Cordless Low-Budget Impact Battle: Hart v Ryobi v Ridgid Dyno Graphs
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2021
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Our pick for the budget tier: amzn.to/3e2HcxK (stay tuned to see why) Three 1/2" cordless impact wrenches all essentially made by TTI go head to head. Walmart's Hart 20V HPIW01 takes on Ryobi P261 and Ridgid R86011 for the crown in our low-budget mid torque group. They may not be able to take on the likes of DeWalt, Milwaukee or Makita when it comes to power, but at this price do they need to? You decide.
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Fear not Ridgid fans, we're doing a video shortly with the Ridgid using an Octane battery and it makes a BIG difference as we've found out. But it may not be the octane battery you suspected. Stay tuned.
I have AEG (Ridgid in Australia). The newer batteries sure help. Performance on the grinder and chainsaw with the og 5ah batteries is very poor, almost unusable. With the 3 or 6ah "force" (octane for you guys?) batteries the performance is very good indeed. That's less dramatic with the impact. I have had the same impact wrench for about 18 months, I'm very pleased with it's performance. I use it as a field tech on farm equipment. FWIW all these power tools are about 2.5x the price in australia.
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The Octane line is now dead. They are coming out with a high output battery that will fit the 18v line that is supposed to be better then Octane but without Bluetooth
Please do the ridgid with the octane version 4 amp battery
To bad they discontinued
I love how he goes “this isn’t demolition ranch” 😂😂
Immediately subscribed after that 😅
How do you not have 10 times the subs you have?
1.Great dry humor
2. No mouth breathing on the microphone
3. Detailed analysis
4. Non bias test
Keep up the great work! You’re going places!
Wow, thanks :)
😂 lol @ #2
The RUclips algorithm haven't hit yet, once it does this channel should blow up
Hart definitely had WalMart in mind when they gave it a big forward bias for when their tire center techs put your wheels back on
Now all they need is a lug socket with saw teeth to finish out the Walmart kit
i guess my experience wasn't an isolated instance
@@sdriza
Only Jiffy lube has a worse reputation...
@@MrNside Who do you think operates Walmart Tire Centers?
@@casey360360 if this is a serious question, some of them (not all of them) are probably some kids tht just don’t give a flying f*** abt anything.
I got the Ridgid. So far there is nothing I haven't been able to break loose with it. From harmonic balancers to old stuck on lug nuts from a 15-year-old F-150
1911 references, James Bond references....stop, stop. I can only hit Subscribe so much! 😂😂. Great video! Glad to see the budget ones being well represented.
Remember the old Makita 7.2 volt style batteries. Those were seriously James Bondish.
@@btrswt35 I loved those! The texture on those guns too, so weird and bumpy. A simpler time
I think you’re right about the small Rigid battery underperforming. I can’t wait to see where DeWALT and Makita lands in your test!
Love the dry humor, haha. And, of course, all the innuendoes that compliment said humor. I literally re-watched this video specifically for the James Bond, 1911 references. I had forgotten which impact you were likening that clip snap from a gun to! Ended up watching the whole episode again haha.
I've had the Ryobi for a couple of years now and it's done pretty well for simple tire changes and maybe when just a couple of larger bolts have to come off.
Anything more than tires or a couple of easy bolts I'll still fire up my compressor and use my AirCat 1200k or 1355xl.
I have the Ryobi impact and I really liked it for around the house. With all three brands be made by TTI it's kind of interesting to see a comparison.
Just need a Milwaukee to complete all the big TTI brands!!
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Love the charts and data you have 👍👍
Thank you!
I've had my Ryobi impact for over a year. Did the 'kit' from home depot as well (had to special order it) I nailed a full Ryobi +1 kit from the local flea market for $40 bucks. (Carrying bag HUGE!, 3 drills, circular saw, sander, radio, flashlight, sawzall.... 8 batteries and charger.) 7 batteries of course where fried. eBay to the rescue. I do a lot of work at the local U-Pull yards, and that impact and the saw never let me down!
Another good video. Keep up the good work, graphing is wonderful.
would love to see harbor freights battery earthquake impact
Deal
It's a beast I love it
@@billherzog5375 yeah i am sure even AVE had to admit its was a beast when he reviewed it and he hate harbor freight
Not just the Earthquake, check out the Bauer as well.
Its already been done by ave
That deal with the ryobi trigger is a feature not a bug. Seriously, it's to allow you to spin a lug nut most of the way off the lug after breaking it loose. I seem to remember that from a MCM video some time ago.
I had that exact same issue with my ryobi and it ended up being grease they put on the contacts inside the tool
I bought the Hart one at Walmart for $60 on the discount rack. Came with the smaller battery. I love using it when in the junkyard or working on my car. Only complaint is it got dirty super fast
"This is not Demolition Ranch" Lol... shots fired (torques fired?)!
Foot pounds per dollar! a different perspective if ever I saw (a different) one!
Subbed.
I've been eyeing up the Ridgid Octane to use when I don't need to get the compressor out & do a bunch of other stuff, but need more then I'd get from my Ridgid 18v 5 yr old impact. Looking forward to real world numbers, luv your channel 👍
Gotta get a 6ah or 9ah for the ryobi also the ridgid will respond well to octane batteries the older Ryobi impact without the selector had more power than the 261 when running standard batteries
I have all 4 Hart impacts and the one tested in this video has been crazy useful . From axle nuts to rusty A arm bolts it rips them right out . For lug nuts the 3/8s does great with out to much torquing them down. The half inch would snap the lugs lol
I have the 3/8 Hart. It does great work
I really love these graphs!
Ryobi has been kicking buns these last couple years with higher quality, more powerful tools and reasonably priced on top of it. Not to mention a wide variety of crap you probably never use. I keep expecting them to mess it up somehow. Like jacking up prices, or slacking off with the QC.
Well the prices of their new HP series are over the roof tbh
Tti also makes the ridgid. However they only make ridgid under license. Emerson still owns the brand.
Yup! Pretty much every impact in this video is made by TTI. You'd think we were sponsored if half of these didn't have issues after 1 day of use. We'll be adding non TTI brands here very shortly!
And that's why I am willing to buy Ridgid, and not Milwaukee.
@@jonnda Rigid orange power tools are made by TTI, the Emerson rigid tools are red. TTI just licenses the brand name not the tools
@@Willg95 Exactly. Rigid isn’t a complete sellout. They still exist, and still make non-electric hand tools in the usa... unless they were made through Western Forge. Milwaukee on the other hand is a wholly owned subsidiary of TTI.
Prices were fair when Hart was 1st introduced, but now with the good ratings/reviews that they have, prices have jumped substantially but I still buy them and don't have any complaints
Any complaints 9 months later?
@@MrAirsoftKid98 I'll throw my experience in, a Hart drill I bought had an issue with the gear assembly. Hart offered to replace it no questions asked and throw in another battery. I'm looking at buying their brushless line to use in replacement of my dead air impacts.
@@casey360360 that's a good idea I have all their brushless versions. And they are a significantly better
So many requests, I gotta throw my two cents in.Hopefully we get to see the Capri tools impacts from your intro! Most people are curious how the biggest marketing claims hold up under testing. I won't hold my breath, I know you have a lot of models to check out. Or wait, maybe I will...
Oh, you KNOW we gotta test an impact that claims 1715 ft-lbs. Wont be right away, but 100%
I recently made the full swap from Ryobi to Milwaukee. I agree with the host regarding battery attachment. Unhooking a battery on my Milwaukee's requires a firm smack to remove. Compared to an easy one handed removal and installation of the battery on Ryobi.
The Ridgid is still an octane tool, even though it doesn’t say it. The B on the end usually means bare tool I thought? The Ridgid numbers would have been much better with a real battery and especially with an octane battery.
I completely agree if the rigid had a 5 amp hour battery or even if you throw an octane battery on it it will blow the other two out of the water because the gen5x has the ability to be an octane half inch impact using an octane battery... the Ridgid gen5x 1/2 inch impact had the octane technology built into it before they launch the pain brand it's the only tool and the gen5x Arsenal that does
Awesome video. Definitely shocking. Would love to see the milwaukee brushed 1/2 impact vs ___
My milwaukee high torque did that trigger thing after being beaten for a year. Turned out to be the confuser
7:00 starts the testing
You are my hero
Definitely gotta use a mid torque impact with at least a 4ah battery. I have that same ridgid one and the difference is very obvious in power and run time when using a smaller battery.
I have the ridgid also and if they were all using the same size battery the ridgid would blow the other's out of the water. In my opinion this test is trash.
Haha dude I didn't need this kick in the balls today! I know my Ryobi P261 is weak as hell but at least my trigger works. Another well done video, I'm going to echo what another guy posted and recommend testing the Earthquake XT 1/2, Bauer 1/2, Dewalt 1/2 XR since you've already got the big Rigid coming soon. Thanks again for the great channel!
The Bauer is 8.9" long, that's longer than the 1,500 ft-lbs Ridgid! So we didn't really know where it fit, not exactly a mid size. As for the others you suggested, we'll get to it!
Compensator category?
Add a octane battery on the ridgid you’ll hear a huge difference from a standard 4ah and a 6ah octane battery I noticed it
yup, its because that tool was Octane ready and is identical to the Octane version. It was just released before OCTANE was official so they just left off the label.
I've replaced the brushes on an old Mikita brushed drill, it takes time for the brushes to break in to make full contact with the armature. Till then it could take a bit of time to be able to pull the full amperage for the Heart tool. Also makes sense IMO to go with a brushed motor as you don't need low speed torque and working RPM's are typically well defined by the impact mechanism/motor pairing.
It would awesome if you could test Lowe's store brand, Kobalt. I've heard great things about them and the batteries seem really affordable compared to other brands. They're 24V and brushless also, which is interesting. Great work by the way! It's neat to see a thorough and objective comparison between brands on a level playing field.
Theyre xtr brand is actually really nice i use them for light automotive and they work
Kobalt didn't have what we would call a mid-size impact wrench, but we will be visiting the full size XTR down the road for sure!
Same here. I have a few Kobalt 24V tools, like the XTR drill and impact kit, and I am really impressed with the performance they have at their price point. They don't really have a mid torque impact, but I've heard great things about the XTR full size impact wrench, though I'm not sure it qualifies as cheap.
Great video, would like to see some brushless craftsman
Please compare 3/8 vs 1/2 drive mid-torques! :) Would like to see how much less it will actually produce with the smaller driver+adapter ( Maybe normal vs low profile?). That would be so awesome, especially the Milwaukee mid-torque!
We will! And won't need to use an adapter, we're having a 3/8" socket made for this dyno.
I purchased a 3/8 inch drive Hart 20v impact and to my surprise it tightened all 20 of the lug nuts on my minivan then took it to a shop to make sure they were tightened enough the lugs barely moved after using the Hart impact.
Love the "magazine on a 1911" and 007 references!!!
200$ for the hart gets you in the ballpark as kobalt. I’d love to see how it compares.
Pumped to see the Rigid with the Octane battery and the high torque model with the Octane.
I have the rigid 1/2 I think it does all I need on my car but I could imagine needing more power on a truck or bigger vehicle
Just a comparison:
I use the 4ah battery in my Ridgid gen 5. I tried to use a 2ah on to see the difference and it was WAY less power. I assemble tractors at my job this can handle taking off 35mm lug nuts tightened at the factory but takes about 4-5 seconds to get broke loose. Everything smaller it has no problem. These are new bolts so old rusty crusty is harder on it. This had a tough time removing u-bolt nuts from my 1993 jeep wrangler for a lift but they been on there a long time as well as I live in the rust belt...but it did it. Soaked PB blaster days before and spray and loosen then spray and somewhat tighten spray again-back and forth. It has been through this abuse for 2 years.
Lol that demolition ranch comment earned a sub
Any chance of doing the older 2763 Milwaukee? And adding a test line for the old standby 231 to the big gun line up.
Thanks for the honest tests
Technicaly full with data
Congrate !
That Hart looks suspiciously similar to Ryobi’s old P260 discontinued a few years ago. Funny thing, another RUclips channel, ToolBoss I think, tested the 260 against the same 261 you have here, and the 260 actually won that comparison as well.
Nice review. Thnx
I bought the Chicago Electric corded impact from Harbor Freight for 35 bux. It would be interesting to see the numbers it puts up for such a low price.
What's a bux 🤔🤔
Good stuff! I'm waiting on Makita and harbor freight...
The Ridgid underperforms with the small battery because the small batteries have 5 18650 cells to produce 18V nominal. The thicker batteries have 10 cells, 2 sets of 5 in parallels. This allows the load to be distributed across to sets of cells which keeps the battery voltage high while the battery pack is under load and allows for better performance.
From what I seen on a website a guy that does what your doing Ridgid told him that tool came out before Octane batteries but already had the octane tech. built in.
Could u test the 1/2 drive dewalt high torque impact an similar 1/2 impacts see if there specs are what they claim
I got the Ryobi kit for 79$ on sale at Home Depot right around Christmas time.
I wonder how much the batteries and hardware effect the results or if they have similar parts. Being all the same mfg tools
Nice Video. Subbed after the Demo Ranch comment.
Nice video bro good information 👍
I run the same ryobi and it has the same issue with the trigger. I found out that if I start in speed 2 for a second or so and switch to 3 afterwards, it works perfectly.
I have the p261 and I've noticed that I get a lotmore torque when I use my 9ah grey lithium hp+ or whatever they're called. You're using the basic black lithium battery which doesn't carry as much current
Yeah, we haven't had a lot of luck with this base 4Ah battery from Ryobi possibly. Could have effected the performance of the p262 we've tested as well. But strapping on a $140 battery also defeats to purpose of a low-budget face-off and doesn't make for great apples-to-apples with other impacts. If Ryobi had made it more clear what supposed to be used for what it would help.
@@TorqueTestChannel i completely agree. My girlfriend uses the portable fans so we already had the bigger batteries. I notice a difference just between the black 4ah battery and the gray 4ah one
I wonder if these brush tools that are more power in forward would make the same power in reverse if you swap the wires on the motor around and made it run backwards from the way it was designed.
I like Ryobi have impact and drill and two battery's sat in my closet for years came back charged em good as new last long time and battery charges in 30 minutes
Cant wait to see p261 vs the new p262 !
I have a Ridgid X4 R86010 that I bought tool only. I had older generation 1.5 aH batteries. When trying to loosen very tight nuts, it would shut off after about 3 seconds. I bought "Octane" 3 aH batteries and the issue went away. Still can't loosen some stubborn nuts but it will try until the batteries are depleted. I upgraded to a Milwaukee M18 Gen 2 Mid Torque (2960-20) which is marginally better. I say marginally better and what I mean is that you're not getting air impact performance out of cordless tools anytime soon. Cost and power to weight ratio still favor pneumatic impacts.
I have a lot of Ryobi tools starting back when they were blue and I use them pretty dang hard and never had one fail yet.
A pro using a tool everyday is different than a dude at home using it hard for a day or even occasionally to build a deck or teardown an engine.
@J C Nothing wrong with lower priced power tools. I also have some ryobi I've used a bunch while remodeling my home. Like you said great for the money. I can't say they'd stand up to someone in the trades using them everyday though.
I bought an angle grinder a while back for a big project. Burned it out in a day and a half of hard use. I'm now on the third one. Should have just bought the makita instead of being cheap.
Same here. I just picked up the ratchet yesterday at Direct Tools for $45 with a coupon!!! Also got some permanent marker pens, a 25ft tape, and a knife, along with a Milwaukee M12/M18 charger.
@@chesterswingjr9796 nice score
I burned up their sawzall in no time, maybe third day I had it. I baby the drill, the impact is ok, but I got Ryobi to back up my Dewalt stuff because I like their little compressor and the hot glue gun. Those are great. The flashlight that comes with the kit is ok too.
In my own experience
, ryobi with a 5.0ah Ryobi battery seems to have alot more power all over:)
If you can, test the ingersoll rand thunder gun, the consumer vs NASCAR model
I hope you are running the brushed tools long enough to break the brushes in before testing, and giving the batteries a couple charge/discharge cycles. Don't know what to make of your trigger issues as I have owned one of those impacts and never observed this. It makes me wonder if you ought to have a sample size larger than 1 per model.
Now that I can't help but imagine that Ryobi driver as a pistol the black socket really looks like a suppressor lol
the hart works good for about 2 weeks of real use. hammer shattered inside. I bought a ryobi 3 speed with auto and use it everyday for past 3 yrs.
Rigid with the big battery, I was shocked how good it is.
Was wondering if you could test the bosch freak, kobalt 24v max impact and the kobalt 24v xtr impact
Same here, love my Bosch freak... I’ve got 150ft lbs out of it on a 17mm lug nut
I have that same ryobi with the same trigger problem. It must be something to do with the speed selector because 1 & 2 work fine but 3 and it's intermittent. At least I know now I'm not the only one.
With my ridgid impact I generally run a 4ah battery. If it's struggling I put on the 6ah Octane pack, it does make a difference in power.
I can't wait to see your test with the new big Ridgid impact. I've been debating picking one of them up for really rust stuck fasteners.
Have you tested the older green ryobi rated at 200ft lbs? When I bought this model Ryobi, I could tell it wasn't 300. More like 225/250 max. 1st gear was 50ft/lbs, 2 - 100ft/lbs.
You can find the Ryobi with a 4ah battery and a charger for $99, which is a steal, hands down. This much torque will get you out of a pinch 90% of the time.
@torque test channel This channel is going to blow up, these videos are terrific! When you do the Octane batteries could you possibly test both the "R86011B" Octane and the previous R86011 Brushless?? Both tools have the extra battery tabs for Octane batteries/high amp draw. Would love scientific confirmation that they are indeed the same tool, just one is rebranded.
Okay, we'll do that!
@@TorqueTestChannel I saw, that was a great video about the Octane batteries! Also nice to know they are basically the same tool. Thanks so much for what you're doing here. 🙏
FYI the trigger cutout issue is actually because you're pulling the trigger too fast. If you ease into it just a little slower, it won't happen. The problem is the motor's peak startup load exceeds the battery's over-current protection, and it trips. They knew this when they designed the tool, and assumed you would pull the trigger just a little bit slower so that peak load would be shaved off by a slower start-up. Assuming you'll never pull the trigger quickly is certainly a design fault (hindsight 20/20), but it is not indicative of an early failure or QC issue. All/most units of that model Ryobi do the same thing on certain batteries that have more sensitive over-current protection. It happens with a few other high power tools in the line up as well.
Hey great info, thanks!
I would like to see you do video on the hart 3/8 inch 20 volt cordless impact gun to see if it's worth the money.
great stuff love all this comparisons, I'm just curios if you would test a Bauer 1/2" Corded Impact wrench , just out of pure curiosity compared to other battery impacts
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@@TorqueTestChannel Nice!! can't wait to see those in action, i don't know why i like watching this video, maybe because i already own a lot impact wrenches.... but ill keep on watching
We need to see dewalt!
You should test the Porter Cable mid-torque just for comedic value! I made the mistake of buying one....had to return it- it couldn't even break 100 ft/lb lug nuts loose...not ONE! The good news is: After such an experience I was HAPPY to pay more to buy DeWalt tools, including their DCF900 BEAST of an impact wrench, and despite being a bona fide cheapskate, I have no regrets and am actually GLAD I did it.
Try testing the ridgid 1/2 mid torque with the new 4Ah max output battery even though you already tested it with the high torque, just to see what would be the difference between using the new battery and octane in the 1/2 mid torque
Interesting that these different TTI products do not appear to be just 'badge engineered' like so many other products (including cars)
I would like to suggest a side-by-side of the rigid high impact in the Milwaukee high impact.
And so you shall have it!
sweet... i love my hart 20v tools....
basically all my tools are hart because i'm cheap as hell but those results shook me, i thought hart was going to pull the lowest
I'd like to see some kobalt 24v impacts on here
I second this
I've owned that Ryobi for 2? years now and have never had that trigger problem.
Id love to see those amazon battery adapter that adapt lets say dewalt batteries on the Milwaukee impact if it affects torque?
Okay!
If has not been said yet, TTi makes all of them ...
I’m looking for one that will take off & put on lug nuts on my half ton pickup truck if I have a flat tire out on the road, I’m a spring chicken any more, also it needs to be dependable & budget friendly
Probably Ridgid or Craftsman brushless in our opinion
I loved my hart. Great for the price really
Id like to see you test out some MAXIMUM tools from canadian tire if you can get ahold of them. Theyre a good price point also
Can you do the black and decker impact comparison with others in its class. Thanks.
Looking forward to the P262, your test will decide whether I buy one or not. Wonder how much of a difference an HP battery would make over a standard battery
They don't even have One+ HP branded batteries, they have the PBP004 which they call their "High Performance" battery which I believe may pair best with HP tools - but Home Depot was only selling the P262 by itself when it came out and had no PBP004's for sale in store or online. So wasn't exactly an easy thing to pair together like picking up a Milwaukee and a HO battery or Ridgid and an Octane battery. Sort of frustrating. Will cover it in the next video.
@@TorqueTestChannel Interesting, used to be that the HP batteries and tools had 4 contacts instead of 2 to deliver more power. Looking forward to the results
Im confused, the Ridgid clearly was on top of the graphs for every test so how did it rank so low?
Honestly, the rigid is probably the best of the 3 considering how it constantly goes on sale for $100
And unlike the other two, It is dependable.
The ryobi is 49.99 right now
I got the hart from the fb marketplace for $60 and the $99 deal from walmart (2 4ah batteries, 3a fast charger and the sawzall) imo its a bang for its value i got it for.
The octane version is on sale right now until may for $149 comes with the 485 ft.lbs. tool one 4amp non octane battery and charger.
TTI is actually a Hong Kong based company not China based. Milwaukee is a luxury tool for most DIYers and pretty much mandatory for most tradespeople. I’d take a less powerful tool that lasts over a more powerful tool that doesn’t last. However, I chose Milwaukee fuel so I can have a tool that is both built last a very long time and is very powerful. So if I had to choose between the 3, I’d definitely get the ridgid due to longer tool life.
I would like to see a review of the kobalt 24 volt 1/2 in impact