 20 mins for fresh balanced pack, with 500 plus kms, not bad, i m pleasantly surprised. keep it up nio. amazing.
My understanding is they are going to have 500 by end of year, and with the two agreements they signed with the large German retailer and the Chinese Oil company/ gas stations it is going to be exponential as soon as they start.
I think it is stupid. VW ID4 can charge with 125kw and is cheap.(20w) you can get 200km in 20minutes. The 800V cars are taking 270kw. With that you can use the cars normally.
Just an obvious thing to comment out (2:03), but wouldn't it speed up the process if NIO cars can enter like a drive-through car wash with both front and back ramp, rather than reversing back?
Yes but I think the issue is probably that most places won't have space for that kind of set up, they cut down on the variables and complexity and cost by having one size fits all locations kind of set up.
I mean look, even if you gotta wait 1 hour it’s better way better than the supercharging station to charge a full battery. My fear is people getting spoiled and start complaining cause they had to wait 30 minutes. That’s nothing! Either way great video, looking forward to getting one myself!
Great practical demonstration. I love NIO because of battery swap, as this gives NIOs the most important value retention advantage over other makes. However you have shown the weak link in the current process which will be compounded when they introduce more battery capacity options. Even with the introduction of swap station 2, having 13 available batteries, this will still be a problem. NIO must address this ASAP. Two factors that in my view would help, is one to redesign the changing process to avoid turning the battery through 90 degrees when swapping and two, make the stations drive through. However I think the game changer will be when new generation batteries become available that can fully charge in minutes.
Not sure, but NIO starts to sell their automotive in Sep in Norway and allows customers to order online in July. They use Norway as an outpost to expand the selling network in Europe, so it will probably soon be promoted in Germany.
I wonder if this is like the California of NIO, In Los Angeles there are lines for superchargers but everywhere else in the country there is no line. Please update us on battery swap stations across China.
I’m nio owner in Kunming, which is south western inner China，in my city there is almost no waiting time for swap except public holidays. And the Nio guy said they will open two more swap stations for the city this year.
Nice. Never saw a nio in Kunming, but I’ll probably see you on the road when I hit kunming on my road trip. Kunming is the best! Go to salvadores if you haven’t yet lol
@@estrella6644 sure thing! Trip around erhai sounds perfect. And a charge point too lol. Feel free add my wechat (15502132233) or on nio app （穿越中国Eric）
Worth to mention you can actually don’t own batter pack with Nio. Just, rent it. This makes the batter exchange more suitable and comfortable. And the car is said to be able to drive in-out the station automatically.
This is awesome and an obvious option to pursue. We swap out batteries on our devices all the time because that's faster than recharging. I see this working out, especially if the process is made faster and operations reach economy of scale. It's great to see trials like these going on. Question though, do you know how they handle warranties? If you're swapping out the original battery, the most costly part of the car, for an unknown one, what happens if there are problems? I'm assuming these are all currently Nio owned operations, specific to certain models and trims, and that issues would be covered under the standard warranty for now. Eventually, with growth, that might not be the case. Potential legal hurdle to overcome. For this to be most successful, stations would need to carry batteries for many brands and models, which would incur a lot of overhead. Else, people will be limited to their specific brand swap stations, which is less idea. Obviously a major advantage to gas stations is that they are universal. This is an argument in favor of improved universal charging stations. Now, if batteries were ever standardized across brands, this would be a major win. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but who knows.
Battery is rented for most nio customers so we don't really need to worry about that, it's not ours anyway. You are right about it hardly being likely there will be a universal standard with regards to batteries... for now its just nio that can swap here.
I don't think this swapping system will workout in the long run. You'd get the same problem as there was in this video, too many batteries for the station to swap and store/charge. Batteries are getting better and better, can be charged faster and faster and have a longer battery life. The amount of places to charge your car will increase faster as well, it's easier to place a couple of chargers at a parking spot than it is to place a swapping station. Another disadvantage of a swapping station is that it is limited to one brand. Imagine having Shell or BP gas station for mercedes only. You would need a lot of gas stations on the highway to provide all brands of brand exclusive gas. I saw one person in the comments saying to replace the gass stations with swapping stations just ain't going to work. If all brands are doing the swap thing, you'd have so many swapping stations all over the place, it's not going to work. Charging is the way to go, it's pretty easy to place one, compared to a swapping station or gas station.
Actually, with better battery, normal charging station would still see risk from obsolete. However, with City user case, where not all car owners has garage, battery swap is a soultion for today and the near future.
Well, had you bought a Tesla, do you think either company has an advantage with respects to where and how fast each company's charging station compares?
They could improve on their app to show you a live stock of their available batteries. What happens if they can't swap? Cool system though 😁👍🏻 we deliver a lot of screws to them, their Business is bustling.
Thank you for this video. This affirms my belief that NIO will go bankrupt if they continue with the battery swap services. Please understand that I am not saying that battery swapping is a bad thing for the consumers. What I am saying is that battery swapping is not long term financially competitive nor sustainable for the company itself. These giant automated stations have a high initial cost and will require more and more maintenance as time goes on. Cars will drop all kinds of road crud into the mechanics of the swap mechanisms and each station will need to be constantly manned by an attendant in case things go wrong. Over time, this service will be deemed to be financially uncompetitive with the DC fast charge options. I can only see this benefiting the ultra rich and fleet (taxi) services in the future, because when the true long term cost of the swap station is finally determined, only they will be able to justify the price.
Do you know that version 2.0 can do up to 300 swaps per day ? Do you realize what kind of revenue that can bring ? It’s much cheaper than buying premium real estate inside big cities and having many cars sit a long time while their batteries charge. This model will work inside China and large urban areas.
Almost all the Tesla Charging station that I have used (Super Charger) there were at least 1 out of service charging port per station here in the US. I am mostly using them between LA and Vegas so their usage is high, the business model of selling electricity is still sounded. For Nio, the swap stations is a sounded business plan because the lease out their battery at a monthly subscription. It only make sense when you think about Big Cities where not everyone has their own parking for charging.
@@youngien The business of swapping out batteries is not sound. It is much more expensive for the company, than what they are telling you. NIO will go bankrupt with this idea. It looks really good to the consumers. It is affordable, and fast. But NIO and anyone else who follows this scheme will eventually go bankrupt because they are covering up the true expense of maintaining the swap station, the attendant, and the batteries by subsidizing the cost to the consumers. If all the people in a city, who don't have a place to park for charging were to use swap stations then how many swap stations and spare batteries do you think NIO will need?.....and every one of these stations is loosing money with no hope of recovering the cost. China is subsidizing the stations and they will eventually stop subsidizing them. It will be interesting to see how many of the European swap stations are able to survive without the subsidies. My experience tells me that number will be 0.
I wonder what happens in the future when you have a new/good battery (brand new car), receive an "old/ bad one" during a swap, but drive with it for weeks/months by charging it at home and want to switch it for another battery later on at one of these stations. Normally the owner of the car will be accountable (turning up for the costs of "broken parts" of their car). What if, at some point they refuse to take in a very old battery that you personally only had for a couple weeks/months and received from a station (perhaps from another one hundreds of miles away)?
I think tesla approach is better than battery swap cuz u can charge cars simultaniously compare it waiting in line to swap ur battery with one station.
I like the video! I love the on the ground information. Do you see a lot of Nio's around outside of the charging station? Are you noticing an increase from last year?
The biggest problem with NIO is the infrastructure. What will come first Super fast charging or millions of battery swap stations worldwide? It's a race against the clock in the end I think only one will prevail. NIO is a cool car and I'm glad to see new EV brands on the road for sure.
@@PhilthyMr he went at a time most people go at, unless you plan your day around changing your battery out it was a fair test. I personally prefer teslas way of doing it, I never need to go from 0 to 100 like this, I also get the benefit of being able to stay in my car and be comfortable instead of waiting around for them to swap a battery.
@@matthewcosta644 version two you can stay in the car. It’s much quicker because it’s fully automated. So you would rather wait hours in line then over three to four hours to fully charge your battery st a supercharger? Wow I guess some of us have lives. Some of us don’t. To each their own.
@@PhilthyMr no one fully charges at a supercharger... in fact they are designed for you to charge up to what you need and travel to your next supercharger if you need to depending on where it is you have to go.
if you have to wait longer to swap than to charge to 80%, that defeats the purpose of having swap. I'm much more concerned about how many swapping stations they have along well-traveled highways. either way, I think BaaS is an excellent idea. if they have enough spares on hand, they don't have to supercharge batteries which are not great for long term battery life. BTW, the EC6 looks amazing.
@@hgr3180 the alternative would be investing in charging stations. It's harder (not saying impossible) to scale swapping stations because of the capital needed, the extra batteries that need to be produced, the labour cost for swap station attendants, and finding good locations for the swap stations.
@@garykubiak This is just an option. As battery tech improves you might want to swap to upgrade your battery instead of buying a new car. Nio can use superchargers as well. I see other EV startups and legacy automakers using this technology so I don't think money will be a problem. There will be battery innovation along the way and you won't have to worry about the scarcity of batteries.
Coming from a shareholder idk if what I saw was a good or bad thing. The process looks inefficient but there was a long line of Nio’s waiting to be serviced. 🤷🏻♂️
The 2.0 stations are faster and I’m sure the tech will only improve, same as charging tech will also improve. Convenient though... I’m on my road trip currently and just stopped at a highway rest station and swapped my battery, went from 38km range to 550km range in 5 minutes and was back on the road. Not all of the swaps have been that convenient but the one I did now definitely beats charging imo.
Wow, that’s a lot of demand. Lots of NIOs just in one station. Hopefully they bring many new battery swap stations in the next few years to supply the demand! ..Holding 1400 shares of NIO. :)
Waiting time is another issue, but for 1 to 1 comparison, we should compare swap time vs charge time, to be fair, coz for charging, if the stalls are full, you need to wait as well
True , but the partnership with sinopec is to build 5000 swap stations by 2025. so it should ease the wait if any by then along with all the other charge and super charge stations to be built.
Am I the only one that saw the Tesla at the supercharger station? That means the two companies are already cooperating in that aspect which is good for both in my opinion.
If you have to wait an hour, nio will just tell you to go charge and make your charge completely free (gotta scan thru the NIO app) it's how they try to ease demand for batteries during peak hours
That’s good to know. You gotta ask them or they’ll tell you directly? What about in situation like this with all charging bays also full?
@@Eric_Garrison usually they will tell you not to wait, and it doesnt have to be the nearest charging Bay, any charger, as long as you scan with the NIO app, the bill is automatically taken care of by nio. It's company policy
Good knowledge. 👌🏻
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I prefer Huawei battery 10min charge can drive 170km... Neo if drive to village who can change battery for u?
As a Nio ES8 ower for almost 800days, I've never used my charging at home for a year since there's a power swap station opened nearby,happy to see this vlog
Look at mr fancy pants. We that don’t have a NIO (yet) are very jealous but very happy for you !
@@PhilthyMr so true. Good job Roy Gu
Thanks for shooting this swapping video, Eric. And you got the big ass 100kWh battery package. Makes sense for all the long trips you will be taking. Good choice.
Sending you the usual comment my friend - may your new NIO bring you loads of joy!
Thanks as always!
@@Eric_Garrison may your new nio bring us a lot of cash...thanks .
Super cool !! Thanks so much for sharing for all of us outside of China. Cheers !
Love those kids on scooters chasing the NIO a little bit😄
haha nio squad has become a thing in the nio community already, welcome to be part of it
What nio you got? 😬
This is crazy 15-30 minutes for a whole new battery ? This idea in itself is unique and super efficient . My brother owns an ev Ford I believe and 1-2hrswouldn’t even give the 1/10 of the capacity of nio. 🤯there really tryna be a top competitors in the ev market and i see it
Great to see. Thanks for the video. I'm sure this will make all the NIO investors like me very happy 🚀
The question is when???
As an investor yes!
National Highway G2 (Beijing to Shanghai) and G4 (Beijing to Guangzhou then Shenzhen) has the most complete sets of swap stations right now, and their latest generation of swap stations recently went operational with 13 batteries charging bays
That is amazing. Thanks for sharing. Genius of NIO to do something like this.
This is a great idea, plus having stations means creating jobs also, I'm super impressed with Nio
Thank you bro for providing us with these Videos... your a legend for this
That doesn't seem cost effective for them. They have employees managing the platform, the machine to lift the car, paying for the space or area of the property, energy use, insurance... It's easier to build charging stations.
And a lot of stationary batteries that should be in more cars sold... Not best business plan
these are the beginnings. Companies are experimenting. Maybe in the future this will be a premium option or it will on intercity highways etc. Car sharing is another big possibility anyways. In my opinion the best sollution is going to be chargers in parking stations everywhere. But that needs a lot of investment.
I think being able to swap out batteries this fast would be handy in the long term after pumping tonnes of charging cycles through your batteries.
I disagree massively! Once they start phasing out gas pumps, they can replace gas stations with these. All these mechanisms will be underground, and you just drive over the plate.
@@michaelyhchai yes...you've made a good point... that you don't have to worry about a batt degrading over time.But what if what Elon Musk said comes true , that he'll have a batt that lasts 1 million charges?
I swear making hats for Nomi could be a business model for Nio by itself lol
Last time I find Nomi a childish look but not anymore.. haha
@@marioferreira7605 loving how u claimed “not support CPP” but did not even manage to spell it correctly, neither of the car brand 🤡 brainwashed useful tool, I don’t think u can afford it
There will be a lot of wasted miles driving to and from a swap station unless there are plenty if 'em all over. The company will have to spend a lot to set up and keep these swap stations going. .
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Hey mate！I am the EC6 owner, and I saw you in nio day! RUclips bring me here! very nice content about NIO!
Yo haha I’ve seen you on xiaohongshu or bilibili maybe. You are in Guangzhou yea? When I head back to shenzhen maybe we can meet up
@@Eric_Garrison yep，living in Guangzhou. U can search my account: MaxTV麦克斯 on NIO app. We can have a chat there.😝😝😝
man the nio cars look absolutely stunning inside and outside i would buy one over tesla
I had the same thought! I imagine they're still working on expanding outside of mainland China.
Huge fan Keep the cool videos coming Eric! 🎬⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks buddy. Appreciate it!
Excellent Videos. Would be nice to see whats around these NIO Locations...Buildings, SHops, etc. Excellent stuff.
Sure. Next time I swap I'll do that!
I agree with you about more battery swapping. I heard they going to put at least 500 more. Great 👍 video
Very interesting
I’ve been discussing this method with my work colleagues for many years, swapping out the battery pack and you’re good to go with a full pack in minutes.
I don’t see it catching on as all the major manufacturers have so much R&D $$$$ invested into their battery technology, they’ll want to protect that, along with their IP.
I did my first battery swap on last week . It’s takes me like 6 mins . Very efficient. I love the new way so much . Pretty cool
Cool ...great to get a sense of the practicality of swapping batteries. I think it is good to have alternatives of swapping and charging.
yea more battery swapping stations, or at least a way for us to just drive in, maybe at most a 10 minute wait would be ideal,
for now the option to go from 0 to 100 is still pretty nice.
I like how you filmed how these swapping stations actually operate with pros and cons. Seems these swap stations are very limited with long wait times. I wonder how NIO will optimize wait times as more people start to buy NIO cars. Waiting more than 15 minutes is too long for a battery swap.
Ioniq 5 charges 10-80%
In 18 Minutes.
I guess, that is the future
That is pretty awesome time. I suppose still the advantage, or at least difference, for battery swap, is no need to purchase the battery and therefore reducing the cost of the car. Both ways offer a fast recharge, which is great for consumers.
@Tom C you rent, aka BaaS (Battery-as-a-Service)
@Tom C maybe they won't, maybe you're right and they should have listened to people on RUclips. By the way it's NIO not NEO.
@Tom C no one else is betting on reusable rocket before spaceX. Sure there’s a reason for that. but it just might not be a valid reason. Also, economy of scale will probably does the magic later on
Love your car. greetings from Germany
you can try it in Norway as NIO will launch in September this year
Nice work and video, Eric. You literally bring Easy with you all the time, I understand, lol. There is a swap station just 7 kms alway from my place, but I never tried this. I may try it out next week and I have 4 swaps each month after all.
Easy is my girl! Plus she hates to be alone at home. Go swap ba!
@@Eric_Garrison My dog Lychee is also a girl and I bring her with me pretty much everywhere I travelled. The only thing is that she actually finds car-riding quite unpleasant.
Easy doesn’t love driving either. In taxis that drive like maniacs with swerving and constant acceleration and deceleration she will always throw up... when I drive she never gets sick. At least not yet. Not just the nio, other cars too.
@@Eric_Garrison Lol, my dog did not throw up but I can tell she was suffering during the ride. By the way, Eric, I am planning a road trip to Tibet, ARE YOU INTERESTED?
wow these e heads are getting there hanh!!!
20 mins for fresh balanced pack, with 500 plus kms,
not bad,
i m pleasantly surprised.
keep it up nio.
amazing.
My understanding is they are going to have 500 by end of year, and with the two agreements they signed with the large German retailer and the Chinese Oil company/ gas stations it is going to be exponential as soon as they start.
I think it is stupid. VW ID4 can charge with 125kw and is cheap.(20w) you can get 200km in 20minutes.
The 800V cars are taking 270kw. With that you can use the cars normally.
keep pumping out those videos!!!!
Thanks for sharing this... I’m invested in company
Great company to invest in
@@1josephgallant great investment cause of the ccp backing.
I love NIO so much when will they come to the US?
When nio defeated Tesla 😂
Who can tell if US goverment not gonna ban NIO like huawei and tiktok
Chinese company hate to invest in USA due to the uncredited government. they like use big stick of ban on the head of them
I bought their stock. I hope it starts doing better soon.
These companies are continually innovating...it will be so interesting in 10, 20 years to see how "slow" all this process was! =)
Just an obvious thing to comment out (2:03), but wouldn't it speed up the process if NIO cars can enter like a drive-through car wash with both front and back ramp, rather than reversing back?
That was my thought also.
Yes but I think the issue is probably that most places won't have space for that kind of set up, they cut down on the variables and complexity and cost by having one size fits all locations kind of set up.
I hope they do multiple-lane drive-through models instead of having to back cars in one at a time to speed up the process.
Hopefully V2.0 has forward drive thru capability. Having to backin looks very dumb and inefficient.
I think it's a matter of time where the stations only get better and faster as NIO continues to grow and more and more are on the road.
Once NIO roll out the gen2 battery swaps, it should be better.
Brilliant idea really. Swapping battery faster than filling gas,
it takes more time to fuel up at costco gas station on the weekend too, especially knowing the price is going to go up the next day.
6:27 love the little hat on the roboat.
Where I'm from, it's like pouring gas at costco. Always get long line, but takes about 20min.
I mean look, even if you gotta wait 1 hour it’s better way better than the supercharging station to charge a full battery. My fear is people getting spoiled and start complaining cause they had to wait 30 minutes. That’s nothing! Either way great video, looking forward to getting one myself!
Great practical demonstration. I love NIO because of battery swap, as this gives NIOs the most important value retention advantage over other makes. However you have shown the weak link in the current process which will be compounded when they introduce more battery capacity options. Even with the introduction of swap station 2, having 13 available batteries, this will still be a problem.
NIO must address this ASAP. Two factors that in my view would help, is one to redesign the changing process to avoid turning the battery through 90 degrees when swapping and two, make the stations drive through. However I think the game changer will be when new generation batteries become available that can fully charge in minutes.
Cant wait for NIO cars with Huawei autonomous driving system! Does anyone know when NIO comes to Germany?
Not sure, but NIO starts to sell their automotive in Sep in Norway and allows customers to order online in July. They use Norway as an outpost to expand the selling network in Europe, so it will probably soon be promoted in Germany.
I wonder if this is like the California of NIO, In Los Angeles there are lines for superchargers but everywhere else in the country there is no line. Please update us on battery swap stations across China.
Will do. Once I'm on the road :D
I’m nio owner in Kunming, which is south western inner China，in my city there is almost no waiting time for swap except public holidays. And the Nio guy said they will open two more swap stations for the city this year.
Nice. Never saw a nio in Kunming, but I’ll probably see you on the road when I hit kunming on my road trip. Kunming is the best! Go to salvadores if you haven’t yet lol
@@Eric_Garrison Lol，I like their tacos. BTW I also live in Dali, message me if you come:) Charge point provided!
@@estrella6644 sure thing! Trip around erhai sounds perfect. And a charge point too lol. Feel free add my wechat (15502132233) or on nio app （穿越中国Eric）
That interior looks awesome
And this is why my investing portfolio is mostly in NIO stock now.
Gonna pay off in the future
Why?
@@steelberg23 NIO is catching traction and is beginning to expand to other countries stock prices will increase.
Well, if 2x speed is what they are aiming for, that'd be awesome too.
Worth to mention you can actually don’t own batter pack with Nio. Just, rent it. This makes the batter exchange more suitable and comfortable.
And the car is said to be able to drive in-out the station automatically.
This is awesome and an obvious option to pursue. We swap out batteries on our devices all the time because that's faster than recharging. I see this working out, especially if the process is made faster and operations reach economy of scale. It's great to see trials like these going on.
Question though, do you know how they handle warranties? If you're swapping out the original battery, the most costly part of the car, for an unknown one, what happens if there are problems? I'm assuming these are all currently Nio owned operations, specific to certain models and trims, and that issues would be covered under the standard warranty for now. Eventually, with growth, that might not be the case. Potential legal hurdle to overcome. For this to be most successful, stations would need to carry batteries for many brands and models, which would incur a lot of overhead. Else, people will be limited to their specific brand swap stations, which is less idea. Obviously a major advantage to gas stations is that they are universal. This is an argument in favor of improved universal charging stations. Now, if batteries were ever standardized across brands, this would be a major win. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but who knows.
Battery is rented for most nio customers so we don't really need to worry about that, it's not ours anyway. You are right about it hardly being likely there will be a universal standard with regards to batteries... for now its just nio that can swap here.
I don't think this swapping system will workout in the long run. You'd get the same problem as there was in this video, too many batteries for the station to swap and store/charge. Batteries are getting better and better, can be charged faster and faster and have a longer battery life. The amount of places to charge your car will increase faster as well, it's easier to place a couple of chargers at a parking spot than it is to place a swapping station. Another disadvantage of a swapping station is that it is limited to one brand. Imagine having Shell or BP gas station for mercedes only. You would need a lot of gas stations on the highway to provide all brands of brand exclusive gas. I saw one person in the comments saying to replace the gass stations with swapping stations just ain't going to work. If all brands are doing the swap thing, you'd have so many swapping stations all over the place, it's not going to work. Charging is the way to go, it's pretty easy to place one, compared to a swapping station or gas station.
Actually, with better battery, normal charging station would still see risk from obsolete. However, with City user case, where not all car owners has garage, battery swap is a soultion for today and the near future.
Luv those nio but I understand is the geely swapping stations do it in 1 minute or is it 2 but love this idea
They definitely need to work out there infrastructure, I guess growing pains still.
Well, had you bought a Tesla, do you think either company has an advantage with respects to where and how fast each company's charging station compares?
When is this coming to the USA?
If they can get the wait time down to 5-10 mins then i think this could be a better alternative to having to charge all the way up.
A fully charged battery takes a very long time.
Not bad for the first time swap being it on 1.0 version
They could improve on their app to show you a live stock of their available batteries. What happens if they can't swap? Cool system though 😁👍🏻 we deliver a lot of screws to them, their Business is bustling.
This is awesome, more videos like this mate👍😊👍
NIO, the best 💪🏼
Thank you for this video. This affirms my belief that NIO will go bankrupt if they continue with the battery swap services. Please understand that I am not saying that battery swapping is a bad thing for the consumers. What I am saying is that battery swapping is not long term financially competitive nor sustainable for the company itself. These giant automated stations have a high initial cost and will require more and more maintenance as time goes on. Cars will drop all kinds of road crud into the mechanics of the swap mechanisms and each station will need to be constantly manned by an attendant in case things go wrong. Over time, this service will be deemed to be financially uncompetitive with the DC fast charge options.
I can only see this benefiting the ultra rich and fleet (taxi) services in the future, because when the true long term cost of the swap station is finally determined, only they will be able to justify the price.
I couldn't agree more! Thought maybe I was the only one who thought this service is destined for failure. The sole reason I'm not invested in NIO.
Do you know that version 2.0 can do up to 300 swaps per day ? Do you realize what kind of revenue that can bring ? It’s much cheaper than buying premium real estate inside big cities and having many cars sit a long time while their batteries charge. This model will work inside China and large urban areas.
Yes in USA but not in China. Chinese government funded all charging station construction. NIO just need to operate it
Almost all the Tesla Charging station that I have used (Super Charger) there were at least 1 out of service charging port per station here in the US. I am mostly using them between LA and Vegas so their usage is high, the business model of selling electricity is still sounded.
For Nio, the swap stations is a sounded business plan because the lease out their battery at a monthly subscription. It only make sense when you think about Big Cities where not everyone has their own parking for charging.
@@youngien The business of swapping out batteries is not sound. It is much more expensive for the company, than what they are telling you. NIO will go bankrupt with this idea.
It looks really good to the consumers. It is affordable, and fast. But NIO and anyone else who follows this scheme will eventually go bankrupt because they are covering up the true expense of maintaining the swap station, the attendant, and the batteries by subsidizing the cost to the consumers.
If all the people in a city, who don't have a place to park for charging were to use swap stations then how many swap stations and spare batteries do you think NIO will need?.....and every one of these stations is loosing money with no hope of recovering the cost. China is subsidizing the stations and they will eventually stop subsidizing them. It will be interesting to see how many of the European swap stations are able to survive without the subsidies. My experience tells me that number will be 0.
I wonder what happens in the future when you have a new/good battery (brand new car), receive an "old/ bad one" during a swap, but drive with it for weeks/months by charging it at home and want to switch it for another battery later on at one of these stations.
Normally the owner of the car will be accountable (turning up for the costs of "broken parts" of their car). What if, at some point they refuse to take in a very old battery that you personally only had for a couple weeks/months and received from a station (perhaps from another one hundreds of miles away)?
How much does this cost to change as against recharging ??
I think tesla approach is better than battery swap cuz u can charge cars simultaniously compare it waiting in line to swap ur battery with one station.
I like the video! I love the on the ground information. Do you see a lot of Nio's around outside of the charging station? Are you noticing an increase from last year?
The biggest problem with NIO is the infrastructure. What will come first Super fast charging or millions of battery swap stations worldwide? It's a race against the clock in the end I think only one will prevail. NIO is a cool car and I'm glad to see new EV brands on the road for sure.
i hope Nio comes to my country asap. but it seems that is not the case.
I hope the car would just find its way and park itself inside the swapping station, that'd be awesome
There are new swapping stations v2.0 supporting auto parking into the station.
Will it be easier if they just drive through instead of backing up
Dude 3:44-3:32 its 12 mins.I know its not a big thing but with this battery swap by NiO people need to understand its fast,like very fast.
I mean from the time I got in the queue on the app and showed up, to the time I was able to get in my car and leave, it was about 20 minutes.
@@Eric_Garrison you also showed up at high peak time. Why not do it when there is no queue. ? Seems like you’re choosing the worst time to go
@@PhilthyMr he went at a time most people go at, unless you plan your day around changing your battery out it was a fair test. I personally prefer teslas way of doing it, I never need to go from 0 to 100 like this, I also get the benefit of being able to stay in my car and be comfortable instead of waiting around for them to swap a battery.
@@matthewcosta644 version two you can stay in the car. It’s much quicker because it’s fully automated. So you would rather wait hours in line then over three to four hours to fully charge your battery st a supercharger? Wow I guess some of us have lives. Some of us don’t. To each their own.
@@PhilthyMr no one fully charges at a supercharger... in fact they are designed for you to charge up to what you need and travel to your next supercharger if you need to depending on where it is you have to go.
if you have to wait longer to swap than to charge to 80%, that defeats the purpose of having swap. I'm much more concerned about how many swapping stations they have along well-traveled highways. either way, I think BaaS is an excellent idea. if they have enough spares on hand, they don't have to supercharge batteries which are not great for long term battery life. BTW, the EC6 looks amazing.
Thanks for sharing! How often do you use this service?
6x per month "free"
the swap is made always with help with nio staff?
Thank you for showing this, are you in Shenzhen?
I am so glad I got 245 shares of $NIO!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I make good money on NIO in 3-5 years I will buy my own one!
@Coz J My hope is around end of 2022
What do they do with the old battery?
Charge it up and give it to next person
Without wait time, I'm sure you would have been in and out in 5 minutes.
That's true for all things :P
That's why this wont SCALE...
@@hgr3180 the alternative would be investing in charging stations. It's harder (not saying impossible) to scale swapping stations because of the capital needed, the extra batteries that need to be produced, the labour cost for swap station attendants, and finding good locations for the swap stations.
@@garykubiak This is just an option. As battery tech improves you might want to swap to upgrade your battery instead of buying a new car. Nio can use superchargers as well. I see other EV startups and legacy automakers using this technology so I don't think money will be a problem. There will be battery innovation along the way and you won't have to worry about the scarcity of batteries.
@@cybertrk yeah I think if this was a good idea tesla would have already done it elon even mentioned it when he was at a conference
Overall would you recommended buying a Nio? What’s score would you give it out of 10?
they're gonna build 5000 more swapping stations and charging stations this year and nationwide soon
Its 500 swap stations and a few thousand charging stations.
Coming from a shareholder idk if what I saw was a good or bad thing. The process looks inefficient but there was a long line of Nio’s waiting to be serviced. 🤷🏻♂️
Supercharging seems to be more convienient and eben faster in the end. Battery swapping is a Dead end street...
The 2.0 stations are faster and I’m sure the tech will only improve, same as charging tech will also improve. Convenient though... I’m on my road trip currently and just stopped at a highway rest station and swapped my battery, went from 38km range to 550km range in 5 minutes and was back on the road. Not all of the swaps have been that convenient but the one I did now definitely beats charging imo.
It is a nice Show if you just count the swapping time.
Nio EV car has lots of great ideas
Battery cheging is more fast process than charging but can it impact on cars integrity.
Thank you 👍👍👍
And I see myself taking a bad battery switch in for a better one🤣🤣🤣
Wow, that’s a lot of demand. Lots of NIOs just in one station. Hopefully they bring many new battery swap stations in the next few years to supply the demand! ..Holding 1400 shares of NIO. :)
because it is free which gonna be costly
to the company
@@chickenchopfriedrice the service, not the battery and subscriptions. They are costumer service experience focus, is brilliant
@@ashric costly. not gonna profit within 2 years
@@chickenchopfriedrice 2 years? Awesome!!
They look dope💥
Waiting time is another issue, but for 1 to 1 comparison, we should compare swap time vs charge time, to be fair, coz for charging, if the stalls are full, you need to wait as well
True , but the partnership with sinopec is to build 5000 swap stations by 2025. so it should ease the wait if any by then along with all the other charge and super charge stations to be built.
Interesting battery changing way~
Renault Alliance (3rd biggest car makers worldwide) is also considering battery swapping for its EV...
do they have a lounge? What's going on inside?
So what takes the longest? Are they doing something special to the battery like preconditioning before they put it in your car?
Am I the only one that saw the Tesla at the supercharger station? That means the two companies are already cooperating in that aspect which is good for both in my opinion.
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Waiting for battery swap? Wouldn‘t normal chargers be better and faster?
You can do both. But swapping is faster if there is no line.
@@Eric_Garrison yeah but seems a bit clumsy to me to be honest seeing how fast it is actually swapped