I think the biggest problem is Quick doesn’t have the same level of support as Buster and Arts. It sometimes feels like you need both forms of Skadi to do what Castoria and Merlin can do on their own, and there aren’t as many budget Quick supports. Arts has Paracelsus and Xu Fu. Buster has Shakespeare. Who does Quick have?
I think Quick needs a Kukulkan-type Servant. Someone who can trade Stars for extra effects on their skills since you’ll often have an abundance of stars with Quick. A Servant like that could be absolutely broken and deal insane levels of damage.
@@giovannigiorgio831 Calamity Jane has her S3 upgrade that adds effects if you have up to 50 stars. Another system that could be big is if they allowed extra attacks to do crit damage if you have x amount of stars maybe over 50 then each star would give it 4 or 5% crit chance so at 70/75 stars.
Part of the problem is quick doesnt get events where its fun to use a quick or arts unit. all the 90++ are really buster locked unless you do some weird multicore setup
This is exactly the reason why i often times prefer buster farming. This truly holds for me in weird nodes or against assassins and berserkers where refunding might be more difficult.
I think that a big part of this is that Arts and Buster provide things that you can't get from skills and CEs alone. Arts Servants let you loop your NP more easily than other Servants, and Buster Servants are your dedicated nukes. Quick, as a card type, was originally built around setting up for big damage on the next turn. The idea was that you'd use an Assassin to build up stars to set up some big crits on the next turn and the card was set up to reflect that by doing less damage than the other two. Unfortunately, unlike NP Gain from Arts chains or extra damage from Buster chains, after a certain point, more star gen is completely useless due to the fact that you can only use 50 stars in a turn and any past that are wasted effort. Combine that with the fact that star bomb and passive star gen skills and CEs exist and Quick is left as effectively the least useful card type. Mighty Chains helped a bit, but until we get the opportunity to spend our crit stars for more than getting 100% Crit chance on our face cards, Quick will continue to lag behind Buster and Arts
It's not just you. Other RUclipsrs and Reddit do get disappointed when a new character is quick type just because they have such limited support. You can't really do things like the Morgan/Himiko immortal team, or double-stacking buffs like Koyan Light, or really anything with cooldown reduction like Tamamo / Koyan teams can do. Quick can do 3-turn setups for farming and bosses, but the requirements are a lot tighter and the payoff isn't really worth when you could just be using stronger arts/buster teams. I really hope they release some new quick support this year, or maybe just do a complete overhaul of all quick servant hit counts to open up more options.
The way I see it, because Quick has the worst supports, they make the DPS units as busted as possible. Though if I had to give anyone a buff,Scadi can use one where she gives herself 20% battery when she targets someone else with her’s. Or they finally give us a tanky quick support. Because Quick is almost never used for challenge quests unless they are NP5 copies.
Speaking of Quick not getting hyped Servants, I was surprised as hell when Richard the Lionheart was NOT a Quick Servants. His entire KIT in Strange Fake with Godspeed and his fake Excalibur is about how quick he is and how he can spam his NP. Would’ve been perfect for him.
I think most people doesn't hype quick servants because they aren't interested in rolling for skadi and have a negative bias towards the green card. So, when a quick unit comes out, they are left behind just because they can't "just slap double castoria" in the comp to make it work. It's not like quick units aren't popular, it's more about people bashing them off just because they are quick
There's great Quick Servants, the problems is the lack of variety in Supports, and the intentional gimping of those that exist. As you said, does Arts really need the split batteries Castoria offers more than Quick does? No, Quick needs it more, but they refuse to give either Skadi a split battery. Survivability? That's a joke; Caster Skadi has by far the weakest of the original Big Three of Merlin, Skadi, and Castoria, and they refuse to buff it, let alone her ability to access it, which is also a result of the refusal to give her split batteries. And on top of that, they dump Supports of all rarities on Arts but give nothing to Quick. All told, it paints the picture that Lasagna hates Quick specifically. I think that some of it amounts to laziness - it's simply easier to put out yet another Arts Servant we don't need than try to fix an entire Card Type meta. But I've also long suspected that someone in a position of power at Lasagna actually has a grudge against Skadi personally, and the Quick system she created, and hates Quick as an actual card type. They've released several excellent Quick units, but ever since Skadi's release you can see which Quick units they intentionally handicapped, where Arts really never received the same treatment even after Castoria was released.
I have literally every servant on NA and even with Ruler Skadi I haven't quick looped except to meme. For every quick looper there is someone better in that class for arts or buster.
I don't know if this is a crazy take, but I feel like the moment bosses started to have 17 gimmick per fight was the moment quick got "weaker". Because hear me out quicks greatest strength is the ability to crits thing down in one or two good turns, and bosses being like "3 unremoveable guts and at the end of each turn gain invul." Really hurt quick the most. Cause I can tell you this much I still talk up servents like okita (who is still great).
I find it weird that Quick's main feature is generating A LOT of Stars but they never make servants capable of taking advantage of them. How cool would it be to have a Quick Servant capable of converting spare Stars into NP Charge, Atk Up or Crit Up, etc... I just feel that Arts and Buster are better to use because they take better advantage of their strength. Arts is Refund and consistency while Buster is BIG PP DAMAGE in short bursts and both are very good at what they do while Quick tries to be this weird middle ground
Like... why wasnt Kukulkan a quick if all her shit needed stars to activate Like they could have a servants whose whole deal is that they get to use the left over stars if all cards are at 100% crit and them convert them to extra crit damage like 5% per star
NA player here: I feel like Zhang Jue could have been the support quick servants needed if his third skill could increase other servant's the NP gauge. I feel like it's just him and Alexander that can provide low star, quick support. Hans could kind of do it too, but he could help anyone, not just support.
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Let him double-dip into two niches, quick support and field support, and we have a premium 3-star support. Sadly neither part is very good, and I doubt he'll get relevant buffs. The biggest issue quick has IMO is the lack of low-rarity quick supports. Arts has an absolute deluge of them, even though arts units need the least help.
I think it starts off early with quick and the lackluster 1-3 stars. Caesar falls off quick, ushi is great and cu is cu, but that's practically it. For farming you have like 4 riders, now a caster and an assassin. Support is practically non existent and is still rider focused. Arts and buster get np charges, decent card boosters, np gain. Decent wave clearers like spart, Arash, gong. My fluffy kill used shakespeare for example; a 'bad' buster support does better than most lower rarity quick supports due to his charge and an ok buster buff. I find you have to invest a lot into quick to even start to play quick and it really holds it back.
I think a good step could be someone that could swqp between st/ae with Buster/Quick similar to a Melusine or Ptolemaios. Personally i think if Charlie gets an NP buff to apply his heroic stack and Quick down before damage he could be "fixed". If Saber Medusa got a power mod for Petrified/stunned enemies, honestly her and Kashin Koji could do some work together. I also think the new Lancer has potential especially as a Grand with how bonkers her Bond CE is with her (all her crits apply poison).
What’s wrong with them? Quick has two meta supports with 50% charges something both arts and buster is lacking, and quick has many multi core units one of which is a meta support and another is the best aoe farmer in the game rn.
@Jay-n8e4w yes the two skadi support are great farming support but that's it, what quick lack is a support that can consistently help with longer battles and a party np charge support. Also quick is missing a low star support (3☆ below)
@@proxy5506 That’s why many quick servants nowadays are good multi core options and a lot of the 3 start supports in this game aren’t card specific which is also goes into my next point you can use the low stars like xu fu in cq with quick units. Also a lot of quick units are good cq units which might be better than relying on a support to stay alive support.
It's so weird that people don't realize the Buster is worse than quick overall it was cemented when drop came out most quick servants out damage Buster and arts on the first two waves, can loop gain , can dps with crits,etc it's just blatantly at this point better then buster
Can't speak on popularity, but my comfort farm team is a NP2 Amor and 2 Skadi. Summer Skadi and Amor are both Ruler class, it's very comfortable and cozy using them.
Quick is kind of being gimped by having all their supports basically starting and ending at Skadi, not to mention that there are just less quick oriented servants than buster or arts. Like with arts you can immediately think of castoria, tamammo, proto merlin, etc. And buster has koyan, merlin, oberon(though he counts as support for all types), etc. Quick just has skadi, and other skadi, maybe osakabehime and wu if you squint. All of whom are lacking something the other card types have in spades, protection. Quick is kind of stuck as the awkward middle child of unga bunga damage of Buster and the easy spam of Arts. Quick's role was to provide stars, Arts was to gen np, and Busters was to do damage. but at this point Buster and Arts have too many options to just shit out enough stars for the entire hand. Making things worse is that there's no bonus for going over 50 stars, which quick servants often do. Yeah cool, I hit over 99 stars, too bad that over 49 of them are completely useless. I really hope they add at least one or two low star quick support on the level of Fu and start adding more quick supports on the level of the foxes that can actually help them.
Quick is not bad, it's actually better than Buster in a lot of scenarios, come on now. Quick DPSes are inherently stronger now and more Quick servants can Black Grail than Buster Servants. Buster is only better if you single core Super a Kukulkan or something, they still fall off turn 1 regardless. The main reason Quick servants don't have hype is the COMMUNITY's fault and the general attitude of FGOtubers around Quick units. Louhi, barely any hype except for Plushie who correctly identified her as the strongest multicore Berserker by a country mile.
Louhi also hyped by Myst due to Finland. The overall Community is just wrong about Quick. The best Servant JP got last year is EASILY Kazuradrop, who is Quick. Who can both DPS and Support with broken abilities. Melt and Kama are beyond broken after the NP Buffs. New Dantes is a monster. Hibiki and Chiaki are strong. Louhi is insane. Caren is also real strong as a DPS. People are just kinda being dumb. Buster is in a way worse spot than Quick at this point. They are still stuck with 50% Charge CEs and Koyan Cooldown Spam to get by, even after all this timer. Quick has way more utility at this point.
@@orga7777Not to mention the strongest and best soloists in the game are Quick servants. Unlike Buster servants who just dies without Koyanskaya. Quick multicore is stronger than Buster multicore and with the higher NP scaling practically does more damage than Arts multicore. The community is just wrong about Quick yeah. There more BG Quick loopers than BG Buster loopers. Quick is far stronger than Buster at this point, it's closer to Arts than Buster.
Don’t forget Bazett. My np1 Bazett (+ summer Skadi and Castoria support) turned one of the ORT raids and final ORT fight into hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby 😅.
I think you raise a good point, they don't release that many banger of servants for quick. I have Senyo and okita Summer, both are great to farm with but buster and arts are so much more fun to use.
Love you Z but this one feels like cope. I think we got a lot of quick units but a huge portion of the community hates to pull on quick units and i think you realized you haven’t been pulling on quick for the last two years. Ushi Gozen, New Dantes, Louhi, Kazuradrop, saberdusa, wandjina, saber Cu, and of course Alice. We’ve been getting quick units if we’re honest the community just tells people not to roll for them and it leads to a vicious cycle. I’m not saying that’s you but i do think you are critical of quick just not as critical as other fgo players. But as someone who cleared most of the lostbelts with just ushi gozen and yui with no skadis at all, i think a lot of the community has no clue how good quick actually is because we go out of our way to avoid it and quick units
I had ALL except castoria in NA, but in JP i have only castoria and recently Oberon thad came on pity, but i simply do ALL Farms, changing my koyanskaya for a life kaleido aoko, and skadi for a castoria with Bond CE, i want koyanskaya and skaadi back, but it's not needed, i love Quick, was my First looping comp on NA, Quick os good, Just need to learn a little
@grayzo16 fr. I'm in lb2 and having the worst time of my life. Started playing about 4 or 5 months ago. Got some busted servants, but still struggling. I'm scared af for what's to come. I don't even know if I'll make it to lb7 😭😭
Either you skip the story ( read it later from RUclips ) and rush to lb7. Or use ur pure prism to get mats from the shop. But honestly, building characters in this game is almost as hard as pulling them 😂
Quick has Bazett. Who else do you need (except maybe Rikyu/Komhime if you need to fight knight classes)? Finished LB7 on Monday. I went into the ORT final form boss fight blind with a thrown together team of Bazett, Rasputin (just because he’s my newest alter ego and I hadn’t quite twigged yet that his taunt messes up Bazett’s NP), Ruler Skadi and Casteria to see what the gimmick was and what I had to plan for. Ended up clearing it on the first attempt. Everyone other than Bazett was down by turn 5 but she just kept on going; mighty brave chaining, looping, critting and melting 2 of his break bars (other than that annoying last HP in the counter turn) per turn. Other servants just get in her way. I wish I’d recorded it as it was hilarious.
I use quick all the time in jp don't see much of a problem even in challenge Quests. People use to say Arts was bad now look at it quick is one castoria away from being busted.
My box is surprisingly balanced. I have all the meta supports except Reines, waver, and merlin. I have np4 melt, np2 vlad, np1 king Hassan, np1 for kuku, Rikyu, and ibuki + a bunch of less insane servants for each card type
Just checked my Chaldea app and the total number of Limited servants I have is 21 Arts, 27 Buster, and 13 Quick. If I only count five stars then it's 13A/18B/9Q.
I multi core farm with Arash or Habetrat for wave 1 then do waves 2-3 with old Dantes on 2 Skadis. I 3 turn with NP1 Dantes on 3 Skadis and often have enough oomph for another Np + crits on quick/buster cards turn 4 Also for challenge quests Van Gogh crushes nearly everything save for Alter Ego bosses
The most hype quick servant this year on NA for me, is a certain st snake Saber. but as f2p its better for me to summon for Draco and summer Castoria because of their versatility
Kama being "a little" better lmao Sucks that quick only has Skadi holding the line for dedicated support. My Tlaloc only has Waver looking out for her 😅
I multi core farm with Arash or Habetrat for wave 1 then do waves 2-3 with old Dantes on 2 Skadis. I 3 turn with NP1 Dantes on 3 Skadis and often have enough oomph for another Np + crits on quick/buster cards turn 4
Bro you think quick is ass cuz you don’t have quick servants. You deadass skipped almost all the quick banners. I would think it’s ass too if I only had 2 quick servants
Had one of my best experiences here on the NA side fighting the midget version of Ort. I went into that last fight of him blind cause i dont go out of my way knowing the mechanics. I thought it was another raid type fight since the game mentions that u can have 1 or 6 servants. So i took my 6/6/6 Bazette as i did with the initial raid not knowing. She solo'd that last fight. It was so much fun. Than i took Taira into that final Tez fight albiet not solo with the Skadi's and pretty much min turn the guy. Players can meme on Quick all they want but man some of these Quick servants are so much fun to use.
They hate quick! Where is my supports! Where is my farmers! Low star quick support ... Not even one No wonder no one wants to play Quick! Its a self fullfilling prophecy
Yeah i agree, quick really doesnt have many hype units. Only ones i see as hype are dantes, scathach, douman, kama, and..... nvm thats it. Taigong is cool but hes kinda a bum. But i like quick because its more fun to use compared to arts which is just brain dead.
On another note, just remembered we got melt, achilles, charlamagne, taira, medusa, and alice. All cool units as well, but one thing i noticed is that the cool units like lb kings and such are usually buster or arts.
My only real issue with how the game handles quick is that they almost always exclude quick from receiving the franchise's most popular/anticipated servants. It's problematic that community stigma downright prevents quick from getting certain servants. It's sort of a positive feedback loop where the fewer popular servants quick gets, the less players care about it. The less players care about quick, the fewer popular servants it receives.
@@orga7777 "Almost always". And ofc they're popular, but not on the same level as the icons in buster/arts. I think ZTL made a very excellent example of Olga Marie having almost no chance of releasing as a quick servant.
@@AyaReikoTripleEliteThat's the exact point. We have some good quick servants but arts and buster are always receiving the way better servants. For every servant like Okita Alter summer for quick. we get a Ibuki summer, Spishtar, and beast Eresh for arts. As well as Arjuna Alter, Tiamat, Morgan for buster. In the time between every great quick unit we get 2+ great units for the other types.
Quick doesnt have hype servants and they dont have much supports. If they buffed the quick card and let you do something with all those chit stars they would be great.
Quick has greater sustain and long term CQ capabilities compared to buster. Quick can do both strong damage due to their crits and they can NP gain very well because of those crits. Their main issues is that they take time to get going but can last much longer in tougher content
The answer is two fold, money and quick was never "good" to begin with. Since early quick needed a MLB Kscope, DW was never going to lean into quick looping servants because most people did not have a MLB Kscope. When Arts and Buster looping came out it was much easier to sell Arts and Buster servants because all it required was a single copy of their respective support servants to sell their loopers. Since all the great servants are either Arts or Buster right now means that there is even less of a reason to roll for the Skadis when their banners show up. And since less people are getting Skadis there are less people to go hard on a new crazy Quick servants. Simply put, outside of the bone they throw quick once or twice a year Lasengle will make more money off Arts and Buster servants. And since they get all the banger servants there is even less incentive for players to go quick thus creating an eternal death spiral for quick. The sad part is that it's probably not fixable. They would need to release a multi-core friendly quick support servant followed by several crazy Quick servants to start dragging it from the dredges. TLDR: Quick is dead, always has been and you can blame money for it.
normal okita has been one of my best servants because she just SHREDS people to pieces. i can pretty much loop with her just doing a quick combo. and i will preface this with i play stupid and use only bond up CE's
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I think the biggest problem is Quick doesn’t have the same level of support as Buster and Arts. It sometimes feels like you need both forms of Skadi to do what Castoria and Merlin can do on their own, and there aren’t as many budget Quick supports. Arts has Paracelsus and Xu Fu. Buster has Shakespeare. Who does Quick have?
I think Quick needs a Kukulkan-type Servant. Someone who can trade Stars for extra effects on their skills since you’ll often have an abundance of stars with Quick. A Servant like that could be absolutely broken and deal insane levels of damage.
@@giovannigiorgio831 Calamity Jane has her S3 upgrade that adds effects if you have up to 50 stars.
Another system that could be big is if they allowed extra attacks to do crit damage if you have x amount of stars maybe over 50 then each star would give it 4 or 5% crit chance so at 70/75 stars.
Part of the problem is quick doesnt get events where its fun to use a quick or arts unit. all the 90++ are really buster locked unless you do some weird multicore setup
This is exactly the reason why i often times prefer buster farming. This truly holds for me in weird nodes or against assassins and berserkers where refunding might be more difficult.
you see your problem is lack of Bazett lucky for you valentines day is next month
Tlaloc!
Caren is also a pretty good quick looper coming out in valentine
I think that a big part of this is that Arts and Buster provide things that you can't get from skills and CEs alone. Arts Servants let you loop your NP more easily than other Servants, and Buster Servants are your dedicated nukes. Quick, as a card type, was originally built around setting up for big damage on the next turn. The idea was that you'd use an Assassin to build up stars to set up some big crits on the next turn and the card was set up to reflect that by doing less damage than the other two. Unfortunately, unlike NP Gain from Arts chains or extra damage from Buster chains, after a certain point, more star gen is completely useless due to the fact that you can only use 50 stars in a turn and any past that are wasted effort. Combine that with the fact that star bomb and passive star gen skills and CEs exist and Quick is left as effectively the least useful card type. Mighty Chains helped a bit, but until we get the opportunity to spend our crit stars for more than getting 100% Crit chance on our face cards, Quick will continue to lag behind Buster and Arts
It's not just you. Other RUclipsrs and Reddit do get disappointed when a new character is quick type just because they have such limited support. You can't really do things like the Morgan/Himiko immortal team, or double-stacking buffs like Koyan Light, or really anything with cooldown reduction like Tamamo / Koyan teams can do. Quick can do 3-turn setups for farming and bosses, but the requirements are a lot tighter and the payoff isn't really worth when you could just be using stronger arts/buster teams. I really hope they release some new quick support this year, or maybe just do a complete overhaul of all quick servant hit counts to open up more options.
quick isn’t even bad. it’s just the fandom not knowing how to use a card type
also Saber Medusa is pretty busted
Feel like most of the time this is why people complain about certain things but yeah quick isn't even that bad just not as busted as arts and buster
Quick is insane for boss fights
The way I see it, because Quick has the worst supports, they make the DPS units as busted as possible. Though if I had to give anyone a buff,Scadi can use one where she gives herself 20% battery when she targets someone else with her’s. Or they finally give us a tanky quick support. Because Quick is almost never used for challenge quests unless they are NP5 copies.
you're missing both Charlie and Okitan as quick AOE
Speaking of Quick not getting hyped Servants, I was surprised as hell when Richard the Lionheart was NOT a Quick Servants. His entire KIT in Strange Fake with Godspeed and his fake Excalibur is about how quick he is and how he can spam his NP. Would’ve been perfect for him.
This just in: If you don't pull for Quick Servants, you will NOT have any Quick Servants.
More at 11.
I think most people doesn't hype quick servants because they aren't interested in rolling for skadi and have a negative bias towards the green card. So, when a quick unit comes out, they are left behind just because they can't "just slap double castoria" in the comp to make it work. It's not like quick units aren't popular, it's more about people bashing them off just because they are quick
There's great Quick Servants, the problems is the lack of variety in Supports, and the intentional gimping of those that exist. As you said, does Arts really need the split batteries Castoria offers more than Quick does? No, Quick needs it more, but they refuse to give either Skadi a split battery. Survivability? That's a joke; Caster Skadi has by far the weakest of the original Big Three of Merlin, Skadi, and Castoria, and they refuse to buff it, let alone her ability to access it, which is also a result of the refusal to give her split batteries.
And on top of that, they dump Supports of all rarities on Arts but give nothing to Quick.
All told, it paints the picture that Lasagna hates Quick specifically. I think that some of it amounts to laziness - it's simply easier to put out yet another Arts Servant we don't need than try to fix an entire Card Type meta. But I've also long suspected that someone in a position of power at Lasagna actually has a grudge against Skadi personally, and the Quick system she created, and hates Quick as an actual card type. They've released several excellent Quick units, but ever since Skadi's release you can see which Quick units they intentionally handicapped, where Arts really never received the same treatment even after Castoria was released.
I have literally every servant on NA and even with Ruler Skadi I haven't quick looped except to meme. For every quick looper there is someone better in that class for arts or buster.
ZTL: I mean who doesn't like normal Dantes even?
Me who dislikes pretty much all the Danganronpa art Servants: Hello there
Same lol
I don't know if this is a crazy take, but I feel like the moment bosses started to have 17 gimmick per fight was the moment quick got "weaker". Because hear me out quicks greatest strength is the ability to crits thing down in one or two good turns, and bosses being like "3 unremoveable guts and at the end of each turn gain invul." Really hurt quick the most.
Cause I can tell you this much I still talk up servents like okita (who is still great).
I find it weird that Quick's main feature is generating A LOT of Stars but they never make servants capable of taking advantage of them.
How cool would it be to have a Quick Servant capable of converting spare Stars into NP Charge, Atk Up or Crit Up, etc...
I just feel that Arts and Buster are better to use because they take better advantage of their strength. Arts is Refund and consistency while Buster is BIG PP DAMAGE in short bursts and both are very good at what they do while Quick tries to be this weird middle ground
Like... why wasnt Kukulkan a quick if all her shit needed stars to activate
Like they could have a servants whose whole deal is that they get to use the left over stars if all cards are at 100% crit and them convert them to extra crit damage like 5% per star
@@nsalieister3334If Kuku was quick y’all would unironically call her bad and not roll.
NA player here: I feel like Zhang Jue could have been the support quick servants needed if his third skill could increase other servant's the NP gauge. I feel like it's just him and Alexander that can provide low star, quick support. Hans could kind of do it too, but he could help anyone, not just support.
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Let him double-dip into two niches, quick support and field support, and we have a premium 3-star support. Sadly neither part is very good, and I doubt he'll get relevant buffs.
The biggest issue quick has IMO is the lack of low-rarity quick supports. Arts has an absolute deluge of them, even though arts units need the least help.
I think it starts off early with quick and the lackluster 1-3 stars. Caesar falls off quick, ushi is great and cu is cu, but that's practically it. For farming you have like 4 riders, now a caster and an assassin. Support is practically non existent and is still rider focused.
Arts and buster get np charges, decent card boosters, np gain. Decent wave clearers like spart, Arash, gong. My fluffy kill used shakespeare for example; a 'bad' buster support does better than most lower rarity quick supports due to his charge and an ok buster buff.
I find you have to invest a lot into quick to even start to play quick and it really holds it back.
I'm too addicted to pushing big red buttons to try and fiddle about with the mint flavored servants
Give us a quick support that spends stars to enhance support skills or charge party NP by 2% per star and we're sorted
I think a good step could be someone that could swqp between st/ae with Buster/Quick similar to a Melusine or Ptolemaios.
Personally i think if Charlie gets an NP buff to apply his heroic stack and Quick down before damage he could be "fixed". If Saber Medusa got a power mod for Petrified/stunned enemies, honestly her and Kashin Koji could do some work together. I also think the new Lancer has potential especially as a Grand with how bonkers her Bond CE is with her (all her crits apply poison).
You lack Summer Okita Alter. That's why you are weak with Quick.
The issue isn't the servants but the quick support
What’s wrong with them? Quick has two meta supports with 50% charges something both arts and buster is lacking, and quick has many multi core units one of which is a meta support and another is the best aoe farmer in the game rn.
The issue is Skadi doesn't have np gain boost. With that Quick maybe be considered as a good option.
@Jay-n8e4w yes the two skadi support are great farming support but that's it, what quick lack is a support that can consistently help with longer battles and a party np charge support. Also quick is missing a low star support (3☆ below)
@@proxy5506 What about Geronimo? Hehehe
@@proxy5506 That’s why many quick servants nowadays are good multi core options and a lot of the 3 start supports in this game aren’t card specific which is also goes into my next point you can use the low stars like xu fu in cq with quick units. Also a lot of quick units are good cq units which might be better than relying on a support to stay alive support.
I feel that too, ZTL. I NP2'd my Huyan and it just doesn't feel that great. Lasagna PLEASE be nice to quick!
It's so weird that people don't realize the Buster is worse than quick overall it was cemented when drop came out most quick servants out damage Buster and arts on the first two waves, can loop gain , can dps with crits,etc it's just blatantly at this point better then buster
Can't speak on popularity, but my comfort farm team is a NP2 Amor and 2 Skadi.
Summer Skadi and Amor are both Ruler class, it's very comfortable and cozy using them.
Just wanted to let everyone know I failed my saber Medusa summons that's all
Quick is kind of being gimped by having all their supports basically starting and ending at Skadi, not to mention that there are just less quick oriented servants than buster or arts. Like with arts you can immediately think of castoria, tamammo, proto merlin, etc. And buster has koyan, merlin, oberon(though he counts as support for all types), etc. Quick just has skadi, and other skadi, maybe osakabehime and wu if you squint. All of whom are lacking something the other card types have in spades, protection. Quick is kind of stuck as the awkward middle child of unga bunga damage of Buster and the easy spam of Arts. Quick's role was to provide stars, Arts was to gen np, and Busters was to do damage. but at this point Buster and Arts have too many options to just shit out enough stars for the entire hand. Making things worse is that there's no bonus for going over 50 stars, which quick servants often do. Yeah cool, I hit over 99 stars, too bad that over 49 of them are completely useless. I really hope they add at least one or two low star quick support on the level of Fu and start adding more quick supports on the level of the foxes that can actually help them.
if only np could be able to crit too
Kama “got kinda good.” Major lulz. Kama is hella broken. I am trying to get her asap.
Quick is not bad, it's actually better than Buster in a lot of scenarios, come on now. Quick DPSes are inherently stronger now and more Quick servants can Black Grail than Buster Servants. Buster is only better if you single core Super a Kukulkan or something, they still fall off turn 1 regardless.
The main reason Quick servants don't have hype is the COMMUNITY's fault and the general attitude of FGOtubers around Quick units. Louhi, barely any hype except for Plushie who correctly identified her as the strongest multicore Berserker by a country mile.
Louhi also hyped by Myst due to Finland. The overall Community is just wrong about Quick. The best Servant JP got last year is EASILY Kazuradrop, who is Quick. Who can both DPS and Support with broken abilities. Melt and Kama are beyond broken after the NP Buffs. New Dantes is a monster. Hibiki and Chiaki are strong. Louhi is insane. Caren is also real strong as a DPS. People are just kinda being dumb. Buster is in a way worse spot than Quick at this point. They are still stuck with 50% Charge CEs and Koyan Cooldown Spam to get by, even after all this timer. Quick has way more utility at this point.
@@orga7777Not to mention the strongest and best soloists in the game are Quick servants. Unlike Buster servants who just dies without Koyanskaya.
Quick multicore is stronger than Buster multicore and with the higher NP scaling practically does more damage than Arts multicore.
The community is just wrong about Quick yeah. There more BG Quick loopers than BG Buster loopers.
Quick is far stronger than Buster at this point, it's closer to Arts than Buster.
sen no rikyu my beloved
The thing about quick is criticals are guaranteed, although big critical damage aren't much
Don’t forget Bazett. My np1 Bazett (+ summer Skadi and Castoria support) turned one of the ORT raids and final ORT fight into hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby 😅.
Love quick farming with Alice BG. She has basically a 70% battery + append is 90% first turn and she’s good in CQ.
Louhi is my favorite quick looper, I just wish quick had some low rarity supports.
Whenever I have to do a CQ or LB Boss fight, I always had a quick servant. They just always clutched for me for some reason. Farming wise? Never
İ like quick servants
Tlaloc!
I think quick needs to lean harder into multi core, have more team-wide charging and team-wide buffing.
Quick doesn't have any new hype because they made Kintoki early and couldn't come up with anything more GOLDEN than that!
I didn't get Caster Skadi so I'm gonna have to pray my next one is good
I mean it doesn’t help that Melt Jack and Kama 3 of the best quick servants are single target
I think you raise a good point, they don't release that many banger of servants for quick. I have Senyo and okita Summer, both are great to farm with but buster and arts are so much more fun to use.
Count of monte cristo like dude isn't he too edgy I wanna make him my first max servant.
Love you Z but this one feels like cope. I think we got a lot of quick units but a huge portion of the community hates to pull on quick units and i think you realized you haven’t been pulling on quick for the last two years. Ushi Gozen, New Dantes, Louhi, Kazuradrop, saberdusa, wandjina, saber Cu, and of course Alice. We’ve been getting quick units if we’re honest the community just tells people not to roll for them and it leads to a vicious cycle. I’m not saying that’s you but i do think you are critical of quick just not as critical as other fgo players. But as someone who cleared most of the lostbelts with just ushi gozen and yui with no skadis at all, i think a lot of the community has no clue how good quick actually is because we go out of our way to avoid it and quick units
I had ALL except castoria in NA, but in JP i have only castoria and recently Oberon thad came on pity, but i simply do ALL Farms, changing my koyanskaya for a life kaleido aoko, and skadi for a castoria with Bond CE, i want koyanskaya and skaadi back, but it's not needed, i love Quick, was my First looping comp on NA, Quick os good, Just need to learn a little
I agree, I got Caster Skadi (but no ruler) and a NP 3 Dante. And I have to use koyan of light and oberon.
I love quick but we get shafted.
Buddy forgot to put respect on tea grandma and Charlie. Also I'm surprised Z didn't have alter okita
Random question, but I just bagged kuku on na and I'm nowhere near lb7.. any idea when they will add the ascension mats to the pure prism shop for na?
Im in the same boat lol
@grayzo16 fr. I'm in lb2 and having the worst time of my life. Started playing about 4 or 5 months ago. Got some busted servants, but still struggling. I'm scared af for what's to come. I don't even know if I'll make it to lb7 😭😭
Either you skip the story ( read it later from RUclips ) and rush to lb7.
Or use ur pure prism to get mats from the shop.
But honestly, building characters in this game is almost as hard as pulling them 😂
Next week/early February should add LB7 mats to pure prism shop
I think on the in-game news it's 28?
Quick has Bazett. Who else do you need (except maybe Rikyu/Komhime if you need to fight knight classes)?
Finished LB7 on Monday. I went into the ORT final form boss fight blind with a thrown together team of Bazett, Rasputin (just because he’s my newest alter ego and I hadn’t quite twigged yet that his taunt messes up Bazett’s NP), Ruler Skadi and Casteria to see what the gimmick was and what I had to plan for. Ended up clearing it on the first attempt. Everyone other than Bazett was down by turn 5 but she just kept on going; mighty brave chaining, looping, critting and melting 2 of his break bars (other than that annoying last HP in the counter turn) per turn. Other servants just get in her way. I wish I’d recorded it as it was hilarious.
I use quick all the time in jp don't see much of a problem even in challenge Quests. People use to say Arts was bad now look at it quick is one castoria away from being busted.
My box is surprisingly balanced. I have all the meta supports except Reines, waver, and merlin. I have np4 melt, np2 vlad, np1 king Hassan, np1 for kuku, Rikyu, and ibuki + a bunch of less insane servants for each card type
im gonna wait for a different quick support cus i aint summonig for skadi ruler
Unrelated but what's the red dot that Morgan has? I've seen it in NA too.
Give Skadi Np gain boost in her skill. With that Quick maybe be considered as a good option.
quick is literally get middle child treatment in fgo.
Just checked my Chaldea app and the total number of Limited servants I have is 21 Arts, 27 Buster, and 13 Quick. If I only count five stars then it's 13A/18B/9Q.
What about Louhi?
I multi core farm with Arash or Habetrat for wave 1 then do waves 2-3 with old Dantes on 2 Skadis.
I 3 turn with NP1 Dantes on 3 Skadis and often have enough oomph for another Np + crits on quick/buster cards turn 4
Also for challenge quests Van Gogh crushes nearly everything save for Alter Ego bosses
The most hype quick servant this year on NA for me, is a certain st snake Saber. but as f2p its better for me to summon for Draco and summer Castoria because of their versatility
Kama being "a little" better lmao
Sucks that quick only has Skadi holding the line for dedicated support. My Tlaloc only has Waver looking out for her 😅
I multi core farm with Arash or Habetrat for wave 1 then do waves 2-3 with old Dantes on 2 Skadis.
I 3 turn with NP1 Dantes on 3 Skadis and often have enough oomph for another Np + crits on quick/buster cards turn 4
dude, i got all bonker quick AoEs... but this ruler skadi just dont want to come home
Rock'n my 110 fully fou-ed zerkerlot. Love it! I do wish there were better quick supports. Ruler Skadi was a notable upgrade for him.
Bro you think quick is ass cuz you don’t have quick servants. You deadass skipped almost all the quick banners. I would think it’s ass too if I only had 2 quick servants
Unfortunately quick is just inherently worse than arts or buster for looping, stars aren't really helpful unless you're doing face card farming
For 90++ and beyond every card type is equal. These days who legit cares about 3-3 farming everyone can do it.
Had one of my best experiences here on the NA side fighting the midget version of Ort. I went into that last fight of him blind cause i dont go out of my way knowing the mechanics. I thought it was another raid type fight since the game mentions that u can have 1 or 6 servants. So i took my 6/6/6 Bazette as i did with the initial raid not knowing. She solo'd that last fight. It was so much fun. Than i took Taira into that final Tez fight albiet not solo with the Skadi's and pretty much min turn the guy.
Players can meme on Quick all they want but man some of these Quick servants are so much fun to use.
They hate quick! Where is my supports! Where is my farmers!
Low star quick support ... Not even one
No wonder no one wants to play Quick! Its a self fullfilling prophecy
I freaked out when we got Takasugi
Yeah i agree, quick really doesnt have many hype units. Only ones i see as hype are dantes, scathach, douman, kama, and..... nvm thats it. Taigong is cool but hes kinda a bum. But i like quick because its more fun to use compared to arts which is just brain dead.
I didnt mention them because i play NA but i do also like ushi gozen and kazuradrop.
On another note, just remembered we got melt, achilles, charlamagne, taira, medusa, and alice. All cool units as well, but one thing i noticed is that the cool units like lb kings and such are usually buster or arts.
I need Skadi in my Chaldea.
Just give Achilles the power he deserves
In JP server I'm farming with a NP1 1/1/1 Melusine Summer with a Castoria 2/2/2 and Waver. Do this with a Quick servant. That's impossible.
Charlemagne most goated quick farmer 🗣️🗯️
Tlaloc!
JOYEUSE ORDRE
It’s like “MONTJOIE”!!
I will not stand for this Wandjina slander.
See they need to diverse quick and buster more for their to be a point
Kazu and bazzet is all you need
For me i like a lot quick ans buster and i can say, for units, quick have the best, for supports... Welll
I rolled for ruler skadi only cuz j wated to loop with louhi
True though you just need 1 support for arts and your set up really and quick are just for crazy solo's lol and we need more quick aoe!!!
My only real issue with how the game handles quick is that they almost always exclude quick from receiving the franchise's most popular/anticipated servants. It's problematic that community stigma downright prevents quick from getting certain servants. It's sort of a positive feedback loop where the fewer popular servants quick gets, the less players care about it. The less players care about quick, the fewer popular servants it receives.
*Looks at Melt, Kama, Dantes (both versions), and Skadis* You sure about that?
@@orga7777 "Almost always". And ofc they're popular, but not on the same level as the icons in buster/arts. I think ZTL made a very excellent example of Olga Marie having almost no chance of releasing as a quick servant.
@@orga7777 *Also looks at Summer Okita Alter too, probably the most broken AOE Quick servant ever.* Srsly, you sure about that?
@@AyaReikoTripleEliteThat's the exact point. We have some good quick servants but arts and buster are always receiving the way better servants. For every servant like Okita Alter summer for quick. we get a Ibuki summer, Spishtar, and beast Eresh for arts. As well as Arjuna Alter, Tiamat, Morgan for buster. In the time between every great quick unit we get 2+ great units for the other types.
@ She might have been slightly surpassed by Charlie after his Skill Buff, actually. But both are crazy strong units.
Hes still calling Louhi Low High, wtf, dude go ask Myst about pronounce for real!!!
I think its just you bro,
Quick doesnt have hype servants and they dont have much supports. If they buffed the quick card and let you do something with all those chit stars they would be great.
Quick has greater sustain and long term CQ capabilities compared to buster. Quick can do both strong damage due to their crits and they can NP gain very well because of those crits. Their main issues is that they take time to get going but can last much longer in tougher content
I like to throw my hat in the ring and suggest MHX alter excellent Quick single target berserker!!!
Tlaloc!
FIRST
Tlaloc!
The answer is two fold, money and quick was never "good" to begin with. Since early quick needed a MLB Kscope, DW was never going to lean into quick looping servants because most people did not have a MLB Kscope.
When Arts and Buster looping came out it was much easier to sell Arts and Buster servants because all it required was a single copy of their respective support servants to sell their loopers.
Since all the great servants are either Arts or Buster right now means that there is even less of a reason to roll for the Skadis when their banners show up. And since less people are getting Skadis there are less people to go hard on a new crazy Quick servants.
Simply put, outside of the bone they throw quick once or twice a year Lasengle will make more money off Arts and Buster servants. And since they get all the banger servants there is even less incentive for players to go quick thus creating an eternal death spiral for quick.
The sad part is that it's probably not fixable. They would need to release a multi-core friendly quick support servant followed by several crazy Quick servants to start dragging it from the dredges.
TLDR: Quick is dead, always has been and you can blame money for it.
Quick is 💤
normal okita has been one of my best servants because she just SHREDS people to pieces. i can pretty much loop with her just doing a quick combo. and i will preface this with i play stupid and use only bond up CE's