'Wonka' Is Weird (Review)
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I think Wonka in this is less dark and mysterious because he hasn't lived in isolation for years and gone through the stuff Wonka has by the time of the Chocolate factory
Agreed 100%
i was telling my friend this, he became jaded with people because he was hurt so many times. It was also because his backstory is different and reacted to it healthier than Depp's Wonka.
Rather watch that movie
yes and near the end he seems less happy go lucky and trusting
@@chizknowsdabizyeet7609have you seen “Wonka”
I think its a great choice to have this Wonka be all bright eyed and full of optimism. It almost makes Wilder's more jaded, troubled version hit a bit harder. Knowing how he started, how he changed, and getting to see how Charlie helped restore that childlike light in his eyes is compelling to me.
That’s what I’m saying
he didnt change in wonka tho
I agree. It was definitely intentional.
Reminds me of me tbh. I was a very happy kid always dancing and curious about the world and people, very social lots of energy. Today however I'm just the most boring person ever and couldn't socialize like a human to save my life
@@zelpazzdamn bro you just described me exactly. It helps to see I'm not alone out here
I think the idea of Chalamet as Wonka is weird, but after hearing your analysis, I understand why they picked him. He is quite charming & I think them having him not be as unhinged as previous actors is actually fitting because I think adulthood makes us become bitter and more crazy. We all have trauma and I think the paranoia and unhinged behavior we are familiar with for this character stems from distrust when other companies try to steal the recipe. That hasn’t happened yet… do we expect a sequel? No, but if they did that would definitely allow Chalamet the opportunity to act that out.
He definitely has a bit of an unhinged side to him, but it’s a goofy fun whimsical kind of unhinged. Kind of like buddy from the movie elf where he’s just operating on a whole other kind of logic and is kind of too trusting and naive
As a therapist, I’m super intrigued to think about what must have happened to Willy Wonka between this movie and that that left him so bitter. 🧐 and I just watched Wonka tonight with my little boy and I think half of what made me love the movie was watching the awe on his face during.
@@sandy5791 I think they touch upon this in the book, but definitely something mentioned in the version with Gene Wilder. Even Wilder said he did things for that character to make viewers question his honesty because of his character's paranoia. They do show people going up to the kids and their families trying to pay them off for their tickets, I believe, and I think this was also inspired by the Cold War but I don't know for sure.
Gene Wilder’s Wonka has been a recluse for years, hiding in his locked down factory keeping a close guard on his secrets/recipes from his rivals (Slugworth, Fickelgruber, Prodnose) that have tried to steal it from him. It isn’t for nothing that the "edge" which we think about when we hear the name Willy Wonka doesn’t manifest itself until his later years (Chalamet’s Wonka is 19 while Wilder’s is 45) This movie literally sees him just fresh off the boat, poor and trying to make a name for himself, trying to introduce his chocolate to the world. At the end of the 1970s movie Wonka shows that same optimism/innocence that he had when he was younger, it’s when Charlie passes the "greedy test" and proves that there IS in fact good, honest people left in the world that he can pass his factory on to, it ties into his younger, optimistic self before he got driven mad by isolation in the factory
@@idcman i thught chalamet's wonka is supposed to be in his early 20's
I am 31 years old, and when I left the theater, I couldn't believe it when I thought to myself, "If my little cousins wanted to go see this movie for Christmas soon, I would absolutely see it again to go see it with them." It was that good, and magical, to boot.
It has sad parts (his mother) , happy parts (the end), funny parts (giraffe and chocolate monks), romantic and funny parts (ninja lady and zoo man), optimistic parts (all the scrub members talking about the plan from each room), and enjoyable parts (all the musicals).
Just about the only downside of the movie for me is the ending with the factory. I second movie would fix this but oh well.
I watched it in IMAX with friends and told my parents about it, they got interested and said they were going to watch it and I tagged along just to see the movie again. If it ever goes on Netflix I'll watch it again too.
There chocolate and there chocolate 🍫
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Agreed, this movie took me back to my childhood in the scene where he opened his shop. Beautiful music with cheerful dancing and an amazing song.
This movie was truly excellent
What made Willy Wonka such an enduring character was that he wasn’t just this jolly, wholesome guy-was also kind of a psycho. On one hand, watering down Wonka’s dark side sort of misses the point of the character, but on the other hand, this movie is trying to portray a younger, more idealistic version of him, and it could very well be that he was just driven a bit insane by years of self-imposed isolation. So he doesn’t necessarily need his origin story to be dark and traumatic.
Wow I just spent way too much time on a character analysis of Funny Chocolate Man
Gene Wilder’s Wonka has been a recluse for years, hiding in his locked down factory keeping a close guard on his secrets/recipes from his rivals (Slugworth, Fickelgruber, Prodnose) that have tried to steal it from him. It isn’t for nothing that the "edge" which we think about when we hear the name Willy Wonka doesn’t manifest itself until his later years (Chalamet’s Wonka is 19 while Wilder’s is 45) This movie literally sees him just fresh off the boat, poor and trying to make a name for himself, trying to introduce his chocolate to the world. At the end of the 1970s movie Wonka shows that same optimism/innocence that he had when he was younger, it’s when Charlie passes the "greedy test" and proves that there IS in fact good, honest people left in the world that he can pass his factory on to, it ties into his younger, optimistic self before he got driven mad by isolation in the factory
It is already traumatic. His mom died, his business was sabotaged, and they tried to kill him twice. But he had a strong support system in this movie, so the traumas didn't break yet. The betrayals he will experience after his success will probably turn him into the cynical and unstable candy man we see in Gene's Wonka.
I'd argue it reflects the original version of the character fairly well. It's more like Dahl wrote Wonka, more of a whimsical character. My guess is as others have said, its probably his isolation that makes him the more cynical man.
@@kayeplaguedoc9054 yeah that’s what I thought, I just thought this film was to showcase how Willy was like before he went crazy in isolation.
I feel like the people that say this Wonka isn't dark at all just didn't pay enough attention. It's a kid's movie so some of it is subtle but he give Noodle a chocolate called a "silver lining" to basically force her to tell him things that could help him escape, then he drugs the zookeeper to steal the giraffe's milk, and later he also specifically makes a chocolate that forces people to sing and dance about his chocolate for a bunch of free advertising. He isn't mean or malicious but still selfish in a way and sometimes uses people just to get what he wants. Idk I feel like it had just enough of the darkness for so early in his story.
Wonka is wonky
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who’s up wonking their willy rn?
Wonka is boring af.
I was genuinely skeptical going into this, even as a Paddington obsessive, but I was really hooked in with this and it surprised me. To be honest it's just nice to have a movie free from cynicism and just leaves you with a smile on your face.
Left a smile on my face, but only because of how bad it was
Love the movie.. make me and my kids smile.. maybe some people who didn't enjoy this movie still connected to the miserable weird sad old wonka.
@@kylek2623 the original Willy Wonka movie is one of my favourites! That was partly why I was so skeptical going in, but I still really enjoyed this!
Same
This movie would’ve really been improved by a acid scene
Looking at that Oompa Loompa looks like your on acid lol
I don't think neither the makers of Wonka nor Chalamet himself were going for a Gene Wilder vibe, as Roald Dahl heavily disliked that version of the character (and therefore the 1971 film) and the Dahl Estate is overseeing this one (just as they did with the Tim Burton movie before)
what did they dislike about the '71 version?
@@docmemphis there is a documentary from @YesterworldEntertainment about the making of 1971's Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory which touches on this, but I can resume in brief is basically Roald Dahl was in charge of adapting his own novel as a screenplay and he has creative differences with the producer and director (he left and the script was rewritten by others). Dahl also wasn't a fan of casting Gene Wilder and personally wanted Peter Sellers instead
@@gustavohernandeza.890thx for the suggestion
@@docmemphisI only know he hated Gene Wilder's Wonka so much that he forbade any more adaptations like The Great Glass Elevator.
@@gustavohernandeza.890 Peter Sellers? No offense to Wilder, but I wish I lived in that timeline.
I’ll literally do anything to see a Wes Anderson directed Willy wonka movie
Maybe bc ths only Wes Anderson film I've seen is Fantastic Mr Fox but I was kind of disappointed in his Henry Sugar adaptation on Netflix.
One of my RD favourite books (and books in general), which should have had a proper big screen Oceans 11 type movie adaptation, (that's what it is really; Ocean's 11 type movie but a focus on the character changing heart and using his skills to raise money for orphanages) rather than the (what I find odd) meta style of Anderson's actors basically reading out bits of the novel including bits like 'he said' and having Dahl 'write' the novel as it was being acted.
Just too jarring and weird and ultimately a little disappointing for me
I think it’s interesting you said it wasn’t colorful enough. I kept thinking how well they let the context shine through. The dingy, polluted air and dusty streets, how poor 🤢everybody was, the dirty laundry and corrupted money. It played against his exquisite chocolate molds, clear jars, velvet coat, mirror-clean machinery, and pigmented candy made such a nice contrast.
I want to see a sequal to this one, but about HOW Wonka became more jaded and dark, ending the movie with the factory closing itself off. There must've been so much betrayal and lies that Wonka just doesn't trust people anymore.
This young Wonka is so naive he got caught in a slave contract. I'm not surprised if he gets into more compromising situations if there's a sequel.
Exactly. Just bc he's not the bitter Wonka he ks in the film doesn't mean he doesn't become like that... I'd love to see a sequel of how he became jaded and bitter etc but it wouldn't be as kid friendly which is part of the appeal
I would also like to see that movie made. We all need to encourage people to go see it so they'll make a sequel.
That Hugh Grant interview clip where he's extremely dismayed is the funniest thing I've seen all day
I honestly liked his performance, being so bothered added to the role. He seemed rather annoyed and very put upon lol
@@Frankiigii canonically the oompa loompa was forced to steal wonka's chocolates every single day to pay his debt, so being so bothered just added more to his character lmao
i love how all his fans just collectively decided to keep up with everything timothee does
the power of chalamania
i mean I wasn’t really a fan of him, but lately oh boy, he is amazing
He's talented, I'm looking forward to see what else he does
He makes good decisions. His past few films are all varied and entertaining to watch.
Bones and All, Don't Look Up, Dune and now Wonka.
The power of Western idol worship and other things.
As a huge fan for the original Willy Wonka, I didn’t have high hopes for this, I wasn’t even planning to see it until I heard good things about it. I was pleasantly surprised and it really stands out as its own film.. and the music is just WONDERFUL! I’ve listened to the entire soundtrack 3 more times after seeing it.
We listened to it the second we left the theatre.
@@djplonghead5403same! My dad put it in the radio straight away
Yes, Wonka isnt as insane here as in the original, but hes also young and optomistic. The original movie is probably like 40-60 years later and since then hes closed the factory, which makes the whole movie feel kinda bittersweet.
Strangely enough, what makes the original 1971 Willy Wonka work so well is the grounded realism of the early scenes. Director Mel Stuart was more of a documentarian, which is one of the reasons the film feels like it’s occurring in the real world- albeit a world full of singing orange midgets.
Good point, this film didn't feel like it was happening in any real place or period. As an adult that detracted from it a bit for me, but I guess kids won't care much about that
I genuinely don't understand why they didn't hire a person with dwarfism instead of making a cgi nightmare.
tell that to the snow white movie
you can thank Peter Dinklage for pulling up the ladder behind him.
Did U hear 👂 the whole interview ❓
I really didn't mind him being a CGI nightmare. I think the fakeness contributed to making the Oompa Loompas feel strange and otherwordly (which they kind of are) instead of just short people in makeup. Also no person with dwarfism is as short as the Oompa Loompas are in this movie.
Who’s wonking they Willy?
Me
@@afilmbyzola 🤭
i genuinely am
who up wonking they willy 💯
i personally liked wonka a lot, i thought it was a fun and uplifting tale, and the songs were BANGERS
I always took it as the industry making Wonka a bit dark and jaded, so it was really fitting that this isn't yet present
The first movie I ever saw Timothee Chalamet in, he was that kid in Interstellar (2014). I didn't realize he was the same person until I watched Dune and looked him up lol.
This year has made me realized more than ever that watching a film brimmed with its cast and director's passion in it is a luxury. I was at first against this film despite my love for Timothee's acting as it seems like another Disney's take you down memory lane cash grabbed. Reviews from you and Chris Stuckmann made me want to support the film now though. Even if happy kids film is not my genre, I still prefer to support stories that put its heart on its sleave.
I really enjoyed it and found myself smiling a lot during it; you can definitely tell Chalamet grows up to be the Gene Wilder Wonka rather than the Johnny Depp version. I would have to say, I personally prefer the newer Charlie and the Chocolate Factory but that may be because it was a movie that was readily available in our house, my parents (more so Mum) weren't too keen on the Gene Wilder one, probably find it too cutesy with the songs? I know for a fact Dahl didn't enjoy it, not finding it to be a faithful adaptation so refused all rights for the Great Glass Elevator but I don't know if that's so any more
If you actually watch the 71 Wonka, brother is a fucking psycho. At the surface there are cute songs (some of which are actually pretty complex) but there is some wild shit going on
I mean, Wonka puts tricks that were inspired by his enemies later on, like the shady contract and chocolate bath.
But the 2005 movie isn’t actually closer to the book
@@matityaloran9157 I know but that was the version that was more readily available in our house: we had it on dvd and it would be on the telly at least once a month (at least it used to be on itv2)
@@georgiabadiali2321 Fair.
Many cynical adults started as young people with a dream. I imagine he got that way by constantly being let down by selfish and greedy people. If you look at it this way, it works.
Willy Wonka is described in the book and original film as becoming so paranoid and reclusive because Slugworth and the others stole his recipes with their corporate spies
my issue with wonka is that the main question i had about the guy was “what happened to him to make him want to put children in watered down saw traps” and this not only didn’t answer that but made me more confused about how he got to that point. also i NEEDED them to address the oompa loompa slaves like what is that about
They aren't slaves and I hate how people compare the oompa loompas to slaves all the time. If the most valued material in the culture of the oompa loompas is cocoa beans and not money, then it isn't slavery. Wonka is literally paying them in what they find valuable.
I'd say this Wonka reminds me a lot about how he is in the books. Yes he was also quite mysterious in the books as well but what I mean was that they were able to capture the out of hand weird side of Wonka.
Two things to note about Chalamet's performance as Wonka (compared to Wilder and Depp).
1. This is a young Willy Wonka who hasn't gone through the experiences yet you see in the 1971 film where he's essentially a weird recluse. So him not being that in this movie makes complete sense, it would be weirder if Wonka was this melancholic, slightly sinister man from the start.
2. It's perfectly possible Paul King wanted a more book-accurate version of Wonka. The entire "Wonka is a slightly sinister melancholic guy who seems nice but is actually deeply flawed and messed up" thing was an invention by the 1971 movie that was then also adopted by the Burton version. In the book however, Wonka is a very charismatic, happy guy who is constantly dancing and singing. There's nothing sinister about the guy in the book. Chalamet perfectly encapsulates that in this movie.
Nah Wonka is FUCKING EVIL in the book, and actively takes joy from the children and their parents suffering. I don't know what version you've read 🤔
@@CreativeC13 This is not true, Wonka was never supposed to be sinister in the novels, but a goofy weird guy who is pretty narcissistic, but not a bad person. In his search for his successor, he obviously tries to tempt the kids (and is pretty blasé about them failing the tests), but this is not written from the idea that Wonka is malicious (hurting kids to teach a life lesson is a thing Dahl likes to do in his novels). Wonka being read as more dark than he's actually been written as is a more modern interpretation of the novel probably informed by the movie.
It's also a well-known fact that the 1971 movie changed Wonka to evoke a more uncomfortable feeling because that's how Gene Wilder wanted to play him and it was the only way to get Wilder on board. In fact, part of why Roald Dahl hated the movie and disowned it is because of the changes in the narrative to accommodate the new version of Wonka.
I actually think that Wilder’s Wonka (and really, the movie as a whole) is a good example of how changing things from the source material isn’t necessarily bad, and can even make it stronger.
Book Mr. Wonka just honestly… doesn’t have a lot to him. He’s enthusiastic, likes to make chocolate, and may or may not be explicitly magical.
Like the genius thing about Gene Wilder’s performance, is that he managed to take what theoretically should have been a rather static, flat character, and give him so much depth, while still keeping him suitably mysterious and ambiguous.
1:56, I know everyone else has already pointed this out but this movie ends with him opening the factory. That means that it’s well before corporate spies stole all of his chocolate recipes and led to his shutting himself from the world because of it
I really did enjoy Wonka. When it comes to these adaptations I always take a hard look at the story and think “did it need to be tied to this IP?” While Wonka certainly could have shed the names and references to the original stories, an original movie about a Wonky chocolatier trying to make it big against a chocolate cartel would have drawn connections to Willy Wonka regardless.
Did this movie need to exist? Probably not. Am I glad that most of the people working on it seemed to have fun and genuinely put out a product with heart? Absolutely! (And there were some cool practical effects too, lots of the candy store was a physical set).
Also, I agree. Cast Chalamet in more comedic roles it was fun to see him have fun!
I genuinely loved the message behind this movie how naive young Willy is and his faith for the best in people has brought him this far. Only for that to be slowly be torn from him as he enters the real world. How his love for chocolate comes from the naivety that it will reunite him with his mom so he pushes against adversity to make his dreams come true, campy yes but wholesome too. I went in wanting to dog on it but I get so emerald in movies that by the end when the mom showed up I was shedding a tear. Not the best music but the message is what really strung home for me.
timothee’s singing made me cry a little
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So funny to hear someone else shed a tear during this movie. That final scene brought tears to my eyes and I felt myself really relating to Wonka's loss of his mother while finally being able to chase and live his dream despite his mother never truly being able to enjoy it with Willy
It’s sad to hear that darkness to the character was lost. I always thought that was a really important part of what makes him so mythical.
Doesn't growing up make you like that a bit?
It's the perfect opportunity for them to explore a darker sequel showing what happened and why Wonka became embittered and dark the way he did after the rivals tried to steal his recipes (based on real life Rowntree's v Cadbury's wars, as well as possibly some Cold War vibes/influence)
Gene Wilder’s Wonka has been a recluse for years, hiding in his locked down factory keeping a close guard on his secrets/recipes from his rivals (Slugworth, Fickelgruber, Prodnose) that have tried to steal it from him. It isn’t for nothing that the "edge" which we think about when we hear the name Willy Wonka doesn’t manifest itself until his later years (Chalamet’s Wonka is 19 while Wilder’s is 45) This movie literally sees him just fresh off the boat, poor and trying to make a name for himself, trying to introduce his chocolate to the world. At the end of the 1970s movie Wonka shows that same optimism/innocence that he had when he was younger, it’s when Charlie passes the "greedy test" and proves that there IS in fact good, honest people left in the world that he can pass his factory on to, it ties into his younger, optimistic self before he got driven mad by isolation in the factory
Gene's Wonka has decades of betrayal and bitter experiences. Imagine being jaded at such a young age, and I'm pretty sure Tim's Wonka is supposed to be early 20s, the age where he's bright, naive and believes in the good of people.
I completely agree with your recognition of the innocence of this character and the half hidden manic side of the older portrayal. I disagree however with your conclusion. THIS character would not be one to shut himself away from the world and I believe the contrast is fantastic as it drives home exactly how far they would have had to break Wonka to turn him into the somewhat tragic older incarnation.
Paul King ate! Wonka was beautiful and yes it got me weeping a little. The music numbers took me to those 50s/60s sequences and felt good
The movie was a fun time. Pretty funny and even heartfelt when it needed to be. I cried a few times too 💀
Paul King has a certain humor to his films that really does well for me and Wonka had that. Overall I had a great time with it.
It can’t be any weirder than the Tim Burton version.
That version would have been fine if Wonka hadn't been played the way he was. I liked the kids they chose and the adults, just not Johnny Depp.
I thought Johnny was hilarious and quite liked the childish adult character he played @@be1037
That film really sucked, this one is better
Call me by your Wonka
Isn’t this an entirely different iteration of Willy Wonka? I don’t think he’s meant to be either Gene Wilder or Johnny Depp’s Wonka.
But there have several homages to Wilder's movie. King said that the movie is a prequel to Wilder's movie
The one thing that really didn’t track for me was this Wonka not being able to read, when Wilder’s Wonka is shown to be very well read.
So happy I’m not the only one that cried my eyes out in the theater to that duet
Idk somehow, in the end, I still felt like he was lonely
I did too
thinking about his dead mom as he watched noodle reunite with her mother :/
same
"He could snap at any moment" and he does at the end when he gets mad at Grandpa Joe and Charlie. First time I saw that as a kid, I was scared! The tunnel thing was nothing compared to an angry Willy Wonka. LOL.
Nice review. We are going to see it tomorrow. I'm not expecting something as good as the original or even with the same feel. I'm just hoping for a fun movie and I'm hopeful/encouraged this will be that.
Jesse Grant says this movie plays it too safe with Wonka’s origins. It doesn’t take any risks or goes dark
It's so boring.
Just bc he's not bitter and jaded like Wilder's Wonka doesn't mean he doesn't become that way. They could always do a sequel exploring that
@@face-diaper so everything has to be dark to not be boring?
4:27 Paterson Joseph is great in Peep Show. Same guy who did Succession.
Saw "Wonka" in IMAX. This was the second time I saw this movie after the premier screening. In this dark age of pandemics, wars, and abnormal weather, this film offers the sweet hope of a "dream". Although it is a classic musical, it is directed by Paul King of "Paddington" fame. The charming characters, well thought-out foreshadowing, and various other elements are melted down and solidified to provide the best Christmas movie ever made. You will be enchanted by Timothée's sweet singing, dancing, and Oompa-Loompas. It will make you want to eat chocolate.🍫
I saw it in gold class
I honestly loved the Wonka film. Despite having a couple wonky bits e.g. the Oompa Loompa CGI, it really captured a lot of the magic and mystery of Willy Wonka I got introduced to as a child and was genuinely a very entertaining and funny film. The big differences I noticed is yes there is a lack of colour generally, but as soon as Wonka is on screen with any of his whacky machinery and his presence the entire area lights up and it just adds to the contrast of a pretty poor and gloomy city and how much joy his chocolate brings to everyone. The difference in being an ambitious child wanting to start his big factory vs the more jaded adult counterpart is something I quite liked. In prior films/the books. Wonka had achieved his dream and had lost his spark for joy as such which despite being in such a magical environment, he always seemed sorta bored until meeting Charlie again and getting his spark back. It really helped show how Wonka changed through his life and honestly it is super rare to see a follow up nowadays which actually compliments the original stuff so well. Loved it!
If nothing else, hopefully this movies introduces a whole new audience to the amazing music of the divine comedy! Start with the albums fin di siecle, promenade and Casanova!
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I had no idea Paterson Joseph was in this! Take me Johnson, I'm yours!
This Wonka is the perfect foundation for a dark Gene Wilder in the same way as the current Peter Parker is primed to be Venom. High hopes have massive come-downs, and this entire movie (which I adored) was about a young man unwilling to face the tragedy and trauma of his mothers death. He lives with her on this boat surrounded by cherry blossoms, he opens a shop with the same visual themes thinking it will somehow bring her back to life; he is constantly escaping into fantasy and somewhere along the way, as we learn from Gene Wilder's story, he shutters the factory. Why does he do this? It's unclear. This single story doesn't give us enough to speculate on, but we do see how bright and bubbly he is - and that this clever persona is but a veneer to shield himself from the immense loneliness he eventually must succumb to, or crack beneath.
On the underlying darkness of Willy Wonka, I think a lot of that is down to the idea of his age.
In Willy Wonka and Charlie, he’s been making candy for years, and has been through so many ups and downs that he created a fantasy land that he controls completely within his own factory, and forced everyone else out. I think it’s interesting to see the man that came before, a younger, idealistic version of Wonka, and while I would like to see how that young man becomes the jaded, older version of Wonka, this is a family movie and that might be a bit too depressing for the younger fans.
I haven't seen it yet, but it looks (and sounds from your description) a lot like Mary Poppins Returns, which I actually really loved. I was a cynic after the first few trailers, but now I'm kind of excited for it.
Bro you have such an honest and thorough explanation and opinion of films. I love your videos😌
i watched it the other day and its a good movie by all means, but what annoyed me is the fact that it doesn't pay attention to the fact that willy wonka was supposed to be a metaphor for capitalistic overlords due to his power over the public (the chocolate bar scenes in the gene wilder / johnny depp movies are obvious examples). roald dahl intended him to be an allegory for consumerism but no one seems to care about that integral part of the charlie and the chocolate factory lol. otherwise, it was enjoyable
i guess it's never confirmed which film it's a prequel to but i assumed the original since i think he more so resembles gene
The scene where the Oompa Loompa reclines his chair is GOLDDDD
Will you watch and review The Peasants? As a Polish, I would love to see your take on this big blockbuster for our people. Loved the review. I thought that songs in Wonka were mid.
It has its heart in the right place and a solid cast, but it did not have to go the musical route and I think the Paddington comparisons are not helping.
He said the musical aspect was the best part of the film. See. You can’t make everyone happy.
The musical scenes were underwhelming.
yes! i wish there was more color in this movie, they took the england setting too srsly
I think that Wonka should have had a moment where the candy went wrong and it was HIS fault.
When the shoppers hair started turning green and growing beards I thought “ah yes Wonka experiments a lot and he didn’t test these chocolates properly”
But no, that was sabotage. How grounding would it have been if Wonka was allowed to mess up? Go into a depression, loose his confidence. It would have added so much. But no, it wasn’t him, it was “big chocolate”.
He never made any mistakes and I think that made him dull.
I am a big fan of every wonka movie ever made. I watched the Tim Burton version 57 times and I definitly disagree that its less good than the original. The new Wonka movie, I have watched 4 times and I absolutely adore every little detail that conneccted it to the 1971 version. Such as walking down the stairs and putting one step backwards, then walk further down. and the 'no, scrap that, reverse' line. I liked the extrovert kind of personality to Wonka. I was sceptical about it too, when I first heard another wonka movie was made, but now I have watched it I think its absolutely amazing. I agree the music was absolutely wonderful, and I think Timothee was the perfect actor to play wonka. :)
This video is very well thought out!!
Watched it in the theater today.
I, to be honest, loved Johnny Depp's spin on Wonka; he was sassy, dark, sarcastic, and all around just an iconic character. As a person who watched all 3 movies, Johnny's was the best. Wonka was a little out there, since I was kinda expecting (before I knew it was supposedly a prequel) Charlie, Veruca and all the other characters. Now knowing it is before them, I was a little "relieved", I guess?
Putting it briefly, Wonka was, like you said, a little unexpected. The reason why I think so is because of the happy-go-lucky optimistic mood. I really liked 1971 (Maybe?) and the 2005 for that spooky, mystical mood which I thought of with his factory. Another thing is that somebody in my family thought it felt scripted. I personally thought it didn't feel that way, but... people have their ways, y'know?
All around, I give the movie a 6/10. Pretty "mid", as they say. Still good though!
Man this guy mentions that crocodile movie a lot
Saw this day one in the UK (8th December), as I'm both a Dahl fan, and the show Ghosts, as Mathew Baynton and Simon Farnaby star in the film (with Farnaby being a writer for Wonka & Paddington 2).
And yeah, I agree with some of what you said. I do think Chalamet and Lane were really engaging and entertaining. I liked how they encouraged and inspired one another and how the film ended without causing too many canonical issues.
But... I've got to point out that their singing seemed (at least to me) to be the most autotuned which I found a bit distracting. Especially in comparison to Joseph, Baynton and Lucas' song which sounded excellent. I don't know, maybe it's just the American accent, but Chalamet singing just wasn't as good as I thought it'd be.
As for the songs themselves... Eh. Some were better than others, but none quite wowed me. Sorry to compare again, but Matilda the Musical blows this out of the water, maybe because it's been around for longer, or maybe because Tim Minchin wrote those songs. That film really got the spirit of a musical, with a more consistent sound across the songs.
Here there were some songs that sounded a bit too like a Ben Folds song. For instance: Sorry Noodle, and Still (from Over the Hedge) sound remarkably similar. My favourite song had to be Sweet Tooth, the style and the actors really nailed it.
Effects wise, I didn't think it was too bad. Hugh Grant definitely looked creepy, but at least he was in less of the film than the trailers suggested. But I understand with the story they made that there was a need for a fair amount of CG.
Overall, yeah definitely not the best film, or one that was needed in the first place, but there's still plenty of good in it to be found.
(PS. Love the appearance of Charlotte Ritchie & Phil Wang, that was such a pleasant surprise)
Agree on Matilda, but, that movie had the edge of being written and performed and perfected over time. I wondered if this movie was written for the stage, too, if it would have packed more punch.
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I enjoyed it, but the presence of Patterson Joseph, Olivia Colman and the Isy Suttie cameo just made me think I was watching an episode of Peep Show.
This reminds me of Solo. Before Han became the scoundrel, who was he? What broke him? Giving us this Wonka, pre market betrayal, kidnapping, and then a future betrayal… that pushes him over the edge.
I let that carry on the backend of my imagination. I would love to see him turned into the hermit he becomes.
my friend and me went into the movie expecting a bad movie to laugh about, we did laugh a lot but we loved how whimsical and silly the movie was. i genuinely didn't think it was bad, i loved the campiness of it.
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I'm a ballet dancer and personally what blew me away with this movie was the way musicality was incorporated into every single movement, sound, glance... Even the parts with no music involved musicality, it impressed me so much. Anyways Timothée's acting was phenomenal in this. Plus some subtle movements he does embody Gene Wilder's and remind me so much of his stance
I genuinely loved this movie the whole way through, no issues just whimsy and that’s something I need 9/10 will probably lower it to an 8/10 when it really sits with me but right now I’m riding this high
I like how Timmoty's Wonka. I like how he doesn't try to be like Gene Wilder, and makes Wonka his own. If he was trying to be like Wilder, It would be dull and bad
it didn't have enough THEATRE for a musical.
I think one thing that makes a good movie musical is that it knows it a movie and not a show on a stages. So it can do dynamic shots and larger than life set pieces
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The trailers did this film dirty as hell, I just watched it today and I thought it was sweet, the ending was cute even though we all know Willy probably will become a crazy man from isolation like the other 2 adaptations. A nice, charming movie.
I actually enjoyed this backstory too and the songs are pretty good. It doesn’t feel like a musical it feels like an origin story
The nonstop references and borrowing made me unable to stop rolling my eyes and comparing it to the original, and boy, it did not compare.
I believe you can see some of the kookyness in timmys wonka but I think the darkness in older wonka comes from him being jaded. Young wonka hasn't been beaten down by the world yet- he's still living in loompa land
The songs were okay. For me, the mark of a truly great song is one you remember after hearing it just once - and I don't often have that sensation. Examples of musicals and/or movies that made me feel this way are FIDDLER ON THE ROOF, CHICAGO, THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, and (don't laugh) TOM AND JERRY: THE MOVIE. And, for that matter, the original WILLY WONKA. I didn't feel that way here. But when I listened to the songs a second time, I did remember them - right away. That's close enough.
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I think unveiling his origin story takes away from the magic of Willy Wonka the character. I also agree with you that the movie has a lot of dark color palette going on, with it lacking that darkness that comes from Willy's character. That could have been executed better. We needed some of that darkness.
Maybe they were trying to show that in the beginning, Wonka wasn't so dark but the world around him was.
Maybe we are missing the point entirely.
To be honest, I went into this movie expecting not much, and enjoyed it, but was also really disliked a couple key things that ruined it for me, especially after finding out this is supposed to be a prequel for Gene Wilders Wonka.
The sets felt overly sterile (over reliance on cgi didn’t do this one favors.) the musical numbers were OK but barring the reprises of classic songs, it was pretty forgettable in my opinion.
The biggest thing is something you touched on: wonka is not paddington bear. He is insane and is implied to have either killed or maimed multiple children in the book, and all movies before this. This movie just scrubs his personality into “quirky chocolate boy” and it feels so wrong and misguided to me. The best scenes of the Gene wilder are ones where he is cunning, backhanded, crazy, UNPREDICTABLE. What will happen next? The boat ride scene after gloop, the weird foam car, the fizzy lifting drinks etc.
I saw none of that in Wonka. It felt very safe and predictable. The character of Wonka is just.. nice and wide eyed. I blame the writing and directing choices more than Timmy’s acting. It just didn’t click for me. I very much agree that it felt like King tried to plug Wonka into the Paddington universe, and it just didn’t mesh.
Ultimately, it was still a positive for me though because of your final point, that it was a children’s/all ages movies made with care and love. That’s not easy to find.
I loved it such a good film to watch for Christmas
I’m ab to see this in 2 hours and I hope I cry. I too want to shed a tear at the wonka movie
Okay am I the only one who liked Chalamet in that first trailer? 😅 I knew he could do the happy/funny role because he was great as Laurie in Little Women, so his acting didn't really surprise me, it was what I expected.
What I didn't expect though was how well Wonka blended both Wilder and Depp's versions of the character, it made it really interesting to watch! Wilder's Wonka clearly won out but there were some scenes and moments where you could clearly see Depp's performance written in, I really liked that choice! It made for a nice blend
I mostly enjoyed Wonka but thought the original music was quite weak, which is tough to say for a musical, and a musical that try’s to follow in the footsteps of the 1971 original.
to point out. Wonka is a better musical film (With a W.) then Disney's Wish (With a W.). has the songs that don't make you think that Wishing for a great musical Was not What We got, in the end.
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Chalamet is routinely outclassed by many of the great actors in this film, and honestly that is a strength of this film. The side characters are all great! I’m not even trying to knock him. There are just brilliant actors in this.
I unashamedly loved this movie to bits. I had so much fun, and smiled wide the whole time. Timothee is so fucking wholesome to watch.
I actually loved this version of wonka it made the weird and troubled version more understanding, i like that it shows how much difficulties he went through from opening a business because he wanted to share chocolate with the world to being a king in chocolate making and then to loosing all the passion he had because of people and selling his factory it a perfect story to show how an artist can lose themselves completely
If only they shot this on 35mm film it would've looked gorgeous
You never see the dark side of Wonka here because he didn’t really have it yet, he was still hopeful in this, he got his darker side after he was betrayed and shut himself off from the world, being secluded for years. You could see that he had the ability to become that person in this movie, but he hadn’t been pushed to the point where he did become that person yet, so he was still so full of joy and hopeful. He had a found family in this movie, it’s when he loses that and his trust in all other people that he becomes that darker person. And ofcourse he’s still crazy in this movie, but not nearly as much as the others, and ofcourse he isn’t, the Wonka we’re used has only had people who only communicate through cult-like songs and rhymes. Who wouldn’t go crazy at that? I’ll admit that it has its flaws, but it’s also supposed to be before he becomes the dark person he is. Hun before his descent into madness.
I’ve seen many people being very skeptical about this movie, and so that kinda led me to prepare the movie to be bad. But honestly, I felt myself smiling throughout the movie, and although some jokes didn’t exactly make me laugh, other jokes made me chuckle and breathe through my nostrils. The movie greatly explained Wonka’s backstory and showed foreshadowing that regards to the first movie. This was a charming movie. People should definitely watch it with their families, and all and all I rate it a 7.5/10 :)
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the theater I went to for this movie played the Dune part 2 trailer during previews
I thought Wonka was great. You did a good review and pointed out what you liked and didn't. Thanks.