Who tapped first - Ace Frehley or EVH?!?
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- Shifty’s biggest guitar hero joins the podcast to run down his unique lead picking on the 1977 Love Gun hit.
Ace Frehley is the reason Chris Shiflett picked up a guitar in the first place, so it’s only natural that Shifty invites his original tone teacher onto the pod to recap one his iconic solos. Frehley, saddled with a classic black-and-cream triple-humbucker Les Paul, shares that “Shock Me” was the first KISS track on which he took lead vocal duty. The first time he sang it live, he remembers, was in front of 18,000 screaming fans at Madison Square Garden. As Frehley explains, that was quite a step up from how he recorded the vocals in the studio for Love Gun: lying flat on the floor on his back, racked with stage fright.
Frehley recalls that he ripped most of his solos through a dimed Marshall stack, and always on the bridge pickup. Turns out, he never went for pedals or boards because he’d trip over them onstage. “Wearing those boots?” he snorts. “Forget about it. It’s like a minefield!” His signature sauce, he says, is in the way he picks the strings: He holds his picks loose, but plucks in such a way that his thumb often hits the string at the same time, producing a sound just shy of a pinched squeal, but more spunky than a regular strike.
Frehley drops tons of golden bits of KISS history: the engineering behind his famous “smoke bomb” effect, the time he woke up in Paris with his eyes swollen shut from makeup, how he accidentally roadied for Hendrix, the shared genealogy between his technique and Eddie Van Halen’s, and which KISS member smelled the worst after shows.
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Watching Ace demonstrate his tapping technique is like watching my grandpa feed a parking meter.
This is Aces grandpa Baked 👴 Frehley lol 😆
That's funny as hell!
That would mean your patriarchal role model who didn't teach YOU respect, invented his own style of feeding meters that many imitate but cannot duplicate! And toured the world and sold 100, 000,000 units of his meter feeding! NOT!
@@LRCw32 Yeah… ok, Mongo.
@@LRCw32 As a fan of Kiss and Ace himself it's not lost on me what you're trying to say but let's face it Ace was never a great player. He was more in line with guitar players like Neil Young than anyone that should mentioned along side Eddie Van Halen. Some players are innovative and pretty awesome others just "get the job done". Again no dis-respect here. Just stating the obvious. Neil Young sold millions of records on mere average at best guitar skill, same as Ace did during his years with KISS. Not every big selling band had to have a guitar hero in it. For every Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Van Halen or Cream with and Eddie, Jimmy, Ritchie or Eric playing guitar there were many more like KISS with merely average at best players. The tough thing in this video is how we can easily see how age and lifestyle have pretty seriously taken a toll on Ace's ability to play.
I love Ace, but when he says he says he never took any lessons, i really believe him lol
Im a big Ace fan but that was a little painful to watch😅
@onionhemingway-oc1pq If you say so.
He's pissed 😂 as we say in the UK pissed is slang for drunk 😢 poor Ace don't know what day it is , this is why Tommy Thayer had to give Ace lessons in how to play his owm solos 😂
@onionhemingway-oc1pqYeah 😂👍 never ever compare yourself to EVH again , heck even when Eddie was going through his worst period with Hagar in the 00s he still played better than this poser 😂
Me too, not sure how much he practiced either.
Have to say with sadness, but Ace playing here brings pain in my head.
😂😂😂
Steve Hackett from Genesis was using tapping in songs even earlier (probably 1971 / 72 timeframe)
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Indeed
Yup
There were a black blues guitarist that did it as early as the 1920'es-30'es, I can't recall his name, but he did a couple of recordings on the old 78rpm records.
@@ErikDeMann His name was Blind Lemon Pie.
I'm about to invent it right now
😂
I remember learning the solo to Shock Me for my guitar lesson back in my second year of college back in 2021, definitely a fun one to learn and it’s one of (if not) Ace’s best solos for a reason. Dude is just ripping it and it’s fucking awesome, still one of my favourite KISS songs
Everyone gets ideas from someone else. But Eddie made it part of his style and so will be remembered for it
Billy Gibbons was doing the single tap in the early 70s. Nobody tapped like Eddie. Comparing Ace and Eddie is wild lol
Ace is on midnight special doing it in 1975
Hell yeah
Certainement un des plus mauvais guitariste de hard rock manque trop de technique il joue pareille depuis 40 ans. ET J AIME PAS LE SON
@@krasnodarvukobrat Good for you if you don't like his sound. Music & Guitar Playing is SUBJECTIVE
@@Jeff-o-Lee true
I was a child then and I remember sneaking out of bed to watch it
Wow, that was some unbelievable tapping! Ace's still got it!
Wow, that was sad to see, Ace is done, most popular KISS member.
Btw, Hackettt was tapping in the early 70's already.
Yes and Zappa as well. That was a very awful attempt by Ace though. Seems like if he doesn’t try anymore. 10,000 volts is decent though…better than KISS’s latest farewell tour…
However his popularity has never translated into record sales or headlining arenas.
@@ToneTraveler
He’s also like 100 years old… I was wondering when that happened and then looked in a mirror… oh yeah, right!
It’s coming for you too!😂
Ace handled that well...and was very humble about it...
he should be humble, he sucks at the thing he's famous for. also, he's not humble at all, so there's that.
@@OngoGablogian487your stupid comment was highly unnecessary.
There's a clip of "She" from 1975 (WAY before Gene discovered VH) where Ace is doing a nice little run of tapping at the end of the song. I could track it down if people are interested.
Yeah dude I’d be down if u find the link
@@metaphoria3 Search "she - kiss" "midnight special"
There's a perfectly good chance that EVH could've seen it when it aired.
Close your eyes and it’s Carl from Aqua Teen.
Who cares who invented tapping. All I know is that is sounds freakiin’ awesome, whoever does it!
It may be worth looking up Ollie Halsall (and maybe doing a video about him before there are none of his cohorts are all gone) and is a classic best guitarist you never heard of.
Halsall was credited as using two handed tapping in the late 60s and was also known for playing the kind of things that Alan Holdsworth later made his own.
Able to play equally well right or left handed (and guitar strung either way up) his career was probably hampered by never playing the same solo twice in a live setting.
He apparently made a good living in the session world (played the guitar parts for The Ruttles film) and also a lot for Kevin Ayres.
Loud green song rips
Ollie was a monster player! His stuff is light years ahead of everybody.
Multiple guitarists tapped long before Eddie made it stand out with his eruption solo.
And he always said "I never claimed to have invented tapping."
@luke3807 No. It was mainly Eric Clapton in Cream, plus Jimmy Page to a lesser extent. Maybe Allan Holdsworth, and for the tapping, Harvey Mandel or Jimmy Page doing his solo in "Heartbreaker" (although Jimmy wasnt tapping with two hands). Ace was not an influence that Eddie ever mentioned.
But not the way EVH refined it you putz
... As far back as Paganini.
Holy shit. He plays like a beginner in a guitar shop.
It looks like he's only been playing for a couple of months. Yikes!
@@nerdsworthpoindexter6661 yeah sad to see. Gone from great to bad. Age plays a part.
@@melodyman5005So does drugs, including pill addiction
@@JokersWild70 yeah. And that.
Yeah 😂 totally drunk 🍺
Vittorio Camardese was doing it in 1965 & no doubt guitarists before him.
Les Paul. 50s
@@castorkat4868 do you have a video link?
I dont but it was shown to me by Tommy Doyle who was Les's sound man at Irridium and close friend . It was part of a Pepsodent Toothpase commercial tha tthey used to film at Les's house im Marwah. NJ..It might be around on line somewhere
@@danjames8570
Vittorio was really really good at it too.
ruclips.net/video/u7M8L1rAUsI/видео.html
@@danjames8570 ruclips.net/video/o2lApElirAg/видео.htmlsi=CnYzDYKyu_boAh1M
The bad news is, that was terrible. The good news is that I’m now as good a guitar player as Ace Frehley! All those hours I didn’t practice have FINALLY paid off!
The other bad news is being better than Ace isn't really impressive, because that's a low bar.
@@rodbelding9523 come on, we all have bad days. I would assume his hearing isn’t what it used to be. Especially coming up in the days before we controlled decibels.
Way before Eddie, Ace,or Steve Hackett were tapping,Celedonio Romero was tapping in his work Fantasia Cubana.
... And Paganini.
I’ve never understood what Dimebag saw in that guy.
whose dimbag?
Finally, someone said it. 💯
Ace was kind of better back in the days but not even close to Eddie Van Halen. Ace needs to brush up on his tapping
yeah also I've never understood why a lot of people likes ozzy, i mean randy, jake, zack,.. were awesome, but ozzy voice is like my ass in the bathroom, what an ugly voice
Ace is so honest, he's the best guest! I love him!❤
harvey mandel was late 68. and his guitarist russell dashiel made the first superstrat in 68.
Les Paul in the 50s
Harvey Mandel experimented with tapping on his album "Shangrenade" - record from 1973. Really good record every guitarplayer should listen to.
Rory Gallagher Alvin Lee and Brian May were all doing it years before Ace was , Eddie Van Halen advanced it to a different level , No way in hell Are could play Spanish Fly for example
@@Cayres9 You don't get it. The question is who influenced Eddie? Gene discovered Van Halen and the music style is similar. It makes sense that Eddie watched them on tv or saw them live.
Ace recently said in an interview thet Tommy Thayer plays his songs perfectly with no mistakes...but Ace said he plays them the way theyre meant to be played- sloppy. 😂 I cant make this stuff up.
Lol so Ace basically said he plays sloppy on purpose. Yeah, okay Ace. That's just him admitting he sucks without actually saying that he does.
There's some merit to that. Certain styles are better sounding with a degree of imperfection. It's what I like in guys like Jimmy Page and Frank Zappa. It's just that Ace's "sloppy" and anyone else's "sloppy" are very different things. Lol
He's exactly right, that and Peter's rag tag drumming was part of Kiss's original sound . They sound very sterile and not very exciting now or they did I should say
He's said a million times that he'd cop shit for playing sloppy and his rings hitting the strings.
Tommy plays the solo's very well, probably the best immitation you will hear, but his bends and vibrato are too wide due to his low strap adjstment. His seymour duncans and Hughs kettner also sound like shit. Tommy sounded best when he first joined in 2003 when he was using Paul Stanleys Les Paul with Marshall head. comparing the Dr Love solo is the best example I can provide.
I saw an interview once where Ace told the interviewer he has no idea what he's doing. Well, he proves it here. He has no idea what he's doing.
He has an idea. He just can’t pull it off.
I think he says that just to get attention from basement dwelling losers online.
Sounds like real music is shared,hopefully expands,gets diverse. People have been using both hands on fretboards. Since way before ...a long no one stole anything.
These comments are not passing the vibe check.
Another great episode Shifty 🙌🏻😎
Buddy Holly- Evanston Ill 1958 There’s some rough audio of it floating around
ACE will always be one of my Guitar Heroes. First full song I ever learned on guitar was Hard Times... then I started getting into the older stuff Cold Gin and SHE were favorites also. With that being said, Eddie was also a classical Pianist as a kid, and using two hands on the fretboard was very naturally meant to happen so EVH could answer his own notes and ideas..... Watching ACE noodle through a couple of elementary taps here was pretty disturbing... and his picking hand has really gone to hell.... But I am now 57 years old, and his posters are still on my walls, and 10,000 Volts is very 1970's and an easy listen if you are a true fan. :)
Eddie said he got it from other guitar players, one of whom was Brian May; Brian May said he saw a guitarist from Texas doing it and flat out told him he was going to steal it, and when Brian asked the Texas guy where he got it, the guy said from Billy Gibbons.
Eddie claimed he was influenced by Jimmy Page's hammer on, which isn't the same. Personally I think he saw Ace do it. Both bands had a similar style and Gene discovered Van Halen.
Tapping as videos have shown goes way back over 75 years ago. I did see Ace use the pick to tap notes in a video of KISS in the 70's but it was likely Harvey Mandell who Eddy saw.
Les Paul in the 50s. there's a whole video where he does AMAZING tapping
Roy Smeck, a jazz player was doing it in the 1920s.These rocks guys are legends in their own minds.
@@knifelyfe6565 OK derpy derpz
Paganini.
Bill Bartlett from RAM Jam was doing it in the early 70's also there was many other guys doing it way before then
Ace makes me feel very good about my guitar skills. 😂 But I can’t complain about Ace. The guy’s a legend. I got to see him in concert back in ‘79 on their Dynasty tour, in Houston, Texas. 🎸🤘🏼👍
Why are we still talking about this....SOOOOOOOO many people have tapped before both of these guys.
ACE4EVER
My grandad, Johnny Guitarguy, was tapping back in the 1920s. True story.
lol 😅 I read the comments before and was going to try to construct an argument on why everyone’s wrong but wow that was awful.
1:54 "wait" 🤣😂😅😂
I had a mice problem but after hearing Ace "play" they moved onto greener more sonic pastures.....
I'm literally dead 😂
😂
Ace tapped a few beers. Nothing else
Few Snowballs too coke and heroin lol 😂
Saw KISS 1975 in San Francisco and Ace tapped that Time and Eddie couldn't 1976. Enough said!
Steve Hackett of Genesis was tapping in 1971.
Love Ace, but he needs to practice a wee bit…
That WAS with practice. 🤣
He’s so honest and he doesn’t really care about all that anyway
Just saw some guy doing it on an acoustic... Vittorio Camardese finger tapping in 1965 brings it up.
Didn't Harvey Mandell do it before either one of them?
A body bashed by the addiction of the past. A soul of a kid that still plays and still marvels and gives a fuck about who invented what... a humble heroe !
He keeps on tapping, and the guitar keeps screaming "WRONG HOLE". Alas, he doesn't listen.
Have another beer Ace.🥴
I thought he was having a stroke.
There are guys tapping on classical in 1965 with footage on youtube. Look up Vittorio Camardese two hand tapping. It might look old to us but it is just a decade before Eddie is out playing live doing it. And I mean advanced two finger stuff, very fast lines, running scales, doing cool chord arrangements, etc. Eddie wasn't tapping and tapping wasn't Eddie. Eddie was just great and happened to tap. If he hadn't he'd still be Eddie Van Halen and some random could have tapped everything and be forgotten. He was a creative and very musical and had an incredible swing feel AND he was in a pop band so lots of people heard him. That is why we like Eddie. The guy above I mention....he tapped. Is excellent. He is not in a big pop band. No one knows him.
both Ace and Eddie are punks.
Vittorio Camardese developed his own two-handed tapping in the early 1960s, and demonstrated it in 1965 during an Italian television show. Tapping was occasionally employed by many 1950s and 1960s jazz guitarists such as Barney Kessel
Hahaha, that "punk" Ace and Kiss sold over 100 million records worldwide... while that "punk" Eddie and Van Halen sold over 80 million worldwide. No one cares who did what first.
Dr. James Naismith played basketball first, but Michael Jordan did it way better than him.
@@SaberToothGary obviously whoever made this video cares about who did the tapping first. but they didn't do their homework, did they.
Ace is a shit guitarist so I won't argue with you there, but Eddie was top notch.
@@rodbelding9523 of course Eddie was top-notch. and definitely i shouldn't have called either of them a punk. my beef was with this video which made up a phony issue of "who did the tapping first" when in fact it was neither of them.
That doesn’t make em punks tho
Joe Perry (Aerosmith) was tapping on Get Your Wings, released in 1974. Listen to Train Kept a Rollin'.
Rory Gallagher, Alvin Lee , Brian May , Allan Holdsworth etc were doing it in the late 60s early 70s
@tkevin. That is not Joe Perry playing lead guitar on that track. Look it up.!
@@raymorrow170 Session guitarist Steve Hunter was called in to replace Joe Perry and Brad Whitford's lead lines , how embarrassing must that be ? Calling in a session guitarist to play on your own album ? but the Kinks did it with Jimmy Page and George Harrison got Clapton many times on the Beatles tracks as well like for example while my guitar gently weeps.
@tchristine. That's right honey. We did our homework.! Where's Kevin.? Just kidding Kevin. LOL.!
@@raymorrow170 🤣👍 he's left the building
"as far as I can remember... I think I just came up with it" 😂hahaha
Frank Zappa was doing the side of the pick tapping technique in the 60’s live. Probably wasn’t the first. Same with EVH; he may have been the first STAR to tap, but surely there was tapping before EVH. He did perfect the technique though. Now there are thousands of kids playing like Vai on RUclips. Every generation learns from the last.
Check out the Winterland video of Cold Gin…Ace is clearly doing the hammer on’s and tapping in the solo…ACE 🏆
EVH did not invent taping. Django Rheinhardt did. In rock it was Alvin Lee in 1969. The vid is on YT, somewhere.
Steve Hackett. Even Eddie said that many many many times.
Steve Hackett, Billy Gibbons, Jimmy Page, Hendrix, etc. There are many examples of guitarists tapping one way or another. Eddie just took it to another level.
There is video of ace doing it in 1975
There was a guy tapping in 1965....
Ace inspired more people to play probably than almost anybody
Steve Hackett of Genesis was tapping in 1971 before Kiss or Van Halen had even formed.
No biggie, EVH is a massive player. Ace in his day was really awesome. I really like Ace just saying the truth.
My lord , and to think I was influenced back in the 70 ‘s
Listening to this makes me think my own playing isn't so bad
Dicky Dale in the 50’s, and he’s a lefty, was tapping. EVH perfected it.
Ah i forgot about him he was very good guitarist 👍
Everybody knows Ace TOTALLY invented tapping. Just like everybody knows that I invented the 69 position. Lessons start Monday, ladies. No lessons for you dudes though, cause that would be… Never mind. Anyhoo, Play guitar, crank the Foo, tap beaver and munch clam til your jaw breaks, my friends!
What did I just watch? It was like watching a person trying to play guitar for the first time lol.
Nobody "stole it" from anybody.
Eddie revolutionized it and Incorporated it into his playing it became HIS signature.
Steve Vai did it at certain times in certain solos like any other licks. the list goes on and on.
That's what's great about guitarist. Aside from "tapping"
You can tell when it's Ace
You can tell when it's Eddie
You can tell when it's Johnny Thunders.
You can tell when its Steve Vai
Ace Frehley could never ever compare to EVH. Eddie is in whole other league. For Ace to make this claim is crazy.. 😂
Ace is still one of my favorite guitarist. While it is sad to see that his playing ability has went downhill when he was at his best, he was pretty awesome. With that said, while Eddie didn't come up with tapping, even he admits that, he perfected and will forever be the Shredi Master. Nobody in the history of guitar playing created an entire decade of clones of themselves like Eddie. That alone proves he's king of the mountain.
They didn't invent tapping. I invented it in 2019
hahahahahahahaha
That’s weird because I invented it tomorrow 😂
That you Gene Simmons ?
He’s serious.
Django rhinehart
Ace is a class act
Eddie wrote music tapping. Nobody else did that.
Not true but he popularized it
this is me 15-16 years ago learning to tap on guitar
It's clear Ace did it first. Listen how clean and precise this is. Eddie would never get it this tight and clean
lmao nice
Gene didn't discover vanhalen. He was looking to replace you.
Gene "discovered" VH and invented tapping LOL
Gene produced their first album, then put his money on Piper, instead.
Ace may have done it well before EVH, but EVH made it awesome and it became HUGE. Steve Hackett was doing it well before both of them.
Ace was doing one hand pull offs back in 74 like Angus Young & Jimmy Page. Eddie said the idea for him started with seeing Page do it live one handed back in 71 & it developed from there. I think if he saw Ace do two handed even with a pick Eddie would have said it.
Brian may did tapping on Queens News of the World Album and before then and is a much better guitarist than Drunk Ace lol 🤣
Hearing him say " he perfected it.." yeah.. im no eddie fan but yeah, he did perfect the shit out of that shit.
Brian May & Billy Gibbons did some tapping on "News of the World" and "Tres Hombres,"
that preceded the MIGHTY Edward.
Ace's tapping on Alive 2 was more like a cool effect/noise, in my opinion (not here, though).
Harvey Mandel started it. 1973 Shangrenade Album. Did it in 1968 at Whiskey a go go per Ritchie Blackmore.
Starwood club in the 70’s George Lynch says he and EVH watched Mandel do this. Slower and not like EVH did though.
Terry Kilgore (EVH’s bud) both from Pasadena, learned it from Harvey, as Terry was a guitar teacher, so he called him up and asked him how he did it then showed Eddie.
Terry taught Chris Holmes from WASP. Chris Holmes was painting Mandels house, in ‘74-‘75, Holmes didn’t know him, but saw all the gold records on the wall. Holmes met the wife, and Terry asked Chris, can you ask him if I can meet him. So they met and Terry learned tapping from him and showed Eddie. A month later, EVH was doing it.
Some say EVH took lessons from Terry. David Lee Roth said Terry WAS Eddie, before Eddie.
Les Paul did it in the 50s
Yeah, everyone had a version of it. Even this guy, 1965:
ruclips.net/video/u7M8L1rAUsI/видео.htmlsi=sExOhCb5Ul1j_6_q
Ace doing it in 1975 on the Midnight Special playing “She”. Check it about 5:40. He might not be the most technically gifted as many are saying here, but he had style, a unique sound, and is a legend. Still out there touring and having fun. ruclips.net/video/rRXx5hfk58M/видео.htmlsi=z41aUrgWd4MMSFBh
I love Ace and when someone watches him down front i believe he's gonna grab Idea's and if you asked EVH to play say "I was made for lovin you" solo it would be the shits cuz it would sound like a EVH solo with a million more notes...B.B. King doesn't tap would be ridiculous
Eddie perfected it and made the guitar talk. Ace is a menace.
He sounded exactly like me...when I'd been playing for a day with two broken wrists.
Who tapped BETTER.
Here is a shocker- it was done before either one of these guys
Holy funkin hell!!!
Ace was doing it in 1975.
Are we talking about tapping, or right hand hammer-ons? They're two different things. EVH didn't invent either. He openly admitted that numerous times. He just progressed on it like no one else.
That was terrible. I don't think Eddie copied that.
I invented giving up on the guitar and having somebody else play it for me.
I loved Aces guitar playing back in the day. But the Rock n Roll life style has taken its toll on him.The guitar tapping thing goes way back before Ace and EVH. Old blues players where tapping long before these guys.
Page did on heartbreaker 69 but also never claimed he started it
Ace has great vibrato. Very musical. And, he uses it in different ways.
Also people, Ace is 72 so, easy on the hating.
The lead guitarist of Yes did it years before either of them
Sammy Davis Jr. started Tapping in the 1930's! Way before Eddie or Ace! #Runnin' with Bojangles!