This is What Latin ACTUALLY Sounded Like

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  • Опубликовано: 14 мар 2022
  • Here’s what Classical Latin actually sounded like and how we know. Scholars have figured out the accurate pronunciation of Latin over the years through some careful and clever methods, and today, fluent Latin speakers like ‪@polyMATHY_Luke‬ can even speak how the ancient Romans actually spoke Latin!
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  • @heddamalm
    @heddamalm 2 года назад +11486

    My Latin teacher told us the best quote ever:
    "Latin is as dead as dead can be. First it killed the Romans and now it's killing me."

    • @whitesock08
      @whitesock08 2 года назад +154

      Underrated

    • @gordonlekfors2708
      @gordonlekfors2708 2 года назад +141

      this quote is old. I don't remember who came up with it, but I will say that it *is* not underrated, but actually used a little too often in classics.

    • @gungungun9yago
      @gungungun9yago 2 года назад +17

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @ahwabanmukherjee5065
      @ahwabanmukherjee5065 Год назад +50

      I feel the same about learning Sanskrit in school for two years. First it killed my ancestors then it killed me.

    • @mysteriousopinionatedperso1508
      @mysteriousopinionatedperso1508 Год назад +6

      Mine used that too! Latin teachers always have the best quotes

  • @noelmartinez6704
    @noelmartinez6704 2 года назад +6932

    Glad I got to hear what it sounded like for half a nano second.

    • @therealspeedwagon1451
      @therealspeedwagon1451 2 года назад +60

      I can actually understand him. It’s basic Latin but that’s the main type of Latin I have at the back of my head

    • @tabularasa
      @tabularasa 2 года назад +134

      Yes, the title of the video is misleading. The history lesson is okay, but he doesn't deliver the sound, except for one guy simply introducing himself. False advertising clickbait, shame. Too much content for a short form video

    • @adonaiyah2196
      @adonaiyah2196 2 года назад +4

      I was about to doxx this xiamia whatever this mf called... making me wait a minute to watch a millisecond of content

    • @austindavid1862
      @austindavid1862 2 года назад +11

      @@adonaiyah2196 Xiaoma would box you up don’t cap 🧢

    • @adonaiyah2196
      @adonaiyah2196 2 года назад +2

      @@austindavid1862 im not gonna take any sht from a dude called Austin...who wears backwards baseball caps

  • @keziahschuler2617
    @keziahschuler2617 Год назад +847

    I think the words you are looking for to describe the two different pronunciations are “Classical” and “Ecclesiastical “. Classical Latin is what the guy at the end is speaking, ecclesiastical is more commonly known as “Church Latin”. They are really only different in pronunciation and number of letters, but the distinction still divides the Latin-learning community.

    • @chromberries7329
      @chromberries7329 8 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah but how is he gonna pronounce that

    • @HaleyOnTheRocks
      @HaleyOnTheRocks 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@chromberries7329because it’s a word that’s been said many times by many English speaking people before 👁️ 👄 👁️

    • @t.j.armendariz354
      @t.j.armendariz354 14 дней назад +1

      Ask most teachers teach classical not ecclesiastical

  • @notshadowskai
    @notshadowskai Год назад +161

    When your Latin teacher taught you all of this in high school with correct pronunciations-

    • @overlorde7526
      @overlorde7526 Год назад +24

      yeah I was just thinking, my teacher definitely taught us everything that he's saying isn't taught

    • @Egilhelmson
      @Egilhelmson Год назад

      @@overlorde7526 The conversion from teaching Liturgical Latin to Classical Latin in Latin Language classes only started about 1900, so our auctioneer hasn’t caught up yet.
      Luke can apparently handle pre-Classical Latin too. His channel is polyMathy

    • @thewerepyreking
      @thewerepyreking 9 дней назад +3

      It's more common to do it that way in US schools. He probably didn't take Latin in high school or do much research.

  • @jochem420
    @jochem420 2 года назад +1921

    They actually spoke at 1.5x speed in ancient Rome

    • @JudgeJulieLit
      @JudgeJulieLit Год назад +18

      Per "the sparks of life that should be in a Roman" in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

    • @priyenswiss2002
      @priyenswiss2002 Год назад +20

      so when someone doesn't understood they pressed the 0.5x button

  • @justm7524
    @justm7524 2 года назад +12688

    Me pretending to understand everything: 🙂🙂

    • @annoyingweebs7928
      @annoyingweebs7928 2 года назад +31

      Yeah 🤣

    • @heyarinslife
      @heyarinslife 2 года назад +89

      I feel like I gained and loss a brain cell at the same time.

    • @cameronbell7914
      @cameronbell7914 2 года назад +10

      🙂

    • @moath3810
      @moath3810 2 года назад +31

      Short cut: c is actually prounced as k so ceaser is the same as keaser

    • @justm7524
      @justm7524 2 года назад +2

      @@moath3810 💃🫂

  • @b.k.5667
    @b.k.5667 Год назад +1999

    As a German. We pronounce Caesar with a Z sound, not with a K sound. Kaiser is a word which stems from Caesars name meaning emperor

    • @isrulius
      @isrulius Год назад +97

      No you don’t

    • @b.k.5667
      @b.k.5667 Год назад +219

      @@isrulius yes we do

    • @isrulius
      @isrulius Год назад +62

      @@b.k.5667 no you don’t

    • @b.k.5667
      @b.k.5667 Год назад +227

      @@isrulius I think I know more about my native language than you

    • @isrulius
      @isrulius Год назад +185

      @@b.k.5667 I’m American so I know more about world languages than you even it’s your “native language”

  • @jaymakak
    @jaymakak Год назад +75

    Rumor has it, this guy can stutter in 8 languages.

    • @nox6855
      @nox6855 Месяц назад +3

      52 languages I think now

    • @user-io2vk4nt8n
      @user-io2vk4nt8n 28 дней назад +1

      And you can only do it in one!

    • @jaymakak
      @jaymakak 27 дней назад +1

      @@user-io2vk4nt8n Sorry, fanboi. I am fluent in 5, and never stutter.

    • @nox6855
      @nox6855 27 дней назад +1

      @@jaymakak damn, what languages do you speak? I'm 15 fluent in English and Spanish, speak a little German and learning Croatian

  • @darthzayexeet3653
    @darthzayexeet3653 2 года назад +3838

    This man could fit this story into 1 minute, so he sped it up. What a madman

    • @minhuang8848
      @minhuang8848 2 года назад +124

      If only there were a normal, popular video site that allowed people to post more lengthy footage
      I mean, I get it, the algo and folks just not bothering with longer vids and all that... but shorts and people having to increasingly rely on them bother me a bit.

    • @MbeziAmsterdam
      @MbeziAmsterdam 2 года назад +11

      @@minhuang8848 you are writing this on the RUclips platform? The place were people do just that..

    • @Murimz
      @Murimz 2 года назад +50

      @@MbeziAmsterdam nah reaallyyyyyyyyyyy? Its almost like they were being SARCASTIC???

    • @iameli330
      @iameli330 2 года назад +12

      @@MbeziAmsterdam OH tysm! 😋😍😊💗I thought I was on tiktok 😩🥺😔💙

    • @amamsurri5454
      @amamsurri5454 2 года назад +2

      @@minhuang8848 there is a full length to all of this maybe do your research before you complain about a nonexistent problem

  • @JohnDoe-kv4ef
    @JohnDoe-kv4ef 2 года назад +17369

    "I'm gonna show you what classical latin sounded like"
    Speaks for a good 99% of the video in English and then shows someone else speaking latin for 1.43 seconds

    • @Major_Rain
      @Major_Rain 2 года назад +90

      Ikr wtf 😂

    • @avnn.1851
      @avnn.1851 2 года назад +365

      Well he didn’t lie 🙃 he didn’t say “I’m gona speak correct Latin” he just said he was gona show you what it sounds like and he did lol

    • @JazzyB9481
      @JazzyB9481 2 года назад +294

      I thought his explanation beforehand was helpful and interesting 🙂

    • @mahnli
      @mahnli 2 года назад +14

      Exactly. Ridiculous.

    • @Anthony-fh2bp
      @Anthony-fh2bp 2 года назад +28

      Earned a dislike for that bs

  • @ajensen8366
    @ajensen8366 Год назад +5

    This is exactly what I'm being taught in school for pronunciation

  • @i_am_a_music_maker5212
    @i_am_a_music_maker5212 Год назад +8

    That’s how my Latin teacher taught us to pronounce the words

  • @czyko
    @czyko 2 года назад +1788

    This is actually how I was taught Latin when I was in school

    • @anthonyjohnson1227
      @anthonyjohnson1227 2 года назад +120

      Same! I was waiting at first to see what my Magistra taught wrong, and she taught the same stuff lol

    • @richardparadox163
      @richardparadox163 2 года назад +100

      Same. Church Latin might be different, but modern Latin taught in US schools is based on the latest historical evidence. Although this was my first time hearing about dropping the m.

    • @IAmNotSnowcat
      @IAmNotSnowcat 2 года назад +13

      Same! My latin teacher talks like that too

    • @ricplays5905
      @ricplays5905 2 года назад +33

      I live in Rome and they teach us a latin called "scolastic latin" that basically has italian pronunciation and the only thing that you have to look out for when reading is "ae", "oe", "ti+vocal" which are dittongs and are pronounved differently

    • @hthumbs4072
      @hthumbs4072 2 года назад

      Same!

  • @testudo2203
    @testudo2203 2 года назад +13155

    I wonder if there will be a video someday : "White guy speaks perfect Latin. Romans shocked"

    • @GigiGuitar
      @GigiGuitar 2 года назад +292

      Only old church people understand latin nowadays

    • @texanwokey8366
      @texanwokey8366 2 года назад +395

      @@GigiGuitar nah people in Italy do, but typically more modern latin versus clasical

    • @stickynotedds
      @stickynotedds 2 года назад +374

      The RUclipsr at the end literally made this video. The people in Rome didn't understand him at all because they all speak Italian now.

    • @SHISH_STYLE
      @SHISH_STYLE 2 года назад +75

      In Italy there is a type of highschool that middle school children can choose that teach latin so a lot of people learn basic latin, I think about 40% of the population has studied it or maybe even more

    • @GigiGuitar
      @GigiGuitar 2 года назад +50

      @@SHISH_STYLE I studied latin in high school. Some people also studied ancient greek... Tho less than 20% of the people studied latin in italy... These days is less common to have it in school

  • @KestlerTV
    @KestlerTV Месяц назад +1

    All I remember is, “Bestiarius salutat” 😂😂

  • @ZombieBacon13
    @ZombieBacon13 Год назад +28

    My Latin teacher in high school would travel around the world just to speak Latin with people 😂. Now I’m sure it’s just over video chat but this was justtt before that became super widespread

    • @orchdork775
      @orchdork775 Год назад +2

      That's so cool! Imagine being so passionate about something that you travel the world for it

    • @paulo0651
      @paulo0651 5 месяцев назад

      he came in you?

  • @stephanief5794
    @stephanief5794 2 года назад +478

    this is literally how it’s taught in schools. we aren’t taught ecclesiastical latin lol

    • @magicmulder
      @magicmulder 2 года назад +26

      If you’re lucky. Too many schools still teach the outdated pronunciation rules where Caesar is KAY-sar and “veni” is “VEH-nee”.

    • @tuluppampam
      @tuluppampam 2 года назад +11

      @@magicmulder they're different pronunciations and both makes sense
      The restored Roman pronunciation (the one the video talks about) was used before the first century AD
      The ecclesiastical pronunciation is closer to Latin spoken during the first century and a bit after that, though not much due to the language changes, making the pronunciation different from how it was written

    • @yoku651
      @yoku651 Год назад +16

      @@tuluppampam This isn't correct in the slightest. Real Romans literally never used the ecclesiastical pronunciation, they used the local vernacular (vulgar Latin) as the spoken language, and classical Latin as the written language (this is known as a diglossia). Spoken Ecclesiastical pronunciation wasn't a thing until 9th century CE and didn't gain traction in the entirety of Europe for another couple centuries after.

    • @comically_large_cowboy_hat3385
      @comically_large_cowboy_hat3385 Год назад +2

      just not true innit….idk where you’re from but i took latin for 2 years in school and it was ecclesiastical latin

    • @ivanpatarcic73
      @ivanpatarcic73 Год назад +1

      ​@@magicmulder how else would you pronounce "veni"??

  • @RogueNeighShun
    @RogueNeighShun 2 года назад +604

    Is there a longer, more indepth video about this???? SO interesting! I need a full, normal speed video!

    • @lazarustaxon7775
      @lazarustaxon7775 2 года назад +46

      Metatron, Polymathy (linked in the description), Scorpio Martianus, etc. all cover the Latin language far more in-depth.

    • @looptimelapse
      @looptimelapse 2 года назад +11

      there is a search bar on your youtube app, or on the browser
      also, magic word

    • @zombiebeast8521
      @zombiebeast8521 2 года назад +13

      @@looptimelapse …

    • @BixbyConsequence
      @BixbyConsequence 2 года назад +4

      @@zombiebeast8521 "please"

    • @BarryB.Benson
      @BarryB.Benson 2 года назад +10

      Search up “Pronouncing “Caesar” wrong… ?!” Its the same guy in this video explaining how to pronounce it

  • @JC839
    @JC839 Год назад +9

    There were probably so many different dialects, accents, local variations and differing levels of education on Latin back then that probably people from different parts of the empire spoke “Latin” but probably couldn’t understand each other completely

    • @samaraisnt
      @samaraisnt Год назад +2

      Yup! That's how we got Italian, Spanish, Sicillian, Portuguese and all the other Romance languages eventually...from big daddy Latin.

    • @reigenlucilfer6154
      @reigenlucilfer6154 Год назад

      no.

    • @moisepicard9701
      @moisepicard9701 Год назад

      ​@@samaraisntFrench is Big Daddy. No language or culture could ever compare to French.

    • @bitmelody2616
      @bitmelody2616 3 месяца назад

      ​@@moisepicard9701the whole world used to belong to France but they felt bad for the other people so they gave away their land because France is a friendly country

  • @SUB2D
    @SUB2D Год назад +6

    I swear this guy could live anywhere at any time period…

  • @ericlee2433
    @ericlee2433 2 года назад +286

    wait this is literally just how my latin teacher teaches us

    • @Lilhaggis747
      @Lilhaggis747 2 года назад +8

      Except this doesn’t take into account the multiple accents that people who spoke Latin would have spoke in.

    • @darunealbane
      @darunealbane 2 года назад

      @@Lilhaggis747 which makes the people who "know" how it was spoken are full of 💩

    • @glossonauta
      @glossonauta 2 года назад +3

      @@Lilhaggis747 Because that's the standard pronunciation of educated people in Rome at that time. However, we know about different accents too, because Romans wrote about them. For example, we know that short "i" was pronounced as [e] by many people in rural areas.
      We tend to use that standard pronunciation of Classical Latin, which doesn't mean that there were no other accents.

  • @mattlockufo
    @mattlockufo 2 года назад +3828

    He's giggling like a girl when the dude is actually speaking it

    • @fulltimehustler3979
      @fulltimehustler3979 2 года назад +63

      Like when he gets massages 💆‍♂️ lol

    • @user-bw1ol3ut2k
      @user-bw1ol3ut2k 2 года назад +1

      How do you know that “he” doesn’t identify as a girl ?? Don’t be a TRANSPHOBE

    • @har5814
      @har5814 2 года назад +22

      Wet

    • @TheHeavenlyBuddy
      @TheHeavenlyBuddy 2 года назад +6

      exactly lmao 😭😭😭

    • @te9591
      @te9591 2 года назад +10

      Its bad ass.

  • @joedirtakabruce
    @joedirtakabruce Год назад +3

    "widely taught in highschool" guess he lives in an alternate reality...

  • @kingofparrots_
    @kingofparrots_ Год назад +2

    it is so cool to know that i'm lucky enough to have a latin tutor who knows the language well enough that he teaches it to us this way

    • @ellathefinefella2084
      @ellathefinefella2084 Год назад

      Yeah idk what this guy was in about, it’s standard to teach classical Latin in secular settings and institutions

  • @darthzayexeet3653
    @darthzayexeet3653 2 года назад +602

    POV: You thought you had the speed set on 1.25x, but it was actually normal and he just sped the video up

    • @D..S..
      @D..S.. 2 года назад +13

      I hate it

    • @april-rf3pq
      @april-rf3pq 2 года назад +2

      i did actually have the speed on 1.25

    • @0Geju0
      @0Geju0 2 года назад

      I just came here to get knowledge and be informed, but stayed for the rant

    • @rockmycd1319
      @rockmycd1319 2 года назад

      Probably in order to fit the video as a short.

    • @maeganlozano7058
      @maeganlozano7058 2 года назад

      I actually prefer this speed. I do it for RUclips and Netflix. I wish there was an option where it stays like that forever. I’m glad I don’t have to manually do it for this shorts.

  • @Murdershewrote99
    @Murdershewrote99 2 года назад +227

    What you talking about that’s exactly how I was taught Latin in high school.

    • @deusvult6920
      @deusvult6920 2 года назад +22

      It's also exactly how ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced. How do I know? I am Catholic and my entire mass is said in Latin every sacrament I receive is in Latin this dude has no clue what he's talking a out.

    • @RuinedTemple
      @RuinedTemple 2 года назад +5

      @@deusvult6920
      Yes, but isn’t how priests now pronounce it quite different from how it sounded so long ago?

    • @ConDude25
      @ConDude25 2 года назад +8

      yeah same, our teacher never let us get away with “church latin”

    • @Murdershewrote99
      @Murdershewrote99 2 года назад +11

      @@deusvult6920 bro seriously said “how do I know he’s wrong? Im a CATHOLIC”🤣🤣🤣

    • @tourmii
      @tourmii 2 года назад +1

      @@Murdershewrote99 lol so silly

  • @louisemarieperry
    @louisemarieperry Год назад +2

    That’s exactly what my own Latin teacher sounded like at school.

  • @jamesflowers1295
    @jamesflowers1295 Год назад +2

    I love the Pompeii graffiti. It's worth the read. Make you chuckle and make you mad and then make you sad.

  • @crazycherokee8552
    @crazycherokee8552 2 года назад +644

    Me, who played Fallout NV: *"Ave, true to Caesar!"*

    • @CenobiteBeldar
      @CenobiteBeldar 2 года назад +34

      Only we NV players know the real way to say it. I never says “see-zer”, but I didn’t know about the Cicero was kick-err-oh.

    • @ll_kennyll
      @ll_kennyll 2 года назад +24

      Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you want to wish for a nuclear winter

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 2 года назад +7

      Ave Julius Gaius Caesar!

    • @Celticshade
      @Celticshade 2 года назад +5

      True to Caesar!

    • @youenjoy8468
      @youenjoy8468 2 года назад +7

      My conquest of the Mojave will be a glorious triumph, marking the transition of the Legion from a basically nomadic tribe to a genuine empire. Just as my namesake campaigned in Gaul before he crossed the Rubicon, so have I campaigned, and will cross the Colorado.

  • @brud6295
    @brud6295 2 года назад +72

    idk about y'all but here in italy at the very first latin class in highschool our teacher taught us the differences between ecclesiastic pronunciation (the one used by priests) and classic pronunciation (the one mentioned in this video as "real").

    • @I_AM_HYDRAA
      @I_AM_HYDRAA 2 года назад +7

      at least in USA latin is rarely taught so IDK where he got commonly

    • @bifurioussiren
      @bifurioussiren 2 года назад +1

      @@I_AM_HYDRAA I took Latin in middle school in the US
      not sure how common it is though.

    • @andreegross
      @andreegross Год назад

      Same in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

    • @yo-yo9663
      @yo-yo9663 Год назад +1

      My sister took Latin in HS in the 2000s in NJ.

    • @ellathefinefella2084
      @ellathefinefella2084 Год назад

      As they should! Both versions have their own merits but like, idk why he thinks it would be ecclesiastical in non-religiously affiliated public schools which would have a focus on classical texts😭

  • @uncurled520
    @uncurled520 Год назад +2

    My high school latin teacher taught us that in college the correct pronunciation is however your professor says it is

  • @Nophreetime
    @Nophreetime Год назад

    So happy there's a long version to this. I'm off to watch it 🛸

  • @JesusFriedChrist
    @JesusFriedChrist 2 года назад +193

    I was about to say “this sounds like a video for Luke from Polymathy” and bingo there he is at the end. Bravo.

    • @tradcatholicloyaltorome727
      @tradcatholicloyaltorome727 2 года назад

      Mate, your youtube account is blasphemous.

    • @jurgnobs1308
      @jurgnobs1308 2 года назад

      @@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 did you just use "blasphemous" unironically?

    • @alyssastewart738
      @alyssastewart738 2 года назад

      @@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 hahhahahahaa his username is great omg

  • @aryanatre9971
    @aryanatre9971 2 года назад +133

    *Terms and conditions apply*

  • @cgbasic808
    @cgbasic808 Год назад +1

    that guy actually makes really good latin vids that my magister uses

  • @HeyImKevin
    @HeyImKevin 2 года назад +179

    Wait wait wait.... Caesar's Legion.... This whole time, New Vegas was correct?!

    • @Ziiphyr
      @Ziiphyr 2 года назад +7

      LMAO you never thought of the comparisons? 😂

    • @TheGeekBox
      @TheGeekBox 2 года назад +15

      Yes, as part of the game they had 2 history experts they asked Betheada to hire for them to get certain things accurate to place in the game. They also hired them to help with certain details in the Wolfenstein games too. There's your fun fact lol

    • @levygaming3133
      @levygaming3133 2 года назад +3

      Always has been

    • @HomemdaFaina
      @HomemdaFaina 2 года назад

      That was, in itself, the joke.

  • @Gothead420
    @Gothead420 2 года назад +308

    Yeah, being german, having had Latin in school: I actually knew this...🤓

    • @_the_
      @_the_ 2 года назад +5

      The latin speaking guy sounded like he as a german dialect.

    • @fanaticofmetal
      @fanaticofmetal 2 года назад +2

      @@_the_ No shit he is American, the pronunciation is similar to German

    • @_the_
      @_the_ 2 года назад +6

      @@fanaticofmetal That's what I was saying.

    • @ASH12B
      @ASH12B 2 года назад

      Sure kraut.

    • @astonishing157
      @astonishing157 2 года назад +4

      @@fanaticofmetal no it really isnt

  • @kurtcobainii1075
    @kurtcobainii1075 Год назад +10

    "Ave, true to Caesar"
    I guess the Legion was remaining true to the original Romans and speaking Latin the way a true Roman Legion would.
    Damn

    • @stjiub2201
      @stjiub2201 Год назад +1

      Hey a fallout new Vegas fan I'm guessing bc iw as looking for a comment like this

    • @kurtcobainii1075
      @kurtcobainii1075 Год назад

      @@stjiub2201 And youre an Elder Scrolls fan Im guessing, from the name.

    • @stjiub2201
      @stjiub2201 Год назад

      @@kurtcobainii1075 ofc n'wah and you?

    • @kurtcobainii1075
      @kurtcobainii1075 Год назад

      @@stjiub2201 Looked up what N'wah meant. Now Im slightly offended. Well then

    • @stjiub2201
      @stjiub2201 Год назад

      @@kurtcobainii1075 it's a greeting to you outsiders lol. I think you'll love elder scrolls at least your not the Argonian or khajit. They are the slave part of the n'wah word, well it could mean anyone really don't matter what race in morrowind every race but dunmer get racism well even foreigner dunmer get hate lol.

  • @reginab722
    @reginab722 Год назад +4

    Ecclesiastical Latin as in used by Christianity is different and that’s common knowledge. He sounded amazing. Omgosh

  • @timotheus2003
    @timotheus2003 2 года назад +283

    My HS Latin teacher taught us the correct way 25 years ago. I am unable to sing Christmas songs with the wrong pronunciation ever since. Great vid.

    • @isrulius
      @isrulius Год назад +19

      Ah yes, all those Christmas songs in Ancient Latin 🤦‍♂️

    • @magnusbruce4051
      @magnusbruce4051 Год назад +28

      @@isrulius Gaudete is a pretty popular Christmas song in latin. Admittedly probably the only one that's in latin that's well known and we can thank Steeleye Span for that.

    • @virilitas
      @virilitas Год назад +13

      There is no “correct” pronunciation of Latin. Classical Latin evolved into Romance languages. Each country had a convention on how to pronounce Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin is somewhat of a modern fiction - it’s the pronunciation of Latin as used in Rome (so very close to Italian). But the Roman Catholic Church did not standardize Latin pronunciation until Pius X recommended that all Catholic liturgy use the Roman pronunciation in 1912. But it never fully caught on - German-speaking countries have their own ecclesiastical pronunciation still in use.

    • @timotheus2003
      @timotheus2003 Год назад +2

      @@virilitas tell that to my Latin teacher

    • @sneaksyranger
      @sneaksyranger Год назад +2

      The hymn "Angels We Have Heard on High" is annoying to me for the same reasons. "Chelsis".

  • @openyoureyestothetruth
    @openyoureyestothetruth 2 года назад +36

    Proud to say I took 7 years of Latin from 6th grade to senior year. The Latin conventions were so memorable and really fun

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision Год назад

      Really? Cool, what made them so memorable and fun?

  • @stanleywhite4404
    @stanleywhite4404 Год назад +1

    Had a substitute growing up that spoke Latin. She was the sweetest little old lady and I can remember her being there from the start around 1st grade all the way through senior year of high school. Genuinely one of the kindest people I’ve met. She would always have a late word or phrase up on the board to taxi us a little. I wish I would of understood a bit more back then how neat it would be to remember these

  • @ElleDeas
    @ElleDeas Год назад

    This is literally the pronunciation I was taught in high school.

  • @Pierre-Jonqueres
    @Pierre-Jonqueres 2 года назад +193

    Make it an actual video, with explanations, origins of these errors and the evolution of this mistaking, what it actually sound like with quotes, etc
    Not a short ! You know your community is curious and eager to learn more ^^

    • @deithlan
      @deithlan 2 года назад +7

      To be fair, there are a LOT of videos that go much more in depth than this. The guy at the end, Luke (Polýmathy and ScorpiusMartianus on RUclips) has 2 channels completely dedicated to that.
      This video is centered more on showing this fact to people whi have never heard it!
      Could it have been done better? Yes, but still, I think it fits its purpose.

    • @Pierre-Jonqueres
      @Pierre-Jonqueres 2 года назад +2

      @@deithlan Thanks for the feedback, I'll look into these ;D

    • @deusvult6920
      @deusvult6920 2 года назад +2

      Why would he make an entire video when his entire premise is wrong? This is exactly how you learn Latin in school. This is exactly how priests pronounce it. I know the former because my school had Latin. I know the latter because I am an actual Catholic that attends a mass said entirely in Latin, every sacrament I receive is Latin. The dude clearly has no clue what he's talking about and I can't believe so many fools just go along with it

    • @deithlan
      @deithlan 2 года назад +1

      @@deusvult6920 you have learnt Ecclesiastical Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin, while it is Latin, is not Classical Latin. It is not the Latin that Caesar and Cicero spoke, it is however the Latin that the Catholic Church speaks.
      “Ecclesiastical Latin” is a variety of Latin with the same grammar as Classical Latin (from which it descends), but with a different pronunciation.
      There are actually many kinds of Ecclesiastical Latin, all dependant on the country it is spoken. There is French Latin, German Latin, English Latin, Italian Latin... But the only one that prevailed until this day is the latter, because, well, the Vatican is in Italy after all. That is also why Ecclesiastical Latin sounds so similar to modern Italian, because it essentially is Latin spoken using Italian sounds. That is why you pronounce «Veni, vidi, vici» as /vɛni vidi vitʃi/, because that’s how an Italian person would pronounce it.
      We now have a pretty darn good understanding of what Classical Latin (from which Ecclesiastical Latin descends) actually sounded like. Especially thanks to historical linguistics, which analize the evolution of languages. You can see the same thing in some languages: the letter «w» is pronounced /w/ in English but /v/ in German. The evolution from /w/ to /v/ is EXTREMELY common in languages. Same thing happens with /k/ > /tʃ/ when near a fronted vowel like /i/. And, like English, we still have Romance languages today which pronounce «c» as /k/ in all contexts, etc. That is why we are almost entirely sure that «Veni, vidi, vici» was actually pronounced more like /wɛni widi wiki/.
      Of course, this is not to dunk on Ecclesiastical Latin, it is still a very beautiful way of pronouncing the language, and I quite like how it sounds. But the fact that it is the version that the Church speaks doesn’t mean that it is the only version to ever exist.

  • @amaury650
    @amaury650 2 года назад +88

    Wanting to do a video that lasts less than a minute doesn't mean speeding it up until it actually is 59 seconds long.

  • @JoeSchmo758
    @JoeSchmo758 Год назад

    Speeding up a video for Shorts, without an outro... I LOL'D when it looped!

  • @Luki766
    @Luki766 Год назад +1

    bald guy so wholesome. sounds like from age of empires 2 🇵🇱♥️

  • @mypoemcarmen
    @mypoemcarmen 2 года назад +106

    I‘m from Germany and we were always told in Latin class, that the most blatant German pronunciation would come the closest to the way it was actually spoken back then. For most of us that was a welcome change to English class 😅

    • @tomtom34b
      @tomtom34b 2 года назад +13

      Same here, but were were also taught in history class that the caesar kaiser thingy was not concidentially. The german Kaiser became the protector of the holy Rome, and could only become crowned to Kaiser by the holy pope... Mostly always present in Rome... :-) A Ceaser Kaiser connection is apparent.

    • @xMahaDMAhx
      @xMahaDMAhx 2 года назад +2

      Stimmt😅

    • @iwankazlow2268
      @iwankazlow2268 2 года назад +14

      @@tomtom34b It's not just a connection it's the actual root of it. Like a lot of stuff it's directly from Latin.

    • @salyluz6535
      @salyluz6535 2 года назад +2

      @Iwan Kazlow: also the root of Czar.

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx 2 года назад

      @@salyluz6535 how did a word from italy travel all the way to russia?

  • @floopusdoopus
    @floopusdoopus 2 года назад +62

    Ave, true to Caesar

  • @Ace.D.Portogas
    @Ace.D.Portogas 3 месяца назад

    Me writing "Dro Wuz heeree" in graffiti. Mfs in the future "hey this must be how they spoke and sounded" 😂

  • @queensabina9983
    @queensabina9983 4 месяца назад

    If a speech could be a marathon 🤣

  • @sjoerdassenberg7293
    @sjoerdassenberg7293 2 года назад +1130

    The way he speaks so fast makes my head hurt
    Edit: so many people taking this serious lmao

    • @tylarjackson7928
      @tylarjackson7928 2 года назад +149

      It's sped up. Probably to make the video shorter, and to not be "boring" but yeah I'd rather have it at normal speed.

    • @CannaMomLife
      @CannaMomLife 2 года назад +22

      Me too. Anxiety up with this one.

    • @NewArmies
      @NewArmies 2 года назад +20

      Its sped up so it can fit the shorts criteria

    • @YouTubeExplore777
      @YouTubeExplore777 2 года назад +9

      So he's not on a whole bag of coffee?

    • @SoroushTorkian
      @SoroushTorkian 2 года назад +6

      I’m used to this speed, I always watch RUclips videos on 2x or 3x videos from other RUclipsrs lol

  • @unnot5706
    @unnot5706 2 года назад +5

    Bro he sped it up to make it a short that's genius

  • @allenjenkins7947
    @allenjenkins7947 Год назад +2

    The classical pronunciation was the one we were taught in my English grammar school in the late 1950s.
    The fact is, however, that only the upper classes actually spoke classical Latin. Most of the plebs spoke Koine Greek.

  • @itsenergybob8917
    @itsenergybob8917 11 месяцев назад

    Dude, you are the most consummate language investigator I have ever seen. Awesome!

  • @abravemusic
    @abravemusic 2 года назад +43

    stop with the 1,5 speed bro😂

  • @jochem420
    @jochem420 2 года назад +355

    Every decent teacher will teach you to speak it like this lol

    • @user-ug5xr2gb6j
      @user-ug5xr2gb6j Год назад +15

      He sounded like my teachers. Had a friend who had never studied it try to argue the other side of this with me, as in we don’t know what Latin sounds like, lol.

    • @Happy_days01
      @Happy_days01 Год назад +8

      Sadly not all teachers are decent. Some still think C is pronounced like a S and V being a V.

    • @Harpdadog
      @Harpdadog Год назад +15

      Yea, this is like the first thing you learn in Latin class

    • @TBDF12
      @TBDF12 Год назад +2

      ​@@user-ug5xr2gb6j I researched this a few years ago cause the confidence of people was pissing me off, and everyone pretty much cites one Latin man for the whole argument and nothing else. It may be correct but last I checked we truly don't know

    • @user-ug5xr2gb6j
      @user-ug5xr2gb6j Год назад +3

      @@TBDF12 Sure, they probably had dialects like anybody else, and it changed some as the empire waxed and waned. But this is what has become a consensus within the academic community, and is supported by research and evidence, until further evidence comes along. technically, we don’t know what any human being beyond about 150 years ago sounded like. And some of the first ones that we have on record for the first recordings would only be a small sample of the population not the average of the population. And also voice recording was super distorted until what like the 60s or 70s at best. Think about whenever you get here like Winston Churchill’s speeches or how the stereotype of a detective from that era would speak. People didn’t talk like that in the 30s and 40s, it was how primitive our technology was for Converting speech from a physical aspect to an electronic one. Also, because of how primitive our microphone technology was, I was watching something where it was talking about how Hollywood actually developed its own accent in early film with sound because there were certain sounds that the microphone had a much harder time picking up, and so they changed how things were pronounced in order to get recorded. Linguistics is a pretty interesting subject.

  • @africanwarlord5946
    @africanwarlord5946 Год назад

    And I laughed so much at the Legion while playing New Vegas for their pronunciation…

  • @saturatedodin476
    @saturatedodin476 Год назад +1

    Just sounds like my high school Latin teacher

  • @thekommunistkrusader3921
    @thekommunistkrusader3921 2 года назад +80

    "Latin is taught widely in American schools" since when did they start that again? Pretty sure they stopped years ago

    • @indfnt5590
      @indfnt5590 2 года назад +23

      Barely teach English ffs. 🥶

    • @noon2230
      @noon2230 2 года назад +7

      They have Latin classes as a language arts elective in my high school in New Jersey

    • @FunctionallyLiteratePerson
      @FunctionallyLiteratePerson 2 года назад +3

      I took it as my foreign language credit and I know that had a cartamen team that competed with other schools so /shrug

    • @SydneyScream
      @SydneyScream 2 года назад +4

      Are u serious? You can find latin classes in most established universities in the US

    • @thekommunistkrusader3921
      @thekommunistkrusader3921 2 года назад +7

      @@SydneyScream bold of you to assume most of us can afford college these days

  • @ahha6304
    @ahha6304 2 года назад +84

    we need Xiaoma vs Luke polýMATHY

    • @brutusthebear9050
      @brutusthebear9050 2 года назад +2

      Vs? This chipmunk would get schooled.

    • @tuahsakato17
      @tuahsakato17 2 года назад +1

      Did you just.....
      How in the world Xiaomanyc can even be compared with Luke in the realm of Latin.
      Dude even walked and talked to people in Rome, with Latin. He speaks better Latin than the priest in Vatican lmao

    • @ahha6304
      @ahha6304 2 года назад

      @@tuahsakato17You know, I comment that for your "results" unless you can't see the sarcasm

    • @carltomacruz9138
      @carltomacruz9138 2 года назад

      Who's Xiaoma?

  • @CloudHopper789
    @CloudHopper789 9 месяцев назад

    That guy at the end just sounds like a very solemn Italian dude, lol

  • @averageforzaplayer1048
    @averageforzaplayer1048 9 месяцев назад +1

    It’s Confirmed Boys, Pompeii did Spell
    “Though” like “Tho”

  • @Jphavock380
    @Jphavock380 2 года назад +113

    You should come to South-Africa. You should then learn the language: "Afrikaans".
    I would really love to hear you speak my language.

    • @cestyplarpis7947
      @cestyplarpis7947 2 года назад +5

      Xhosa

    • @dehartfamily3091
      @dehartfamily3091 2 года назад +5

      My dad is from South Africa. When he gets mad, he mixes his words. I would love to hear it to.

    • @ZzzZ-sb9ju
      @ZzzZ-sb9ju 2 года назад +4

      It came from Dutch.

    • @simianto9957
      @simianto9957 2 года назад +1

      @@ZzzZ-sb9ju Dus?

    • @murraytc4641
      @murraytc4641 2 года назад +2

      Ek praat nie Afrikaans nie, Jammer

  • @gunslingerfromwish4656
    @gunslingerfromwish4656 2 года назад +31

    "Ah!"
    "True to Caesar!"

  • @davidkearney4876
    @davidkearney4876 Месяц назад

    he speaks so fast he is nearly indecipherable

  • @leonardoverona247
    @leonardoverona247 Год назад

    learned classical latin in my high-school, very interesting language

  • @jstantongood5474
    @jstantongood5474 2 года назад +124

    The study of Latin has enjoyed a massive resurgence in the last 15 years. Mostly thanks to it's revival in the USA. In Italy it's teaching never really stopped in the public schools.

    • @MrAdryan1603
      @MrAdryan1603 2 года назад +4

      I'm curious if they teach the more "Italianized" pronunciation or do they teach it how they're discussing the pronunciation in this video?

    • @jstantongood5474
      @jstantongood5474 2 года назад +16

      @@MrAdryan1603 in Italy it's nearly ALWAYS done in 17th century Italian Jesuit pronunciation (standard 20th century ecclesiastical pronunciation) regardless of whether it's a state or ecclesiastical school. In the USA it is normally a function of how secular or Church-affiliated the school/teacher is.

    • @MrAdryan1603
      @MrAdryan1603 2 года назад +5

      @@jstantongood5474 Huh. Fascinating... Thanks for educating me, Cheers!

    • @jaredbowhay-pringle1460
      @jaredbowhay-pringle1460 2 года назад +7

      It's only really taught in certain high schools (licei) in Italy. It had a massive resurgence in all schools during the fascist period under Mussolini, because he fancied himself as some sort of Roman emperor.

    • @jaredbowhay-pringle1460
      @jaredbowhay-pringle1460 2 года назад +6

      @MeChupaUnHuevon this is purely based on personal experience, but I'd say about 25%

  • @TheMCNanno
    @TheMCNanno 2 года назад +48

    I love that the Latin in the Traditional Latin Mass is pronounced as if speaking Italian, it feels at home to me

    • @betinivinicius
      @betinivinicius Год назад +7

      Posthumus reconstruction of a language by scholars who never heard it but swear it sounds like that X An unbroken line of priests that dates to the Roman Empire speaking the language? I'll pick the second one.

    • @TheMCNanno
      @TheMCNanno Год назад +1

      @@betinivinicius and what is the second one?

    • @betinivinicius
      @betinivinicius Год назад +4

      @@TheMCNanno ecclesiastical Latin, the one spoken by the Catholic Church through their traditional priests

    • @tfan2222
      @tfan2222 Год назад +1

      @@betinivinicius That’s both one, ignoring history, and second, not true. Ecclesiastical Latin emerged as a ‘standard’ because the actually ‘Latin’ spoken across the empire or it’s former territories was no longer actually Latin. They were all just older forms of modern Romance languages, even if the speakers thought it was still Latin. This meant there was no consistency between churches, so it was given an artificial standard that has been maintained, and as such is no longer even close to the modern Romance languages.
      TLDR; ACTUAL Romans gave detailed descriptions of the sounds of their language, and ecclesiastical Latin is an artificial standard, that has proven useful in rebuilding the language.

  • @gundarsmiks4889
    @gundarsmiks4889 Год назад +1

    Italians now pronounce c as ch. For example center, is written centro, but pronounced chentro...

  • @HelloTardis
    @HelloTardis 10 месяцев назад +1

    I learned Latin with this exact type of pronunciation. I don’t see how this is a revelation.

  • @tropicalermine
    @tropicalermine 2 года назад +100

    I definitely learned all of this in my high school Latin class tho

  • @CaptainBlaine
    @CaptainBlaine 2 года назад +132

    “I’m about to spend 20 minutes talking about it, and 3 seconds showing it”

    • @playrasputin3457
      @playrasputin3457 Год назад +7

      And in an obnoxious manner

    • @Crayon__Muncher
      @Crayon__Muncher Год назад +3

      ​@@playrasputin3457no shit its sped up

    • @mikukene1998
      @mikukene1998 7 месяцев назад

      My name is what?

    • @paulo0651
      @paulo0651 5 месяцев назад

      there's a whole video of a chat between xiaomanyc and the cancer survivor guy lil black man

    • @tastysand05
      @tastysand05 4 месяца назад

      Watch a full video, if you’re too lazy, skip to the part where he speaks Latin

  • @Leftyotism
    @Leftyotism 2 месяца назад

    Awww, I was about to make that Kaiser / Caesar comment. But big ups to you for getting it in the video! Many don't! 🥰

  • @FreyasArts
    @FreyasArts Год назад

    My Latin professor at uni also said that they most likely used a sharp s in Caesar, and that they rolled the r similar to the Spanish

  • @jacobtuttle4311
    @jacobtuttle4311 2 года назад +28

    "Ave, true to Caesar"

  • @devenb1218
    @devenb1218 2 года назад +12

    This is how I was taught Latin. My teacher spent most of her life in Europe, loved history, and spoke several European languages. She hated when people mispronounced words

  • @ianstrong7140
    @ianstrong7140 Год назад

    Bro, your channel is very addicting.

  • @mamiavodah1012
    @mamiavodah1012 2 месяца назад

    THANK YOU for this!! I learned classical Latin at 11-13 & I've been telling people this for YEARS. Ecclesiastical latin sounds to my ear as if someone overlaid an Italian accent & pronunciation rules onto Latin.

  • @JustSomeGermanGuy
    @JustSomeGermanGuy 2 года назад +6

    In Germany we don’t call caeser
    ‘Kaiser’, ‘Kaiser’ is a title similar to a king, BUT it comes from the name caeser

    • @danolix
      @danolix 2 года назад

      Honestly it definitely has to do something with the Roman Empire because at some point germany uses to be the Holy Roman Empire which did include parts of Italy

    • @danolix
      @danolix 2 года назад +1

      And isn't kaiser just the german word for emperor?

    • @gregthwuen
      @gregthwuen 2 года назад

      @@danolix Yes, and most people in Germany don't say “Caesar” with a K.

  • @ApostleDavidETaylor
    @ApostleDavidETaylor 2 года назад +42

    This shit is exactly how I would personify ADHD…

  • @eifachdave9701
    @eifachdave9701 Год назад

    Thanks for 1% what I wanted

  • @gwatson1023
    @gwatson1023 Год назад +1

    My Latin teacher taught us the classical Latin pronunciation. She always said “No need to church it up in here” 😂

  • @AlxzAlec
    @AlxzAlec 2 года назад +14

    Caesar is literally what made the word “Emperor” in various Languages, like Kaiser in German and other Germanic languages

    • @IOU1987
      @IOU1987 7 месяцев назад

      German rings quite like hermano, any coincidence or? 🤔

  • @evabobava2594
    @evabobava2594 2 года назад +10

    I’m learning Latin rn with my mother since I’m homeschooled I can learn all sorts of stuff lol

    • @RexoryByzaboo
      @RexoryByzaboo 2 года назад +1

      Ahh, a fellow based homeschooler.

  • @NIKEONXX
    @NIKEONXX 11 месяцев назад

    Latin is so cool i really don't regret leaning a bit in school. As a french guy i'm so interested by how similar it is

  • @l33t_h4xor5
    @l33t_h4xor5 Месяц назад

    Oh god my latin teacher taught us with latin alive
    *the flashbacks are starting*

  • @RepoMom
    @RepoMom 2 года назад +155

    It was distressing to discover that "veni, vidi, vici" was (is) pronounced more like "wenny, weedy, weeky".
    Latin's a totally dorky language!
    *sigh*

    • @capt.heinrich6945
      @capt.heinrich6945 2 года назад +2

      wenny, weedy, weeky

    • @christianstainazfischer
      @christianstainazfischer 2 года назад +10

      Did you know Gaius Julius Caesar was originally written like this CAIVS VVLIVS CAESAR and pronounced guy-use you-lee-use kai-sahr?

    • @iwankazlow2268
      @iwankazlow2268 2 года назад +4

      @@christianstainazfischer Just blatant German pronunciation and it fits like a glove. Yeah, Germans just breaking language copyrights and saying Latin the right way :)

    • @christianstainazfischer
      @christianstainazfischer 2 года назад +11

      @@iwankazlow2268 true true, but most Americans don't actually know how to read the Latinscript phonetically like Germans do

    • @RepoMom
      @RepoMom 2 года назад +4

      That's pretty much how it's pronounced *now* (and ever so much more lyrical), but this video describes how ordinary folks used Latin back in the day. A good YT explanation is "What Latin Sounded Like - and how we know".

  • @philipwisniewski8195
    @philipwisniewski8195 2 года назад +4

    Man sounds like “My name is Giovanni Giorgio. But my friends call me JoJo”

    • @sdani.
      @sdani. 2 года назад +2

      GioGio

  • @isrulius
    @isrulius Год назад

    I would have really liked to hear more than a 1 second clip

  • @Timefraction
    @Timefraction Год назад

    This makes WAY more sense to me now, I never fully understood why Latin is so different sounding from all the other Latin derived languages which I grew up around, hearing it correctly, I can hear the similarities to French German Italian and English (less so), thanks!

  • @ethanol1586
    @ethanol1586 2 года назад +6

    Ben Shapiro: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

    • @JakeTTS
      @JakeTTS 2 года назад

      It’s like Philip Defranco and him had a baby

  • @NowherewithNate
    @NowherewithNate 2 года назад +6

    The laughing at the end got me 💀

  • @thomaschapel4778
    @thomaschapel4778 Год назад

    I enjoyed the description.of how we know. But woukd have appreciated hearing more than 2 sec of spoken classical latin

  • @user-bg9kw3it4w
    @user-bg9kw3it4w 2 месяца назад

    Listening to you i realise what a fantastic latin teacher i've had in ...79 bc.

  • @Growmetheus
    @Growmetheus 2 года назад +3

    Luke Reineri is the Latin Speaker at the end.

  • @delmattia96
    @delmattia96 2 года назад +18

    While I may understand the interest in "Restituta", I prefer the Ecclesiastic version of the language.
    I mean, my 2 biggest reasons may be selfish (" It's the Latin I studied for 5 years" and " It's similar not only in writing, but also in spelling to my mothertongue -italian-"), but, still ... :D
    Have a nice day.

    • @agnes8679
      @agnes8679 2 года назад +4

      Ecclesiastical Latin sounds prettier too. I prefer it as well, and it's how I read it too. And yes, it is way more similar to Italian (my native language is Spanish).

  • @dstinnettmusic
    @dstinnettmusic Год назад

    The one that gets me is a the V sounding like a modern English W.
    Wini wini wiki just sounds like Elmer Fudd is playing Caesar

  • @edward9232
    @edward9232 Год назад +1

    Not widely taught in American high-schools anymore. Mine hadn't offered it in decades when I was leaving

  • @mryalice68293
    @mryalice68293 2 года назад +3

    Latin was so much fun in high school; it was like a cultural history class mixed with some language