RELIC PROJECT 2 Fender Stratocaster Nitro refinish
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Part 2 of the 67/68 Stratocaster project. On this episode we completely refinish and relic a strat body with nitrocellulose.
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Thank you for sharing your beautiful story. From someone who did not get the dad you got, it felt good to hear. I wish you all the best.
And the best to you as well, Ash. And thank you greatly. 🙏
Great content you put out. Really nice. Enjoying going through all your vids.
Thank you very much David! I enjoy making them a great deal. Have a lovely Saturday! 🙏
I have painted with nitro cellulose lacquer also. I can see why they used it back in the 50s because it's very easy to work with and it dries for the next coat very fast. I know it continues to cure for a very long time afterwards, but the cancer causing agents in nitro cellulose is reason to not use it very often. That nitro texture you are talking about is great! Awesome guitar! I never heard of the freezing technique. Cool!
Don't know if you'll see this comment but I feel that I need to express myself.
Thanks for the amazing background story about how your dad brought you to the music store. My dad did the exact same thing to me. I was like 8 when he bought my first acoustic and I started getting lessons at the local music school (I'm from sweden btw). A couple of years went by and when I was 13 I started disliking my teacher (he was so damn angry all the time and shouted about any mistake you made on the guitar so I switched to the electric guitar with a different teacher).
Once again my father brought me to the music store and bought the cheap guitar/amp kit's that you could get (actually a black strat). and a couple of years later he bought me a superstrat (ibanez). I still have all these guitars because the memories and the personal value for me is stronger than getting rid of them.
Don't want to write a wall here but I just want to thank you, brought a tear to my eye thinking about my father and how he not even once forbid me to play the guitar despite the fact that we didn't have much money at that time. I am sharing in your sadness as you remember your loved ones, may them rest in peace! Greatings from Sweden
Emiroj, thank you so much for writing this. It is an amazing thing to have family that know what music means to people like us. Playing, making music, having that communal experience of jamming with friends just for the beauty of playing.
And you are right, those guitars of yours are priceless.
There's no amount of money more important than what we are meant to do as artists and musicians.
Thank you again for listening and watching. Glad to meet a fellow traveler in this way. 😊🙏
What amp are you playign through in the audio? Sounds great
That's the Twin Reverb Tonemaster! Great rig!
I just bought a 2001 squire p bass because I gave my original squire to a friend and then had a falling out. I really regret getting rid of that bass. I can’t wait to refinish it to look like that bass with all the damage a 7th grader did to a guitar.
When you put the guitar in the freezer for two hours, did it take time for the aging cracks in the cellulose to show up or does it happen immediately. Can’t decide if I want to do this because it seems as if a real aging nitro finish has a little bit more erratic aging cracks, maybe since the freezer is so sudden it creates long cracks? What are your thoughts ?
Typically thr expansion and contraction creates checking that is pretty bang on to what you'd get just by waiting.
Sometimes you've got to leave it in there overnight. But yes, it'll kick start the process and about 3 weeks in you'll start to see the fine lines.
Also.... a bit of pencil graphite ground to dust will nicely highlight the lines. As when we see checking, some is textural in reflection but mostly we see the contaminants and dirt really.
The pencil graphite brings the look out. Or, wood stain. Wiped on and off almost immediately.
Hope this helps! And thank you dearly for watching. 😊
I have a poly 2020s guitar I’d like to put a nitro finish on… do I need to sand down to wood or just enough to rough up the clearcoat? Would you prime before the nitro?
Believe it or not, that is literally the exact subject this weeks video is on. Stripping poly and the options around a nitro refin. If you're willing to hold till Friday I'll have a very comprehensive explanation on this. :)
@@breilly66 awesome!!! Looking forward to it!
Nice action. My guitartech made me a solid telecaster spruce body, he said its a 2-component "nitro" laquer. Im not an expert, but i realise that its pretty soft, even after 2 months after spraying. You can literary leave your finger nail mark in a surface when you push harder. Is that normal? Should i spray maybe one coat of"something" to protect that fragile surface?
That is typical of nitro. Poly has a structure to it. Like fiberglass over a foam core surfboard.
But nitro is more of a tinted sealant. Where the timbers yield is still a thing and impressions CA. Be made very easily.
You could shoot nitro clear over it to try and build a "fullerplast" finish if you wanted it to be a bit more substantial?
@@breilly66 Do i need to do a sand work bofore that final nitro coat? I still want to do a relic light job after that, it will not be super hard, right?
@bertonedes Yes. You can use a light scotchbrite pad instead. This will do less leveling and will create a good bonding surface. Just a light hit to knock the shine off. Should be pretty straightforward. ✊️
@@breilly66 Thanks man. Definitelly i will try that. Maybe this time, with that extra nitro coat, i will manage to get those fine temperature shock crackings, because with the existing soft "nitro" it does not work. Nothing happends:(
@bertonedes Absolutely. Give it a go and let us know what shakes out.
Hello, i dont know if i noticed it trough the video. So after final layer of nitro you wet sand and polish after how long time ? Because there some kind of a rule that you need to wait about 30 days to start final sanding and buffing => freezing to get those checking... So whats the correct way. I just finished spraying and i dont want to ruin something. Thank you for your advice :) Gorgeous guitar by the way !
I try and wait about a week. But 3 is a sure shot. I have hit it as early as 20 hours later but it was more of an open grain finish so glass wasn't necessary. So, 1 to 3.
And thanks for watching! Greatly appreciate the kind words!
Hello! Your video series about refinish process is excellent!
Thanks for sharing with us ! :)
Maybe I miss the information but do you know how many coat of black there was ? The entire spray can ? How do you know when it's enough?
Same question for the cleat coat 😇 how many spray can did you use? How to know when it's enough?
Thanks a lot for your work :)
Greatly appreciated! 🙏
Regarding coats....
Any layer for me, be it a base or a topcoat with color.
I go by eye. Every guitar has intricate turns that get better coverage when you change your position from every coat. I start with a dusting. A misting really. This will enable the solvents to etch into the surface while keeping evaporation fast. This minimizes "fish eye-ing" and gives you a better blend if you relic/fade later. Second coat you're looking for even coverage regardless of surface texture. Keeping it light but going for the hue /color correctness.
I do 3 or 4 light coats this way.
Then one or 2 (maybe) wet coats. This is where you're shooting for a gloss (but not a run). So hit it light, wait 5 mins for it to gel as a base, then hit it with a wet coat to act as the final planed surface.
Nitro loves sunshine during and after shooting. As the viscosity thins with the temp rise, the solvent evap is quicker (less time for distortion) and it sands cleaner quicker.
Hope this helps!
Also, this approach is much less labor intensive than the spergy instructions I’ve read on some forums.👍🏻
Sam Ash, RIP.
Thanks so much for sharing your story and techniques. I'm working on my second build which is an attempt of a relic copy of a 68-70 era strat. I had a question about getting that cool checking pattern in nitro. Does it work best if you expose to the freezer soon after coating or can it be later after curing? I don't trust myself with a heat gun and will probably take more time. Sorry if you covered this and I missed it. Great project!!!
You are very welcome! Yea you can totally get it checking later on. I usually do it a little at a time till I'm happy with it. Thanks for watching!
And you can totally do freezer only! Heat gun can really get extreme quick so I try and stay off that for the most part. The freezer is your friend in this!
@@breilly66 Thanks so much!!!
what spray can did you use for the nitro?
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Did you do the spraying on the front at the same time as the back? or did you let it dry then flip it.
I let it kick off and flipped it with a trio of finishing nails keeping the downward surface out of contact.
Do you take projects? I have a Strat (American Original) body in 3-tone sunburst I'm hoping to have painted black (over the existing finish). If you take jobs like this just let me know!
I do indeed!
How many cans of paint did you use for the body?
One can of black. But would have shot olympic under it if it weren't a Blk over green. So one can per color to be prepared.
@@breilly66 THANKS!
Very welcome!
Greetings from Australia and cheers for these informative series of videos. You've given me the confidence to respray and relic one of my poly coated P basses. Just after your opinion on when I should take the relic area of the body back to bare wood? Before I spray it with nitro or afterwards?
Happy to help! I'd start from bare wood first. This way the nitro can break down properly and get you that feathered wear.
Cheers Bill! And let me know if you have any questions while you're rolling!
@breilly66 thank you. What would you recommend for taking poly off? Just a courser sandpaper? Or should I attack it a bit harder with say a file then clean it up with sime sandpaper? Appreciate your help mate 👍🏻
@billkarayannis9333 I'd say start with the heat gun route. It's the quickest, most painless way and it prevents sanding distortions to the radius edge. :)
@breilly66 appreciate your help. Thanks again
@@billkarayannis9333 Yessir ✊️
sick video! did you let the finish cure for a few weeks before the polishing ? or is that not necessary?
I let it settle for a few days at least typically. If it's hot out (over 75) wetsanding can sometimes literally be done the next day with no issues but usually I give it a week.
And thanks J! Glad you dug it! 🙏
this is black lacquer?
no clear coats?
No Clear. Episode 1 of this series should show the steps. Black nitro over Sherwood Green metallic
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Is the OG paint poly or nitro? I’ve got a body I’d like to do a spray-over like you’re doing but I really don’t want to strip the poly off.
The OG was nitro but thus process still works over poly. You'll get less checking but it'll go.
I dont blame you for not sanding to the bare wood. It's the biggest pain in the ass to sand around the horns and everything. Not worth doing unless it's a heavy poly coat as you don't want poly under nitro.
may i ask what your mothers name was?
Her name was Kathy Reilly.
@@breilly66 ... i know momma kathy is missed .you should call the guitar the kathycaster
@@djsfunhouse. Thanks Dj. I really appreciate it. I know she does too.
Little homie got the tax return guitar. The tax return fairy giveth and she taketh away lol. They probably sold the thing when a bill or something was due and they were too heartbroken to tell you.
It be like that sometimes.
For your information, my parents were intentional and very giving! But thanks for the adolescent and classist assessment! Fortunately for me, all comments and responses make the algorithm progressively favor me more and more. Regardless of your intentionality. :) So by all means.... please continue.