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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • Go Back to the Future with Dave to 1985 as he tears down the world's first Video 8 camcorder, a vintage Sony CCD-V8AF
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Комментарии • 189

  • @AaronSmart.online
    @AaronSmart.online 8 лет назад +9

    There's a date stamp on the inside of the casing around 11:25, but using Japanese emperor years (Showa 61 = 1986) - so it's from 1986.05.21

  • @PrimalEdge
    @PrimalEdge 12 лет назад +1

    thanks for the 80's throwback! I love your tear-downs!

  • @VoidHalo
    @VoidHalo 7 лет назад +1

    I've gotta say, just getting into electronics a couple of weeks ago and trying to make simple circuits really makes me appreciate the amazing complexity involved in designing something like this. The mind boggles, as someone we know might say.

  • @totalrandomtechnolog
    @totalrandomtechnolog 12 лет назад +2

    I really love these vintage teardowns! And i seriously hope there is a part two! :)
    Good job

  • @videomaster8580
    @videomaster8580 8 лет назад +1

    That things a beast! Also in 1985 Sony released the Sony CCD-M8E Handycam. Much more compact and useable, and in keeping with the small size of the Video 8 cassettes.

  • @VitaNova83
    @VitaNova83 10 лет назад

    The noise this beast used to make when ejecting tapes is part of my childhood, classic. To a kid this thing practically transformed when you eject.

  • @202Electrics
    @202Electrics 12 лет назад

    Nice teardown this one.
    I like the vintage stuff..
    great that the tape player still works.

  • @SirBunghole
    @SirBunghole 12 лет назад

    My dad bought a CCD-V9 in the 80's. I still used it until 2005! Beast! They had great optics for the time.

  • @Mark19960
    @Mark19960 12 лет назад

    I used to fix these things back in the day.
    The pots labeled LP adj were for long play adjust and there would be an SP adjust.
    If memory serves they were for centering the tracking.
    These things were a beast to repair and a lot of them had notorious surface mount cap issues.
    The red button on the front that you did not know what it did is just another record/pause button. It did the same thing that the one that would be under your right thumb did.
    A previous poster explained the delay line.

  • @MichaelJE2
    @MichaelJE2 12 лет назад +1

    Shoulder-mount cameras still exist. :) I work with HD ones at the television station I work at part time. They're still nicely modular, the tape transport on one of ours broke, so we just ordered a new one and installed it ourselves. They also have replacable cards for various encoders.
    You don't see them much in consumer cameras, but in the professional world they're alive and well.

  • @morelenmir
    @morelenmir 12 лет назад

    I really enjoy these tear downs anyway, but this is especially fascinating to me. It takes me right back to watching my father run television, vhs and other A/V repairs when I was a young child. Everything discrete with practically no IC's. The smell of soldier and huge 3 inch diameter electrolytics capacitors...
    Wonderful stuff!!!

  • @Capturing-Memories
    @Capturing-Memories 2 года назад

    Delay line is a scan lines timing scheme, Mechanical scanning of video lines using a rotating video head have inaccuracies, So the scan lines are delayed and released at a steady pace to have them stacked vertically with perfect timing, Modern analog camcorders had a line TBC using digital memory, so the lines are converted to digital, stored in a memory and released using a digital clock then converted back to analog and output using composite or S-Video connectors.

  • @tesla500
    @tesla500 12 лет назад

    I've also heard of them being used to delay the video one line so that when the tape is scratched and the video drops out, the last line is displayed instead of black. The last line is certainly a better approximation as to what should be displayed compared to black.

  • @dalriada842
    @dalriada842 12 лет назад

    I saw them recently in an old 80s hifi. The through-hole pcbs were connected together like a puzzle box. That was a pain in the arse dismantling too!

  • @envisionelec
    @envisionelec 12 лет назад

    IIRC, the delay line was for phase compensation used for stabilizing the color (colour) signal coming off the tape.

  • @MrLatte27
    @MrLatte27 11 лет назад

    im 16 and i always love to pull apart old tech always so much more fascinating

  • @therealjammit
    @therealjammit 12 лет назад

    @EEVblog:
    The delay line was used to sync up the video with the reconstructed horizontal sync. The video and the H-sync were separated from each other and recorded to different parts on the tape.

  • @sficlassic
    @sficlassic 9 лет назад

    My dad bought one and I have it now......Still works just fine. Yes it's heavy and bulky but fun to play with. Battery's are getting hard to find so I got a variable wall wort from radio shack to power it.

  • @JoshuasRecordings
    @JoshuasRecordings 9 лет назад

    I used to have that same camera. Auto focus and everything, wish I still had it.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    Just a label maker. Headed down now for my regular check...

  • @playstation2bigs
    @playstation2bigs 11 лет назад

    THAT THING IN THE INSIDE IS SO ADVANCED !! than today's modern electronic

  • @TilmanBaumann
    @TilmanBaumann 12 лет назад

    The intro is pure Dave goodness. Thanks man, almost laughed out loud in the office.

  • @schmatzler
    @schmatzler 12 лет назад

    I love these old Sony shoulder cams. Repaired a CCD-V5000 a while ago. Replacing 82 caps, that took a while... ;)

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    No, I was trying to say this was done before reflow soldering was perfected. Yes, it was wave soldered.

  • @dash8brj
    @dash8brj 12 лет назад

    The red photo sensor in the tape transport mechanism does not only detect the presence of the cassette. It also tells the VTR when either end of the tape has been reached. For fast forward or rewind this is critical, otherwise the tape could be stretched or snapped at the end of the spool. To tell the sensor when the end is reached, all tapes have a length of clear leader tape that the light beam can shine through.

  • @batterydudellc961
    @batterydudellc961 10 лет назад

    Another interesting teardown.
    Thanks!

  • @Systemrat2008
    @Systemrat2008 12 лет назад

    Re the glass delay line. The PAL system requires a device to delay one scan line of video for colour phase comparison (PAL - Phase Alternate Line) hence unlike NTSC there was no tint control needed on PAL TV’s. Alternately the signal path for Chroma and luminance signals was different meaning a small delay might be required in the luminance signal so it remained in sync with the Chroma information which has a longer processing path to avoid the Chroma being shifted to one side of the image .

  • @envisionelec
    @envisionelec 12 лет назад

    I used to fix these for the rich kids' parents when I was in high school. But that was after several years of repairing VCRs (started that in junior high).

  • @ronaldlijs
    @ronaldlijs 12 лет назад

    Excellent tear down, my father had one of these!!

  • @Ts6451
    @Ts6451 12 лет назад

    I believe the delay line stores the chroma signal between the odd and even half frames, so that the color of alternate lines can be averaged to reduce the hanover bar artifact.

  • @karll3144
    @karll3144 7 лет назад

    this is so awesome mister!!! I just happen to buy one for 200$ complete set w/ suitcase, original battery, i found a replacement battery, got the charger, instruction, spare tapes, but only the RF unit missing, but fear not i'll modify it to RCA outputs! thanks to your video, i'll be able to have a pre inside look before taking it apart, mine has issues with the motor section moving the lens and autofocus lens. :D time for beer and click play

  • @BersekViking
    @BersekViking 12 лет назад

    Delay lines where also used as an simple error correcting system. One line of video is stored in the dclay line, and if there was a signal dropout from the tape, the signal from the last line was used instead.

  • @DaedalusYoung
    @DaedalusYoung 12 лет назад

    A portable television studio. Fascinating device, this video unit.

  • @wiremumadden7670
    @wiremumadden7670 Год назад

    Great camera my one still works well bought it in 1986

  • @lechulsk4845
    @lechulsk4845 10 лет назад +1

    Delay line is probably for compensation chrominance path delay to meet with luminance signal which was faster due to less processing. This device wasn't work on separate RGB signals instead signals for colors were coded to PAL system and recorded on the tape. So delay line is a part of PAL coder...

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    I wanted to film the intro with the camera, but couldn't get it working in time.

  • @StillCloser
    @StillCloser 5 лет назад

    Mine is Hi-8 and the user's manual says 440 lines in standard mode and 320 in LP. Unfortunately there was a problem with the SP mode when the camera was paused during recordings... Never used it much...

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    Yeah, something happened there. I didn't realise it at the time, but heard it on the edit.

  • @FlyingDelorean1
    @FlyingDelorean1 12 лет назад

    I remember my dad having a zenith betamax camcorder back in the early 80's.
    It had a separate recorder that you would hold on your side with a shoulder strap.
    The camera was huge and the recorder and battery was heavy

  • @rocketman221projects
    @rocketman221projects 12 лет назад

    That one is built a lot nicer than the ones I've taken apart.
    Those viewfinders are useful when you need a small screen. I have used them in several of my projects. Most of them just take 5v power and a composite video signal.
    I like those hinged connectors. Are those available anywhere or are they custom?

  • @oBsRVr666
    @oBsRVr666 12 лет назад

    @ 7:00 - Finally a collaboration between Mike and Dave.

  • @Dutch3DMaster
    @Dutch3DMaster 9 лет назад

    EEVblog I think it did have a macro-function, it usually was in the knob on the zoomring (The Panasonic MS-1 at least had it this way and was able to focus so close you could see dust inside the lens :P). Not that it matters anymore, but usually you could pull it out or press it in when nearing the wide-end of the zoomring, which would allow you to focus much, much closer. Some of the cheaper Fujinon lenses for ENG camera's still have the macrofunction on the zoomring.

  • @BersekViking
    @BersekViking 12 лет назад

    The detektor is a end-of-tape detector. There are holes on the side of the cassette and photo transistors on the sides of the holder.

  • @MrPorrohman
    @MrPorrohman 12 лет назад

    Brillant teardown, by the Way, as always

  • @pde442
    @pde442 12 лет назад

    I love tear down Tuesday!

  • @myozone
    @myozone 12 лет назад

    Hi Dave, I didn't realise they are so sort after until I looked, So for now I would like to keep hold of it. It still works with all it's VHS-C goodness...
    I've just seen a couple on E-bay ...

  • @gglovato
    @gglovato 12 лет назад

    looking forward to part 2!

  • @powder-phun949
    @powder-phun949 10 лет назад

    I think i have a clue how that auto focus might work.There should be an IR diode somewhere over or under the lens of it. As the IR light bounces of something you're trying to focus at, it comes back at an angle, beacuse the emitter is not exacly where the reciver is. And so, the device can find a strongest IR light with that photosensor by moving it up or down. I'm not sure if it works that way here, but i'm sure that's how modern IR distance meters work.

  • @jabelsjabels
    @jabelsjabels 8 лет назад +1

    ahaha the straight faced intro, so good

  • @crazyivan030983
    @crazyivan030983 10 лет назад

    thumbs up for the Back to the future quote :)

  • @pablopicaro7649
    @pablopicaro7649 3 года назад

    2021 feb - still super modern 1985 tech

  • @jrmcferren
    @jrmcferren 11 лет назад

    Dave that delay line is likely for the phase alternation in the PAL system. I don't think delay lines were used that much in NTSC.

  • @Zagroseckt
    @Zagroseckt 12 лет назад

    There still used in modern portible large board electronics SOMETIMES when a flex cable is to sensitive or small and vibration is a factor where a socket would end up having problems in the long run. but the more modern ones atleast genrily are able to be pulled apart with a tool.

  • @superdau
    @superdau 12 лет назад

    Just thinking that the whole block for the tape has been replaced with a single SD-card slot without any moving parts nowadays, shows how everyone can now afford gear that 20 years ago not even TV stations could have.

  • @PD2DXN
    @PD2DXN 12 лет назад

    In 20 years we will watch the teardown of your full hd camcorder, and laughing our ass off about that resolution.

  • @Ts6451
    @Ts6451 12 лет назад

    > Though, on further reflection it may possibly also be used to store the image for line doubling.

  • @cartti
    @cartti 12 лет назад

    Introduction was hilarious. Another great video! :)

  • @Nazral
    @Nazral 12 лет назад

    Finally on 8mm film Dave? Now you're cooking with fire!

  • @Hixxyclips
    @Hixxyclips 12 лет назад

    Excellent video as always mate. Great teardown. I think the delay line is for the Chrominance (Colour Processing).

  • @JPWack
    @JPWack 12 лет назад

    aaand the same year I was born! loved the teardown :)

  • @rsattahip
    @rsattahip 6 лет назад

    Those electronic controlled mini mechanical devices are an absolute nightmare to work on.

  • @ForViewingOnly
    @ForViewingOnly 12 лет назад

    Cheers Dave. It'd be nice to see the CCD sensor in another vid.
    Man, I wanted one of these camcorders so badly when I was a teenager but at £1200 I could only dream.

  • @scottgfx
    @scottgfx 11 лет назад

    240 lines is line-pairs! So, a HD screen with 1920x1080 resolution, at best, could do 960 line pairs. All of that is limited by optics and bandwidth.
    Beautiful camcorder though! Thanks! :)

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    Yes, I know, but they are impossible to get.

  • @fckimmel
    @fckimmel 8 лет назад +3

    The delay line is most likely used to sync the B/W (Y) Gamma component to the RGB (Chroma) component so the color is matched on top of the Gamma perfectly. I had to replace one on an old analog TV and in the interim I just shorted the bad delay coil out and noticed the shift in the color behind the Gamma in the picture.

  • @frydo32
    @frydo32 11 лет назад

    Did you ever fix it back up? it would be cool to see it working

  • @petersage5157
    @petersage5157 2 года назад

    Not the actual model featured in the movie. Promotional consideration for Doc Brown seeing his future self on video was provided by JVC.
    "This is truly amazing, a portable television studio. No wonder your president has to be an actor, he's gotta look good on television!"

  • @SuperWilly1952
    @SuperWilly1952 2 года назад

    Respekt vor dieser hochqualifizierten Technik.

  • @Tjousk
    @Tjousk 12 лет назад

    Delay line so that when you press record, the tape transport mechanism has time to get up to speed I would assume.

  • @Lethaltail
    @Lethaltail 11 лет назад

    I have a Panasonic Omnivision, bit chunkier, and recorded to VHS, it looks amazing even with today's techonology. I think it was made after this camera, or maybe it just worked better than the Video 8.

  • @thewii552
    @thewii552 12 лет назад

    The old AF systems used IR rangefinding to do so. I guess it didn't work too well on that camera.

  • @gilgameshismist
    @gilgameshismist 12 лет назад

    I scrapped the very same camera last month.. I didn't even wanted to open that thing..
    Now I can see what I "missed". ;)

  • @BersekViking
    @BersekViking 12 лет назад

    The delay line is part of the PAL color system. Look it up! :)

  • @TheShadow1975100
    @TheShadow1975100 12 лет назад

    Rare. Thank you.

  • @BetamaxFlippy
    @BetamaxFlippy 9 лет назад

    I have the first Sony HandyCam from 1985 and I think it still works, but the sensor is compromised. Can you help me in some way? The sensor is a CCD-M8E and it records in PAL system. I would appreciate some advices on what to do with it, thank you.

  • @ScottPicton
    @ScottPicton 12 лет назад

    Some camcorders have humidity/water sensors that can cause the camera to shut down. Might be why the camera didn't start up and eject the tape?

  • @GalcoIndustrial
    @GalcoIndustrial 12 лет назад

    You might consider switching over to Beta...

  • @HDXFH
    @HDXFH 12 лет назад

    they were built well back then!

  • @AxelWerner
    @AxelWerner 12 лет назад

    DELAY LINEs... i once found quiet a couple in our old JVC VCR from the 80s too!!! not SMD in my case. But when i opened them up to look whats inside, i was quiet surprised!!! looked like "glass" with contacts to me back then. Todays guess would be, its made from quartz cristall. but how do they work ?! still a mystery to me

  • @gominosensei2008
    @gominosensei2008 12 лет назад

    assuming the viewfinder just has a standard video input signal, i would LOVE to actually use that on something else....

  • @MrPorrohman
    @MrPorrohman 12 лет назад

    Am i right? The huge Board is ONLY for the Transport mechanism? Ugh! Surprised that it has smd resistors thought they came up later

  • @aaront.barron8006
    @aaront.barron8006 12 лет назад

    So Dave, ifound your videos yesterday and im really enjoying them. i am a teenager and i am really interested in electronics and would like to be a electronics engineer one day. i am pretty early in my learning but i understand alot of your videos. i have kind of run out of ideas on what to build. is there anything that is cheap and easy that you would recommend for me to try building that i would learn alot from?

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    Damn, that's the name, do you think I could remember that...

  • @AntonioBarba_TheKaneB
    @AntonioBarba_TheKaneB 12 лет назад

    Maybe the delay line has something to do with the NTSC colour encoding.

  • @RetroGamerVX
    @RetroGamerVX 12 лет назад

    I have a videocamera with full size vhs tapes from a similar year. Amazing piece of kit, still use it for my channel now and again :o) Proper microphone, better sound than my hd handycam :o) Lol, love the software bug ;o)
    Wow, love the 80s watch ;o) I dare you to try and put it back together!! ;o)

  • @wacio
    @wacio 8 лет назад

    I have one like this - working great. Of course I don't use it any more.

  • @garagegeekguy
    @garagegeekguy 12 лет назад

    I remember my parents paid about $1,000 USD for a cheap Sears VHS camcorder in the same time frame. No telling how much this Sony cost when it came out...

  • @msylvain59
    @msylvain59 12 лет назад

    Believe me or not, i just received the same camera off from ebay in the mail today, for collection purpose. I paid 2 euros for it.

  • @gravedigger1454
    @gravedigger1454 10 лет назад

    Haha, I actually worked for BASF from 2007 - 2009 in the IT department :D xD

  • @dschiohlol
    @dschiohlol 12 лет назад

    Hey Dave,
    next time you mention that it's australia, not austria, throw out a hello to your austian viewers!
    would love that.
    - an austrian viewer

  • @myozone
    @myozone 12 лет назад

    I Have a JVC VRC1 - the red one, like in Back to the Furture !

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    I know, technically I've been formally trained in this. But obviously I don't care too much :->

  • @tinkeroundbackyard2464
    @tinkeroundbackyard2464 2 года назад

    I have the same one and everything works great but no camera as well any suggestions?

  • @josugambee3701
    @josugambee3701 8 лет назад +2

    It's a portable television studio!
    No wonder the president is an actor - he has to look good on television.

  • @glashio
    @glashio 12 лет назад

    Love it! Thx!

  • @DimitriKempinski
    @DimitriKempinski 8 лет назад

    Hi! I'm looking for a cable to connect this cam to a video recorder (vhs), from the multi connect to the video recorder, do you know where I could find this? Regards

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 лет назад

    How much you want for it?

  • @Zagroseckt
    @Zagroseckt 12 лет назад

    Wow panio hinge conector :) Havent seen one of those in a while.........

  • @barebarekun161
    @barebarekun161 6 лет назад

    Manual focus model are rare?
    I got one from japan auction site for 500 yen the shipping is expensive though.

  • @dg-hughes
    @dg-hughes 9 лет назад

    I still have my JVC GR-DVM70u camcorder it used miniDV tapes I thought I was the man back in 1998/99 I paid $2,500 for it the thing is the size of a small paperback book it even had a SD card which could take pictures probably 640x480. The camcorder lasted but the batteries were crap the only battery I had died less than two years later and no spares and now probably no miniDV tapes.