How Darth Sidious Became Such a Deadly & Powerful Lightsaber Duelist

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  • @Andrews__YT
    @Andrews__YT Год назад +62

    Sidious seems to me to actually enjoy lightsaber combat, too; smiling and cackling in joy, revelling in cutting loose a bit.

    • @dickvandraevan1675
      @dickvandraevan1675 Год назад +10

      He didn't he simply liked mocking Jedi for using it. He legit just didn't like sabers and preferred to use the force. He thought Jedi weak for having to rely on sabers

    • @Andrews__YT
      @Andrews__YT Год назад +4

      @@dickvandraevan1675 That's fair. Certainly in character for him to enjoy beating Jedi at their own game, so to speak

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 Год назад +4

      @@Andrews__YT He had been hiding in plain sight for decades, waiting basically his entire life to cut loose. That´s why he was having the time of his life in the duel against Yoda. But he also respected his "little green friend", especially after that Force Push. That´s why he attempted to flee, it was simply the wiser decision. But when he was hindered he had no choice but to go all out. Might as well enjoy a fight to the death, it may very well be the last thing you ever enjoy lol

  • @HCBailly
    @HCBailly Год назад +58

    I feel like Sidious detests lightsaber dueling so much that he learned how to master it, solely for the purpose of ending duels quickly, so he wouldn't have to spend more time on it.

    • @Jedilord882
      @Jedilord882 4 месяца назад

      People often forget that one’s innate force capability has a profound impact on their lightsaber performance.
      With Sidious’ obscenely high level of force sensitivity, this translates into an extremely potent form of force enhanced condition, which essentially means Sidious can move quicker, react faster, and hit harder than the vast majority of his opponents. He’s stated to be so quick that untrained eyes can only see the silhouette of his red lightsaber when he’s in combat.

  • @dereklopez9060
    @dereklopez9060 Год назад +143

    It would've been satisfying to see Palpatine kick Rey's ass with his lightsaber since he mastered all 7 forms. But you know Disney.

    • @darylsdesigns6679
      @darylsdesigns6679 Год назад +17

      I can see that, though knowing Sidious, I doubt he’d waste time dueling someone with little to no saber training, especially since he favored Force abilities over physical combat

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Год назад +20

      Disney star wars is poorly written generic fanfict

    • @nodatastored684
      @nodatastored684 Год назад +2

      That's what I expected all they did was X-Men stand around and use powers

    • @nathanjones8475
      @nathanjones8475 Год назад +1

      With push ups, sit ups and plenty of juice.

    • @Arohan71
      @Arohan71 Год назад

      @@alsimmonshellspawn6021 the whole franchise is generic regurgitating of the classic Joseph Campbell heroes journey and even the original Obi Wan hated it. Stop taking this so seriously

  • @chakotaymunsami7741
    @chakotaymunsami7741 Год назад +24

    Sidious must have done a lot sparring sessions with Darth Plagues

  • @OdiVonDobi22
    @OdiVonDobi22 Год назад +5

    This is a excellent breakdown of what Sidious did with his knowledge of lightsaber combat. I find it a better explanation of his style than to simply say he just was a master of all forms of lightsaber combat.
    Instead, saying he understood them well enough plus utilizing a defensive form in a random sequence that was hard to discern for 99% of opponents and then being able to switch to a aggressive form that he used his vast Force potential to augment the form, makes more sense and less Mary Suelike...

  • @TheChuckfuc
    @TheChuckfuc Год назад +61

    Form 6 might be the best style. As the saying goes "Jack of all trades, master of none. Better to be good at all, than master of one."

    • @zincwing4475
      @zincwing4475 Год назад +8

      Not disagreeing here entirely, but you can only do one thing at a time, even in combat. Therefore, some specialization might be useful in most fights.
      What is the point of knowing a 100 ways to punch? You can still only use one per punch. Granted, some situations might call for different weapons and/or techniques, but there are only so many you need to cover almost every situation.

    • @MichaelWilliams-ti7pn
      @MichaelWilliams-ti7pn Год назад +4

      I agree with both of you guys

    • @Angelo-nd4lg
      @Angelo-nd4lg Год назад +2

      Niman is good for wise fighters but it can also be subverted in direct confrontation by specialist forms. It works best when there are many options to be considered and opportunities to be taken.

    • @TheChuckfuc
      @TheChuckfuc Год назад +2

      @@Angelo-nd4lg I'd agree. So long as a specialist can draw you into a fight of their choosing. Otherwise, the more versatile fighter has the advantage.

    • @pigboiii
      @pigboiii Год назад +3

      Never knew the second part of that but thats pretty good

  • @pwn0nfire180
    @pwn0nfire180 Год назад +29

    He was a master of juyo, making him unpredictable is how he overcame the jedi masters so quick in his office

    • @chawwnayala532
      @chawwnayala532 Год назад +8

      It was the scream that dumb founded the Jedi

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 7 месяцев назад

      He mastered all seven forms

    • @crazymulatto8981
      @crazymulatto8981 4 месяца назад

      Form 7/Juyo is my absolute favorite out of all lightsaber styles just for the fact that it's an insanely aggressive form of fighting.

    • @Jedilord882
      @Jedilord882 4 месяца назад

      He used an assured strike on the first Jedi Master meaning he also had Mikashi mastery

  • @jeremyk.6456
    @jeremyk.6456 7 месяцев назад +4

    I honestly think Sidious uses precision and high levels of skill because he is able to literally toy with multiple opponents with the exception of Yoda. He was very precise in his strikes and movements in order to show his true power over his opponents in the force by being so old and able to be acrobatic, nimble, aggressive, defensive, and lethal at a split seconds notice. The only way an opponent would be able to actually fight him in a lightsaber duel would be to completely put themselves into the force and hope that they had enough will/power in the force that the force wills that persons victory against Sidious.

  • @DiegoTheRebel
    @DiegoTheRebel Год назад +3

    It's funny how Palpatine thinks dueling is stupid while being skilled at it. It's like how Terry in "The Other Guys" practiced ballet when he was young so he could make fun of people who take ballet.

  • @bencarignan2711
    @bencarignan2711 Год назад +63

    I wish they didn't bring him back for Ep 9. If they had made Snoke to be Darth Plagueis, and had allowed him to remain the central antagonist, it would have tied things together soooooo much better.

    • @efwewfwef1549
      @efwewfwef1549 Год назад +13

      ep 7-9 never happened.....

    • @jonathanhampshire6856
      @jonathanhampshire6856 Год назад +1

      @@efwewfwef1549 from a certain point of view. 😁

    • @bullravenproductions
      @bullravenproductions Год назад +2

      Plagueis died in episode one…
      Sidious always came back in a similar way to the movies in Legends.

    • @efwewfwef1549
      @efwewfwef1549 Год назад +5

      @@bullravenproductions plagueis did NOT die in episode one!!! palpi just told anakin a "story". so who the hell knows what really happened. they could have easily brought him back!!
      but since disney butchered the sequels in every possible way i pretend the sequels never have happened.
      and the legends version of palpi surviving was stupid too and no reference for a genuine good written story!!

    • @bullravenproductions
      @bullravenproductions Год назад

      @@efwewfwef1549 This channel has several videos that confirm he was. I believe he specifically quotes from the book Plageuis. Sounds like you’re just a whiner considering you are willing to change the history and deny any portrayal of Palpatine. Calling him Palpi is as dumb as your opinions.

  • @Sandlund93
    @Sandlund93 Год назад +2

    Connection to the Force and rigorous training is one thing but what completely changed the game is when he became the senate.

  • @pjjohnson7318
    @pjjohnson7318 Год назад +23

    Love all you analytical videos. Especially the ones that focus on Dooku and Sidious.
    I would push back on two points: 1) That he has not mastered all forms of lightsaber combat and that he’s dangerous due to his speed.
    Source material says he’s a master of all seven forms and I’d be inclined to believe that.
    There is a narrative amongst some in the fan base, especially since the force council podcast with the RUclips Star Wars versus series was released, that Sidious is not actually skilled but simply fast. The best rebuttal to this is his duel with Mace Windu. According to the novelization Sidious and Windu reached an impasse once Maxe sank into Vaapad. This implies that once their speed was equal they continue to fight with no real end in sight. This means that in terms of pure skill Sidious and Windu were dead even.
    While Sidious is faster than most duelist he’s also more skilled than they are.

    • @thanghoang3198
      @thanghoang3198 Год назад

      In the movie, Sidious clearly fell on back foot once the duel went to the large room.

    • @pjjohnson7318
      @pjjohnson7318 Год назад

      @@thanghoang3198It is true that Windu definitely pressured Sidious. I will say, the movies also say that Sidious is a 9 while windu is an 8.

    • @ZootedUchiha
      @ZootedUchiha Год назад

      This is why I love the way he fights.

  • @ericolsen5592
    @ericolsen5592 Год назад +2

    When Samuel L. Jackson signed on to doing Star Wars, I believe he said something like "As long as I don't die like some sucker". So of course, Mace Windu got to face down Sidious himself. But it makes it really funny to hear the fight choreographer say "you're a sucker if you think you're gonna get the best of him"

    • @SidorovichGaming
      @SidorovichGaming Год назад +3

      In the end, Lucas kept his promise to Samuel. His character actually defeated Sidious in direct combat, but got killed because of treachery and betrayal, which is not "suckery". Sidious didn't get his sith name because of his combat power, but because of his talent to deceive.

  • @ggarzagarcia
    @ggarzagarcia Год назад +3

    We need Sith lightsaber wars:
    Darth Bane vs. Exar Kun vs. Tulak Hord vs. Darth Revan vs. Darth Vader (Anakin) vs. Darth Sidious
    Who wins? Analysis? What’s our ranking?

  • @k-3402
    @k-3402 Год назад +3

    Vaapad is the bane of a Sith Lord's existence

  • @andrewsowl8696
    @andrewsowl8696 10 месяцев назад +4

    While I agree with you about the style he uses… I’ll tell you just how he was so good… force enhancement. You can be sloppy with the blade if you are just so fast and strong that it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t need to be good enough with a blade… he just has to be fast and strong enough that it doesn’t matter

  • @a.d.clarke4990
    @a.d.clarke4990 Год назад +4

    9:20 yes. I always thought that was pretty solid evidence he threw that fight, as he sensed Anakin was on his way. That should have been game over, but it didn’t serve Sidious’s purpose to kill Windu then.

  • @Doctor_Bamias
    @Doctor_Bamias 2 месяца назад +2

    I think two important factors are the obvious: The years of intense training under Plaigues but he also had very favourable genetics, considering that he had a very high midichlorian count

  • @amondodamole1473
    @amondodamole1473 Год назад +244

    Also, with Windu, he found out really quickly that he could not toy with him like the other dualist...if Anakin wasn't there for the assist, Windu would have surely finished him off.

    • @Eleolius
      @Eleolius Год назад +17

      Nah. Not a chance. Sidious would have just rolled to the right. And instantly have won the duel via casting 1,000 Clonetroopers. (Sidious, like Dooku, could use Force Fly and could have survived the drop just fine.)

    • @carys3501
      @carys3501 Год назад +41

      I'm not saying Sidious is a better duelist than Windu, but I feel pretty strongly that Sidious threw the fight. He had to put Anakin on the spot to make an irrevocable choice between saving Sidious' life (and therefore Padme in his mind, and the sith) or saving Windu(and therefore the Jedi). I don't think that Anakin walking in on Sidious standing over a decapitated Windu would have had the same effect. It's already pretty clear that Sidious was holding back with his force lightning as he was prodding anakin to choose.

    • @JL10007406
      @JL10007406 Год назад +42

      Lucas said that Windu won the fight. Sidious was looking at Death Star schematics when the Jedi walked in. I think we can say he was not expecting guests and that he lost the fight.

    • @alfredtineo3023
      @alfredtineo3023 Год назад +20

      Sidious threw the fight. He could have killed Windu in the beginning of the fight. Read the book. He was buying time so Anakin can arrived

    • @poppadnice52
      @poppadnice52 Год назад +14

      @@JL10007406 Correction he said he won the duel the lightsaber duel stop saying he won the fight as a whole this is the same George Lucas who said he could have struck down mace windu whenever he wanted in a fight to the death aka (in the force)I swear to God fans use this man as a source not knowing he says a lot of things just to keep from having a debate.

  • @shiningarmour6805
    @shiningarmour6805 Год назад +8

    The Rule of Two Sith were ALL powerful at everything.
    This is because IF the Apprentice before them found them weak at any subject? That's where the Apprentice would strike them to kill them.
    Naturally, even Plagueis and his master were master duelists, because if they weren't? The Apprentice would have killed them that way a loooong time ago.

  • @Matt-pn1ce
    @Matt-pn1ce Год назад +75

    Plo Koon vs Sidious would be a very interesting duel , I think that electric judgement would be very difficult for palpatine to deal with . And it is doubtful he knew he had this ability, he was stunned when yoda absorbed his force Lightning so it is clear palpatine underestimated certain jedi . He even was arrogant against Jocasta seemingly because she was the Jedi librarian

    • @Blazeyblazeyblaze
      @Blazeyblazeyblaze Год назад +6

      It would be interesting but sidious would slaughter plo however I really like plo

    • @benpezzot8805
      @benpezzot8805 Год назад +9

      Plo is very powerful but he would have still lost to palpatine pretty easily

    • @Blazeyblazeyblaze
      @Blazeyblazeyblaze Год назад +3

      I think dooku vs plo would be a great fight near equal in my opinion

    • @danieldavis6288
      @danieldavis6288 Год назад

      I don't think electric judgement would make a difference. He might surprise him with it once, but that's all. Plo is strong, but I doubt he is fast enough to keep up. He can hit like a truck, but he is much too cerebral to pace a wiley devil like Sidious one on one.

    • @hudinisnooop4637
      @hudinisnooop4637 Год назад +1

      @@Blazeyblazeyblaze u guys don't know nothing🤣

  • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
    @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Год назад +10

    Exar kun was the Niman GOAT 🐐 he mastered it highest degree he incorporated techniques from tulak hord and the jedi exile also he was so powerful with The force he could use dark side tendrils while dueling he was too skilled with the blade even mocked a prime luke Skywalker lightsaber techniques

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Год назад +4

      @@damaskholdings9140 I'm not talking about meetra surik I'm talking about about ajunta pall and his crew bro learn the lore.

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Год назад +1

      @@damaskholdings9140 yeah you know more about me 😆 🤣 😂 🤡 traya say the jedi of revan era were like kids playing with toys compared to the true ancient sith lords traya also say nihiluis barely approached some of the ancient sith lords in raw force power, exar kun possessed scrolls 📜 from tulak hord and the dark holocrom which was the most powerful sith holocrom to ever existed exar kun mastered all those ancient techniques that's why the lore say he was essentially uncomfortable in lightsaber combat, he was too versatile gifted and powerful in blade combat, you sound like a casual normie, "exar kun will lose easy" keep talking nonsense 😆 🤣 😂

  • @TheShadow14150
    @TheShadow14150 26 дней назад +1

    “You learned how to dance, sarcastically”
    -Will Farrell

  • @amondodamole1473
    @amondodamole1473 Год назад +6

    Thank ypu for pointing that put that Sidious lost that duel with Windu..some people think he did not but form 7 Vaapad was Windu's spealaty and it's a sith's or dark force user nigjtmare because he can?tap in the darkside and use it against them. Not many master this form

  • @Chavez510
    @Chavez510 Год назад +2

    The hello fresh sponsorship got me. The way you said it

  • @Gamerafighter76
    @Gamerafighter76 Год назад +2

    Leave it to Sidious to make his opponents feel helpless against him.

  • @jw1415
    @jw1415 Год назад +5

    The Jedi are unrelenting...We must hurry and vote to grant emergency governing powers to the Honorable Chancellor Palatine...He will end the war, and bring peace to the galaxy...

  • @pullo5518
    @pullo5518 Год назад +8

    Nice video, I think your analysis is spot on. I read in an official book that darth maul learned and mastered niman and juyo. So it's safe to assume sidious favoured and mastered style 6 and 7.

  • @rocker54_86
    @rocker54_86 Год назад +3

    As a young fan, watching the prequels for the first time, I always felt like Sidious was holding back against Windu. While I agree that Windu is one the BEST duelist amongst the jedi of his time, I believe that Sidious WAS in fact winning against him, only taking the dive when he felt Anakin's presence approaching (obviously to coerce Anakin to the Dark Side).

    • @justaregularguy115
      @justaregularguy115 3 месяца назад +2

      Nah, he was losing against Mace (Mace was redirecting his dark force power back at him with his own added energy) and in a romantic stroke of fate (and possibly the will of The Force, Anakin shows up and provides an opening for Palp.

    • @rocker54_86
      @rocker54_86 3 месяца назад

      @@justaregularguy115 Fair point

  • @mkb4560
    @mkb4560 Год назад +2

    Try to imagine a dark side Yoda fighting Sidous

  • @zincwing4475
    @zincwing4475 Год назад +4

    If you ask me, it is because Sidious is the most dark side character in Star Wars. (Read: most evil). That makes him stronger with the Force and more dangerous in every way. There is no nuance, no compassion, no mercy.
    More importantly, he actively seeks out ways to hurt others, and life around him. He doesn't just act in his own interest, he wants the suffering and harming of others. He is a sadist, and that might well be the purest evil.
    An hypothetical example: if some sort of Force genie-in-a-bottle offered him power, a dozen galaxies to rule however he wished, and all the darkside knowledge he wanted, in exchange for freeing them, he would not take it, at least not in good faith. Because he would still share the universe with this strange entity, and he would never grant a single being, especially one so powerful, their freedom.

  • @darylsdesigns6679
    @darylsdesigns6679 Год назад +32

    Technically, Sidious also lost a duel with Luke Skywalker in Dark Empire, though Luke was empowered by Leia’s Force Harmony ability, which allowed the young Jedi to keep up with Sidious’ speed and power

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Год назад +8

      That luke Skywalker was also way more powerful than he was in return of the jedi

    • @DeathScepter
      @DeathScepter Год назад +7

      keep in mind that Luke did defeat a Top Tiered Sith Lord within Darth Vader and There is a good reason why people feared Sith like Darth Vader. Also Luke has the same potential as Anakin and Leia is the same. I am not shitting on Darth Sidious because He is the main reason why Clone Wars reduced the Jedi Order was a success and Success of Clone War in the eyes of Sidious and thus in the fog of War made Order 66 work so well with Clone's Success against the Jedi Order. Even the best of Jedi can tired out and their defenses can drop and easier to kill

    • @Canbilly2
      @Canbilly2 Год назад +1

      @@DeathScepter I'm going to have to partially disagree. Danger sense is a very basic/fundamental force power that ALL force users learn. It's not hard to keep it up.
      Having said that. I agree that SOME jedi would have fallen to order 66 easily. The younglings, the very beginner Padawans, and MAYBE some newly minted jedi knights.
      But all the rest of the jedi, the mid teir knights, the high level knights ready for their master trials, and full fledged masters would have and should have sensed the betrayal instantly and eliminated their immediate threat. Just like Yoda did on Kashyyk.
      Again, there are levels and the execution of that in the clone wars was lacking.
      Example: Plo Koon was arguably as good or the same at being a starfighter pilot as Anakin Skywalker. It was well known that he was one of the premier fighter pilots in the galaxy. There's no way in hell that he should have fallen to the clone fighters behind him. His danger sense would have alerted him way before the clones attacked. But no, Lucas had one of the most powerful Jedi Masters of his time go down like a chump. Just doesn't make sense. It doesn't jive mang.

    • @DeathScepter
      @DeathScepter Год назад +2

      @@Canbilly2 Jedi are still Mortal, extremely talented mortal. I do think Lucas's point that even the best of us can still fail and get hurt or die. Hk-47 and Atton from Legends did explain how to kill jedi

    • @Canbilly2
      @Canbilly2 Год назад +1

      @@DeathScepter there are certain ways yes. And in the EU there were some ways too. But they were/are very contrived ways. I mean, they literally had to create a race that was immune to the force to present a challenge to the force users in the galaxy. And even then, quite a few jedi masters, like Luke and his family, Corran Horn, and others, were able to hew through them like melted butter.
      Sure they are mortal. But the most powerful of them could essentially become immortal by becoming one with the force. The could effect things in the living world from being a force ghost or sith spirit.
      But like I said. I only partially disagree with you. The Lower level force users makes sense. But force users like Palpatine, Yoda, Kenobi, Anakin, Kloon and a myriad of others would have sensed something is wrong like Yoda.

  • @JoniukasVader
    @JoniukasVader Год назад +5

    Force Practice

  • @OdiVonDobi22
    @OdiVonDobi22 Год назад +2

    I thought for second you were going to say the Ewoks ate the stormtroopers they slaughtered, which in hindsight, I think they actually did...

  • @JamesJones-mt9co
    @JamesJones-mt9co Год назад +3

    I'm also going to explain to you the drill that Darth Sidious is used when learning form three called Falling rain. As a Sith Lord of the Bane lineage Darth Sidious would learn the drill falling rain after the years of developing his Force attunement and what this drill is : practice form three while tapping into the dark side and not one drop of rain is allowed to hit them once this form three is mastered this is when a sith Lord will go and learn the other six lightsaber styles. So what makes Darth Sidious an extremely powerful lightsaber duelist is really simply put it it is his Force attunement when the force attunement is high it is much easier to master lightsaber combat

  • @williamlaw2963
    @williamlaw2963 Год назад +1

    Storm Troopers. The Ewoks ate storm troopers. ("An entire legion of my best troops..") They weren't preparing Luke and Han for a spa day.

  • @lorusvasnormandy3730
    @lorusvasnormandy3730 Год назад +1

    never really was into Star Wars till I found this channel keep up the good work love the channel and have recommended it to a lot of my friends

  • @mikkopenttila7604
    @mikkopenttila7604 Год назад +1

    Oh yes what might the ewoks use for nutritious protein with so many soldiers of the empire, dead and alive, stranded on their moon? "Hello Fresh!"

  • @BULLETPHIL99
    @BULLETPHIL99 Год назад +3

    Sidious is powerful but he’s not some omnipotent god. That’s why he struggled against Windu and Yoda, who are champions of the Jedi order. Even though Sidious has more raw power than Windu, it was a bad match up because of Windus Vaapad, which excels against dark side users.

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  • @ariesstorm9577
    @ariesstorm9577 Год назад +3

    Darth Sidious, like all Sith Lords of the Rule of Two lineage, mastered Fast style, Strong style and Juyo. I would say he mastered Juyo to the same degree that Mace Windu mastered Vaapad. Of the other two styles I would say that Sidious has a clear preference for Fast style, relying more on speed, precision, footwork and acrobatics to overwhelm his opponents as opposed to the more static hack-and-slash moves if Strong style.

  • @Just_Pele
    @Just_Pele Год назад +3

    What did the Ewoks eat? Storm Trooper, medium rare.

  • @teresworrell7973
    @teresworrell7973 Год назад +5

    Technically he lost the lightsaber duel to Yoda

  • @theperfectbotsteve4916
    @theperfectbotsteve4916 Год назад +2

    1:14 the ewalks clearly ate the guards it has been shown they will cook and eat humans and there was an abundance of dead troopers easley avaliable

  • @ejrodriguez2656
    @ejrodriguez2656 Год назад +4

    Right in all points. Sidious wants to lord over his superior skills over the Jedi which is way toys with his opponent using Nyman, once he has had fill he finishes them with Juuyo. Sidious takes Nyman and Juuyo and takes them to they're most extreme levels then utilizes them in a way in which Nyman is the ultimate shield and Juuyo being the ultimate sword.

    • @pullo5518
      @pullo5518 Год назад

      Well said

    • @SidorovichGaming
      @SidorovichGaming Год назад

      It's ambiguous if he was toying with Windu (that time when he had his blade pointed at Windu's chest), because I believe he couldn't strike Mace in the chest because Mace would simply parry that and kill him, not because Palps was toying.

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 7 месяцев назад

      @@SidorovichGaminghe wasn’t toying with windu as far as lightsaber skills go, he might’ve been able to win with the force though

  • @b.msabol8551
    @b.msabol8551 Год назад +4

    I would personally call shenanigans when saying Palpatine was a deadly duelist. Sure he's competent and capable of teaching any form, but his strength was in the force. And someone of that caliber could be considered to be under constant force augmentation such as speed, strength, and stamina. He was fully capable of becoming a serious lightsaber duelist but blade mastery was deemed beneath him. Maul almost outmatched him on Mandalor in swordsmanship until Palpatine ultimately fell back into force use

    • @b.msabol8551
      @b.msabol8551 Год назад +3

      @@damaskholdings9140 I don't hate Palpatine. I just think he's overrated and praised as the best. And I'm not referring to standard force enhancement like bursts of speed or jumping. He's basically the avatar of the darkside, and his enhancement would be constant whether he himself knew it or not. Think of battle meditation without being drained after or preparing for it, but it's always in effect. That's what I was implying. Blade to blade though, he's too arrogant & and full of himself. Vader, Maul, Grievous, and especially Yoda all could have wiped the floor with him if sorcerery didn't come into play

    • @datboielijah1234
      @datboielijah1234 Год назад

      @@b.msabol8551 lol

    • @b.msabol8551
      @b.msabol8551 Год назад

      @@datboielijah1234 glad you're out of Russia. The WNBA got a win 💪👑🙌

  • @DjBaapreB
    @DjBaapreB Год назад +1

    So sidious prepared for battle with hello fresh.

  • @frankh.5942
    @frankh.5942 Год назад +2

    Not exactly germane to this video, but I want to note - Kenobi, too, bested Savage and Maul single-handedly in TCW…injuring Savage and causing Maul to have to force push Kenobi away so that they could flee. I bring this up to say: if we’re going to quote soloing the two of them as one of Sidious’ “most impressive dueling feats,” then I think it’s only fair that we point out Kenobi did it, too… Too many people sleep on Kenobi. Kenobi and Sidious are the only two lightsaber wielders ever to solo Maul and Savage and walk away unscathed.

    • @frankh.5942
      @frankh.5942 Год назад

      I do appreciate Stupendous including a clip from this duel around 5:20. But as the defender of the master of trolling, I felt compelled to make a greater point out of it.

  • @curtislangford3181
    @curtislangford3181 Год назад +2

    Good analysis!

  • @Arohan71
    @Arohan71 Год назад +1

    Niman would actually be perfectly fitting with Palpatine loving to insult the Jedi in subtle ways. Niman was the diplomats form. For the Jedi it let them get the combat skill they needed but focus on the force. Of course Sidious, a politician, would twist that philosophy.

  • @ojebol4774
    @ojebol4774 Год назад +1

    AYO nobody talking abt that sick outro?

  • @DarkKnight-tq5mr
    @DarkKnight-tq5mr Месяц назад +1

    So essentially Sidious is a mixed lightsaber duelist like a real world mixed martial artist.

  • @BJETNT
    @BJETNT Год назад +2

    Not that I am an expert but this makes sense!! I thought this myself but it was just a guess!

  • @captainfach
    @captainfach Год назад +1

    Is it just me or is this the quietest video anybody's ever heard in their life? I had to kick it up like 20 notches

  • @piercelindenberg6842
    @piercelindenberg6842 6 месяцев назад +2

    What do the Ewoks eat on Endor? Dead Imperials.

  • @KXTA007
    @KXTA007 Месяц назад +1

    I would love to see Duncan McLeod from Highlander take on great grandpa palps.

  • @jaredquinney204
    @jaredquinney204 Год назад +1

    I was always curious about this

  • @eaphantom9214
    @eaphantom9214 Год назад +1

    11:56 - Evil! 😈
    Maybe cos of this figting style alone is why he can be deemed - Unpredictable and a very dangerous man,
    A true dark Lord of the Sith! 😁⚔ - If you like

  • @darkmatter6280
    @darkmatter6280 10 месяцев назад +1

    That ad segway 🤣💯 they should pay you more bro

  • @theguy4407
    @theguy4407 Год назад +2

    Mace windu is goated

  • @AEROStrik3
    @AEROStrik3 9 месяцев назад +1

    This was the most fanfic video you’ve made

  • @matthewkalasky2891
    @matthewkalasky2891 Год назад +1

    He did a lot of push-ups and sit ups, and he drank plenty of juice.

  • @matthewjones9237
    @matthewjones9237 Год назад +5

    Did you just hit us w/ an AD?
    You truly have fallen to the dark side. 😕

  • @tomcross3000
    @tomcross3000 Год назад +2

    i actually disagree with the "niman" claim. i think palpatine mastered most aggressive forms. ataru, djem so, juyo, makashi chiefly and probably niman too. and he fought every fight like he was fighting for his life, except ofcourse when he was throwing one.
    what else did he do? he turned his body into a weapon, practiced all martial acrobatics until he was unnaturally agile. so he was extra.
    on the twirling sabers, it says alot about his playful demeanor and how he loves his toys, it also is a useful tactic to keep his blades moving around his core target zone to react to any incoming swing. there's a cunning practicality to it.

  • @joeymassey9770
    @joeymassey9770 Год назад +13

    He didn’t beat Yoda in lightsaber combat. In the novel it says Yoda won the lightsaber duel he just lost when it came down to using the force. So no he lost against Windu and Yoda

    • @Jedilord882
      @Jedilord882 4 месяца назад

      It really shouldn’t surprise anyone this is the case.
      Windu has a form intricately designed to counter dark side practitioners, and Yoda has nine centuries of experience.

    • @Zippism
      @Zippism Месяц назад +1

      Palps got the high ground, abuses Yoda with it. When Yoda finally got to him(by makijg the same move Anakin did jumping UP to the pod Sheev is on), Palps blasted him off the pod and onto the senate floor.

  • @venkelos6996
    @venkelos6996 Год назад +4

    I think I can agree with this. On the one hand, certain sources would imply that the Forms are a product of the Jedi, and so Sith who were nor trained by them would lack them, but I feel if you know you are going to battle someone, and you want to win, you need to understand how they will fight you, and how they expect to win.
    My usual tripping point is practice; how did Palpatine HONE his skills? I've seen videos where content creators discuss Sith using training droids, or even dueling rain, if you will, so I know somewhat how even Banite Sith can get dome practice in, but I seem to recall Plagueis preventing Sidious from even having a lightsaber for a number of years into his training, and the Sith Lord, himself, was somewhat dismissive of the weapon. Once Palpatine was doing important, or at least visible, stuff, it just seems like he would have found it hard to get a chance. Several of his lightsabers were very well hidden, in wats that showed they weren't intended for typical use, and even his main one wasn't always on his person. He obviously had properties, and off-book sites under his alias, so I guess he could have had training facilities elsewhere, but since we never see them, or hear, and since Darth Sidious rarely had to come to blows with foes, it just always amazes me that he's still so talented. He's dismissive of lightsabers, and knows that the Force is often weapon enough, since he us willing ti weaponize it, and while we see him pwn Maul, and Oppress, and he later beats Windu, these are all much later. He didn't train with Plagueis much, nor could he tussle with even middling Jedi, for fear of revealing the Sith, so it seems it would be tricky to find places to test his training against something actually threatening. He could go to Sith sport worlds, or have his own facilities, I know, but these just didn't seem like things he spent much time on, and since so many other "gifted" people, in other media, practice daily, the fact that he didn't sort of makes it seem forced. My opinion, of course.

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 7 месяцев назад

      One slight correction there, sidious actually lost the fight with windu

  • @mkb4560
    @mkb4560 Год назад +1

    What would make a good series I think would be about Darth plagues and him training sidous

  • @MrRich2u
    @MrRich2u 8 месяцев назад +1

    Let's face it, The big Sid was a Mary Jane. He was a 60- to 70-year-old human who could go head-to-head with a 800-year-old Yoda. A species known for their immense force abilities and uber high Miti chlorine count. Yoda had the highest ever recorded by the Jedi...The Plot armor was powerful in The SId...

  • @benpreece333
    @benpreece333 Год назад +1

    Call for Papa Palpatine!
    Demolishes 4 jedi*

  • @treiwilson9445
    @treiwilson9445 Год назад +1

    I think Shi cho, makashi, djem so/ shien and Niman/ jarkai would be forms of choice.

  • @skarkshark152
    @skarkshark152 Год назад +1

    I fell asleep during this video and when that outro song came on i nearly shit my pants

  • @jamesedillor6053
    @jamesedillor6053 Год назад +1

    Hey #thestupendouswave I just realized something about the clone wars since you brought up mail and his brother that scene took place during order or just before the republic came in to mandalor to kick out the death watch group

  • @TheStellarmanCo.
    @TheStellarmanCo. Год назад +3

    Sidious lost in his duel with Sidious, Yoda actually disarmed him, they don't show that scene, then it was a Force battle which was a stalemate

    • @abenice
      @abenice Год назад

      Facts I was wondering if anyone was gonna mention that

  • @jakeh1199
    @jakeh1199 Год назад +1

    I personally think Sidious has actually mastered all 7 Forms of Lightsaber Combat, especially given Form 6 Niman does require knowledge/skill of Forms 1-5, so I do believe Sidious could use any Form. I do however agree with you Stupendous that Sidious does prefer Form 7 Juyo and Form 6 Niman as his main Lightsaber Forms. Since Form 6 Niman was the Jack of all Trades and Master of None, in combination with Form 7 Juyo randomised attacks and aggression that favours Dark Side users, Darth Sidious was effectively a monster duelist. Only Yoda and Mace Windu were his equals during Revenge Of The Sith.

  • @DynV
    @DynV Год назад +1

    It was mentioned that Sidious used lightsabers to insult rather than kill; I assume wearing down someone while showing one have the upper hand does just that.

  • @apollyonkatastrefia1586
    @apollyonkatastrefia1586 Год назад +3

    The ewoks obviously ate the captured stormtroopers.

  • @I-S-C
    @I-S-C Год назад +3

    actually yoda beat sidious in a lightsaber duel as u can see sidious lost his saber midway

  • @Jive.
    @Jive. Год назад +1

    Ah yes hello fresh, totally not dead stormtroopers 🍗

  • @marcthompson2027
    @marcthompson2027 Год назад +1

    I kind of disagree with this. If you go back to Darth Bane and when he was learning how to duel, Bane was taught not just master 1 style but many so he could switch sequences at any given point in the duel. Yes, he was made to master one style that best suited him, but was mad to learn and master the rest. He passed that knowledge down to his apprentice and so on and so forth. So I do believe Darth Sidious was a master of all 7 forms, Niman was the one that best suited him first.

  • @taranbaze1448
    @taranbaze1448 Год назад +1

    Around 7:00 you say form 7 isn't comprised of memorized sequences but it is, or there would be no light side equivalent.

  • @kalikiller1771
    @kalikiller1771 Год назад +1

    Here I was expecting him to say the ewoks ate stormtroopers

  • @treiwilson9445
    @treiwilson9445 Год назад +1

    If I couldn't do that. I would go with Niman/Jar'kai and shien

  • @marcusisgod2592
    @marcusisgod2592 Год назад +1

    Darth krayt or darth bane please.
    Cin drallig or luke skylwalker, you could do those to.

  • @hibs5516
    @hibs5516 Год назад +1

    The Ewoks ate the storm troopers after the destruction of the second death star. Han, Luke and Leia were there when t he at was happening.

  • @treiwilson9445
    @treiwilson9445 Год назад +1

    I would add makashi, soresu and shien to round out form 6 and 7.

  • @asleep-crate8644
    @asleep-crate8644 Год назад

    Wooooooo hell ya

  • @kermitthefrog9719
    @kermitthefrog9719 Год назад

    Do one of yoda

  • @zerosystem2393
    @zerosystem2393 Год назад +1

    Before watching the video I was like oh cool we get to hear about the hellish training sidiuous went through.
    After watching the video... it's Sidious is a prodigy. So essentially he's just good...😑. I guess that is an explanation,but it feels kind of hollow to me.

  • @trevleisner
    @trevleisner Год назад

    Yo did Stupendous say "Jedis" at 6:55?

  • @Boethius4748
    @Boethius4748 Год назад

    Hm. I always just assumed the Ewoks ate what was left of the Stormtroopers. Hello Not So Fresh.

  • @apank21
    @apank21 Год назад

    more analysis and evidence/support for sidious' chest hold on windu ? windu seems to b in control is another explanation ? or some die hards may think ? ~9:30

  • @chadarcher13
    @chadarcher13 Год назад +1

    Sidious didn't lose to Mace... he took a dive in order to turn Anakin... this has been confirmed

    • @Strafuzz
      @Strafuzz Год назад

      Not according to George Lucas

  • @dracoesk696
    @dracoesk696 Год назад +1

    Why didn't he use a sabre against Vader when he got yeeted in the death star?

  • @LOPGOH
    @LOPGOH Год назад

    Darth Sidious/Palpatine definitely mastered them all. He had to overview one through five to reach 6 and 7. He is an Elder next to Count Dooku. They are smart enough to sit back and let people kill each other. Tactics and use of diplomatically everything. 🤔 Yet when a duel happens...
    🤔Sidious literally made Sith a Politic power. Their galactic stock market is as screwed up as ours is. Creeping in during rise of Sky Walker. 9 + movies. 🤔 Then recruited slaves when their planets were balanced in the stock market region. The history is crazy. That's how they got Grievous on deck (His planet was enslaved and always at war. Join up with Sidious and be free...🤔and I get stock.). He hates Jedi. Collecting light sabers.
    Sidious is cunning on a geometric scale they have no way to measure. "Do it"! Then got Anakin on deck.
    ruclips.net/video/k4pbfT5pupc/видео.html
    Jedi are like .... 🤔What the heck just happened?!?!
    Sidious: 👉🧠👌💥 "Galactic"
    I don't think Grievous remembered he had stock options. Sidious knows that. Went Politician to the Pope....but Sithian.
    Jedi: 🤔💭 💩
    Kylo wipes out the Galactic senate for him (Sidious). On 5 planets at a time... basis. 🤔You think Kylo knows about the stock market?!?
    🤔Mean while, Sidious is sitting in a Bacta tank with a bunch of Chiss women. Practicing the Vulcan mind melt. He calls it chess. I seriously wonder if Sidious wrote his own Sith text parallel to Vader.
    🤔💭 Brings up the subject of being a Gray Jedi having to wear black because you're around Sith. Bouncing officers off the ceiling and floor.
    *Sith can't learn Jedi stuff & vice versa.*
    Pfffffffffft
    📖 😁🤣🤣🤣🤣 Right. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Try to hinder a Sith on the War path. 🪧 Schthian (War Lord).
    Add Jedi. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ☯ "Bring Balance ⚖ to the force." 🤔 Well, it's not car battery. So that's why Sidious said "unlimited power"⛮.
    And this doesn't work - - = + 🤔. Because Kylo doesn't give a 💩 about the stock market. So not worried about Algebra.
    Rey: " I grew up on Jakku dude". And later be determined to be a Skywalker rather than a Palpatine. 🤔Now I know where Sidious got the fleet at the end of Rise of Skywalker.
    🤔Jedi are still a Galactic Power. *Rey is a princess.* Because Sidious was an Emperor....making his surviving heir.....
    Rey got ....🤔Revived...Resurrected by a former Sith (Kylo). There isn't a single threat all the way to outer rim. Kylo killed most of them. If storm troopers, planet killers, or a zombie plague (BlackWing) didn't.
    🤔Storm Trooper(s) zombies.... Yes please. Just saying.... kind of nonpartial here.
    Phasma: " Why is your helmet off"?!
    FINN:🤔"Making sure there wasn't a face hugger on it".

    • @LOPGOH
      @LOPGOH Год назад

      Screenshot already

  • @jahaerystargaryen4527
    @jahaerystargaryen4527 Год назад

    PLEASE, can someone tell me the name of music playing in the backround

  • @peteschweddy4263
    @peteschweddy4263 Год назад

    Anybody notice how death sidious never was referred to as “shiev” palpatine until Disney took over? Always Darth sidious, chancellor palpatine, senator palpatine, emperor palpatine, or just palpatine?

    • @Kezzy-nm1fc
      @Kezzy-nm1fc 11 дней назад

      that's just his first name

  • @kiokiyuudoku4274
    @kiokiyuudoku4274 Год назад

    Sideous threw the fight. He literally broke the window to get rid of the murder weapon. If he is so powerful in the force, you think he didn’t know anikin was coming. Nothing hardly surprises sideous.

  • @dulio3240
    @dulio3240 Год назад +6

    He is the most powerful duellist in his own mind. The problem is he only got Maul and Plagueis to spar, that limits the scope to improve his swordsmanship. Even so, Maul went off to train with Droids since Palpatine got a tight schedule as a politician. Dooku was admitted to be the better swordsman than him . He also got no time to spilt between Chancellor and training Dooku. Vader on the other hand got his own training regime. Sure, the comics have sidious humilating vader in a single sparring bout but by his character, he would not entertain Vader for more sparring with him when he has a Empire to rule.
    He also has a massive distain for lightsaber combat. If a guy who has no interest in something, do you think he would train. He doesnt have the time to train. No time, no interest to train. You think his swordsmanship be that up there The reason he can easily cut down so many people is because his power in the force, his force speed is second to none . There a reason if he meet someone who can match his speed and power, the flaws in his bladework is exposed.
    You are right in his Niman and Juyo but he not a master. It just his speed is so high up there. He can make as many openings as he can due to his speed and the movie and novel differ in the Duel between Mace and Palpatine. They were stalemating until Mace pulls him to the window to lessen his intensity to launch disarming strike. Plagueis trained Sidious and impart him a distain for the blade.
    Palpatine got no motivation to train, got no interest to train. there a reason he look so frail and old. He does not train cause he all force amp

    • @dulio3240
      @dulio3240 Год назад

      Everyone used force amps. His force amps is way more powerful than the others considering he is like the ultimate sith. Palpatine mastered all 7 forms and other hidden forms.
      The problem is he had no motivation to further hone his skills. He is like a guy who got a bachelor degree and just stops studying while someone like Yoda and Mace continues honing their skills.
      I am not saying he not a master. I am saying he not number one

    • @thanghoang3198
      @thanghoang3198 Год назад

      @@dulio3240 As far as I see, Maul, Obi wan and Anakin have proved that they can function as warriors without using the Force.

    • @dulio3240
      @dulio3240 Год назад

      @@thanghoang3198 yes they can. Palpatine cannot. Remove his force amps, he cannot perform even the basic strikes

  • @knowone4080
    @knowone4080 Год назад

    Sidious lost to Windu on purpose to lure him in to turn against Windu.

  • @dach829
    @dach829 15 дней назад +1

    So drunken master style

    • @Kezzy-nm1fc
      @Kezzy-nm1fc 11 дней назад

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