TPO Roof Balloning on a FR3 from Forest River
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2020
- A month of so ago I dida video showing this roof loose at the front. Well the customer approved the replacement and I show what we found. Loos like glue adhesion is the issue. I am not sure why the factories seem to be having this issue.
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It's sad that factory's are like that. I've worked in one for over 2 years and it's the same everywhere. Go, Go, Go you only have 1 hour to get that done and the buzzer rings and off it goes down the line whether or not it's done right. I couldn't stand it. So I left. Awesome video. It's people like you that make a difference.
I'd like to hear more about that. I rarely get to speak to the workers. I know I watched a Jayco factory video where it seemed like the workers were sprinting, and even to a unsafe worker like myself I couldn't help but think slow down guys.
@@AZExpert yes it was a very unsafe environment. I was very rushed and so out of my comfort zone and always scared for my life. There was always something above and below you moving all the time. Chains on the ground and overhead hoists that were carrying or moving something all day long. I seen someone get killed by a wall that fell off the overhead crane and smashed him completely flat. We were shut down for 2 weeks after that. That was his second day there. I was there for just 2 weeks myself. It was an experience that I would never forget.
That's terrifying. I had no idea they factories were so brutal. I've only been to a few but I understand everything you're saying.
Shake my head. Buyers save for years to buy their dream and this is what they get. Thanks James.
I am equally dismayed.
Back in the early 80's I took a course given by 3m that included how to properly apply several of their adhesives. Contact cement being one of them. before the course I thought "What tell me how to apply contact cement?" (I have ran thru many 55 gallon drums at this point)... after the course wow did I have to rethink how I was using it. the info I learned at the 3m course. "Stuck with me" even to this very day. Sorry the FR3 didnt get a proper tech doing the job. Their failures keep you guys in business. Thanks for the up!
I have found myself watching endless industry training videos from all industries now that they are on youtube, and learn so much from them. Thanks!
Thanks James, great info. Sad commentary of manufacturer installation practices. Outrageous.
Totally agree
Since you're an experienced RV inspector I would really love to see complete videos of RV inspections. The entire video of a class A, B, C what you exactly do when one orders an inspection. From beginning to end completely documented what I get for my $$ on an average RV inspection
There are literally DOZENS on my channel
@@AZExpertif they're not titled properly how do I find them? If you have any complete inspection walkthroughs you should create playlists for them by naming them class C or A or B so they can easily be located. Right now the only option is to scroll down 500 videos on your channel and trying to guess from the picture and title
That's what I've been thinking since it always seems to be most evident just behind the front cap where there is that huge low pressure area on every one I've seen going down the road
I think you're right!
Thank you
You're welcome
Thank you very much... it's a shame that people save their money up to buy these things and this happens.... hope everybody's having a good day✌🏼✌🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
thank you
My guess is air pressure is coming in from the front cap and getting under the seal and into the TPO.
I was I was trying to find a shred of Hope because I already put this expensive roof on and it came out wrong with bubbles oh but the solution is just to replace it all thank God another $800 no problem
Too bad the quality control for that FR3 was poor. Thanks James for the video. Happy trails!
Thanks for watching! :)
I have a 2021 5th wheel with a TPO roof. There are areas, mainly at the OSB sseams (decking) and edges that the room membrane is loose. Could a possible fix be to add more adhesive by injecting through the TPO or cut slits and roll more adhesive so the TPO would stick and then patch the cuts. Seems like it would be cheaper/easier than replacing the entire roof.
Interesting, I guess no matter what the roof it can have issues. Our new unit is suppose to have PVC. They say maintenance free however no roof is maintenance free
PVC seems to be a very good roof, but every roof needs annual inspection at a minimum.
I was traveling on I95 last year and must have seen 3 or 4 roofs ballooning in the two days I was traveling. It's nuts.
I keep hearing how common it is and it's strange that I hadn't heard of it before 6 months ago.
@@AZExpert what’s the best way to pass a wire through the skin of my coach. Just drill a hole ???
I have cameras that him to a computer and I get 3D virtual on the screen . Like a drone is flying overhead
That's likely what I would do. That's what factories do. The King Aire has the 360 feature and it's cool....of course I had to change 2 cameras and fix the power connection on a 2018 already.
I had a 2016 FR3 and I noticed members in the FR3 Group on Facebook were having issues with their roofs lifting and bubbling. They are nice RVs but it would have been nice if the Manufacturer put a little more work on certain areas and didn't skimp. I guess that's with all the RVs though right?
I wonder if that's why they switched to FRP roofs?
Get em built, get em out, get em sold!
sure seems that way
OSHA approved...as a young man I worked in steel mills in the 60s before OSHA.
There was an onsite infirmary and an ambulance stationed in the plant complex. That's how frequently workers were injured. Lots of heavy metal with razor sharp edges. Molten metals. Ovens. Machinery and presses without any safeguards
Walking in to clock in, you passed a large sign that informed you of how many days (yes, days) since the last fatality & major injury. 😳 Saw a coworker loading a gondola car with 20" pipe. Craneman set the load down on his legs.
Being a cop is like the 14th most dangerous job. Lots of labor jobs are high risk.
I know I tend to make poor risk decisions while working, I think I've been luckier than I should. I try thinking ahead a little bit more now.
Thanks for the great videos. Can you install a fiberglass roof on that rv instead of rubber? If so how much extra would it cost?
While I'd say anything could be done, it would be a very expensive undertaking and probably not look good or last long due to the roof construction flexing and not laying flat.
Sounds like factory is not doing a good job! :(
It seems like a plague as it's not just one factory doing it.
I assume it’s a warranty job? Hope so. Yeah it has no glue on the roof. All your other videos the membrane comes off in pieces. I guess your guess is correct, the glue dries too much before the roof is put on. Sad.
No this is far outside of warranty.
That deck did not look like it had glue on it from before? Maybe they did not have enough glue but did not want to hold up the line.
it may not have shown well on video but the deck was completely covered, it just didn't adhere to the membrane likely because it was too dry already. Only the thick wet spots stuck to the membrane
I've seen the coating cause this when there wasn't enough glue under the rubber
Like the coating released the adhesive underneath?
@@AZExpert as I said because there was not enough adhesive under the rubber
Quality Control at the factories would catch 100 percent of these, right? oh, did that sound sarcastic? My bad !!!!!
I mean they say they do 2-3 quality inspections before they leave the factory. And I never had any obvious defects delivered to the dealer. The factories have no incentive to ship defective units and would never do that. Did I sound sarcastic? Thanks! :)
@@AZExpert yes you did
another great show. Just wondering, since your the roof G U R U (LOL) I have a winebago Itasca with fiberglass roof. I cleaned it today and was wondering, is there anything that I can do to it to make it better? was just going to wax but thought id ask if there were anything better?
A standard wash and wax is all the factory recommends. You can hand wax it but that could ruin your knees and back. The roof lap sealant should last the life of the roof but always check the radius to the gutter sealant.
Older model high end manufacturers is the way to go! If that happened to me I'd be happy to sue.
It's getting very alarming on the roof builds lately.
Is there any chance that air is getting in from under the front nose cap? Maybe under high winds air works its way under the RV up through the cap and then under the membrane. I just did a repair to my 2020 Keystone Hideout 5th wheel and noticed there was no caulking between the deck and the nose cap. The membrane went over the nose cap. With one screwed in strip on the nose cap and a second one on the decking. One interesting thing I noticed was that second front strip, the one behind the cap, had most of the screw stripped and it was pulled away from the decking. Plus on one side of the trailer the membrane had worked itself loose from under the rain strip, perhaps indicating where the air was eventually able to escape.
BTW, I recall the membrane on my Hideout when I pulled it up was not sticky either, but it was hard to pull up, so there was some adhesion. I'm not discounting your theory, I'm just suggesting another. Maybe both are correct.
The point is, it shouldnt be doing that at ALL
@@AZExpert Thank you for the response. I totally agree with that point. But another of your points, intentional or not, is why balooning occurs. That part of your videos I find very useful, because by identifying why balooning happens, (1) it might help the manufacturer change the way they are doing things and (2) it helps the consumer and maybe the repair companies prevent it from happening again. In my case, I caulked the gap between the nose cone and the decking before I laid the membrane on top of the caulk line in the hopes that the balooning doesn't happen again. I have no clue if that fix will work, but the fix was easy enough to do.
Given your expertise, I would be very much interested in your opinion on whether my theory has any validity, for example whether there is any way for outside air to flow up from under the nose cone to the roof, particularly on windy days. My roof balooning happened after a very hot (105) and very windy drive to the Texas coast.
On a windy day the bed of my pickup is very turbulent. The underside of the 5th wheel where the hitch sticks out is not sealed in any way. One has to wonder where the air going up where the hitch sticks goes. Hopefully, there is some place for it to vent and not just let pressure build up and perhaps go to the top of the nose cone.
If this was your motorhome/RV and you could choose what to replace the membrain with what would you choose?filon right?😲
Filon would be a great deal of work to retrofit. I really like TPO and have put it on many of my personal RVs. PVC seems like the best option now.
Sure see a lot of them puffed up going down the highway.
I keep hearing that, it's very disturbing
I had the whole front cap become disconnected from my Coachman Concord 300TS a total piece of what is now a $130K class B+......never again
That is outrageous. I am very sorry to hear that, were you able to get it repaired?
Our 2022 outback is bubbling along the seams of the roof. So far manufacturer refuses to do anything about it saying it is normal.
That's not normal
@@AZExpert apparently my only option is to wait till the typo blows off and maybe they will,fix it if it's still under warranty
Put the adhesive on and went to lunch ...
that's what I feel
It looks like not enough adhesive 😱😱😱
I agree it was done poorly
Good deck, but the manufacturer failed to do good work.
What type of roof do you recommend? TPO or EPDM?
How many years before i might need to start thinking about a new roof?
I live in El Paso and my 2016 Grand Design 366DEN is stored outside in the sun.
I like TPO, but it's not great for highly curved or angled 5th wheel roofs. EDPM is thicker and higher quality but tends to chalk much more. I just inspected a 15 year old EPDM and besides being dirty it was still in great shape. Inspections and maintenance is the key to longevity
It sure looks like you love replacing roofs...
Thats why I have to say it, otherwise people will think I'm fullfilling my dreams. :)
Shame the factory-installed a poor way to do it. Working pushing them out door 🚪
That sounds right!
Cut cost,period.
that is the truth and push them out
Sad, manufacturers should be sued for this shit job
"Quality Control". What a joke.
it is very disturbing indeed