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I was wondering if you’ll come back to this series, glad you did, and great recap. I think it’s obvious that Myrtle is also from the future….same actress and understanding Mary’s sirens. Not sure why the same actress playing Harriet is used in the future, unless there is a time loop or perhaps making sure audiences know it was the Nevers season finale we were watching. I think Massen and/or Bidlow could also be from future and freelife
This reveal really works. Molly did mention it’s not her face but confirming she’s from the future explains her advanced fighting skills, sexual liberation, foul mouth, and no problem with embracing Dr Horatio as a lover. Well done
so the first season is actually 10 episodes…we only got 6 because of the pandemic, instead of waiting longer to release the entire season they decided to release the episode they had ready, they are still filming and producing the final four episodes of season 1 and it is said we will get the last four episodes by later this year
In March 2021 they actually announced they had increased the number of episodes in the second half of season 1 to 6 episodes. And they have not yet filmed a single thing for the second half, as of interviews with Laura Donnelly released with episode 6's airing.
Originally The Nevers was expected to be a ten-episode season, however, the pandemic got in the way. The decision was made to extend The Nevers' first season to 12 episodes, but to split the series into two halves, six episodes each.
Per Nick Frost "The Nevers began shooting in October 2019, but was put on hold due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. Production picked up again about a month ago, Frost revealed, and they managed to wrap the 10-episode season. But Frost is unsure when the Whedon-directed series will be released. “I don’t know how HBO are gonna drop it. I think COVID might have split a big season of 10 into two of five, but that literally changes all the time, so I don’t know.” But despite the uncertain release date, Frost said The Nevers would be worth the wait"
I have to guess they've already got the last 6 episodes in the can. While TV and film production has slowed because of the CV restrictions, it hasn't stopped it. Several crews have the entire film crew in isolation while they're shooting. Others shoot around not being able to have more than 6 people on set by using green screen and lots of close ups. Others film in state's or country's that didn't do lockdowns.
I would like to stop for a second and just spend some time appreciating the actors and the high quality of acting they put forward, from the accents, to the action scenes and the exposition, i think the actresses outdid themselves, even a parallel can be drawn between Amalia True and Vanessa Ives from Penny dreadful, the pain and suffering that each of them go through is almost palpable and it leaves you thinking about them far after your have finished the episode. I think that many ppl may have missed the fact, that this was an almost female lead cast, casting strong, intelligent and able women who were still being condemned by a society of men for just being female in a victorian era. My hope for this series, is that barring the controversy of Joss Whedon, which sadly takes away from the hard work that everyone else put into this brilliant series, is that the actressess are acknowledged for the difficult and flamboyant roles they played (Maladie would make the perfect 19th century Joker mind you, and Amalia the perfect Batwomanesque heroin character) and the series acts as a springboard for them to be cast in other tv series, roles and movies, I think the actresses are very deserving of more appreciation and the all the sacrifices they made during this series (considering the extratraneous factors like the incredible action scenes and the added problems of the pandemic). Lets not allow the controversies to dampen the acting that brought these characters to life for out entertatinment.
Totally agree! Loved the cast (including the characters from the future we met in the last episode), especially the main female characters. They all did fabulous work and I hope they get rewarded with a renewal of the show.
I'm a bit suspicious of Lavinia Bidlow. She created a home for the touched which pulls them all together and wants to destroy the Galanthi. I could see her being the Freelife guy from the future. I'm also a bit worried that Hugo Swan is doing a lot to recruit touched, but he seems less likely.
Same. I posted a similar theory about Livinia. I think Hugo is just a tool, really. He's a profiteer not really a "bad" guy. Immoral, maybe, but not an enemy.
Me too! I also think exaclty that. But then it's also true that at the moment when the spores fall she is alive (assuming that a soul hitching a ride would need an "empty" body such as Molly's). And also, where would he have the time to adjust to being an aristocratic englishwoman in a wheelchair?
@Clements. When Lavinia was having lunch with her brother she started yelling and then started feeling headaches which wasn't ordinary. She was probably 'touched' somehow.
the show just got better with each episode, really insane production values and some very amazing set pieces... amalia's jumping down a deep stairwell and using her red dress to slow her fall, that crazy 1v1 with the big guy on the water, all the fun powers, and the solid dialogue... i really think only ep1 felt weirdly paced, mainly cos it jumped straight into things and was a bit jarring to follow. the victorian costumes were extremely well-done and penance's steampunk gadgets somehow really fit in awesomely. amalia and maladie were very compelling characters, and most of the supporting cast were very interesting too. sad to hear it will take two whole years to continue, but i hope it will be worth the wait.
When you go to watch a tv show and it takes 20 minutes to realise its not the wrong show - i think that made up for the slower pacing like in earlier episodes. Really enjoyed it! Also needed that little extra 15 mins segment HBO gave us with interviews at the end. And realised just now I really needed a heavy spoiler review & explanation. So after watching you all through the pandemic I`ve finally subscribed! TBH I thought i already was subscribed as i watch you all the time through the marvel films & now tv shows, I`m in the UK too & thats some fast reaction turnaround time video. You must be knackered. Greetings from Whitby North Yorkshire.
In March HBO reported that season one was extended from 10 to 12 episodes and that it would be presented in 2 parts, six episodes each. So we’re still in season one. The twist was just following what used to be called in yesteryear the “mid season twist”
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@@heavyspoilers yea man. I love seeing channels take off. Collin from Collin Abraodcast has been a friend and fellow youtuber since 3000 subs and he is at 1.5 million today. It’s so cool.
I didn't find the episodes hit or miss, I thoroughly enjoyed them all. This last episode opened a whole new world and I like the hard science fiction twist. Hopefully they don't screw it up in future episodes, having a first-time show runner take over may not be the best move. It's a shame Joss didn't stay to see it through.
I thought for sure HBO had made an error when I started the episode, and that I was watching something else entirely. and I also had to watch at least the first 20 minutes twice. but what a ride!
I really dig this show. It's definitely not perfect, but it really built an intriguing world and cast of characters, so I'm excited to see where it heads.
10:36 - why does no one get what the airship is? It’s what Penance had stashed in the back of her wagon to get away in after rescuing Maladie. She tells the driver not to pull the lever to open the back and release it, but the lever drops on its own after they all run away. You can see the blue fabric as the hatch opens.
it started slow, albeit pleasantly for me, slow, but now the real show begins... hope they get the chance people have no patience for slow shows these days
I thought this was the mid-season finale -- the first season was supposed to have 12 episodes and this is the halfway mark. Not sure if the other episodes are in production yet or not. But... waiting until 2023 for many of the dangling plot threads, for the unclear direction to take shape is... well, that's a lot to ask of an audience. I hope it does get a chance to have a full season at some point, hopefully sooner than 2023.
they are going to start filming the next 6 episodes of Season 1 next month , so the episodes should be ready in fall or by January 2022. There were additional rumors The Nevers was renewed for a second season so its likely that second season will premiere in 2023.
I don't understand why so many people and especially reviewers were annoyed by the build-up of questions in the first 5 episodes. The most common critique I have heard has been that the show creates more questions than answers (which luckily for those people and reviewers were answered to great extent in the 6th episode). Am I really one of the few people who are actually okay with being left wondering? I can't relate to this need to have the questions answered immediately. I see life as a mystery and i'm okay with not having all the answers and that's why I can easily accept that in a TV show. I've been greatly enjoying this show from the very first scene till this last episode. Anyways, as for who else might have ditched a ride from the future, I suspect Lavinia Bidlow instead of Dr. Hague (but he might be a time traveler too, in fact). She is the one who insists on killing the Galanthi which is reminiscent of the Free Life agenda.
It’s the world we live in. Everyone has to be able to “get it” quickly to feel apart of the masses, ie, discussions at work, posting comments about the show on social media etc. Once people scroll to see the comments, they then respond to the popular opinion and agreeing with it. This show would have been on top if it was produced in the era where science fiction translated and dominated broadcast TV, mainly the big 4. The Star Wars movies started all of the big franchises like X-men, Avengers, etc. With today’s technology superhero and in this case, science fiction, is better portrayed in movies. Most movies are less than 2 hours, and premium shows like this, are usually 1 hour. People still need to know EVERYTHING ASAP. HTGAWM was a phenomenal show, I loved it, many others did as well. The main complaints of the show was them showing murders first, and intermittently reminded and fast forwarding the time line at any given moment. It was brilliant. However people said it was hard to follow. The fact of the show implying “mystery” in the title by mentioning murder which we all know is the king pin of “whodunnit” people still needed to know immediately. It’s to the point where I can’t pay attention to any type of media when I’m watching a show I like, especially all of the off camera drama being aired about these shows. There are spoiler videos on RUclips that make money by telling the entire order of eliminations of game shows like RPDR before the season even airs. Those videos have the most hits. I haven’t watched a finale in years including the international versions for that reason. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I love the mystery. I will say I love this show but the beginning of this episode threw me off. I was really looking forward to the immediate aftermath of last weeks. It did throw me off and I had to pause to see if it was my HBO Max app yet again glitching like it has done since I started episode 1 last week. I had to quickly skim online to see that I wasn’t crazy. So I pressed on. I’m so glad that I did. It was wonderful as usual. As for the other Galanthe. Zephyr said there were 3, and 2 died. She didn’t even know she was “dead” in somebody else’s body at first, so the other 2 could be alive. That Italian woman they keep showing has to be the 2nd. She was in the light of the bubble when they showed the crack. So now it makes sense for her to be there. I’m thinking Maladie is the third. She says friends keep secrets. Lavinia is probably the Free faction. That one stripe guy turned on them quick and Lavinia has been turning on them this entire time. Zephyr killed him when he thought he had overpowered her. Amalia called out Lucy and was going to do the same rightfully had it not been for Penance. Lavinia is about to get the same treatment only worse now that they have all reunited. She said a battle is coming, and it definitely is.
I’ve been watching your stuff for some time now for Loki and other Disney+ shows. I just finished this season and typed this in for a better understanding and was ECSTATIC to see you cover this show too! You’re awesome man.
After seeing how established reviewers/critics fumble their way around the show's narrative ("established" as in a few of them have been around even before the Internet), I'm glad I came across your clear and concise take on "The Nevers".
“Stripe” appears to be a kind of soldier. It’s not that character’s name. Names are sacred in the future, at least to the Planetary Defense Coalition, which is why the Stripe didn’t tell her two ex-husbands her name and was unwilling to reveal it in the episode until the very end, when she told Penance her true name, Zephyr Alexis Navine.
The Future Folk use job titles as names. Stripe, as in a soldier’s rank insignia. Knitter the medic, as in mending. Bynar, from binary, the computer/tech guy, and the two Boots, either from the slang for new recruit, or from foot soldier.
@@CantankerousDave Exactly. This is how the world is now except people don’t verbally call you the name or a name/title but their actions clearly express it.
I'm really enjoying this and can't wait for the last 4 episodes. I think it's being unfairly reviewed by a lot of critics purely cause of the whole Joss Whedon fiasco. I keep reading that it has too much going on and doesn't know what it wants to be as a show, I don't agree at all. There is a lot going on here and it's peppered with moments that make you go "ooooooh right!" when you get to episode six, why is that a bad thing? A lot of dots connect and you get a real sense of where the show is heading. I swear people nowadays just want everything straight away and can't appreciate a bit of world building, like, give it some time ffs.
Those last 2 episodes the show definitely came into it's own and has me so excited for what's next!! Still confused about the significance of Mary's song though!
I have a wild theory that it’s Penance that is the other person sent back. And she’s the one building those robot creatures. (I was a bit confused about whether Knitter and the woman that can change anything into glass were the same actress/character or not). Really enjoyed this show. Shame that it won’t get the promotion it deserves due to Whedon’s problems, but I’m glad that we are getting another 6 episodes at least as I was really worried it was about to end at ep 6.
They we’re definitely the same actor, I’m just unsure why they would make a character with so little significance the same face as someone who had a lot of significance in the future
Now it makes sense why True exclaimed in an earlier episode "Penance has officially made the first amplifier !" and then Penance was like "I will call it a brightener, and it well...it...it amplifies sound." I was thinking how can True use vocabulary from the future??? Now it all makes sense.
I absolutely love this show. I can't wait for it to return. I love the different angles and complexity of the storyline. The jump to the future was a complete twist that was wonderfully done and did help to explain what's going on, all while further complicating the story in the best way. Perhaps what I'm waiting on more than anything is to see what happens with Penance and Amalia. There is definitely chemistry there, there's definitely more than friendship there and I totally SHIP these two HARD!!! :D Super excited for season 1B.
I had to pause 15 minutes into the show to make sure we were watching The Nevers. For me it was an unexpected origin story for Amalia and you are right, this episode was head-and-shoulders above the rest. I felt like, okay, now we're cooking with gas and now the show can begin! But of course, it was the last episode. It definitely has the potential to get better from here. Thanks for your breakdown!
I think the reason why the spores gave mutant powers to the Victorian era Touched, is because the Galanthi portal technology was not in "temporal-sync" with that era. And that's because the captured Galanthi could not "sync" the tech before hand. It was trapped in that glass cage. The Galanthi was only able to activate the portal technology quickly enough to escape (and take Zeffa with her). Yes I believe that Galanthi is a female. Remember that Zeffa (the future Amalie, from the past - OMG "mind f#@%") mentioned something about "sims" and being out of "temporal sync" - as in simulations and mental/physical synchronization. These "sims" are probably used for training or understanding the Galanthi. And these simulations need to be in some type of "temporal sync." But since the portal tech was activated to quickly escape, the spores that the Galanthi spaceship released caused different effects on the Victorian era folks. Most likely because their Victorian minds and reality were totally different from that of the future humans (from Zeffa's time). So rather than being only empathetically bound to the Galanthi, they are instead mutated with powers and an empathy they can't fully understand yet. And since Zeffa was dead (or close to death), she had no idea what happened, or any idea of a mission. She basically only had limited memories of the totality of the events that happened during the Galanthi "time portal" escape.
I am looking forward to the second season, thanks for your recap Paul! But I do want to know why it is called The Nevers? Oh it was nice to see Claudia Black from Farscape!
The first commenter is correct. The title does lead you to believe that the “Nevers” are a faction they use to describe themselves and more importantly the rest of the world does as well. Them being the “Touched” would have been a great title but also to obvious and the director isn’t going for too obvious which is great. The fact of this being the case in most stories in tv and movies nowadays makes it more plausible. I read the same explanation and the idea was brilliant. In society today, terms used to differentiate or identify a group can be an extremely touchy subject, despite people only verbally avoiding the term all the while displaying the very same behavior in any way shape or form, just enough as to not get “caught” discriminating. Lavinia like most rich people only do charity to put themselves above everybody, get recognition, and most importantly keeping those needing the charity from ever getting to close or rise up so they won’t need the charity. There can never be a rich without the poor, and we know it’s extremely possible for the poor to exist without the rich, any third world country or impoverished US State is living proof of that. Mississippi and Alabama border 2 of the largest states by area, population, and wealth yet they are the poorest. West Virginia and Delaware border the MD, VA and DC areas and yet they are still impoverished having not even close to what there neighbors have. QE reigns over 18 realms, as a monarch supposedly not having power when we know it’s BS, and look at Jamaica, which won its independence from her in 1962, and yet still she reigns and it’s an island heavily impoverished changing very little since she took the reigns back in the 1950s. Tourism is the only thing keeping it afloat and that’s barely especially now with this pandemic. We go to these remote areas and do documentaries and see in some places everybody is poor, give a little bit of money, then comeback to sell the footage for fame and profit. Yes some are legit but we know others aren’t.
In the future, Galanthi spores do *not* seem to have made anybody noticeably advanced, superpowered, knowledgable, or anything strikingly different. We meet a “Spore” who was touched by those lights but seems pretty darn normal, and she hasn’t been assigned to work with the Galanthi or their tech even though you might think that someone enhanced to do that would be using those skills. Then, in 1896, Amalia/Stripe is shocked by the special powers the Touched get, because nothing like that happens when she’s from.
Nevers is great. The behind in scenes stuff went away for after watching the first show. It does need more episodes for the future seasons, 8 to 10 would fit the show. And the acting was really good. I would give it a 8.5 out of 10. Good Start.
It's only the first half of the season. They had to stop production because of COVID so it altered the plans for the show. It actually expanded from 10 to 12 episodes.
I don't understand the negative reviews I've read about this episode. It's been clear from the beginning that sort of sci-fi element was gonna be introduced. I thought this "ending" was fascinating
For some reason seeing Myrtle all glam and done up like the space-aristocratic narrator to the prologue of Dune or something (and speaking intelligibly) kind of took my breath away for a moment or two as I realized who it was. I'm not convinced it necessarily means anything yet but something about it was really striking.
I had to double check I was watching the Nevers as I didn't expect the beginning being in the future. Thanks for your break downs of this series. I definitely would watch a second season.
Really enjoy all your breakdowns, and really appreciate your coverage of The Nevers. After almost losing patience, Episode 6 makes me want to rewatch the previous 5. (Ep. 10 will reveal it was Lavinia All Along, btw.) Cheers!
Here me out! The unknown person from the future could be lord Massens daughter. Maybe why he keeps her locked up and hates the touched so much for taking away his little girl?
@@freedom_born Theres others from the future there too. I think Tolu is on to something. We get the shot of his daughter being hit by the spore and collaping, There was an intent to show that, which would lead the viewer to suspect it has significance.
@@lash2ash thank you plus the person behind the door in Massens basement. The door the workman found but was advised not to go near by the housekeeper. I think that’s another clue.
@lash2ash. What others from the future ??! Who ?? She only told (Maladie/Sarah), the doc Horatio & Penance that she was from the future - that was it... and the daughter being struck was only significant to show how Massen despises the touched. They showed her grave FFS.
Although I do however have come to a thinking that Tolu maybe onto something with the basement thing. We know the other lord sent his daughter to Austria(?) because of "lumbago" - she was probably touched too. Sorry to jump the gun Fagbayi. You might be right
I think 'Stripe' was not her name, but rather a title. Kind of like calling someone: 'Medic'. There seemed to be some taboo about knowing someone's true name, so everyone called each other by their title.
I've really appreciated this new heroes series since the first episode. I'm looking forward to the second season asap. I like the concept of old London, with powers and the future
I have enjoyed the show and thanks for your insights. It seems to me that this is a Joss type of show, so 2023 is a long way off. The finale left a way open, yet concluded satisfactorily, at least for me.
I love this show. Didn't start watching till episode 4 but caught them being reshown. I've watched 6 about 4 times and everytime I watch it again I understand things better. Can't wait till the second half airs.
The Nevers, like most of Joss Whedon's series, was amazing. I loved it ~ and so did everyone I know who watched it. I don’t understand why HBO cancelled it. And yes, episode 6 blew my mind!
Sometimes the jokes aren't good - SOMETIMES??? Seriously, though, I've enjoyed the slow pacing and hints of the greater mystery. I love the main characters and the setup. Looking forward to part 2 of season 1, which I understand is filming now.
Hey Paul, thanks for the video! I was a bit thrown off during the first part of the last episode. I looooved every episode though! I think this show is great! I definitely hope they can get S2 out before 2023, as I'll totally forget about it by then, but either way it's great!
Right, but the first chapter of the episode was "Stripe", so it was an identifier. It was only at the very end does she share her real name with Penance.
Names were sacred and left unspoken. Stripe had 2 husbands who never knew her name. The character of Knitter was going to speak her name at the moment of her death. Amalia reveals her year 2121 name to Penance much later. A "stripe" is a low-ranking soldier.
I really hope show continues to be good, but I expect its gonna fall apart. Its completely covered in Joss fingerprints, so I can't expect them to follow through and replace him fully. But this answer is matter of time, so for now, gonna just hope
Great review of a great episode. I think Stripe was more of a rank than a name. There's something going on with the names as they made a point that names were sacred and not to be revealed. I guess Stripe's / Amelia's accent was Canadian as she said she was from southwest Canada unless boundaries have shifted in the future.
The thing about Hague is, he is really good at the mad sciencing. He creates androids way beyond today’s tech much less Victorian abilities, and seem oddly confident that he can analyze Touch-ed-ness by looking at brains. My guess is, he is Touched too, with his inherent brain surgeries boosted to magical levels. Obviously being America is a real handicap in Victorian London or...l ok, I don’t know how he qualifies as downtrodden. Maybe his body also died (voluntarily or not) and also left an empty vessel for a future personality like Mrs. True.
the flash to the dystopian future is a call back to Joss's other show Dollhouse, whose finale did something similar. The kickass short petite woman is of course a Joss trademark as seen in Buffy, Firefly and Dollhouse. Penance is another Joss tradition of having the sidekick be an awkward earnest nerdy information/tech support best friend, again in Buffy and Dollhouse. Did not guess that Stripe was True until 5 mins in, where I guessed Stripe was True who aged over hundred years for fighting since the events of the previous episode and eventually dying, before being proven wrong in that it was Stripe's soul travelling back in time instead into Molly's body.
Remembers me Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse", it was the same, last episode could have been a totally different show with a war going on and different characters never shown before.
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Can you make Superman and Lois pls
Are you going to breakdown MODOK on hulu?
btw, wikipedia says it's 12eps split into 2 half-seasons... so it's really more of a mid-season finale.
I was wondering if you’ll come back to this series, glad you did, and great recap. I think it’s obvious that Myrtle is also from the future….same actress and understanding Mary’s sirens. Not sure why the same actress playing Harriet is used in the future, unless there is a time loop or perhaps making sure audiences know it was the Nevers season finale we were watching. I think Massen and/or Bidlow could also be from future and freelife
i think dr. hague is the major from the free life army. just a thought.
That end was so unexpected. The opening made me think that something was wrong with my HBO Max and it was playing some random movie by mistake.
Lol, same!
Same 😂
Same here - though overall the show was entertaining if not spectacular.
Yes! I did a restart! 😂
I checked thrice 😂😂😂I was searching for the characters .
This reveal really works. Molly did mention it’s not her face but confirming she’s from the future explains her advanced fighting skills, sexual liberation, foul mouth, and no problem with embracing Dr Horatio as a lover. Well done
so the first season is actually 10 episodes…we only got 6 because of the pandemic, instead of waiting longer to release the entire season they decided to release the episode they had ready, they are still filming and producing the final four episodes of season 1 and it is said we will get the last four episodes by later this year
In March 2021 they actually announced they had increased the number of episodes in the second half of season 1 to 6 episodes. And they have not yet filmed a single thing for the second half, as of interviews with Laura Donnelly released with episode 6's airing.
6 episode 2nd half starts filming next month I believe.
Originally The Nevers was expected to be a ten-episode season, however, the pandemic got in the way. The decision was made to extend The Nevers' first season to 12 episodes, but to split the series into two halves, six episodes each.
@@MichaelLaFrance1 thanks for the info!!
Per Nick Frost "The Nevers began shooting in October 2019, but was put on hold due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. Production picked up again about a month ago, Frost revealed, and they managed to wrap the 10-episode season. But Frost is unsure when the Whedon-directed series will be released. “I don’t know how HBO are gonna drop it. I think COVID might have split a big season of 10 into two of five, but that literally changes all the time, so I don’t know.” But despite the uncertain release date, Frost said The Nevers would be worth the wait"
Good ending! It sad that the production didn’t have time to finish the 2nd part of season 1 cause we need more answers!
I have to guess they've already got the last 6 episodes in the can. While TV and film production has slowed because of the CV restrictions, it hasn't stopped it. Several crews have the entire film crew in isolation while they're shooting. Others shoot around not being able to have more than 6 people on set by using green screen and lots of close ups. Others film in state's or country's that didn't do lockdowns.
So they’re not doing the 2nd part?
Just ask yourself what is the most woke possibility, and that is your answer. A liberal morality show will never really surprise you.
@@isisjoelyndejesus4269 They are, it's still in production so we won't get those episodes until they are all ready to go week after week
I stumbled onto the show..damn glad I did ! I liked it very much an truly hope they come back...fragging prototypes! Lol was a awesome show
I'm officially obsessed with this show. The first 5 episodes got me really interested, but now I feel like this just blew the doors off of them!
You are not alone. The first 5 episodes were alright, but the 6th turned me into a "drug addict" - I need to see MORE episodes now!
I would like to stop for a second and just spend some time appreciating the actors and the high quality of acting they put forward, from the accents, to the action scenes and the exposition, i think the actresses outdid themselves, even a parallel can be drawn between Amalia True and Vanessa Ives from Penny dreadful, the pain and suffering that each of them go through is almost palpable and it leaves you thinking about them far after your have finished the episode. I think that many ppl may have missed the fact, that this was an almost female lead cast, casting strong, intelligent and able women who were still being condemned by a society of men for just being female in a victorian era. My hope for this series, is that barring the controversy of Joss Whedon, which sadly takes away from the hard work that everyone else put into this brilliant series, is that the actressess are acknowledged for the difficult and flamboyant roles they played (Maladie would make the perfect 19th century Joker mind you, and Amalia the perfect Batwomanesque heroin character) and the series acts as a springboard for them to be cast in other tv series, roles and movies, I think the actresses are very deserving of more appreciation and the all the sacrifices they made during this series (considering the extratraneous factors like the incredible action scenes and the added problems of the pandemic). Lets not allow the controversies to dampen the acting that brought these characters to life for out entertatinment.
Totally agree! Loved the cast (including the characters from the future we met in the last episode), especially the main female characters. They all did fabulous work and I hope they get rewarded with a renewal of the show.
Well said!!
Couldn't agree with you more!!
Amalia reminded me so much of Vanessa Ives too. Glad I wasn't the only one that felt the similarities.
@@TheBlueClover2012 and me.
Claudia Black did a FANTASTIC job in the finale of Nevers!👏🏻
I'm a bit suspicious of Lavinia Bidlow. She created a home for the touched which pulls them all together and wants to destroy the Galanthi. I could see her being the Freelife guy from the future. I'm also a bit worried that Hugo Swan is doing a lot to recruit touched, but he seems less likely.
Same. I posted a similar theory about Livinia.
I think Hugo is just a tool, really. He's a profiteer not really a "bad" guy. Immoral, maybe, but not an enemy.
Me too! I also think exaclty that. But then it's also true that at the moment when the spores fall she is alive (assuming that a soul hitching a ride would need an "empty" body such as Molly's). And also, where would he have the time to adjust to being an aristocratic englishwoman in a wheelchair?
@@RobyM89 Haha those are great points! Hmm the only other person we saw die was the little girl which was never explained.
I also suspect her....when she was in the basement there was at least one moment when she did not hide her eyes
@Clements. When Lavinia was having lunch with her brother she started yelling and then started feeling headaches which wasn't ordinary. She was probably 'touched' somehow.
the show just got better with each episode, really insane production values and some very amazing set pieces... amalia's jumping down a deep stairwell and using her red dress to slow her fall, that crazy 1v1 with the big guy on the water, all the fun powers, and the solid dialogue...
i really think only ep1 felt weirdly paced, mainly cos it jumped straight into things and was a bit jarring to follow. the victorian costumes were extremely well-done and penance's steampunk gadgets somehow really fit in awesomely. amalia and maladie were very compelling characters, and most of the supporting cast were very interesting too.
sad to hear it will take two whole years to continue, but i hope it will be worth the wait.
When you go to watch a tv show and it takes 20 minutes to realise its not the wrong show - i think that made up for the slower pacing like in earlier episodes. Really enjoyed it! Also needed that little extra 15 mins segment HBO gave us with interviews at the end. And realised just now I really needed a heavy spoiler review & explanation. So after watching you all through the pandemic I`ve finally subscribed! TBH I thought i already was subscribed as i watch you all the time through the marvel films & now tv shows, I`m in the UK too & thats some fast reaction turnaround time video. You must be knackered. Greetings from Whitby North Yorkshire.
Stripe says 'No matter how many times we do this, it always ends the same'
I suspect a True time loop 🙃
In March HBO reported that season one was extended from 10 to 12 episodes and that it would be presented in 2 parts, six episodes each. So we’re still in season one. The twist was just following what used to be called in yesteryear the “mid season twist”
You’re a busy boy paul! Way to put in the effort. RUclips rewards consistency and quality and hard work… you got all goin for ya. After your invincible series I read the whole comic book series…. Man! What a great read. Thanks for inspiring me.
Ah thank you and I’m glad you liked it
@@heavyspoilers yea man. I love seeing channels take off. Collin from Collin Abraodcast has been a friend and fellow youtuber since 3000 subs and he is at 1.5 million today. It’s so cool.
Ah thank you man, yeah I know you have supported the channel for a while now, really means a lot mate and I’m happy to do the same
I didn't find the episodes hit or miss, I thoroughly enjoyed them all. This last episode opened a whole new world and I like the hard science fiction twist. Hopefully they don't screw it up in future episodes, having a first-time show runner take over may not be the best move. It's a shame Joss didn't stay to see it through.
I thought for sure HBO had made an error when I started the episode, and that I was watching something else entirely. and I also had to watch at least the first 20 minutes twice. but what a ride!
I really dig this show. It's definitely not perfect, but it really built an intriguing world and cast of characters, so I'm excited to see where it heads.
10:36 - why does no one get what the airship is? It’s what Penance had stashed in the back of her wagon to get away in after rescuing Maladie. She tells the driver not to pull the lever to open the back and release it, but the lever drops on its own after they all run away. You can see the blue fabric as the hatch opens.
The opening was crazy. And the sounds were deep
it started slow, albeit pleasantly for me, slow, but now the real show begins... hope they get the chance people have no patience for slow shows these days
You enunciate the words so clearly and precisely. As a non-native English speaker, I appreciate that.
Thank you
I thought this was the mid-season finale -- the first season was supposed to have 12 episodes and this is the halfway mark. Not sure if the other episodes are in production yet or not. But... waiting until 2023 for many of the dangling plot threads, for the unclear direction to take shape is... well, that's a lot to ask of an audience. I hope it does get a chance to have a full season at some point, hopefully sooner than 2023.
they are going to start filming the next 6 episodes of Season 1 next month , so the episodes should be ready in fall or by January 2022. There were additional rumors The Nevers was renewed for a second season so its likely that second season will premiere in 2023.
They are now on tubi if you want to finish it.
I don't understand why so many people and especially reviewers were annoyed by the build-up of questions in the first 5 episodes. The most common critique I have heard has been that the show creates more questions than answers (which luckily for those people and reviewers were answered to great extent in the 6th episode). Am I really one of the few people who are actually okay with being left wondering? I can't relate to this need to have the questions answered immediately. I see life as a mystery and i'm okay with not having all the answers and that's why I can easily accept that in a TV show. I've been greatly enjoying this show from the very first scene till this last episode.
Anyways, as for who else might have ditched a ride from the future, I suspect Lavinia Bidlow instead of Dr. Hague (but he might be a time traveler too, in fact). She is the one who insists on killing the Galanthi which is reminiscent of the Free Life agenda.
It’s the world we live in. Everyone has to be able to “get it” quickly to feel apart of the masses, ie, discussions at work, posting comments about the show on social media etc. Once people scroll to see the comments, they then respond to the popular opinion and agreeing with it. This show would have been on top if it was produced in the era where science fiction translated and dominated broadcast TV, mainly the big 4. The Star Wars movies started all of the big franchises like X-men, Avengers, etc. With today’s technology superhero and in this case, science fiction, is better portrayed in movies. Most movies are less than 2 hours, and premium shows like this, are usually 1 hour. People still need to know EVERYTHING ASAP. HTGAWM was a phenomenal show, I loved it, many others did as well. The main complaints of the show was them showing murders first, and intermittently reminded and fast forwarding the time line at any given moment. It was brilliant. However people said it was hard to follow. The fact of the show implying “mystery” in the title by mentioning murder which we all know is the king pin of “whodunnit” people still needed to know immediately. It’s to the point where I can’t pay attention to any type of media when I’m watching a show I like, especially all of the off camera drama being aired about these shows. There are spoiler videos on RUclips that make money by telling the entire order of eliminations of game shows like RPDR before the season even airs. Those videos have the most hits. I haven’t watched a finale in years including the international versions for that reason.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I love the mystery. I will say I love this show but the beginning of this episode threw me off. I was really looking forward to the immediate aftermath of last weeks. It did throw me off and I had to pause to see if it was my HBO Max app yet again glitching like it has done since I started episode 1 last week. I had to quickly skim online to see that I wasn’t crazy. So I pressed on. I’m so glad that I did. It was wonderful as usual. As for the other Galanthe. Zephyr said there were 3, and 2 died. She didn’t even know she was “dead” in somebody else’s body at first, so the other 2 could be alive. That Italian woman they keep showing has to be the 2nd. She was in the light of the bubble when they showed the crack. So now it makes sense for her to be there. I’m thinking Maladie is the third. She says friends keep secrets. Lavinia is probably the Free faction. That one stripe guy turned on them quick and Lavinia has been turning on them this entire time. Zephyr killed him when he thought he had overpowered her. Amalia called out Lucy and was going to do the same rightfully had it not been for Penance. Lavinia is about to get the same treatment only worse now that they have all reunited. She said a battle is coming, and it definitely is.
I’ve been watching your stuff for some time now for Loki and other Disney+ shows. I just finished this season and typed this in for a better understanding and was ECSTATIC to see you cover this show too! You’re awesome man.
I’m so glad you’re covering this, my fav RUclips channel covering my new fav series. 😘
After seeing how established reviewers/critics fumble their way around the show's narrative ("established" as in a few of them have been around even before the Internet), I'm glad I came across your clear and concise take on "The Nevers".
Thank you
The future society reminds me of Raised by Wolves.
you must be a time traveler too with how fast you're dropping these
“Stripe” appears to be a kind of soldier. It’s not that character’s name. Names are sacred in the future, at least to the Planetary Defense Coalition, which is why the Stripe didn’t tell her two ex-husbands her name and was unwilling to reveal it in the episode until the very end, when she told Penance her true name, Zephyr Alexis Navine.
The Future Folk use job titles as names. Stripe, as in a soldier’s rank insignia. Knitter the medic, as in mending. Bynar, from binary, the computer/tech guy, and the two Boots, either from the slang for new recruit, or from foot soldier.
@@CantankerousDave Exactly. This is how the world is now except people don’t verbally call you the name or a name/title but their actions clearly express it.
I'm really enjoying this and can't wait for the last 4 episodes. I think it's being unfairly reviewed by a lot of critics purely cause of the whole Joss Whedon fiasco. I keep reading that it has too much going on and doesn't know what it wants to be as a show, I don't agree at all. There is a lot going on here and it's peppered with moments that make you go "ooooooh right!" when you get to episode six, why is that a bad thing? A lot of dots connect and you get a real sense of where the show is heading. I swear people nowadays just want everything straight away and can't appreciate a bit of world building, like, give it some time ffs.
I just finished this show. An i LOVED it.
Thanks for doing another video about The Nevers, I know they dont get as many views but its a great show and I hope more people begin to watch.
Good coverage! I learned things i didnt notice watching it!
Just finished watching and love it. Hoping for many more seasons.
That was the coldest of cold opens.Just a fantastic way to flip the script.Looking forward to season 2.
Those last 2 episodes the show definitely came into it's own and has me so excited for what's next!!
Still confused about the significance of Mary's song though!
It was the Gilanthy being that is trapped in the ground trying to send a message to Amalia to keep looking for it.
great series and great breakdown. you caught a few things i didn't!
I have a wild theory that it’s Penance that is the other person sent back. And she’s the one building those robot creatures. (I was a bit confused about whether Knitter and the woman that can change anything into glass were the same actress/character or not). Really enjoyed this show. Shame that it won’t get the promotion it deserves due to Whedon’s problems, but I’m glad that we are getting another 6 episodes at least as I was really worried it was about to end at ep 6.
They we’re definitely the same actor, I’m just unsure why they would make a character with so little significance the same face as someone who had a lot of significance in the future
Now it makes sense why True exclaimed in an earlier episode "Penance has officially made the first amplifier !" and then Penance was like "I will call it a brightener, and it well...it...it amplifies sound." I was thinking how can True use vocabulary from the future??? Now it all makes sense.
I absolutely love this show. I can't wait for it to return. I love the different angles and complexity of the storyline. The jump to the future was a complete twist that was wonderfully done and did help to explain what's going on, all while further complicating the story in the best way.
Perhaps what I'm waiting on more than anything is to see what happens with Penance and Amalia. There is definitely chemistry there, there's definitely more than friendship there and I totally SHIP these two HARD!!! :D
Super excited for season 1B.
I had to pause 15 minutes into the show to make sure we were watching The Nevers. For me it was an unexpected origin story for Amalia and you are right, this episode was head-and-shoulders above the rest. I felt like, okay, now we're cooking with gas and now the show can begin! But of course, it was the last episode. It definitely has the potential to get better from here. Thanks for your breakdown!
I think the reason why the spores gave mutant powers to the Victorian era Touched, is because the Galanthi portal technology was not in "temporal-sync" with that era. And that's because the captured Galanthi could not "sync" the tech before hand. It was trapped in that glass cage. The Galanthi was only able to activate the portal technology quickly enough to escape (and take Zeffa with her). Yes I believe that Galanthi is a female.
Remember that Zeffa (the future Amalie, from the past - OMG "mind f#@%") mentioned something about "sims" and being out of "temporal sync" - as in simulations and mental/physical synchronization. These "sims" are probably used for training or understanding the Galanthi. And these simulations need to be in some type of "temporal sync." But since the portal tech was activated to quickly escape, the spores that the Galanthi spaceship released caused different effects on the Victorian era folks. Most likely because their Victorian minds and reality were totally different from that of the future humans (from Zeffa's time). So rather than being only empathetically bound to the Galanthi, they are instead mutated with powers and an empathy they can't fully understand yet. And since Zeffa was dead (or close to death), she had no idea what happened, or any idea of a mission. She basically only had limited memories of the totality of the events that happened during the Galanthi "time portal" escape.
This episode was INSANE!
I am looking forward to the second season, thanks for your recap Paul! But I do want to know why it is called The Nevers?
Oh it was nice to see Claudia Black from Farscape!
I read that it was called “The Nevers” because those that were Touched do things and have abilities that people “never” had or should have.
The first commenter is correct. The title does lead you to believe that the “Nevers” are a faction they use to describe themselves and more importantly the rest of the world does as well. Them being the “Touched” would have been a great title but also to obvious and the director isn’t going for too obvious which is great. The fact of this being the case in most stories in tv and movies nowadays makes it more plausible. I read the same explanation and the idea was brilliant. In society today, terms used to differentiate or identify a group can be an extremely touchy subject, despite people only verbally avoiding the term all the while displaying the very same behavior in any way shape or form, just enough as to not get “caught” discriminating. Lavinia like most rich people only do charity to put themselves above everybody, get recognition, and most importantly keeping those needing the charity from ever getting to close or rise up so they won’t need the charity. There can never be a rich without the poor, and we know it’s extremely possible for the poor to exist without the rich, any third world country or impoverished US State is living proof of that. Mississippi and Alabama border 2 of the largest states by area, population, and wealth yet they are the poorest. West Virginia and Delaware border the MD, VA and DC areas and yet they are still impoverished having not even close to what there neighbors have. QE reigns over 18 realms, as a monarch supposedly not having power when we know it’s BS, and look at Jamaica, which won its independence from her in 1962, and yet still she reigns and it’s an island heavily impoverished changing very little since she took the reigns back in the 1950s. Tourism is the only thing keeping it afloat and that’s barely especially now with this pandemic. We go to these remote areas and do documentaries and see in some places everybody is poor, give a little bit of money, then comeback to sell the footage for fame and profit. Yes some are legit but we know others aren’t.
Who here after Episode 7-9 drop
I LOVE this show, however I am so disappointed to hear that season 2 isn't likely until 2023. 😭
I can wait see what happens next.
Agreed
It's not even season 2, it's the second half of season 1.
In the future, Galanthi spores do *not* seem to have made anybody noticeably advanced, superpowered, knowledgable, or anything strikingly different. We meet a “Spore” who was touched by those lights but seems pretty darn normal, and she hasn’t been assigned to work with the Galanthi or their tech even though you might think that someone enhanced to do that would be using those skills. Then, in 1896, Amalia/Stripe is shocked by the special powers the Touched get, because nothing like that happens when she’s from.
Nevers is great. The behind in scenes stuff went away for after watching the first show. It does need more episodes for the future seasons, 8 to 10 would fit the show. And the acting was really good. I would give it a 8.5 out of 10. Good Start.
It's only the first half of the season. They had to stop production because of COVID so it altered the plans for the show. It actually expanded from 10 to 12 episodes.
This show was fantastic. I really enjoyed the first season.
I was a bit confused in the beginning of this episode, I thought the wrong show had taped. Once I started watching, enjoyed it , great series .
I don't understand the negative reviews I've read about this episode. It's been clear from the beginning that sort of sci-fi element was gonna be introduced. I thought this "ending" was fascinating
Just seeing Claudia Black again made me happy!! Haven't seen much of her since Stargate ended. Hope they bring her back sometime!
Great work, Paul. Your hard work really "touched" me.
The future section reminded me a lot of "Epitaph 1" Dollhouse S1 finale. That pulled a similar trick of jumping to an apocalyptic future
Thanks I didn't understand episode 6. Your great review helped me out.
When I started watching the season finale, I had to check my TV guide to make sure I had the right channel. Great finale.
For some reason seeing Myrtle all glam and done up like the space-aristocratic narrator to the prologue of Dune or something (and speaking intelligibly) kind of took my breath away for a moment or two as I realized who it was. I'm not convinced it necessarily means anything yet but something about it was really striking.
I had to double check I was watching the Nevers as I didn't expect the beginning being in the future. Thanks for your break downs of this series. I definitely would watch a second season.
I was blasted away by the ending!
Yeah, wish we’d got this earlier
@@heavyspoilers "A rushed plot NEVER boils" (See what I did there? ... Nevermind)
Same! And I personally love that it was slow, slow, slow and then BOOM, blindsided by this.
Really enjoy all your breakdowns, and really appreciate your coverage of The Nevers. After almost losing patience, Episode 6 makes me want to rewatch the previous 5. (Ep. 10 will reveal it was Lavinia All Along, btw.) Cheers!
Here me out!
The unknown person from the future could be lord Massens daughter. Maybe why he keeps her locked up and hates the touched so much for taking away his little girl?
@@freedom_born sometimes people share opinions it’s ok to mind your business and keep it moving
@@freedom_born Theres others from the future there too. I think Tolu is on to something. We get the shot of his daughter being hit by the spore and collaping, There was an intent to show that, which would lead the viewer to suspect it has significance.
@@lash2ash thank you plus the person behind the door in Massens basement. The door the workman found but was advised not to go near by the housekeeper. I think that’s another clue.
@lash2ash.
What others from the future ??! Who ?? She only told (Maladie/Sarah), the doc Horatio & Penance that she was from the future - that was it... and the daughter being struck was only significant to show how Massen despises the touched. They showed her grave FFS.
Although I do however have come to a thinking that Tolu maybe onto something with the basement thing. We know the other lord sent his daughter to Austria(?) because of "lumbago" - she was probably touched too. Sorry to jump the gun Fagbayi. You might be right
I really hope they do another season I really enjoyed the shit out of this show
I think 'Stripe' was not her name, but rather a title. Kind of like calling someone: 'Medic'. There seemed to be some taboo about knowing someone's true name, so everyone called each other by their title.
I like the finale a lot. Probably my second favourite episode maybe
I've really appreciated this new heroes series since the first episode. I'm looking forward to the second season asap. I like the concept of old London, with powers and the future
I liked it. I really like Amalia's character.
Loved it!! Don’t change a thing.
Hope to see many more seasons. It’s a great show that in my opinion finished strong.
I hope they start filming soon because I want earlier than 2023
I have enjoyed the show and thanks for your insights. It seems to me that this is a Joss type of show, so 2023 is a long way off. The finale left a way open, yet concluded satisfactorily, at least for me.
I love this show. Didn't start watching till episode 4 but caught them being reshown. I've watched 6 about 4 times and everytime I watch it again I understand things better. Can't wait till the second half airs.
The Nevers, like most of Joss Whedon's series, was amazing. I loved it ~ and so did everyone I know who watched it. I don’t understand why HBO cancelled it. And yes, episode 6 blew my mind!
Good review. Totally agree.
Sometimes the jokes aren't good - SOMETIMES??? Seriously, though, I've enjoyed the slow pacing and hints of the greater mystery. I love the main characters and the setup. Looking forward to part 2 of season 1, which I understand is filming now.
Loooool
I loved it...thx for helping explain the ending though. I was super confused by who was who in the future.
Hey Paul, thanks for the video! I was a bit thrown off during the first part of the last episode. I looooved every episode though! I think this show is great! I definitely hope they can get S2 out before 2023, as I'll totally forget about it by then, but either way it's great!
Her name is Zephyr not strype, Strype is a rank or some kind of military designation, she said I am a Strype I’ve done my job
Right, but the first chapter of the episode was "Stripe", so it was an identifier. It was only at the very end does she share her real name with Penance.
@@ColorMeConfused29 I think that Stripe thing is going to be important later, a Stripe must be some kind of elite or enhanced solider
Names were sacred and left unspoken. Stripe had 2 husbands who never knew her name. The character of Knitter was going to speak her name at the moment of her death. Amalia reveals her year 2121 name to Penance much later. A "stripe" is a low-ranking soldier.
Hopefully it does continue. I'm still a bit bitter about Carnivale.
I will miss Joss input - but looking forward to more
I really hope show continues to be good, but I expect its gonna fall apart. Its completely covered in Joss fingerprints, so I can't expect them to follow through and replace him fully. But this answer is matter of time, so for now, gonna just hope
Great review of a great episode. I think Stripe was more of a rank than a name. There's something going on with the names as they made a point that names were sacred and not to be revealed. I guess Stripe's / Amelia's accent was Canadian as she said she was from southwest Canada unless boundaries have shifted in the future.
Yeah the name Stripe I think was a nod that she was a higher rank person. Could be that she is a grunt as well, but definitely a soldier ranking.
I LOVE this new series on theHBOs! Good vid Heavy Spoilers Paul, thank you!
I really enjoyed the ending, but had to watch act 1 twice. I almost feel compelled to rewatch the series now that I know who true is.
ty for that explaination
2023!!! Why does this keep happening with shows I like?!!
Quality and Consistency is hard to find on RUclips. But Paul was born mastering both.
Ey thank you
The thing about Hague is, he is really good at the mad sciencing. He creates androids way beyond today’s tech much less Victorian abilities, and seem oddly confident that he can analyze Touch-ed-ness by looking at brains. My guess is, he is Touched too, with his inherent brain surgeries boosted to magical levels. Obviously being America is a real handicap in Victorian London or...l ok, I don’t know how he qualifies as downtrodden. Maybe his body also died (voluntarily or not) and also left an empty vessel for a future personality like Mrs. True.
I love The Nevers. Hope it isn't cancelled because of Joss Whedon.
great review, i love the nevers . thank you
This is a really entertaining show, but I am Nevers going to remember that in 2023.
Nevers part 2 is in preproduction. And should be released in somr yime in 2022.
I really liked this show...thank you for your breakdown.
Absolutely great show
Another thumbs up for getting another theory right.
LOL @ Perseus when the myth character you meant was Narcissus
Fml picked Perseus because he used a mirror to fight Medusa
Enjoyed every episode to be honest
not back til 2023!!?? i enjoyed this more than i expected to, i hope they dont pull a "firefly" with it!!
the flash to the dystopian future is a call back to Joss's other show Dollhouse, whose finale did something similar. The kickass short petite woman is of course a Joss trademark as seen in Buffy, Firefly and Dollhouse. Penance is another Joss tradition of having the sidekick be an awkward earnest nerdy information/tech support best friend, again in Buffy and Dollhouse. Did not guess that Stripe was True until 5 mins in, where I guessed Stripe was True who aged over hundred years for fighting since the events of the previous episode and eventually dying, before being proven wrong in that it was Stripe's soul travelling back in time instead into Molly's body.
Man, I really hope we get the second half of season 1 long before 2023...
Awesome video Sir 👍👍👍
Remembers me Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse", it was the same, last episode could have been a totally different show with a war going on and different characters never shown before.