Side note: I was at my local camera store in Los Angeles county today and was told that the Canon R5 Mark II is going to be part of their "No Tax" promotion for Black Friday -- in LA, that's a 10%+ tax. I was even told I could get some free items (not mentioned what those would be specifically) tossed into the deal. I actually emailed the sales person after I got home to make sure we were talking about the Canon R5 Mark II. Not sure if something can be read into that or not, because it just seems a bit quick to me.
Unfortunately the same happens with CR3 RAW files, where thumbnails do not show up and loading up with their preview app is not supported. Despite updating to the latest Sequoia release and trying a few workarounds, including copying files to an SSD and reading from there to no avail, I don't see a way to fix it other than having to use DPP4 to cull before importing to Lr, which does slow down workflow terribly. Has anyone encountered the same issues or has found a way to solve this too?
@@J_Maverick16Aviation I stuffed up, thought the video was about stills, didn't realise it was video and FCP on a Mac. I know nothing about video. I do know stuff about Macs though :)
B&H finally notified me that they are finally shipping the Power Adapter for the R5II Dummy Battery. They just don't have any idea when I will receive it. Cheers!
Hi Simon, sounds indeed like some un-needed frustration ! When setting up my new toy last week, I noticed Canon Belgium lists "Canon RAW Plugin for Final Cut Pro X" .. maybe this teaches Final cut how to read R5ii formatted cards ?? I have no Mac and didn't have time yet to set the video options, so I wouldn't know. During my first day using the R5ii in a kingfisher hide, my 3660 images were interrupted by 2 odd freezes: I had taken my eye off the EVF, so it switched to the LCD .. the LCD kept updating (like the level indicator etc ..) .. but I couldn't switch to the EVF and no buttons would react, even switching it off didn't turn of the LCD activity 🙈 Obviously the battery-removal trick was able to return it back to normal operation.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yeah Apple is at fault here. I emailed both Canon and Apple about it and it’s Apple that did not add this support. They confirmed it and told me to write a feedback note to which they will not reply ever. So we only can hope they can add it with a next security update or OS
What is your experience with the r5 mark II? I shoot mainly dogsport and i am interested in this camera so i can crop better. Is the autofocus atleast onpar with the r6 mark II? Also, will audio be recorded when you record in 4k120?
What I generally hear about this issue is it does require the manufacturer of the camera to submit it to Apple. It’s not that Apple is dragging their feet. It’s often that the manufacturer needs to just get their stuff together. But another thing is too. I am very curious what it is that you shoot that requires raw?
I suspect it is a little of both. All stills I shot are raw. I cannot use them if FCPX unless I load them into something else and export - takes more time...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker oh I think I totally misunderstood. Then I thought you were talking about raw video not raw images. I know Apple has had a couple codec updates with FCP 11 but yeah, I never imported raws directly into fcp. And I guess the reason for that is that I usually do some sort of processing on them and capture one is a lot better for that than FCP would be.
@ my bigger complaint with FCP was more about its support for audio plug-ins. For instance, isotope had a lot of automated features that could help tweak settings and they worked sometimes work didn’t work other times now. It seems to be a lot better or I just use alternatives, but audio plug-in support was definitely slow when compared to the lakes of their audio applications.
Hey, i've watched all your R5 to R5II videos. Im wondering if the processor will handle that fine 4k without micro jittering? And also would hope to see you do real world test CL2/CL3 about the noise of shadows! I I ordered mine from finland 21.sept. And still waiting. Pre-orders will shipped to customer within 2-4weeks? (They said). Should i complain? Spent +8k for the body+lens. And only they send me bills. Any advice will be appreciated I do not recommend Scandinavian Photo IF you from Nordic, please pick small groundstore partner near you.
I did a preview of the CL2 and CL3 right when I got the camera. CL2 has better colour rendition in low light. It's easier to grade for that reason. The dynamic range is also noticeable. Waveforms also make shooting with CL2 a breeze.
I was expecting the end of the video to tell you about Resolve 😂 don't fear the learning curve, one day and you get the main idea of the GUI, which is quite different from other NLEs. BTW, I was looking for the eyecup for the EOS R5, I saw your video, but didn't find the website to get it, I contacted Canon, they ask for a phone call to purchase the part 😂 go figure… I'm seriously considering switching, I used to criticize Nikon, but the Z8 and 9 with its raw codecs, incomparable to the others.
It's not the learning curve, it's having to use two systems. I have too much content in FCPX and not about to migrate it. A camera file will come out, but its taking too long.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker it would be interesting to know who is behind the ball on R52 CR3’s not being supported. Are Apple and MSFT (still) waiting for the API from Canon? Or did Canon already provide it, and now we are waiting for the OS devs to implement? The camera has been out for quite awhile now, and somehow Adobe apps fully support the files…
Simon, Just wanted to let you know that I decided to pull the trigger on a new R5 original with USA warranty. I waited a bit too long and missed out on my $2200 deals. Finally, went with the CanonPriceWatch deal and had the camera in hand 2 days later. For me the biggest determining factor was the quality of the stills in low light. The noise on the R5 II is about a stop worse and the new body really needs the new battery and the grip. I just would rather spend the extra $2500 for a good lens. I will probably get the new 24-105 f2.8 L Z or the 70-200 f2.8 L Z. At $2500 the R5 is a good deal. I have some V90 256GB SD cards and a half dozen of the B&H and San Disk extreme pro 512 GB express cards. They should serve me well if I write JPG or HEIF files to the SD and raw files to the express card. I am going to document the Christmas decorating process for the wife and kids. In the Spring of next year I will have my new home studio addition completed and finally have a dedicated space where all of my lighting and background equipment and light modifiers can remain set up. At 73 in January I am looking forward to having my own creative space. All the best.
For stills, ISO 12800 is much noisier than the R5. For birders it's definitely an issue. But for video, the R52 is better because of Canon log 2. I'd say for anyone shooting higher than 3200, consider the MK1.
@ , Simon, I have a number of venues where I am regularly at 12800 and 1/160 s. With the older 24MP and 30 MP range cameras I don’t have any problems with either Canon or Sony camera bodies either Mirrorless or DSLR like the 5D IV. With the 45 MP R5 I can apply TopazLabs tools but with the R5 II the noise was just a bit too much for my liking. In my most used liturgical event space I have been able to use 1/160 s in silent shutter mode without banding on the R5 . For me the ability to use my old batteries and price is a huge advantage too. It is funny but I never really thought that I would be getting the R5. I was focused upon the R1 and R5 II . I am also impressed with the Sony A1 and A1 II. So far I am pleased with my new R5. I am very pleased with the cost which has left me room for another high end lens or that Sony body. I think that my video needs will be met by the R5 but only because I do most of my video work with my Rotolights in controlled conditions. Next generation will force me to buy the newer model because of the video capabilities and because I think that stills and video technology will have merged even more.
You formated with the mk1 and video worked. Did you try formatting with your Mac? Many don't have access to the mk1. But we do have access to our computers.
Just so I understand, because you know I don't know zip about video, you're now formatting your 4 TB card in your R5 and using it in your R5 II (not reformatting) for video? I wouldn't think that would even work for video or stills. I learned something new. Have you called Canon CPS to let them know? Maybe there is something going on with the R5 II's formatting. I am glad you figured this out, though, and that it's working for you now.
The 4TB card is supported, but only 2TB is accessible. It was the only free card I had to test ;) Canon says not their issue - agreed. Apple regularly provides updates as new cameras come out. It's not a big update, but the R52 has been out for three months which is a long time waiting. I also can't load CR3 files into FCPX - antlers annoyance.
It's likely a low priority item in a list of things that need to be done. I just hope this gets a bit more attention as the camera is three months old now.
If I were a betting man I would say the problem lies in the metadata. I bet the formatted card identifies the camera. Will it work if you can change the camera identifier after an R5 ii format to an R5. This means Final Cut doesn’t have to evaluate the file structure to know if it will work. It has an identifier to quickly determine compatibility. My beef with Canon. I use darktable to process photos. Canon and others refuse to provide file format information. Giving Adobe a great first Raw processing advantage. Is Adobe paying the camera manufacturers to block other photo processing apps? Open source photography software have to reverse engineer to figure it out. Actually a few Raw processing groups figure it out. Then companies like darktable are only then able to incorporate the camera. Still waiting for darktable to provide Raw support for the R5 mark ii.
I did. I spent 5 hours on this. Now I wait a week or two and see if this doesn't shake things up. You could also use the information provided and look for a different solution ;)
Just face it, Simon. Switch to DaVinci Resolve. I even heard rumors of Apple considering buying BMD. If this comes to pass, then Final Cut will slowly wither on the vine.
It feels like you talk a bit too much about apple not doing anything and not about canon since it could be a problem on both sides at the same time. Maybe the camera bakes in certain data into the card/files that causes an issue with FInal Cut. It feels like it could be an issue with the camera itself since R5 II and R5 I behave differently. While yes, apple could fix it potentially, but it also feels like canon bakes in something into the card when it is formatted by the R5 II and they could revise that.
The file structure is definitely different, but there no reason why the software can't allow importing of segments regardless of where it is stored. There no reason for that. I placed the same file in three separate locations, and I could only load a segment of it if it was on the R5MK1 formatted card...
R5ii raw files for photos still aren’t readable on iPads either. Very frustrating as I can no longer cull through the photos app.
Neither are they editable in FCPX.
informative news thanks Simon.
I don’t use camera as card reader ) I don’t now why you use it. Copying all clips from card to quick SSD storage and use as usual)
No problem using a card reader to copy my R5ii to may Mac since day one.😆
Side note: I was at my local camera store in Los Angeles county today and was told that the Canon R5 Mark II is going to be part of their "No Tax" promotion for Black Friday -- in LA, that's a 10%+ tax. I was even told I could get some free items (not mentioned what those would be specifically) tossed into the deal. I actually emailed the sales person after I got home to make sure we were talking about the Canon R5 Mark II. Not sure if something can be read into that or not, because it just seems a bit quick to me.
Very nice. I like no tax :)
Unfortunately the same happens with CR3 RAW files, where thumbnails do not show up and loading up with their preview app is not supported. Despite updating to the latest Sequoia release and trying a few workarounds, including copying files to an SSD and reading from there to no avail, I don't see a way to fix it other than having to use DPP4 to cull before importing to Lr, which does slow down workflow terribly.
Has anyone encountered the same issues or has found a way to solve this too?
We just have to wait until they release a camera file for FCPX. It normally doesn't;t take three months for this to happen.
have you tried Faststone image viewer? Rawdigger x64 is also another option.
@@davepastern I'm not seeing a Mac version for Faststone, but I will take a look at Rawdigger for sure.
@@J_Maverick16Aviation I stuffed up, thought the video was about stills, didn't realise it was video and FCP on a Mac. I know nothing about video. I do know stuff about Macs though :)
@@davepastern I don't really do videos either but it still feels like a struggle nevertheless.
I would hate to buy a R5 to fix this problem. Cheers!
B&H finally notified me that they are finally shipping the Power Adapter for the R5II Dummy Battery. They just don't have any idea when I will receive it. Cheers!
I'm still waiting on mine Randy ;)
you can use any 65W PD battery or USBC power supply.
Got PDE2 Power Adapter to the R5II Dummy Battery and it is working great! Did a video about it. Cheers! 😉
Hi Simon, sounds indeed like some un-needed frustration !
When setting up my new toy last week, I noticed Canon Belgium lists "Canon RAW Plugin for Final Cut Pro X" .. maybe this teaches Final cut how to read R5ii formatted cards ?? I have no Mac and didn't have time yet to set the video options, so I wouldn't know.
During my first day using the R5ii in a kingfisher hide, my 3660 images were interrupted by 2 odd freezes: I had taken my eye off the EVF, so it switched to the LCD .. the LCD kept updating (like the level indicator etc ..) .. but I couldn't switch to the EVF and no buttons would react, even switching it off didn't turn of the LCD activity 🙈 Obviously the battery-removal trick was able to return it back to normal operation.
Would be nice to change WB or ISO inside of FCPX of CRM files😢
R5 C RAW has no Apple support to this day at all as well in iOS
Yep,,, Recorded my first clip and that's it. Without support, I have been unable;e to test it.
that's a Canon issue, not an Apple issue...don't blame Apple.
@ no it’s not. It is Apple that didn’t update support. I emailed them and talked via support.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yeah Apple is at fault here. I emailed both Canon and Apple about it and it’s Apple that did not add this support. They confirmed it and told me to write a feedback note to which they will not reply ever. So we only can hope they can add it with a next security update or OS
@@davepastern Don't be a fanboy. This is an Apple problem, NOT a Canon problem.
Nice find, Simon! You're probably going to help aot of people, temporarily. Have you bought an R5 Mk II or are you just testing one at the moment?
It's my camera. Been using it a lot.
What is your experience with the r5 mark II? I shoot mainly dogsport and i am interested in this camera so i can crop better. Is the autofocus atleast onpar with the r6 mark II?
Also, will audio be recorded when you record in 4k120?
What I generally hear about this issue is it does require the manufacturer of the camera to submit it to Apple. It’s not that Apple is dragging their feet. It’s often that the manufacturer needs to just get their stuff together. But another thing is too. I am very curious what it is that you shoot that requires raw?
I suspect it is a little of both. All stills I shot are raw. I cannot use them if FCPX unless I load them into something else and export - takes more time...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker oh I think I totally misunderstood. Then I thought you were talking about raw video not raw images. I know Apple has had a couple codec updates with FCP 11 but yeah, I never imported raws directly into fcp. And I guess the reason for that is that I usually do some sort of processing on them and capture one is a lot better for that than FCP would be.
@ my bigger complaint with FCP was more about its support for audio plug-ins. For instance, isotope had a lot of automated features that could help tweak settings and they worked sometimes work didn’t work other times now. It seems to be a lot better or I just use alternatives, but audio plug-in support was definitely slow when compared to the lakes of their audio applications.
Try DaVinci Resolve
Hey, i've watched all your R5 to R5II videos. Im wondering if the processor will handle that fine 4k without micro jittering? And also would hope to see you do real world test CL2/CL3 about the noise of shadows! I
I ordered mine from finland 21.sept. And still waiting. Pre-orders will shipped to customer within 2-4weeks? (They said). Should i complain? Spent +8k for the body+lens. And only they send me bills. Any advice will be appreciated
I do not recommend Scandinavian Photo IF you from Nordic, please pick small groundstore partner near you.
I did a preview of the CL2 and CL3 right when I got the camera. CL2 has better colour rendition in low light. It's easier to grade for that reason. The dynamic range is also noticeable. Waveforms also make shooting with CL2 a breeze.
Very Frustrating 🎥
I was expecting the end of the video to tell you about Resolve 😂 don't fear the learning curve, one day and you get the main idea of the GUI, which is quite different from other NLEs. BTW, I was looking for the eyecup for the EOS R5, I saw your video, but didn't find the website to get it, I contacted Canon, they ask for a phone call to purchase the part 😂 go figure… I'm seriously considering switching, I used to criticize Nikon, but the Z8 and 9 with its raw codecs, incomparable to the others.
It's not the learning curve, it's having to use two systems. I have too much content in FCPX and not about to migrate it. A camera file will come out, but its taking too long.
Frustrating. Do Windows 10 and 11 fully support the R5 mk2 SRAW files in the way you need?
Even if they did, switching platforms would make no sense. Just raising a little hell to get attention ;) DR supports the R52...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker it would be interesting to know who is behind the ball on R52 CR3’s not being supported. Are Apple and MSFT (still) waiting for the API from Canon? Or did Canon already provide it, and now we are waiting for the OS devs to implement? The camera has been out for quite awhile now, and somehow Adobe apps fully support the files…
Simon,
Just wanted to let you know that I decided to pull the trigger on a new R5 original with USA warranty. I waited a bit too long and missed out on my $2200 deals. Finally, went with the CanonPriceWatch deal and had the camera in hand 2 days later.
For me the biggest determining factor was the quality of the stills in low light. The noise on the R5 II is about a stop worse and the new body really needs the new battery and the grip. I just would rather spend the extra $2500 for a good lens. I will probably get the new 24-105 f2.8 L Z or the 70-200 f2.8 L Z. At $2500 the R5 is a good deal. I have some V90 256GB SD cards and a half dozen of the B&H and San Disk extreme pro 512 GB express cards. They should serve me well if I write JPG or HEIF files to the SD and raw files to the express card.
I am going to document the Christmas decorating process for the wife and kids. In the Spring of next year I will have my new home studio addition completed and finally have a dedicated space where all of my lighting and background equipment and light modifiers can remain set up.
At 73 in January I am looking forward to having my own creative space. All the best.
For stills, ISO 12800 is much noisier than the R5. For birders it's definitely an issue. But for video, the R52 is better because of Canon log 2. I'd say for anyone shooting higher than 3200, consider the MK1.
@ ,
Simon,
I have a number of venues where I am regularly at 12800 and 1/160 s. With the older 24MP and 30 MP range cameras I don’t have any problems with either Canon or Sony camera bodies either Mirrorless or DSLR like the 5D IV. With the 45 MP R5 I can apply TopazLabs tools but with the R5 II the noise was just a bit too much for my liking. In my most used liturgical event space I have been able to use 1/160 s in silent shutter mode without banding on the R5 . For me the ability to use my old batteries and price is a huge advantage too. It is funny but I never really thought that I would be getting the R5. I was focused upon the R1 and R5 II . I am also impressed with the Sony A1 and A1 II. So far I am pleased with my new R5. I am very pleased with the cost which has left me room for another high end lens or that Sony body.
I think that my video needs will be met by the R5 but only because I do most of my video work with my Rotolights in controlled conditions. Next generation will force me to buy the newer model because of the video capabilities and because I think that stills and video technology will have merged even more.
We need Final Cut on PC 😁
It's pretty smooth to work with. I don't see Apple migrating that app any time soon. DR is a very good NLE. If I was on windows, I would use DR.
Hmm! Canon R5 $1000 off at my camera store. 🙃
You formated with the mk1 and video worked. Did you try formatting with your Mac? Many don't have access to the mk1. But we do have access to our computers.
Cards have to be formatted in camera. If formatted in the MacOS, it will have to be formatted again for the camera to recognize the card.
Just so I understand, because you know I don't know zip about video, you're now formatting your 4 TB card in your R5 and using it in your R5 II (not reformatting) for video? I wouldn't think that would even work for video or stills. I learned something new. Have you called Canon CPS to let them know? Maybe there is something going on with the R5 II's formatting. I am glad you figured this out, though, and that it's working for you now.
The 4TB card is supported, but only 2TB is accessible. It was the only free card I had to test ;)
Canon says not their issue - agreed. Apple regularly provides updates as new cameras come out. It's not a big update, but the R52 has been out for three months which is a long time waiting. I also can't load CR3 files into FCPX - antlers annoyance.
Mm. Actually, that sounds like it could be "fixed" by Canon. It sounds like they changed a "procedure" somewhere.
It's likely a low priority item in a list of things that need to be done. I just hope this gets a bit more attention as the camera is three months old now.
How did you get it? No stock at all here!
Had it first day Bill. Preorder with my local camera store early on.
So is an issue with Apple not Canon
Yes. Any new camera may require camera support. it is up to the software companies to provide the updates.
If I were a betting man I would say the problem lies in the metadata. I bet the formatted card identifies the camera. Will it work if you can change the camera identifier after an R5 ii format to an R5. This means Final Cut doesn’t have to evaluate the file structure to know if it will work. It has an identifier to quickly determine compatibility.
My beef with Canon. I use darktable to process photos. Canon and others refuse to provide file format information. Giving Adobe a great first Raw processing advantage. Is Adobe paying the camera manufacturers to block other photo processing apps? Open source photography software have to reverse engineer to figure it out. Actually a few Raw processing groups figure it out. Then companies like darktable are only then able to incorporate the camera. Still waiting for darktable to provide Raw support for the R5 mark ii.
I should have spent some time covering the lack of raw and sraw support as well. I still can't load up raw files in FCPX... Very annoying.
Are you editing straight from the CF-Express card or are you dumping the files onto the inter mac storage and then importing them into FCP?
I transcode on the CFexpress card, then I copy into the library. I use fast CFexpress so transcoding is quick.
How about investigating a solution for those of us that no longer have the R5M1?
I did. I spent 5 hours on this. Now I wait a week or two and see if this doesn't shake things up. You could also use the information provided and look for a different solution ;)
Just face it, Simon. Switch to DaVinci Resolve. I even heard rumors of Apple considering buying BMD. If this comes to pass, then Final Cut will slowly wither on the vine.
Then who will migrate my years of works to the new system ;) Not going to do that. It takes a lot to switch system ;)
Not a videophile but maybe it's time to use a real cinema camera and not a hybrid for your video work.
Who needs Apple?😊
It feels like you talk a bit too much about apple not doing anything and not about canon since it could be a problem on both sides at the same time.
Maybe the camera bakes in certain data into the card/files that causes an issue with FInal Cut. It feels like it could be an issue with the camera itself since R5 II and R5 I behave differently.
While yes, apple could fix it potentially, but it also feels like canon bakes in something into the card when it is formatted by the R5 II and they could revise that.
The file structure is definitely different, but there no reason why the software can't allow importing of segments regardless of where it is stored. There no reason for that. I placed the same file in three separate locations, and I could only load a segment of it if it was on the R5MK1 formatted card...
What if you format the card on a pc or mac?