Hellraiser: Bloodline - Off The Shelf Reviews
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Join Gary and Iain for a review and discussion of, Hellraiser: Bloodline (1996) by Director, Kevin Yagher. Starring, Bruce Ramsay, Valentina Vargas and Doug Bradley.
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Just FYI 'Amen' means 'So be it' - hence Pinhead saying it at the end of the movie as he is about to explode. Enjoying the reviews guys.
I watched it without subtitles so the first time I thought he said "Aw Man.." lmao
You two come across like an old married couple when discussing...it's lovely! :)
*keep it up* from germany
A tip: you can watch movies at Flixzone. I've been using it for watching a lot of movies these days.
@Preston David definitely, been using flixzone} for since december myself :)
@Preston David yup, have been watching on Flixzone} for since december myself :D
Sim!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love it when you both get heated, but I also love that you can both have a difference of opinion.
Man, this has got to be the most heated review debate you guys have ever had!
You really look like you are pissing each other off!
😘
I agree with Gary, even though Bloodlines was severally butchered by the producers, it's far better than Hellraiser 3, with a more interesting storyline. It's a real shame a lot of scenes have been deleted, because a fan edit could turn this film into a superior sequel.
pypeworld *imitates bugle* You're in luck! A fan edit/reconstructed version of this film exists here on RUclips!
@@broodjeaap57 It should still be here on RUclips.
@@broodjeaap57 Hellraiser Bloodline reconstruction:
ruclips.net/p/PLjH1PilDaJWtq1ZBmSRghtYh3B1jGnVmp
I knew Hellraiser: Bloodline was a troubled production, but I had no idea the studio interference was so great! That being said, I enjoyed Bloodline. In my book it ranks third (after Hellbound: Hellraiser II and Hellraiser), warts and all.
Same. It treated the source material with the respect it deserved. Hellraiser 3, imo was shit. Just pure shit.
@@GentleGiantAudio Yeah, that was Anthony Hickok (Waxwork). I had forgotten about it till you mentioned it. I have to say I didn't hate it because that ending was awesome (the idea that the evil emanating from the Lament Configuration was so strong that it Cthulhu-like influenced the minds of the architects and builders of a skyscraper is an interesting idea that could have perhaps led somewhere.
It vaguely reminded me of Poltergeist III, a movie I also enjoyed, for the most part (which is saying something because the writing and acting are fairly cringe at points)
That cenobite dog wasn't dead-dead. It was.... Deader.
Only666ticketstohell I see what you did there.
Thanks a lot Gary, now I can't get the image of pinhead in a yellow cab out of my head: pinhead standing on the sidewalk hailing a taxi in his trademark booming baritone voice, pinhead sitting in the back and the driver's trying to make smalltalk and pinhead's not into it, pinhead getting stressed out cause they're stuck in traffic and he's late for a torture session.. Damn, I don't think I'll ever look at a Hellraiser movie the same again!😱🚕😱
The actress who played Angelique in this was absolutely stunning. Got this on 4k yesterday with the Arrow release.
"Pinhead" was always "The Hell Priest" he's never been called Pinhead in Clive Barker's books. Heaven and Hell have always been there in the source material.
Pinhead didn't give a damn. 'Amen' literally translates as 'so be it'. He was gladly accepting his fate.
38:00 I died at "Token black guy!" hahaha
I enjoyed the heated debate between you two, very entertaining while also reviewing the movie!
this one had SUCH potential and I feel if the studio hadn't interfered it would have been a MUCH better film
You fellas debating over 'Hell' had me in stitches, another great review, and as always...entertaining throughout.
You guys Freakin' ROCK!!! Watching your entire Hellraiser reviews as I write this... You guys absolutely nail it! ALWAYS bringing up points I thought watching I thought first watching. Love these! Now... inferno! I know it wasn't actually supposed to be a H.R. movie, but it's one of my favorites. GREAT GREAT GREAT WORK GUYS 👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
The 'director's cut' exist somewhere,somes parts are available on you tube.
The 'dog' was a human,on Hellraiser comics,they are a lot of stranges stuff from hell...it's hell a pagan/Hobbes (inside the Leviathan you have two gods male and female fighting together if I remerber correctly).
(Like a 'Mexican' Evil dead 2 cut with fews inedits minutes never released on ld/dvd/bluray sadly).
Pinhead does say, "do I look like someone who cares what God thinks?", but he never specifies which God....it's never confirmed that he refers to the Judeo-Christian God. I think it's left open-ended so that the viewer can interpret it whichever way will terrify them most based on their cultural upbringing.
Yes, it could be interpreted as just a general mockery of religion, which I think is the way I took it.
Correct. He's placing himself outside (or perhaps even above) the paradigm of human theologies--he's saying he's something we don't even have a *category* for. It's basically an extension of Barker's affinity for the influence of Lovecraft, and it's one of the few things _Bloodlines_ gets absolutely right.
Doug Bradley is the best Pinhead. I don't care who takes the mantle of Pinhead if Hellraiser continues, no one will ever replace Doug's legendary performance as Pinhead, in my opinion.
PotatoHedgehog Agreed. Just like Robert Englund is the best Freddy Krueger. Jackie Haley did try his best in the remake, but he can't top Englund's performance. Even if the sequels were hit and miss, Robert Englund was the best part of them and the only reason to watch them.
Yeah, no questions about it.
I think someone else could do justice to Pinhead, but he would have to be pretty special.
This was the first OTS review video i ever watched and the reason i subbed.
CHEERS!
Also *Turn Up*
Man you guys need more views just found this channel, gotta say loving it.
I always enjoy the reviews you two produce. Gary has a tremendous knack for explaining the more obtuse plot points of a film, and Iain's commentary is extremely entertaining. I have a couple of questions for you guys regarding this movie though. I always had a similar understanding as Gary of what "Hell" is meant to represent in the Hellraiser series - that it is not the Hell of the Abrahamic religions, rather it is another dimension that is so abhorrent to us humans that we could only describe it as "Hell," and the Cenobites as "demons." The dialogue and events of the first two films in the series seem to be consistent with that understanding. I suppose we have to assume it is just a massive coincidence that the other dimension is also called Hell, or that Pinhead refers it as Hell since he is/was human and that is the best word he can use to describe it?
Either way, Clive Barker's book from 2015, The Scarlet Gospels, does seem to prove Iain right about the religious aspects of the series. I have not read it yet myself, but I know that Pinhead (referred to as the "Hell Priest") actually encounters Lucifer in Hell (and for some reason does battle with him). The book also makes direct references to angels and God. I don't understand how that is supposed to be compatible with The Hellbound Heart, or how the Cenobites are described as explorers from another dimension - the two books seem to be in direct contradiction of one another. I was wondering what your thoughts on this are? I can't make any sense of it.
Could it not be like _Doom: Eternal,_ where there exists an Allighieri-style Hell dimension but also other weird alternate dimensions that cross it, one of which is the native universe of the Cenobites?
Loving these regular uploads...or more regular should I say.
As awesome as Jadzia Dax is, I actually liked this movie more than part 3. In fact I'd say my only favorite hellraiser movies in the entire series have been 1, 2, and 4, and sortof 5. 3 was like random fan fiction that didn't fit the tone of the originals. God I love the performance of the Cenobites in 1 and 2.
Guys please slow down i need sleep damn it :P
This is the first time I’ve ever heard the two actually argue and it’s scaring me
Clive Barker's version of Hell in The Scarlet Gospels is very much a Judeo-Christian version, which was disappointing. Lucifer has built a giant machine to commit suicide, while the Hell Priest learns human magic to kill the distorted demons of the hellscape and take over Lucifer's mantle.
EDIT: It was really weird to be such a fan of Hellraiser, especially with its Lovecraftian aspects, for it just to fall back on Judeo-Christian tropes.
Leviathan is never referenced in the Scarlet Gospels, I'm assuming because Barker only wrote the first one.
Just found your channel and love it.
Part 4 was weakish but i thought was good fun at times too also.
Crappy film, awesome review, keep up the good work.
I look forward to your reviews .Damn good time .Please keep them coming .
At 7:51 is that Ben wyatt from Parks and rec? The dude next to the aristocrat
i really appreciate the slaughtered lamb, t-shirt.
This movies gonna break up the happy couple...NOOO
Great review. Unfortunately it is not good either but I found to be at least more faithful in tone versus the over the top sequel before it. Also the cenobite designs felt more in line than the previous ones. The music was also more enjoyable as well. It certainly would've helped if they did not start in the future and jump back. Poor Kevin Yagher, he might've had something.
I have to admit this was the first Hellraiser Movie that I watched. When I was young, I was watching movies from the cable channels, I just happen to run across this movie.
The Cenobites should never have been expanded upon or explained past what was divulged in Hellraiser 2 Hellbound.
A monster becomes completely neutered once you know too much about them. Once you know what a monster has for breakfast it's hard to then be scared of them ever again.
I only consider the Hellraiser series to be the first two films and the rest are just dumb fan fiction.
SpeedBoost Duuuuuude! I COMPLETELY agree.
Ian & Gary should've married each other because the way they fight in this review just cracks me up.
There IS a reconstructed cut on of this film here on RUclips that has some of the deleted scenes you mentioned. RUclipsr lazarusryu worked hard on it, so I think you should check out the Reconstruction Workprint and leave your thoughts on it. He split it into separate videos, but what can you do with RUclips restrictions at that time, right?
I agree with I Really Don't Like Space Adventures. The Hell Dimension is clearly supposed to be the biblical Hell in this movie, despite the previous movies being more ambiguous
I love when you guys argue over different scenes!!! lol
Maybe Pinhead was saying Eamon, as if calling out to Eamon Holmes to come rescue him. Or give him a cuddle 🙄
Hellraiser Bloodline 1996 was decent film but fell short of greatness (this film should have been the best of them all) after Bloodline film Valentina Vargas did she disappear from film industry? Valentina Vargas & Bruce Ramsey saved the film they made the film good and great
44:33 to me it makes sense that decompression would destroy a fleshy being.
1996 merchant anyone else notice the blade cuts his head off but holding the chain didn't remove his hands...
First guy ever not to solve that dang box
I found this Hellraiser: Bloodline to be a very unsettling film. Watching the two security guards get twisted into one cenobite was really difficult to watch for some reason. There is also a scene where the father gets decapitated in front of his young son and wife. Really harsh, and disturbing. I felt the space idea to be a poor choice, but the puzzle box/toymaker angle to be brilliant. Sort of an underrated film and it should have been a lot worse due to the production problems.
mmmm Valentina Vargas
It's entertaining to watch the guys compare their interpretations of the film! Lmao! Good job making sense of a film that is all over the map!
Great review again guys, hoping u will do more of the John carpenter films in depth in the future, I know u covered prince of darkness and Halloween, but I would love u too to review the thing and escape from New York :)
AND... All of these "Hellish" beings are like house cats, if your house was a hellish dimension, who enjoy playing with and tormenting their prey.
*Pinhead/The Priest does refer to earth as the Garden of Eden. So, Iain's argument holds water.
Can you guys do an off the shelf review of Sudden Death which features Van damme?
I'm already a Patreon
you guys should review the gate. it has really good camera work for the 80s
Check out RedLetterMedia. They have just reviewed it.
TravellingShoes Their reviews are more for comedy purposes (like their Star Wars Prequel Trilogy reviews).
I liked Bloodline quite a bit b/c it dealt with the lore of the box, the maker, the demons who came with it and some of the acting was also quite good. I also like the idea of a counter to the Lament Configuration. Elysium. It makes perfect sense considering the origin of the word and the premise. The film went into a bit more cerebral territory regarding the origins of the box and all who were misfortunate enough to come across it and solve it. The overall quality of the production seemed to be much higher than the previous offering.... (And b/c anything, even in a dog turd in a casserole was an improvement over Hellraiser 3's production values.) That movie still makes me livid. WHY. JUST WHY. That movie exists for absolutely no good reason. Some of the ideas were good in it but the acting, the special effects... no one seemed to take this movie seriously when they were acting in it so why should I botherI? After experiencing the glory that was Hellbound, probably one of my favorite horror sequels of all time, to then be followed by garbage.... my least favorite horror film of all time just based upon disappointment of not living up to its predecessors, so I wasn't expecting much for Bloodlines but it was captivating in its own way and actually was written somewhat competently which was great after watching Hellraiser 3, which again is a terribly stupid movie, and that's being gentle and b/c I am growing bored of talking and thinking about how stupid and shitty and pointless that film is.
I actually liked bloodline. It’s not great and the cenobites are weak, but I enjoyed it more than Hellraiser III. After this the whole franchise went to... well, hell.
Speaking of the comics, it apparently IS...kind of? Demonic posession? Pinhead is the vessel for the spirit of Xipe Totec-who has existed in spirit form I guess for millenia in Hell. Thats if you want to take the comics into consideration though
that sounds ridiculous haha
Another great review...did you guys ever review the 1st 3 Childs Play films?
Never seen you fall out so much before, personally I'm with Gary.
Saying it’s Hell but not “the Biblical Hell” is rather like saying it’s Othello but not “Shakespeare’s Othello”. I don’t understand the point of contention. They refer to Hell repeatedly, Hell only comes from the Bible (and Leviathan is in there too), and unless you think there is a literal Hell that you can drive or fly to, the one in the Bible is “another dimension”. I suppose I don’t see what the difference is or why it would matter. It’s a practically universal concept. Even the “demons to some, angels to others” bit would make sense taken at face value as the demons were angels that wanted to screw human women and corrupt and torment people. To “explore” if you like. And they are from another dimension.
Don’t fight is all I’m sayin...
Great review once again guys. one thing: the scene where you say it doesn't make sense to create a puzzel/toy and then imediatly also make a stopping or locking it. It makes scense wouldn't you say. You have to control it...for something happens..
oh please carry on with this series I'd love to see your opinions on some of the later ones :)
I am pretty sure in the United States this movie was a Showtime original, like the outer limits. I know it did not come out in theaters, at least locally.
Weird, my brother and i went to see it in the theatre in tempe, az when it came out. Then rented it later on vhs.
@@joshfacio9379 seems I was wrong. My locale is kinda lame, probably just didn't play here.
Maybe "Daughter of Leviathan" is like some sort of priestess title? I should shut up as I've never seen the movie, but I have seen many many of your videos. Still, "Preistess of Leviathan" sounds badass. Copyright 2019
I like the idea of telling the story of the the history of the box and its creator through the ages. I like this concept so much that i keep going back to this movie and then i remember that its mostly trash lol
DO I LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO CARES WHAT GOD THINKS?!
I saw it the day it opened in the theaters.
Watching this in 2024. Why? Their friendship!
The writers should have had Kirsty be of the bloodline. That would've been great.
This is one of the shelf best reviews, love it, "the sweet suffering" gary and iain go through watching these 😂
They could have just covered the floors and splattered the walls with blood if they didnt want to add to cost but still give the idea that there had been a massarce in the building
I must be the only person in the world who actually really likes this movie. Okay its not as good as one and two but i enjoyed it all the way through which is more then i can say about the third one. The only big problems i had with it are the fact that pinhead isnt scary anymore and he was way to easily defeated, the ending was just fucked up basically! Also the whole slasher ending on the spaceship could have been done way better, the space police guys where just a bunch of fodder and it was over in like 10 minutes, that was pretty dissapointing. But i still liked the majority of the movie. Great review guys!
i iiked it as well.
I liked it
Matthias_ Verhaeghe There's a reconstructed workprint of this film that someone here on RUclips found and put together. Check it out.
Interestingly the kevin yagehr's first directorial project was ANOES 5: The Dream Child which by all accounts was a chaotic shitshow of a production in which the movie was being shot as the script pages for the day was being written due to a writer's strike not to mention that New Line had a poster complete with tagline and marketing package ready to go BEFORE they even has a first draft script.
Keep up the good work looking at horror movies
Warhammer 40k reference :)
Bloodline was really obviously botched, but I do enjoy Angelique and Pinhead, there are good horror effects and the 18th century stuff is nicely creepy. "Do I look like I care what God thinks" is iconic. I don't like that Angelique, an interesting new character, effectively disappears once Pinhead comes back. And the way the present and future stuff is shot makes it look cheap. A director with a better eye could have made it more impressive.
Anyway, good review. I am only starting to work my way through what must be hundreds of videos!
"Cenobite," is not a Race or a Species... it's a Title... It's basically their, "Religion." Cenobites are the Followers of Leviathan... and that's why they had to Follow certain, "Rules." There really isn't any Traditional, "Demons," in the Hellraiser Universe, like all that, as to Demon Possess People... We don't really know what Angelique was before being trapped in that Girls Body, but according to the Lore in the Comics, even the Engineer was created from Humans, (Multiple Humans, but still made from Humans,) so since there really is no traditional Demons in the Hellraiser Universe, it's fine to simply equate the Cenobites to Demons... because that's just basically what Demons are in the Hellraiser Universe... kinda like how in Supernatural, the Demons were once Human as well, (even if they Possess People in that show, that's not the part that's similar, it's the whole them once being Human thing that is the similar part, lol.)
I personally prefer Pinhead (Priest) over any other of these movie killers, and his voice, simply awesome.
37:01 maybe all the Toymakers co workers went home after work like and it was after hours in the building?
Seriously. Pinhead calls Angelique princess as a mocking nickname. That simple. And she's older than him and probably a true Neve been human demon. That's my take
Funnily enough, this is my first and only, Hellraiser movie I've seen at this point. This is my 2nd or 3rd time through these reviews though, so I know that I didn't miss anything with the sequels. The first 2 movies sound like they would have been pretty good, if I had went into them blind.
I recommend the sequels. They're not great but there's plenty to enjoy.
Pinhead is looking around like, "WTF?!"
😂😂😂
thank you for your review i loved the deleted scenes
As an atheist, I appreciated Hellraiser 1-2 emphasized the "hell" dimension wasn't a "biblical" one. And also, that Pinhead/cenabytes weren't demons. Yes, the religious implications from 3 on, did irk my nerves. So, I'm you caught that, Iain, and you guys discussed it.
Been trying to work out what's on the front of the cap, NXT?
Great stuff chaps love the reviews been watching at least one a day during lockdown.
I haven`t seen this one yet, but from what I can gather this movie sounds like so much wasted potential, the Angelique character in particular seems very interesting! Its a pity when what could have been a good movie gets blown up by the producers.
47:52 What comic is this from?
It's funny that if you pause it during the scene with the hooks going into the guards face at 38:05 you can see that the hooks are completely blunt (their hook ends have been rounded) so they look like cheap Halloween decorations.
How lazy was the SFX team that they couldn't have just cast real hooks and then make flexible semi rigid foam copies?
I work as an SFX artist and that type of mold and casting can be done in an afternoon and it would only take a few hours for the molds to cure and then to paint, age and finish the flexible hooks.
It amazes me that someone thought that a hero prop that was going to appear in a close up like that, was acceptable to have it look so blatantly cheap and fake looking.
Big fan from chicago
im religious i never had a problem with these films dont see why any one would its just film
The cenobites when created look like they are being embalmed. ☠️☠️☠️☠️
I’d rather watch you guys discuss crappy horror sequels than actually watching the actual movies
I guess it's like dooms hell another universe that appears to be what we believe to be a biblical hell
I love this guys
The only thing I remember from this movie are those hunky twins.
saw this in theaters when i was way too young and somehow convinced my mother to bring me and she made me leave about halfway through because of all the nudity and gore haha gave me nightmares for a month.
Ian I have to know where did you get that awesome werewolf shirt!! I want it!!!!
This I think was the last one to be in cinemas.
I enjoy all 4 of the hellraiser movies. 5 through 9 sucked. Haven’t seen the 10th yet.
i think Pinhead doesnt understand tech is maybe why he fell for the hologram trick.
Dave Booshty a being from another dimension doesn’t understand tech?
I side with Iain and the biblical Hell. Clive’s story it appears to Not be the biblical hell “another dimension” But Clive got shoved aside after #1 and you have to go by what’s on the screen, not deleted scenes etc. It’s God, Eden and Hell. Also Wikipedia is nowhere near a credible source. Lol