Designing 'MARVEL SNAP'

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  • Опубликовано: 2 май 2023
  • In this GDC 2023 talk, absorb 15 years of collectible card game design experience as Ben Brode (Hearthstone, MARVEL SNAP) blasts card game knowledge direct from his brain into your ears and eyes.
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  • @JeremyHoffman
    @JeremyHoffman Год назад +112

    55:20 for those wondering what the questioner and Brode were saying that sounded like "fatooie", "FTUE" is "first time user experience".

    • @TheBornliar
      @TheBornliar Год назад +1

      THANK you! I tried closed captions and received a new answer each time I replayed the section.

    • @mrvfino
      @mrvfino Год назад +1

      THANKS! Finding a hard time figuring it out prior.

    • @chenhan22
      @chenhan22 6 месяцев назад +1

      Literally why I opened the comment section. Thank you!

    • @alexandreseidy3577
      @alexandreseidy3577 4 месяца назад +1

      and here i was, looking at wisps and some famous gacha-game characters. tyvm!

    • @Semicolon42
      @Semicolon42 Месяц назад

      Thank you! That was bothering me what "Fatooy" was

  • @plaknas_games
    @plaknas_games Год назад +387

    Ben is such a great presenter and energy. I love everything about Marvel Snap. Never been this addicted to any mobile game before.

    • @queensforever7498
      @queensforever7498 Год назад +5

      I bet you love galactus and slow card acquisition

    • @niennunb9139
      @niennunb9139 Год назад +55

      @@queensforever7498 bro go away, this man is just expressing his love for a game and you gotta try be negative

    • @rcgwolf
      @rcgwolf Год назад +28

      ​@@queensforever7498 someone just got shitted on by a galactus player and couldnt counter it. What a baby

    • @prettyboyg1278
      @prettyboyg1278 Год назад +11

      @@niennunb9139 You could almost say that he's.. Mr. Negative. *ba dum tss*

    • @sahyoeon3961
      @sahyoeon3961 Год назад +5

      ​@@queensforever7498 Skill issue much, never had any issues with Galactus as it's easy to read and counter. Git good bruh

  • @abefroman81
    @abefroman81 Год назад +97

    Great presentation. I find Ben to be one of the best spokespersons for any brand, ever. His personality is infectious, you can see his passion for what he does. While I don't play Marvel Snap any more, I stand behind a statement I tell anyone who asks me; it is one of, if not the single best designed card game I have ever played, and I have played a lot over the years.

  • @JStack
    @JStack Год назад +34

    29:20 very interesting that the idea to not reveal all 3 locations at start was a simplicity choice essentially, and has resulted in adding a lot of depth to the snapping mechanic and how to hedge your starting hands even after one good location.

  • @StefanLopuszanski
    @StefanLopuszanski Год назад +221

    I worked this talk and helped get Ben comfortable as he had just lost his voice traveling to SF because his flight was canceled.
    Glad it all worked out! Was great meeting and "chatting" with him. =)

    • @clearsky4049
      @clearsky4049 Год назад +24

      You held him in your arms and told him that everything would be alright?

    • @Tedi652
      @Tedi652 Год назад

      ​@@clearsky4049 You a 🤡

    • @CesarDaSalad
      @CesarDaSalad Год назад +1

      Even with his voice lost he talked louder than I ever will! 😂

  • @pizzaboy220
    @pizzaboy220 Год назад +114

    I could listen to Ben Brode talk all day, really interesting talk and a great game

  • @goooglemybrainsout
    @goooglemybrainsout Год назад +31

    Great talk and what a trooper to save his voice all day just to not let everyone down.

  • @triarii9257
    @triarii9257 Год назад +42

    I love what this man has done. That being said, I suffered piloted shredder for years because he wouldn't nerf digital cards.

    • @turntsnaco824
      @turntsnaco824 Год назад +6

      I've recently gotten back into Hearthstone, after playing it very consistently pretty much since it came out, and with how regular card changes are now, it has me thinking back a LOT to those earlier years and the infrequency (to some degree, near absence) of nerfs, and wondering why on earth they thought that was actually the way to handle things.

    • @Faude18
      @Faude18 6 месяцев назад

      @@turntsnaco824 because they thought it's better for players that don't play often or come back to the game after a break. I think it was also Ben Brode who gave this explenation.

  • @soulwarrior
    @soulwarrior Год назад +10

    I had the pleasure of interviewing Ben around 2008 at GamesCon in Leipzig, Germany. At the time, the WoW TCG was still in the making and scheduled for a release later the same year (I might mix up the exact date by a year, sorry if that's the case).
    He was just as full of energy back then as he is right now. It was a "big deal" for someone from the mighty company Blizzard to interact with us lowly folks from the TCG company Upper Deck or at least that's what everybody told me.
    Ben was down to earth, humble, as I said FULL of energy and he had such a passion for the game. It's no surprise to me that he kept climbing the ladder and I think that what he's achieved with Marvel Snap deserves gigantic kudos. As someone that's been playing TCGs for more than 10 years, all the innovation that Snap brought to the table can't be underestimated. It truly is revolutionary in my humble opinion.
    Several other card games will benefit because of Marvel Snap as it will draw more people in and have them (eventually) try out other card games. Often those that have more complexity (whether or not that's a good thing is up to everybody's own taste).
    I hope he won't stop what he's doing at the moment as he's such an important voice for the entire industry. 🙂

  • @retrocemeterygaming5598
    @retrocemeterygaming5598 Год назад +44

    His part about limiting the card descriptions to roughly eight words is brilliant. I've done some billboard designs in the past, and the first piece of advice I got was to never use more than eight words. When people are driving 70mph on the interstate, they need to be able to understand exactly what you need them to as quickly as possible. When there's so much competition in games, it's good to be as clear and concise as possible.

    • @retrocemeterygaming5598
      @retrocemeterygaming5598 Год назад +4

      Credit to George Fan, who he was quoting during that part. Great job, all around!

  • @mr_manager
    @mr_manager Год назад +36

    There’s a lot in here than can be applied in some way to other creative spaces. This was an awesome talk.

  • @abhilashlr9259
    @abhilashlr9259 Год назад +22

    One of my favourite GDC talks. Great job Ben.

  • @StinFriggins
    @StinFriggins Год назад +18

    Ben WAS Hearthstone, and since he left, it can never be as great. I eventually rediscovered his skill in SNAP and now I'm a fan of his all over again.

  • @gamedesigngeek
    @gamedesigngeek Год назад +9

    This is one of the best design talks I've seen in a long time. I'm a game designer and hardcore Marvel Snap player myself, so I enjoyed this excellent talk even more.

  • @revimfadli4666
    @revimfadli4666 Год назад +5

    I really like how this basically also contains other top GDC design talks such as input and output randomness, depth vs complexity, loss aversion etc. Plus Ben is somehow such a captivating speaker

  • @ollie_r8162
    @ollie_r8162 Год назад +9

    Oh man I missed seeing Ben Brode on stage. I have not much interest in card games but his delivery made it super interesting and fun and I ended up feeling like I want to prototype a card game.

  • @meeqsb3521
    @meeqsb3521 Год назад +104

    Ben is lovely and the best

    • @MatthewCJoy
      @MatthewCJoy Год назад

      And supports mutilating children, absolutely the best

  • @blackout0119
    @blackout0119 Год назад +7

    We need an multiple episode in depth style series for this game

  • @syrindigo26
    @syrindigo26 Год назад +92

    I’m surprised air land and sea wasn’t mentioned for inspirations. But this was such a cool presentation. I love this game so much.

    • @tomlikeabomb6706
      @tomlikeabomb6706 Год назад +5

      Was thinking the same thing but Smash Up makes a lot of sense

    • @krikukiks
      @krikukiks Год назад

      Maybe because it wasn't??

    • @luishsm
      @luishsm Год назад +6

      ​@@krikukiks He mentioned in other interviews that air land and sea was indeed an inspiration, and it's much closer to snap than smash up, including the inspiration for the Snap mechanic!

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 Год назад +1

      I always explained the game like "It's Smash Up sped up". I'll need to check Air, Land, and Sea.

    • @bbrode
      @bbrode Год назад +7

      It's because that game came out a couple years after we designed the core gameplay for Snap!

  • @ZenTea
    @ZenTea Год назад +5

    It’s the best card game I’ve played since Magic as a kid way back when. Truly amazing.

  • @FlatThumb
    @FlatThumb Год назад +17

    Great talk! It was inspirational, educational, and engaging! ⭐

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback Год назад +11

    Great talk Ben. When you're playing snap, a lot of the design decisions seem pretty intuitive but obviously they're not given how many design iterations the team went through. It certainly very interesting to hear about how even a simple game like this can go through such a wide variety of different iterations. Big fan of snap, played everyday and in fact I have every single card unlocked. As an aside I feel like Ben Brode would probably be a really good boss; the fact that he went to every single employee to explain the big pivot that they were doing, very few bosses would do something like this. I just started my own company, so I'll have to keep that in mind.

    • @peerinward
      @peerinward Год назад +1

      I agree. But to be fair, it's easier to do so when your head count is low. I just looked it up and it looks like Second Dinner is made of fewer than 40 people

    • @draakisback
      @draakisback Год назад +1

      @@peerinward true. I never want to lose that small company feel even if the company ends up employing 100+ people.

  • @kennethmartinez2465
    @kennethmartinez2465 6 месяцев назад +2

    Ben Brode and his Marvel Snap ads were so good I literally downloaded and played just because of him. I had no ideas what the game was lol

  • @Gildur01
    @Gildur01 Год назад +3

    Ben is just incredible. The positivity, the design philosophy and presentation charm.

  • @brbk4498
    @brbk4498 Год назад +6

    We need that 2v2 . Great video

  • @kaseywahl
    @kaseywahl Год назад +3

    Simple and deep. Two seemingly disparate qualities that Ben Brode somehow married and MASTERED in Marvel Snap.
    I've learned so much from all Brode and co. have done in the TCG space. Thanks for this presentation, Ben. I'm adding this to my repository of game design knowledge in Notion. :)

  • @SubzeroBlack68
    @SubzeroBlack68 3 месяца назад

    Such a great speaker. I would love to see him have a podcast or made his own videos where he spoke about various game mechanics and the methodology of development across the game genres in the industry

  • @d3bol_al7rbi
    @d3bol_al7rbi Год назад +6

    I just watched full hour without me realising that
    Good job from ben and hope for the best

  • @nicksrub
    @nicksrub Год назад +72

    00:20 - Introduction of Ben Brode
    01:12 - Start of Ben Brode's talk
    02:20 - Complexity and depth in games
    03:34 - Reducing complexity in Marvel Snap
    07:12 - First-time user experience (FTUE) in Plants vs. Zombies
    11:47 - Inspiration from Plants vs. Zombies and applying it to Marvel Snap
    13:45 - The zero-sum nature of card games
    15:55 - Creating positive-sum gameplay in Marvel Snap
    17:42 - Using bots to simulate player experience
    19:19 - Playtesting and iterating on the design
    21:52 - Audience Q&A begins
    22:20 - Question on how to balance rules and interactions
    26:29 - Question on expanding the Marvel Snap game
    30:13 - Question on how to reduce complexity and not lose depth
    33:21 - Question on player choice and agency in Marvel Snap
    37:07 - Question on the role of randomness in the game
    40:28 - Question on the balance between depth and complexity
    44:01 - Question on balancing short card text with clarity
    48:47 - Question on first-time player experience and design choices
    52:32 - Question on keywords and card text balance
    55:00 - Question on Marvel IP and game mechanics
    58:00 - Question on monetization and player-friendly design
    1:00:30 - End of Q&A and conclusion of the talk.

    • @markellison24
      @markellison24 Год назад +1

      Thanks brother! Very helpful. Cheers!❤

    • @voltcorp
      @voltcorp Год назад

      sorry but this does not match the video?

    • @nicksrub
      @nicksrub Год назад

      @@voltcorp It was a long talk, I might've lost track

  • @kalip5742
    @kalip5742 Год назад +1

    This is awesome!!! thank you so much GDC and Ben Brode. I am currently designing a digital card game and this definitely helping out. Cheers!!!

  • @kevinalford
    @kevinalford Год назад +3

    Ben is the big-head hero we don't deserve but are incredibly lucky to have.

  • @abhijitchilukuri5090
    @abhijitchilukuri5090 22 дня назад

    This talk was amazing!!

  • @hipunpun
    @hipunpun Год назад +9

    Very interesting, loved this! ❤

  • @SolPlaysAnime
    @SolPlaysAnime Год назад +3

    Thank you so much for this 🙏🏾

  • @markellison24
    @markellison24 Год назад +1

    Absolutely brilliant public speaker. I’m taking notes! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and expertise, Ben.

  • @nauxihzwol
    @nauxihzwol Год назад +1

    Hell of a presentation, both entertaining and educational!

  • @user-mw3jo7op9i
    @user-mw3jo7op9i Год назад

    The Eye of Judgement showed up and unlocked a childhood memory I had no idea was there. Thanks Benny boy.

  • @elpred0
    @elpred0 Год назад +1

    Installed it yesterday.. man, Brode, it is the heisenberg of virtual cardboard

  • @sachin_dsgns
    @sachin_dsgns Год назад

    Loving marvel snap since launch and what a guy.. could listen to him all day. great talk.

  • @user-of3rb1jv4l
    @user-of3rb1jv4l Год назад +2

    He has really good energy. Nice presentation 😊

  • @thisscreensucks
    @thisscreensucks Год назад +2

    Snap is an amazing game.
    Team at Second Dinner is top notch. Wonder what they'll make next.

  • @sabrinas4896
    @sabrinas4896 5 месяцев назад

    This man is amazing. He is the worthy successor of Richard Garfield's title as master of gamr design. My children (which ill never have because im a millennium) would say "just like ben brode intended" and i think thats pretty cool.
    Keep your awesomeness, ben
    1:00:33

  • @Matunahelper
    @Matunahelper Год назад +1

    excellent presentation!

  • @RglMrn
    @RglMrn 10 месяцев назад

    Amazing talk. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @MMaRsu
    @MMaRsu Год назад

    Wow very cool, thanks Ben for this in depth talk!

  • @DaveyDGaming
    @DaveyDGaming 8 месяцев назад

    Oh my gawd! I love this so much, I wanna work with these people so bad.

  • @TheQuentinSK8
    @TheQuentinSK8 Год назад

    Miss the Ben Hearthstone days, always enjoyed his presence and it's nice to see him again :)

  • @Algost_
    @Algost_ Год назад

    Very good talk, i work on a indie game wich mix Cards games and Dice building games (Dice Of Olympus) and it's was so refreshing to listen to him ! Thx Ben, hit me for a steam key haha

  • @Balistick51
    @Balistick51 Год назад +3

    The best and most fun CCG. A must try for everyone who enjoys card games! I played almost all other CCG’s but literally can’t stop playing this one. So addictive lol..

  • @BonsaiBeard
    @BonsaiBeard Год назад +4

    someone needs to sit ben down and let him know his son is a fluffy puppy. 5:48

  • @InterloperBob
    @InterloperBob Год назад +2

    Great to get an update from Ben Hearthstone

  • @anthonyfriscia9891
    @anthonyfriscia9891 Год назад

    So hooked on this. Excited for DC Dual Force coming soon as well.

  • @bonzwah1
    @bonzwah1 6 месяцев назад

    Never played marvel snap in my life, but i learned a lot in this talk. Loved it.

  • @nicolasdelbaer
    @nicolasdelbaer Год назад

    Awesome talk thanks!

  • @rudeboyspodcast
    @rudeboyspodcast Год назад +1

    Honestly a great game. I don't have much time to play games lately, and Snap is nice and quick.

  • @Enfant_Feu
    @Enfant_Feu Год назад

    These videos are so helpful as a futur game designer

  • @vortex1790
    @vortex1790 Год назад +3

    Awesome talk and i hope we see that 2v2! In game some day!

  • @dustinmorrison6315
    @dustinmorrison6315 Год назад +2

    24:20 Rick And Morty's most realistic video game asked why the street fighters were fighting.

  • @grizz8400
    @grizz8400 Год назад +3

    Love me some Ben Brode

  • @Hazzel31337
    @Hazzel31337 Год назад +1

    verry engaging talk

  • @AnthonyPollos
    @AnthonyPollos Год назад +6

    bed brode more like cool guy amiright

  • @ImSiggi
    @ImSiggi Год назад +1

    2v2 mode would be interesting

  • @FlakiCiociGosi
    @FlakiCiociGosi Месяц назад

    That guy has always BEeN such a BRO. DElightful.

  • @JustArry
    @JustArry Год назад

    This was soo cool!

  • @MattHorton
    @MattHorton Год назад +2

    They need to actually launch the casual queue

  • @8771franklin
    @8771franklin Год назад

    42:55 I wish we have the avatar like that

  • @d0ggy947
    @d0ggy947 Год назад +3

    Te quiero mucho ben brode

  • @alurma
    @alurma Год назад +1

    Thank you Ben

  • @batpixi_
    @batpixi_ Год назад +1

    This guy rocks. 😎👌

  • @Simos013
    @Simos013 Год назад +16

    How I Got My Mom to Play Through Plants vs. Zombies
    ruclips.net/video/fbzhHSexzpY/видео.html
    Richard Garfield - "Luck in Games" talk at ITU Copenhagen
    ruclips.net/video/av5Hf7uOu-o/видео.html

    • @punkypenguin38
      @punkypenguin38 Год назад +3

      This comment should be SO MUCH HIGHER thanks for the links!

  • @leiminaze
    @leiminaze Год назад

    Great talk! I wonder how hard some design decisions were. Like the fact they simplified some cards to prevent the user from needing to target cards. Seems like a somewhat big decision, removing choice from the player, adding randomness, "just" for easier interactions. The way he talks about it, the choice to go that way seemed kinda obvious, but I wonder if in reality it was a tough choice or not, with backpedal from the team and all.

  • @dryjhna
    @dryjhna Год назад

    Ben talking about change management somehow comforts me in my daily work.

  • @wavesofbabies
    @wavesofbabies Год назад

    "Mostly known for having a weird laugh"
    A *delightful* laugh, Ben. One that brings people joy to hear it.

  • @maskedswan85
    @maskedswan85 Год назад +1

    one hour of ben talking, sign me up!

  • @DavidBergeron87
    @DavidBergeron87 7 месяцев назад

    Awesome presentation. Ben Brode makes the best games. What I don't like about locations is that they are slightly too powerful and can make you lose the game instantly with RNG. I think that was the downfall of hearthstone: RNG. And I think it started with the card called Yogg, the most RNG card I ever seen. Reynad and Lifecoach, 2 of my favourite streamers, both quit Hearthstone because of RNG. Reynad is actually creating his own game now called Bazaar which be more skill and less luck. 53:10 The card is talking about is 'Shadow Madness' but ya that is a problem, text is not perfectly clear such as "After turn 3, transform all cards here into the Hulk." which my opponents and I didn't know that for every card there, it would create an additional Hulk, so you have to lose a game to find out which is not really cool mechanic.

  • @gdmrhotshot3731
    @gdmrhotshot3731 Год назад

    This shows that Ben brode came up with some really good ideas and have good reasons behind them, the bots idea was pretty cool, where one person wins but there’s nobody on the other side to feel the loss

  • @siegejay6364
    @siegejay6364 Год назад +8

    2:01 I love the analogy of using the same ingredients but making a different product base on how differently you implement them.

  • @quantumsno
    @quantumsno Год назад +4

    Thank you for this talk!

  • @SolPlaysAnime
    @SolPlaysAnime Год назад +4

    Does anyone know what “fatui” is please? 55:11

    • @loopingmoon1444
      @loopingmoon1444 Год назад +4

      So she meant FTUE which stands for "first time user experience"

    • @SolPlaysAnime
      @SolPlaysAnime Год назад

      @@loopingmoon1444 thanks a bunch for this, I've been looking everywhere for an explanation.

    • @loopingmoon1444
      @loopingmoon1444 Год назад

      @@SolPlaysAnime no worries, glad it helped you

  • @ronharris144
    @ronharris144 9 месяцев назад

    Oh and I am soooo glad you went w the graffics we see

  • @christopherlangmuir3133
    @christopherlangmuir3133 Год назад

    Such a good talk.

  • @pheckeht
    @pheckeht 6 месяцев назад +1

    You didn't lose!
    You escaped, you're a genius!
    😂😂

  • @thanatosdriver1938
    @thanatosdriver1938 Год назад +3

    I probably would never have downloaded a game called marvel groot

  • @havcola6983
    @havcola6983 Год назад +3

    I'm honestly very torn about this game.
    I like the base game (what little there is of it) but absolutely _hate_ the manipulative progression that's built into it. And just how much of it and how blatant it is. Every design decision is made to make sure you come back _tomorrow_ or maybe _later today_ and you'd better hurry because the season is almost over and if you decided to buy in to accelerate the rate of unlocks then that only lasts until the end of the season! Add to that that the rate of rewards decreases as you go and hey, btw: We're using the same progression for card unlocks that we use for cosmetics and it's all random just to further cement the skinner box feedback loop to keep you _grinding_ endlessly.
    Now, that's just what freemium is like, but it really does feel like it goes beyond regular monetization to the point that the game itself seems to be apropos to getting you hooked with random rewards, three different currencies, randomized upgrading, randomized collcting, season progression, player rankings and fomo-inducing limited-time offers.
    It's a decent game, but it's a _weapon's grade_ narcotic. It feels like something that belongs in a casino.

    • @reggieisnotadog4841
      @reggieisnotadog4841 10 месяцев назад

      Yeah there is a lot of 'addiction psychology' edge to the monetisation, more so than most freemium games I'd say.
      For example you get a chance at a random card every ten levels. but are guaranteed one of three special cards or a skin every hundred level.
      The special cards change every week, and only two of the cards will be good. So if you get the shit card or the skin, it pressures you to grind another hundred levels before they change the cards.

  • @michaelturner2806
    @michaelturner2806 3 месяца назад

    I could normally listen to Ben Brode talk all day but my throat hurts on his behalf. I wish he could've had some honey tea for a few days and tried this again after.

  • @F2PAlius
    @F2PAlius Год назад +2

    The Brode is on the Road

  • @junitsu00
    @junitsu00 Год назад +1

    I always thought the SNAP was the sound as you would play a physical card game.

  • @KraylebStudios
    @KraylebStudios Год назад +4

    I'm so glad he mentioned Plants vs. Zombies several times, since it's my favourite game franchise of all time. I really loved watching this as someone trying to make a game

  • @misomiso8228
    @misomiso8228 Год назад +1

    Ben Brode!

  • @XalronsGacha
    @XalronsGacha Год назад +1

    Legend

  • @retLAWMAD
    @retLAWMAD Год назад +1

    36:47 add 2v2 pls ben. find a way u mad genius

  • @Kormatormagg
    @Kormatormagg Год назад

    Ben brode is the reason I’m still on the game.

  • @thanatosdriver1938
    @thanatosdriver1938 Год назад

    44:10 I have never seen the nexus events. But does that bottom grey corner not look alarmingly like the token shop system

  • @thanatosdriver1938
    @thanatosdriver1938 Год назад

    Was not expecting to see urban rivals here and oooooooh I’m happy

  • @cwill926
    @cwill926 Год назад

    When Ben mentioned Eliminate on iOS that brought back memories 😢

  • @raf_underscore
    @raf_underscore 2 месяца назад

    what are some card game design papers to read?

  • @Robuck07
    @Robuck07 Год назад

    i dont like the game that much but i love the way they made it and its uniqueness

  • @petanistardew
    @petanistardew Год назад

    their collecting system so unique. Instead of selling the base card, their selling the artwork (except for the season pass card in that season, but this only time exclusive). This system made the F2P players can compete.

    • @vulcanmemes9770
      @vulcanmemes9770 Год назад +1

      its the opposite. F2P players will wait months for a card they want.

    • @doctorsilva1345
      @doctorsilva1345 Год назад

      F2p players can't really compete. The best cards are either in the season pass or stuck in tier 5 or 4. I hate that when I am playing vs players with broken decks and know what they are going to do but don't have a counter for it. Dracula is one of my most hated cards in the game since he has no counter, this isn't fair.

  • @misomiso8228
    @misomiso8228 Год назад

    What is the poetry term he talks about - 'Trocky'? Where you put the emphasis on the first sylabylle?

    • @hb9584
      @hb9584 Год назад +1

      Trochee

  • @edstructor666
    @edstructor666 Год назад +6

    I love how the negative points are basicaly yu gi oh