How do we know that Christians are delusional?
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If you are a Christian, you are about to begin
a fascinating journey. In the next ten minutes
it will become clear to you that your belief in God is delusional.
The goal of this short video is to help you look in a mirror and understand the delusion of Christianity. Once you can see what is going on, the hope is that you will be able to start healing your delusion. With each healing, we make our world a better place.
One of the most compelling realizations that guided me to atheism was the realization that religion is mostly a matter of geography. I'm sure most people reading this comment have whatever religion they have because they were born into it, and if you had just _happened_ to have been born elsewhere, you would most likely have a different religion and you would believe just as strongly as you do now that you are right. Does that not bother you? Isn't it obvious how that *is not* a pathway to truth?
This argument alone should set people straight. Well said.
@Scarlet King Not believing in man made myths as being real is cringe? Explain please
@@joewestwood7505 But unfortunately, this blatantly and excruciating-obvious point often goes above the heads of people of faith. They are so pathetic, what a bunch of delusional and indoctrinated lemmings.
@@travisjazzbo3490 Yeah it's just some idiot being an edgelord. The only reason we even have a word for "someone who does not believe this specific thing" (notice how we don't have a word for those who don't believe in the tooth fairy or unicorns or leprechauns) is because of religion's widespread bullshittery. Not believing in something that's completely undemonstrated shouldn't even need a word, it should be the default position for anyone with half a fuckin' brain.
@@Xbob42 100% As you said... absolutely ridiculous we need a word for it
""when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
Best quote on the subject....
when one person says "there is no God" it is called foolishness, when many people suffer from unbelief in a God that is real but in made up stories about we being animals it's called atheism
@@WildlandExplorer lol, problem is your "granular analysis" as a failed human being that came from an "irrational monkey" and now is still with emotional animal instincts to make this "granular analysis" so biased to not agree with a Holy Book that proved to be true for milllenia...
Well I think you can figure out for yourself from here, you are intelligent enough.
May God lead you to the truth, because me as a man can simply be a messenger.
@@WildlandExplorer Let me give you a shocker of what THE definition of reality is...
here you go...
JUST IS WHAT IT IS...
THE WAY IS WHAT IT IS
THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS
AND THE LIFE IS WHAT IT IS
Can't be more simpler than that...
God I AM THAT I AM just IS.
YOU CAN ONLY FIND THAT IN JESUS CHRIST
@@kjvitor Cool.. now prove Jesus is REAL as defined by Christianity
@@travisjazzbo3490 It is proven as it's written in the Bible! Not as Christianity defines.
All other religions are completely false....but MY religion is 100% true. Ahhh the beauty of faith. Now lets go kill everybody in the name of our loving God who disagrees.
Jeremy Smith It's called satire. I was mocking the mindset of fundamentalists.
Jeremy Smith By the way I am mostly condemning Islam as a religion more so than Christianity. I think Christian fundamentalists are just silly whereas Muslim fundamentalists (terrorists) are very dangerous and life threatening. I'm still a big fan of Jesus though lol. He had a good message.
Jeremy Smith I don't understand your question. A Jihadist reads the Quran and Hadith literally as a fundamentalist and follow the example of Muhammad. When Allah commands KILL INFIDELS, some Muslims take that as their goal in life. Islam teaches hate not peace.
+bgoodfella7413 Do you think this is an exclusively Christian claim? Let's ask: 2+2 = 4. Yep, that's correct. 2+2 = 5. Nope, wrong. 2+2 = 3. Nope, wrong again. While admittedly a gross oversimplification, soteriological equifinality is a myth constructed by mankind. Only Christianity has a sophisticated enough worldview to completely explain who we are, how we are, who God is, how he relates to us, and properly frames not only the necessity for grace, mercy, and justice, but how they apply to the human condition and HAD to be fulfilled by Jesus alone. No other deity/deities had the ability to propitiate on our behalf.
+Numinous Yes, well put, brother. ....and no other god claimed to be born from a virgin, live a sinless life, forgive the sins of men, raise others from the dead, heal the sick, rise Himself from the dead and ascend back into Heaven where He came from...all according to many hundreds of never wrong predictions by His prophets. Jesus is high above all other gods. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God".
Be reasonable. If I tell people I had a conversation with a talking snake, or saw angels flying trough the sky. They either think I'm schizophrenic or high on drugs.
Atheos B. Sapien LOL!!!!
Rare Ruudje but what if you did... then how would you feel when no one believes you and then you’ll feel all alone
Emily Sweet That's why we need proof that it did happen, or else we could just dismiss it as an illusion.
@Atheos B. Sapien Years ago before Snowden i told people the gov was watching us and listening in. I was wrong and now im right. Just because people believe in something that you cant see doesnt mean they are wrong. Just like most scientist and geniuses ahead of their time. Some people do have power of prophecy, and ESP. Just because youre told what is real and what is delusion doesnt make that reality. My brother, atheist, gay, book worm, about to be a librarian, didnt believe in spirits until he was haunted.
Hallucinations were all the rage in myth days. Look at Daniel and John.
Oh man, I remember seeing this in 2006 and I was FURIOUS. But now I watch it and now that I'm atheist, I LOVE this video. But the reaction I used to have was so much anger because the points made in this video are so good. So glad I dropped religion. So glad.
I'm glad you found your mind, now we just need a couple more billion people to do the same.
I'm surprised I found it LOL. Indoctrination is a bitch.
***** i was a skeptical believer for 32 years now many years later without all that garbage in my head life has so much more meaningful.
Dragonfly Totally agree. My depression ended, my self-respect improved, I became educated, I met the love of my life, and I started to love everyone else more when I stopped being religious. It's poison. I wish people could know that the way I do. I am a completely different person since I dropped religion... and I would do it again.
Please remember that even though religion causes a lot of controversies, the truth lies in Jesus Christ. We are all terrible people and we are condemned without Jesus, but through Jesus, God sees life in us. "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever may believe in Him shall not perish" John 3:16. I encourage you to Please seek God's mercy and love. All you have to do is seek Him and he will show himself.
My favorite part in the bible is where Jesus is alone talking to himself but somehow somebody still manages to write it down - Pj Neeley
Only one Beck
Delusional beliefs?
No limit to my delusion.
Holy shit I didn’t realize that lol.
@Al Pal the scribe was Matthew
@Al Pal Matthew was a scribe. Read up
@Al Pal hahaha you are ignorant which explains a lot. First the apostles were Jews. Jewish Boys go to Yeshivah which is school at least enough to read the Torah. The Torah was in Greek in Jesus time. Second just because some were fishermen doesn't mean they were illiterate. You made that up. Only a few of the apostles were fishermen. You made out as if they all were. Matthew was the tax collector of Capernuam. Therefore he could read Aramaic and Latin and Greek. We have copies of works from the second century. Thus your claim of six hundred years after Jesus is an out and out lie. Grow up!!
These people cling to their beliefs like a piece of Saran Wrap because the very notion that they've wasted their time on this garbage is unacceptable. Instead of reevaluating the evidence, admitting what is obvious, and moving forward with the one life they have, they feel compelled to drag everyone they know through the mud, just to feel better about themselves. Perpetuating the superstitious, Bronze Age myths is literally the most selfish, narcissistic stance anyone can take.
HappyToBeReligionFree That bronze age religion is a cancer that needs to be treated as a disease.
Paul Shene The cure is a dose of reason and logic, although they would probably spit the pill out, like when I try to medicate my dog.
HappyToBeReligionFree actually I claim to My Religion because the idea that a moral unthinking disorganized matter exploded in the middle of the universe and became moral thinking rational matter. That's the same as if you believed a tree exploded and accidentally made a book. That's what the atheist believes. Except that's not the world that we live in.
Lord willing this testimony may help you.
I was an atheist, raised as an atheist, by atheists; made a study of biology both in school and in my spare time, as well as studying atheist arguments and debate tactics. I was a militant atheist in my high school years, and would talk about atheism with anybody who would listen. By the time of my 4th semester of college courses, I had become suicidally depressed.
I had experienced every pleasure I had hoped to experience in life by the age of 18, and every single one I found to be completely empty of meaning.
Sex, boring. I was literally cataloging the experience so I could talk about it later.
Drugs, pointless. Just trying to forget the hopelessness.
I had become perpetually more aware of an unavoidable fact, that every action I took ultimately could not accomplish anything.
Because no matter how far reaching my achievements were, how many lives I touched, it all turns to dust in the end. Entropy, the heat death of the universe, now cometh the end, not with a bang but a whimper.
This degree of nhilism ultimately culminated in a suicide attempt by pills. As I closed my eyes on what I expected to be my last day, I felt my heart starting to slow down. That was when I panicked and realized I didn't want to die, I just wanted to live in a world with some hope in it.
This led me to attempt to uncover whatever spiritual truth, if any, existed in the universe. I began to try to build a personal religion based on everything I had learned about newtonian physics, quantum physics (very rudimentary understanding), biology, evolution, astronomy, and combining that with a study of world religions.
I ended up with something that was a blended form of buddhism, western paganism, and evolutionary theory.
After performing consecration rituals, I became (at first) pleasantly surprised when I actually came into contact with spirits. They spoke to me inside my thoughts, and opened my mind to new possibilities (based largely on the multiverse theory) of reincarnation and a reality that cycled through every concievable possible reality in an infinite loop.
This then led to its own eventual hopelessness, as I reasoned that an infinite number of lives meant that by definition I would die every possible concievable manner of death in every concievable possible form over and over again forever. That made wildlife documentaries horrifying I can tell you, ever heard of cordiceps fungus?
I began increasingly to feel like I had begun slowly going insane, losing a bit more of my grip on reality every day.
The spirits began taunting me, pushing me towards suicide. Terrifying me with images of violent slaughters and laying the blame for thousands of dead at my feet. (After all, if one lives every concievable life, one commits every concievable crime; no matter how horrible)
I nearly committed suicide by sticking my finger into a light socket at the direction of a spirit, but thankfully God had his hand in my life even there.
By shear happenstance, I was wearing a souvenier t-shirt from Hell, in Grand Cayman; and was struck by an unmistakeable certainty that if I died I would wake up in Hell for real.
Later, I opened up a Bible to read through Revelation (mostly for kicks, though it had become evident to me in my amalgamated religion I had made a point of avoiding reading anything Christian)
And this is the absolute hardest part to describe, the only verses I actually saw directly convicted me of sins I had committed.
Sorcery, guilty.
Theft, guilty.
Liar, guilty.
Murderer, guilty.
I was guilty, and I knew it. Every single verse I saw was like staring into the face of a judge who knows all about you and is about to throw the book at you when he passes sentence.
I was terrified, but I also knew something unmistakeable; the spirits that had been tormenting me RAN when I opened that Bible. I tried to run too, I put it aside and curled into a ball.
But something inside me said, if its true you can't ignore this.
And as I came back to it, then God spoke to me of repentance; remission of sins, and forgiveness in Jesus Christ.
I turned around, called on the name of the Lord, and he heard me.
And here is possibly the most amazing thing that has happened to me since, I'm sane. The evil spirits no longer have power over me because I belong to God.
If you've made it this far, I know you don't believe in spirits, evil or otherwise; so Ill tell it like you'll understand.
I heard voices in my head that taught me things, gave me knowledge of some scientific research I'd never heard of weeks before I'd ever end up reading about it. And later these voices tried to convince me to kill myself.
Yet now in Christ, their power is broken; and I am walking around without the constant fear of voices in my head.
The gospel of Jesus set me free from what you would probably describe as some form of paranoid psychosis, no medication or therapy sessions necessary.
And when I say psychosis, I mean voices speaking in my head telling me to commit acts of cannibalism, kill my family, kill myself, or commit acts of biological terrorism.
It cannot be overstated how powerfully God worked in my heart, it cannot be overstated that God took me as an insane addict and turned me into a sane free man.
God is REAL, Jesus is God in the flesh, he died for you and me both; trust him today. Please.
ryan alving: Your anecdotal story proves nothing except you were a very unhappy young person who sought meaning in pleasure only. You have found your crutch and are using it for all it's worth. Good for you. But it simply doesn't prove god in any way except to you. Your personal "revelation" is hearsay to everyone else.
The "delusion bubble" is what John Loftus calls the Outsider Test of Faith. Theists never seem to understand that their beliefs look very different to people who were not raised in their faith.
Or who don't have *THE HOLY GHOST* living in them
Yeah, you're right!!
We *DO SEE WITH DIFFERENT EYES*
PRAISE GOD!!!!
@@freegracecommunity the "holy ghost". Are you listening to yourself? You are fucking crazy by thinking that some magical ethereal entity that can not be touched, felt, seen or heard at all affects the physical world
@@luisrocha2460 Hey, Free Grace is living in his bubble and going insane. Don't worry about that troll.
@@freegracecommunity I only believe in one less god than you do.
@@luisrocha2460 The Holy Spirit can be felt and heard. What/who created everything though?
Still the ten minute video gold standard 16 years later. A very effective tool for reaching out to the deluded and their geographically-assigned Santa figure..
Thank you, I've finally come to my senses. I feel lied to in my childhood growing up in church, now I'm thinking for myself and am using my brain and not letting emotions or guilt cloud my judgement. I really hope this helps others =)
Oh, it was really just that easy, huh? watch a youtube video by some guy who claims you're delusional you just jump on board in agreement. Something tells me your faith was wavering before you stumbled on this video, and this just sealed the deal. People don't decide matters of faith based on a youtube video...nice try though.
@@jlauren91 Very clever.
@@jlauren91 yeah cuz that's what they said, that they 100% believed their faith and that this video made them instantly 100% change. You tried to debunk a claim that YOU created, not them. Nice try, though.
@@jlauren91 agreed, if someone changes their view based on this video it shows how weak they are, that they're just a feather in the wind with no real decision making or self thinking in their head.
@@_Michal_Michal_ So what do you believe and why do you believe it?
Religious people are like Cinderella and waiting for a Prince charming to come save them.
+Caroline Spencer - Yet, I am not Christian due to a fear of death or hell. I became Christian simply because I was searching for my maker. I cannot say for certain where I am going after my death here on earth. Whatever the case I am grateful I found Him and no longer live the prideful life of destruction I once did. I don't think much about 'waiting to be saved'. I love Him because He first loved me! Peace to all!
+Caroline Spencer It's more like they are Cinderella and they are afraid the Evil Stepmother is going to punish them.
Coy Hampton - Come now Mr. Hampton. Surely you realize that not all Christians have found and worship God out of fear. For so many it is out of love bro!
Caroline Spencer GOOD ONE !! tHANKS FOR YOU'RE OPINION. so what do you believe ? just so, I can insult you on you're belief, give me something to work with.
I'm open-minded to the existence of a god. But there's no evidence outside of an Iron Age book. Science has been debunking it for centuries. But people are free to believe what they want. Most belief systems are based on where a person is born and raised. How could some people be so vain to think their system is the correct one when the only reason they believe in their faith is based on location? Some people do convert, but most stay with what they were first indoctrinated with….That's a fact.
How come when a person suffers delusions, they are medicated and/or given a room in a psychiatric hospital. But call it a 'religion' and they remain free to spread their mental illness.
+1701spacecadet There are too many religious people. The law is made by the majority. There you have it.
+1701spacecadet Being one of the people isn't delusional, it's transformational. Christians have taken the red pill. You, and many others, took the blue pill; still stuck in the Matrix. How doe sit feel to be unwittingly used by powers beyond your comprehension?
+Numinous One MAJOR problem with your analogy: taking the red pill allows you to see the reality. Reason. Logic. Scientific truth.
You, on the other hand, are the one remaining in La La Land still believing the lie that is 'religion'.
+1701spacecadet Well in any event. We're stuck in a world with a problem of evil. That evil had to come from somewhere. The Bible clearly states God is the author of good and evil. I guess God made the rules and as disturbing as they are to think about sometimes it's what we have to work with.
Michael Jourdan Nope, God isn't the author of good and evil, only good. Evil is the absence of good, not it's opposite. What you're proposing is dualism, and it's a classic heresy.
Another example is heat and cold. Cold is not the opposite of heat, it's the absence of heat energy. To get really detailed into the thermodynamics at play, when all molecular movement in the form of heat ceases, the state is known as absolute zero. It's the coldest possible temperature. But it's not cold because it has abundant "coldness"; it's cold because there is absolutely zero present heat energy.
If I tell people that I saw a flying dolphin shooting lasers at birds, everyone will think I'm crazy, but if the bible says that Moses saw a flying dolphin shooting laser at birds, everyone will believe >->
The difference is the Bible is respected and people think it's true
@@tnl-warrior3218 that doesn't make it true
That's not in the Bible, I don't believe that at all
@@dickersoncharlie4961 but if it were in the bible, everyone would believe it
@@reptile1687 I know I would not believe that, I don't think they had a word for "Lazer" in Hebrew but now I don't think everyone would believe it, no one can ever know that amswer
Two years ago, I underwent a powerful evangelical conversion experience. It took me over a year to accept what I already knew but desperately wanted not to be true, that this religious experience was simply a mental event/brain state. I was in a low point in my life and the message of Christianity was extremely attractive to me, even though deep down I knew it was false. This repressed knowledge and the strong desire for Christianity to be true is what led me to study apologetics as rapaciously as I did. It offered me the assurance that even though I knew my beliefs were probably false I nonetheless had good reasons to suppose they were true. The reason Christianity and other religions continue to exert such strong influence over people, in part at least, is all to do with a psychological wish for it all to be true.
Nope..that would be bcs of the knowledge all of us have of God and the doubt presented to us by satan. God is as real as you and i
Sad really.
i completely agree, may i ask what you believe now? im struggling with my own beliefs. wondering what you think now as this comment is so far in the past
@@alexrattray8807 prove it
"I prayed to God for wisdom, I became an athiest, God works in mysterious ways."
U mean u became independent of God
you're lying buddy
@@mrniceguy8298 Who, Irish?
As recently as a year ago I believed this stuff wholesale. If it weren't for videos like this, I would still be. Please accept my thanks, and keep them coming.
It's the only way many of them can cope with their immortality and their eventual consignment into Oblivion
@@Jerseyboondocks That and the fear of losing friends and family.
@@Jerseyboondocks atheism is actually a way of trying to escape the fact you will be denied in heaven. So you beleive there won't be anything in the afterlife. You are scared of the idea of not making it to Heaven, and going to hell. God bless
@@jacks703 What a horse-hit statement. Great representation of 'Christianity' you are... which one of the 30,000 denominations all claiming they are right, and all others are wrong, are you?
In a few hundred years or sooner these Gods will be regarded as pagan gods and myths, as all other gods before have been, and then we can end this lunacy.
I'm sure the age of aquiarius will have thier own new gods sychronicitized and updated maybe an eletronic god with advent of AI
***** Look at the current crop in Congress then rephrase that. #nohopetoavoidstupid
THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DO BELIEVE IN GOD IS NOT LUNACY.
Augustine Hourigan So according to your logic,
"The fact that rapist believe rape is good" is not lunacy.
Nice logic you lunatic.
If there is no God how do you explain this universe where did everything come from
Thank you for all your videos . It took cancer to free me from my 35 years of the Christian delusion!. With so many people praying for me the cancer became worse, and over the years of my own praying for valid good things , none of these things came about and in most cases got worse not better!. I refer to my joining the faith as a mental abduction by its followers while I was going through a very difficult and stressful time, and was looking for comfort in it and was ripe in the taking to try and except the delusion due to the fact that everyone in it appeared so happy and loving. Stepping out of the box of conformity to fit in with the herd, I could see that I had become hypnotized in a sense to this cult of thought. It is difficult now that I'm free, and hard to erase all the fear and condemnation that has been installed in me. When the believers ask me if I am born again I can say with a smile and say...yes, I now know the truth and am free from the enslavement of religion and delusional thinking. It is like going outside into the real sun light of freedom and no guilt steeped on my shoulders to way me down for the rest of my life. Plus I keep my money!!!!!!!! Hahahahaha........
I never completely took the bait, but the fear and condemnation definitely took hold, and it's been a lengthy effort to unweave those from myself as well. But I'm so much freer than I used to be. Hope you continue to find your clarity, and hope all of your situations are improving.
@@AunyxRaShea I have been studying Astro-Theology and Anthropology that has affirmed my choice to enter reality and delete all and any form of religion! What a feeling of freedom! and finding out that the early church under Constantine made up the concept of hell is even more freeing! All the christians who have told me they love me have thrown me away since I left the flock of delusion. So much for that! hahahahaha......
This is such a strong argument. I don't know how any rational person can watch this, that is a Christian in this case, and not be blown away. Such an excellent summary of how ridiculous religions are.
Most people of faith have been indoctrinated since childhood, so no amount of logic will sway them
Some minimum of IQ would help them.
"I would like to bring a Ghost-never-lies.... but I'm the only one who can see or hear him" describes Joseph perfectly. And, now America has millions of people who believe that. Amazing!
As an atheist, as I’ve grown I can see the good in religion. It provides many good systems of thinking and morality. It explains how to behave in a way that has a positive effect on human emotion and motivation. The rituals can also be healthy. However, the false stories of creation or how these beliefs came to these creators of religion should be taken with a grain of salt. A false story with a good message is still something to think about and take value from.
We can provide secular versions of all the good parts of religion with absolutely zero issues. So we can live seeking truth we can actually prove while not having to delude ourselves about some magic bullshit.
I am an athiest, Religion is fine to me, people can believe in what they believe and use their religion to encourage the acts of good deeds. what i DONT LIKE is people who try to push their religion on other people and get mad when theu dont beleive in their things
Millions of believers are a cushion and a confidence boost to the extremists among them. Don't believe for a second I didn't affect matters in a negative direction when I was meek and mild religious believer.
Noone is a harmless believer.
It's safe to say religious people need serious help
robin baby and let's start by helping you!! You religious Atheist nut.
Rosanna Miller How can one be religious and atheist at the same time?
Best thing would be to stop them from breeding and passing their faulty genes on to the next generation. The Bible instructs them to breed and populate the entire planet which is why we have such a big problem now. I'm just kidding, but I do wonder if some people are just mentally incapable of rational thought.
N B Ask Christians, they’ll tell you.
Rosanna Miller hahah atheism isn’t a religion. Every normal homo sapien knows that
I used to believe in God until I became an adult
I used to believe in God until I met someone who didn't
It is always nice to play pretend, but one day its time for people to grow up.
@Sonny
Yep, that sounds *EXACTLY COMMON*
That pattern has played itself out for *MOST ADULTS* , and then they wake up *AS A F*CKED UP ADULT* and realize something very *WRONG*
you are preaching to the choir
Ok, God is still real
8000 Thumbs up, 2000 thumbs down... there is hope for humanity : )
Sadly, you have it backward.
+Rohan Zener I pray you will find it in your heart to love people, Rohan ... Including yourself. We have all been hurt. Some just use that hurt as motivation to help others wounded souls. You might find your purpose in life by changing your perspective... God bless you!
yeah because atheists have a great track record as humanitarians.
+Brad Saint George dont count your blessings ;) most of them wil never see this clip because they are in the bubble ;)
+Michael G so it should be "stupid people are incredibly religious"?
WHAT?! Santa doesn't exist?!?!
SANTA IS A SAINT, SAINT NICHOLAS. HE CAME WITH GIFTS FOR CHILDREN.
wow this vid is old, but very well said. the only thing keeping people from leaving their bubble is dissonance
As a deconverting christian, I needed to hear this. Thanks :)
I love this video. Every single person I have ever met is inside the Christianity bubble (including Catholics). If one person wants to convert to atheism, this is the first video that I will ever show them. Or if I get into an argument over religion. I´ll still show them this video.
If this guy has all the answers claiming he is sane I wonder how he will answer how he gets right with God if there is a God in his theology
Convert to atheism, how ironic.
I think you could have done a better job with this video. You made a lot of assumptions (many of which I agree with, but you didn't justify or explain them in this video), you often assert that all these beliefs are false because "We all know magic isn't real", and your presentation style/tone would never hold a Christian viewer.
This is to light a fire and get people to think, not prove religion wrong in one fell swoop. Besides, all the extra details don't matter to religious people.
***** lol saying all religious people are ignorant stubborn and narrow-minded
Yes, sunlight/daylight (opening ones eyes) does have a tendency of killing off detrimental and harmful life forms.
Helen Shwery They are... I lived with them for 25 years.
Magic is REAL!
All books are man made
some are fiction some are
important and real
but people write books everyday
always a book for sale
In theory this is great.. showing the flaws of some religion to help show their religion is flawed..
but unfortunately it won't reach any religious person.. they stopped the video after the first 10 seconds where they are called delusional.
You won't cure an addict by starting the conversation with calling them an addict.. focus on the hurt or the path, not their current insanity.
I'm a Christian and I watched the entire video. I don't consider my self religious but it defiantly has reach some people, now I can use the same logic he uses to proved atheism delusional things too, so it kinda did not work for me
@@dickersoncharlie4961 i was heavily generalizing, but that you're the first to comment with even an attempt at a retort in 9 years is a little striking. ;)
I want to confirm what this video was saying. I was a Mormon for more than two decades. I did the experiment the Mormon missionaries ask you to do, and I prayed about it. I had a religious experience, and received what I accepted as witness from God. Moreover, I heard a voice claim something was absolutely true, and the conviction that it was true entered my mind, moving into the core of my personality.
From that point on, everything I encountered was filtered by that experience. It was a delusion. I now believe that the experience was self-created so that I could receive the benefits of the Mormon lifestyle. and I did, I had a great marriage, raised a posse of kids, worked very hard, and was very happy.
Now that my kinds are grown and my wife has died, I had an experience where I broke free from the delusion. I felt it when it left me. It was a very odd sensation. It was the hardest thing I ever did. I am not as happy now as I was before, but I would rather know the truth. I was never comfortable having to deal with the ancient cultural restrictions from the Bible, and glad to be rid of it.
I still keep the health laws taught by Mormons, and I am single and not sexually active. But I am free to decide my own politics, especially when it comes to sexual taboos, sexual orientation and gender identity.
I am still a theist, but I don't belief any religion is true or could be true. God is personal, and no one has the right to ascribe a religious practice for someone other than themselves. My God is where I go when I need comfort, confirmation or an idea. Perhaps one day I might change my mind about his existence, but I have had a relationship with him for so long that I would miss him too much if I let go of him now.
For now, it is enough to discard religion. And the vast knowledge I have concerning Mormonism could be useful in helping others to make the transition out.
The thing that triggered my escape from my delusion was an article about a Man named Hans Matteson. I had always thought I was strong in my faith, and so I had no reticence in exposing myself to things that appeared counter to what I thought was true. Hans Matteson was an Area Authority in the Mormon church. As a result, members would bring concerns to him concerning conflicts that they experienced. There were 3 common topics: The translation of the Book of Abraham from an Egyptian papyrus, Polygamy, and Joseph Smith's seer stone.
So I decided to study more on these 3 topics.
The conflict concerning the translation of the Book of Abraham is that current day Egyptologist translate the papyrus very differently than Joseph Smith did. I resolved this in my mind by discovering an article in the Times and Seasons newspaper, where I found an article written by Oliver Cowdery, who was one of the founders of the Mormon church. In that article, Oliver mentions that there were 2 papyrus rolls. We only have one, so the extra information that Joseph has in the Book of Abraham must have come from the missing papyrus. No more conflict. However, when I attempted to tell Mormon authorities about it, they were completely uninterested in what I found. The official position of the Mormon church is that the Book of Abraham should be treated as if it was revealed to Joseph Smith without the medium of written characters on paper. This astounded me.
Concerning Polygamy, my mind was already comfortable with it. But as I studied it, it was the implementation of Polygamy that shocked me. It was kept secret. People were tricked into committing to do it before they knew what it was. I was really angered by Joseph Smith's behavior with this. A high ranking Mormon leader finally stood up to Joseph Smith, and that leader was excommunicated. He created a newspaper with the help of other Ex-Mormons and Non-Mormons called the Nauvoo Expositor. The first issue laid out all the tings that Joseph had done secretly. As a result, as Mayor of Nauvoo, Joseph Smith and the city council voted to destroy the Printing Press. As the General of the Nauvoo Militia, Joseph Smith ordered the destruction. Joseph Smith was jailed because he violated the constitution of the United States, by denying people their right to a free press. The townspeople rose up and assassinated him. Joseph Smith is not a religious martyr, he was a tyrant.
Yet this was not enough to have me deny that Joseph Smith was a prophet. I had to go one step further
The thrid item was that there are two ways that the gold plates were translated into English text: the "interpreter" and a seer stone. Most Mormons only know about the "interpreters", which is erroneously called a Urim and Thumim. The seer stone method of translation was where Joseph Smith had a stone which he claimed allowed him to sense where things were buried underground. He used this to help people look for buried treasure or decide where to dig wells. When he used it to translate the book of Mormon, he put it into a hat, then put his face into the hat to block out the light. In the darkness, he would see the words of the English translation of the Gold Plates, and he would read them aloud to a scribe. Two of the scribe, Emma Smith, Joseph's wife, and Martin Harris, gave testimony concerning how the translation was done, and what they described was the seer stone method of translating. The remaining scribe, Oliver Cowdery, remained completely silent on how the translation was done. Joseph Smith said that the Angel Moroni took the "interpreters" back after Martin Harris lost the translation manuscript, and added that the rest of the translation was done using the seer stone. So it seems that the "interpreters" were never used.
The interpreters never existed. They were described like a pair of spectacles with crystals like diamonds for lenses. However, the interpreters did not just give the translation with no effort on the wearer of the spectacles. the translators was expected to reaspon the translation out in his mind, and the interpreters would tell him when he got it correct. Then the text of the Book of Mormon would be told in Joseph's use of language, and not God's use of language. This was an "alternate history" which Joseph Smith fabricated to explain the thousands of grammatical errors in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. These grammatical errors were "rural English", such as: I were a going to where they was, which I not ought to do, ...
God had told the Three witnesses of the Book of Mormon that the translation was correct. If the Book was written using the seer stone, then God was at fault for the bad grammar. If the Book was translated suing the interpreters, then Joseph Smith was at fault for the bad grammar. When I realized that Joseph Smith was willing to rewrite history for his own convenience and marketing of the church, it was all over for me. I could then see my delusion for what it was
+Joseph Knight That was very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
I wish more Mormons would overcome the indoctrination, but unfortunately most religious people will live their entire lives deluded. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones in the minority
I came out Atheist to my family. My Mother saw it coming. I was always asking questions, shaking my head, had trouble swallowing the bullshit. I laid out my case, explained the delusion of 'believing' in any god and the ridiculousness of Christianity. She said: "Okay. Fine. You don't believe in God ... That does not mean you're _ATHEIST!"_ --- Yes Mom, it does.
That was the Summer of 1977. Was certain of my position yet, felt utterly alone. I knew not one other atheist, other than from books. Felt banished and isolated, yet could not help what I knew was true. Dumping religion is so much easier now.
"Millions of Mormons live inside a Mormon bubble of delusion". Best line in the video! 😂🤣😂
This message is both good and important, though I would suggest it can be both written and delivered with less trauma to the patient. As with all psychological disorders, the patient has to WANT to heal, and a little compassion can go a long way to achieving this prerequisite.
Any adult that believes in an invisible being with magical powers, is delusional.
No, you're the one who is delusional for believing that we came from nothing.
Excellent. Glad I got out of the last bubble a few decades ago!
my beliefs might seem delusional, but at least I don't get to live my life believing "Life sucks, and then you die." That's depressing.
seem, is the wrong word, by definition they are delusions.
btw that's not depressing, hell is. could you imagine if you went to hell as the only Christian in your family and know that your mom, dad, siblings, and all your other relatives are being punished forever.
"an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder."
So you trick yourself just to live a better life in a lie?
@Jonqen Unfortunately, I think a lot of Christians just can't bear to come to terms with their own mortality and the fact that when they die, they will again return to the 'state' they were in before they were born. And what's depressing about that, once you come to accept it? Were you unhappy before you came into existence? No, you didn't feel a thing. Like a peaceful sleep. That's why I say to actually live the life YOU want to live instead of basing it off of ancient myth, because that's all I think we really have. But it's a beautiful life, and I'm content with it.
Although I have a college education in a natural science, I was a Christian until 2 days ago. It was driving me nuts trying to reconcile religious explanation with reliable facts.
every christian should see this
Almost all xians would think this was ridiculous. They would think that, even though the other religions are delusional, *THEIR'S* is exempt and they will justify their beliefs with wild, crazy nonsense.
Keith Pinster unfortunately yes, that happens
Keith Pinster Love the use of Xtian. I've been doing the same as a take-off on XMAS. If the x is good enough for their biggest holiday, it is good enough for daily use.
Steven Bradley Thanks. It's my little way of refusing to show them the respect that they don't deserve. :)
Kilju Pullo why? It won't change those who have wisdom or those who won't blindly follow a delusional person like the Atheist calling all Christians delusional. Lol
to all bible thumpers typing furious replies : NO, Atheism is *not* a religion.
Just like not collecting stamps is not a hobby.
Thank you.
They're too dumb to understand
This is a terrible way to convert people by insisting they are delusional over and over again and calling them unhealthy. Yes religion slows down the progress of humanity and yes it can be dangerous but as you stated they deeply believe it they have bin indoctrenated since they were little and just showing the flaws in their religion isnt going to convert them. Calling people delusional and unhealthy because of something they deeply believe is going to make them not listen.
religion doesn't slow down "humanity", it does slow down "humanism".
4everalive1 how about people who get a bad education? or non at all? like all the people in the islamic worlds women don't go to school limiting world progress. in america people are indoctrenated with christianity, and they deny scientific facts that limits them from having a good education. And the wars over religion? Does that not slow down the progress of humanity?
***** there is no progress of humanity, what you call progress is only change, humans haven't progressed, we are the same people as we were 3000 yrs ago. we have different ways of obtaining the necessities of life but we still need them. we still get sick, hungry, and cold, just as they did. we still have to work for all of the things we need, just as they did. what progress have we made if we have the same needs as our ancestors? no, what religion does is hinder humanism, the idea that there is no higher authority than ourselves, that we can depend only on our own abilities to solve our problems. which we have failed at time and again. we don't solve problems we only exchange one problem for another.
4everalive1 humanity makes cultural, scientific and social progress. not biological progress i never claimed that infact we are devolving because natural selection has bin stopped.
and through this scientific progress we may be able to develop biologically.
while this is true, it also true that they are delusional lol
You cannot reason people out of beliefs they were not reasoned into. This video will convince ZERO Christians change their minds.
+Walter Strong Yep.
It's a good vid, but i don't think anyone who's not already an unbeliever will be convinced.
+Walter Strong That's not true. I became a Christian when I was 5 years old. Obviously at age 5, it wasn't reason that convinced or persuaded me to "accept Jesus into my heart." But, fast-forward to age 19. Logic and Reason begin a 16 year process of kicking my ass until, at age 35, I finally admitted to myself that the Bible is not true. I've been good friends with Logic and Reason ever since.
Thank you.
+Walter Strong I wasn´t reasoned into Christianity, but i was reasoned out of it. So it can and will happen.
+joseph crosby mecham I look forward to it.
The death throes of religion are going to kill a LOT of people though.
That part's not going to be fun :(
I came to watch this video thinking it would shake my faith. Nothing I haven't heard before. Maybe next time my friend!
Preaching In The Wilderness I honestly feel bad for those who don’t believe. They will live their life as a cosmic accident from nothing. It’s funny everything has a purpose grass, the sun, trees, birds, a pencil etc except for a atheist lol
This person engaged in some logical fallacies. He begins with the premise that all religions are false, a genetic fallacy and also a broad generalization implying that if 2 religions are false, the third, and all others, are also false. One can't do that without falling into errors in reasoning and logic.
When he compared these first 2 religions, he chose 2 incidents which were singular in nature, no witnesses. But, when he discussed Christianity, he inferred there were no witnesses to the miracles nor were there any witnesses to the resurrection. In fact there were many witnesses to the miracles and resurrection; there are written records from those who were witnesses. Hence he is guilty of the logical fallacy of a false analogy. In order to prove his point that there were no witnesses to the resurrection, he needs to demonstrate that the accounts which exist are either faulty or fallacious. In fact the names of many people are used who could verify the accuracy of the written records. He also ignores the point that none of the critics at the time deny the empty tomb. All they did was try to explain away the empty tomb. He doesn't even bother to do that much. All he says is that it is delusional to think such things could happen.
He argues from the point that Christianity must be fallacious, gives no evidence to support his claim, and then uses his claim as proof that he is right. In other words he uses his premise in the conclusion, circular reasoning. For example; miracles are impossible, the resurrection of Jesus is a miracle, since miracles are impossible the resurrection never occurred.
Not very well done. Too many holes in his arguments. Too many unsupported assumptions. To many errors in reasoning and logic.
The Christian Absurdity:
Well there's this guy right, we'll call him the 'creator' and what he did was, he created a man out of nothing in his own image (I know right, this is why he is love). And because he was lonely and all that shit, he ripped out a rib of his perfect man (made in his own image) and made a woman. Like there was no one standing there at all, and then poof all of a sudden a man and a woman, fully grown ready to have sex.
Anyway, the reason why this is all true and everything is not just because of that damn book (where this creator told us all he did this), but because I love him more than my own kids. Like when your baby is first born and you say Wow I love my baby BUT not as much as I love this creator guy, because he gave me sin (2000 years ago, and every person before that burns in hell of course, or is in limbo). And because I'm scared of his almighty powers and shit, THAT's why its all true, and that's why I love him more than my family or anyone, and that's why because he told me in text that I must believe this (without the tiniest bit of evidence OR reasoning) or else bad shit will happen to me, because I'm a sinner and I really should hate myself, until I'm dead in (mythical) heaven, THAT's all the reasons why I love him. I wish he was here for me to hug him, I mean my baby would be put on the floor that second, because I love the creator more and I want to tell the world this.
Can a Christian here please confirm THAT's what they believe over the fact of evolution?
I want to be quite clear here, that THIS is what they are arguing for all the time. :)
Ideally read it twice to make perfectly sure you fully agree with that nonsense, I mean feeling.
You asked for a Christian to answer your question.
You asked if we believe the fact of evolution over the Bible story and I want to give my honest opinion on it.
First, real quick, you told some things that are biblically untrue/things that was not even found in the Bible. Like limbo, that word or place does not appear one time so I can't believe it's real.
Now, to answer 100% honestly, wether I believe the Bible or the fact of evolution more. I don't believe eitehr of them fully, yet at the same time I can look at both of them and see some truth in them. I don't believe the Genesis story in the bible, I also don't believe how they say evolution began 2 billions years ago.
I say this both about the Genesis in the Bible and evolution because both of them have logical gaps found in them and both of them we will truly never know how it began or worked.
Basically they are all theories people came up with trying to make since of something we do not fully understand.
Now I believe it does not really matter how we got here wether it gets evolution/natural selection/creation/aliens brought us to earth/ or any other ideology that explains how we are here.
We are here and we should and we should have a nice time.
Have any questions?
Also, I don't know if your lying on purpose but Christians don't argue what you said about the bible Wich has many unbibical things in it. I been around Christians and I never heard them say that, including my self.
@@dickersoncharlie4961 Thanks for your response of my 6 years ago post.
When you said you don't know if it's evolution (and you said it's only a theory, not science truth of course) or if it were aliens that brought life here 3.5 billion years ago (not 2 B).
That's about abiogenesis!
It has zero to do with evolution.
By the way I think you got mixed up with approx. 200,000 years of human species, but 3.5 billion years of known life on Earth.
People who still don't accept evolution (let's face it, it's due to religous beliefs) really aren't worth arguing with.
We have more knowledge of evolution than we do of gravity!
And a scientific theory is not a personal theory. A scientific theory must be based of known facts. Anyway it's patronising to tell any adult this.
Abiogenesis is unknown.
But it's not spooky unknown, definitely not. We have about 10 leading hypithesies on it, none include fairies, or Gods done it. You know why? Because no known evidence of fairies or Gods - NONE.
The steps are:
Show a God is possible.
THEN show it was the Christian God.
THEN show it created stuff.
All 3 not done by anyone!
It saddens me you don't or partly don't accept evolution. In my view its merely a lack of knowledge you have (that we could resolve). But the issue is clearly your religous beliefs, this is causing you to remain wilfully ignorant, and that's a shame.
I was going to end there, but I'll throw something in.
It could have been a God, yep who knows what caused Abiogenesis (Although scientists state they should have the answer in a decade, and science predictions DO come true).
But yep it could have been a God BUT the time to believe that is after the evidence and/or reasoning is shown, of course!
@@kimsland999 you told me that it saddens you that I don't or partly except evolution
It's not that I don't accept it. I just don't accept it 100% because there are parts that don't really make since and a couple logic gaps I know. I'm also like that with the Bible and being a Christian, I see things like the Adam and Eve story and see logic gaps and I choose not to believe it.
I do know certain principles of evolution are right and correct, I took honors biology in highschool and they taught me about biology and I studied about it and If I recall I got a B on that test over it, so it's not that I'm "willfuling ignorant" I'm just being honest. I don't 100% trust everything in evolution or bible.
In my opinion, I put enough effort and time into studying evolution (I know a lot of people would just blow it off and say it's non since) shows that I'm not trying to be "willing ignorant". I just know both views have flaws in them.
Since I'm acknowledging neither one of the other is 100% right talking about things we don't know for a fact makes me pretty sensible. So don't be sad for me, I have a fair amount of intelligence. I don't know everything but I know a little.
@@kimsland999 also do you believe in or think abiogenesis is ture? I heard of it on RUclips but I just told my self it goes against a principle of biological science I learned in honors bio so I did not really take it seriously.
Lets start with the problems listed at the end. Problem 1) Makes people superstitious. Umm, so what? If prayer has no effect, but it makes the person feel better, then who cares? It doesn't hurt our species. Problem 2) people believe its OK to die. So what? If you don't believe in Heaven, then you should be glad that they are dying and strengthening the gene pool. Problem 3) Belief that the world will be destroyed. It will be. Stars eventually die. the only hope for our species is to build a star ship.
Now, my problem with this video. 1) You can use words like "magical" to make anything sound stupid. Here's a story: Once upon a time there was nothing. Then there was this MAGICAL flash of light where all matter was made. One giant rock had a unique mixture of primordial ooze that when combined with zappy flashes in the sky created a living creature. Over many many years, these creatures became more and more intelligent and shape-shifted into thousands of forms! None of these oddly shaped beings knew of their origin until the sorcerers looks through their MAGICAL "telescopes" and used magical calculations to discover all sorts of information about that first magical flash of light which they then called "The Big Bang"
Here's the deal. There is evidence, then there is how evidence is interpreted. No one is delusional, they just interpret evidence differently than you. That doesn't make them bad for the species. It might make them wrong, but jumping to a conclusion that all people should be healed from their religion is extremely ignorant.
Yes, religion has caused wars, but it has also given to the poor, built orphanages, and to this day continues to provide more food and shelter in the US for needy people than any other organization. If that's bad for humanity, then I'd rather be an ant.
Religiousness is not genetic and even if it was, do you really think anyone should be glad people die for the sake of gene pool. You're an idiot.
Everyone knows the world will probably be destroyed, but Christians think it will be very soon, so they don't bother to preserve the enviroment for the future and then we are all fucked. Also, the only hope is to build a spaceship? You're an idiot.
When someone uses a telescope, and you say they used magical "telescope" is completely different then when someone comes back from dead without any naturally explainable methods and in fact AGAINST all natural biological processes. That is magic, because claims not to be natural. And if you think telescopes are magical, then you're an idiot.
There are people who look at the evidence and interpret it as if the Earth is flat. Not delusional, you say? Very well. Do you think people like this should be shown the error of their thinking?
Religious organization have done charity work, true. Secular organizations have, too. Ever heard of Red Cross? But do you know have many children die every day, because religious people will not allow stem cell research, that would eventually cure these diseases? And why do they not allow it? No reason, except those that come from religion. How many child lives would you say religion is worth? A million? How many children should die before you reconsider the benevolence of religion? Or maybe you need for your child to die before you start thinking?
I thinking some of my sarcasm did not show through my writing, and for that I apologize. I was trying to exaggerate flaws in the logical arguments the video made. My personal belief is that no matter your choice of religion/agnosticism/atheism etc Humans should be showing love to other humans. That is what my religion teaches. I'm not perfect at it, but its my main goal. I apologize if I offended you or came off as an idiot. I assure you neither were my intention.
but, in the bible, the things are magical because they have never actually been seen and we have no proof or scientific evidence that they exist. telescopes were made by humans, sp therefore you can't call them magical and make it sound dumb that way. and with the big bang, it also wasn't magical because it got to such a hot dense state that it expanded, like when you shake a can of soda and it bubbles up. nothing proven by science is magical, however in these stories none of what's said can be proven, and the things that happened are literally impossible in the world, so they are 'magical'
also, they were explaining how your context of sarcasm is invalid because of things that have been proven. if anything we thing you are stupid, just for your poor use of sarcasm.
Hitler was an athiest
Wow this is still around. I remember watching this when it first came out in 06. The video and argument was well made and one of my favorites vids of this topic back in the day.
Same. That is thing about the truth isn't it?
Thank you for a great video! Very thought-provoking.
The goal is to eventually navigate the heavens and live forever in paradise. We will only be able to achieve this through our ability to reason.
Intellect will be our salvation if we are to survive.
Religion conditions us to think we have all the answers stifling cultivation of the intellect. When we have answers we don't need questions. Questions lead to truth, understanding, and progress. Religion is the biggest impediment to mankind's progress, quality of life and survival.
I agree that True Christianity is a bubble of sorts. I think its important to note that this bubble, this faith in God that I have cannot possibly be burst, no matter how many cartoons and insults you create to degrade my relationship to the one true God, who is Jesus, the Christ of God. It's in poor taste to speak for me, portraying me as someone who looks at others in the degrading manner as you. I do not love my sin, so I ask Gods forgiveness and empowerment over that sin through the indwelling of His Holy Spirit. The life I live demonstrates Gods will and love for mankind. So, be a nice humanist, why don't you, and quit wasting your time feeding your own pride by belittling others and robbing God of the glory due to His name. Jesus died for all, He conquered death and Hell and is coming back to judge the world in righteousness and truth. I love Jesus. He is worthy.
+Daniel Hulse The only one wasting their time is you. You can't possibly believe that there were once talking donkeys and a talking snake. You have just proven how delusional you are, congratulations.
+Daniel Hulse Daniel, what you believe is fine. That's your choice and right. However, also realise that we have the right to call your expressed beliefs a load of demonstrable nonsense which should have died centuries ago.
Atheism should have died centuries ago? If anything religion should have died decades ago, and actually religion in the United States is dying and atheism is rising, why? because people are seeing the evidence. People are finally seeing that religion is just mythology.
He is not speaking for you. If you believe in this "true Christianity" you are by definition excluding Islam and Mormonism unless you are saying they are true christians but don't know it. Stop being offended by strawmen and you might learn something
I played this in my shul last weekend. The congregation had lots of laughs.
Thank you, for saying what many of us wish we had the balls to tell everyone around us that is delusional.
The 2nd m in mormon is a typo.
Religion is a dark psychology
lol I like how aggressive the narrator is. genius.
Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.
Theism encourages ignorance and blocks the aquition of knowledge.
selsuru
So you must be a theist. Because what you said is completely ignorant.
Not theism itself: but specifically religion.
Theism is a broader propositional term to the nature of our existence. The universe itself is alive and is aware of itself through us. Religion is about moral separating, magical super intelligences that demand worship and give a fuck about what only one universal species and their own little individual prayers.
Belief is benign until religion.
There is no room in religion for propositional logical belief; only submission to false made up knowledge.
There is no need for accountability in illogical belief systems.
I'm here to spectate the wars lol
+Riley Aaron No war here; the truth always wins out in the end. There's no competition.
Have you not read the comments?
U r gay
***** Ah, Pascal's wager. Never heard that one before. I mean, really creative there. There wasn't even a name for it until you! XD
The Flying Spaghetti Monster has a beer volcano. I'll take that over harps and sitting around on clouds any day, so Pascal's wager demands that I convert to Pastafarianism immediately.
Please wiki it as it is a very good read. I will not worship a book god out of fear. I have read the bible as a christian and when it became time to question its validity. It is a huge fail. I now have peace, something I never knew. Best to you and yours Ms. Kay. Take care.
belaireguy411 I'm confused a bit here, I think. Are you contacting me as a christian or as an atheist? I'm an atheist sooooooo
Sami Kay Do you worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or are you one of those blasphemers who follows the Invisible Pink Unicorn? If the latter, then I will have to declare Jihad on you and your family. Sorry.
Paul T Sjordal Neither the former nor the later, as there is no evidence for either beings. Of course, if I could choose I would love a beer volcano.
I’ve gone Atheist just over a couple of years ago. I don’t regret my decision, not one bit.
I believe in tooth fairy,
does that count for anything.
Very ironically, this reminds me of the lectures hardcore religious people give you to try and pull you into their religion. ''You're in the wrong'' , 'We're trying to help you to see the truth'' . very very ironic.
I'm an atheist and I agree with what the video means, but you are right. This video sounds just like an autoritarian christian lecture. If I ever make a video about atheism I'd like to go at it more gently.
yes those atheists can be as dogmatic as anyone else, LOL
***** Its not about hurting anyone, or brainwashing anyone, its about teaching basic reasoning skills to people who are crippled by brainwashed parents. People need to be able to exist without being on their knees in worship to magical forces if we ever want to progress as a species.
CuteCatBoy CRONGRATS, well sayed !! (have a nice day)
Teaching someone to think critically and trying to indoctrinate them are two completely different things. It's very sad that you don't understand this.
I believe in life after death but nothing biblical. We cannot disprove that life after death exists.
You need to do some homework on Logical Reasoning.
YouDontKnowSponge, you also can't prove that leprechauns don't exist. But I don't waste my time chasing rainbows looking for their pot of gold.
What part of you would remain alive after death? The mind is generated be the activity of the brain. All of the information stored there will be gone when the brain stops.
@@hexasides6411 Excatly! Even if reincarnation is true, I am not sure I want to live through lives again and again and again and again... I have had my share of misery in this life!
TheSocratesian he’s just worried about what comes after death
How come I haven't heard of you before this? You are so terrific. Thanks!!!
I see what you're doing here....However, if you want to go deeper down the rabbit hole, one could argue that it's impossible to know if anything at all is real [so in a sense, we are all delusional in our own ways], and so why not just delude yourself so you are happy and peaceful, even if it is hogwash. Perhaps pick up "An Intro to Epistemology" book or "A Philosophy of Religion" book.
+Jeremy Smith Actually the problem of evil is that evil actually exists. Kids get raped, people get brutally murdered, these are evil acts to the core.
Michael Jourdan Go read "The Problem of Pain" by C.S. Lewis and "If God Is Good" by Randy Alcorn. You'll be very well-equipped having done so to grapple these subjects with a very informed perspective.
birdorienteering if you consider we live in the real world where we can observe facts, some things are delusional in that they are unsupported. it's not hard.
You 911 guys are a little off topic. Send private messages. Excellent video. Did this make any christians pause? Deconvert? It seemed persuasive to me.
It's so dumb HAHAHAHA 😁😁
Mish mosh of NON-CHRISTIAN UNBIBLICAL, NOT HISTORICAL ACCURATE..... a mess
Easy to twist NON-FACTS into even more confusing NON-FACTS and then pass it off as TRUTH
#FAKENEWS
It's a lie that there's *NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* of Jesus
Every *IVY LEAGUE* University in the world has *PROVEN THE ACCURATE HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS OF THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS OF NAZARETH & COPIOUS HISTORICAL WRITINGS FROM ROMAN EMPERORS CHRONICLING HIS MIRACLES*
Yale University said that anybody denying the *HISTORICAL JESUS* is either insane, or ignorant of historical facts.....or are #FAKENEWS
@@freegracecommunity jesus 👏 or 👏 god 👏 doesnt 👏 exist 👏 please 👏 get 👏 help
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster & his son, Cheesus!!! RA'MEN!!!
Religious people are varying degrees of faithful. When atheists show their true numbers, it makes the uncertain ones, more willing to be on our side of logic.
alexay lopez "you all suck" I could be wrong but isn't that what Jesus said when he was hanging on the cross?
Jay Kline That's great! You made my day. That's way better than "I can see your house from up here"
Jesus said forgive them for they don't know what they are doing.
Jay Kline
Jesus said forgive them for they don't know what they are doing.
Where's the proof?
Gene O'Brien:Luke 23:34
I have no understanding of how Christians and believers are ruining society, never have I as a Christian, tried to ruin society with my belief. Many of us forget that whether Jesus was real or not, his teachings were that of love and selflessness. Matthew 5:39 "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." The teachings of Jesus tell us that in no circumstances should we fight fire with fire. If someone disagrees with us, do not judge them, if they hate you, or say "I am greater than you," you don't say to them "No, I am as great, or greater than you," instead you say, "That is right, you ARE greater than me." Christianity has historically bread morals into society for generations, and while Christians can be pompous, selfish, and entirely contradictory to Christ's teachings, Christianity isn't.
Jesus created the famous golden rule, "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you." You wish to be treated with respect, love, friendship, and dignity, so be the change you wish to see in people, and treat OTHERS that way, and if they treat you the opposite in return, if they instead push you, and spit on you, that doesn't matter, continue to hold them above you.
Jesus taught us to strive to reclaim the innocence of our childhood, children know only love and play, and their minds are not yet tempted by temptations of the flesh which corrupt people, Jesus said "Truly I say to you, unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven." Sometimes, because of human nature, we can't meet up to these goals, so Jesus gives us infinite chances as long as we repent, and stick steadfast to his word, because his forgiveness is infinite. Jesus has bread passionate, God loving, God fearing people into this world, who believe and have faith in him, and because of the fact that THEY believe that someone gave their life for them so that they could be with God, they try everyday to shape themselves into a better person than who they were the day before. So this video is meaningless, there are loads of videos like it, they have done nothing to change people's faith, and these videos only cause people to be sad or angry, this video is about losing hope in God, and seeking immorality and modern liberalism, it is about ignorantly denying God, even though there is no evidence that there absolutely is none, and it is trying to walk on people's faith and freedom. Quite frankly, this video is insulting and controversial, just like this videos proclaims Christians are, in the end, this video is hypocritical, and whoever created it, should have thought before making it, because they could have just left it alone, and allowed people to continue believing in whatever they wish.
***** I am sorry, but I follow from the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels. Can you read to me a quote that Jesus makes, telling people to kill native Americans? Let alone "colored people?" Behold! You can't my friend, because there is no such quote, and Jesus never spoke of people with "color to their skin," because the skin color of a human being is insignificant, and meaningless to him, and should be to anyone who is a TRUE Christian. If you kill other humans, you are contradicting the TEACHINGS of The Bible, Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder." Pretty simple
And yes, do you not know that Christianity has done plenty of good things? Christianity BIRTHED the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Christian preacher. Nelson Mandela was a Christian, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela lead to the end of Apartheid in South Africa. Christianity, ages ago, ended the murder of slaves in the coliseums in Rome, and later ended the Roman empire itself. Christianity even lead to healthcare for the masses, and education for the common people. Christianity has bread morals into generations of people regardless of the color of their skin, and generations of people have been raised Christians, and Jesus has spiritually lifted up, and IS lifting up plenty of people. Christianity makes people happy, and it only does good, he who is Christian, and kills another, has commit a sin, and has become separate from God. Jesus wishes for all people to reclaim the innocence of their childhood. Matthew 18:3 "Truly I say to you, unless you change and become like the LITTLE CHILDREN, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
***** The Bible does not condone slavery, slavery was in place at that time in history. And people who were poor sometimes sold themselves as slaves so they could have food and shelter. Nowhere in the Bible does God say, "I God condone all forms of slavery."
Instead, The Bible explicitly states that you cannot steal and sell people as slaves, like what happened in Africa. “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16) That was the law in the Old Testament. Besides, the NEW TESTAMENT says THIS about slaves. Ephesians 6:9 "Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites." Slavery was a historical thing, that God didn't condone, however it simply was. However was not the entire Exodus about God FREEING SLAVES? Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
***** I have already heard about the theory that Krishna is God, yet he is not. "Christ" is Greek for "Anointed one" or "Messiah." And I did not want an argument, you didn't have to reply to my original comment. And, I am okay, I am a Christian, not a Hindu. The word 'Krishna' literally means "black," and he is known as being 'dark' and 'handsome.' There are hardly and parallels between Krishna and Jesus. Krishna was the 8th son of Vasudeva and Devaki, the name of their FIRST son was "Kirtiman." Jesus was born of a Virgin. The celebration of Krishna’s birthday is one of the most prominent festivals in India, which takes place in the late summer or early fall, Jesus's TRUE birth is unknown, but is celebrated in the winter (December 25th). Krishna died when the hunter Jara shot him in the sole of his foot, Jesus was crucified (because crucifixion historically took place at that time in the Roman empire.) Krishna died not for our sins but in fulfillment of two curses made against him and his clan, first: the curse of the widow Gandhari, for not stopping the battle in which her husband Dhritarashtra died,12 and second, the curse of the Brahmanas, for a stunt Krishna’s son, Samba, played on some holy men. However Jesus died for our sins. Jesus instructed his disciples to teach the gentiles (non-Jews [Krishna wasn't a Jew]) of the Gospel. And the teachings of Hinduism are very different from those of Christianity. Besides, how would Jews from Jerusalem have learned of a pagan faith from India?
***** Actually, there are more historical mentions of Jesus than their are of even Tiberius Caesar. Within 100 years of his death, he was written about by Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, he was written about by the Jewish scribes in The Babylonian Talmud (a book used by Orthodox Jews almost like a second bible), he was written about in other non-messianic Jewish texts, he was written about by Lucian of Samosata (a Greek satirist). And as I pointed out before, he is nothing like Krishna.
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Living in the bubble is also called compartmentalization, so you could be a christian brain surgeon, but you keep your religious beliefs in a separate "compartment" to your rational/logical/common sense thinking.
But if one knows they are compartmentalizing, then it doesn't sound like a very honest way of looking at reality, one is lying to themselves in some sense, or is afraid of what will happen if they took an honest look at their beliefs.
They can keep it in a different compartment, but that's when some religious people prevent their children from going to the doctor and end up dying..then it's hardly compartmentalization.
Outstanding, now if it was only mandatory for all kids 16 years of age to watch.
Wouldn’t that be indoctrination…
This video is so pathetic 😂 such broad assertions and misrepresentations. I have literally no respect for atheism. Like seriously take a philosophy class or something. We utilize and interact with transcendental aspects of the universe daily. Numbers are a fine example, numbers have no basis in physical reality, yet we utilize them constantly. Mathematic principles aren't created they're discovered. Even your precious logic and reason are principals that govern the intelligibility of our universe. yet they have no basis in physical reality our reality is just a mesh of bumping particles a wave states that our senses decode into our visible light spectrum. physical matter is literally just a single snapshot frame of a continually changing Feild of energy. It's light energy condensed into a pattern, and that pattern transcends all space and time. Everything in our universe is a dance of energy mimicking the eternal forms. And the fact that we have personhood means the first cause would have eternal personhood otherwise there would be no form of personhood for our universe of dancing particles and wave states to form itself into. the face that we can have relationships with one another means the first cause would be relationship (the Trinity) otherwise there would be no form of relationship for our universe of bumping particles and wave states to form into.
"Why doesn't God heal amputees?"
This question implies you know the history of every claimed miraculous event and every claim of God healing amputees and have proven every claim false. There are countless stories of God healing amputees but you will automatically discount them without looking into them because they go against your narrative. So it's a question with a built in assumption that assumption being there have been no reported cases ever of God healing amputees.
Almost every religion claims Jesus as one of there own. For the Muslims he's a prophet and did miracles for the Buddhist he is an avatar of the universe like Buddha and did miracles. For the Mormons Jesus was the son of God and did miracles. For the occultists Jesus was a high level occultist trained in Egypt and did miracles. Nearly everyone in the world believes Jesus lived and did miracles there is almost no disputing that. Even the historic record shows Jesus lived performed miracles, died on a cross and appeared to his followers again alive after his death. This is in the historic record. You can deny it philosophically but historically it a set in stone fact. Jesus really is the sticking point for almost everyone
Amen brother
Nothing quite like word salad to make you think you're genuinely saying something intelligent.
@@vgsdomingo1 PAIN
@@Greenfellow-uh8dl You said something just as unintelligent with just one word. Bravo sir!
@@vgsdomingo1 You're telling me that just because I said pain means that I'm a 5 year old?
Fallacy of false analogy since the book of Mormon and Islam are both tales told by one man and they don't include public events but private conversations with angels. Jesus is recorded in history by many authors and His life and miracles are recorded in the gospels and contain public events including miracles that affirm Him historically as divine
The gospels you refer to as "proof" were written some 4 decades after the man Jesus died. They were copied many times and are replete with errors and contradictions. That being said, I'm sure you can dismiss that in your own mind as that seems to be the real point of the video.
Geoff C 40 years is not long enough for legend and myth do develop. Actually it is not even close. Copies had errors but copies were made in each territory and called families of MSS. Later the families of MSS were united and compared and copies appeared and were easily removed
strengthinweakness1 You really can justify or rationalize anything. It's almost as if this video conjured you to illustrate how apologists can deny any contradictory information to their beliefs.
For those that haven't seen strengthinweakness1 before, this person is impervious to logic or reason, and can find endless excuses why all the contradictions and lack of evidence of supernatural claims made in the Bible (all versions) don't matter.
I mean, the entire point of this video is how people make up all sorts of excuses to continue believing in their religions, and here you are claiming a false analogy and that "40 years is not long enough for legend and myth do develop". I wonder what metric you used for that claim. It's not even close to being true. 40 years is more than enough time for myths to arise, especially when you consider that the people then were highly superstitious and without access to information as we have today. Also, the stories weren't even recorded for 40 years. As was explained in the video, just telling a story about a room will screw it up royally. Try to write down something 40 years after the fact, and you'll be lucky to get a few of the names correctly.
NO you are wrong, it is Allah who did this. You will be struck down for your insolence!
TheIronwil Find one scholar to agree with you that 40 years is enough for legend to develop. Prove that the people were superstitious and Ill show you doubts arising in the characters of the NT until they were shown convincing proofs
"With luck, the bubble of delusion that surrounds you will burst"
You believe in luck ? You're delusional.
This is the worse video of proof I have ever seen. Please, try harder lol.
Nicholas Pontus Please think outside the bubble. Please try harder lol
Unknown Gamer hypocrite.
Akihisa Yoshii I just find it funny that they are plagued with faith, dogma, and not questioning their reality, yet accuse the the one of faith of being as such. The only way that one can remain an Atheist is to not dig deep enough.
hypocrisy, please provide evidence for your claim and I will as well. I would be happy to prove you wrong.
Psalm 137:9 - Happy is the one who seizes a Christian and dashes him against the rocks. Amen
Christains did not even exist at that time period so I know that's false
Dang. If this is a delusion, its making society better and my life better so, thanks.
Unfortunately, too many people are not going to "think" about their delusion because they don't believe they're delusional.
Right now US citizens are trying to figure out which candidate to vote for, thinking that the incoming president will solve the problems besetting their country. They are clearly delusional.
this is sadly very true
"Men will always be mad, and those who think they can cure them are the maddest of all." - Voltaire
+Reoce Jacobs So what then, sit idly by and watch as their delusions weaken us as a species?
What else do you suggest we do? People who are in a delusional trance can't be helped. Look at all the delusional people who believe in vaccination. Try to convince even one that vaccination is a complete fraud.
Excellent work! I will say that our chances of convincing a religious person of the falsity of their beliefs is slim. I think it takes years to overcome the indoctrination. All we can hope is that the religious will begin to ask questions and realize that their religion provides no true answers to those questions.
+Tom Monk - And to those who spent the majority of their life asking such questions only to find God you would say...?
+Ian Alan I think more people are taught to be religious in their youth, rather than come to religion later, though obviously some do. I would say they are just as deluded and mislead as those who grew up in the church. Religion provides easy, simple answers to questions, though not correct answers.
Tom Monk - So if one is religious but then turns to atheism by seeking truth that is rational but if one is an atheist but finds God when seeking truth it is delusional. You sure that is not a biased double standard?
+Ian Alan I can only reason the way I do. Religion has nothing to do with rationality. Or scientific truth. You're free to call it a double standard if you like. I have had too many experiences with religion to think differently.
Tom Monk- I can respect that Tom. Ironically I used to be an agnostic. It was seeking answers of truth that somehow led to my belief in God. For whatever the reason your post inspired me to ask. I think more for understanding than anything. I meant no offence nor judgment on your respectable view. I only wish you peace.
Peace to all!
I didn't say unbelief was illogical, I said fighting something that doesn't exist is illogical.
What I find hilarious is that billions of people imagine they actually exist instead of realizing that they're just automatons imbued with existence via the imagination of me, the only person I have knowledge of having truly conscious existence.
Dude YOU'RE TOTALLY brainwashed
Get checked into a hospital
@@pauls8595 See, you probably think you're actually thinking those thoughts.
Solipsism is a sad thing to witness.
@@garretfinch7745 It would be sad, IF you had sentience like I do...
#3- as a Christian I'm not just gonna give up on everything because of Jesus' return. I'm willing to keep exploring and stuff. But I know God will come back.
You don't "know" that and you never did, the word you're looking for is "hope," you "hope" that your god will come back. But it won't, because it's not real.
But that's fine, you believe what you will. It's been 7 years since you made this comment, so I have no idea what your stance even is these days, but many use their religion as an excuse to shit all over the environment ("The idea that we could either harm or care for god's perfect world is crazy!" -Paraphrasing an actual Christian podcast) or treat others like lesser people for no logical reason, only because their religion that supposedly teaches love has taught them to hate.
Evil is resistance to ones created purpose. Evil is things going out of control in terms of the control of the creator and His purpose for the creation. God allowed us to opt out of His control for the purpose of realizing the danger of resisting His will and His awesome love and ability to bring us back after we had learned our lesson. Such lesson will reap huge rewards for us in terms of joy power love and blessedness forever
Since we are trying to see through delusions here, I want to add in some topics/distinctions.
1) We criticize Christians for dogmatically imposing their principles, but in doing so we are also imposing our own principles. We defend that our principles are for the good of society, and that we need to deal with the more immediate, current issues of human oppression. I like this, pragmatically speaking, but it's a personal dogma. It's just as baseless as religion. It's less obvious but still a personal fancy among many.
2) On what basis can logic be trusted? I don't think there is an answer to this question that is satisfactory for everyone. Once a reason is given, we beg the question. Evolution has the end goal of the flourishing of a species. It does not, at least it seems to not, necessarily promote that logic/our senses tell us something true about the world. We always say that religion was a man made invention for human flourishing, so we shouldn't trust it. But then how can we trust human logic if it's goal is survival, and not clarity
Just food for thought.
Logic is trusted because we can make decisions using it which lead to reliable, predictable, desirable results. Games make this most clear; if in a game you consider what events may happen next, and use logic quickly & effectively enough, you will be able to make decisions that lead to victory more often than not. For a basic example, take chess: if you have two players of approximately equal skill face each other, but give one far more time to make their moves, the one who has more time to think will win far more often than not, simply on account of logic allowing them to consider & make better choices.
As for why making good decisions matters, the reality is that the world is hostile. If you make poor choices, you are significantly more likely to die than someone who makes good choices. No amount of delusion can hide the simple brute facts that 1, you need to be alive to do things, and 2, you must utilize logic if you want to have any agency in determining your fate.
Muhammad's mystical magical horse journey to la la land is not in Quran. It is in secondary literature known as hadith. Just a polite correction.
Wow! This is such an amazing thing! I was Christian, but now i am atheist! Now i believe that magical nothing exploded for... Just exploded because it exploded (and "scientists" said it exploded) and made our space and planets from totally nothing!
Thank you again for such an amazing video! I am so glad that atheists are not delusional at all!
+George Ell W Instead you believe an invisible, undetectable magic man in the sky used his magical powers to magic everything in to existence simply so he could psychically read our thoughts and punish us if we think the thoughts "He" thinks we shouldn't think. Yeah, that makes total sense and isn't delusional in the slightest.
+George Ell W At least science can be proved, so it is automatically not delusional. Not a single shred of any religion has any evidence of any sort to back it up. Science is all about disproving things, not proving them. And you know what science has done a top job of disproving? any and all Religion!
To me, it's honestly impossible for the God of the Bible or of any other religion to exist... Based on many things, but from my observation, God is supposed to be perfect and infallible but acts.... kind of like a jerk. In all religions. But in Christianity, he created people SIMPLY SO THEY COULD WORSHIP and bow down before his arrogance, and play his harsh little game of life only to cast extreme judgement on them afterwards. Sounds like a pretty human concept. Not to mention that he wipes out an entire race of people apparently but we're just okay with that and okay with all of the horrible, detestable acts that actually take place in this 'holy book' that isn't even close to being relevant today. And oops you live a decent life but don't believe in him, and he burns you for eternity. Like seriously? How is anybody okay with that! I'm not even okay with that happening to my worst enemy! But he loves us... I just can't reconcile all of this guys.
Why can't people just let people believe what they want. I'm a Christian and I will talk to anyone about God, no matter what they believe. If they do not want to accept Jesus, then I won't keep bringing it up every time. If you believe in nothing, why do you want to take it away?
because its harmful to base your life off of things that aren't true
did you even listen to the video?
"Love your neighbor" = Paradise on Earth
Im an Atheist but i am not sure if this world would be better without religion.
The reason is the constantly repeated question of religious people "what stops you from killing if you are not punished by hell for the sin". Asking someone this question means that you can not think about another reason for not killing then retaliation.
It scares the shit out of me what would happen if this guys would not fear hell anymore .
It's a slow struggle my friend, but soon they will all see the truth, just as you and so many others already do! I'm glad that that there are 4X more likes than dislikes, it means it's slowly getting through to all these fools stuck in their bubble universes! Keep up the good work and spread these messages globally! One day we will be free of the embarrassing religious scandal, and we can finally progress as a species into a new, religion-free age, and it will be bliss!
Speaker of .... How's 'bliss' going for you after all these years?
I've talked to mormons who said they believe JC walked on water, but said they did not believe Mohammed rode a flying horse
Still a gold standard 13 years later. A very effective tool for reaching out to the deluded and their geographically-assigned Santa figure..
Yeah, because it's SUPER EFFECTIVE to call people out as FOOLS and say nasty things about them for them to believe you. Gotcha.
he was being too aggressive at the start
I really don't believe that you get anyone who is deeply rooted in a belief system socially, emotionally and psychologically to even listen to you by pointing your finger and repeating over and over "You are delusional". I'm no psycho-therapist, but I doubt that that's how they get delusional people to accept that they are delusional.
Sorry to hear about your problems. I've read it's very common for people with no psychiatric history to hear voices. It's just something that most people who experience this stay quiet about. If you've got a good family I hope you stay close to them.
Problem #1 answer- God chooses to answer your prayer, it does not always happen your way
Problem #2- many soldiers do not believe in Jesus, so that's not a driving factor. Everyone who goes to war knows what they are dying for, the guy next to them and to stop the bad from reaching our shores.
Thanks! Great presentation. You're right on!