Old VS Modern NUTRITION in the TOUR DE FRANCE
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Need I say it? We need a Victor Campanarts interview. Cheers.
"I presume that's an honor?" Hilarious and savage!
someone called?
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We now have a guest on the Butterfly Effect, what a bonus!👍
Hate to be that guy but this is “beyond the coverage” not the “butterfly effect”. Still nice to have a guest! Great addition
Dr Dag first guest 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Great video. I just got released from the hospital from a brain aneurysm bleed, and the talk at the beginning of the video is surreal. This is unbelievable. I love this channel Chris
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
Get well soon! I'm stuck off the bike after a truck towing a boat ran a red and clipped me... Dislocated left elbow and mild head injury, and a very sore left shoulder. But the mother-effers ain't kilt me yet!
I wish you a speedy recovery
I hope you heal up quickly. 🤞🦋👊
1:18 "you and I, dawg" 🦋 Chris straight outta the hood
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Chris said “Dag,” not “dawg” (or “dog”).
@@kaiserinslo1506 relax, it's ajoke
Oh, in that case…🤣
Fascinating. Yes, I agree more interviews with your pals from the old days!
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ya. you’re a really good conversationalist Chris. you don’t overtalk or over answer…. you’re pro for sure.. nice gentle back and forth volley of thoughts and ideas. very watchable. and wow, this depth of view into the most current and pro athlete level. damn. thanks man
Thanks. I wasn’t sure how it would go but it seemed to work out ok. 🦋👊
He should be on the actual live broadcast team, but then he would make Phil look bad.
Love this, Chris!!
More interviews.
With your record and connections, I bet there are so many amazing people in cycling that would gladly be interviewed and be a part of your amazing show.
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@@ChrisHornerCyclingChris, how often are riders tested for anything illegal?
Brilliant interview Chris! Would love it if you could get some more guests on, maybe get Cadel if you can to talk through some epic stages you two were in!
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Did you notice that Tadej tucked a little can of Coke that was handed to him by his domestique in his back pocket yesterday on Stage 15? I was surprised at the time to see that riders still drank Coke. Very interesting interview. Excellent idea.
Cold Coke is pretty good-fast carbs, caffeine and bubbles-what’s not to like?
It's the best placebo out there. Double blind peer review and they keep coming back for it
I remember doing a half Ironman and seeing flat cokes being given out at aid stations on the run and let me tell you a cold flat coke does wonders when you’re halfway through the run. I know professional cyclists often get cokes during rides, but I wonder if they are flattened out before the riders get them. The bubbles will wreck you during a run, but maybe the effect is not as bad on the bike.
Coke is usually saved for the very end of a race for one last quick hit of energy before the finish.
It’s in all the team cars on race day. 🚗 🦋👊
Chris, maybe you should measure climbs in terms of Snickers bars : Cat 1 Snicker - Cat 3 Snickers, HC=Haute-Coke+3 Snickers.
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This doctor is awesome. He explains complex topics on simple words.
Super appreciate the sponsors Chris has chosen... both something I'm interested and don't mind the ads and the extra content here is great
He keeps it to a minimum, on wedu it's much of their videos. I actually stopped watching them for that reason.
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I've had bad patches on long hilly rides with high carb intake. Eating a cheese and pickle sandwich has completely transformed my day😅
great Chris! and thanks for your optimism on Jonas - the fact that he's just simply amazing in this TdFis super amazing, just 4 months from having a punctured lung, broken ribs, no training......
Jonas really is super here. 👊🦋💪
"Coke and a snickers just won't cut it anymore" 😂
the clip of Cav at the end is so good in it's entirety- when he realizes they have 16km to ride back to the bus and says "oh no!" and people are assuring him it's ok, "it's downhill" 🤣
Yeah imagine fructose dextrose keto blah blah blah in a 39-year-old guy breaking records! Are you for real? 😂😂😂😂
I once heard Chris say the biggest advancement in cycling tech over the years was the clothes...I gotta believe the science of sports nutrition has changed/improved at least as much...if not more. Very interesting conversation. I appreciated his objectivity/honesty when he said, "well, we don't know entirely" when referring to the mechanisms of action of ketones.
EARLY 1900s:
Nutrition was not a focus for riders in the early years of the Tour. The first Tour winner, Maurice Garin, reportedly ate at bars and drank from fountains along the way. The 1903 champion recalled consuming the following items during a 24-hour race: 45 cutlets, 19 litres of hot chocolate, 8 cooked eggs, 7 litres of tea, 5 litres of tapioca, 2 kilos of rice, lots of strong red wine, coffee, champagne, and oysters.
1900s-1960s:
It was common to drink alcohol while competing in endurance cycling events until the 1960s. Riders drank various drinks, from beer to wine to champagne, for both hydration and, reportedly, to have more fun during those long, grueling stages. Riders would have to wait until the 1970s for proper sports drinks to replace their beverages of choice.
1910s: Enjoy a picnic
The Tour de France in the early 1910s had no feeding stations or soigneurs to help riders with fuelling. Riders just stopped along the road to refuel, usually with outside assistance. This would get you disqualified in the modern era of cycling.
The wealthier cyclists had their butlers set up picnics on the roadsides somewhere in the middle of the stage-if they could afford it. The choice of food was based mostly on “whatever gets you filled up quickest”. In France, that meant traditional European carb-heavy ingredients such as bread and pasta.
1920s: The first musettes
Around the time of World War I, the first use of musettes in cycling was recorded. Musette bags for cyclists roughly resembled those used by military troops in World Wars I and II. They allowed cyclists to grab all the snacks they needed without having to get off the bike. This tradition continues even today, although the contents of the bags has changed quite a bit.
The 1920s are also famous for cyclists smoking cigarettes to supposedly “open up the lungs” before big climbs. Thankfully, this tradition didn’t stand the test of time.
1930s: The rise of nutrition
It was in the 1930s that Tour de France riders started to consider nutrition as something important to their racing. The authors of a 1997 study called “Search for the Competitive Edge: A History of Dietary Fads and Supplements” wrote this:
“By 1939, Tour de France cyclists-those at the front of the pack-reportedly performed better after taking vitamin supplements”.
1936 Tour
1930-1960s: Cycling teams are introduced
Tour de France organisers introduced national teams in 1930 and sponsored teams were allowed beginning in 1962. This brought about a change in nutrition too. The era of the scavenger racer was gone. Riders now ate their breakfasts and dinners as a team at hotels along the route.
Most riders still waited until after the first 100 km of racing before eating food from their musettes. But nutrition only increased in importance from that point on. We will take a look at that in our next article, covering the post-war Tour de France era.
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I like the diet of the 1903 champion…😂😂
AI blather. Boo…
@@yelapa999 thanks for taking the time
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This is so cool! Love the nutrition lesson. Great guest, Chris!
Hell yeah, Chris! Congrats on the first of many. Your guys report was enjoyable and full of insights.
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Loved the first guest in the butterfly effect. The chesterfield was real comfy for this one. Thanks Chris.
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@@ChrisHornerCycling Chris you ever try eating the hardened roast beef juices on the bottom of the cooking pan after your roast beef had been in the refrigerator the night before?
This is amazing!!!!!!!! I been watching since 1995 and I have never heard such of honest comments. Wow!!!!!!!!! Outstanding show Chris!!!!!!!
Great discussion Chris.
You really should get sponsored by Snickers and Coke for all of the mentions...but the body doesn't know the source of the sugar :D. Great, engaging content as always! Would love more of these educational sessions!
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Greetings to you both! Nice to see the ever smiling Dag as a guest on the show, Chris, I’m also in Dag’s debt for helping/guiding me out of a travel illness when visiting with Astana at the 2008 spring classics. Happy to see he’s still taking good care of riders in this tough sport!
I really enjoy the insight into how the sport has changed.
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Great episode. I like the guest format. I still don’t understand the ketone metabolic pathway completely but it’s an interesting topic.
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This info is pure gold!!!
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Fascinating info! Wanted to hear the Doc talk more.
Chris... You are one of the best commentators.. smart and to the point... KEEP THE GUESTS COMING.. Solid addotion to your show and adds a way for you to bring more to the table. Loved it
Awesome interview. Thank you!
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More of these !!!
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The advancement of nutrition in athletics like endurance sports will hopefully help society as a whole with nutrition. One can hope!
Great interview! Very interesting for amateur cyclists, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the practical advice. I need all the help I can get!
As a Medic in the Army I was fortunate to be used as medical support in June 1977 on Paddy's March. I listed clothing, gear and food for the start of the 300 mile walk about. My pack weighed 30 Kilos, about 66 pounds! We shopped as we walked past stores.
I love how coke has become a constant fixture in the realm of endurance sport, from the professional peloton at the Tour de France to mass-participation marathon events. I’m used to seeing flat coke given out at aid stations during triathlon events, so I’m curious if the team drivers are de-gassing the cokes before giving them out to their riders. The bubbles can really wreck you while running, but maybe the effect is not the same on the bike.
Guest interviews! Awesome ... really liked hearing from an actual Dr. in the Sport of cycling regarding Ketones! Ty Chris!
absolutely loved this episode ! you should do more interviews like this with such interesting information!!!
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Pogi grabbed 2 cokes right around the time Matteo J had to change bikes in the valley before the final climb... Personally I prefer Mexican coke because there's no fructose or corn syrup in it - I'm fructose intolerant!
Fructose is crucial for proper carb loading.
@@tonyg3091 indeed, having no sugar (e.g. it's main almost sole source of carbs) would make it completely useless drinking one during rides..
Yeah unless you're one of the people who cannot make the enzyme to break it down! Sucrose works just fine, and the special non-fructose-containing candy I buy is cheaper! Biggest downside is the weight of the glass coke bottle and no twist - off available... If I eat more than half a gel with fructose in it during a long event, I'll be glued to some smelly gross toilet 2-3 hours later while some other bloke is heading onto a podium! It took me a lot of years and many many GI specialist doctor visits to figure out why I was suffering. I even got mistakenly diagnosed with colitis. Fructose intolerance as bad as I have it is relatively rare, but there are thousands of people walking around with mild intolerance who are just known among their friends as "occasionally gassy and unpleasant to be around."
Good thing you got two options available. 🥤🦋👊
@@craighamley3669 Fructose is not broken down by enzymes , it is a simple sugar. What you lack is fructose carriers in the enterocites in the small intestine.
But anyway, no bueno indeed but there are alternatives.
Hope this is the start of the Heroes of the Butterfly Effect series. If so, the act of not featuring our man Vic and the Solerism would be a bad move, to say the least. I mean, this is the stufff that the Chesterfieldians' legends are made of.
Chesterfieldians!
Thanks Chris, very enlightening, I hope that you will continue to do vlogs like this in future
Great video man! Continue to bring some guest every now and then! Well done bro!
I think ketones in this way may have their place with athletes and events, but as a daily protocol I would tread with care especially with kidneys in mind . I believe the jury is still out.
Hey Jane. Researchers are actually looking at ketone esters to improve kidney function.
It is designed for daily use.
I have never once come across a study showing any deleterious effect of ketones on the kidneys. If anything, it's always been a positive. On the extreme side there are plenty of people on extremely long stints on the ketogenic diet - nothing ever shown to be bad for kidneys there. The ketogenic diet has in fact helped lots of diabetics cure their syndrome, and rejuvenated their kidneys after the kidneys got ravaged by diabetes (a carbohydrate disease).
Looks like pro cyclists are using everything they can for maximum effect vis-a-vis extreme power and endurance. Nothing a normal person needs to consider, honestly. None of us outside of the elite will go through 10k calories per day for days on end.
The riders have been using them for a long time now. 🤔🦋👊
@@KetoneAid they can also get kidney stones more easily. The evidence is there if one is willing to look. ;)
@@SMathai there's plenty of info about ketones and kidney stones.. Do look outside the bubble. Ketones can also be very dangerous for some diabetics, so please tread carefully.with conveying misinformation. Every body is different and there is no panacea that works for everone. Even the person interviewed was judicious about it.
Fascinating insights. Also, so true on studies based on results observed in normal non-pro athlete participants - so many unquantifiable factors in play
Loving the biggest headphones in the world!
Chris is old school and the foam of that headphone is very comfortable. I work in an FM radio station since 1992, and headphones are way better and more comfortable than earphones but when I ride my bike, of course, I use earphones hehehe.
Yes they are. But the sound was really good. 😂🦋👊🎧
@@ChrisHornerCycling you could be a radio host from the 70s
This was fantastic. Great addition. I still like and crave Coke and Snickers when I'm in the middle of a long day in the saddle. Guilty....
Dang I didn't know there was so much science and math involved, I love it! Genetic tests to see which food is best for you 🤯
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You got that right Fozzie Bear a lot of science involved in performance enhancing drugs for sure
Great show. Thank you!
Nice to have celebrated team doc on the show. Great questions for him but I noticed you cut him off a couple times and he never backtracked to finish his thinking on diets.
Chris, I would like you comment about Pogacar used a 54 Carbon-Ti CarboRing chainring in 2023 when he won the Tour of Flanders and then requested a 55x40 set-up for 2024.
Great work Chris, I would love to see half of the video is interview and the other half is post-stage analysis.
I thought he was going to say "I'm 33 years old" lol. Awesome interview Chris. I really like the idea of having a guest on with you. Try to get Remco!
I love your videos - good one. I don't know anyone who doesn't think Pogacar is juiced on something else, though. That just wasn't credible the other day. Hope I'm wrong.
Hippocratic Oath: first, do no harm
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i love this! back in the EARLY 80's, when i was riding double centuries, i was drinking whole milk and eating bananas and poptarts. People who were "in the know" thought i was nuts.seems i was a bit ahead of the curve :)
This is so interesting. Great video. Thank you for also explaining the ketone phenomenon. It's amazing how much we've learned from nutrition science. Even individual tests for athletes to determine their specific nutrition needs. Even more interesting, with this amount of information, how do we still see athletes bonking? Didn't Tadej bonk last year in the TdF? And some have argued he bonked on that stage that Jonas beat him on the final sprint. So, what's that about? Don't tell me they forget to eat. Maybe some athletes get upset stomachs? I know plenty of competitive cyclists who have trouble feeding where they are in specific heart rate zones.....
What about the long term effects of using ketones?
You may live longer.
Teams have been using Ketones for some time now. 🤔🦋👊
Like meeting a couple of pushers on the street corner.
That was a great show. Thanks.
I wonder if you could include references to the scientific papers about taking Ketone esters like Ke4.
Makes sense. The body probably thinks when its got ketones in its system, that it must have been without food for a few days so is up-regulated to absorb food and calories faster than usual when it gets fed. I may be wrong of course, but sounds plausible.
Would have liked to have asked him about his opinion on the Vingegaard accident recovery. To me, it has been nothing short of miraculous. What does it take to heal, and get back to the level he is at so quickly? What is the difference between recovery today, and what Chris went through years ago(since the crash injuries seemed very similar)?
Me too, I had a collapsed lung 20 years ago and still subtly feel it... I understand thats normal for many surgeries. I still have some issue with elevation, pressure when diving underwater, and dust.
the crash injuries werent the same by far, Froome also broke his legs and arms. so that meant he had a wayyyy longer recovery needed, it took many months before he even could start training, it was so bad he had to learn how to walk again. there also lies the big difference in recovery, Vingegaard started riding his bike in less then 2 months so he still had his base left from all the training he did before his crash. Whereas Froome first had to learn how to walk again and had no benefit left from any training he did before his crash.
@@joowsty I was referring to Chris Horner, not Froome. Chris Horner had a similar accident with broken ribs, punctured lung, and broken collarbone. It is really odd you would think I was referring to Froome considering this is Chris Horner's channel, and he has discussed his accident in some depth. You must not watch it very often. May I recommend that you know what people are referring to before taking the time to make a point that in no way makes sense.
@@janefreeman995 I also broke my ribs and had a collapsed lung from a cycling accident. It was only 3 years ago, and I still live with a lot of pain from it. They plated 8 ribs with titanium, and this means my ribs no longer flex.
@@thecellulontriptometer4166 hahaha i swear i saw Froome, but that is my mistake, its not because i dont know about the Horner story about his similar injuries, i do watch almost every video on here. so its my bad, i really thought i read Froome, so not sure whats wrong with me haha.
what i do also remember about Chris story is that he had a setback puncturing his lungs again, due to his ribs slashing his lungs again cuz of that machine he doesnt recommend. so probably thats one of the reasons, the other could be that Vingegaard is even better at recovering from injuries.
I should comment as this is history 1st guest since butterfly effect started. at least be part of the first few to like and comment... more to come Chris...
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Yeah brain injuries are serious thing Chris my last accident really messed me up bleeding of the brain in five spots it was bad
Nice your first podcast ...i love hearing you...😅😅
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Better to add some video clips in the race to make it easier to be knukled 😅
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Great interview, and a key point at 15 mins about testing athletes already in peak condition. A lot of nutrition and supplements ‘research’ is useless because too many variables change at the same time.
Great show - nice to see Ketonaid on the shelf, a true Ketone Ester, as that other company that seems to be everywhere is not the same as is a Ketone Alcohol but due to lots of advertising and product placement seems to get the most press. Do like how it was stressed by the Dr. how individual things are and also that while studies may be good how things actually work is most important.
Let’s give a round of applause for all the scientists that made these crazy race times possible. Better cycling through pharmacology ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
That dark humor is very funny. 😂🦋👍
I always looked at food as what type of quality of gas or fuel i put in the race engine. Eat clean, high protein diet.
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6:25 pm Very informative, very timely, thanks for the interview. I learn more every year about athletes and what it takes to succeed. Something I have wondered for years and never have heard address is how many people does it take to set up each stage and how many to run it before they tear it down and redo it? Must be like a battle to coordinate?
could you explain a bit more about the mono oxide rebreather that is a grey zone right now?
Loved this!! More science!!!
It's not I don't want to believe in clean sports, I really love cycling, I'm following for more then 50 years now, and a the Tour winners wereld users.
Once they told us lance was riding clean... Then wiggins was clean.. then Froome....
We all know' how clean they we're, right?
But..l this man horner is the most gifted athlete ever... Won the vuelta at the age of 41..
During the epo pandemic
He did it clean
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As "Cycling Highlights" said, even Remco was faster on the last climb of stage 15 than Pantani in 1998 at the very height of the doping... Tadej 3 1/2 minutes quicker.... history does tend to repeat itself and all the dopers are still there in the background running the teams, seems the UCI knows they cannot stop this but will not bring the sport under the damaging limelight anymore... In all honesty they should just allow them to take what the hell they want, short glory filled lives and would make for interesting viewing with a Tom Simpson event every stage lol
According Tadej the explanation to his increase in pace is down to having oatmeal in the morning, if only the other riders in the peloton was on to this aswell xD
After seeing that Tadej and Jonas not just beat, but obliterated Pantani’s record on the Plateau de Beille, they must have both been crushing oatmeal. Never mind the other names of the other fastest pro riders on that climb, like Basso and Armstrong. The greatest climbing performance recorded occurred the day after another big climbing day. That oatmeal and ketone plan has truly unbelievable recovery properties.
Yeah, it's def the nutrition...
If you make it into ketosis you have an increased ability to use fat as a fuel source so it makes sense in easy training it can lead to weight loss as long as they are not pounding too many carbs. The performance part and recovery part seems like something else altogether. Interesting interview.
Coke and Sneakers... i think i´ve heard this before....kkkkk.... for me, an amateur rider, not in competitions anymore, coke is just fine and very taste...kkkkk..... anyway, very interesting interview, bring to us a little of pro universe. Thanks Chris.
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are Cav and most sprinters gone after tomorrow as there is nothing left for them anymore?
Usually it's a sprint on the final stage... but not going into Paris and didn't look at the profile.
@@janefreeman995 Brutal mountain stages on friday and saturday (like up to 2800m)
Three are going to the end. Cav because last Tour and record. Girmay Biniam and Philipsen Jasper because of Green Jersey.
I was wondering the same thing about the sprinters. I don’t think Cav would leave because this is his last TdF and I would guesss that he would want to finish his last TdF. The other sprinters also would like to finish right now but at this moment their legs feel pretty good after a rest day. By stage 20 the legs may remind them that finishing is not a special as they thought. 😂🦋👊🔥
Would flat coke be superior to Gatorade if you're in danger of bonking?
Kelly was told never to drink during stages, and it would slow him down, most of his team did not listen but he did, was a dry period in terms of wins
6 hour ride on an empty stomach . Crazy . I should try empty stomach for an hour in zwift .
Great interview Chris the one question I'd like to ask is him is what's the purple stuff that most of the guys are drinking at the end of the race
Thank you Chris for this great interview. You did well.
Is this new vision on food that good that the riders are now faster then the dope users in the old days? Pogi, Jonas and Remco where faster then Pantani and Armstrong!!!
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Can you get some of the riders to come onto your show?
This was the best information on cycling nutrition since I heard about the recovery beer after the ride. I guess I will think twice about popping another recovery beer and supplementing it with Keton-IQ, but I have to be careful because the Keton-IQ with beer will give me more buzz!
KetonIQ is an alcohol. It will get you drunk by itself. It is not the real ketone ester. Don't be tricked.
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Great content Chris, thank you very much. Always love to watch your videos. Sometimes I disagree, but most of the times you are spot on. One question, i hink it was last year or the year before you also tryed Ketone but it does not worked for you. Has that changed, or is Ketone just ment for athleates that train professional?
Love the guests but try to get them to use a headset. Audio is horrible
Dag was great. 👊🦋🎧
McDonalds! I knew there was a PED involved!!
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Would really love to know what performance-enhancing drugs are being utilized now in modern times because it's virtually undetectable has great recovery capabilities and attributes. It's not EPO it's not testosterone I mean I'm not sure what class of drugs they're using but they are amazing
Yesterday we could clearly see Tadej grabing a coke during stage 15.
what is the data on the tart cherry juice many are drinking at the finish?
Being transparent about what they eat,drink and take for recovery. Can only good for the sport.
Chris, How do you get 200 grams of carbs to pass thru the stomach lining an hour and then you need also 3 parts water for every gram for osmosis? Or is this carbs being absorbed in the upper intestine? How do they keep from getting sick stomach?