Why I HATE Cyber Security Bootcamps
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One of the most common questions I get from people is if they should attend a Cyber Security bootcamp. Logically it makes sense because bootcamps are advertised as a magic pill that will get you a job in cyber security in as little as months or even weeks! Are these bootcamps too good to be true? There are several things that you should consider when looking at bootcamps before you spend your life savings.
Join me in this video as we walk through what bootcamps are, the types of bootcamps being offered, and if bootcamps are worth it. As somebody who has been through several bootcamps, I bring a realistic perspective on the subject and hopefully can help you make the best decision!
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I took a boot camp for cyber security with a working agreement and got a job within 2 months. Best thing I have ever done in my life and 31
Thank you for sharing! It can definitely work out that way but it's never a guarantee regardless of what some of these programs promise you.
hey! Did you have IT experience? How long was your program?
Are you sure? I don’t believe. Which bootcamp? So you learned cyber security in just 2 month?
@@filmrolls3165 first of all. All the real learning is done on job and through experience. No one can learn the field with school. I previously went to college got a 4 year degree and masters in accounting and work experience is completely different. That’s where I learned accounting. Through experience. Not school. School is a ticket. Don’t believe me don’t care. Who are you? I also had to get my network + security + certificates to get my job.
@@filmrolls3165 to answer your question it was fullstack . It’s not an actual working agreement but help at the end with the connections they had. Don’t even need a Bootcamp to get a job. I could of just done the certifications with CompTia. Also did you read my comment? I didn’t say I studied for 2 months. I got a job WITHIN 2 months after getting my certifications
Thanks for the video man. I wasn’t at peace about signing up for a boot camp. Here’s the answer
Glad that I could help!
I just started a bootcamp at a pretty reputable university in my state and, the course lasts about 40 weeks. Paid some pretty big $ to take it. ngl for someone who went into this with little IT experience, your video kind of has me spooked. Though so far I'm taking in all this info like a sponge and I'm pretty determined to break into the field, so I'll report back next July and let you know how it went. Love your content!
If you've already paid for it then there's no turning back so just make sure you maximize what you get out of the program. The point of this video isn't to scare people if they've already signed up for a program but to provide ways of evaluating programs before diving in and to decide if it makes sense. Definitely keep me updated and thank you for watching!
good luck. see you in july
Good luck! Looking forward to hearing about your journey.
would love to hear an update on how the bootcamp is going for you!
Would love to hear
I attended a bootcamp for 6 months and I pretty much forgot everything they taught me, I felt like they rushed into everything and didn't really elaborate on topics. As a beginner I was completely lost now I understand a bit better.
Thank you for sharing! Bootcamps always feel rushed and they rarely go deep enough in the correct areas.
boot camps are a big ripoff you can study on your own here online!
Would you like to share if you studied outside of the course? Yea you might've attended a bootcamp but if you never spend time outside of it, which they usually recommend 20+ hours/week then that's a lot of practice and learning you're missing out on.
Coming from a person currently in a Bootcamp, just go for a degree. While you do touch different parts of cyber security, if you are like me you are gonna feel overwhelmed to a point that it starts to confuse you. I’m currently looking at masters programs in Cyber Security (since I already have a bachelors in homeland security) in short don’t waste money on boot camps and aim towards a degree or study by yourself to get certs.
Like a lot of things, there is a time and a place, however it's usually not when you are first starting out.
@@JonGoodCyber I agree. I feel that a Bootcamp would be more beneficial to someone that is already in the field and needs a refresher of things that they haven't touched in a while. Thankfully I had a few months of GI bill which is money to go to school due to serving, hence I did not pay the hefty amount which was around 14 grand =(.
Thank you so much for this video! I've been scrambling for a decision in regards of how to get into cyber security and if bootcamps were worth it and this helped me gain a clearer picture. Truly a lifesaver and a great help!
Glad it was helpful and you are welcome!
This is very true and they promise that they can get you jobs but out of about 35 students in my Cybersecurity BootCamp class 1 or two found employment in the field. Not worth the money. Just get your basic certs and save your money.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
I’m nervous now. Just finished loan processing for SMU’s 24 week CyberSecurity boot camp🤦🏿♂️😞. 12K for the program, at this point I’m just believing it’ll work out for me in the end in addition to putting in the work on my end🙏🏿
If you've already taken on the loans, just make sure that you dedicate yourself and work hard. The salaries can get high relatively fast as long as you are willing to put in the effort but obviously upfront you'll have the loan to pay off.
Yeah I just finished all of the loan processing myself for SMU cybersecurity boot camp. I'm hoping I just get my money's worth.
I just like the aspect of learning with other people in the same room. I have a living issue where I live with family/roommates theres kids its nearly impossible to study and focus on my own. Its a hefty amount paying 12k for these bootcamps, but if lets say you do get a job and some how live with family you can pay it all off in maybe 2 months or faster if you do side hustles.
@@JonGoodCyber yes sir will do
Did it work out?
I gave this video about a minute. People have various reasons for doing these cybersec boot camps, and having just done myself I have to say how much I enjoyed it. So much so I’m going to do an AWS course next. Having had a varied security management/loss prevention previous law enforcement career, I feel to entirely slate these boot camps is missing the point of attracting people into the industry, and quite I’d have expected better of you John. You know what, you have to start somewhere, and I realise that I won’t make senior Analyst next week, but I will get a better sec management job based on the CPD and increased understanding of wider cybersec disciplines.
If you only watched about a minute of this video, you missed almost all of the valuable information that I included.
Damn buddy you sound like youre trying to convince yourself that your investment was worth it.
Im in a cybersecurity boot camp now and it the worst decision I have ever made. The pace is ridiculous.
Sorry to hear that...is it a general boot camp or was it targeted at a specific area or topic?
How did it end up going?
Ive had great experience with the University Bootcamp. I did one at Boulder and had a lot of great help from active industry professionals and got access to a lot of stuff I would have never had on my own or with just a company. sure its great and cheaper to do it on your own or through a company that does the bootcamp but most of the time you will get no where unless you are great at self motivating. Also the university ones offer a lot more opportunity to get connected with companies in CyberSecurity as well as networking with people directly. CU Boulder also pays for a few certifications for you so thats nice too.
If you had a positive experience with one, then that's great! For transparency, the CU Boulder bootcamp is like nearly every university "bootcamp" and is offered by ThriveDX. There certainly are pros and cons, but in general, if you aren't self-motivated, you probably will struggle in this career field because handholding is very unlikely once you get into the workforce.
self learning is good but guidance is the issue with self learning ... its hard to learn something on your own if you don't know where to start or the path to take to get to your learning goal. so having some kinda guide is a good thing for some people ...with just getting information from free sources you end up having gaps in your understanding
I definitely agree that everybody has different needs to learn effectively and I just want people to make informed decisions. If people follow a solid learning path like the one in my free eBook on my website, then knowledge gaps get resolved as you progress. When people decide to jump far ahead in their journey, that is where knowledge gaps become an issue because they didn't take the time to learn foundational concepts first and then they are lost.
I’m glad I found this video before I committed to 10 month and $16k for the University of Michigan Nexus cybersecurity boot camp. Many of the videos I have watched with people that seem genuine and honest say the same thing. Self driven people can break into the industry for less money than universities would have you believe. It’s about investing in the proper certification that matter most to the companies hiring.
Some people out there on RUclips and beyond are set on a specific path, however every situation is different and I try to give you the tools to help you make the best decision based on your situation.
Great Info! Bootcamps are popping up all over the place these days
Yes they are so people definitely need to be educated on the options that exist!
Yeah I just got notified of one, all online, PT, 11k. No experience needed and you get a certificate after 26 weeks
i've been self studying for cyber security for a few years on and off (busy life like everyone else). I spent a lot of time on udemy taking all courses that seemed relivant. I would look at what employers are looking for (certs) and took courses designed to help you pass the certs. The problem that i found is after reviewing all of the certification material, i don't think i'd be useful with all of that knowlege to an employer. I browsed boot camps for a while and ended up going with a 1 year long one with university of michigan. I've always felt alone and like i have no mentor in the whole process. The majority of my questions have to just get pushed to the side with no viable answers on google or forums. I know that paper will do nothing for me, but i'm truely after the knowlege, experiance, and mentorship.
Hey! I was considering udemy before jumping into a boot camp. How useful were the udemy courses?
It's true that there is never a one-size-fits-all solution when it comes to learning and I think that's especially true in cyber security. There is nothing wrong with Udemy courses if you can find a reputable instructor, however one thing to keep in mind is that courses with massive followings (or even on RUclips) tend to be slow to respond. For example, if a single instructor has 100,000 students then responses might take a while to work through. I offer career coaching and mentoring for anybody who wants it at a reasonable cost but I don't have enough time in the day to give away free sessions to my five figure audience, however I try to give as much free advice as possible.
@@JonGoodCyber Thanks!
@@t.a.bentley Depends what you're looking for. I learned a ton from my udemy classes. The teachers I learned from had employees that monitored their comment sections and answered questions. I think the most difficult part about all of this is that everyone takes a different path to the goal when they're self learning.
I took a few courses from Jason Dion and Zaid on udemy, with a few 1-ofs. Lots of youtube.
Jon is right about boot camps, for the most part, though. I woud NOT suggest it to a person trying to get into it unless they're extremely self motivated and have a lot of free time for hardcore studying.
If i was giving advice to someone getting into it.. I'd say keep the prices below 50 dollars for each course. use youtube/google when you can. If you wanna chat about it and stuff, hmu and i'll give you a link to a disc or something.
@@MA-yk4pq Thanks for that insight. What would be the best way to reach you?
The drinking from a firehose is my biggest concern... Afraid I'll be overwhelmed.
Rushing the process of learning isn't always best and many times the information won't stick if you try.
I recall doing one of the Learning Tree classes several years back when I did programming. What helped me on that was booking it a little further out and doing self study on the subject I was taking the class on before the actual course. While it might sound a little redundant, I didn't feel as lost going through the material and was able to ask more informed questions.
Thank you for sharing!
I know a person (30 years old ) no experience. Took a Fullstack Cyberbootcamp and got in at a junior position at HackerOne. Because of him I am considering a Fullstack bootcamp. He said during the interview process they didn’t seem too concerned with which Boot Camp he took but rather, just the fact that he had been primed with some basic information and they would teach him all he needed to know. I guess cyber security is one of those feels that is so in need of workers that maybe this is kind of a caveat to the rest of the industry.
** he knew someone who worked at Hackerone and they had been looking for outsiders to bring into the industry so he was somewhat lucky to get into such a prestigious company. He says though he’s confident that he would’ve gotten a job elsewhere had he not have the inside connection may have just taken him a little longer
The hiring requirements absolutely vary by company, hiring manager, and team but knowing somebody on the inside will always be extremely valuable in the process.
you very welcomed although I think you should put together a CISSP online tutorial course as that might be a good hit for you, although I know I will have a front row seat. I was required to take a CISSP course or CISSP prep for my Bachelors and Masters degree. I found the subjects pretty interesting an my next boot camps are going to be CASP+ and CISSP by the end of this summer, then I will proceed on my Cloud computing architecture soon after those certs are completed. I am still pretty familiar with the CISSP and CASP+ domains, so I should be ok. I have the experience and knowledge of the many domains of both certs so I do not see any obstacles to having it formally documented
Thank you for watching! I have several videos about the CISSP on this channel already. As far as courses, I only have so much time in the day to do all the things that I do but perhaps in the future. Good luck in your boot camps and keep us updated on how they go!
I just saw this video, and honestly, I agree. Though, the college I'm at right now I'm taking a 10 month course for a the ITF, A+, Network, Security, and Cloud Practitioner, and honestly, I think it was a good choice. I'd have the option to go back to get a degree in whatever field of computers with transfered credits from said course, but I'll see where this road takes me first.
Thank you for sharing! Ultimately there are a lot of paths that will "work" so if nothing else, it's beneficial to compare the pros and cons for the different options.
whats the name of the course?
What is your opinion on the Coursera business model? Pay an average of $50 a month and received as many certifications from different courses? For example, if I stay for a whole year I would have spent $600.
I went to the website and searched for Security+ and CISSP, two of the most in-demand cyber security certifications, and they literally don't have any courses. It's possible you could learn something from the courses but Coursera isn't going to be a good use of money. You could go to CBT Nuggets ( www.cbtnuggets.com/ ) and pay about the same price, but get access to training that will actually prepare you for a job and industry certifications.
I am taking a boot camp and will graduate in January , I plan on doing a lot of my own work even after graduating and willing to take any entry level cyber security job in order to get the experience under my job … as if I got an 90k job I would expect them to expect me to know alot and be very trained … I would much rather start somewhere and learn alot as I get paid to do so even if it’s only 30k a year because those offers and opportunities will come as long as I update my knowledge and stay in tuned with it
You are certainly correct in that the higher your pay, the more that will be expected. I would recommend being open to entry level IT and cyber security jobs because there is basically no program that will land 100% of students a job in cyber security. Getting experience in either is extremely important long term!
@@JonGoodCyber yessir!! I plan on taking whatever job offer I can get after graduating , I am just trying to get my foot in the door when it comes to entry level & I will put I. The work afterwards to build my portfolio, knowledge and resume in order to land much higher paying jobs. I will land those jobs I’m not like everyone else expectations to get paid 6 figured after graduating … unrealistic
I have been through a couple of bootcamps twice once for my CySA+ and Security+ I highly recommend bootcamp's for the seasoned veteran in Cyber Security as the bootcamp was only a refresher for me on the exam objectives for each certification and I did acquire my new and needed certifications and am totally satisfied with the cost and "Live" expert instruction that we had on hand with experts in the field although I would NOT recommend it for the newbe as the tempo would be at an extremely fast pace whereas we had a couple of newbe's in our bootcamp and they failed miserably, and they wondered how that could have happened to them?
The reason for this shift is because as you get experience/knowledge, the more advanced level training becomes more targeted/focused and is more digestible in a boot camp format. When you're first starting out, you have a ton of ground to cover and nearly all the information is new, which in itself makes things very difficult to learn and learn fast.
@@JonGoodCyber I do agree Jon about bootcamps are not for the new person, but someone who does have the knowledge already and the concepts in place, then by all means, Bootcamps can be a valuable asset. By the way, I have been hand selected recently by (ISC)2 as a subject matter expert with helping to develop one of their certification examinations for the next generation of cyber security employees and/or applicants for one of their cyber security certification.
@@gilgilbert5866 Participants who most commonly look at bootcamps aren't doing a lot of work ahead of time and rely on the training so that is definitely the primary target audience of this content...but yes, there are of course always exceptions.
Congrats on your selection! By your statement, are you hinting at a NEW entry-level certification from ISC2?
@@JonGoodCyber No entry level certification. The exam I will helping to develop is actually a high level intermediate certification exam to low level expert exam/certification. Thanks for your congrats to me
When the bootcamp says "FREE" "NON PROFIT" "Only recommended that you buy things to stay organized!"...
Is that some gimmicky BS, bait & switch? Because I've got an interview for a BC like that coming up tomorrow.
Am I going to pay out the "A drive" for it?
ETA: Thanks for the upload. When it comes to this stuff, I am a little gun shy.
You have to evaluate the specific program to see if it's actual value or if it's an attempt to sell you more "stuff." Thank you for watching!
Took one and I feel I learned a lot and I felt like I was going somewhere. I graduated, got a sec+ cert, but I'm still looking for a job.
Still I really get the feeling that no one wants us, because we lack the "at least 2-3 years" of experience basically all the job listings want.
It's pretty disheartening.
You should be applying to any entry level IT AND Cyber Security job that list 0-2 years of experience. It's impossible to predict who will call you but starting to get experience will help you get there a lot quicker than waiting around for that first Cyber Security job to call.
@paul Pham, what course did you do? could you mention which one?
@@TheChrystiann It was a Fullstack Academy one
@@JonGoodCyber how much does entry level pay REALLY?
@@michaelb6510 $60-80k in the United States is relatively common for a "true" entry-level position in Cyber Security. Keep in mind that not everybody is fortunate enough to land one of these roles when they first start their career. That means you might have to start in IT first, which those entry-level jobs might only pay $30-50k.
Not at all for a new certification at the entry level, but a certification that has been ongoing for a while but as you know, new exam versions come out every three or so years, well, they need help in developing these new versions, straight from the SME's in the field. I am very humble in my not being an expert in the field, but I do have knowledge, experience and the certification that is going to be needed to develop for the new cycle. I believe there are no such things as experts within this career field as if there were, I guess security breeches would be a thing of the past. To me, Its all about teamwork and everyone doing their jobs they were hired to do in the first place.
The time that a certification has been available doesn't really have anything to do with the ability of students to absorb the amount of material in a short time, such as at a bootcamp. Additionally, the idea of there not being "experts" is silly as there are clearly experts in specific areas of the profession (i.e., subject matter experts or SMEs). However, it's not possible to be an "expert" across the entire spectrum of cybersecurity as it's too broad. The comparison you made is like saying there are no experts in the medical field because people continue to get sick or worse. To use the same comparison, the medical profession has SMEs for specific areas such as the heart, brain, etc.
@@JonGoodCyber Again I only advise bootcamps for only those that need a refresher and not "learning from A-Z" because I have seen it up close and personal as that will never work. So in reference to your interpretation of SME, do you think overall one can be and have expertise in SSO configuration and implementation, x-509 configuration and implementation, secure coding review and ICS? Trust me, my last contract expected those things to be done from higher, but while I was being onboarded to the organization, no current employees within the IT team could manage those tasks successfully.
@@gilgilbert5866 I'm not defending an organization's desire to call for an "expert" in many areas, some of which don't really go together. Nor am I setting a threshold or limit on the number of areas that you can truly be an expert in. You're speaking from a bad experience and I can understand that disconnect that apparently they had because I too have seen it before, but that doesn't mean that's true across the career field.
Thank you more making a video on this. Had a horrible experience with New Horizons incredibly expensive for what you get on your own for fraction of the cost. Additionally as you mentioned it is to condensed to force a certain into a week or so.
**cert**
Thanks for sharing! It's amazing how a lot of training platforms have developed over the last several years and what they offer at a fraction of the cost compared to bootcamps.
I’m going to UT Austin’s boot camp they give you a compTIA voucher that you can use to get the certification of your choosing. As well as doing credible projects for resumes, and tons of job placement help. I’m trying to get my foot in the door of a no degree entry level IT job even if I may not do something cyber security related. I’ll have to try and get a higher paying job so I can get a bachelors in computer science and then combine my on the job experience, boot camp, certifications and degree to land the job I want. It’s a long term investment kinda thing. I hope while doing the boot camp I’ll be able to also pick up another certification or two on my own with what I learn and other materials available for free on RUclips.
Thank you for sharing and good luck! Certainly if they can help you land a job then that's a positive thing and some people prefer the structure of a bootcamp. I hope that everything works out for you and definitely keep me posted!
I was looking into starting this March. What sort of job placement help do they have?
@@MarcoAntonio-by8yo they will help you build your resume, help you be ready for interviews. Help you connect with employers and help you get your name out there. Lots more I’ll be starting in March. Talk to an admissions advisor for more info
@@matthewgriffin1461 update?
It was really helpful. I am glad I found your channel out man. Thank you so much.
I am glad that you are finding the content helpful! You are welcome.
I was initially looking into a boot camp to “get my feet wet” with cyber security not knowing how expensive they could be. How do you recommend I go about getting an idea of if this is good fit for me before jumping straight into the cyber security roadmap you’ve talked about in other videos?
There are several free/low cost ways that you can get a taste of cyber security:
1. Search on RUclips for "day in the life" videos for cyber security
2. Free tutorial videos on RUclips
3. Udemy courses
4. Read security blogs like Darkreading, KrebsonSecurity, etc.
5. Check out my news feed ( www.jongood.com/news ) for more articles
6. Look at my career roadmap in my eBook where I provide entry level certifications that won't take a bunch of time or resources to see if it's enjoyable ( www.jongood.com/getstarted/ )
Thank you!
Good question and I am glad the author responded to you with a great answer.
@@JonGoodCyber Q. So how does this help you get a job an translate to your resume?
"I did youtube classes tought my self then took the exam."
USF offers a 6 month bootcamp for 11k. It comes with unlimited mentoring, mock interviews, salary negotiation tatics ect. You get your comptia security+ after. Is this not worth it? Whats 11k to supposedly what you can make in the field?
@@michaelb6510 there are plenty of bootcamps that are out on the market with varying price tags. Ultimately you have to determine how much value that you put on what a program offers. At the end of a career in this industry (assuming 20+ years), $11k isn't going to be a huge deal but depending on where you are starting, $11k could be hard to fund.
ASU boot camp is really great! Honestly, it's worth it! This is really unmotivated for people...
You are certainly welcome to your opinion. This video is based on my experience with completing a masters program, multiple SANS bootcamps and certifications, several self-studied certifications, and many years of industry experience. This channel (and myself) will never shy away from being transparent.
@@JonGoodCyber I'm not trying to talk sh#t 😅😅😅 just to put it there..
I feel the same its making people doubt themselves every one experience isn’t the same
@@keily8047 I recommend going back through the video because I provide plenty of pros and cons regarding bootcamps. Unfortunately if you didn't know about many of these things before going to a bootcamp and they caused doubt about your decision, you can't reverse the process but you'll be more aware of what to look for in training options for the future. This information is relevant to everybody but you certainly must evaluate individual programs because what they offer does vary.
@@h.eduardolosoya9493 no worries! I appreciate the input. There are definitely programs that have value but unfortunately there are so many options to evaluate so any first-hand experiences with a program is useful. I try to be as objective as possible for people.
To be honest, I see Cyber Security as overly focused to the point where the Security seems independent from Information Technology. Which I view as a downfall. If you consider the common job roles in the workplace, they all have Security responsibilities and I think by separating security, it gives the misconception that everyone is not responsible for security.
Cyber Security spans by area,
Physical Security - Security Consultation Companies
System Security - System Administrator/Engineer
Software/Application Security - Software Developer/Engineer/Architect, Quality Assurance Tester/Engineer
Network Security - Network Administrator/Engineer/Architect
Data Security - Database Administrator/Engineer/Architect
Incident Response/Digital Forensics/Threat Intelligence - Cyber Crime Investigator
Peneration Testing - Auditor/Assessor, Quality Assurance Tester
Red Team - N/A
GRC - N/A
Chief Information Security Officer - Chief Information Officer (IT) and Chief Security Officer (Business) combined
By eliminating redundant roles, Security becomes everyone's responsibility and integrated. If someone on that list doesn't have knowledge of best practices. Then they shouldn't be working in the role.
There are many jobs who have legal and/or human resource responsibilities, but does that mean that they are part of those departments? The reality is that in a mature environment, the function of the security team and department is an independent function and in most situations will serve as an advisory role to the business. IT has a vested interest in availability, which ultimately leads to a conflict of interest with the overall interests of Cyber Security. You are right in that roles like a system administrator will have security responsibilities (patching, secure configurations, etc.) but if the department doing the configuring is also auditing themselves, that creates an internal conflict of interest. I did a video comparing the two If you want more information ( ruclips.net/video/MM6r9NHx5JU/видео.html ).
@@JonGoodCyber Jon, that is called separation of duties. Job rotation/mandatory vocations and principle of least privilege are also recommended practices. Just because someone is a x often times doesn't mean that are all of x doing the same exact thing and at the same time and often times there are more than one person performing a task. Not to mention, formal auditing is supposed to be done by a external group (out of organization) anyway.
The idea of the above is that it allows the organization to scale properly. By putting IT Security in a separate department, you only create a scapegoat. Whenever there is a data or security breach. The first group that gets blamed is the IT Security Department rather than the internal person or group that caused the breach.
Even a Security Operations Center is a specialized Network Operations Center. Why separate best practices by department?
You are correct in that all of these things should be in-place (and yes I know what separate of duties is), however leadership is who sets the priorities of the entire program therefore if there is a conflict of interest, there isn't an unbiased direction. Availability of systems/data is at the core of what IT is measured on in an organization. You also mentioned formal auditing which is a requirement for attestations for laws and regulations, however companies with any kind of structure in-place do not and should not rely solely on an external party to be a watch dog as their time & scope is limited. Massive companies will go even further and separate out the internal auditing function into it's own area.
IT Security by definition is a very limited function, typically focused on security basics such as firewalls (network security), patching, etc. That certainly can be acceptable for a small organization with an immature security program, however with scale, the responsibilities increase to Cyber Security (security operations / monitoring, penetration testing, etc.) and a fully mature program is considered Information Security or Information Assurance, with physical security, auditing, and other additional considerations under their umbrella. As you can see, there is an evolution of the security program as it grows with the company and matures. With that being said, not every team/department will reach this full stage because the company might not need that level of protection and assurance.
Separating the security program from IT does not actually force them into being the scapegoat and in reality shines a light on accountability. By camouflaging the security team within IT, you are really covering up who's responsible for a lack of security...is it the CIO?....is it the security manager?...who knows? Hate it or love it, we are shifting towards a world of higher accountability for a lack of security and security breaches, and this is the way the industry is going because we've learned the traditional way that you've mentioned (security within IT) doesn't work as security matures in an organization.
What do you think about NYU bootcamp program ??
If you look in the fine print it's actually offered by ThriveDX, which is just another training company like the university programs I mention in this video. I recommend using the criteria that I provide in the video and other videos that I have on the channel about training programs to evaluate if it makes sense for your situation and what you expect from the program. All of the information that you need for an entry level role can be learned through self study at a lower cost but again it comes down to what you are expecting.
I just signed up for a cybersecurity intro course with the university of Florida and it’s 17,000 for the bootcamp but you get certication and hands on experience. It’s really expensive but I want to break into tech asap. Thank you for the other suggestions!
I hope you get enough value out of it to make it worth it! Let me know how it goes.
Me too! I want the information to stick so I know what I’m doing right or wrong. But they emphasized on how much hands on experience I will get in the course. I only paid 184 so far for the intro course no strings attached to the course so I’m going to give a try.
The $184 "trial fee" has enticed a lot of people but so far I haven't had anybody report back on how the program went. Also it's actually taught by a company called ThriveDX, not a specific university, because a lot of people don't seem to know that and it's better to make sure people know. One thing that I'm not a fan of is that for all of their courses they phrase like it's a very basic course that requires more preparation to pass a certification exam. _"This will form a foundation for you to later study and sit for the CompTIA Network+ exam* after completing the Network Security course."_
How did it go/how is it going so far?
six months in, how is the UF course?! I may be taking the USF course next week, and its only 9900.
I just signed up for a bootcamp with the University of Wisconsin. Like you said, there are no certifications and I’m pretty sure my brain will swell. It’s a not the 24-week programs like you described here, though. It’s 40 intensive weeks. I start on August 8. I’ll report back here next April and let you know what I experienced.
Thank you for sharing and definitely let me know your experience!
Any update?
Thank you for the info.
Any time!
You are the MAN Jon!!!! Thank you - A
Glad to help!
I’m currently in the Air Force and I’m thinking of applying to New Jersey Technical Institute’s cyber security bootcamp
Certainly if you can get the $17,500 price tag covered by somebody that would be helpful. If you are looking at the bootcamp to help you outside of the Air Force, I would ask about job placements and see if you can't find somebody who has recently gone through the program and got a job for feedback.
Don't do it. Do not go to NJIT. I went there and have applied to hundreds of jobs after getting my NJIT certificate and not one interview. It's a scam.
@@pedalist49 yeah I backed out lol I’m going for my bachelors in cyber security instead
What Cybersecurity certification you think is important? I’m a newbie, I working in my Cybersecurity center at my university, I just trying to quickly absorbed the knowledge and use it for my career after graduation.
I recommend checking out my free eBook ( www.jongood.com/getting-started/ ) where I provide a roadmap of certifications and skills to pursue.
@@JonGoodCyber I’m an Electrical Engineer major what can I do with a Cybersecurity background?
They are two completely different fields so I'm not sure that they are going to relate very often. Typically we might see people go from EE to Cyber Security and then you might be able to do some cool stuff with the hardware, but it's not usually the other way around.
What about the 10 months programs? Harvard and University of Miami are pushing these…
What about them? Just because you slap a Harvard or University of Miami name on the program doesn't all of a sudden make you better prepared for the industry. Typically a lot of these programs follow the same curriculum from the NSA but my view on them is more or less the same as any other university certificate program.
@@JonGoodCyber I am changing careers and trying to figure out the clearest route from point a to point b. 🥴🥴🥴
I recommend grabbing a free copy of my eBook ( www.jongood.com/getstarted/ ) where I provide a roadmap of skills and certifications to pursue.
I’m going to start an intro class that’s 4 weeks to see if it’s for me. It’s 8 classes 6 hrs/week and it’s only $184. If I don’t like I’m only out $184. If I do I can take the rest of the class. This is at University of Wisconsin at Madison.
That bootcamp is actually produced and delivered by a company called ThriveDX and is not a unique offering to University of Wisconsin at Madison because many different universities have the partnership and basically use the exact same website template even. Honestly, I think the only reason why they created the partnership is so that they can charge more because from the website, I get the impression that everything in the program is dealing with ThriveDX, not the university. I'd certainly be interested to hear your thoughts as you progress through the main part of the program.
I don’t see why they are bad because you’re getting your certs, training and job interview help.
I recommend rewatching the video and focusing on the reasons that I provide, but at the end of the day, it's all about the return on your investment, and it's just not there for most of these programs compared to what they promise.
Hey I was wondering what you think of syntax technologies
I don't know much about them specifically but general thoughts:
-They list career services, which I think is an absolute must
-I get concerned when I see training companies offering payment plans that have anything to do with salary. To me that feels a bit predatory.
_"Fees and upcoming batch detail
The online Cyber Security Course fee is $4950 for U.S. & Canada which can be paid upfront or in five installments ($990 every month through Climb Credit). Students would be required to pay tuition part 2 fee which is 1 month gross salary with payment plan (for U.S. & Canada students) after landing a job. We will help you in getting a Job."_
Tq bro......
never attended boot camp......
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Jon, would you say a cybersecurity course at WGU is similar to a bootcamp or would it be considered a better way to go. I particularly found out that self study of fields like the IT is not as easy as it sounds. there are no pathway or syllabus to guide you and you quickly realize you have spent so much time learning everything that it both necessary and unnecessary and that equals wasting so much time without achieving much.
In general, having a degree is better than no degree and WGU will satisfy that requirement for a lot of employers. I recommend checking out my free eBook ( www.jongood.com/getstarted/ ) where I talk about the different types of degree programs that exist. WGU and bootcamps do have similarities in that they focus on certification curriculum but they look different on a resume because of the degree aspect.
As far as a pathway, there are quite a few roadmaps available:
-CompTIA: certification.comptia.org/docs/default-source/downloadablefiles/it-certification-roadmap
-Jon Good (in eBook): www.jongood.com/getstarted/
-Paul Jerimy: pauljerimy.com/
Most roadmaps are going to be based on certifications, however I have included actual skills and what to focus on at various points. To be honest, after you start getting some experience, the path starts to become more clear. With that being said, I do agree that the structure degrees provide can be beneficial in a lot of situations.
Jon Good, thanks a million for this special response. You just helped me fortify my decision to enrol in WGU Cybersecurity program. Thank you dearly.
Glad to help!
@@joyjones5097 I’m graduating with a. Bachelors in Homeland security and emergency management from Grand Canyon University in about 3 months. I was learning about cyber security last week and felt extremely interested in the topic. Started looking at GCUs BS in cybersecurity and it appears to be a pretty good degree. I was a little boo boo that I didn’t see this excite the first time I looked into it, but.. oh well.
If you happen to be a veteran make sure to look into vet tech.
Q: what is your opinion on coding dojo. I saw that they offer cyber security certification, I'm teaching myself programming. So I was wondering about your thoughts on it
And if anything. Is there anywhere that I can learn that would earn me a certificate that is taken seriously. Since bootcamps might not be the road to go
I've personally only really heard of people going to Coding Dojo to learn coding but that certainly doesn't mean that a training company can't add cyber security to their portfolio. You might want to find out more about the instructors because the qualifications that they list aren't overly impressive and for what they're charging, there are definitely better options out there. As far as certifications go, if an employer cares about them then they will only care about industry-recognized ones not those with a seal of approval from training vendors like Code Dojo or even universities. I would check out my free eBook ( jongood.com/getstarted/ ) where I provide a roadmap of skills and certifications to learn and that employers will actually recognize. It's ok to get them through a training provider but you should be pursuing the actual credentials that I list.
@JonGoodCyber hmmm I see. Because I'm in Houston and there is also rice university bootcamp. But I wanna choose one that I guess specializes in cyber security.
Side question. I'm teaching myself programing, like python automation and full stack, will that help me in cyber security? Or is it possible to grow higher with the 2?
The benefit of coding really depends on the job that you get. The majority of Cyber Security jobs have very little coding requirements if any, and typically if you can deal with bash/PowerShell/Python then you'll be fine in all of the jobs. If you want to go to a company that is heavily code-based or if you want to work in Application Security, your requirements might change but those are less common situations.
@JonGoodCyber thanks for all your advice. I really appreciate it. Now I gotta decide if rice university bootcamp is good enough. Or coding dojo or something in Houston lmao
I have started an intro class for CU Boulder cybersecurity boot camp. 10 months and each month on a particular topic and security+ cert upon completion. You are also assigned a career coach halfway through to help with job search, resume, interviews, etc.
I see your comments about the ThriveDX partnership and boot camps in general and just wondering what your thoughts and advice are? Thank you great vid
Since you've already started a program, is there something specific that you're looking for thoughts and advice on?
@@JonGoodCyber the intro course is $180 which is just to get a taste essentially of each month of what’s to come. Then the extended course is around $17k which starts next month so I’m not locked in quite yet. I guess I am wondering if you think this is worth it if you play your cards right and take advantage of the career assistance? I have always been pretty good with computers and love gaming but really I have no experience which was what was attractive about this course.
I figure this is a smarter choice over spending twice as much for a degree and taking extracurricular classes that have nothing to do with your degree. Generally everything I’m reading online is good as far as the credibility of this camp but became slightly skeptical after reading some of the comments on here. I’m curious what someone with some real experience thinks.
Thank you for that explanation. First, I'll say that in this video I give a lot of the criteria that I use to evaluate programs to determine the value that they provide. I'm aware of the overall costs of that specific program and in all honesty, $17k is a pretty expensive price tag for what you actually get. If you reference my free eBook ( jongood.com/getstarted/ ), you can see the exact skills and certifications that are expected and when you do the math of self study, it's going to be significantly less expensive. I have courses on many of the key areas at Cyber Training Pro ( www.cybertrainingpro.com/ ) along with Career Services that is better quality and advice than you'll see in the majority of places, if not all other places...and I definitely don't charge people $17k. Keep in mind that with self study, you do need a certain level of self discipline but a ton of people have found success that way, myself included.
I think your perspective on what a degree provides isn't necessarily accurate. For example, writing classes aren't required to configure a cybersecurity tool yet writing is a crucial skill if you want to be successful and of course there are other benefits such as job opportunities. With that being said, degrees aren't for everybody and they certainly aren't a requirement in many situations.
@@JonGoodCyber I agree that classes as such play a role in building your overall skills but I currently have an associates degree from a local community college so that is why I am leaning towards an accelerated course that is entirely focused on the topic. I think the job assistance is the big thing for me because they claim they help in a big way and ensuring you have the knowledge needed and how to present it to interviewers so you don’t look like someone who can just pass a test.
I am about 75/25 on it learning towards going through with the extended course. I’ve read bad things about programs that sound similar but I just haven’t experienced any of these things people are saying at least in the intro course I’m currently taking. I have always been pretty disciplined when it comes to school and figure I can maximize what I can get out of this course but I will check out your eBook and training services to research more and make sure I have all the info I can get. Thank you for replying
great content!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Very informative.
Glad you liked it!
Here you talk about sans being expensive but worth it, but University programs to be less expensive and not worth it. What areas do university programs deal with compared to sans?
In case that didn’t make sense… I work at a large university in New York that offers bootcamp. It’s 18k. But just the beginning two courses of sans are 14k
SANS training is considered some of the best in the industry and is highly valued by employers. The truth is that SANS invests a ton of money in making sure that the material is current and is developed by industry professionals. Unfortunately, in programs that are offered through Universities, you don't always get instructors with the same professional background or you have programs that don't see the same kind of investment to develop, so they end up not providing as much value. I will also point out that SANS training is targeted at businesses sending their staff, not for people to self fund so they aren't typically compared for the kind of situation that you're talking about and are for once you are established in a Cyber Security career.
@@JonGoodCyber I understand now. This makes sense. thanks for the response. I very much appreciate it.
Anyone in here thinking of doing the UCLA Cybersecuirty Bootcamp, I am interested and motivated just by thinking about it (did the application) but I think $13k for a course of 6 months is a lot. Coursera anyone?
$13k for a bootcamp is so expensive. Honestly if you are set on a bootcamp, look at some of the vocational training companies like New Horizons (or many others out there). University bootcamps don't offer the same value as degrees so it's not worth paying the high price tag trying to go through the university for name recognition. I also recommend checking out Cyber Training Pro ( www.cybertrainingpro.com/ ).
Thank you!! This was helpful!!
I completely disagree. They are worth it.
Everybody is welcome to their own opinion. My stance is based on experience with all different training options including degree programs, bootcamps, and self study. With that being said, there are certainly specific situations where my advice might differ based on the objectives somebody is trying to accomplish.
How was your experience
Hey! Thanks for this video! If I want to enter the field, is there any program that is quick and informative? I don’t have any IT background. Do you know about the NYU cyber security boot camp? I don’t mind the cost if it will teach me
Quick as an a quick introduction? There is a lot of information that you need to learn to get into this field and even more to learn so that you can do well, so I would look at it as a marathon to avoid burning out. If you want a relatively quick introduction to IT and Cyber Security, you can look at the CompTIA ITF+, which covers a lot of basic information but it will give you a taste of what it's like. I'm not specifically familiar with NYU's program, but two positives that I see on their website is a lot of talk about industry-recognized certifications and the curriculum is what I would consider fairly standard. I would ask them about job placement percentages and if you can, try to talk to somebody who recently went through the program for their review. Cost-wise, it seems aligned with most programs offered through universities that tend to be on the higher end of the scale.
how do you feel about programs that offer income share agreements? I'm going through a second interview for a program that does this
Personally I'm not really a fan because my first assumption is the third party gets some kind of control to your income or bank account. I would rather take a loan than agree to give somebody so much control. Also, a lot of entry level certifications and training can be had for relatively low costs (~$500 or less for each of A+, Network+, and Security+) that will help get you a job.
Need help getting into a good boot camp for cyber security
Make sure to use the criteria provided to help assess any potential boot camp option although I don't typically recommend them. One training platform that I highly recommend checking out is Cyber Training Pro ( www.cybertrainingpro.com/ ), which offers both Cyber Security training and career services.
Georgia Tech Cyber and Network Security Boot Camp Is this course only theoretical or is it practical and will it be useful for applying for jobs?
Based on their website, you will get hands on training for various topics. I would contact them and get a better understanding if they actually prepare you enough to pass industry accepted certifications. They list the Security+ and CEH but the way they list it makes me think that you aren't going to cover all of the domains and in that case it's not that much different than self studying. I always tell people that if you're going to go through a program to jumpstart your journey, you better get either industry accepted certifications or a degree...otherwise it's 100% not worth it. A "certificate" from a university is not the same thing in this career field.
@@JonGoodCyber so do you recommend to take it ?
I seriously need help or I can get an associates the boot camp is 10 months and promises 6 certificates but I just don’t know I’m 18 and fresh out of high school and I just don’t know
The first thing that I recommend is checking out my free eBook ( www.jongood.com/getstarted/ ) and make sure that the program at least aligns with getting you the foundational skills and certifications that I provide. I would also reach out to the program to see if they have any job placement or career coaching services included to help you land a job after the program. In all honesty, at your age, an associates degree is a relatively inexpensive option (usually) and it will give you opportunities to develop some of your soft skills (hopefully) while being around people of a similar age.
Hi , I have a question about sans : can you take those certifications online ??
And is this good for people with 0 knowledge or you need previous training.
SANS only produces the training but the certifications are from GIAC. You can find the current information about testing on their website ( www.giac.org/get-certified/proctoring/ ) but as of today it does say that you can test online/remotely.
They have a lot of different trainings and certifications meant for various levels of professionals. Most people aren't able to attend these trainings or get the certifications because they are quite expensive. I recommend starting with the roadmap in my free eBook ( jongood.com/getstarted/ ).
@@JonGoodCyber
Thanks 👍🏼👋🏼.
Hi Jon. I am new to your channel.
Do you recommend me doing the cyber security bachelor and the masters as well ?
Welcome! Most people in IT and Cyber Security, don't typically do the same subject for their Bachelor and Master degrees. For example, if I had a Cyber Security Bachelor degree then I would be much more likely to get an MBA or something that compliments my other degree. Likewise, if you had an undergrad degree in Business then I would recommend a Master's in Cyber Security. The big reason is that industry certifications like the CISSP are going to help whichever degree you have shine but doubling up on degrees in the same subject (outside of Computer Science or a PhD level) is probably not going to have much impact compared to the cost and time required.
@@JonGoodCyber Thank you for your answer Jon. I decided to go for the cyber security BSc and then I will find out the future.
Something in me kept saying that doing BSc and masters in cyber security can defuinitely help facilitate my options when it comes to securing a job in the industry.
I was interested in joining the cyber bootcamp Nexus at the University of Michigan. It's a 10 month program, 2 days out the week. The language they are teaching is python. If you get a chance can you take look at it & tell me your thoughts. Thanks!
In all honesty, most universities are going with centralized learning providers that aren't taught by their university professors and that's what this looks like to me. That doesn't necessarily mean that the program is bad but it's something to be aware of when looking at programs. The program curriculum looks fine as far as getting you the basics but honestly, I tend to steer people away from university certificate programs and bootcamps because universities are notorious for overcharging in those programs and you won't get the same value as a degree from the university no matter which one it is. Vocational bootcamps and professional training organizations tend to have a better return on your investment for non degree training, and will usually cost less.
Have you heard of CyberSec what are your thoughts on their program?
I have not but hopefully you can find some reviews and let us know if you decide to go down that route. The biggest things to consider are cost, time required, and can they actually help you get a job.
Should I do it if it’s offered for free for unemployment program?
If it's free and they have a solid curriculum, then there's nothing wrong with check it out. The problem is usually the cost to the attendee compared the return that a bootcamp provides.
How do you feel about QuickStart learning boot camp for cyber security? Its a 6 1/2 month course partnered with a major university.
It looks like they fly through a lot of material quicker than I think brand new people can keep pace with. Sometimes just being able to chew on the information some and having time to breathe leads to better learning. The part about the university partnering doesn't really matter to me unless you are going to actually get a degree. It seems to me that a lot of programs that try to partner with universities end up trying to charge more than those that don't. I suppose it gives it a little credibility and probably makes it easier to finance but that just reinforces the part about being able to charge more.
Yes they are charging $6500 payed within 12 months ensuring to find a job once you finish the program. Have you interview ready, resume and portfolio ready. With access to 2 1on1 zoom calls throughout the week and a lil more help if needed.
@supremeg1z did you take it? I'm thinking about going with quickstart
So do you suggest self study for someone with no experience.
Everybody is different and it really depends on what you expect to get out of the training. I recommend watching my video talking about how much it costs to learn Cyber Security ( ruclips.net/video/-3lqDhg4x00/видео.html ).
@@JonGoodCyber I'll check out the video. I would like to get to a place where I can apply at least for an entry level position. Currently in Healthcare and I want to completely transition
You'll also be interested in my free eBook's roadmap ( jongood.com/getstarted/ ).
U should review the new bootcamp by university of Central Florida
It's not really "new" and is actually offered by a third-party company called ThriveDX through partnerships with a lot of universities. Based on their publicly available information, the program gives you foundational knowledge for a few certifications but doesn't fully prepare you. Additionally, the more I see this program, the more my belief is that they partnered with universities so that they can charge students more money. The university programs that I mentioned in this video are basically the same thing offered through a different vendor.
@@JonGoodCyber my employer said he would pay $5,250 of 17,800 but I was still iffy. What do u think?
There are less expensive options out there that will give you better results. Look up places like New Horizons and countless other vocational-based training programs that aren't tied to a university. The "bootcamps" that universities have like this one don't give you the value that comes with a degree, and you don't get the industry certifications that employers want so it's not really that beneficial for the price.
Sounds like a degree in Cybersecurity is better than bootcamp.
Yes a degree is better. You just need to find a good university! Bootcamp is all fast and condensed and you pretty get confused and learn nothing. Get a degree and come here on RUclips to improve your knowledge in scripting language like Python etc...
Where you are in your career plays a big role in which one is more valuable but degrees are hard for companies to overlook.
@@gilfernando7623 how long is the degree route?
Good stuff! Would you say a cyber security boot camp is beneficial for experienced insurance cyber underwriters? I think learning a little bit about everything would be beneficial but have noticed from your other videos that many certs require IT specific experience to even obtain. What would you suggest?
You certainly could start looking at certifications like the Network+ and Security+ from CompTIA. Unfortunately to accurately assess risk, you need a fairly strong understanding of technology and how security fits into the equation so at the end of the day, you will probably still need an expert in cyber security to help you.
I just signed up for a 10-month Bootcamp.. SDSU Global powered by Thrive DX. Paid $184 when I only now have $250 ish to my name. Did I just screw up? :S
I hope you read the fine print because the $180 is for 30 hours of introduction material and the full program costs $15,820 ( digitalskills.sdsu.edu/cybersecurity-bootcamp/ ). This is just a tactic that they have been using for a little bit to try and get people to sign up.
@@JonGoodCyber is it too late for me to turn back? Or should I commit. What do you recommend as someone who's very experienced in your field. I'm trying to get into the CyberSec field
You need to speak with the program and see what the deadlines are and what options you have if any. I would imagine that you can bail at some point during that introduction period but I can't speak for their policies. Keep in mind that I'm not telling you that you have to bail if that's the route that you want to go but I think it's also important that you know what you're signing up for. I recommend checking out my Getting Started page ( jongood.com/getstarted/ ) and grabbing my free eBook because I've laid out the resources, certifications and skills that will be expected of an entry level candidate.
@@JonGoodCyber Thank you Jon, I'll heed your advice!
@@ryuu__official how is it going.. update please..
UW Madison bootcamp, reach out to, there pitch is the 1st 30 hours of class time cost 180.00, afterwards it would cost 17k. Since I will be new to all this is it worth the $180 as a beginner?
If you were going to start a program like that, why would you stop after the first 30 hours? For $180, you aren't going to get any industry-recognized certifications and I'm assuming that first 30 hours is pretty basic. The way that I evaluate bootcamps in this video still holds true for a program like that because the $180 for 30 hours is more of a marketing tactic in my eyes.
@@JonGoodCyber Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Not Jon Good, Jon Excellent
Thank you for the feedback!
Would you recommend a cyber security bootcamp if it's paid for by the military?
You certainly can but I still recommend using the information provided in this video to assess different options to get the most value out of whichever program that you choose.
@@JonGoodCyber I'm in between enrolling in one that is 3 months long and 6 months long. I believe the one that is 6 months has more certifications.
You might also look at some of the veteran stuff that SANS does depending on if you qualify for their program. ( www.sans.org/scholarship-academies/vetsuccess/ )
@@JonGoodCyber Yeah I have a call with admissions with them this week. I want to do sans after i get a job first. I'd love to reach out to you if you have any time?
Awesome! If you ever get a chance to do SANS training, I wouldn't delay it because it's some of the most valuable industry training that you can have on your resume. You can always book a coaching session with me ( jongood.com/services/ ), which will show you my availability.
thank you sir
You are welcome!
NC State Bootcamp says they have interactive classes 9 month program. Sounds like what I am looking for. Are you familiar?
I've had people ask me about that specific program before but haven't heard anything past initial questions about it. From what I see on the courses it's pretty standard curriculum. Some of the subjects towards the end tend to be a little more advanced in nature so I'm skeptical about how deep they cover them. It looks like it's offered through a third party "ThriveDX" ( digitalskills.continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/faq/ ) and the tuition cost is definitely starting to get on the higher end without giving you a degree or any mention of industry certifications.
@@JonGoodCyber thanks for the response. I decided not to go with them as they only offer "knowledge" to take the certs. For 15k no certs, no degrees and 3rd party/affiliate of NCU- there is no leverage. I am now looking into WGU who offers a degree, 14 certs, possible financial aid, scholarships, grants.
No problem and I'm glad to help. That makes a lot of sense because $15k is pretty pricey to not even get any certifications that employers want.
I am currently in the NC State bootcamp by ThriveDx (formerly HackerU) . The Bootcamp does work if you apply yourself and do extra studying on the side along with all the labs and show up for class every session. It is not a magic pill, but it's a good program with pros and cons. With that being said, 5 students have already obtained jobs before the course ended. We are a little over a week from the end of the course and Our first student got a job a 3 months ago. The course is 10 months total. The first month , the introduction, you pay $500. At the end of the introduction, you can decide not to go on. if you decide to move forward, then its $15500 for another 9 months. The instructors are industry workers in Cyber Security. They aren't just professors at a college where you will get a 4 year degree. I think the better education for a fast start is not a traditional 4 year degree. A degree program certainly does have benefits, but it will not get you started in a job as quickly. I hope this helps. I will be starting a job search soon, so if you want additional information on my experience after the course and finding a job, feel free to message me here.
@@jamesh.2015 I’m interested to see how it turns out for you. I’m in the LB state version also by ThriveDX. I’m currently enrolled in the intro stage. Deciding whether I should enroll in the extension courses.
What are your thoughts on level effect? They have credit transfers over to purdue university if you end up needing more and it’s fairly inexpensive for a bootcamp
I'm not super familiar with them but based on research this is what I see:
1. I didn't see a mention of certifications. The industry wants to see these so it's hard for me to recommend anything that doesn't include or at least encourage their pursuit.
2. They cover a lot of what I would consider advanced topics for somebody brand new so either they assume that you have a decent amount of knowledge going in, or it's a very high overview which doesn't really help in knowing how to do certain tasks.
@@JonGoodCyber they have a prerequisite course you have to take before enrolling and I believe they give a certification called the CDCP but I know most jobs want something more known, thanks for your input, I’ll definitely take into consideration, I hope you enjoy your day
Yeah I saw their foundational course but it's only valuable if employers recognize it because otherwise you'll just get removed from consideration quickly when everybody else has the known certifications. Glad to help!
I have a year to prepare. And I have almost zero knowledge about cyber security, I work best hands on, with someone there to show me xyz. Is there a recommended program or is there like a trade school for cyber security?
I typed this as soon as you got to the part retaining to me lol
Glad that I could help!
agreed
Thanks for watching!
Sir, I am a post graduate in IT but i am doing another PG bootcamp program in CyberSecurity in India. Its 12 months course, they are partnered with israel based Cybersecurity firm named thrivedx. This is kind of a work integrated PG program so its 2 days a week, 2 hours a day. They are also providing me a free attempt of CompTIA security+ certificate voucher i guess. 1 month internship or a capstone project will be there and placement assistance upto 6 months in MNC's and there is a contract on this placement promise. Do you think this is a good deal sir? The course price is around 2000 dollars
What does the work integrated bootcamp consist of? Are you working an actual job in IT or Cyber that pays a reasonable salary, or is it more like an internship that doesn't pay well compared to a standard job? Also when you say post graduate in IT, does that mean you have an actual degree or does that just mean a bootcamp? If you have a degree in IT, I would look at landing an actual job and then supplement that with cyber security studies on the side (for example studying Security+). That is a situation where I wouldn't be looking to keep stacking on the pure education format because you're not going to make up as much ground as getting an actual job like I mentioned. The bootcamp might make sense if you absolutely couldn't land a job, for example going 6 months with nothing after lots of applications, but the bootcamp is already duplicating some of what you should have learned in your IT studies.
Cost-wise for a bootcamp, $2,000 isn't crazy at least in the U.S. because it would be manageable to recover the costs relatively quickly, but in some countries it might not be as easy.
@@JonGoodCyber Post graduate in IT i have an actual degree. But i wanted to do specialization in Networking and Cyber Security. Thats my favorite subject in CS. I have an experience as an intern in Full Stack Development, i wanted to apply in security field actually, but due to university policies and unavailability of such job roles in our region, i couldnt. This might sound ridiculous to you but, I had no plans to go for software development but i wanted to score decent marks. So i had no other option rather than applying as a full stack intern. As of now, now that i dont want to apply as a developer, I actually dont have a job for like 6 months. My objective is to get a push on my CV so that better companies get exposure to my resume. My application was getting rejected consistently for unknown reasons when i tried applying for security or administrator field. Although i know there are applicant tracking systems deployed in MNC's but it hurts me a lot after seeing myself as a well qualified individual with good grades and knowledge. I was literally in the mode of "Analysis-Paralysis". I would really appreciate your support here. Thanks man :-)
And yes this is where I applied
risewpu.com/pg-program-in-cyber-security/
Were you just applying to security jobs? I tell anybody new to apply to any IT or Cyber Security job that lists anything 0 to 2 years of experience because the most important thing is that you get a job in either and start building experience. In all honesty, internships are good for personal experience but employers don't put a lot of work experience value in them because the actual work you do is pretty limited. I would just make sure the cost is comparable to other programs in your area and that you can afford it before making the jump.
What's your opinion on per scholas? I am fresh in this world and trying to figure out how to do this. Is it better to get it certs and work help dest for a while or just jump into cyber security?
I don't know much about it other than some quick research. I will say that based on the fact that their "Security Fundamentals" course teaches you about A+ makes me question the entire program and how accurate it is. The challenge really isn't having the choice of help desk or jumping into cyber security because it's dependent on you being able to get the skills, get an interview, and land the job. Typically people have an easier time landing a help desk for their first role, and that does allow for you to build a solid foundation before you break into cyber security but it's not an absolute requirement.
@@JonGoodCyber my plane is to get network+ and maybe a+ and go for a help desk for 6mo-1yr and in that time get security+ and another cert and go from there. Does that sound about right?
Take a look at my free eBook ( www.jongood.com/getstarted/ ) where I provide a roadmap of skills and certifications that you should be pursuing. From a high level you have the right idea except getting the A+ after the Network+ is kind of like taking a step backwards.
@@JonGoodCyber this is all great information. I have read your ebook and it really opened my eyes to what I need to do. What's your opinion on the Google it support cert?
Excellent and glad that it has helped. It looks like Google tries to combine some of the A+ and Network+ knowledge into one certification. With that being said, I'm sure there is some knowledge that you could learn from it but CompTIA has really established themselves as the entry level certification provider in the industry so I would prioritize their certifications first.
Hi ,I want to go to spain ...so , can I take bootcamp syber security course .pls tell me is it beneficial for me or not ? Can I get visa for taking this course ? Plss reply 🙏🙏
You will have to evaluate the specific program using the information that I provide in this video to see if it is worth it or not. Regarding visas, I would look at the government website on visas for Spain or whichever country that you are considering for the most accurate information.
@@JonGoodCyber ok thank u sir
Have you have heard about EdX?
Yes I have heard of EdX. The biggest problem right out of the gate with EdX is that you can't find any courses on CompTIA's Security+ or ISC2's CISSP. The reason why this is such a big issue is because employers are looking for those types of industry recognized certifications and they could careless about IBM's Entry-Level course certificate. I am not saying that courses on the EdX platform are useless when it comes to learning because they probably do have some useful content, but when it comes to the biggest return on investment (money and/or time), you need to use the best options possible that fit within your situation.
What you think about Boyd Clewis?
From the minimal amount that I've seen he seems to have relevant information to share but I don't have an opinion past that. The thing about Cyber Security is that we have lots of knowledgeable professionals in our industry but historically our knowledge sharing hasn't been in the mainstream spotlight. That means there are likely many people on platforms like RUclips that we might never have heard of but they have things that they bring to the table that people can benefit from.
@@JonGoodCyber Thank you Mr. Good for the information. Would you say that his Baxter Academy is a good route to go coming in at a price of 3k?
Unfortunately, the site is heavy on marketing material and light on actual substance of what you learn. If it were me, I wouldn't sign up for the program because I don't have enough information to tell if it's worth the price or not and that concerns me, especially at a higher price point.
@@JonGoodCyber Thank you very much. Sounds like Horizon is the best best bet!
Do you know anything about StationX?
Not really but from what I see it looks like a fairly standard training platform. They have instructors that I'm familiar with listed on their site, which is always helpful.
What you think about Umass global boot camp..
Besides the criteria that I mention in this video that I recommend you use to evaluate any program, I only see that program mention the Security+ which makes the program fairly expensive.
Do you meant boot camp are not worth it..
What is the best way to earn cyber security certification..
As far as bootcamps go, this video goes into detail about how I feel and the things to look for so I recommend focusing on those things as you re-watch this video. For passing certifications quickly, I recommend checking out the playlist that I created ( ruclips.net/p/PLErQ2qAXz3roVFEOnIXx5jO-7y2MSLryr ).
have you heard of leveleffect
No but to be fair, there are hundreds if not thousands of programs out there.
how is springboard cyber security bootcamp?
It appears to be an overpriced Security+ bootcamp.
What do you think about NYU bootcamp program ??
If you look in the fine print it's actually offered by ThriveDX, which is just another training company like the university programs I mention in this video. I recommend using the criteria that I provide in the video and other videos that I have on the channel about training programs to evaluate if it makes sense for your situation and what you expect from the program. All of the information that you need for an entry level role can be learned through self study at a lower cost but again it comes down to what you are expecting.