United Airlines’ Bet on Supersonic Flight Faces Financial, Tech Hurdles | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- United Airlines' announcement that it plans to buy 15 supersonic aircraft from the startup Boom Supersonic is raising questions about the future of ultra-fast plane travel. In this video, WSJ speaks with an industry analyst to better understand what’s next for faster-than-sound air travel. Photo: Boom Supersonic
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But Zoom can get you there faster.
😂
I’ve done so much zoom. I’d pay a heavy premium to leave my area. I’m not alone on that either.
And think of the saving to the environment.
But, I’m not a cat
And cheaper
Concorde was actually very profitable in it's final months when they brought tickets down to a business instead of first class level
But it destroyed the ozone and created a nuisance in noise because of it breaking the sound barrier. It shouldn’t be brought back
I remember seeing some tickets for $1200 in say 1999 . I was looking just for the experience!! Didn’t end up going though.
@ my iq isn’t 70 sorry I don’t want my kids and their kids to inherit mad max or a blade 2049 future planet
@@madclone84 Ok then.... I only talked about that jet only fly for historical Air shows, not for service.
@ then why are you calling people snowflakes clown?
Bear in mind unlike Concorde which was basically a brand new exotic type of commercial aircraft (invention and development took thousands of workers and billions in funds), the Boom supersonic Overture somewhat copies the fundamental delta wing and sleek design from the Concorde, and improves its efficiency and aerodynamics, which is by comparison far easier.
Definitely an inspiration to the amazing group of engineers who crafted the Concorde though still far from easy. Boom definitely have a plethora of resources built on the concepts, fundamental knowledge, and history of the many minds behind this classic design back in the 70's. Everything comes around full cycle and we can like you said definitely improve efficiency and continue the necessary research to make improvements and tackle the fuel and sonic boom problem for the people who may never have access to fly on such a craft. At the same time the general public can marvel at its advances and perhaps take something away from the project coming full circle and be inspired to do something that they have a personal passion for. Like sports, music, film, automobile design, along with nature embedded with human nature. The study of whales, the variety of birds, physics, computer simulation, computation, pure thought, sound, light, and every flight vessel that came before it. We're living in some interesting times.
If that is what you think, then you really don't know aircraft design and developement.
I flew London to New York in under 4h in 1999. It was amazing. Like a time machine. Arrived in New York over an hour before we left London.
*I don’t care. Teleportation is real and approved of by the U.S. government so that means that I can teleport to London or New York instantaneously using psychokinesis.*
Apparently, you could see the sun set twice, too.
Seeing as the noise issue was a significant challenge for Concord, calling your company Boom seems to indicate a remarkably out of touch company
60 000 feet should be ok
Very confident concept art: Our planes are so fast you won't even notice that the seats don't recline.
I think that it looks like they could- the bottom cushion would move outward and the back of the seat would move downward so that it reclines without moving into another passenger's space
Actually it looks like a cool concept
That's an extremely optimistic delivery date.
They should lose the passenger windows and install OLED screens.
Why compromise the airframe and open the possibility of explosive decompression at 60,000 feet?
Someone will complain that it's not "Instagramable"
Because that's never been an issue
There would still be a risk because you still need doors. Also this isn’t really an issue in the first place.
Butter Robot everyone's gangsta until there's a crack in the window
@@immanuelj8952 Having windows only on the doors for cabin crew emergency procedures would greatly reduce the engineering problems that come with windows running along most of the fuselage.
Just make more lay flat seats and overnight flights, sleeping through a flight is much more economical than supersonic jets
And let's put those seats on a cargo ship. That's more economical too.
@@spicex4k901 you're a funny guy.
@@spicex4k901 cargo ship passage is more expensive than commercial flights. Easily 2k to go from us to europe
@@spicex4k901 lol😭
@@Cross-xm2fr he definitely is invited to all the parties😂
I find the name Boom to not be synonymous with anything aircraft culture , it’s not a sound pilots or passengers would like to hear 😂 , I would love to see this project happen.
Yeah I think Zoom would be better.
Sonic boom???
@@joshmoody2077 - that's exactly why it was chosen, but the more ignorant type of passenger would not fly on it over an unfounded fear or connotation. From a marketing standpoint, not the best choice of names. Unfortunately, when marketing, you have to be saleable to the lowest common denominator. I would fly on it just for a hoot and just to say I did it if it were a business class price.
"WSJ Aviation Report" What does that actually mean? what are his real qualification?
Maybe they should focus on making economy class better for the rest of us
haha 😂
To then complain about rising prices?
Yawn
There’s not much margin in that. Although improving economy is why Southwest, Jet Blue and others have risen to compete with legacy carriers.
@@johannes7434 the best way to keep prices low is to keep gasoline prices low.
The Boom prototype is a copy of a supersonic fighter prototype. It’s fuselage is contoured to mitigate the sonic boom and is not shaped like a transport plane at all. The Boom venture has shades of the Nikola truck venture.
Completely agree
iT LOOKS LIKE A PENCIL, WHICH IS WHAT SOME CALLED THE CONCORDE. IS IT INTENDED FOR MIGETS?
How about East to West Coast flights? If the noise is no more a problem, then It will possible to get from NYC to LAX or SFO within 3 hours, right?
One thing to remember is that Boom has not built a prototype yet, let alone the long testing and certifications time needed for commercial use, so we are still years away. To me, this just looks more like Nikola Motor. Overpromise, underdeliver by a new company that has not yet produced even one airplane, let alone a supersonic one.
who allowed that name to go through and actually thought it’s appropriate for a travel airline service???
I hope they succeed. It's a cool plane.
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Concorde is still the boss.
Sad to hear about Aerion.Was looking forward to their jets
It was all concepts though
I wonder that cabin in the plane is quiet when they are flying supersonic.
Aerion has gone out of business?! Sad.
Well, can we say it ever was in business?
Making neato renderings and failing to raise funds does not a SST make
@@LostAnFound Agreed, but sad though, I was really rooting for them.
From the perspective of an Aero Engineer, and I hate to say this because the cool factor is at 11, I don't see supersonic commercial flight going anywhere. With development in sub-orbital travel and video conferencing advancements, there's too many bigger, faster stronger alternatives. Concorde was on my bucket list...bummer.
sub-orbital travel gonna be better imo for the people that wanna be there quick.
@@honkhonk8009 100% agree. Price will be higher initially, but with reusable rockets it will come down.
YF12A was on my bucket list but ended up in navav.
@@honkhonk8009yeah also sub Orbital travel has added first hand experience to fly near edge of space. Just like Concorde is the first Super Sonic commercial Travel
Supersonic boom is not a problem when you fly over the ocean. NYC to London, SF to Tokyo etc
@@ecoro_ then you have to slow down before you arrive on land, but you can still do 80% of the trip supersonic. That's why they are advertising routes that go over the Atlantic and the Pacific ocean
@@ecoro_ I believe they have come up with a solution for the supersonic boom
Is it just me or does “Boom” nor sound like the the best name for a passenger airplane…..
Will it have wifi it better?
Tech simply hasn't moved that much in aerospace for like the last 40 years to provide supersonic passenger flights safely and most of all - economically. It's the sad truth and realization. No amount of additive manufacturing, computational geometry or some wacky composites are going to make these things happen easily. Rockets on other hand can still be upgraded a lot. Planes were almost perfected by defense industry .. hard to move forward since all of the low hanging fruit has been taken.
Untrue.
WHO CARES---HELLO DARLING.@@BenGodot
Won’t hold my breath for this.
There is one reason that somehow wasn't often mentioned: 50 years ago any type of transport and flight in particular was considered as a time waster, you just sit and wait. Now you have Wi-Fi on your average jet so you can be as productive as in the office. Not to mention modern portable entertainment systems. So there is no need to pay extra to skip 3 hours, especially if you wouldn't even notice it.
Its not for the wider audience probably, its for a small niche. United isnt stupid.
Notice how the concord was built to accompany 787 levels of passengers, but this aircrat only carries like 8. Its for sure a small niche.
@@honkhonk8009 Boom is supposed to carry 88 passengers which is almost the same as Concorde's 100. This is a PR move from United to appear relevant, that's it.
Why not upgrade the Concorde and use it?
You save a few hours on a flight. Depending on your value per hour, it would be well worth it.
Concorde. Was. Profitable. It just wasn't *as* profitable as selling 1st class seats on standard flights. Please stop perpetuating the myth that Concorde was just too grandiose.
Isn't that the same thing
when is it gonna come out
IMO I don't think wer'e ready for supersonic travel yet! It's gonna take longer than 5 years But I wish BOOM well in their ambitious endevours
Concorde was incredibly profitable during the 1980s when it made at least 25% of all of the profit made by British Airways. From just 7 aircraft.
Why if the market has been opened up to supersonic jets in the past, why is it going to take so long to get passengers aboard?
Excellent stuff bro
I'm excited, Boom Supersonic CEO has a deep aeronautical engineering background. This is going to be killer! Oh, wait, Groupon isn't an aircraft manufacturer?
Elon wasn’t a rocket scientist when he started SpaceX. He seems to be doing okay now.
So it’s 2021 and I don’t understand how it would take 8 years to bring something to market? This doesn’t sound like a plan that they’re (United) are sold on… sounds like a PR piece…
Supersonic flight is a lot different than just a new jet coming out like an airbus plane. There was a lot of issues with the concord and they probably don’t want to repeat the same problems.
It takes years of development and testing before airliners enter operation. The A350 received it's first orders in 2005, but didn't enter service till 2015. The 777x got it's first orders in 2012, but won't enter service till 2024(it was originally supposed to enter service late last year but was delayed because GE had to make some fixes to the engines. This was further pushed back as airlines deferred orders because of COVID).
I’m very sceptical about this plane and whether UNITED are learning lessons from O’Leary in terms free publicity. Remember when Concorde was launched and how many launch customers it had, the flagship American carriers, Lufthansa, Qantas. CAAC and many others. Only AF and BA got them, bailed out by their governments. That said Concorde was an amazing technological achievement and laid the foundations for Airbus as we know it today.
What did the Concorde do for the airbus?
At 4250nm range it ain’t gonna do any trans pacific ! Even using great circle routing.
4250Nm is 7871km so it will make LA to Sydney barely
@@jameson1239
Yeah, your math is a bit funky - great circle routing between LAX and SYD is 7488 NAUTICAL MILES……..that is a LARGER number than 4250 ! So NO it won’t come close.
@@savagecub Your correct I misread the thing on line the distance is 7 thousand miles not km
Love technology ❤️
what happened to hyperloop?
A guess: United is going to help Boom with its simulation and engineering departments. In other words, United is going to lend its expertise in order to develop the passenger plane. In exchange, United is going to have exclusive access to all of Boom's planes. (Boom won't be allowed to sell to anyone else.)
Seriously? No way a single airline - especially one that isn't really worldwide - is going to order enough planes to cover development costs. And if I'm designing a premium product, it's not going to be United's customers I'll be going after. 😊
@@hopedaddy907 United is more worldwide than any carrier us or international. They serve more countries and destinations than any airlines without codes hares. And even more with them.
Question: if the sonic boom noise and g-force issues were fixed, plus a new fuel saving of say 60% were avaiable to existing jet engines, or a new technology, and lets say the speed could be mach 4~7 whilst comfort as per the aforementioned g-force were fixed and thus as good as current 737 max or better, would we still see these technologies held back by the fact that youd have thousands of planes flying around at super sonic speed and potentially be problematic for rogue countries utilising them for war planes with munitions and bombs attached to them? ?? i keep pondering that, like if we could quickly build new aircraft tomorrow, at say 150-300 million per plane, with fuel savings of 60%, that could fly 5 x faster minimum, would the powersa that be in the main countries even let that happen?????? apologies for the poorly worded question...
TOO MANY IF'S.
militaries around the world already use supersonic jets.
Nobody:
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This is a classic case of a legacy company trying to look modern and “silicon valley tech like” by investing in a company that barely has a product and, in my opinion, an extremely flawed business plan. Will Boom be another Nikola Motors?
I feel like it has its own niche that it can fulfill. Its still unlikely it gonna go anywhere, but its honestly interesting.
The Boom might kill the Airbus A321 XLR and 737 Max 10 for over seas flights but the Sub Sonic plane will be used for Domastic flights.
Not happening. - so many reasons.
Let's start with a functioning airplane.
Boom i believe will be very profitable and safer and faster much quieter than rhe Concorde SST and be able to fly over land to more destination's and accommodate more passengers
Pushing objects trough the atmosphere supersonic requires a great deal more energy than subsonic.
How can SST play with its large fuel consumption in times when regulators are serially shutting down oil pipelines.
this is the first good argument against SST that I have seen. Great job.
Boom has stated that their aircraft will use carbon neutral fuel ie not oil.
@@immanuelj8952 If global carbon emissions could be resolved by making a statement then all the airlines, and all means of transportation everywhere, would simply state "we will use carbon neutral fuel". The existing airlines know there is no large scale "carbon neutral fuel" which is why they are going to extremes with the like of 737 Max engine fuel efficiency. SSTs necessarily go in the other direction, burning more fuel per passenger mile.
If Boom means synthetic fuel, good luck, it's been tried and so far costs 5 or 10x what fossil fuel costs, and the pilot plants never made anywhere near enough tonnage of fuel to support a fleet of SSTs, which by the way requires a global distribution system for the fuel, in place ready to go. Synfuels might work some day with a cheap enough, always-on energy supply, feeding an enormous synfuel infrastructure, which Boom can't conjure on demand for the sake of SSTs.
If they mean biofuels, then its simply false to say its carbon neutral, never mind the other land use harms to the environment from biofuel production. Unfortunately Big Bio Fuel is happy to support the falsehood.
I’m booking as soon as they get the planes
Nice video.
AUG 2023. I've heard that the BOOM project has been postponed. ?
I speak for everyone when I say this is never going to happen.
1:55 The other was the Soviet Tupolev 144
There will be demand just make it 🤤
I can't wait to pee at twice the speed of sound!
I hate the name Boom, people where much more original back in the day with Concord.
What do you propose?
... Made by a company called Airbus.. don't know why you talking about originality in the name.
How is this an ESG solution?
please make it faster, i can't wait to watch it's first takeoff.
Do they basically bringing back the Concorde, interesting 😅
The concorde went also BOOOOOOOM
2 years after 9/11 we got concorde, 2 years after corona virus we get this
Large consumption of Fuel... is most costly one.. So after closing concorde flight.. no one want to invest... thats wise decision...
NYC to Vegas please
You sure? You don’t want to get like Concorde.
what about the noise pollution?
Spike looks like it’s still looking for its supersuit lol
It would be better to invest in sub orbital travel. It would be faster and more eco friendly.
Its just a concord with a facelift and we all know how successful that was...
The NASA lower decibal supersonic plane has a very long nose which this will need. The design picture is nothing like that and and will need a new design. So I'm more skeptical noticing they don't have a real design then. And it's illegal to do supersonic civilian aviation right now.
It'll be expensive. That's for sure.
Are there business travelers anymore? From sonic boom to Zoom
BOOM Supersonic
I mean it was to be expected....
That is classic chicken or egg dilemma. If there is 120€ supersonic 4h flight with you toddler aged children compared to 100$ traditional 8h flight.... you see what I mean. It is clear that there is easily opened market just waiting for fulfill.
People will get used to it like in one time and then prices can be more reasonable and real.
Is it electric?
No, runs on jet fuel.
Lol, much like Hyperloop: AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN
Let's just hope it will
-JUAN
The Boom's are probably nice as large business jets for wealthy people. Don't really see it going en masse into commercial service, tbh.
That’s literally what they said in the video.
Makes u wonder how in the 70s they managed to do it...
Thinking these tickets are high.. guess no one ever flew emirates..which is a wonderful company.
If a flight attendant gains weight and outgrows their uniform, they are fired.
Nice people
3,5 hours to London. 4,5 hours delay. Fly United.
Bagaimana???
Hmm...Boom..will go Boom
Concorde
Hopefully they will be available using UA miles
Concorde: *very sad moment*
Great
Now you can get beat up while speeding in supersonic speeds
Gotta go fast
Concorde 2.0
If I were a business traveler who really needed to be on-site somewhere (like why with modern 4k streaming but whatever, hypersocial dumbasses just want to spend money and look cool in 1st class) I would still prefer flying 1st class for 10 hours and staying over in a luxury hotel, rather than flying in some supersonic not-yet-proven jet in a tiny cabin for 3 hours and having to go back home the same day.
Hmm American just paid a non refundable deposit … remember rivian and lordstown motors? I’ll believe it when I see it
Pipe dream.
this business model failed long time ago. Why bring it back?
Make a private jet version and sell it to billionaires and celebrities.
Yes! So they die as guinea pigs lol
@@mvrz6 be serious. We ain't killing people for being rich.
88 seats going to be expensive
Concorde REBORN!