Ep.7 Win Condition: What should you do against each matchup?
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Steven - I'm a tennis coach and I must say this series is groundbreaking and has opened my eyes on how to think about strategy. Just fantastic insights! Great work!
Now I've been watching pro tennis with an eye for these 3 play styles and it truly is informative. I wouldn't be surprised if these concepts make their way to become standard coaching ideas in the future. Like Dmitrov v Humbert is Dive v Dive. Paul v Giron Brawl v Brawl. Mannarino v Giron Poke v Brawl. Jordan Thompson v Ben Shelton Poke v Dive. Fascinating.
It seems to me that Poke is the most accessible playstyle for most players. And potentially the one that is the most successful in the long run, so long as one can also counterpunch. I think counterpunching is its own category - can be an adder to any playstyle. That's how boxing categorizes it anyways. Boxing has a similar breakdown - Swarmer, Brawler, and Out-boxer - Dive, Brawl, Poke. Then counterpuncher is its own sub-category.
Did you come up with this framework on your own? How did you uncover these concepts? Just playing Overwatch 2? haha
Thanks for your analysis. Ep. 9 will discuss secondary styles but the past couple decades as the courts of slowed compared to the early 2000's, the "divers" lean heavily toward brawl to survive in these conditions. I like the reference to boxing and though it's outside subjects of familiar with, it would make sense. Hmm... I do consider counterpunching a poke skill, which doesn't mean it can't be acquired by players who dive or brawl predominantly, just how brawlers can still move forward and volley with high proficiency for example. In terms of these concepts, I was lucky to get some coaching in OW2 and cross reference the conclusions with the equivalent of my tennis mentor's instruction, who has a remarkable mind for strategy, then would watch some film from past to present - just to make sure the tactics matched back into and fit the theory. I don't consider myself that smart, and I'm sure after these videos there will be more to pick apart.
@@15PointsOfTennis Great, thanks for your response!
I'd say passing shots, lobs, return of serve and perhaps drop shot responses all are counterpunching skills that any play style can add to their game.
There are pokers in pure form (aka pushers) that don't ever counterpunch. Of course, that doesn't work at higher levels, but it definitely works at lower levels.
So, while predominately a poker skill, all styles can add counterpunching to their game. In boxing, it's probably the hardest way to fight since it's so risky. But the best counterpunchers are deadly.
Anyway, just food for thought. I'm not sure if I'm right on this. But boxing does list it as a "sub-style".
@@15PointsOfTennis Steven, I think Alcaraz is a great example of a Diver that has the sub-style adder of counterpuncher. Whenever he is attacked, he does a great job of scrambling (lobbing, slicing, etc.) and turning the points around, often ending with a blazing passing shot on the run.
So, I think you should consider counterpunching as a sub-style adder that anyone can apply to their game whether a diver, poker, or brawler. Alcaraz shows it's not exclusively a feature of pokers.
Boxing looks at styles this way and perhaps it applies to your tennis styles too.
The tennis bible got updated !
I've been enjoying this series. Struggled getting my head around episode 6, though. This one made sense. Any chance to break down what a prototypical shot might be for each stroke if there is one? Like a tutorial on what to work on if I have my ball machine feeding me crosscourt deep, etc. Thanks for the series!
Thx for watching... 6 meant to be the last definition type of video as players tend to get misled by variations of a given style. I'd ask a player for a match recap by which they'll describe the opponent as offensive, aggressive etc or their opponent moved well, but in reality all styles can be just that. Anyways, if you can expand on your question that would be helpful. If you're working on the ball machine, it's mostly all practicing mechanics and not strategy.
I have one of those new ball machines that you can set up scenarios like 2 crosscourt then one short ball. So grinder seems like it would be simply hit deep crosscourt and then either down the line or a sharper angle on a shorter ball. Diver would be an approach shot and finishing with a volley. Don't know what a primary tactic would be for a poker. I know there is more to it than that, but I'm looking for a cheatsheet to practice dipping my toe into other styles of play. Hard to practice that against an opponent. Currently I'm a base-liner that will come to the net every so often. My alternative style is too occasionally slice or drop shot and lob from BH and FH to break their rhythm and to get them to hit up. Serve is my biggest weapon. @@15PointsOfTennis