Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department Theories
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Recently, Taylor Swift announced her next studio album, "The Tortured Poets Department," and shared the cover and a cryptic message. Let's Talk about it.
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I hope you will react to Lover before this album because I just know that there will be references
agree
Taylor swift gets to much hate. They don't have to be a fan of her music. But going out of there way to hate on her is beyond pathetic.
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Yeah.... I literally don't say I am a swiftie in my workplace so that PPL don't hate me n effect my career lol
@taniyadutta8 if people hate you for being a swifie that's there problem not yours. They are childish
@@ben0789 I know so I say it proudly everywhere like no one's business but not at work 😬 9to5 workers need to fit in for survival 🥲
The haters are definitely Loud-but they don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. The amount of love she receives from people all around the world is enormous- hopefully big enough to drown out the noise of those who need to complain about someone. Shallow people will never understand her anyway.
Just wanted to say “So Long, London” is going to be a heavy-hitter because Joe is from London (Taylor has a song about him called “London Boy” on the Lover album)… literally nobody is ready! 😭
Plus it's Track 5 😢which we know from history is always a heavy hitter. 😢
Fortnight is 14 days/two weeks. Usually used by Europeans like those in London. Fortnite is the game. People theorize that Midnights was, as described by Taylor, based on 13 sleepless nights...so Fortnight is the 14th day dawning after those 13 nights.
Taylor cried during Eras Tour while singing 'Lover' (of all songs) in Florida. I'm guessing something must've happened while she was there
I believe it was because she had just broken up with Joe Alwyn
You've gotta do Reputation and Lover, which are mostly about Joe Alwyn. DO IT NOW before April. We presume Midnights is MORE about Joe Alwyn nowadays than when it was originally released. So add that to the mix IF you have time. Hurry! DO TORTURED POETS WITH US IN APRIL!
Regarding the short amount of time left, what might work in your favour for the remaining albums is that there is not a whole ton of extra content beside the album and music videos. Due to Covid, there was the ocassional award show performance and video interviews, but it is by no means as excessive as the 1989 content you're currently plowing through where she was promoting it like crazy. Those albums won't have a long list of vault tracks either, so timing wise you might be able to pull it off. All things aside I would advise to continue chonologically, seeing as the relationship with Joe will span from Lover through Midnights and will most certainly be revisited on TTPD.
It’s a tough call. I do think this album will pickup where midnights left off and be about a breakdown and then breakup of a relationship and all of the albums you haven’t listened to yet could provide a lot of context. There aren’t as many interviews or live performances with rep/folklore/evermore (besides rep tour and long pond and I know youve seen those already) so maybe you’ll naturally get to it in time?
As far as order, I think the timeline is important, although, you could pull Folklore and Evermore out and go from Lover to Midnights. They are important, but not necessarily in order. A lot of people listen to those first and then go back and do the rest of the catalog in order. I do think Reputation to Lover to Midnights to TTPD will be a very important progression.
Folklore and Evermore have a few in there that are personal, she just hid it a bit better but I think in particular Invisible string, peace, hoax, the lakes, champagne problems, gold rush, tolerate it, long story short (I’ve probs missed some) all contain pivotal insights into what she was experiencing personally. I’m not buying the “stories of fictional characters” angle on every song.
@@carolla_michelleyea nah tbh i feel like folklore is insanely personal😭
I think you’re ok to listen to TTPD with everyone and then go back to listening in order. Sure there may be a few references you don’t get, but good music and good lyrics are what they are! You wont need to know all the taylor lore to enjoy *any* of her music.
Plus, realistically, you’ll get more viewership if you put TTPD reactions out as the album comes out! Which means more people watching when you get back on track to listening in order :-)
If anything it’ll be a peek at what’s to come as far as her progression! Just my advice… enjoy :)
As much as I would love your reaction to this when it comes out, I feel like if the content of this album is what we think it might be, then I believe you'll enjoy it TTPD more if you have all the historical context both of her stylistic evolution and her diaristic story telling.
But I will be eagerly awaiting all reactions regardless of what order you choose! You do still have 2 months to catch up 🕛😂
While I would love to experience this with you as soon as it comes out, I feel like, for you, chronological order is going to be pretty important. This album is almost certainly going to reference songs and storylines from reputation, Lover, Midnights, and even Folklore and Evermore. To get the full picture and appreciation, you should hear those first.
I say react, enjoy, and listen when the album is released, just pay close attention to the lyrics so when you go back to Lover/Midnights, some things will click and you'll be like oh that was referring to this, etc.
if you can get through reputation and lover, you will probably be pretty well set up for call backs and references. then go back to the others.
I do think you at least need to go Midnight to Tortured Poets because I truly believe there will be tie ins to both albums. There is a possibility she may reference things she has already sang about in a previous album that you have not yet reacted to and it will be harder to understand without that extra layer of knowledge
loml is short for “love of my life”
I like the idea of the meaning of the acronym changing throughout the song. Like love of my life, loss of my life, lie of my life.
That makes A LOT of sense as to why she left the title of that track an acronym.@@cynthiavalencia724
When is the 1989 reaction coming? 😊
Hi Jim!
Just giving you my two cents here on your dilemma. Just enter the hype train and do the new album as soon as it’s release. It’s almost a rite of passage for any converted swiftie, and by now, you should know that you are one. 😂
Welcome aboard, my friend. It’s gonna be a wild ride
You need to hear midnights and lover to get the new album 😢
Hi Jim! I’ll keep an eye out for the Patreon poll. I feel like either option would be fine. Maybe see where you are in your journey once we get closer to April 19?
Florida is the first state she played after her breakup with Joe 👀
not the breakup itself but the news of it i guess
@@ameeraabdullah2899 true!
And she played 3 nights I believe.
@@liz10988 the plot thickens
your wife is gorgeous
I think 2 month is a fair time to experience what you have left from Taylor's albums which is not alot.
He does a lot of interviews and live performances before he delves into the next era. Like we still haven’t left 1989 on patreon, he’s also looking to revisit reputation before lover so. It takes a while to get through all the content when he’s going so in depth within the eras! I hope he catches up before then too but it’s highly unlikely unless he compromises his experience.
I don't know why, but I can't picture Taylor releasing a greatest hits album
Because it would be huge? 😊
For me... evermore is the greatest hits😂
The tracklist looks absolutely insane, i gasped when i first saw it. And it made me even more excited for the album, it has the potential to be something truly special.
Hi Jim, I think you do need to listen to lover and midnights in order to understand what could happen in next álbum. You can leave Evermore for later, because aa you said it's the sister of folklore and regardless having some personal stuff, it's more of a stories álbum. Midnights and lover are very personal albums.
10:06 The Tortured Poets Society... the amount of times I've called this album exactly that. Or simply Dead Poets Society 😂😂😂
I think it's not a bad idea to listen to TTPD next, tbh. You can definitely react to the music and lyrics without the whole picture. But I read a comment that said to listen to Lover first. And if you're interested in getting a bit of an insight into her six-year relationship before TTPD (since it's heavily implied the new album is about that breakup), then, I think that might be a better idea! You can listen to Lover in March, then TTPD in April!
So excited for this album and your reaction! But I think going in chronological order is best for understanding each album. I know you don’t wanna invest in the drama and that’s totally fine. But since Taylor has been with her ex boyfriend for such a long time and writing about him in so many songs and albums, this is probably going to be the „final“ one. Especially with So Long, London. I thinks it’s gonna be interesting for you to react to Lover etc and TTPD so up close, maybe you can see more parallels :)
But either way I love your dedication and constructive feedback on the reaction videos! 🤍🫶🏻✨
Its like listening to the music for the first time again ☺️
I think you should listen to Lover, Evermore and Midnights before listening to this album.
Im so excited i feel like this is folklore and midnights daughter lol
Definitely enjoy it in real time with us.
I think you should continue in chronological order. I think there are going to be a lot of references from her past 4 albums from when she was with Joe. Maybe you can to react and reflect on others' theories until you are able to get to the album?
loml = love of my life
well...normally I would say, just f it and react to it, but since this is a Joe album and this situation has been apparently brewing over some time, I think that in this album there will be many references to the previous work she has done over the past 7 years since she started dating Joe and it would be a shame to miss some of them. so I think it would be wise to listen to Lover, you say you heard folklore, evermore, then the song Renegade co-written by Taylor which seems really important now, Midnights and the song The Alcott, where Taylor has written the bridge
Clara Bow was a silent movie actress, the "it girl" in the 1920s who earned a ton of successful accolades AND unnecessary hate. Pretty relatable I'd say!
9:01 loml means "love of my life"
Well, the whole point is seeing your initial reaction the second you start listening to the songs for the first time. So either way, you are still going to be a new listener. But I would suggest you keep going in order. You need the whole complete story.
What if there's some stuff in the new album that will go over your head, like a tiny detail about something, and you missed it? As much as I would love to hear your thoughts and reaction to the new album, it would bum me out if you didn't get what she meant in the song and you're still once again confused and now have to end up looking up the info on that song.
Nope. Keep going with the way you've been doing things Jim. It will be rewarding for us to see that light bulb go off in your head lol.
Excited and curious about this whole album. Wondering if “Florida!!!” is a reference to Eras Tour Tampa Night 3 when Taylor performed Mad Woman and Mean in what could’ve been a message about the damage done, including to women, by certain policies in FLA.
Could “Fresh Out the Slammer” be a reference to Reputation? (“and he could be my jailer, Burton to this Taylor…”)?
Alchemy - the Medieval belief that base metals could be transformed into gold. Taylor wrote about love being golden during her 6 year relationship that ended last year, so there’s quite a bit of theorizing about her writing about her possible tendency toward poetic alchemy.
Also, the midnights clock choker Taylor wore looks very much like one seen in a photo of old Hollywood actress Clara Bow that’s been making the rounds since this track list was released.
3:49 yeah I want TTPD to be the third sister of folklore and Evermore 😭
Her significant other of 6 years is British, and they shared a home in London is my understanding...before they broke off their relationship.
Honestly chronological order is going to make more sense for you. I have a feeling this next one is going to be very vulnerable with the end of her relationship and you need to know the backstory which spans from rep all the way thru midnights.
I think the clock was set to midnight in ref to the album that was nominated. I'm pretty sure... feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
She was dating “guys” in London, she was dating Joe Alwyn for 6 years. He is from London.
Check out Tea with Bree she does a rundown of the album of each track and possible references to each song. I agree her outfit is Black and White reference, her necklace has to do with the Eras tour bought and release by Disney March 15th. Possible twin album to reputation who knows. Or a close release date (two weeks). The Fortnite hidden meaning is 2 weeks.
Her outfit resembles Clara Bow ....with reference of similarities between the two. She gave up her career for a man she loves. Also, speculation the song but Daddy I love him could reference The Little Mermaid....losing your voice for thinking you want something that's better but turns out isn't etc.
All I know is I can't wait to hear this new album. & Reputation TV. Exciting.
Check out Tea with Bree.
I also watched the tarot reading from Aphrodite...he said this new album is what Midnight's was supposed to be. She went softer on Midnight's than she wanted & that this is left over what she wanted to do with that album. Take that how you want to.
LOML is Love of my Life
Your wife is so beautiful! 🥰
The title also is a play from her ex Joe's Watsapp group he had with 2 other actors that was called The tortured men's club! 😳
React to lover first pls
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I just lost my shit when this happened
L.o.m.l i think it's love of my life
This cover is so 90
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My Theories
What if TTPD ventures into politics & "FLORIDA!!!" is about gender and sexual Identity/ women's rights/ autonomous decisions & the repressive state where "THE SMALLEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED" lives - hence "WHOS AFRAID OF LITTLE ME"
The innocence of childhood, the magic of Disney, power of inspirational women, and of course poetry. Two is a recurring theme.
Side A
Fortnight (feat. Post Malone): Prequel to “The One”, inclusive of the sp. variations Childhood sleepovers/ Fort Night, video game, & Winter & Spring breaks ( 2 weeks)
The Tortured Poets Department: (26 letters/2)
My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys: Benjamin Button
Down Bad: Football, Brads And Dads
Side B
So Long, London
But Daddy I Love Him: Disney Vs. Desantis (HB1557 March 2022) Little Mermaid
Fresh Out the Slammer: Rebound Love with nothing left to give
Florida!!! (Florence + the Machine)
Side C
Guilty as Sin?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?: Virginia Woolf (13) book “Orlando” about gender as a love letter to Vita Sackville-West
I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)
loml: Not by Celine Dion
Side D
I Can Do It With a Broken Heart: Inspirational Empowerment
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived
The Alchemy: The Magic of Love/ Passion/ Disney
Clara Bow: The “IT” Girl, Roaring 20’s (tossing pennies)
The Manuscript: Emily Dickinson
Side A Side B Side C Side D??? a disc has two sides. this has to be 2 discs. And they must be long songs. take a look at the last track 'Manuscript'
You know I was wondering that same thing. I would love so extra long tracks.
if you wanna know more about the theories of the album but more specifically the tracklist I recommend on your own time watching ruclips.net/video/ArZiWG1FMJo/видео.html they really know their stuff about Taylor and I can't even explain... just highly recommend you watch!
oh my god they are brilliant you have too
I feel like a lot of people forget she has another B&W album cover.... reputation? My theory goes, reputation was, while clapping back at the media & Kanye (rightfully so), was her falling in love with Joe. Lover was her being totally and completely in love with Joe, Midnights was her falling out of love with Joe, and TTPD is her being broken by him/done with him. So my theory about the sound of the album is that it'll be a sonically cohesive mixture of those 4 albums. I understand why everyone immediately thinks folklore, which when I first saw the album cover folklore did pop in my head, but to me theres something different. I also just hope in general that it's not a 'folklore/evermore' sounding album. While I love those albums and they have some of my favorite TS songs on them, sonically they aren't my favorite. Sonically. Also, I think "Dear Reader" is a 'lead in' or transition to this album as it was the last song on 'Midnights'. And, I personally don't see Post Malone on a 'folklore/evermore' sounding track. Also when you really look at the album title's font, it feels like a softer/muddier 'reputation' font. I also read somewhere the album was labeled as 'synth-pop' which who knows if true or not. One thing I do hope for on this album, is the return of Max Martin & Shellback for at least some of the tracks as well as some new producers. Honestly getting a bit tired of Jack's production. To me, its became lackluster and a little empty sounding which he fills the 'emptiness' with strong bass. My dream would be for this album to have a soft-rock/pop vibe to it. If Jack is again the main producer on this album (which he probably will be ) I just feel it'll sound like a subdued "Midnights" which I already feel the production of that album could've been better. I do like Jack, but how do you go from something so epic and big like "Out Of The Woods" "I Wish You Would" & "Getaway Car" to pretty much all of his current work (with Taylor). I prefer "Midnights" Live over the album versions of the songs performed on The Eras Tour so much more. But regardless of production, genre, sound of the album, Lyrically, I think it's gonna hit HARD. You also gotta think, If she adds this album or new "era" to the end of The Eras Tour, It has to have some sort of 'finale' type sounding songs. Like she very well could add it in the tour before the "Midnights" era, but I dont feel like that'd make much sense. And if she does add a TTPD Era to the Tour after "Midnights", My theory is or idea for what she'd do to shorten the "Midnights" Era would be to Shorten Lavender Haze, Cut Midnight Rain & incorporate the outfit change in some other way, Keep Vigilant Shit in full, Bejeweled in full, cut Mastermind, then shorten Karma. At least thats how I'd do it. Guess we'll see when the first show is performed after the album releases! I just feel theres no way she won't, (or can't) include the new album once it's released in the Eras Tour as its own era (like instead of just doing new songs during the acoustic set). Because I don't see her doing a "The Tortured Poets Department Stadium Tour" next year since The Eras Tour literally doesn't end till December of this year then next year is when she's supposed to start writing/directing her new film for Searchlight (film studio). Last thing, I feel there's no way (and obviously I could be wrong) that she's going to end The Eras Tour without having released rep tv and debut tv. Like idk I feel like thats part of why she added the additional US dates at the end of the year plus the Canadian dates in December.
Jack is doing a country album with Lana this year. Jack is an amazing producer and I feel he can do anything. I think in Midnights, Taylor was letting Jack be Jack, as its the only album the 2 of them have done mostly themselves. I think TTDS will be a completely new sound, possibly old school with the "noir" look and tracks like "Clara Bow"--20s and 30s actress.
I do agree he's an amazing producer, I just personally didn't care for some of the choices he's made, sonically, on some of Taylor's recent work. Like OOTW is one of my favorite Taylor songs. But yeah I do hope this new album has a new sound to it. @@jkmacrunnel
@@SwiftZilla Got it, I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, here's hoping to some new sounds!
You should just hurry up and get through all the albums before Tortured Poets comes out. Problem solved.
too much speculation, not enough research...
You already have 3 more albums left (lover, evermore, midnights) maybe skip evermore and then come back to listen to it after TTPD because go from evermore to midnights is kinda disappointed with the lyrics 😭
also lover has no vault tracks and tour so you can finish that album with just 3 videos
For that album title, Lana del rey has to do something with it.
I think you should follow your journey chronologically to get the full picture 🫶🏼🤍