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personally -give silentheart crazy slots but in the form of a worm that wraps around the user -crazy slots only summons two different weapons and one variation of one of the weapons, those being: 1 - a dagger that has m1s and crits that can counter mantras and cut through them, 1.5 - a chain that you can attach to the dagger in order to make it a ranged weapon n do a pull -a katana that does true damage -give silentheart dash tps -make the mani kati variation break anything that traps you -replace the last name of every silentheart to "Fushiguro" -everytime you grip someone you say "You lost to a monkey like me who cant even use the song..." -whenever you get the dagger from totally not cursed inventory, parrying will do a freaking cool cutscene that makes you teleport behind the enemy and fucking murder them but in expense you have to die to a white-haired teenager who shoots you with a purple ball
@@mysteriousbird7479Nah Toji would def be silentheart because u have more damage output from the talents and everything which is tojis upside of heavenly restriction
@@koenigseggpeta4360 Its ether regen based lol Do you not read the talent descriptions? But yeah maybe with black diver or some other master schem with 50% ether regen will let you to use overflowing with ardour's debuff for like 3 m1s they don't pair well so its a pretty poor argument to nerf SH dmg buff because of these two buffs that don't stack together.
I remember coming up with a version of Silentheart that used “corrupted” versions of physical mantras Instead of using Ether, they used dread stacks Using a mantra completely went through the dread stacks, but were *very* powerful in exchange Example: Strong Left with full dread would summon those ghosts next to you that would punch with you, creating a big shockwave that sent opponents flying on top of the regular punch Example2: Strong Leap would summon a ghost above you as leaped, which would throw you higher into the air. Landing on an enemy will apply knockdown and insta guard break Example3: Master’s Flourish will create 2 more sweeps after the original animation, the color of the second and third sweep match the tattoos. I’m sure there’s more ideas you could come up with, but you get the point Edit: grammar Edit2: You didn’t ask for this but here’s more stuff for this slop idea Silentheart rejects the concept using ether/the song, instead casting mantras using its own power from within. Punishment - A counter that absorbs almost all damage and ends with a horizontal swing, swing’s damage is based on how much damage the user absorbed during the counter, swing guardbreaks but has knockback Ceaseless Slashes - Creates a larger ring that turns the user invisible, during the windup to an attack the user is revealed but will turn invisible again once it ends. I imagine there could be a version with a spark that just makes it so that ghosts appear and attack anyone in the ring. Rapid Punches - Turned into a quick punching combo that ends with the user sweeping the legs, ragdolling the opponent and inflicting a slowness debuff As one commenter said, do not let me cook, I am not a game dev for a good reason
Pretty cool concept but i'd give that to another strength based or willpower based oath, since it defies the whole point of silentheart, which is no mantras AT ALL (devs failed at their own concept)
Strong leap one op as hell Block breaking knockdown mobility mantra roll catcher?? That better have some HUGE ass endlag EDIT: also if it’s feintable then it’ll be the flame leap meta all over again
Silentheart is so called because in the ent part of the game it is said that all magic comes from the heart and is a song, so it is called the silent heart because there is no song coming from its heart
im glad you didn't actually suggest a malevolent shrine for silentheart, I half expected this to just be a "make silentheart just like sukuna frfr" video but this is actually really good
that intro was cool. very interesting takes in this video. feels like a lot of the issues it previously had would just return though, even without the innate damage multiplier
Here's a rework idea I had: Silentheart Rework ideas, not final Remove Silentheart as an oath and instead, make it a sort of "starting attunement/origin" Upon picking it, you will start the game with no ether nor tempo bar, instead being given a Dread Gauge (replace ether) and a Rampage bar (replace tempo). Silentheart will get a set of mantra equivalent depending on their attributes. Meaning that they won't be using classical physical mantra. Most of them will be revolving around sharp and strong attacks. And also, they won't be called mantra. Silenthearth will also not have a resonance, instead receiving a gift from the dreadstar in late game. The Dread Gauge will be a red segmented bar, starting with 10 segments. The number of segments is affected by willpower/intelligence/charisma. Having 10 segment of the dread Gauge, you will be able to press G to fill your Rampage bar. The Rampage bar is technically a single segment and cannot be heightened, and will be the main gimmicks of silentheart. It can be used as a sort of vent by pressing G when full, making you flashstep, becoming invisible for a few seconds while "teleporting" you in a certain radius around where you were to escape a combo (but can also be used to try to start one). That way we can also replace the red vent thingy that is just lame tbh. The Rampage bar will also be used in other ways... Using a Prowess (silentheart mantra), a part of your Dread gauge will be consumed depending of the move. But your Prowess can also be empowered by using the Rampage bar (effects are to be determined by devs) by perfect casting it while having the rampage bar full. (Silentheart prowess won't have the classic perfect cast mechanic, it will only be used in this case.) The resonance progress that other player gain will be converted into something else, that the dreadstar will use to grant you with an equivalent of a resonance for silentheart, as they reject the song.
fun fact : mani katti proccs shared misery and you can stack it with nlk, idk why it counts as an m1 so you can basically kill everyone in the depths with 1 mani katti
you forgot to mention traits, since silenthearts dont need erudition or songchant they can just put 6 into proficiency which just gives them 30% more weapon scaling for no drawback whatsoever
One other way of fixing sh dmg is by removing its ether anf replacing it with a dread stack bar, and overflowing only procs on max dreadstacks, combingin it with dread stacks being used as a resource it forces sh to either play with a dmg boost but no moves or with moves but less dmg
ngl with the enchants on mani katti n such it would be fine you would just have to make enchants that work with stacks like deto only proc 1 stack on those enchants which would end up making it fair with this rework imo
4:20 bro does NOT know anything about deepwoken nor maths, ardour removes all ur ether so overflowing dam ain't doing dat much... ALL 3 talents: Overflowing dam, LYM and ardour scream are 15%, so its 45% first off 25% + 15% + 10% ITS NOT 58% 💀 its 50%, idk where that 8% came from, if ur counting dreadstacks, yeah, then its 58% cuz if you surpass the 50% soft damage cap, its all halved until the 75% damage cap. and also, its 55%, not 58%, also its 3% a big difference? N- Yes, in deepwoken?? IT IS 💀and its not even possible bcz Ardour scream and overflowing chlashing on to each other... Atleast you get 80% mantra resistance: 10% SH oath passive, 15% dreadstacks, 20% RTTDA, 35% ignition deepdelver, they have a 100% PEN build??? TOO BAD, DAMAGE REDUCTION IGNORES PEN, PEN ITS FOR ARMOR, its just too ez
My idea for Silenthearts and reworks is more like the following the veins are hidden Silenthearts instead of having a ether bar get a red bar that i would refer to as Hatred or Rage when a silentheart parries mantras it increases and can be manually activated which causes the initial veins to become visible indicating that youre using it Hatred or Rage will increase your raw strength and grant you one new ability to use which should be like a quick beatdown skill using a few kicks and slices/punches to deal massive damage but in return entirely depleting the bar and depending on how full it was will either deal normal dmg or a lot of dmg Silenthearts actually get a talent that allows them to use different kinds of equipment and have an infinite amount of them with an cd like bombs, Hunters brace but not potions Silenthearts casual insane damage boost is actually not active until Hatred or Rage is activated instead in base will have much more resistance to mantras which will dissapear during Hatred Rage which makes Playing silentheart more consistent so you have numerous playstyles you can pick Silenthearts vent is instead replaced with a short distance teleport with endlag that does work during stun making it much harder to vent predict them Silenthearts are incapable of using certain enchants due to them inducing the song Ankle cutter should temporarily disable jumping and silentheart crits would have a slightly increased cd in base and a slightly decreased cd in Hatred or rage
4:25 Multipliers are not multiplicative, they're additive. So it would be 1.25+1.15+1.1 = 1.5 damage multiplier. Another thing, ardour scream and overflowing dam RARELY proc together, since ardour scream takes away ALL of your ether, and you need to have 100% ether for overflowing dam.
My friends were talking to me about silentheart once and we had completely reworked the oath, which basically came down to becoming something of attunement-less demon. Basically take away all of the current moves and instead have silentheart modify existing attunement-less mantras. For example: Strong Left now is a two part mantra, first punch and then TP behind your opponent, punch them into the ground and apply knockdown. Rapid Slashes is now a huge aoe move that creates a ball of slashes instead of being a tp move, just like how you suggested they change Mani Kati. A new mantra that we came up with was a grab mantra that would slam down the opponent and pull ether out of their body, that ether then turning that grab into a random mantra out of their kit, also no longer allowing them to use it, and if it was elemental your abilities would assume that elemental effect for the next, lets say 10 seconds. Another Talent that I had thought of was basically a bell counter, since they also use the song right? I called it Out of Tune, when you hit an opponent with your silentheart induced mantras, knock the rhythm of their resonance off track. Basically, for the next 30 seconds after landing a move the persons bell is janky as hell, for example, smite would randomly zigzag around the user and has a chance of hitting them instead, or sacred field would ALWAYS be JUUUUUST out of reach so you can't reap it's benefits.
@@B0x_T00l okay fair point, so what if you remove anything elemental so you could say it's just your pure raw physical strength and speed? It's not unimaginable right? Especially when you think about how people like Toji and Maki would basically do the same thing under the same circumstances, also the fact that existing silentheart moves teleport your and send out waves of what I assume is air pressure. Could also turn ether into stamina or make each pseudo mantra take dread stacks.
Give silent heart a bar like gale that fills with mantra parries and damage done to you by mantras at full press x and u get a domain area around you where your m1s apply cleave (rip of metal armament) after 1 sec after a m1 lands another slice happens on them
I had an idea for a silentheart talent, that being something I call, silencers aura Basically when your health drops below 30% you generate an aura that persists untill you are downed or you heal above 30% The aura would be rather large about half the size of a chimes arena, and work just like tranquil circle, no mantras may be casted within it and any projectile mantra shot into it from outside the aura is instantly destroyed, anybody who attempts to cast a mantra in the aura will have 5% of their hp sapped and returned to the silentheart user I feel as though this would be cool because it kinda puts them on an even playing field (they both have no mantras, the silentheart is low but has the cool abilities and passives still) and would really fix the whole, “silentheart is bad at silencing” problem
i remember someone talking about making a sub-path to silient heart where u can still select an element and get its talents but u cant use mantras and u lose some stuff like less damage on dread stacks
I mean, people already been doing it via bugs so i really dont see problem with that Maybe also another path where you're allowed to use attunementless mantras at cost of dread stacks
Maybe give silentheart mantra steal when you inflict the debuff on someone, allowing you to use their song against them. Possibly allow two or maybe three mantras to be stolen if you hit the debuff enough and after twenty or so seconds it gives the opponent that mantra back. Maybe give the mantra a minor damage boost and automatically has bloodless to fit with the edgy theme.
Imagine if they added Gate as a move silentheart can use, like it would be a tool that would copy the last mantra that you parried from your opponent and let's you cast it once. Like a one time use mantra, that you can only use if you parried said mantra first.
I would make very little sense for a silentheart to be able to use mantras at all, since they specifically hate the song and have renounced usage of it.
as a couple others in the comments section have stated, ardour scream can't stack with overflowing dam as it autoclears when your ether bar fills up a certain % just run regular ardour instead
as a silentheart main myself, the concept you said about dread fighter is not bad at all, but the downside would be that mage builds could have even more chance, due to the mantra resistance and dmg stack + mani katti and ankle cutter could be parried easily (i didn't watch the full video so might comment again when i SEE the whole video)
3:39, bro why tf would we want LIGHT TO BE ADDED TO SILENTHEART, anyways, it's fucking stupid that removed the silencing shit, I personally thought it added more diverse gameplay bc the mage couldn't spam their mantras and they'd need to LEARN TO FIENT so they can land them
this is probably unpopular, but i would actually like a "rock paper sccissors" meta. people can just log in chime if they dont want to fight a silentheart and id like to ssee less mage builds.
I agreed a little up until mani katti requiring max dread stacks... maybe if you made it better because mani katti can't do shit against good players 😭
look man here is what i think silent heart should do. Keep everything but for the 25% grip speed shit change it into so that when you parry a mantra, you keep it for yourself, and when you block you cast that mantra with the dammage and effects it wouldve done to you, it cost a few dread stacks and stuff, parrying another mantra than the previous will replace it.
the mani katti change is so trash, main purpose of it was (for me atleast) CHASING runners. and you basically destroy that. ty ty. vengeful pursuit has a very stupid range so its trash for purposes of catching trackstars, also silentheart still is very vulnerable . my build has 530 hp with 35 mantra res from armor and equip + dreadstacks and a guy did almost a bar with ONE hit of ice daggers + crystals. silentheart is the most dog oath from rn. and it needs BUFFS not nerfs and changes.
Just a thought for the merciless blade rework, I think if you maybe reduce the cost of manni katti to like half of your dread stacks, and then with higher dread stacks the chances to proc enchants increase capping at like 50%
If you have it to where using the moves use dread stacks why remove the damage multiplyer it would balance out using mati-kati would remove the damage multiplyer
Ardour scream take all the ether which inactivate overflowing. Even u can get ether back from m1/parry (that one talent), overflowing damage only work if ur ether stay full more than 3sec Silent heart already lack of mix up and u want to restrict its ability by adding dread stack requirement for manti or ankle cutter which make no sense to me since cd is a thing.
Silentheart should have a unique ability to summon the Dreadstar when a mantra user is knocked and within 200 meters which shoots a giant projectile that sends anyone knocked and caught in it straight to depths and unable to cast mantras for 20 minutes
can you make a video explaining how to use the deep assets, im an animator but i cant for the life of me figure out how to actually make a model with the assets
I’m a firm believer in removing all song from silent heart users, so no bell or murmur, instead they are replaced with a unique substitute. Murmur could be replaced with something similar to tacet, however for a short period of time (5-10 seconds) you make zero noise (SILENT heart) and a bell substitute could be a long cooldown ultimate type ability that temporarily removes song from a single opponent (10 seconds) or in an area (3-5 seconds)
@@aepsis6582 I think he means that mantras and attunements themselves are the issue and that silentheart would be balanced if mantras and attunments were properly balanced.
they should turn mani katti into a tool like they did with ardour scream. not a mantra but a tool just so that you dont have to reach across your keyboard and crouch down just to use your move
The problem with silentheart is nothing w silentheart Its the weapons and builds Guns by themselves do about a bar every fuckin hit But either way i like this idea of the rework + and aoe mani kati would be sick and to get it u go to the shadow trainer at songseekers church
That still has the same problem as rn. The opponent can just hold S or range you with mantras and you have no way to silence them. Even when you do, they'll just run and continue when they're not silenced anymore. Silence on parry is much more consistent and can be applied from any distance. Parries extending it doesn't make sense, cuz like I said, they'll just run away and not engage. Instead, silence duration should scale off Dread Stacks and consume one each time it procs so it's not too annoying. This way you still silence on parry, but you need AND use a Dread Stack to do so.
the problem with silent hearts old silence is that if you play the game regularly you just make the other person not be able to do a key thing in todays meta using mantras any monkey with a keyboard can parry
Imma be honest, the silent heart abilities should be like mantras so you can modify them, idaf about the lore and allat, imagine bloodless manni Katti, crazy.
I think that they should have a different stack for silencing they could call it silence stacks that u get from parrying mantras like you said and after x amount of parries they get silences for y amount of seconds
you had me until you said to bring back the silence on mantra parry ngl. the big problem with it is that you essentially got turned into a silentheart without any of the buffs, just for fighting against a silentheart edit: nvm i watched the rest of the video. dont ever allow this guy on the balancing team
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-give silentheart crazy slots but in the form of a worm that wraps around the user
-crazy slots only summons two different weapons and one variation of one of the weapons, those being:
1 - a dagger that has m1s and crits that can counter mantras and cut through them,
1.5 - a chain that you can attach to the dagger in order to make it a ranged weapon n do a pull
-a katana that does true damage
-give silentheart dash tps
-make the mani kati variation break anything that traps you
-replace the last name of every silentheart to "Fushiguro"
-everytime you grip someone you say "You lost to a monkey like me who cant even use the song..."
-whenever you get the dagger from totally not cursed inventory, parrying will do a freaking cool cutscene that makes you teleport behind the enemy and fucking murder them but in expense you have to die to a white-haired teenager who shoots you with a purple ball
@@mysteriousbird7479Nah Toji would def be silentheart because u have more damage output from the talents and everything which is tojis upside of heavenly restriction
Bro Just Want Toji in game😂@@aloetic
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fun fact: ardour scream runs out when you get over 80% ether so you cant stack it with overflowing dam
is it time based or ether based? because if your ether regens fast enough it probably could (if its not ether based that is)
@@koenigseggpeta4360 Its ether regen based lol Do you not read the talent descriptions? But yeah maybe with black diver or some other master schem with 50% ether regen will let you to use overflowing with ardour's debuff for like 3 m1s they don't pair well so its a pretty poor argument to nerf SH dmg buff because of these two buffs that don't stack together.
@@madhistory421 i haven't used ardour scream once in all my time playing deepwoken
@@koenigseggpeta4360probably should, most builds can get it by default, it’s just better to have
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Thanks man! Your videos are great aswell
I remember coming up with a version of Silentheart that used “corrupted” versions of physical mantras
Instead of using Ether, they used dread stacks
Using a mantra completely went through the dread stacks, but were *very* powerful in exchange
Example: Strong Left with full dread would summon those ghosts next to you that would punch with you, creating a big shockwave that sent opponents flying on top of the regular punch
Example2: Strong Leap would summon a ghost above you as leaped, which would throw you higher into the air. Landing on an enemy will apply knockdown and insta guard break
Example3: Master’s Flourish will create 2 more sweeps after the original animation, the color of the second and third sweep match the tattoos.
I’m sure there’s more ideas you could come up with, but you get the point
Edit: grammar
Edit2: You didn’t ask for this but here’s more stuff for this slop idea
Silentheart rejects the concept using ether/the song, instead casting mantras using its own power from within.
Punishment - A counter that absorbs almost all damage and ends with a horizontal swing, swing’s damage is based on how much damage the user absorbed during the counter, swing guardbreaks but has knockback
Ceaseless Slashes - Creates a larger ring that turns the user invisible, during the windup to an attack the user is revealed but will turn invisible again once it ends. I imagine there could be a version with a spark that just makes it so that ghosts appear and attack anyone in the ring.
Rapid Punches - Turned into a quick punching combo that ends with the user sweeping the legs, ragdolling the opponent and inflicting a slowness debuff
As one commenter said, do not let me cook, I am not a game dev for a good reason
That's sounds like a cool concept
Pretty cool concept but i'd give that to another strength based or willpower based oath, since it defies the whole point of silentheart, which is no mantras AT ALL (devs failed at their own concept)
Strong leap one op as hell
Block breaking knockdown mobility mantra roll catcher?? That better have some HUGE ass endlag
EDIT: also if it’s feintable then it’ll be the flame leap meta all over again
instead of costing dreadstacks, i think it should cost STAMINA with your ether bar turning into stamina when getting silentheart
@@thecomet653endlag just isnt the way to fix moves
Silentheart is so called because in the ent part of the game it is said that all magic comes from the heart and is a song, so it is called the silent heart because there is no song coming from its heart
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im glad you didn't actually suggest a malevolent shrine for silentheart, I half expected this to just be a "make silentheart just like sukuna frfr" video but this is actually really good
that intro was cool. very interesting takes in this video. feels like a lot of the issues it previously had would just return though, even without the innate damage multiplier
Here's a rework idea I had:
Silentheart Rework ideas, not final
Remove Silentheart as an oath and instead, make it a sort of "starting attunement/origin"
Upon picking it, you will start the game with no ether nor tempo bar, instead being given a Dread Gauge (replace ether) and a Rampage bar (replace tempo).
Silentheart will get a set of mantra equivalent depending on their attributes. Meaning that they won't be using classical physical mantra. Most of them will be revolving around sharp and strong attacks. And also, they won't be called mantra.
Silenthearth will also not have a resonance, instead receiving a gift from the dreadstar in late game.
The Dread Gauge will be a red segmented bar, starting with 10 segments. The number of segments is affected by willpower/intelligence/charisma. Having 10 segment of the dread Gauge, you will be able to press G to fill your Rampage bar.
The Rampage bar is technically a single segment and cannot be heightened, and will be the main gimmicks of silentheart. It can be used as a sort of vent by pressing G when full, making you flashstep, becoming invisible for a few seconds while "teleporting" you in a certain radius around where you were to escape a combo (but can also be used to try to start one). That way we can also replace the red vent thingy that is just lame tbh.
The Rampage bar will also be used in other ways...
Using a Prowess (silentheart mantra), a part of your Dread gauge will be consumed depending of the move. But your Prowess can also be empowered by using the Rampage bar (effects are to be determined by devs) by perfect casting it while having the rampage bar full. (Silentheart prowess won't have the classic perfect cast mechanic, it will only be used in this case.)
The resonance progress that other player gain will be converted into something else, that the dreadstar will use to grant you with an equivalent of a resonance for silentheart, as they reject the song.
Silenthearts still use bell and mumur and ether and such, Silenthearts specifically reject the WORDS of the song, aka mantras.
@@B0x_T00l i see, thanks for the info
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@@B0x_T00l song is also bell and murmur smart one
@@ghoulish_hater Bells and murmurs aren't WORDS of the song smart one
fun fact : mani katti proccs shared misery and you can stack it with nlk, idk why it counts as an m1 so you can basically kill everyone in the depths with 1 mani katti
If i have a silent heart with nlk on depths, idk but i wouldnt die too?
@@danielzaragoza3036 depends on ur willpower
this man predicted it all
you forgot to mention traits, since silenthearts dont need erudition or songchant they can just put 6 into proficiency which just gives them 30% more weapon scaling for no drawback whatsoever
You still need Eru for Vents, lol
Also, Prof is the worst trait, so it doesn't matter much
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"I'm not saying it needs nerfs" a couple of minutes later:
"REMOVE THE MULTIPLIER"
One other way of fixing sh dmg is by removing its ether anf replacing it with a dread stack bar, and overflowing only procs on max dreadstacks, combingin it with dread stacks being used as a resource it forces sh to either play with a dmg boost but no moves or with moves but less dmg
ngl with the enchants on mani katti n such it would be fine you would just have to make enchants that work with stacks like deto only proc 1 stack on those enchants which would end up making it fair with this rework imo
4:20
bro does NOT know anything about deepwoken nor maths, ardour removes all ur ether so overflowing dam ain't doing dat much...
ALL 3 talents: Overflowing dam, LYM and ardour scream are 15%, so its 45%
first off 25% + 15% + 10% ITS NOT 58% 💀 its 50%, idk where that 8% came from, if ur counting dreadstacks, yeah, then its 58% cuz
if you surpass the 50% soft damage cap, its all halved until the 75% damage cap.
and also, its 55%, not 58%, also its 3% a big difference? N- Yes, in deepwoken?? IT IS 💀and its not even possible bcz Ardour scream and overflowing chlashing on to each other...
Atleast you get 80% mantra resistance: 10% SH oath passive, 15% dreadstacks, 20% RTTDA, 35% ignition deepdelver, they have a 100% PEN build???
TOO BAD, DAMAGE REDUCTION IGNORES PEN, PEN ITS FOR ARMOR, its just too ez
Although the comment its a bit rude, ur right 💀how did bro calculate 25+15+10 = 58?!?!?!
current silentheart all the way til my bones Decay
My idea for Silenthearts and reworks is more like the following
the veins are hidden
Silenthearts instead of having a ether bar get a red bar that i would refer to as Hatred or Rage when a silentheart parries mantras it increases and can be manually activated which causes the initial veins to become visible indicating that youre using it
Hatred or Rage will increase your raw strength and grant you one new ability to use which should be like a quick beatdown skill using a few kicks and slices/punches to deal massive damage but in return entirely depleting the bar and depending on how full it was will either deal normal dmg or a lot of dmg
Silenthearts actually get a talent that allows them to use different kinds of equipment and have an infinite amount of them with an cd like bombs, Hunters brace but not potions
Silenthearts casual insane damage boost is actually not active until Hatred or Rage is activated instead in base will have much more resistance to mantras which will dissapear during Hatred Rage which makes Playing silentheart more consistent so you have numerous playstyles you can pick
Silenthearts vent is instead replaced with a short distance teleport with endlag that does work during stun making it much harder to vent predict them
Silenthearts are incapable of using certain enchants due to them inducing the song
Ankle cutter should temporarily disable jumping and silentheart crits would have a slightly increased cd in base and a slightly decreased cd in Hatred or rage
4:25
Multipliers are not multiplicative, they're additive. So it would be 1.25+1.15+1.1 = 1.5 damage multiplier. Another thing, ardour scream and overflowing dam RARELY proc together, since ardour scream takes away ALL of your ether, and you need to have 100% ether for overflowing dam.
My friends were talking to me about silentheart once and we had completely reworked the oath, which basically came down to becoming something of attunement-less demon. Basically take
away all of the current moves and instead have silentheart modify existing attunement-less mantras.
For example:
Strong Left now is a two part mantra, first punch and then TP behind your opponent, punch them into the ground and apply knockdown.
Rapid Slashes is now a huge aoe move that creates a ball of slashes instead of being a tp move, just like how you suggested they change Mani Kati.
A new mantra that we came up with was a grab mantra that would slam down the opponent and pull ether out of their body, that ether then turning that grab into a random mantra out of their kit, also no longer allowing them to use it, and if it was elemental your abilities would assume that elemental effect for the next, lets say 10 seconds.
Another Talent that I had thought of was basically a bell counter, since they also use the song right? I called it Out of Tune, when you hit an opponent with your silentheart induced mantras, knock the rhythm of their resonance off track. Basically, for the next 30 seconds after landing a move the persons bell is janky as hell, for example, smite would randomly zigzag around the user and has a chance of hitting them instead, or sacred field would ALWAYS be JUUUUUST out of reach so you can't reap it's benefits.
Silenthearts don't use mantras of any kind as they reject the words of the song.
@@B0x_T00l when I said rework the oath I meant everything, lore behind it and all to make this work.
@@dadaede With this rework it wouldn't even be SILENTheart anymore, the silent part is from how they don't use mantras at all.
@@B0x_T00l okay fair point, so what if you remove anything elemental so you could say it's just your pure raw physical strength and speed? It's not unimaginable right? Especially when you think about how people like Toji and Maki would basically do the same thing under the same circumstances, also the fact that existing silentheart moves teleport your and send out waves of what I assume is air pressure. Could also turn ether into stamina or make each pseudo mantra take dread stacks.
@@B0x_T00l btw, don't murmurs also go against this? Or are murmur and song 2 different things, also what about bells?
Give silent heart a bar like gale that fills with mantra parries and damage done to you by mantras at full press x and u get a domain area around you where your m1s apply cleave (rip of metal armament) after 1 sec after a m1 lands another slice happens on them
Who let him cook 😭😭😭😭
I had an idea for a silentheart talent, that being something I call, silencers aura
Basically when your health drops below 30% you generate an aura that persists untill you are downed or you heal above 30%
The aura would be rather large about half the size of a chimes arena, and work just like tranquil circle, no mantras may be casted within it and any projectile mantra shot into it from outside the aura is instantly destroyed, anybody who attempts to cast a mantra in the aura will have 5% of their hp sapped and returned to the silentheart user I feel as though this would be cool because it kinda puts them on an even playing field (they both have no mantras, the silentheart is low but has the cool abilities and passives still) and would really fix the whole, “silentheart is bad at silencing” problem
That's too op if you think about it dawg
i remember someone talking about making a sub-path to silient heart where u can still select an element and get its talents but u cant use mantras and u lose some stuff like less damage on dread stacks
I mean, people already been doing it via bugs so i really dont see problem with that
Maybe also another path where you're allowed to use attunementless mantras at cost of dread stacks
dont let bro cook again
My ankles after finding out I can’t stop the op’s mantra :(
bro multiplied the additive damage multipliers
Maybe give silentheart mantra steal when you inflict the debuff on someone, allowing you to use their song against them. Possibly allow two or maybe three mantras to be stolen if you hit the debuff enough and after twenty or so seconds it gives the opponent that mantra back. Maybe give the mantra a minor damage boost and automatically has bloodless to fit with the edgy theme.
I mean, silentheart does require skill though it's some specific weapons that make it braindead.
its called silent heart because mantras come from the song or smt and u cant use mantras so ur heart is silent
I'm pretty sure Silentheart means silencing your own heart off from the song.
BETTER YET REMOVE FIGHTING- this would help balance out all oaths. am I wrong?
Dread stacks are already devious enough to get like one mantra hit and no mani kati
during the gearup ad a song played...
Dating Start! (undertale OST)
Imagine if they added Gate as a move silentheart can use, like it would be a tool that would copy the last mantra that you parried from your opponent and let's you cast it once.
Like a one time use mantra, that you can only use if you parried said mantra first.
Yuta 💀
I would make very little sense for a silentheart to be able to use mantras at all, since they specifically hate the song and have renounced usage of it.
@@123GoBritsNah like, since silentheart tattoo looks like Sukuna's tattoo, I was like, man that would be a very cool mechanic
That makes no sense
bro your yapping@@Malou4000
gear up is a scam, it doesn't work
is this true?
Who are here on the Friday update where silenthearth actually got a rework💀
me
Without the dmg boost it's just literally deepwoken hard mode
Silentheart is balanced tbh like what are you suppose to do against a mage build with 600 hp and all ranged mantras 🙈
W intro but bro Burned the Kitchen with this one 🗣
as a couple others in the comments section have stated, ardour scream can't stack with overflowing dam as it autoclears when your ether bar fills up a certain %
just run regular ardour instead
as a silentheart main myself, the concept you said about dread fighter is not bad at all, but the downside would be that mage builds could have even more chance, due to the mantra resistance and dmg stack + mani katti and ankle cutter could be parried easily (i didn't watch the full video so might comment again when i SEE the whole video)
3:39, bro why tf would we want LIGHT TO BE ADDED TO SILENTHEART, anyways, it's fucking stupid that removed the silencing shit, I personally thought it added more diverse gameplay bc the mage couldn't spam their mantras and they'd need to LEARN TO FIENT so they can land them
7:34 devs can make it same as luminous flash so its not gonna proc everytime and just once
Unpopular opinion:
Silentheart is perfectly fine.
NOGO PRIMADON IS REAL!!!!!!
this is probably unpopular, but i would actually like a "rock paper sccissors" meta. people can just log in chime if they dont want to fight a silentheart and id like to ssee less mage builds.
7:30 mfw manikati procs 1000 edenkite bubbles 🗿
I agreed a little up until mani katti requiring max dread stacks... maybe if you made it better because mani katti can't do shit against good players 😭
Just from the first animation this video is already so good DAAAMN
if everything is broken nothing is broken
Shadow and thunder are mid rn compared to other attunements
Amazing video as usual
look man here is what i think silent heart should do.
Keep everything but for the 25% grip speed shit change it into so that when you parry a mantra, you keep it for yourself, and when you block you cast that mantra with the dammage and effects it wouldve done to you, it cost a few dread stacks and stuff, parrying another mantra than the previous will replace it.
the mani katti change is so trash, main purpose of it was (for me atleast) CHASING runners. and you basically destroy that. ty ty. vengeful pursuit has a very stupid range so its trash for purposes of catching trackstars, also silentheart still is very vulnerable . my build has 530 hp with 35 mantra res from armor and equip + dreadstacks and a guy did almost a bar with ONE hit of ice daggers + crystals. silentheart is the most dog oath from rn. and it needs BUFFS not nerfs and changes.
“Remove cool-down for moves”
Aw hell nah I don’t want that damn ankle cutter gran suda shit back again
Just a thought for the merciless blade rework, I think if you maybe reduce the cost of manni katti to like half of your dread stacks, and then with higher dread stacks the chances to proc enchants increase capping at like 50%
If you have it to where using the moves use dread stacks why remove the damage multiplyer it would balance out using mati-kati would remove the damage multiplyer
intros are always crazyyy
I use the grip speed in ganks + audacity....
Ardour scream take all the ether which inactivate overflowing.
Even u can get ether back from m1/parry (that one talent), overflowing damage only work if ur ether stay full more than 3sec
Silent heart already lack of mix up and u want to restrict its ability by adding dread stack requirement for manti or ankle cutter which make no sense to me since cd is a thing.
Silentheart should have a unique ability to summon the Dreadstar when a mantra user is knocked and within 200 meters
which shoots a giant projectile that sends anyone knocked and caught in it
straight to depths and unable to cast mantras for 20 minutes
Bro just explained a Vergil moveset… at least, that’s what I got with the Mani Katti group fight change turning it into a Judgement cut
can you make a video explaining how to use the deep assets, im an animator but i cant for the life of me figure out how to actually make a model with the assets
I’m a firm believer in removing all song from silent heart users, so no bell or murmur, instead they are replaced with a unique substitute. Murmur could be replaced with something similar to tacet, however for a short period of time (5-10 seconds) you make zero noise (SILENT heart) and a bell substitute could be a long cooldown ultimate type ability that temporarily removes song from a single opponent (10 seconds) or in an area (3-5 seconds)
yo wtf did you actually use to make that intro, shit was gasapuhlicious
bro i done never heard that word
i like how there is literally a fuga mantra and he still uses grand javelin
Azroh is gonna speedrun to be the biggest deepwoken youtuber
Silentheart should get their own version off bells, kinda like how soul reapers have bankai and arrancars have ressurection.
Bells in general need a rework ngl
what kind of comparison is that dawg
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa0 wdym
bro what
@@FanMan_jpg Im saying thats a shitty example
no need to nerf silentheart if mantras can do half hp even with silentheart
ur delusional if u think this
@@aepsis6582 I think he means that mantras and attunements themselves are the issue and that silentheart would be balanced if mantras and attunments were properly balanced.
they should turn mani katti into a tool like they did with ardour scream. not a mantra but a tool just so that you dont have to reach across your keyboard and crouch down just to use your move
Tf you mean using mani katti is extremely easy dont change it horrible idea just stfu
yo the intro is fire keep it up
The problem with silentheart is nothing w silentheart
Its the weapons and builds
Guns by themselves do about a bar every fuckin hit
But either way i like this idea of the rework + and aoe mani kati would be sick and to get it u go to the shadow trainer at songseekers church
You always cook the greatest stuff with these oath reworks.
he doesn’t fym
i use flarebloods with silent heart and you can crit then mani katti for some massive ah dmg
That silentheart in the intro broke his oath he’s cooked
I think instead of silence on parry it should be m1s and parries extend silence duration by like 1-2 seconds
That still has the same problem as rn. The opponent can just hold S or range you with mantras and you have no way to silence them. Even when you do, they'll just run and continue when they're not silenced anymore. Silence on parry is much more consistent and can be applied from any distance.
Parries extending it doesn't make sense, cuz like I said, they'll just run away and not engage. Instead, silence duration should scale off Dread Stacks and consume one each time it procs so it's not too annoying. This way you still silence on parry, but you need AND use a Dread Stack to do so.
add a aerial attack version of ankle cutter that does more damage with a more precise hitbox
the first half I was like "nah who let this guy cook" but you sold me at the end
Why does GearUp sponsor every new Deepwoken Video...
thank you for using the cardmaker for this video
4:19 Damage multipliers are additive not multiplicative
Bro just does not want silent heart to be viable.
Have u seen Crit Flarebloods with silent heart bro my most fav ngl
4:56 on this part u should put the loud incorrect buzzer lie meme
Bro just hates silent heart💀
the problem with silent hearts old silence is that if you play the game regularly you just make the other person not be able to do a key thing in todays meta using mantras any monkey with a keyboard can parry
the voice acting earned a like
problem with dread stack based gameplay is a lot of players avoid a parry trade like their life depends on it
I like the sound of "Mani Karate" would def be better would ganking and overall rounding silentheart
only reason i use silentheart is for that sweet sweet %15 dmg i use it for pve btw
mmmmmaybe think of something else than gutting the entire oath, theres stuff out there that arguably need to be rebalanced more quickly
Bro forgot this was just a deepwoken video, this quality is too good for a deep vid
Imma be honest, the silent heart abilities should be like mantras so you can modify them, idaf about the lore and allat, imagine bloodless manni Katti, crazy.
I think that they should have a different stack for silencing they could call it silence stacks that u get from parrying mantras like you said and after x amount of parries they get silences for y amount of seconds
Nah someone gotta tell me why agamatsu silentheart in the intro has BLINDSEER MASK
you had me until you said to bring back the silence on mantra parry ngl. the big problem with it is that you essentially got turned into a silentheart without any of the buffs, just for fighting against a silentheart
edit: nvm i watched the rest of the video. dont ever allow this guy on the balancing team
Spoken like a true mage
Bro BURNT the enitre BUILDING with this one