What is a Cadential 6-4? - Music Theory

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  • @MusicMattersGB
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    @zinablebeatz8857 4 года назад +61

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    • @MusicMattersGB
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    @moksh8 4 года назад +10

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  • @randolphmitchell6851
    @randolphmitchell6851 4 года назад +7

    The cadential terminology presented here is a bit different from what I learned in the US: a *perfect authentic cadence* is a I or i chord that has the lowest and highest voice ending on the tonic (and generally some implications for how those voices reach the tonic); an *imperfect authentic cadence* has the highest voice end on a 3rd or 5th above a tonic; an *evaded cadence* has the lowest voice on the third, so a I6 in the US or a 1b in the UK; and a *half cadence* is a V or V7 when it ends a phrase or period. A *deceptive cadence* uses the vi instead of a I at the end of a phrase. A *cadential six-four* is always a *dominant* chord with accented dissonant 4 and and 6 tones descending to 3 and 5 respectively. It's really a third inversion I chord followed by a V. In the terminology I learned, any other six four would just be called that, not a cadential six-four.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +4

      Cadences are described differently between the US and European systems. Re the Cadential 6-4 it rather depends on whether we are considering a 6-4 5-3 progression mid-phrase (which would then not be cadential) or whether it is placed at a cadence point. A 6-4 5-3 that progresses lc-V at a cadence creates an Imperfect cadence; a 6-4 5-3 that progresses lVc-l at a cadence creates a Plagal cadence. In that sense they are both 6-4 5-3 progressions and are both cadential. Some sources describe the 6-4 as a double appoggiatura onto the following chord and therefore consider the 6-4 as a dissonance requiring resolution but the 6-4 is actually a chord in it’s own right so it’s difficult to justify the 6-4 as a dissonance.

  • @KalpaHettiarachchi
    @KalpaHettiarachchi 4 года назад +13

    thx a lot ..really great lesson

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @grzegorzfijak3374
    @grzegorzfijak3374 11 месяцев назад +1

    My dad couldn't find a good teacher online, but now he found you he can't stop watching these videos because I play piano grade 5. Also why is it 6-4 not 4-6?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  11 месяцев назад

      That’s great. We always state the highest number first.

  • @harrietschack4873
    @harrietschack4873 4 года назад +1

    That´s the first time where I can see how wonderful the figured base shows the melodic movement. That makes playing so much easier. Thank you so much for this eureka moment.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +1

      That’s great. We too often regard Figured Bass solely as harmonic information but it very often supplies melodic information, especially in relation to suspensions.

  • @SilverWolf941
    @SilverWolf941 Год назад

    So based off of reading the comments and watching the video I'd like to re-summarize the last two examples of this video:
    1.Both in the key of D Major.
    2.The 1c to 5: D Maj 2nd inv. to A Maj (V of D). [Imperfect Cadence].
    3.The 4c to 1: G Maj 2nd inv. (open voicing) to D Maj. [Plagal Cadence].
    The Terms:
    a = Root
    b = 1st inv.
    c = 2nd inv.

  • @k.j.8798
    @k.j.8798 4 года назад +2

    Great lesson as always! Allthough I know most of the theory you speak about in your videos, I really enjoy them. Continue with this simple style!

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +1

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  • @dusck3296
    @dusck3296 3 года назад

    Thanks!

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

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  • @huwjonesmusic
    @huwjonesmusic 3 года назад +1

    I'm doing a BA(Mus), occasionally I hit stuff I don't understand but probably should! So I've been coming here and it answers my (no so) stupid questions everytime. Thank you!

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @tomkirvin4571
    @tomkirvin4571 4 года назад +3

    Very useful and well-taught! Thx.

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @paolaandrade8384
    @paolaandrade8384 4 года назад +2

    Thank you so much for this great lesson!
    I'm so excited, I can finally understand cadences and harmony!!

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @mattcadence
    @mattcadence 2 года назад

    You have a great delivery. Thank you for your succinct explanation.

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  • @oliver_howes_
    @oliver_howes_ 4 года назад +1

    Great lesson, thanks so much for making this available! Would you possibly be able to make a video on the passing 6/4, and 6/3 progression? Again, your channel is a very good resource, thanks!

  • @callformusic2428
    @callformusic2428 4 года назад +1

    I have really learned so many important things from this video...it would certainly force me not to miss your upcoming as well as other existing video..... Love from India 🇮🇳

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @sooyun692
    @sooyun692 2 года назад

    thank you so much for this video ! i got selected to teach this for my ap music theory class as a grade and i was relatively confused until i watched this ! now everything makes sense now

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @Solomon.Y_Music
    @Solomon.Y_Music 4 года назад +3

    All the videos are amazing wonderful ❤️ good teaching 👍❤️

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @maggiema4570
    @maggiema4570 3 года назад

    Thank you so much for your kindness to share the knowledge. Great teaching, I engage and understood the materials.
    Learn so much from your video.

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @vickyvey1657
    @vickyvey1657 3 года назад

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  • @machaggis_
    @machaggis_ 2 года назад

    Thank you. My teacher's explanation flew a bit over my head and our time was limited. This video gave me the insight I need to make my exercises.

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @leelemperle
    @leelemperle 2 года назад

    Great tutorial! Thanks a ton for your help!! :)

  • @pedambr199
    @pedambr199 4 года назад

    this video helped me
    thanks for the upload

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  • @franaddeo6539
    @franaddeo6539 4 года назад

    Thank you for another great lesson.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

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  • @ghjraitv
    @ghjraitv 4 года назад

    The lesson is great! Thankyou so much.

  • @patrickcunningham618
    @patrickcunningham618 4 года назад +1

    as concise as could be! :)

  • @elalexillo
    @elalexillo 3 года назад

    wow, thanks!! what a simple way to explain it!!!

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @melanievilla8653
    @melanievilla8653 10 месяцев назад

    Thank u so much! Very interesting video, very clear and I enjoy a lot how u explain the theory
    Greetings from Costa Rica 🌺

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @lisasexammusicoriginalcomp5861
    @lisasexammusicoriginalcomp5861 4 года назад +2

    thank you :) how does the passing 6-4 work??

    • @nirmalcd9410
      @nirmalcd9410 4 года назад +1

      As the name suggest we use it to pass from one chord to another, but the passing 6-4 chord doesn't really serve it's corresponding Harmonic function.
      For Eg : I V6-4 I6 ( V64 is used as passing chord from I to I6 )
      Hopes it's clear ☺️

    • @lisasexammusicoriginalcomp5861
      @lisasexammusicoriginalcomp5861 4 года назад

      @@nirmalcd9410 thanks

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +2

      Most common uses of the passing 6-4:-
      Vc used between l and lb; lc used between lV and lVb.

  • @clailai7865
    @clailai7865 3 года назад

    I wish I discover your channel earlier, your explanation is so much more clear than my theory teacher.... but now my exam is on next Saturday.....

    • @MusicMattersGB
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  • @lilyazen1901
    @lilyazen1901 4 года назад +1

    Very good teaching thank you! 🙏🏻😊💗

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

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  • @johnharrington5773
    @johnharrington5773 Год назад

    Hello again! Another great video! There’s a somewhat common chord progression in classical. It may be considered a cadence and I’m trying to find the name for it and I was wondering if you knew. bVI, i 6/4, V/V 6/3, V, i

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  Год назад

      Obviously that concludes with a perfect cadence. The rest is a colourful approach that works well. The V/V is a secondary dominant.

  • @Whatismusic123
    @Whatismusic123 2 года назад +1

    A 6-4 cadence often has all the upper notes leap to the notes of the V chord. 8 leaps to 3, 6 leaps to 8, or, often takes a step to 7, and 4 takes a step to 5 or leaps to 7.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  2 года назад

      That can happen but it’s the exception to the norm.

  • @ericrakestraw664
    @ericrakestraw664 2 года назад

    Three more examples of a cadential 6/4 in the piano music to end the video at 10:38, 10:46, and 10:50.

  • @reisingerpiano
    @reisingerpiano 7 месяцев назад

    Hi, thank you for all these wonderful theory lessons! I do have one question, near the end of the lecture you mentioned that on the first example it would go from a I C to a five. On the second example, you said it would go from a IVC to a one. I am confused as to what the C means?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  7 месяцев назад +1

      a = root position
      b = first inversion
      c = second inversion

  • @pianisthemant
    @pianisthemant 4 года назад +2

    Hello Sir, I didn't understand the meaning of IC(one C) and IVC (4C). Is C stands for cadential?🙂

    • @markchapman6800
      @markchapman6800 4 года назад +3

      c = second inversion, i.e. the fifth of the chord in the bass, as b would be first inversion, i.e. the third of the chord in the bass, and a (which is not used explicitly) would be root position.

    • @pianisthemant
      @pianisthemant 4 года назад +2

      @@markchapman6800 Thank you very much.. 😊

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +3

      Absolutely. 😀

    • @pianisthemant
      @pianisthemant 4 года назад +1

      @@MusicMattersGB 😁😁
      C for second inversion, B for first and A for root...😊

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      😀

  • @pacopersia
    @pacopersia Год назад

    Hello and many thanks for this and all the lessons you make available in youtube. I browsed your website and I was unable to find a course to prepare student for grade 6 exam…is such course not available?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  Год назад +1

      Is that Grade 6 Theory or Piano?

    • @pacopersia
      @pacopersia Год назад

      @@MusicMattersGB great 6 theory

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  Год назад +1

      If you go to www.mmcourses.co.uk look for our Advanced Theory course. This offers all the teaching you need for grades 6-8 Theory. It’s all the same agenda but it’s useful to grasp the threads thoroughly then you can try some grade 6 past papers and you’ll be all set.

  • @luisholsten295
    @luisholsten295 4 года назад

    What does the 'c' next to the Roman numerals stand for?

  • @thetoothlesssage6763
    @thetoothlesssage6763 4 года назад

    Coming from a limited background in music here so forgive me please. I've watched a few lessons on this material and I'm wondering what the modern day benefit of this knowledge translates to? Is it just a recognition of these particular structures and their uses (AKA - inversions at particular spots) or is this an in practice way I might find modern music written? They ,make sense to me, thank you for the excellent videos for that, but I have not seen this topic before nor I have I seen it used in score (again, limited background).

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      It’s simply to explain a common chord progression that has been in use for the past 400 years and is still being used today. It also highlights one of the particularly useful places in which to use a second inversion chord.

    • @thetoothlesssage6763
      @thetoothlesssage6763 4 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB OK thanks for the quick reply. I had a sense that was it but wanted to be sure. It definitely helps to understand. As I said, limited background but never seen this topic before today. Thanks again!

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      😀

  • @Voidermusic
    @Voidermusic 2 года назад

    What's the difference between C 6-4 and Fmaj in 2nd inversion?

  • @ljl451
    @ljl451 3 года назад

    What confuses me about the figured bass notation is that it is used in two different ways.
    For example, you could say "C 6/4" as in the example you show here at the beginning.
    But the same chord is also the second inversion of F major and hence sometimes it is referred as "F major in 6/4".
    Is this an issue only for me?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      It can be confusing. It’s why I prefer the abc system for inversions.

  • @flopondia
    @flopondia 3 года назад

    Does that also mean that the first one (Ic - V) is an imperfect cadence and the second one (IVc -I) is a plagal candence or am I confusing my cadances?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      Yes they could appear as cadence chords if the progressions come at a phrase ending

  • @m.p.3musicstudio411
    @m.p.3musicstudio411 4 года назад

    May I ask is there any difference between this cadence and the Plagal cadence? Or it is just a different representation of that?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +1

      A Plagal Cadence progresses lV-l. A cadential 6/4 progresses 6/4-5/3, which could be a version of a Plagal Cadence progressing lVc-l but could also progress lc-V.

  • @deejy232
    @deejy232 2 года назад

    Gareth has the Johnny Ball x factor of presentation!

  • @RandyBakkelund
    @RandyBakkelund 4 года назад

    Awesome video! but I have 2 quick questions. To my understanding when you do a cadential 6-4 to the 5-3 you do it on the 5 chord? Is that correct? Also I was wondering is figured bass ever used for anything besides triads and 7th chords even if it is rare?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      Hi. Thanks for your positive message. The cadential 6-4 tends to happen in two places - lc V and lVc l. Figured Bass was of course the standard Baroque system and describes all chords used in the Baroque plus suspensions and other decorations to melody and harmony.

    • @RandyBakkelund
      @RandyBakkelund 4 года назад +1

      @@MusicMattersGB Can you explain what does Ic or IVc means? I know that Ic must mean something to do with the one chord and IVc must mean something to do with the four chord? but what does the c stand for in this case? Since I've never seen this type of identification of chords.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +2

      a is root position
      b is first inversion
      c is second inversion

  • @amd5471
    @amd5471 2 года назад

    I was following you until you added the roman numerals and now I'm very confused. The way a cadential 6/4 was explained to me was that it is an embellishment of the dominant chord. In C Major, this would be GCE moving to GBD and then to EGC or CEG. Is that incorrect?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  2 года назад

      That’s using a tonic chord completion

    • @amd5471
      @amd5471 2 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB Now I'm definitely confused! 😃

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  2 года назад +1

      6/4 5/3 is the key progression usually Ic to V or IV to I

    • @amd5471
      @amd5471 2 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB So my example above should not be considered a cadential 6/4?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  2 года назад +1

      If the 6/4 5/3 forms a cadence then it’s cadential eg Ic V.

  • @bradleyscarffpiano2921
    @bradleyscarffpiano2921 4 года назад

    Hello! do you have any advice for extensive modulatory passages such as you would find in many Beethovens sonatas between the two main subjects. and passing modulations In a piece I'm writing I want to move from C minor to G minor but I want to do so in a passing modulation through various keys. do you have any advice for that? many thanks.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +2

      There are various possibilities. The trick is to find pivot chords that take you into other keys or just to use pivot notes. In the case you mention you could go from C minor to Bb major, for example, then to G minor ie use the relative major of the key to which you’re travelling. If you want another key you could go from Bb major to Eb major then use the tonic chord of Eb major to pivot into G minor.

    • @bradleyscarffpiano2921
      @bradleyscarffpiano2921 4 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB Thank you! just another note, how should one approach this melodically? I'm not aware if you've done a video about using melodic tricks during modulation. if you have please direct me to it but if not could you consider doing one? much appreciated.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад +2

      Obviously melodic construction is important and there are many ways to go about it. Ensure that the melody fits with the harmony or uses inessential notes that fit alongside harmony notes.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      We do have a number of videos covering modulation techniques too which you may or may not have seen...
      Modulation Using the Circle of Fifths - ruclips.net/video/s4XiEg7kESI/видео.html
      Modulation using Diminished 7ths - ruclips.net/video/vdHyxs8C8tI/видео.html
      Modulation using the German 6th - ruclips.net/video/vI7LGdCEc4k/видео.html
      Modulation using a Pivot Note - ruclips.net/video/cQbHSEDpE6s/видео.html
      Modulation by Semitone Shift - ruclips.net/video/Y2lUmwB7lzI/видео.html
      Modulation using the Neapolitan Chord - ruclips.net/video/RUN4M6_kT9E/видео.html
      How to Modulate using a Pivot chord - ruclips.net/video/Tgyq6RfIF6c/видео.html

  • @cfz1988
    @cfz1988 3 года назад

    What is 1c and 4c?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      I II III IV V VI VII are the chord numbers being used
      a means root position
      b means first inversion
      c means second inversion

    • @cfz1988
      @cfz1988 3 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB Thanks a lot.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      😀

  • @jerrymiaharelee6040
    @jerrymiaharelee6040 3 года назад

    what does 1,2,4,5 mean?

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      Do you mean chord descriptions? l ll lV V are chords built on the first, second, fourth and fifth notes of the scale.

    • @jerrymiaharelee6040
      @jerrymiaharelee6040 3 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB yes, thank you.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      😀

  • @munyiteisaacijakaa5569
    @munyiteisaacijakaa5569 2 года назад

    many gratitudes frommy O-LEVEL candidates from kenya

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  2 года назад

      That’s great. Good luck for your exams

  • @brenomordida
    @brenomordida 4 года назад

    Now my shreds have more soul, thx

  • @oneeyemonster3262
    @oneeyemonster3262 4 года назад

    I sort of cheat play D min7/F......then ASCEND to ...E min7/G.
    I'll also arpegiate from the F note...then/and.or strike the Dmin7...
    Then to E min7/G...ect
    i didnt Know it was TERM that....It's just familar SOUNDS I've
    heard in different songs.
    DESCEND to C Major .lol
    DESCEND to B dim add 11 to A min...
    Then I'll play the Bb maj7 add#11 ( N6)
    DESCEND to E min ....ascend to F Maj G Maj A min
    Then....I ascend to F Maj7.....ABOVE the C Major Tonic.
    so I can play (descending.....F maj7..D min G7 into C MAJOR ( IV, ii, V, I)
    Then C Maj descending to F min Ab maj G7 into C Major...
    Different cadence or questions and Answer PHRASING...using CHORDS

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @oneeyemonster3262
      @oneeyemonster3262 4 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB it's actaully a pretty cadence..if i play it a certain
      way on the fretboard...I can even sort of blend it with
      the Db maj7 ( N6)...Inverted F min
      with or without the Db note...agaisnt the open A
      The Ab, 3, 6..has the C and F note in it...against the Open high E note.
      or I can play the D min7..less the D note..against the open A..
      or stack the E note below the A note.
      The trick is to play C Maj dyad ...At the 8th fret of the guitar
      against the open D and G....and play the G note at the 8th fret too..
      against the open E...
      becuase it's ASCENDING....before decsending back to C MAJOR
      ( which is a beautiful chord....which i can play with other stuff)
      Then Play to the Open C MAJOR chord at the Nut.
      it DONST sound the same...as playing F maj G maj into C
      or D min E min7 into C Major.
      It's not suppose too...that's why it's a different cadence.
      Its' a distinct sound ..if you listen to it.
      i just been trying different ways of playing it..
      different C Maj...ish chord.lol

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  4 года назад

      Great idea to experiment with all of this.

  • @telecasterbear
    @telecasterbear 3 года назад

    I am afraid my cadence is unintentionally imperfect.

  • @danielx40
    @danielx40 3 года назад

    Instead of C6/4, the notation should just use F/C. F with C as base.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      That would then only apply to one possibility in one key. The term Cadential 6-4 is used to describe the situations explained in the video in any key.

    • @danielx40
      @danielx40 3 года назад +1

      @@MusicMattersGB then “instead of I6/4, use IV/I. IV with I as base.” Bb/F if F key, C/G if G key. Same thing. Just this notation has no practical use. When a I becomes I6/4, it is functionally already IV, just with a more stable base I.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      But a Cadential 6-4 could also be a progression that goes I in second inversion to V. This is why the term Cadential 6-4 was established many years ago.

    • @danielx40
      @danielx40 3 года назад

      @@MusicMattersGB back in the days when chord theory was relatively new, I’m sure that they tried lots of things, 5/3 chords, 6/4 chords, perhaps even 7/5 and 9/7 chords. But many of the notations became obsolete. 6/4 chords are one of them, because every 6/4 can be analyzed as a 5/3 chord. People name stuff all they want, but essentially a I6/4 is an inverted IV. The reason not to use 6/4 is that it is only one of the many inversions, what if a F chord, 461, is inverted to 614? If 146 is C6/4, should 614 be A6/3? But there isn’t 6/3 chord, because it shouldn’t exist. 6/3 or 6/4 it complicates notations. What if it’s an Fmaj7 with base C, should it be written as C6/3/4? What if the chord progression is F/C-Fmaj7/C -should it be written as C6/4-C6/3/4, or C6/4-Famaj7/C instead? What if it’s an Fmajor7+add2/C (146135 for instance), should it be written as C6/4/5/3... The 6/4 confuses the chord analysis process. I get that F/C has tonic element in it. But we can just say the F with C as base is half tonic half sub tonic, as it has both qualities. I get that cadential 6-4 is a real notation language, but I’m saying that it is an excessive notation that is better off without.

    • @MusicMattersGB
      @MusicMattersGB  3 года назад

      The conventional descriptions are
      5/3 root position
      6/3 first inversion
      6/4 second inversion
      These descriptions describe the intervals above the bass note that form the chord.