What many have failed to point out is: 1. Dr. Shelley Haley - focused on African history, and employed Black feminist and critical race approaches to Classics (i.e. Afrocentric biased) 2. Islam Issa - English literature academic, wrote a book on Alexandria, which hasn’t been published yet - and as a personal pursuit, not based on academic expertise 3. Debora Heard - PhD candidate (she doesn’t even have her PhD yet), in Nubian history 4. Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton - studied Egypt at university, but her primary career was teaching black history to inmates in prison. She has a MPhil in Criminology research. So I fail to see any Experts on Egypt or Cleopatra here. Likely they couldn’t find any real Egyptologist that were willing to support the Jada Smith view of the world.
Yes, there was only one egyptologist who seem to know what she was talking about, and as far as I remember never once mentioned her skin tone. It's the black hair lady, Colleen Darnell. Though to be fair, it's hard to know as a non-expert on the subject how accurate she was, she looked to know what she was talking about, but it's not hard when she's in the middle of complete buffoons like the other "experts"...
Maybe she means black woman... probably also not that much true, but if I look how the "black on black" - crime is one of the biggest problems for blacks in the US... closer than "her story resonates with every woman".
@@danielhopkins2277 Are black killing blacks racists? We whites when kill whites we know we are not, only when killing blacks. We also know zero racism when blacks killing whites. This racism thing is so complicated for me...
My grandma once said, "No matter what someone in RUclips comments says about what their Greek grandma says about what a bullshyte Netflix documentary tells you, Cleopatra was South Korean."
@@YourMajesty733 My grandma once said, "No matter what someone commenting on someone in RUclips comments says about what their Greek grandma says about what a bullshyte Netflix documentary tells you, Cleopatra was South Korean, actually Cleopatra a Alien
I heard something similar but about Muhammad being white with red hair. Turned out to be really rooted in history. Some Muslims still dye their facial hair red to mimic him.
@@bluewhitespartan5258 Words escape you i see! "no comment" is the expression you require!, as you,d need a opinion to comment but no one has given you it YET! the emojie is your comfort blanket! ha ha, how cute!
I cringed through most of the show. I’m no scholar but I’ve always loved Egyptian history and have studied and researched on my own time. The second this women says Cleopatra was black, (jaw dropped) I was like ‘what rock did you crawl out from?’ Her families history and growth has all been incest to keep the blood pure Macedonian. I’ve also seen that a grandmother of hers was Syrian. I believe wholeheartedly that Jada has a screw loose. This garbage needs to be removed from Netflix before everyone’s IQ drops. I swear the audacity of some people.
Historians don't know if she was 'black' or 'white' as no one saw themselves that way back then. She was most certainly dark though. Netflix shouldn't say she was black so definitively just like this Tate stroke shouldn't say she was white.
🙍🏾♂️ Ok, sooo basically your argument is about race.... OK.... let's turn the tables real quick and only use WORDS..... Type Out The True Definition Of The Egyptian Language And Tell Me What Racial Group It Belongs To💡 Tell me when you get to the part that says Indo European, Middle Eastern, Arab or Macedonian.... 🤔 I'll Wait💡
You see, when you learn the so-called "Egyptian" culture the way they are teaching you they are telling that story in reverse💡 The Nile Valley Culture Began In The South and Migrated North towards the Mediterranean💡 That's the reason ALL THE KINGS are Buried in the Land Of KUSH and Nowhere Else💡 Learning the way Europeans are telling this story is the Equivalent to learn about America starting of with CALIFORNIA and totally DISREGARDING the FIRST 13 COLONIES💡 Do you get it now❓️
She wasn't a linguist. She was a polyglot. A linguist is a person who has studied or is interested in the science of language. A polyglot is a person who can speak, read or write in several languages.
Your are absolutely right about Cleopatra being a polyglot. I would add that she was one of the most educated women of her time as she had also studied administration, commerce, economics, state-craft, and other subjects of importance then. So a polyglot for sure. A polymath, maybe. She certainly outdid and entranced Julius Caeser and Marc Anthony in guile, intrigue and strategy.
She spoke at least seven languages and was the only one in her family to speak Egyptian. She was very smart, and yes, cunning, but wasn’t that necessary to survive in a very different world than what we know? People shouldn’t judge, just learn. How will we be judged by future generations?…
But Dr. Haley does not claim Cleopatra was black. She told a story about her long dead grandmother. Since you don't understand why, you just make stuff up. I could point out that she was surprised that many of her students came in convinced Cleopatra was black. This documentary goes into her likely Egyptian and Persian ancestry, in addition to Macedonian, so it should go some way to convincing some that Cleopatra was not black. Doe that go over your head?
@@patdaley9098 what goes over your head is that neither Persians nor Egyptians are black and definitely not Macedonians. The probability that she was mixed black is tiny. Furthermore, what her grandmother told her doesn't belong in a documentary, unless her grandmother was 23 centuries old
@@infinitydreamzz Everyone knows Cleopatra was had Macedonian Ancestry, and this is made very clear in the docudrama. But we don't know who her mother was nor her grandmother. Her father was called illegitimate. They think she is probably mixed race--and, that does not mean black ancestry! Egyptian and Persian, probably. NO ONE says she was black, unless you want to count Dr. Shelley Haley's long dead GRANDMOTHER, who is not in the docudrama.
Night at the Museum did a better job at representation with a fictional Egyptian Pharaoh (played by Rami Malek) than Netflix ever will with a historical one 💀
If Jada admitted that this was just a re-imagining, then I'm pretty sure the backlash won't be as severe, but she is trying to pass this as true just like the woman king film. All serves to be fake, black feminist empowerment attempting to surface as true. This is an insult to Egyptian and African legacy.
If you look at interviews, she does admit that but then.. also tries to claim it as true, and ‘why couldn’t it be this way?’. Just standard Hollywood race politics lunacy as expected. She even goes out of her way to explain that there are dozens of examples she could have used, but went for Cleopatra intentionally to alter, because of name recognition.
There would still be backlash because they're insulting two entire countries with this. It's not just the raceswapping that's a problem either.. Look at the beginning of this video where they basically rewrite Cleopatra into a girlbawse who don't need no man.
A week ago as I was walking through a mall here in Paris, I saw an ad about the Louvres Museum stating "Many people think Cleopatra was egyptian, but in fact she was greek" and I can't believe that the timing of this is not intentional
This film should be taught as an example of what very poor propaganda looks like. I’m actually happy they were so bad at it, as there’s no chance they’re going to achieve anything by it.
History showed time and time again lots of ppl gonna believe even very bad propaganda if it's repeated often enough and if elites promote it. Most ppl are natural followers and conformists, we are social species after all. Afrocentrism had never any solid intellectual backing and Wakanda is openly super hero movie fantasy yet We wuz Kingz and Wakanda forever nonsense is going strong as ever.
Well, as all very bad attempts at propaganda usually are, they induce the less historically inclined to do their own reading which is probably the only good to come of it, the general public now realizing that Targaryans just like Ptolemaic rulers tended to ‚keep it in the family‘
It's actually working in reverse. I never had much interest in ancient Egypt, but these afrocentrists have spurred me to read up on it. It turns out that it's well established that Cleopatra was a Greek ruler, living in a city full of Greeks and Jews and ruling over a nation of Egyptians, who in turn were caucasian middle easterners closely related to others from the Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, and Iraq. I never realized before just how little sub-saharan blacks had to do with any of this history.
I know right. They try to sprinkle it all throughout the episode too. Some of the cringiest stuff. Black people should be enraged they're doing this it's insulting.
Actually, at the beginning, they describe Cleopatra as a Ptolemy, descended from one of Alexander's generals. Since you do not know what is in the docudrama, I conclude that you did not actually watch it!!
"I don't care what they teach you in school, simon bolivar was black." "I don't care what they teach you in school, mansa musa was chinese." "I don't care what they teach you in school, george washington was indian." "I don't care what they teach you in school, gengis kan was irish." "I don't care what they teach you in school, margaret thatcher was mexican."
Contrary to popular AMERICAN belief, not knowing who one of your parents are does not automatically make you BLACK. I checked with Brandon and he told me this is so.
Well I checked this with dark Brandon - and you are right. The being black if you have on drop of blood was a racist view from 200 years ago mainly used by the British. We should have moved on from that. Interestingly it's an American centric view today. In Europe or South America we use all shades of brown - not black.
I also find it hilarious how Netflix cast a younger looking male model to play Julius Caesar, who was actually in his 50s when he met Cleopatra and looked nothing like this actor. We know exactly what Caesar looked like at this time, because the Romans made excellent busts of his facial features.
Not only Ceasar but Cleopatra herself,there are plenty of contemporary and near contemporary depictions of what she looked like, and none of them show her as a sub-Saharan African.
Lol And "she never bowed to a mam" Umm, yes she did After she was snuck into caesars chambers, rolled up in a rug She wanted caesar to forcefully remove her brother from the egyptian thone, diplmat; yeah right
I know most people are annoyed with Cleopatra's portrayal, but I can't get behind Mark Anthony's casting. He looks like whatsisname from Games of Thrones. A little too northerner to be Roman, if you ask me.
@@wedgeantilles8575 No. It does not! Abraham Lincoln was a disabled female Chinese lesbian atheist hippy, and anyone who says differently is a rascist and a bunch of other things besides!
As soon as the professor said she'd been compelled by the spirit of Cleopatra to tell the world of a (alleged) coverup regarding her ancestry, it explained so much.
It tells the whole story really. They are so desperate to make Cleopatra this pristine role model, that history doesn't really matter. I said it before and say it again: Remove the term "documentary" completely and call it reimagination of Cleopatra. And no ones gonna have a problem with it.
I think Netflix should do an astronomy series written by flat earthers and call it a documentary. I saw a documentary telling me the ancient Egyptians were aliens. They're pissed at being represented as humans. I saw it in a dream...I need to tell their story.
Lol reminds me of when the new Webbe telescope was named there was a certain community that very much disapproved as they wanted it to be named after Harriet tubman who was THE pioneer of astronomy because she used the north star to lead slaves to freedom. 😂😂
@@LadyThunderbird63 Yes, quite disappointing for NASA to go from "Hubble" to "Webb". Surely there are more deserving people than a bigoted bureaucrat! I refer to the telescope by its initials, not by its name.
Expecting someone like Jada Pinkett Smith to provide historical accuracy about the ancient Rome and Egypt is like expecting her to not gaslight Will Smith and admit she was just a cheater.
With this, they managed not only to offend the Greeks and Egyptians, but to all who live on the African continent from people who have never been there or know about history.
Yes, some people have been telling a lot of lies about the docudrama. Maybe they don't like Netflix, maybe they don't like Jada Pinkett Smith. But most of the criticism is simply lies by people who don't know what is in the documentary.
"Skin colour ranged from black to pale brown." 😂😂😂 I'm Balkan / Mediterranean. We can be as white as cheese...sometimes olive skinned. Very prone to tanning nicely in the sunshine. But I'm pretty sure people still classify us as white. So yeah, given the Mediterranean influence in Egypt, I'd say skin colour ranged from black to WHITE. Jeez.
But it's kinda funny how ignorant they are. I'm half Tunisian. Literally North African and I am blond, white and have blue eyes. I'm more white than my European mother. There are even really white skinned people in North Africa. We are a minority, but we do exist 😂 But Americans already told me, I'm a liar and accused me of cultural appropriation when I told them I'm from Tunisia. Because some don't know, not all Africans are black 🤫
@@SouhaAlHa. The black and white thing is just an American obsession. I'm east African and we are different Nilotes are the darkest Bantus are lighter and Cushites are brown. Intermarriages have blurred the mirgins but you still can tell. In Kenya no one thinks that we are the same race even though Americans will put us in the same category
@@etruscancivilization if your comment was no sarcasm you should change your name. Etruscans and all ancient civilisations deserve to be depicted truthful and respectful. If you believe this Netflix bs fiction about the very well documented ancient Egypts to be the truth, then I’m afraid of what you think to know about the less documented Etruscan culture.
It is a true part: : "I do not wish to be unfair to the 'Gracula' (Greek woman) She is clever beyond words, no denying it… She seemed intent upon challenging my own undeserved reputation for caustic humour" (Cicero, 'Letters to Atticus' 15.15) He also said multiple times he detested her, that she was insolent and had no respect for anyone. Others wrote that she was a hedonistic slut. They should have made it much Ruder and more insulting and Cicero should not laugh at the end. It would have been better if he was just embarrassed in the end in insult. It would be more in character. And being a documentary then they could say: we actually don’t know what specific way she insulted Cicero but she obviously said something just as bad.
@@matthewkopp2391 Where did you find that Cicero quote? It doesn't seem to be in the Letters to Atticus 15.15 translations I found (from Perseus digital library & the Loeb classical library) In the latin text, he only calls her "reginam" (the Queen), not Gracula or anything of the sort.
@@daedalron in fact Cicero speaks about the queen in this way: "Reginam odi. Id me iure facere scit sponsor promissorum eius Ammonius. ... Superbiam autem ipsius reginae, ... commemorare sine magno dolore non possum". "I hate the queen. Ammonius who granted for her promises, knows that I make that I do rightfully. ... I furthermore cannot remember the pride of the queen herself without great pain" Epistulae ad Atticum XV-15
My mom has 5 sisters and one brother. When my grandparents died 3 were murdered by the others. One was involved in a “boating accident” and another was in a “car accident”. Then my mom married the eldest brother. Now my mother lays sole claim to the kingdom of my grandparents farm. But the big factory across the road is pushing ever closer to the farm and seems to be the great regional power.she resonates deeply with cleopatra
The sad reality is there are without a doubt many great Black female leaders in history who deserve to be remembered. The Cleopatra series has taken somebody else's space. They could have worked harder, done more research, provided more evidence, while bringing to the world great women previously overlooked.
Thanks for the analysis, left my subscription! It's really outrageous and I'm not even egyptian or greek. Next thing will be interesting, since I've heard they want SNOWWHITE of all characters, be played by a Latina. WTF. I'm a white female german, and the Brothers Grimm were german. I really can't imagine wanting any german to see something like that. I already was upset by the blackwashed Ariel, but this THING of a so called "documentary" shows to which lengths they will go just to fit anything that they produce to their agenda. I don't know if you've covered that too, but 2 years ago they let play a black actress ANNE BOLEYN. THE ICON of the history scene for heaven's sake. Thank god that series flopped.
I'm German, too, I don't care that she's played by a Latina. I find it a bit sad, however, that these Disney adaptations deviate quite a lot from the original stories.
As a Lebanese known as ( lubn ) also that docu enrage us This doc is pure stupidity whats next... JESUS BLACK? ABRAHAM, Our Queen of Carthage black , Julius césar black, virgin Mary black or the prophet Mohammed black ??? Black Americans are trying to by history sadly
@@african-history-fountain Were? Why is that? What happen that you are no longer what you say you once were? Egypt is a backwater country. Without the world's only true superpower buying your products and keeping you in existence with foreign aid, you wouldn't exist at all. That's not racism, that's geopolitics.
This is their mindset: Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen, Egypt is a part of Africa, black people are from Africa, therefore, Cleopatra was black. I can tolerate race swapping fictional characters like Ariel and Aragorn, but when you do it to an actual historical figure, you’re rewriting history to fit your own narrative
Unfortunately, too many black people are taught to not believe or learn what they were taught in school. As someone that has a degree in Anthropology and studied both Archeology and Geology as my secondary degree, this is just too much.
@Vertigo no, I wasn't generalizing at all. And please, name the black rulers of Egypt. You would think this would have taught you that is wrong but, apparently not.
@@vertigo2894 by the way, making a statement that some black people are taught as this woman and Jada and clearly you were, not to believe what you were taught in school, is not a racist comment.
The fact that Netflix is even allowing this to be on their platform, is an insult to every other Netflix documentary, legitimate or not. Many people are going to start thinking; "If Netflix is willing to let this slide, what other lies and inaccuracies have been fed to me?". It undermines every effort there has ever been put into making documentaries on Netflix as historically accurate as possible.
Good job keeping your cool while watching that. As a teacher I had a hard time just watching the trailer. Cleopatra was basically the opposite of what they were saying. She was ruthless in politics and cared for no one but herself; which was not a bad thing for someone in her position, but not something to admire. Also I dont know how they can think that she was dark skin black when there hadnt been an egyptian born (from a "black or african" family) ruler since the time of Alexander. Good at pointing out the dangers of doing research to justify an ending instead of doing research to discover an ending. It can happen to the best of researchers when they need something bad enough.
It's a pity you did not bother to actually watch the docudrama. In the first 30 minutes, they systematically refute what old dead grandma said. The they showed Cleopatra's Macedonain heritage and also the distinct probability that not all her ancestors were Macedonian. None of the experts suggest any black ancestors. Try not to believe a lot of internet hacks, many of whom only saw the 2 min trailer.
What do you mean “systematically repute?” they said she might have had a Egyptian Mother or grandmother, but in the same section they portray most ancient Egyptians as subsaharan black africans. “Ranged from Deep black to a pale brown” I believe they said? The first one only in the far south and the neighboring Nubian Kingdom of kush to the south. Most would have looked Mediterranean or middle eastern, not black or of black ancestry.@@patdaley9098
They also stated that “the great thing about Cleopatra is that you can portray her anyway you want” Uhm, no. the whole point of history is to find out and discover more, not to make stuff up to make yourself feel good. If there is something you don’t have info to learn about, you don’t make things up, you use what you do know to make educated guesses and predictions. If you have a puzzle with some missing pieces, many scattered around the house, some damaged, and many straight up missing and lost to time memorial itself, and having to make the missing pieces to get a complete tapestry with pieces of thin cardboard, you don’t go “Hmmm, this piece is missing, so ill just make it red with purple polka-dots and yellow wavy lines because it makes me feel good, and cut out the connecting parts to be squares to be quirky!” No, you would say “hmm, this part is fully surrounded by light blue squares except by directly below, where it is a darkish kinda murky gray, and the colors flow over to adjacent pieces at many points, so it would be best to make this piece mostly light blue, but leave some uncolored to show how it is rather uncertain.” @@patdaley9098
@@aminatandour589 Who is "they?" It was a particular person who said it and you simply rip it out of context. Of course, the statement is not really about Cleopatra but about our reaction to what little we know about how Cleopatra looked, and that not certainly. At least you recognize that our knowledge of historical events is fragmentary and to come up with a narrative of sorts, we must resort to what we think is probable and of course, apply some imagination. One could not do a docudrama without using imagination for the dramatic parts. In a full documentary of ancient times, there would be no actors. Once you go the docudrama route, you need actors, and no matter who you choose, people can criticize them
My grandma once told me. “I don’t care what they tell you in school, Jada Pinkett-Smith was a transgender white man who identified as a Chinese woman with a luscious head of black hair”.
@@dortmundgrabenstein9193 No. It’s not empowering. She was inbreed. How does an inbreed person have enough sense to run a country? She’s Greek Macedonian which is white and took over egypt. I’m sorry but those men and women should’ve took her out. That’s like an Indian woman born in England takes over England, Ireland and France.
Well, it really is out of context. Dr. Shelley Haley was relating something her GRANDMOTHER told her. Why do you lie? Go watch the discussion of Cleopatra's ancesty in EP. 1, start after 32 minutes. Dreadfully sorry, but no one suggests any black ancestors for Cleopatra. Macedonian, Egyptians, maybe Persians, not black ancestors. Have you been too lazy to even watch the docudrama?
Finally a good analysis that isn’t just freaking out about the politics but actually breaks down the history. And is willing to say that some things were accurate. You think the entire thing was just that one professor saying that one thing the way most go on about it. Thanks for making something worth watching.
Well I know nothing about Mrs Pinkett Smith other than she has an inclination to the friends of her son, just sexually of course, and have a slight feeling that she might not be the most honest person on the planet. It seems to be supported by this mockumentary.
@O.K. so, you've squeezed 1 out, now pinch it off ! I think you'll find the correct term is Peladophobia, so I guess you could say I'm being a Peladaphobist? 🤷🏻♂️
That applies to everyone born in America. Color aside, and oh I do agree with Morgan Freeman on this, everyone born here is American/USA native. That's why the words Native American can be confusing. Those using that phrase are usually not related to the Siberian transplant colonizers.
Right. You don't have to be black. Also, this'll flip Pinkett-Smith out, the people of the Mediterranean basin are caucasian. You don't have to be white to be caucasian. They're just respond, "Biology is racist, just like math."
She was Greek, not black. She sold her body for power and influence. She had no idea how to fight, and she had people killed. This is staggering appropriation by the creators of this film.
My favourite parts is where one of the professors calls Rome an "emerging power" at this point. Despite Rome having already won the Punic wars and was very much the dominant power in the Region during this period in history. Sure it wasn't at the height of its power but it wasn't emerging.
So you think Mark Antony could not have defeated the Parthians? And you think he and Cleopatra could not have won the Battle of Actium? So you think it was all inevitable because Rome was the dominant power at the time? History could have been much different.
It was so they could claim Egypt is what made them dominant. Funny because the only time Egypt gave them the slightest of issues was because of Antony, a Roman.
7:18 "Starting with a conclusion and working backwards." This irrational method of thinking is called "confirmation bias", for anyone who's interested. @History Revealed - Great video, thanks for putting it together... and for calling out all of their pathetic attempts to subjectively "re-write" history.
But the bad things those super diverse ancient girlbosses did doesn’t fit in their all new fantasy made reality. Same problem with the first part of this African queens series. Njinga/Nzinga was pictured as a brave and tough African hero. No part was shown about her involvement with the Portuguese in slavery. In fact she gave a shit about her African traditions and rites. As soon as it gave her an advantage she converted to Catholicism as this helped her tighten the relationship with the white European colonists who helped her fighting other Africans and kept her as queen. The Portuguese just wanted her to share her slavery profits. In fact this woman was pure egoist and evil. She was a Machiavellian.
She was indeed a powerful, cunning, intelligent woman. Though she was not a good person. We can appreciate her wit without her being one, but Netflix is misconstruing her intentions.
"Julius Caesar was a chinese lesbian", oh boy, that got me right in the tickle testicle. I like that you're mocking this and turning it into humour, as should be done with something so ridiculous. Only bright side of this political wonderland we live in is the jokes it provides.
“For if any non-Greek power, whether Persian or Macedonian, were to achieve world dominion, the typical form of the Greek state would suffer death and destruction.” [p.188]❤❤❤
I think what she really meant towards the end was that every narcissistic wannabe girlboss with goddess complex can relate to Netflix's version of Cleo Warrior Princess 👸🏾 ⚔️💅🤳
So basically people are paying hundreds of dollars just to be near millions of dollars in debt for the Russian roulette chance of having professors like her? Ouch!
THIS is the problem. Our next generation of educators, judges, and politicians are being trained by the likes of her. Then they graduate and are inflicted on the rest of the world. We're screwed.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor And art, theres always art. I'm trying to work as an indie game dev so that nobody forces there dumb ideas onto me. That or I'll just be a code monkey if plan A fails
It's incredible how transparent their use of words is in trying to never imply anything bad about her is true. Especially with her fleeing the battle, where "she had no choice", egypt would "be defenceless". Saying it in such a way that she isn't really screwing her ally over, but she's doing it out of love for her people. It's kinda funny how obvious they make it. xD
I would start with her name, which is Greek (beloved by her father). I haven't seen anyone pointing out that the actress seems too old to play the part, just like Elizabeth Taylor was. Cleopatra was about 20 when she first met Julius Caesar. In my opinion, Vivien Leigh looks like having the right age in "Caesar and Cleopatra," though she was over 30 years old at the time. Also, it is not mentioned that she rules in Alexandria, which is literally a Greek city and not historically Egyptian, as it was founded by Alexander the Great. Alexandria was the center of Hellenistic culture which is the Greek culture that was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean in the years that followed Alexander in Antiquity. Examples are the Jewish Holiday of Hannukah, celebrating religious independence from Greek influence and the New Testament originally written in Greek.
@@ilanpi And what fatal error was that? Something old dead grandma said decades ago--something that the docudrama then proceeds to systematically refute?
Ethnic Narcissism. had not heard that term before What did Cate Blancett say in Tar: "Don’t be so eager to be offended, the narcissism of small differences can lead to the most boring conformity." This is narcissism of big differences and it leads to disconformity but still boring.
@@vertigo2894 then be proud of historical figures that were actually black! Appropriating someone else’s culture, conflating different countries identities and culture into “African” which is a continent made of many different countries with different cultures, identities and ethnicities isn’t something to have pride in.
@@vertigo2894 I think there is plenty to be proud of, but it's narcissistic to make everything about one's self or group. For example, JPS could have told the story of the Egyptian Queen Haptepshut who preceeded the Macedonian Ptolmeic dynasty, or she could have told the story of any number of African kingdoms. Instead she chose to misrepresent history to suit her modern identity politics. It's a shame.
@@kamion53 I wish I could recall where I first heard the term, but I think it pretty well describes the tendancy to interpret everything in terms of one's ethnic or other group identity ... I agree it is so boring!
We literally have the world at our finger tips, how difficult is it to track down someone from a historically accurate region to portray a character? There are people around the globe striving to get a breakout role in the arts so I am sure you could have found someone if you actually tried to look internationally.
Eagerly waiting for Netflix's "black" Diana "documentary" because no matter endless photos and videos, someone's grandmother told her Princess Diana was black. 👍👍👍
Yes if they see themselves as African - and this is the point. Also American - if your family is living there for 200 years, do you see yourself as American?
It really makes me laugh how they show her in every pic she is so happy swings around, is in love with everyone, the people smile if she is around and they had a paradise before the romans came...that`s just sooooooo "realistic"
The fake documentary is clearly trash. And I have learned so much about this period in history watching all of the brilliant takedowns. Thanks and subscribed.
Hold on. A university/college professor...quotes her grandmother saying "I don't care what they tell you in school" followed by misinformation. So by this logic. Shelley, a teacher/lecturer, telling us Cleopatra is black...we shouldn't care what she tells us from school, Cleopatra is what she actually is. Her logic goes both ways. Don't trust what teachers say. She's a teacher. Don't trust what she says. Full circle.
Possibly - I Believe - Could have. All of these are used to justify rewriting known historical facts that are established and documented. It's becoming so common as of late, and this is why people are up in arms about this series and many other shows, and movies, that are pushing an identity politics agenda. It's all about ticked boxes and just enough truth to feel justified and defend their actions. Thank you for the facts and commentary! Newly subscribed and looking forward to more.
Bro thank you so much for this . I had a good time I laughed so hard. To me one of the saddest things was this supposed professor. she said very few truths and the rest were twisted lies. This world is becoming something else.
Netflix already did the same to German ancient history with Barbarians, it got so bad that the historical advisers in Berlin quit their job in despair….Kaptorga rules! Anyway, no backlash…so I am beyond happy to see the Egyptian lawyer suing them for stealing their country‘s history. Well done, hope the courts rule will be high enough to cause real damage for Netflix
@@mattm8870 you are right, of course, calling Cleopatra a documentary and then letting PhD CANDIDATES from irrelevant studies speak on something they have no expert opinion on should be illegal. I have a PhD in molecular genetics, hear my opinion on the flooding of the Nile during Cleopatra's time... 🙄😬 I don't think so!
@𓋆 𓊝𓉱𓂃 𓂁 𓂂 𓂄𓂅 𓂆𓁖 Yes, I would if I had one... but I don't have a Netflix subscription in the first place. My parents used to be very strict about the content we consumed via TV and even cartoons were out due to too much 'violence'. My Dad loved Ancient Egypt though, and we watched a lot of real. documentaries together... happy memories! Be proud of your glorious ancestors, they built a remarkable culture for thousands of years!
Thank you for your insights. I didn't watch the so called "documentary" but the controversy got me interested to hear from historians on their views. I didn't realize that Netflix was such a woke platform as I usually just watch their Asian shows. I think the woke culture is going too far in trying to change history rather than change the future for a better world. Too bad the entertainment industry has turned into a propaganda machine and trying to cram "wokeness" down everyone's throat
Wokeism is Marxism rebranded. Karl Marx says to rewrite history and remove the indigenous people from it. So that’s what Netflix is doing, removing Native Egyptians from their story
I am Egyptian and thank you for telling the truth and this woman call herself a teacher she should be ashamed for lying,l already stopped my Netflix account ,i hope everyone cut their Netflix subscription, every Egyptian is angry at this production again many thanks for your excellent work
she was a women if her time. If you look at the dynasty you see a lot of murders, wars for power struggle and so forth. So while you may claim she was a psychopath in truth she was normal for a ruler of that time period. Ruthless, while trying to balance multiple factions trying to unseat her throne.
Well, dark triad personality running in the blood…a bloodline of ruthless politicians are probably end up with at least one pure psychopath child but Cleopatra was more of a high functioning person with psychopathic traits as all leaders are required to be psychopathic. A true psychopath would be terrible at politics.
@@atgay2640 You don't really understand what a psychopath is in real life. Your view of a psychopath was formed by films, TV shows, and games. In reality, the vast majority of psychopaths are actually extremely high functioning and successful individuals. They aren't like the Joker. They aren't like Vaas from Far Cry 3. The most realistic and true-to-life representation of a psychopath would be a high-level politician. In fact, in psychology, politicians are the most used example of what a psychopath is.
I've also heard that the biblical Jews were actually black, Moses and Jesus were black, Beethoven was black, and also King George III of England was a light-skinned black man. I loved the History Channel doc from years ago about Hannibal of Carthage where they cast a guy who looks like Mr T to play Hannibal in the re-enactments.
@@cjpp78ytube Never trust anything the Catholic Roman Church says, ever…. Even when they say women are being punished for Eve‘s sin through painful childbirth…. They have been assholes for ever
Hollywood won't let a lie get in the way of a good story. Another great example is The Woman King, where they made that tribe out to be the heroes instead of the British army that fought to stop the slave trade.
As a woman i never ever resonate with CLEOPATRA and never heard one doing so 🤣 Incest, killing their siblings, having affairs, thinking themselves as GOD?!?! Are you crazzzzy? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ This sounds like a prank guys. This isn't real right? I cannot believe what i just heard 😅
Well Pharaohs were God kings, of course she believed that... and all the other stuff... welcome to a time long ago when women ruled with unparalleled power and shitty ethics
there was a rumor that she wasn't as pretty as depicted in artworks of her and she had them edited. So she's like, the ancient version of heavily photoshopped Instagram models.
I checked, and Professor Shelley Haley teaches classic Africa, about ancient Egypt, Cleopatra (listed specifically), the Roman empire, etc. So I'm assuming that she's teaching all her students that Cleopatra is black, not Macedonian Greek?
A new documentary on Netflix let’s give a whirl I say. I got as far as “Don’t believe what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black”…and that’s when I decided it was time to save some money on the Netflix subscription and dust off the library card to actuary read history again. At least this video saved me 4 hours of lost time by summing up the series.
Also what the "professor" didn't say in order to be put in a set of power your bloodline has to be pure, so with that said if her mom wasn't from a preferred bloodline she wouldn't be cleopatra.
So a shadowy figure came to a professor in a dream and said to tell this story? Wouldn't she have done better to become a channeller rather than a teacher? It worries me that this woman is actually teaching. What other "history" is she making up?
Even that birth scene was wrong. Egyptian Queens were obliged to sit in full regalia on the birthing chair, surrounded by the court officials and she waa not allowed to utter a sound, let alone scream out. Poor thing. She was the representation of a goddess on earth giving birth to a royal, divine offspring.
It’s just so cringeworthy. The American lens of anything to do with Africa is so bizarre. From wakanda essentially being Monarchy ran America wearing a Swahili Skin suit, to this where even the re enactments are what they *think* Africa is like. I’ll bet you not one single one of these people involved has ever even set foot on African soil.
The thing is, they COULD have done a documentary on the many black queens throughout Africa. Metatron told a story of one (I forget her name) that I thought was incredibly interesting.
Queen Amanirenas, she was a Kushite queen and actually defeated Rome, unlike Cleopatra. Pretty interesting story. I watch Metatron as well. The Kushites were the 25th dynasty in Egypt. The only Nubian dynasty that can be proven. Cleopatra was Caucasian. Jada knew that,she didn't care.
What many have failed to point out is:
1. Dr. Shelley Haley - focused on African history, and employed Black feminist and critical race approaches to Classics (i.e. Afrocentric biased)
2. Islam Issa - English literature academic, wrote a book on Alexandria, which hasn’t been published yet - and as a personal pursuit, not based on academic expertise
3. Debora Heard - PhD candidate (she doesn’t even have her PhD yet), in Nubian history
4. Dr. Sally-Ann Ashton - studied Egypt at university, but her primary career was teaching black history to inmates in prison. She has a MPhil in Criminology research.
So I fail to see any Experts on Egypt or Cleopatra here. Likely they couldn’t find any real Egyptologist that were willing to support the Jada Smith view of the world.
Looks like it was hard to get proper experts willing to sacrifice their hard earned academic career..
Yes, there was only one egyptologist who seem to know what she was talking about, and as far as I remember never once mentioned her skin tone. It's the black hair lady, Colleen Darnell. Though to be fair, it's hard to know as a non-expert on the subject how accurate she was, she looked to know what she was talking about, but it's not hard when she's in the middle of complete buffoons like the other "experts"...
You smashed them. Respect
@@daedalron It's hard to take that Darnell lady seriously when she looks like she's cosplaying as Cruella Da Ville.
Your comment contains more rigerous research than that Netflix special.
“Her story resonates with every woman”. Not really, not every woman marries her brother then hands her sister over to her enemy to be killed.
Well, the betraying one's sister is relatable for women with one...
and not every woman sells her body to multipke man for political benefits..
Or murders her brother, which she did.
Maybe she means black woman... probably also not that much true, but if I look how the "black on black" - crime is one of the biggest problems for blacks in the US... closer than "her story resonates with every woman".
@@danielhopkins2277 Are black killing blacks racists? We whites when kill whites we know we are not, only when killing blacks. We also know zero racism when blacks killing whites. This racism thing is so complicated for me...
The Cleopatra narrative “resonates with every woman” is basically Jada Pinkett’s life story right now.
more like a self-insert story lol
Oh lawd, but cleopatra wuz blatt - 👱🏿♀️
My Greek grandma once said, "No matter what the black woke movement tells you on Netflix, Cleopatra was NOT black "..... Lol
Hahaha
Based granny
My grandma once said, "No matter what someone in RUclips comments says about what their Greek grandma says about what a bullshyte Netflix documentary tells you, Cleopatra was South Korean."
@@YourMajesty733 My grandma once said, "No matter what someone commenting on someone in RUclips comments says about what their Greek grandma says about what a bullshyte Netflix documentary tells you, Cleopatra was South Korean, actually Cleopatra a Alien
😂
My Japanese grandmother once said, "No matter what they teach you in school, Julius Caesar was Japanese", that's the logic they're going with.
I heard something similar but about Muhammad being white with red hair. Turned out to be really rooted in history. Some Muslims still dye their facial hair red to mimic him.
CLEARLY YOUR JAPANESE MOTHER WAS CRAZY, HE CLEARLY CHINESE!!
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😂 nailed it 👌
@@bluewhitespartan5258 Words escape you i see! "no comment" is the expression you require!, as you,d need a opinion to comment but no one has given you it YET! the emojie is your comfort blanket!
ha ha, how cute!
I cringed through most of the show. I’m no scholar but I’ve always loved Egyptian history and have studied and researched on my own time. The second this women says Cleopatra was black, (jaw dropped) I was like ‘what rock did you crawl out from?’ Her families history and growth has all been incest to keep the blood pure Macedonian. I’ve also seen that a grandmother of hers was Syrian. I believe wholeheartedly that Jada has a screw loose. This garbage needs to be removed from Netflix before everyone’s IQ drops. I swear the audacity of some people.
Historians don't know if she was 'black' or 'white' as no one saw themselves that way back then. She was most certainly dark though. Netflix shouldn't say she was black so definitively just like this Tate stroke shouldn't say she was white.
🙍🏾♂️ Ok, sooo basically your argument is about race.... OK.... let's turn the tables real quick and only use WORDS..... Type Out The True Definition Of The Egyptian Language And Tell Me What Racial Group It Belongs To💡 Tell me when you get to the part that says Indo European, Middle Eastern, Arab or Macedonian.... 🤔 I'll Wait💡
You see, when you learn the so-called "Egyptian" culture the way they are teaching you they are telling that story in reverse💡 The Nile Valley Culture Began In The South and Migrated North towards the Mediterranean💡 That's the reason ALL THE KINGS are Buried in the Land Of KUSH and Nowhere Else💡 Learning the way Europeans are telling this story is the Equivalent to learn about America starting of with CALIFORNIA and totally DISREGARDING the FIRST 13 COLONIES💡 Do you get it now❓️
@@DC_R we wuz kangz n shiet
@@rundemcheeks1639 🤣📢 You IZ NAMBLA Right Now💡
She wasn't a linguist. She was a polyglot.
A linguist is a person who has studied or is interested in the science of language. A polyglot is a person who can speak, read or write in several languages.
Tx.
Your are absolutely right about Cleopatra being a polyglot. I would add that she was one of the most educated women of her time as she had also studied administration, commerce, economics, state-craft, and other subjects of importance then. So a polyglot for sure. A polymath, maybe. She certainly outdid and entranced Julius Caeser and Marc Anthony in guile, intrigue and strategy.
She spoke at least seven languages and was the only one in her family to speak Egyptian. She was very smart, and yes, cunning, but wasn’t that necessary to survive in a very different world than what we know? People shouldn’t judge, just learn. How will we be judged by future generations?…
@@kalyansen309 True, and sounds like any son or daughter born into a powerful dynasty and are expected to take over as rulers one day.....
And Netllfix is not a university...
Ah yes, a university professor with strong sources like "my gran told me so" and "I dreamt about it"... There's no arguing against that.
That's how woke science works, now being taught at a university near you
They should strip her of her title. Shame! Shame! Shame!
But Dr. Haley does not claim Cleopatra was black. She told a story about her long dead grandmother. Since you don't understand why, you just make stuff up.
I could point out that she was surprised that many of her students came in convinced Cleopatra was black. This documentary goes into her likely Egyptian and Persian ancestry, in addition to Macedonian, so it should go some way to convincing some that Cleopatra was not black. Doe that go over your head?
@@patdaley9098 what goes over your head is that neither Persians nor Egyptians are black and definitely not Macedonians. The probability that she was mixed black is tiny. Furthermore, what her grandmother told her doesn't belong in a documentary, unless her grandmother was 23 centuries old
@@infinitydreamzz Everyone knows Cleopatra was had Macedonian Ancestry, and this is made very clear in the docudrama. But we don't know who her mother was nor her grandmother. Her father was called illegitimate. They think she is probably mixed race--and, that does not mean black ancestry! Egyptian and Persian, probably. NO ONE says she was black, unless you want to count Dr. Shelley Haley's long dead GRANDMOTHER, who is not in the docudrama.
Night at the Museum did a better job at representation with a fictional Egyptian Pharaoh (played by Rami Malek) than Netflix ever will with a historical one 💀
My grandmother told me: "If you can't impress them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit." QED.
I'm sorry, but I'm stealing this lol
💜🤍💚
Well the perfect qualification for becoming an American congress man / woman
My grandma told me the same thing. Best advice I ever got!
Funny my dad/grandpa said the same thing
If Jada admitted that this was just a re-imagining, then I'm pretty sure the backlash won't be as severe, but she is trying to pass this as true just like the woman king film. All serves to be fake, black feminist empowerment attempting to surface as true. This is an insult to Egyptian and African legacy.
This👆💯
They are 100 % American. They couldn't care less about, in their view, "lesser cultures." They will abuse anything for their woke imperialism.
If you look at interviews, she does admit that but then.. also tries to claim it as true, and ‘why couldn’t it be this way?’. Just standard Hollywood race politics lunacy as expected. She even goes out of her way to explain that there are dozens of examples she could have used, but went for Cleopatra intentionally to alter, because of name recognition.
What people are missing, is that Jada is a scientologist, they are the one's pulling the strings here.
There would still be backlash because they're insulting two entire countries with this. It's not just the raceswapping that's a problem either.. Look at the beginning of this video where they basically rewrite Cleopatra into a girlbawse who don't need no man.
A week ago as I was walking through a mall here in Paris, I saw an ad about the Louvres Museum stating "Many people think Cleopatra was egyptian, but in fact she was greek" and I can't believe that the timing of this is not intentional
My austrian grandmother once said "No matter what they tell you in school child, Adolf Hitler was a german, black female."
And my grand-grandfather tould me: "No matter what the history teachers tell you, it were the germans who started world war one."
@@christianholzschuh6853 He was wrong.
Miss Hitler took 'Yas Queen Slay' to a frightening level
Mein kampf believe it 🤯🤷
@@AJ-PFbat lmao hahahah
This film should be taught as an example of what very poor propaganda looks like. I’m actually happy they were so bad at it, as there’s no chance they’re going to achieve anything by it.
History showed time and time again lots of ppl gonna believe even very bad propaganda if it's repeated often enough and if elites promote it.
Most ppl are natural followers and conformists, we are social species after all.
Afrocentrism had never any solid intellectual backing and Wakanda is openly super hero movie fantasy yet We wuz Kingz and Wakanda forever nonsense is going strong as ever.
Well, as all very bad attempts at propaganda usually are, they induce the less historically inclined to do their own reading which is probably the only good to come of it, the general public now realizing that Targaryans just like Ptolemaic rulers tended to ‚keep it in the family‘
It reinforces hotep beliefs to the hoteps who will watch it and cite it as evidence they were the true Kangz.
It's actually working in reverse. I never had much interest in ancient Egypt, but these afrocentrists have spurred me to read up on it. It turns out that it's well established that Cleopatra was a Greek ruler, living in a city full of Greeks and Jews and ruling over a nation of Egyptians, who in turn were caucasian middle easterners closely related to others from the Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, and Iraq.
I never realized before just how little sub-saharan blacks had to do with any of this history.
right up there with "The Triumph of the Wills"
"Cleopatra wanted to be remembered as egyptian"
SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CAST AN ETHNICALLY EGYPTIAN ACTRESS
Egyptians are Arabs now, didn’t you know? We wouldn’t want people to realize Palestinians are Egyptians!!!
The fact that they spent the first like 5 min of the film trying to justify the blackwash instead of actually talking about cleopatra says alot.
I know right. They try to sprinkle it all throughout the episode too. Some of the cringiest stuff. Black people should be enraged they're doing this it's insulting.
It's Jada, what do you expect?
@@mindelo23 To tell you the truth, I expected Cleo to be bald!
@@ernie5229 And Taller.
Actually, at the beginning, they describe Cleopatra as a Ptolemy, descended from one of Alexander's generals. Since you do not know what is in the docudrama, I conclude that you did not actually watch it!!
Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek. And the show is labelled as a documentary. At least get the character as historically accurate as possible.
CLEOPATRA WAS BLACK
@@etruscancivilization You're so proud of being wrong all the time, aren't you?
@@etruscancivilization Then Martin Luther King was also white.
@@etruscancivilization how stupid can you prove yourself to be writing three words?!
You clocked in under IQ 70….congrats
@@etruscancivilization according to whom? Your grandmother? LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
"I don't care what they teach you in school, simon bolivar was black."
"I don't care what they teach you in school, mansa musa was chinese."
"I don't care what they teach you in school, george washington was indian."
"I don't care what they teach you in school, gengis kan was irish."
"I don't care what they teach you in school, margaret thatcher was mexican."
As a black man born in china to indian parents who were Irish expats of Mexican descent, this really resonates with me.
😂😂😂😂 no matter what they tell you in school Hitler was a black Jew! 😂😂😂
@@JulissaFermin "i don't care what they teach you in school, donald trump is and illegal mexican immigrant"
…George Washington and Kahn were both red heads though lol
Queen Elizabeth was Somali
Abraham Lincoln was Middle Eastern
Magellan was African American 🤣🤣
Contrary to popular AMERICAN belief, not knowing who one of your parents are does not automatically make you BLACK. I checked with Brandon and he told me this is so.
damn thats ice cold 😂
Exactly. Means I get an N word pass 😅😅😅
Well I checked this with dark Brandon - and you are right. The being black if you have on drop of blood was a racist view from 200 years ago mainly used by the British. We should have moved on from that. Interestingly it's an American centric view today. In Europe or South America we use all shades of brown - not black.
Dang. Nice flipping of the stereotype there
Ouch! Of course not. Because TRAILER PARKS!
I also find it hilarious how Netflix cast a younger looking male model to play Julius Caesar, who was actually in his 50s when he met Cleopatra and looked nothing like this actor. We know exactly what Caesar looked like at this time, because the Romans made excellent busts of his facial features.
Not only Ceasar but Cleopatra herself,there are plenty of contemporary and near contemporary depictions of what she looked like, and none of them show her as a sub-Saharan African.
Yet somehow they made octavian look older than caesar.
Lol
And "she never bowed to a mam"
Umm, yes she did
After she was snuck into caesars chambers, rolled up in a rug
She wanted caesar to forcefully remove her brother from the egyptian thone, diplmat; yeah right
I know most people are annoyed with Cleopatra's portrayal, but I can't get behind Mark Anthony's casting. He looks like whatsisname from Games of Thrones. A little too northerner to be Roman, if you ask me.
I think grandma got it mixed up with Austin Powers movie where Beyonce was Foxxy Cleopatra
My grandmother told me: no matter what they taught you in school, Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter it's a documentary.
All together Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter sticks closer to the truth than Cleopatra.
@@wedgeantilles8575 No. It does not! Abraham Lincoln was a disabled female Chinese lesbian atheist hippy, and anyone who says differently is a rascist and a bunch of other things besides!
The best comment so far
I enjoyed watching that movie xD that was fun
hahaah
As soon as the professor said she'd been compelled by the spirit of Cleopatra to tell the world of a (alleged) coverup regarding her ancestry, it explained so much.
Whatever mushroom she ate must've been a very strong stuff.
It tells the whole story really. They are so desperate to make Cleopatra this pristine role model, that history doesn't really matter. I said it before and say it again: Remove the term "documentary" completely and call it reimagination of Cleopatra. And no ones gonna have a problem with it.
@@dortmundgrabenstein9193no, it will still be a problem
But Dr. Haley a a scholar and professor does not claim Cleopatra was black. What alleged coverup??
She was compelled by spirits, distilled spirits.
That old woman at the end really pulled the "it was revealed to me in a dream"
When Assassin's Creed does a better representation of historical characters than a documentary. WTF woke movement.
But even odyssey has that problem with portraying a bunch of black Egyptians.
Except assassin's Creed still portrays Egyptians as black.
Yeah but assassins creed still had a lot of Black Egyptians
not quite AC origin still did the BS of making cleo acting like a HOE when she was not
@@LucasBR702 not really they were mostly oiled skinned like most of us egyptians and bayek looked egyptian he kinda look like my older brother
I think Netflix should do an astronomy series written by flat earthers and call it a documentary. I saw a documentary telling me the ancient Egyptians were aliens. They're pissed at being represented as humans. I saw it in a dream...I need to tell their story.
Did your dream also have a stargate in it?
@@thatHARVguy Just my Grandmother saying "I don't care what science tells you"
Lol reminds me of when the new Webbe telescope was named there was a certain community that very much disapproved as they wanted it to be named after Harriet tubman who was THE pioneer of astronomy because she used the north star to lead slaves to freedom. 😂😂
They kinda did - with with Graham Hancock, who takes facts we know and fills what we don't know with conspiracies. Hard to watch.
@@LadyThunderbird63 Yes, quite disappointing for NASA to go from "Hubble" to "Webb". Surely there are more deserving people than a bigoted bureaucrat! I refer to the telescope by its initials, not by its name.
I genuinely got a kick out of this: “We’re told by the Roman sources that she fled.” And what follows is basically, “We agree it made sense.”
Expecting someone like Jada Pinkett Smith to provide historical accuracy about the ancient Rome and Egypt is like expecting her to not gaslight Will Smith and admit she was just a cheater.
Entanglement.
Will should have bjtchslapped her instead of Chris.
wow JPS just got nailed, and tarred and feathered..but in such a cute way?
Ancient Kemet Indigenous African River Nile Valley Civilization 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
With this, they managed not only to offend the Greeks and Egyptians, but to all who live on the African continent from people who have never been there or know about history.
Not to mention Europeans and Romans, the ones who suffered the greatest offence
Yes, some people have been telling a lot of lies about the docudrama. Maybe they don't like Netflix, maybe they don't like Jada Pinkett Smith. But most of the criticism is simply lies by people who don't know what is in the documentary.
Indirectly she also offended all black people. They don't have any actual black ladies that did anything good in history. So they had to make some up.
@@patdaley9098 Such as?
@@niccosalonga9009 Well, those who say that Netflix thinks Cleopatra was black did not watch the docudrama, or at least not very carefully.
"Skin colour ranged from black to pale brown." 😂😂😂 I'm Balkan / Mediterranean. We can be as white as cheese...sometimes olive skinned. Very prone to tanning nicely in the sunshine. But I'm pretty sure people still classify us as white. So yeah, given the Mediterranean influence in Egypt, I'd say skin colour ranged from black to WHITE. Jeez.
But it's kinda funny how ignorant they are. I'm half Tunisian. Literally North African and I am blond, white and have blue eyes. I'm more white than my European mother.
There are even really white skinned people in North Africa. We are a minority, but we do exist 😂
But Americans already told me, I'm a liar and accused me of cultural appropriation when I told them I'm from Tunisia. Because some don't know, not all Africans are black 🤫
@@SouhaAlHa. I know, it's hard. ❤️
@@SouhaAlHa. The black and white thing is just an American obsession.
I'm east African and we are different Nilotes are the darkest Bantus are lighter and Cushites are brown. Intermarriages have blurred the mirgins but you still can tell. In Kenya no one thinks that we are the same race even though Americans will put us in the same category
I'm glad you are showing the other things they got wrong. It's not a documentary , it's a Fantasy.
I've ssen fantasy that was more historic than this: for instance the Rome serie by Colleen Mc Cullough.
100% Factual Documentary and I loved it.. Will watch it over, and over, before I watch Queen Amina, another beautiful African Queen..
@@etruscancivilization 🤯
@@etruscancivilization you blatantly don’t understand the definition of a “documentary”.
@@etruscancivilization if your comment was no sarcasm you should change your name. Etruscans and all ancient civilisations deserve to be depicted truthful and respectful. If you believe this Netflix bs fiction about the very well documented ancient Egypts to be the truth, then I’m afraid of what you think to know about the less documented Etruscan culture.
That whole Cicero segment feels like a girl power fantasy bit of fanfiction
It is a true part: : "I do not wish to be unfair to the 'Gracula' (Greek woman) She is clever beyond words, no denying it… She seemed intent upon challenging my own undeserved reputation for caustic humour" (Cicero, 'Letters to Atticus' 15.15)
He also said multiple times he detested her, that she was insolent and had no respect for anyone.
Others wrote that she was a hedonistic slut.
They should have made it much Ruder and more insulting and Cicero should not laugh at the end. It would have been better if he was just embarrassed in the end in insult. It would be more in character.
And being a documentary then they could say: we actually don’t know what specific way she insulted Cicero but she obviously said something just as bad.
it had a "go to bed, old man!" vibe
@@matthewkopp2391 Where did you find that Cicero quote? It doesn't seem to be in the Letters to Atticus 15.15 translations I found (from Perseus digital library & the Loeb classical library)
In the latin text, he only calls her "reginam" (the Queen), not Gracula or anything of the sort.
@@daedalron in fact Cicero speaks about the queen in this way:
"Reginam odi. Id me iure facere scit sponsor promissorum eius Ammonius. ... Superbiam autem ipsius reginae, ... commemorare sine magno dolore non possum".
"I hate the queen. Ammonius who granted for her promises, knows that I make that I do rightfully. ... I furthermore cannot remember the pride of the queen herself without great pain"
Epistulae ad Atticum XV-15
Well then, they must have had Dylan Mulvaney as an advisor for that segment.
My mom has 5 sisters and one brother. When my grandparents died 3 were murdered by the others. One was involved in a “boating accident” and another was in a “car accident”. Then my mom married the eldest brother. Now my mother lays sole claim to the kingdom of my grandparents farm. But the big factory across the road is pushing ever closer to the farm and seems to be the great regional power.she resonates deeply with cleopatra
The sad reality is there are without a doubt many great Black female leaders in history who deserve to be remembered. The Cleopatra series has taken somebody else's space. They could have worked harder, done more research, provided more evidence, while bringing to the world great women previously overlooked.
Who?
@@testicool013 Queen Nzinga, the first season of this series,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Queens_(TV_series)
@@TheMbangel not exactly great
@@testicool013 The Candaces of Meroe, Amanirenas, Amanishakheto and Amanitore.
@@DirtyTurtle67 nope
"I don't care what they tell you in school... WWII was won by Ewoks."
If it wasn’t for the lend lease act of Wookiees the Ewoks wouldn’t of been able to win.
No it was won by black-furred Wookies.
YUB NUB
Damn. I really need an alternate history movie about that.
Thanks for the analysis, left my subscription! It's really outrageous and I'm not even egyptian or greek. Next thing will be interesting, since I've heard they want SNOWWHITE of all characters, be played by a Latina. WTF. I'm a white female german, and the Brothers Grimm were german. I really can't imagine wanting any german to see something like that. I already was upset by the blackwashed Ariel, but this THING of a so called "documentary" shows to which lengths they will go just to fit anything that they produce to their agenda. I don't know if you've covered that too, but 2 years ago they let play a black actress ANNE BOLEYN. THE ICON of the history scene for heaven's sake. Thank god that series flopped.
I'm German, too, I don't care that she's played by a Latina. I find it a bit sad, however, that these Disney adaptations deviate quite a lot from the original stories.
I am Italian from Rome and this "documentary" enrage even us.
Really? Did you watch it? I did and it was "meh" beside that Julius Caesar was quite ok, Marc Antony very weak, Octavian wrong cast too.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 found the seppo.
@@EutNehbethawetRuSat Why? This series peaked interest for Egypt more than anything in the last year.
As a Lebanese known as ( lubn ) also that docu enrage us
This doc is pure stupidity whats next...
JESUS BLACK? ABRAHAM, Our Queen of Carthage black , Julius césar black, virgin Mary black or the prophet Mohammed black ???
Black Americans are trying to by history sadly
@@african-history-fountain Were? Why is that? What happen that you are no longer what you say you once were? Egypt is a backwater country. Without the world's only true superpower buying your products and keeping you in existence with foreign aid, you wouldn't exist at all. That's not racism, that's geopolitics.
This is their mindset: Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen, Egypt is a part of Africa, black people are from Africa, therefore, Cleopatra was black. I can tolerate race swapping fictional characters like Ariel and Aragorn, but when you do it to an actual historical figure, you’re rewriting history to fit your own narrative
Hotep mindset. They believe white people were created a few thousand years ago by a bored black god.
Literally anyone that visited Egypt knows that Egyptians enslaved blacks lol, look at tutankhamun sandals for God's sake
Unfortunately, too many black people are taught to not believe or learn what they were taught in school. As someone that has a degree in Anthropology and studied both Archeology and Geology as my secondary degree, this is just too much.
What are you being racist about attacking black people for the actions of one woman?
@@vertigo2894 your comment doesn't make any sense at all.
@@retha1875 It makes perfect sense. You are generalising. As it so happens, there were black rulers of Egypt.
@Vertigo no, I wasn't generalizing at all. And please, name the black rulers of Egypt. You would think this would have taught you that is wrong but, apparently not.
@@vertigo2894 by the way, making a statement that some black people are taught as this woman and Jada and clearly you were, not to believe what you were taught in school, is not a racist comment.
The fact that Netflix is even allowing this to be on their platform, is an insult to every other Netflix documentary, legitimate or not. Many people are going to start thinking; "If Netflix is willing to let this slide, what other lies and inaccuracies have been fed to me?". It undermines every effort there has ever been put into making documentaries on Netflix as historically accurate as possible.
to be fair this is also the platform that permitted "Cuties" to run on it.
Netflix is pathetic. Blacks in the Americas are not form Egypt
Will Smith money = nice
Hollywood is about cocain and entertainment. Don't rely on them for facts. Sensationalism and sex is their fuel.
Right? I’ve avoided Netflix documentaries religiously since this one aired. I’m just sticking to books. Hollywood is full of politics these days.
Good job keeping your cool while watching that. As a teacher I had a hard time just watching the trailer. Cleopatra was basically the opposite of what they were saying. She was ruthless in politics and cared for no one but herself; which was not a bad thing for someone in her position, but not something to admire. Also I dont know how they can think that she was dark skin black when there hadnt been an egyptian born (from a "black or african" family) ruler since the time of Alexander. Good at pointing out the dangers of doing research to justify an ending instead of doing research to discover an ending. It can happen to the best of researchers when they need something bad enough.
It's a pity you did not bother to actually watch the docudrama. In the first 30 minutes, they systematically refute what old dead grandma said. The they showed Cleopatra's Macedonain heritage and also the distinct probability that not all her ancestors were Macedonian. None of the experts suggest any black ancestors. Try not to believe a lot of internet hacks, many of whom only saw the 2 min trailer.
What do you mean “systematically repute?” they said she might have had a Egyptian Mother or grandmother, but in the same section they portray most ancient Egyptians as subsaharan black africans. “Ranged from Deep black to a pale brown” I believe they said? The first one only in the far south and the neighboring Nubian Kingdom of kush to the south. Most would have looked Mediterranean or middle eastern, not black or of black ancestry.@@patdaley9098
They also stated that “the great thing about Cleopatra is that you can portray her anyway you want” Uhm, no. the whole point of history is to find out and discover more, not to make stuff up to make yourself feel good. If there is something you don’t have info to learn about, you don’t make things up, you use what you do know to make educated guesses and predictions. If you have a puzzle with some missing pieces, many scattered around the house, some damaged, and many straight up missing and lost to time memorial itself, and having to make the missing pieces to get a complete tapestry with pieces of thin cardboard, you don’t go “Hmmm, this piece is missing, so ill just make it red with purple polka-dots and yellow wavy lines because it makes me feel good, and cut out the connecting parts to be squares to be quirky!” No, you would say “hmm, this part is fully surrounded by light blue squares except by directly below, where it is a darkish kinda murky gray, and the colors flow over to adjacent pieces at many points, so it would be best to make this piece mostly light blue, but leave some uncolored to show how it is rather uncertain.” @@patdaley9098
@@aminatandour589 Who is "they?" It was a particular person who said it and you simply rip it out of context. Of course, the statement is not really about Cleopatra but about our reaction to what little we know about how Cleopatra looked, and that not certainly.
At least you recognize that our knowledge of historical events is fragmentary and to come up with a narrative of sorts, we must resort to what we think is probable and of course, apply some imagination. One could not do a docudrama without using imagination for the dramatic parts. In a full documentary of ancient times, there would be no actors. Once you go the docudrama route, you need actors, and no matter who you choose, people can criticize them
@@patdaley9098they said one thing and showed another. It's not outright lying, but still lying.
My grandma once told me. “I don’t care what they tell you in school, Jada Pinkett-Smith was a transgender white man who identified as a Chinese woman with a luscious head of black hair”.
It’s true I saw it in a dream I had when I was in 4th grade.
I was asked out by a transgender man(female to male). I told the person I like a real man with a 🍆 and it got so mad and wanted to fight me 😂
@@LittleJoePeep “Tell my story”
@@icecreambeats101 Well, since you seem to be a woman. Answer me one thing, if you like: Do you think that Cleopatras story is empowering?
@@dortmundgrabenstein9193 No. It’s not empowering. She was inbreed. How does an inbreed person have enough sense to run a country? She’s Greek Macedonian which is white and took over egypt. I’m sorry but those men and women should’ve took her out. That’s like an Indian woman born in England takes over England, Ireland and France.
"Professor" quotes"I don't care what they teach you in school"
You REALLY don't give yourself much credibility there
100%
Another dude in the comment section posted "this was out of context" really???
Well, it really is out of context. Dr. Shelley Haley was relating something her GRANDMOTHER told her. Why do you lie?
Go watch the discussion of Cleopatra's ancesty in EP. 1, start after 32 minutes. Dreadfully sorry, but no one suggests any black ancestors for Cleopatra. Macedonian, Egyptians, maybe Persians, not black ancestors. Have you been too lazy to even watch the docudrama?
This show was really educational - _it'll drive more people to read books._
Reading books are overated, you could just mindfully study by different channels, articles, rather than flipping through 200 pages
I like when she says that "we've been whitewashing Cleopatra" yet she's blackwashing her....
Little false flag operation there... OK PUTIN
If the whites do it, it's bad. Only the blacks can do that. Yes, fight racism with more racism.
Finally a good analysis that isn’t just freaking out about the politics but actually breaks down the history. And is willing to say that some things were accurate. You think the entire thing was just that one professor saying that one thing the way most go on about it.
Thanks for making something worth watching.
"My mother told me the earth is flat, therefore, everybody else who actually know what they're talking about is lying".🙄
Honestly, at this point, you could say that Jada is telling... "A bald faced lie".
I'm not gonna get my coat, I stand by that.
LOL omg
Well I know nothing about Mrs Pinkett Smith other than she has an inclination to the friends of her son, just sexually of course, and have a slight feeling that she might not be the most honest person on the planet. It seems to be supported by this mockumentary.
@O.K. so, you've squeezed 1 out, now pinch it off ! I think you'll find the correct term is Peladophobia, so I guess you could say I'm being a Peladaphobist? 🤷🏻♂️
@O.K. so, you've squeezed 1 out, now pinch it off ! It's alright, don't worry, I have dyslexic moments too 🙃.
Lock your doors, your windows, and get out your selfie-stick. You are gonna have a visit from Will Smith tonight.
Cleopatra is African the same way Elon musk is. They’re just born on the continent
That's why in the next Netflix biopic about famous people, Elon Musk will be portrayed by Martin Lawrence.
That applies to everyone born in America. Color aside, and oh I do agree with Morgan Freeman on this, everyone born here is American/USA native.
That's why the words Native American can be confusing. Those using that phrase are usually not related to the Siberian transplant colonizers.
Right. You don't have to be black. Also, this'll flip Pinkett-Smith out, the people of the Mediterranean basin are caucasian. You don't have to be white to be caucasian. They're just respond, "Biology is racist, just like math."
@@iampoch01*Kevin Hart.
@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 Oh yeah better casting there.
She was Greek, not black. She sold her body for power and influence. She had no idea how to fight, and she had people killed. This is staggering appropriation by the creators of this film.
My favourite parts is where one of the professors calls Rome an "emerging power" at this point. Despite Rome having already won the Punic wars and was very much the dominant power in the Region during this period in history. Sure it wasn't at the height of its power but it wasn't emerging.
But Roman white so Roman bad
@@rRekkoand Roman man so Roman bad
So you think Mark Antony could not have defeated the Parthians? And you think he and Cleopatra could not have won the Battle of Actium? So you think it was all inevitable because Rome was the dominant power at the time? History could have been much different.
It was so they could claim Egypt is what made them dominant. Funny because the only time Egypt gave them the slightest of issues was because of Antony, a Roman.
My Grandma told me Cleopatra was more GREEK & WHITE than FETA Cheese
@O.K. so, you've squeezed 1 out, now pinch it off ! We have smart Grandmas! ✊🏻
@O.K. so, you've squeezed 1 out, now pinch it off ! Yes Sir !!!! ✊🏻 We Won!!! Again 👍🏻
7:18 "Starting with a conclusion and working backwards." This irrational method of thinking is called "confirmation bias", for anyone who's interested. @History Revealed - Great video, thanks for putting it together... and for calling out all of their pathetic attempts to subjectively "re-write" history.
Another point that most are overlooking is that this supposed girlboss who's being celebrated as a heroine, was a bloodthirsty tyrant.
She learned toxic masculinity from her father I guess.
But the bad things those super diverse ancient girlbosses did doesn’t fit in their all new fantasy made reality. Same problem with the first part of this African queens series. Njinga/Nzinga was pictured as a brave and tough African hero. No part was shown about her involvement with the Portuguese in slavery. In fact she gave a shit about her African traditions and rites. As soon as it gave her an advantage she converted to Catholicism as this helped her tighten the relationship with the white European colonists who helped her fighting other Africans and kept her as queen. The Portuguese just wanted her to share her slavery profits. In fact this woman was pure egoist and evil. She was a Machiavellian.
Well she was awesome - in a brutal men's world and did what she had to do to survive
She was indeed a powerful, cunning, intelligent woman. Though she was not a good person. We can appreciate her wit without her being one, but Netflix is misconstruing her intentions.
Yeah, didn't she kill all of her siblings?
"Julius Caesar was a chinese lesbian", oh boy, that got me right in the tickle testicle.
I like that you're mocking this and turning it into humour, as should be done with something so ridiculous. Only bright side of this political wonderland we live in is the jokes it provides.
I'm still Mulan over it!
They probably think George Washington was black
Ah yes, as a Chinese person, I can confirm that Julius Caesar was indeed a Chinese lesbian
"tickle testicle" That's a new one imma save.
@@deborahcheung8636 Nope Julie Cesaro was a dashing 3 metres Yeti from Nepal, but get this in reality he was a non binary Aztec prince.
“For if any non-Greek power, whether Persian or Macedonian, were to achieve world dominion, the typical form of the Greek state would suffer death and destruction.” [p.188]❤❤❤
I think what she really meant towards the end was that every narcissistic wannabe girlboss with goddess complex can relate to Netflix's version of Cleo Warrior Princess 👸🏾 ⚔️💅🤳
You forgot lying and delusional.
So basically people are paying hundreds of dollars just to be near millions of dollars in debt for the Russian roulette chance of having professors like her? Ouch!
THIS is the problem. Our next generation of educators, judges, and politicians are being trained by the likes of her. Then they graduate and are inflicted on the rest of the world.
We're screwed.
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 Hey man, Trade School still exists.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor And art, theres always art. I'm trying to work as an indie game dev so that nobody forces there dumb ideas onto me.
That or I'll just be a code monkey if plan A fails
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 you are….it‘s going to be a new civil war before soon, the way you are heading right now….
R.I.P. USA
She's a professor in classics. That is art. Anybody paying millions to get a degree in arts are already fucked before even meeting her.
It's incredible how transparent their use of words is in trying to never imply anything bad about her is true.
Especially with her fleeing the battle, where "she had no choice", egypt would "be defenceless". Saying it in such a way that she isn't really screwing her ally over, but she's doing it out of love for her people.
It's kinda funny how obvious they make it. xD
And then they call Anthony cowardly for doing the exact same thing the lack of self awareness is astounding
I would start with her name, which is Greek (beloved by her father). I haven't seen anyone pointing out that the actress seems too old to play the part, just like Elizabeth Taylor was. Cleopatra was about 20 when she first met Julius Caesar. In my opinion, Vivien Leigh looks like having the right age in "Caesar and Cleopatra," though she was over 30 years old at the time. Also, it is not mentioned that she rules in Alexandria, which is literally a Greek city and not historically Egyptian, as it was founded by Alexander the Great. Alexandria was the center of Hellenistic culture which is the Greek culture that was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean in the years that followed Alexander in Antiquity. Examples are the Jewish Holiday of Hannukah, celebrating religious independence from Greek influence and the New Testament originally written in Greek.
@Also wirklich?! Spanakopita!
You simply do not know what is in the docudrama. Did you actually watch it? If you did, you missed a lot.
@@patdaley9098 It's like refereeing a scientific paper: you stop after the first fatal error.
@@ilanpi And what fatal error was that? Something old dead grandma said decades ago--something that the docudrama then proceeds to systematically refute?
@@patdaley9098 You are confusing this with an actual referee report.
This is just JPS’s ethnic narcissism.
Ethnic Narcissism. had not heard that term before
What did Cate Blancett say in Tar:
"Don’t be so eager to be offended, the narcissism of small differences can lead to the most boring conformity."
This is narcissism of big differences and it leads to disconformity but still boring.
not narcissism, more like wanting something to be proud of
@@vertigo2894 then be proud of historical figures that were actually black! Appropriating someone else’s culture, conflating different countries identities and culture into “African” which is a continent made of many different countries with different cultures, identities and ethnicities isn’t something to have pride in.
@@vertigo2894 I think there is plenty to be proud of, but it's narcissistic to make everything about one's self or group.
For example, JPS could have told the story of the Egyptian Queen Haptepshut who preceeded the Macedonian Ptolmeic dynasty, or she could have told the story of any number of African kingdoms. Instead she chose to misrepresent history to suit her modern identity politics. It's a shame.
@@kamion53 I wish I could recall where I first heard the term, but I think it pretty well describes the tendancy to interpret everything in terms of one's ethnic or other group identity ... I agree it is so boring!
We literally have the world at our finger tips, how difficult is it to track down someone from a historically accurate region to portray a character? There are people around the globe striving to get a breakout role in the arts so I am sure you could have found someone if you actually tried to look internationally.
In this case, I think they dodged a bullet.
Eagerly waiting for Netflix's "black" Diana "documentary" because no matter endless photos and videos, someone's grandmother told her Princess Diana was black. 👍👍👍
It will probably happen!
That day is coming. Mark my words.
Have you seen the black-washed Anne Boleyn “docu-drama”? Apparently Henry VIII liked the dark meat too 😂
I would love it if someone asked these 'experts' if they considered Boers as Africans?
I would love it if these experts titles would be revoked...
US Americans showing the decline of academic institutions decay and capture by ideology in real time….
They were born in Africa so naturally they are black because my Gran told me so
Yes if they see themselves as African - and this is the point. Also American - if your family is living there for 200 years, do you see yourself as American?
@@RoninDave that's stupid
It really makes me laugh how they show her in every pic she is so happy swings around, is in love with everyone, the people smile if she is around and they had a paradise before the romans came...that`s just sooooooo "realistic"
The fake documentary is clearly trash. And I have learned so much about this period in history watching all of the brilliant takedowns. Thanks and subscribed.
Hold on. A university/college professor...quotes her grandmother saying "I don't care what they tell you in school" followed by misinformation.
So by this logic. Shelley, a teacher/lecturer, telling us Cleopatra is black...we shouldn't care what she tells us from school, Cleopatra is what she actually is.
Her logic goes both ways.
Don't trust what teachers say.
She's a teacher.
Don't trust what she says.
Full circle.
Absolutely, it shows you how elegantly simple minded Ideologues are.
@@dortmundgrabenstein9193 I just don’t understand how so many people could do this and at no point none of them thought ‘wait…is this wrong?’ 🤦♂
Dr. Shelley Haley does not believe that Cleopatra was black. If you had actually watched the docudrama, you would know that.
She resonates with Jada Pinket Smith and her ego!
In Jada's little mind, she's Cleopatra, Will is Caesar, & August is Marcus Antonius.
@@P.Whitestrakei see what u did there😅
Mel Gibson:"I am the king of historical inaccuracies"
Jada Smith:" Hold my beer".
At least Mel can make an entertaining film 😂
Mel Gibson is fucking historian elite in comparission.
hold my wig*
As a true historian, you touch on controversial angles and cover different aspects of the story. Kudos for that. Subscribed.
Possibly - I Believe - Could have. All of these are used to justify rewriting known historical facts that are established and documented. It's becoming so common as of late, and this is why people are up in arms about this series and many other shows, and movies, that are pushing an identity politics agenda. It's all about ticked boxes and just enough truth to feel justified and defend their actions.
Thank you for the facts and commentary! Newly subscribed and looking forward to more.
Bro thank you so much for this . I had a good time I laughed so hard. To me one of the saddest things was this supposed professor. she said very few truths and the rest were twisted lies. This world is becoming something else.
It is, and it is not good whatsoever
Netflix is so powerful now that it can alternative the cultures and the history of a country.
Netflix already did the same to German ancient history with Barbarians, it got so bad that the historical advisers in Berlin quit their job in despair….Kaptorga rules!
Anyway, no backlash…so I am beyond happy to see the Egyptian lawyer suing them for stealing their country‘s history.
Well done, hope the courts rule will be high enough to cause real damage for Netflix
True but Barbarians is a historical drama without talking head experts unlike Cleo.
@@mattm8870 you are right, of course, calling Cleopatra a documentary and then letting PhD CANDIDATES from irrelevant studies speak on something they have no expert opinion on should be illegal.
I have a PhD in molecular genetics, hear my opinion on the flooding of the Nile during Cleopatra's time... 🙄😬
I don't think so!
@𓋆 𓊝𓉱𓂃 𓂁 𓂂 𓂄𓂅 𓂆𓁖 Yes, I would if I had one... but I don't have a Netflix subscription in the first place.
My parents used to be very strict about the content we consumed via TV and even cartoons were out due to too much 'violence'.
My Dad loved Ancient Egypt though, and we watched a lot of real. documentaries together... happy memories!
Be proud of your glorious ancestors, they built a remarkable culture for thousands of years!
My grandmother used to always say "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"
wise granny, good stories make the world go round.
My grandma once told me, "Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining."
My grandma told me, not once but many times "You better put on clean underwear before you go outside"
Thank you for your insights. I didn't watch the so called "documentary" but the controversy got me interested to hear from historians on their views. I didn't realize that Netflix was such a woke platform as I usually just watch their Asian shows. I think the woke culture is going too far in trying to change history rather than change the future for a better world. Too bad the entertainment industry has turned into a propaganda machine and trying to cram "wokeness" down everyone's throat
Wokeism is Marxism rebranded. Karl Marx says to rewrite history and remove the indigenous people from it. So that’s what Netflix is doing, removing Native Egyptians from their story
I am Egyptian and thank you for telling the truth and this woman call herself a teacher she should be ashamed for lying,l already stopped my Netflix account ,i hope everyone cut their Netflix subscription, every Egyptian is angry at this production again many thanks for your excellent work
based on what Cleopatra did in her life it wouldn't surprise me if she was a psychopath.
she was a women if her time. If you look at the dynasty you see a lot of murders, wars for power struggle and so forth. So while you may claim she was a psychopath in truth she was normal for a ruler of that time period. Ruthless, while trying to balance multiple factions trying to unseat her throne.
Well, dark triad personality running in the blood…a bloodline of ruthless politicians are probably end up with at least one pure psychopath child but Cleopatra was more of a high functioning person with psychopathic traits as all leaders are required to be psychopathic. A true psychopath would be terrible at politics.
Well she did a lot or all of it to survive - for herself, her family and Egypt.
*IF* she was a psychopath? You're so naive if you think there's even a remote possibility she might NOT have been a psychopath.
@@atgay2640 You don't really understand what a psychopath is in real life. Your view of a psychopath was formed by films, TV shows, and games. In reality, the vast majority of psychopaths are actually extremely high functioning and successful individuals. They aren't like the Joker. They aren't like Vaas from Far Cry 3. The most realistic and true-to-life representation of a psychopath would be a high-level politician. In fact, in psychology, politicians are the most used example of what a psychopath is.
I've also heard that the biblical Jews were actually black, Moses and Jesus were black, Beethoven was black, and also King George III of England was a light-skinned black man. I loved the History Channel doc from years ago about Hannibal of Carthage where they cast a guy who looks like Mr T to play Hannibal in the re-enactments.
Ancient aliens has more to it
yet no issue with super white Jesus portrayals and images. I call that the Roman catholic reimagining
@@cjpp78ytube Never trust anything the Catholic Roman Church says, ever….
Even when they say women are being punished for Eve‘s sin through painful childbirth….
They have been assholes for ever
@@cjpp78ytube because Jews range from olive to white?
Dude, Arabs, Jews, and Delta Egyptians have the same ancestors.
@@skybattler2624 jesus most likely was olive skin but he wasn't blue eye. not sure that was the dominant eye color in that region
Hollywood won't let a lie get in the way of a good story. Another great example is The Woman King, where they made that tribe out to be the heroes instead of the British army that fought to stop the slave trade.
How about a film about Martin Luther King, but he's played by Mel Gibson😂 that would be perfect
What actor would you get to play Malcolm X😊
Robert Downey Jr
A polar bear documentary using brown bears would be good.
George Floyd movie starring Ryan Gosling
Dylan Mulvaney 🤣🤣🤣
Banjo player from Deliverance.
As a woman i never ever resonate with CLEOPATRA and never heard one doing so 🤣
Incest, killing their siblings, having affairs, thinking themselves as GOD?!?! Are you crazzzzy? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
This sounds like a prank guys. This isn't real right? I cannot believe what i just heard 😅
Welcome to the ancient world :)
Well Pharaohs were God kings, of course she believed that... and all the other stuff...
welcome to a time long ago when women ruled with unparalleled power
and shitty ethics
These characteristics sound so familiar. Oh Jada Smith is like that
there was a rumor that she wasn't as pretty as depicted in artworks of her and she had them edited. So she's like, the ancient version of heavily photoshopped Instagram models.
THANK GOD someone has the balls to call this garbage out.
If that ain't prove of that we living in an Orwellian world, I don't know what is.
every has called it out already, I haven't seen someone breaking it down piece by piece though.
Blackwashing revisionist rubbish.
For frick sake, the entire Egypt sued the Netflix
Well that was no secret - really everybody is talking about it. What my concern is - its now a cultural war peak, nobody cares about the facts.
I checked, and Professor Shelley Haley teaches classic Africa, about ancient Egypt, Cleopatra (listed specifically), the Roman empire, etc. So I'm assuming that she's teaching all her students that Cleopatra is black, not Macedonian Greek?
She claimed she didn't have any idea about the content of the show, only that she was hired to talk about Cleopatra and Egypt.
A new documentary on Netflix let’s give a whirl I say. I got as far as “Don’t believe what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was black”…and that’s when I decided it was time to save some money on the Netflix subscription and dust off the library card to actuary read history again. At least this video saved me 4 hours of lost time by summing up the series.
Also what the "professor" didn't say in order to be put in a set of power your bloodline has to be pure, so with that said if her mom wasn't from a preferred bloodline she wouldn't be cleopatra.
The Ptolemy dynasty was based on legitimization not on bloodline - paper trail. The Father / Pharao had to officially accept his children and heirs.
Wow… the older lady at the end unabashedly said Cleopatra’s spirit visited her in dreams to say, “Tell my story”? 😂😂😂
So a shadowy figure came to a professor in a dream and said to tell this story? Wouldn't she have done better to become a channeller rather than a teacher? It worries me that this woman is actually teaching. What other "history" is she making up?
That's so dumb ! And the fact they chose to keep that line in their "documentary" says a lot...
😂😂😂😂😂
@Jane
Well, haven't you heard? Feelings are everything, nothing should be based on facts.
@Alan Myerscough Diversity hire.
Her name wuz Cleomika Johnson ummkay?
Even that birth scene was wrong. Egyptian Queens were obliged to sit in full regalia on the birthing chair, surrounded by the court officials and she waa not allowed to utter a sound, let alone scream out. Poor thing. She was the representation of a goddess on earth giving birth to a royal, divine offspring.
What I love is her Egyptian Accent! 🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂🤣
My own grandmother told me that Cleopatra was actually an immortal alien princess from the planet Zeist. She just HAS to be right!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Whats insane is Type-Moon's Fate/Grand Order game portrays her better then Hollywood's does.
when Alex Haley admitted he faked most of his book, after touting it as fact it sent a message that fiction trumps fact.
It’s just so cringeworthy. The American lens of anything to do with Africa is so bizarre. From wakanda essentially being Monarchy ran America wearing a Swahili Skin suit, to this where even the re enactments are what they *think* Africa is like. I’ll bet you not one single one of these people involved has ever even set foot on African soil.
The dialogue is absolutely 💯 painful. Not just the acting. Nevermind the absurd premise of her ethnicity.
Im suprised Jada didnt cast her son Jaiden as Cleo in the movie
The thing is, they COULD have done a documentary on the many black queens throughout Africa. Metatron told a story of one (I forget her name) that I thought was incredibly interesting.
Nefertiti perhaps...
Yodit?
@@giantotter319 It was 'the kandake'
Queen Amanirenas, she was a Kushite queen and actually defeated Rome, unlike Cleopatra. Pretty interesting story. I watch Metatron as well. The Kushites were the 25th dynasty in Egypt. The only Nubian dynasty that can be proven. Cleopatra was Caucasian. Jada knew that,she didn't care.
Or african kings for goodness sake
The richest man in ALL of history was african for goodness sake
"...unites Rome and Egypt..."
This one made me LOL. Kind of the way the Raj "united" Britain and India.
History influencer actually means time traveller. No other way to "influence" history.