I would love love love to see this treatment modality brought to the eating disorders field - I think it could help so many people. Thank you for a great presentation and for the work you do!
Tori Olds is who introduced me to Diana Fosha. She has a video where she reads a transcript of a session helping someone break through their eating disorder
I think this communicates so clearly and brilliantly. So grateful for this video. Now watching for the 3rd time. Each time I watch...I understand more and it goes deeper. It speaks to everything I know doesn't work in typical therapy and what is needed in terms of healing for this new, changing world going forward. Thank you Diana Fosha. I hope I get to do this work.
I did an AEDP course with Diana Fosha a few years back and my most enduring memory of it is her walking in & telling all the women in the room to applaud the men for doing the same job as us
I’m nearing the end of a divorce, and it’s fascinating to hear this short lecture and wonder what AEDP could have done for my wife! Years of imago never really got her to open up or address her attachment issues- it’s all just too scary for a person in her position. I believe, if she is willing in the future, this set of tools could help her. I’ve made huge progress with a therapist trained in EFT and many other techniques, and he suggested this would be the next thing to learn. Keep up the good work!
Currently studying this in my graduate studies, advanced counseling skills class. So grateful for modalities that actually promote change, healing and transformation as opposed to ineffective talk therapy that people can waste tons of money on and still never see measurable results of change in their personal lives and psyche.
Greetings. I’m a licensed psychologist located in South Africa with a keen interest in AEDP practice. I am eager to access video demonstrations, specifically tapes of sessions. Could you provide guidance on where these might be freely available online?
I want to train as AEDP therapist. How do I join the institute. Is there an online arrangement, so that I can take the course from Kenya without having to come to US. I am particularly impressed with the fact that AEDP is phenomenological and focused on transformational processing.
If money is an issue and you are not sure you can afford to attend a training - consider applying for a scholarship. If training isn’t an option, consider some independent study. There are many papers that are available to read through the AEDP Institute website. It may also be possible to purchase streaming access to training videos but that information too, would be available on the website. You may need to become a member to access these videos but it would also help you gain access to learning opportunities like supervision groups, etc.
It's the same stuff, different packaging, and with one dangerous exception. I've been through it with a very talented, experienced psychiatrist who unfortunately got this wrong... and it's easy to do, and quite damaging. You can understand what she is saying it if you do some study on industry nomenclature and how various therapies are applied. Fosha has a way of over-explaining into perfect, minuscule bites of what has existed now for eons and IS already very effective when the clinician actually cares and truly has empathy, regardless of the client's frailties. While she generally speaks truth, again, it is just so nauseatingly drawn out that even the most well-intentioned therapists can be lulled into believing this is the silver bullet for "difficult" clients. Difficult clients are "difficult" usually due to the practitioner not understanding what is going on, not reading their own personal queues, colluding with themselves, their supervisors colluding with them, resulting in not doing right by the client, then the client eventually becoming "difficult". This form of therapy can be dangerous if the therapist does not have an objective supervisor (rarely--they choose their own, and own kind (fellow AEDP)) and then also use the strongly taught use of "boundary violations" as part of the therapy. I understand how this can work well for entrenched clients but rarely are people in general (therapists) so caring that they can get this right. I suspect burned-out therapists go for this the most. Theirs IS a difficult job, especially for the psychiatrist (as I've been told whose suicide rates are second only to surgeons) but if you're really built for being a therapist, it usually isn't so difficult to the extent you need AEDP. And, don't forget, Fosha must make a ton of dough from her disciples who help train each other. Where are the checks and balances? Do no harm. Please, please, do no harm. Wait, you don't have to have a doctorate? Well, there goes that control mechanism out the window too!
Thank you! This perfectly encapsulates my issues with AEDP. I’m disturbed by the cultish attitudes in both the supervisory and therapeutic dyads - “if you don’t adopt my worldview, something is wrong with you.”
The course I went on did feel worryingly culty to me. Assumes the client is going to experience the therapist’s pushing for intimacy as positive and transformative rather than intrusive/impinging, which may be narcissistically gratifying for the therapist but is NOT safe to assume esp w traumatized clients. I do use AEDP techniques with clients who can tolerate such close contact, but there’s no need to make this particular approach an entire way of life.
I am looking to see a new therapist and she says she does this form of therapy. I am trying to learn what it is. I am unable to figure it out from this video. I am sure it's because I am not in the field.
You are so on the spot. This therapy is experiential, and thus make sense by experiencing (from sensation) and not from somr mind's cliche. Try it and it's amazing!
Based on the overview here, it sounds a little reductionistic. To say 'everything boils do to x' (which she did) may be true in some cases and untrue in many cases. She acknowledged the brilliance of the analytic tradition, but I don't hear much that's analytic here. Just experiential. That's okay, but why try then to root it conceptually in something that doesn't fit ?
Sounds very scammy. She's saying nothing with a large words. No definition of health presented or a defined sense of what the person is attempting to grow toward, just "transformation." Seems insufficient .. I guess we have to trust there's more going on behind the curtain? To me it seems like you can't can't define useful "growth" by only having a definition of pathology and teleologically "transformation" alone isn't an end point. If that's all you want then traumatizing someone is also technically transformational. So are these based on client-centered / presented goals? External goals? Specifically defined "neurosis" to avoid? There was a pinch of Gestalt thrown in around 7 minutes, but the rest of the language hasn't matched that, seems more like motivational interviewing at best, or a best-hits compilation of smart sounding phrases. How do you say nothing for so long? That sentence starting at 11:00 is pure tautology with no practicality. Feels like a scam.
I would love love love to see this treatment modality brought to the eating disorders field - I think it could help so many people. Thank you for a great presentation and for the work you do!
Tori Olds is who introduced me to Diana Fosha. She has a video where she reads a transcript of a session helping someone break through their eating disorder
True, without seeing her at work it is hard to understand what she is talking about
I think this communicates so clearly and brilliantly. So grateful for this video. Now watching for the 3rd time. Each time I watch...I understand more and it goes deeper. It speaks to everything I know doesn't work in typical therapy and what is needed in terms of healing for this new, changing world going forward. Thank you Diana Fosha. I hope I get to do this work.
I did an AEDP course with Diana Fosha a few years back and my most enduring memory of it is her walking in & telling all the women in the room to applaud the men for doing the same job as us
@Chaim Mendel What’s Funny 👀
I’m nearing the end of a divorce, and it’s fascinating to hear this short lecture and wonder what AEDP could have done for my wife! Years of imago never really got her to open up or address her attachment issues- it’s all just too scary for a person in her position. I believe, if she is willing in the future, this set of tools could help her. I’ve made huge progress with a therapist trained in EFT and many other techniques, and he suggested this would be the next thing to learn. Keep up the good work!
Good luck for both of you
Currently studying this in my graduate studies, advanced counseling skills class. So grateful for modalities that actually promote change, healing and transformation as opposed to ineffective talk therapy that people can waste tons of money on and still never see measurable results of change in their personal lives and psyche.
Greetings. I’m a licensed psychologist located in South Africa with a keen interest in AEDP practice. I am eager to access video demonstrations, specifically tapes of sessions. Could you provide guidance on where these might be freely available online?
Go for it. It's awesome.
aedp, a place where Davanloo met Perls :)
I want to train as AEDP therapist. How do I join the institute. Is there an online arrangement, so that I can take the course from Kenya without having to come to US. I am particularly impressed with the fact that AEDP is phenomenological and focused on transformational processing.
Study NLP, Generative Coaching, & Positive Psychology Instead - You Can Thank Me Later
If money is an issue and you are not sure you can afford to attend a training - consider applying for a scholarship.
If training isn’t an option, consider some independent study. There are many papers that are available to read through the AEDP Institute website. It may also be possible to purchase streaming access to training videos but that information too, would be available on the website. You may need to become a member to access these videos but it would also help you gain access to learning opportunities like supervision groups, etc.
@@Svetlana--- Thank you for the response. I will surely consider an option out of your suggestions.
tipping point psychology lol now pay me
It's the same stuff, different packaging, and with one dangerous exception. I've been through it with a very talented, experienced psychiatrist who unfortunately got this wrong... and it's easy to do, and quite damaging. You can understand what she is saying it if you do some study on industry nomenclature and how various therapies are applied. Fosha has a way of over-explaining into perfect, minuscule bites of what has existed now for eons and IS already very effective when the clinician actually cares and truly has empathy, regardless of the client's frailties. While she generally speaks truth, again, it is just so nauseatingly drawn out that even the most well-intentioned therapists can be lulled into believing this is the silver bullet for "difficult" clients. Difficult clients are "difficult" usually due to the practitioner not understanding what is going on, not reading their own personal queues, colluding with themselves, their supervisors colluding with them, resulting in not doing right by the client, then the client eventually becoming "difficult". This form of therapy can be dangerous if the therapist does not have an objective supervisor (rarely--they choose their own, and own kind (fellow AEDP)) and then also use the strongly taught use of "boundary violations" as part of the therapy. I understand how this can work well for entrenched clients but rarely are people in general (therapists) so caring that they can get this right. I suspect burned-out therapists go for this the most. Theirs IS a difficult job, especially for the psychiatrist (as I've been told whose suicide rates are second only to surgeons) but if you're really built for being a therapist, it usually isn't so difficult to the extent you need AEDP. And, don't forget, Fosha must make a ton of dough from her disciples who help train each other. Where are the checks and balances? Do no harm. Please, please, do no harm. Wait, you don't have to have a doctorate? Well, there goes that control mechanism out the window too!
Thank you! This perfectly encapsulates my issues with AEDP. I’m disturbed by the cultish attitudes in both the supervisory and therapeutic dyads - “if you don’t adopt my worldview, something is wrong with you.”
The course I went on did feel worryingly culty to me. Assumes the client is going to experience the therapist’s pushing for intimacy as positive and transformative rather than intrusive/impinging, which may be narcissistically gratifying for the therapist but is NOT safe to assume esp w traumatized clients. I do use AEDP techniques with clients who can tolerate such close contact, but there’s no need to make this particular approach an entire way of life.
I am looking to see a new therapist and she says she does this form of therapy. I am trying to learn what it is. I am unable to figure it out from this video. I am sure it's because I am not in the field.
Nah, you simply can't really understand it without practical examples
This model sounds like psychoanalytic person centered therapy without saying it’s person centered oriented.
It's hard to understand anything about the therapy because she's speaking so vaguely about the core processes of the therapy
You are so on the spot. This therapy is experiential, and thus make sense by experiencing (from sensation) and not from somr mind's cliche. Try it and it's amazing!
Warning: This overview of AEDP was likely intended for psychologists and may be difficult for patients to understand.
Based on the overview here, it sounds a little reductionistic. To say 'everything boils do to x' (which she did) may be true in some cases and untrue in many cases. She acknowledged the brilliance of the analytic tradition, but I don't hear much that's analytic here. Just experiential. That's okay, but why try then to root it conceptually in something that doesn't fit ?
Sounds very scammy. She's saying nothing with a large words. No definition of health presented or a defined sense of what the person is attempting to grow toward, just "transformation." Seems insufficient .. I guess we have to trust there's more going on behind the curtain? To me it seems like you can't can't define useful "growth" by only having a definition of pathology and teleologically "transformation" alone isn't an end point. If that's all you want then traumatizing someone is also technically transformational. So are these based on client-centered / presented goals? External goals? Specifically defined "neurosis" to avoid?
There was a pinch of Gestalt thrown in around 7 minutes, but the rest of the language hasn't matched that, seems more like motivational interviewing at best, or a best-hits compilation of smart sounding phrases. How do you say nothing for so long? That sentence starting at 11:00 is pure tautology with no practicality. Feels like a scam.
This model sounds like psychoanalytic person centered therapy without saying it’s person centered oriented.
Yeah I was also picking up on that. PCT is basically client focused.
... without much of the analytic.