My Biggest Pet Peeve With Sonic Generations...
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My headcanon for Classic Sonic being mute: he's just a shy little man!
No, but seriously, I think SEGA saw the whole "Sonic doesn't need to speak to be cool!!" argument and just went "You know what, this is the right choice!"
I want classic sonic to be edge and have a attitude to modern sonic
My headcanon is that he didn't know the language. Tails taught him, but that took some time.
And had Tails and Eggman do all the "Classic" talking because "no one really cares about anyone but Sonic lol".
It was a missed opportunity for Jaleel White to voice Classic Sonic.
@@TheNobleSocietyofPuddingOwnersI think what was the plan, but Jaleel was not on board.
It will always confused me why they had Classic Tails talk but not classic sonic. If they were going off of the fact that he couldn't speak in the classic games, with that logic, Classic Tails shouldn't be able to talk either.
Apparently they wanted to get jaleel white but didn't cus of time constraints. So they made him voiceless
They could've cast anyone! He even had a handful of lines in Sonic CD!
@@lugbzurg8987 yh I'm not sure how valid it really was tbh. Either that or sega didn't rely care
No, see, in a cartoon or video game world, only GENIUS retro characters can talk because retro means babby. Goo goo. Also no playable retro characters can speak because voices and retro gameplay don't mix.
Fuck Sega.
@@lordadz1615 I doubt that. Aside from it sounding like a bullshit fan theory/rumor, that's the sort of choice you make EARLY ON. Plus if it WERE true, then the JP voices got trimmed because of that. Of course, we ARE talking Sega here.
speaking of classic sonic design in sonic generations , i believe it's because sonic team wanted to combine the american and japanese design of sonic in the 90s , resulting in a design that take little clues from both of them
that's exactly what I've been thinking...
It feels like Matt just wants that JP Sonic style in the artworks we've seen for years, Sega probably thought this would be the safest decision considering how many people would probably go on to complain about it in which box art design they preferred the most *(but that's just what i think!* i most definitely cannot tell what was Sega or Sonic Team's decision when making that design!)
They should have just stuck with the Japan design
@@crashspyroforever701
nah. Greg Martin deserved the tribute.
@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 are you joking Japanese sonic IS the perfect sonic design
@@agrilsunil1 This is exactly why sega tried to make it a mix of American and Japan Classic Sonic, however the ingame model looks more close to japanese version.
To be fair, before Generations, Classic Sonic did actually have a voice, it's just that most of the time it wasn't heard due to hardware limitations. For a lot of Genesis and Game Gear titles, it is stated in their manuals that Sonic talked. On top of all that, once hardware limitations weren't an issue, Classic Sonic did get a voice in Sonic CD. Namely, the voice lines of "Yes!" and "I'm outta here!". Minimal maybe, but enough to work with for a recast of Classic Sonic tbh.
I understand they wanted him to feel like he jumped right out of a Genesis, but it doesn't make any sense canonically.
Some Japanese Sonic arcade games had him speak whole-ass dialogue, and Eggman, Mighty and Ray also had arcade voices while Tails NEVER had any game voices prior to Adventure. Honestly, it's criminal that no one speaks in Sonic The Fighters. I guess they either weren't sure who to use in what language or wanted to lean into a Genesis-in-3D feel.
Personally, my favorite classic design is the Toei Sonic we see in Mania/CD opening cutscene.That would have been amazing to see in Generations/ Forces
WHO’s favourite classic sonic design isn’t toei sonic it’s classic sonic if he was the definition of sonic perfection
IMO the Sonic in all the Mania shorts is not the same as Toei / Junio Sonic.
Imo junio sonic only works when he isn't smiling and something about junio sonic doesn't scream attitude from an impatient rat
But rather a calm collected individual
@@MrAppleSalad who said that they were the same? cuz they were dead wrong
My headcanon for why Classic is mute is because during his first four adventures (1,2,3K and CD), he was a stoic freedom fighter who was an “act first talk later” kind of guy. After a confidence boost from defeating Robotnik so many times in a row, and after becoming friends with Tails, Knuckles and Amy, he started to be more open and cocky. Despite of all of this, Classic being mute and cute doesn’t work, it’s really awkward to see him “””””laughing””””” the way he does in that one cutscene, and the design and lack of voice isn’t amazing. I still believe my headcanon is kinda cool though, but it doesn’t justify how he’s portrayed.
For the Classic Sonic design I think they should have gone for the Toei design
Or at least update the sonic 1 design in 3d
That wouldn't go with Modern Sonic well
I think Sonic 3&K design is the right choice
Hell nah
You mean Junio?
What’s wrong with plastic sonic? Nothing wrong with him.
Plastic sonic?
People who like Sonic Heroes be like:
@Sonic central Super i know
@Sonic central Super Bro it's a joke
@X-Mighty LOL
My assumption for why he doesn't speak has always been because they figured that no matter how they portrayed the character vocally, fans would be in an uproar. So they just left him mute to play it safe.
You do have a good point.
My problem with classic sonic is that he can’t talk, if they couldn’t get Jaleel white, they should’ve gotten the ova actor or the sonic cd actor
The CD actor was Japanese so if they had him then Classic Sonic would have a Japanese accent. I think the best bet would be to get a new voice actor doing a combination of Jaleel Whites and Martin Burkes voices.
@@bluekel615 Yeah, I feel like this voice suits him well ruclips.net/video/GsW07ZRfkTY/видео.html
@@hover8642 I have actually watched that before but forgot most of it, yeah that voice is pretty good!
It wasn't that they couldn't get Jaleel White so much as they decided not to even bother
also modern sonic back when sonic adventure released was not supposed to be an older sonic , it was a change of art style
Yup! I miss those days tbh. No classic or modern. Just Sonic
It realistically has nothing to do with the artstyle. If they instead put in SA2 Sonic, it would still be a younger Sonic because of how much time passed both narratively-speaking and in-universe.(The entire series until Gens definitly did not take place in 1 year, the listed age not changing was clearly a marketing-thing)
2:45 HOLD UP LET HIM COOK!!🔥
In my opinion, The Sonic CD intro design or S3K design would fit perfectly for classic sonic in Generations. It shows his cutesy and edgy look, and the S3 model is a good model, which has a design of subtle transition into adventure design.
I have a theory I came up with on why Classic is mute and it's actually very simple.
Who was he gonna talk to? As far as we know, Sonic has always just been a force of nature. Someone to defend the environment on a physical level. That automatically rules out any parents he may or may not have and by proxy, someone to teach him speak. And the animals of the island don't seem capable of normal speech so I couldn't even catch it second hand from them.
So then why does he speak now? Easy, Tails. Now that he has a 300 IQ partner in crime, he finally has someone who's capable of speech that he consistently can talk to and who can teach him.
I also think it explains why "he doesn't shut up" now (personally, I don't think he talks enough). He can finally express himself verbally after all this time of not being able to, why would he EVER "shut up"?
Another theory could be that he's socially inept, not really having a social circle till Adventure but even then.
Idk, these are just my own personal thoughts and they probably have a lot of holes in them but that's what I've always thought at least. And it's not too crazy to be outside the realm of possibilities anyway
"You might know everything I'm going to do but that's not gonna help you because I know everything YOU'RE going to do! STRANGE, ISN'T IT?"
- _Literally Sonic during the classic era._
The design problems are something I recently noticed extent to Modern Sonic's design too- particularly, his quills.
Look at some pictures/renders of Sonic in Frontiers or Forces, and then look at his artwork in Sonic Adventure 1. In SA1's art, his quills are not only MUCH longer, but they have a VERY strong curve- heck, they curve so much his quills reach his back. With how they curve, it gives Sonic's shape a "swirling" or "spinning" look, even when he's standing still, and with how long his quills are this is especially pronounced- not to mention it makes it easier to make them look long and thin, and therefore, pointy- like as if they're quills.
Then you look at the boxart for Frontiers and... his quills don't even go down to his neck. They barely curve at all, and they're so short that they don't have much of a point either.
According to the lead dev of Frontiers when asked about this on Twitter, he said this was intentional because they wanted him to look "cute" and "reminiscent of Classic Sonic", but hadn't realized just how much people like Sonic to looker cooler.
Classic Sonic's appearance in Generations is representative of a misunderstanding between Sonic Team and what fans want out of Sonic's design period, beyond even just Classic Sonic's design.
Still not letting go of Classic Sonic I see. Also they tried to make him look "cute"?? What??!
Source on the Tweet?
I always thought this classic sonic felt more round. When I would compare I saw he was just as round in the classics, but yeah, it's totally the proportions. I didn't consider his stomach was just plain bigger
Yeah I completely agree.
I also feel like Classic Sonic's blue color should be a tad bit darker just like it is in Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K. Also I feel his controls could be better; more similar to how the are in the classic games
Tbh a lot of people have already complained of Classic Sonic but because he doesnt act or looks like the cool Sonic we used to know. You are the first I see breaking down why the design is bad on its own.
Forces thing wasn't really a plot hole anyways. Sonic fans just can't understand such a basic part of time travel to the point my niece seems smarter. She's fucking 7.
Yeah, some people just can't understand a basic concept like split timelines.
@@DGuy32 it's a little frustrating. Especially when this isn't even the first time that's happened.
Yea and timelines and dimensions are synonymous in sonic
@@john_negs7720 yeah but apparently a lot of fans forgot that.
@@john_negs7720 Precisely. "Dimension" is just another word for universe/timeline in Sonic.
This reminds me of the design conflict of "classic" Sonic during the 90s with six quilled Sonic Vs punk quilled Sonic, it was pretty funny to witness tbh.
Also seeing folks complain or be irritated about classic Sonic's official 3D render and proportions is just asking for "rough" irony.
i'm one of those guys who have absolutely no issue with his design..
only thing i really wish for is if he could speak
Yeah when you compare the model to the actual classic Sonic renders, you can see they made Classic Sonic way too cute in 3D.
Eh nah it looks like a good mix of cute and cool
Another part of the continuity... Why does Classic Sonic have a different color scheme? Different shade of blue, different eyelids, DIFFERENT EYES!?
They forced his jumps into an arc like Simon Belmont.
Actually, there is a headcanon that explains Sonic's mutism. Sonic grew up all alone on South Island, with only non-anthropomorphic animals for company. Prior to meeting Tails, the only actual person he encountered was Dr. Eggman. Obviously, he didn't have much of a relationship with him. Sonic and Eggman didn't have to understand each other to try to kill each other. When he met Tails, he started teaching him English, (or whatever language they speak in the world of Sonic). By the time of Sonic CD, which takes place after Sonic 2 (don't listen to anyone that tells you otherwise) he can speak in short phrases, like "Yes!" and "I'm outta here!". Much like Mario only says short phrases because he can't speak English. By the time of Sonic Adventure, Sonic can speak fluently.
On a related note, is Metal Sonic mute in his base form? It seems to be that way in Sonic Heroes, he falls silent when he transforms back. If that's the case, the people who made Sonic Generations didn't seem to know, since he say "Face me if you dare to have the Chaos Emerald."
Sega confirmed CD takes place between 1 and 2, but I love this therory
Finally man! I always had a problem with classic sonic not talking, it was stupid. Btw showin’s classic sonic revamp mod adds a new model to gens that looks really good imo! Otherwise great video Matt!
You’re not alone on this I really don’t believe classic sonic is really that much of a cool character that sega tries to portray him in generations and I’m not much of a fan of silent characters in video games and TV shows and it bothers the hell out of me that classic eggman tails can talk but not classic sonic
Excellent take. There should never have been a "Classic Sonic" added to the lore in the first place.
young sonic > classic sonic
@@Chillipeffer "you are that sonic from another Dimension!"
This line kind of screws everything.
@@willbrgamer5137 It is a localization error.
It was always part of the lore tho
@@willbrgamer5137 Well it doesn't matter anymore because tailstube fixed this.
Now that you talked about it if classic sonic does not have a voice it could be becuse they are following the classic game rules, but then how does classic tails have a voice but sonic does not it does not make sense, in a possible remake they should add the bosses and levels from the Ds version to extend play time
I understand where you're coming from, but neither of these things bother me that much. I think they could've done better on both of these fronts, but I'm not willing to riot over it. My headcannon, which is very simple and probably stupid, is that Classic Sonic didn't feel the need to say anything, so he never did. I really enjoy Nibroc-Rock's renders, as I use them for thumbnail, profile pictures, and stuff like that. I do wish he wasn't chubby because I don't know why they thought that was fitting for a younger Sonic. If Sonic were to grow up like this, would he have this big 'ol belly? I rarely use official renders, so it's not a huge deal. As for the mute voice, whenever Classic Sonic was on screen, I just dubbed my own lines onto him. I've been seeing lots of Classic Sonic hate, and it's pretty no poggers, in my opinion.
Honestly I thought this was a late April Fool's video for a second
4:45 Oh my gosh man that's so true, that evolution between Classic and modern is more accurate, edgier and cooler than the official's one imo. I love it 😍
It’s funny because my little niece hated Sonic but loves classic Sonic and calls him Baby Sonic
Hey Matt! I recently watched your Top 10 Best Sonic levels video for the first time, and I was surprised to see Rooftop Run at #1! However, I know that video is now 2 years old, so I wanted to ask, have your opinions changed on the #1 Sonic level? If so, what is your new favorite?
I think the not speaking thing really threw me off. It just feels weird and off putting.
But I do have issues with the gameplay as well. I think a lot of the side scrolling sections of games don’t feel great to play. They either feel too slow, or have momentum killers. The jumping feels off, the bounce back from hits is frustrating. And if I remember correctly, you couldn’t grab rings immediately after getting hit which just felt bad. The jumps also feel too short. Oh yeah, and the abilities that you need to equip to make the gameplay better is an obvious tell that the gameplay needed fixing, and even those don’t fully fix the gameplay. They just make certain things a little less annoying.
Overall it’s fine I guess, but it’s a lot of little things that add up to not actually feel like real classic sonic games.
My favorite design of classic sonic is probably the OVA design. I always felt like that design was both cool and cute, but not overdoing it like the design in this game. It feels like a mixture between toei sonic and the Japanese sonic design.
Really? I love Classic Sonic’s design.
2:50 How have I not seen that in all my 22 years on this freaking earth...
4:00 honestly I liked the first fan render you showed better then the second one.
If there's one thing that bothered me about classic sonic, is that his head and neck look way too detached, it's like his head is balancing on his around stomach and his quills look far too Blunt.😅
I always found Classic's lack of a voice weird as well. You're telling me the Modern cast gets the voices changed twice before Generations and it's fine but apparently Sega couldn't get one guy and they were just like "welp, lost cause". They can't even fall back on Sonic "never speaking in the classic games" because he had a line in CD. Classic Tails said nothing in the games and he can speak to his hearts content in Generations. Everthing about Classic Sonic when he's in a modern game feels like constant small paper cuts that pile up which is why I hope the past and future (or 2 dimension, whatever retcon Sega's going with right now) stay separate.
Every time Sonic had to speak in the classics was sadly retconned out in Origins, because lol.
Cuz jaleel white was too expensive
"Pac-Man is cute and friendly"
Street fighter X Tekken moment
Pac-man is in a sonic costume with a fast potion. Wow.
I didn't think he was mute, I thought he just chose not to speak
A head cannon that makes since is that he thinks modern sonic is weird and doesn’t want to talk to him
I have no problems with how Classic Sonic looks. It's a great design.
I had the exact same thoughts about classic sonics design! I’m so happy somebody brought it up I was so confused
"some nice throwbacks" that's the whole game dude
2:38
I thought you were gonna say mickey mouse of all things lol
6:42 bruh how does this headcannon solo the whole of sonic forces storyline
Including Adventures/SatAm/Underground, the OVA, Sonic CD, and Sonic Schoolhouse... classic Sonic actually had more voice actors than Modern (at the time at least, so not counting Prime). They really had no excuse to not give him a voice.
Amazing Video!
He looks like that squishy weird sonic toy.
People think Toei Sonic looks "edgy"? He's also cute lmao Adventure era apologists always trying so hard to make Sonic edgy.
Nice vid! Something else that bothers me that I've never seen anyone point out is that classic Tails and Robotnik talk but not Sonic, like huh?
People have been commenting on this for quite some time really, it's just that they don't refer to him as "classic Sonic"... but as "Santiago".
Would you be okay if classic sonic was voiced by black jack?
Love your vids mat❤
My gripe with Classic Sonic's model is that his eyes look too wide. Now hear me out, in Sonic 1 and 2, the guy looked pissed, like he had an attitude and was ready to get down to business. Generations/Forces' Classic Sonic looked like he's about to ask you to help him find his mom
To be honest i agree his the weakest part to me in gens because the boosting level where kined of the cherry on top not as better as unleashed but you get the point but there were still fun stages in classic sonic i had a great time with sky sanctuary and classic city escape with classic sonic and i will rather play classic sonic in gens more than classic sonic in forces
Sonic superstars: fixed that for you
I want that redesign as a mod now.
just asking what ever happened to classic sonic having a high pitched voice like in sonic schoolhouse and the old commercials?
I never actually thought about it but yeah he doesn’t have the energy of classic sonic.
4:15 woah so you have something in common with Elise.
BEWARE THE SANTIAGO
I love the gameplay and I don’t think it needed much of a story, but i feel like I would’ve liked it more if its story was just a little more out there, especially with sonic saving his friends and them not doing much at the end of the day. And i never found myself wanting to go replay classic levels
I think i cool thing they could have done is after you rescue one of sonic friends they called back to a previous adventure for example after you rescue rouge she and sonic call back to the events of adventure 2
Just like you, haven’t heard any one else talk about this, and yeah, it is a topic of concern! Thank you!
I do have a head canon for why Classic Sonic is mute. His voice box is broken. He can still hear, but he can’t talk. Tails eventually fixes his voice box after they get older/closer/Tails gets smarter. If anyone has thoughts on this head canon, please let me know, I love having these head canon conversations! ☺️
This video killed my parents and left me unable to speak
I have no problems with how Classic Sonic looks overall in Generations, and I've always found Classic Sonic's lack of a voice very weird, and my problem with Classic Sonic is that he can't talk, Classic Eggman and Tails can talk but Classic Sonic cannot, and my assumption for why Classic doesn't speak has been because they figured that no matter how they portrayed the Classic Design of the Blue Blur vocally, Sonic fans would be in an uproar, so that's why Sega left Classic Sonic mute to play it safe, but anyways, It's glad to hear someone on the internet talk about the design of Classic Sonic, and I totally agree that Classic Sonic needs his design modifed (even though I still like his design) and Classic Sonic needs to have a voice actor (Jaleel White, etc), and as always, Great Video Matt! Stay Safe!
Isn’t there a new mod that redesign classic Sonic from blue vivacity?
that was a mod, the new model for him in it was good but i don't think Matt was interested to talk about it
In Sonic CD, Sonic has a voice when he says "Yes!" (Extra life) and "I'm outta here!" (Time Over).
They shoulda used that guy.
How about doing a video for an idea for a sonic racing spinoff game and who you wanna see a playable character like for example for me i wanna chaos and mecha sonic from sonic and knucles to be playable how about you and do you wanna a guest character from sonic comics for me i dream to see dr Zachary and emperor mettalix on the big screen maybe on a sonic and sega racing game see both of them with characters like axel from streets of rage and opa opa and ristar and night
I think you need to do a video about your ideas for a sonic racing game do you wanna see a 4th riders game or another sonic racing game or another rivals game or a diffrent type of racing and what's your roaster of characters and stages
Interesting take! I agree with some pointed and disagree with others but I understand where your coming from
Common Matt L, Classic Sonic looks great in Gens
no he looks awful same with metal.
There's a mod for the game that replaces Classic Sonic's model with a 3D version of Sonic 2's sprite.
I legit love this guy...
He likes sonic cd
He likes sonic ova
He likes the og giga Chad classic sonic
He likes cool ost.
I'm saying it again... I love this guy
The reason Classic Sonic doesn't speak is all because of Genesis Era Sonic Game purists from 10-15 years ago who cited Sonic speaking as one of the worst qualities about him at the time, and Sonic Team listened to them when they were responding to the backlash aimed at Sonic 4. I'm mostly referring to some of the snobs who used to hang around the Sonic Retro forums that occasionally dropped in at Sega's old forums.
The current iteration of Classic Sonic's 3d render has a lot in common with Sonic 1's promotional design, particularly the claymotion Sonic from the Japanese commercials. Clearly, Junio Sonic (the one everyone erroneously dubs Toei Sonic) is one of the universally praised designs for Sonic all around for many years, in addition to Yuji Uekawa's Sonic and Hideaki Moriya's respective box art styles for the Sonic Adventure/Advance games and the Sonic Riders games.
Night jungle joyride > day arid sands
to answer the question in the thumbnail it was me. i'll do it again and you can't stop me
4:14 bruh that message was harsh
Did he just say that classic sonic doesnt look like the og classic sonic, then list all the ways he looks the same?
also i just noticed, classic Sonic and classic Tails are the same height which shouldn’t and if Tails was bullied for having two tails and can talk Sonic should have had a voice in Generations
4:32 certified
Tbh after this I agree. I always felt like this classic sonic design wasn't the as in the 90s
Fun video, but I will say, everybody talks about this. You’re not alone!
Ok but between in-game Classic Sonic and CGI Marza Classic Sonic, which design is better?
Marza Classic Sonic obviously, it's a mixture of the old American and Japanese designs
Marza
Can't unsee Classic 🙃
My problem with Gens is there was no DLC (extra levels from different games) Sega would’ve had all my money but I guess they didn’t want it
This video helped me see a whole other different perspective of Classic Sonic.
Though I admit I always wondered why he didn’t talk yet Classic Tails did which highly annoyed me.
Honestly, I wish that Classic Sonic stayed in Generations.
I enjoyed him in Forces and was very excited but it also highly annoys me that he was there too.
I’m just glad he’s no longer stealing Modern Sonic’s spotlight anymore.
That always hugely annoyed and angered me in the past especially since I’m a bigger Modern Sonic fan and while I do love the classics I find them super overrated compared to the Modern games.
my other fav voice for classic sonic...lets go over to the Sonic Shorts department. I think it was GAMEBUDDY'S voice I really dug lol
I wish he looked like he did in SATAM and was voiced by Jaleel White. And people wanted Jaleel White back because he played Sonic 3 times and had a lot of experience. It would've been cool if they got Ryan Drummond though, or brought back Jim Cummings for classic Eggman.
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tbh i was always confused as to why they didn't bring classic knuckles into the game
i now realize that it probably wouldn't make much sense and would most likely just be a waste of a character
Sonic unleash ultimate could save sonic team if they made it. We would have more games like sonic unleash
They shouldn’t have made his stomach so rounded at least
Would you rather play forces or heroes?
Heroes is the better game but Forces is shorter. If it's a one time thing, I would play Forces. But I feel like I could find more fun out of Sonic Heroes if I try hard enough.
One's underwhelming and the other is overwhelming, so pick your poison
I wish they brought back Jaleel White back for classic sonic
he looks like the current smirky smug dumb modern sonic render that's in every single game that drives everybody crazy.
Everybody ?
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Classic sonic in-game model looks more like the 2d artwork then the model in the renders and trailers