3 Signs of a Bad Pastor (Bad Church Leadership, False Pastors, False Teachers . . .)
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2017
- 3 Signs of a Bad Pastor: How can you know if your pastor really is the problem or not? We want to believe the best of our pastors, but what if it feels like there is really bad church leadership?
Here are three signs you may have a bad pastor on your hands:
1. A Bad Pastor Will Teach You He Could Never Become a Problem
2. A Bad Pastor Always Points the Finger and Is Always the Victim
3. A Bad Pastor Usurps the Other Elders or Forces Them Out
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Some pastors loves to humilates members in front of a congragration or when the member leave church for good they get critized by the pastor.. Ive seen this happened before..I think thats very disrespectul ..
Happened to me and my husband. Always got humiliated. Even if we didn’t do anything wrong. Just talked to us like animals. Abusing his authority
Sick
@@Simplyme530 this just happened to me tonight....before and after church.....and the mission that a friend and I started 8 yrs ago before we even started to his church he's pastering now, to beat it all I've known him before he started preaching. When he was just a kid and his mom and dad before they were married, anyways he tried to use our mission to blackmail me into doing what he wanted out of me, it's God's mission not mine or my friends. We are only the stewards over it....
@@gradybell1370 so sad. When will be people understand that it’s not about them. It’s about God. I totally agree with you and I’m sorry this has happened to you. We walked almost 2 years ago. I have healed from that and I hope you can too and last but not least forgive and move on ❤️❤️❤️
@@Simplyme530 thank you so much, what really hurts more than anything he didn't do it in front of the whole church but in front of another guy, I think it really floored the guy, anyway I love the whole congregation there and I know they do me as well, and I'd love to be able to stay there but I know it would be a big hindrance all the way around, and I'm also feeling guilty because me leaving is going to financially hurt Jabez Borders Mission. Newport...here in Tennessee my friend and I started to help in the Philippines we have 4 families we help with many needs and now the whole burden is on us and being retired we don't have the funds to help as much, but it belongs to God anyway not us...but as I said I don't want to be a hindrance and I would be hindered staying there, please when you have time just keep us in your prayers me and my friend Sharon Oquinn the other cofounder plus the families in the Philippines...Thank and God abundantly bless you.
Nepotism is the worst in Pastor's. If you are not within the Pastor's "Circle of People", you're pretty much screwed. That's what I am going through now, and they can't be wrong in everything. These points are soooooo true right now.
In our church we called them "the chosen frozen". Luckily I'm not in that church anymore. I see Past Joseph Prince as my pastor. He's humble and kind and I've learnt a lot from him over the past few years.
I think to that they get maybe jealous of other people's god-given spiritual gifts so they exclude them on purpose because they're all about one-upping
Sounds exactly like the church I grew up in. I was adopted, and always have been a critical thinker, so, I didn't get folded in with nepotism. They treat me like a traitor, and, though they'll never say it, like I'll burn in hell if I don't play their game, so, I'm throwing a curve ball, and having the sheriff's office investigate them for covering up sex crimes, domestic violence, etc. I DO feel like a traitor, not gonna lie, but I can't allow a gay, pedophile rapist to walk freely, doing G-D knows what...
@@andrewhawkins8616 good for you
Yeah
When you go to a new church do not take any leadership post for three years or until you learn the how the church operates
Smart advice. I wish I knew this well into my faith. I was always the type of person to get excited jumping on board in ministry only to see that some of the people I was serving cared more you being a number than the actual person themselves. And with Pastors, they're so hard to trust these days.
Why am i seeing this comment only now ?
Agree!
For for!
Omg. So true. You really have to take time even when it comes to serving in any capacity
Pastors with their inner circle of friends will take sides and support him.....
This is unfortnately true
grace sue exactly!! This is what happened at the last church that I served in for 10 years. The pastor’s leaders would try to make you feel like your the crazy one.
This is so true. Pastors have these " yes" people that will be by his side no matter what. So, do not get on the bad side of these "yes" people otherwise you will be verbally ridiculed, shunned, condemned, etc.
I agree
grace sue I guess I’m not the only one that believes this and has seen this first hand.
Coming out of a legalistic cult, I'm so thankful for this. praise God 🙂
So glad it was helpful to you!
That's why I'm glad I left the church I used to go to for that same reason.
Hey Humble. This Video is Old.. But just came across it.. Can you help me Understand what a ' Legalistic Cult Church looks like ? I think I'm dealing with one right now. They Teach the Law.. presay ?. Could you be Specific.. Im confronting a AOG Pastor now. Thanks
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I've attended a church just like that. I was sure God told me to get out, but I thought I was being critical so I kept going. I started having panic attacks at church, and dreams of demons dressed as angels flying around in the church and suddenly attacking people. I also had other dreams about the members of the church that I can't repeat here. As soon as I quit going, the dreams ended. It wasn't until after I left the church that I began to understand the demonic spirits that were actually in charge at that "church." I believe it is becoming almost impossible to find a true church these days. Those that have one near them should be grateful!
Woooow! Thanks for sharing.
There are some witches in some churches
@@elizabethbrewer5791 Whatever it was, the problem begins at the head. "Like shepherd, like sheep."
@@graftme3168 at the head is right...smh
@@graftme3168What that chruch from Assembly of God? Because I can relate to your experience.
Yes you should add the Pastor and his clicks friends to your list. An example would be that your pastor only talks to the wealthy or higher class people and pretty much ignores everyone else.
mhm
Mine only surrounds herself with dumbasses. People that don't have a plan or have anything to do. You can literally come up with whatever, the lamest excuse to do something, like watching a tree's flowers grow on a Sunday or Saturday BBQ and they'll pick that spot just to watch it. (Which is still a good thing) but the message is that they don't have any will in their lifes... They're just people that surround her that basically think and feel like they don't have nothing to do in their lifes. They just wake up because we're obligated to wake up and they have nothing to do. When you see how they are, they don't have an opinion in their classes.. you can ask them what are they going to do today and they say "nothing" "just rest" or "see whats coming today" like they have no will at all. You can ask them how does anything make you feel and their just stupid right there with no will at all. And I feel like people like that anyone could recruit them because they have nothing to do at all they don't have any plans they're always quiet low willed and some (a portion) of them are grown mentally illed people. Like special. Very bad studdering problems thinking problems and growing up problems. And people like that, that when they were in school and the teacher would say "partner up, were about to do a project." They would just wait for everyone to get picked and then at the end whoever domestics or gets picked by anyone. They'll look at each other and say "nobody picked you, nobody picked me, so I guess we'll partner up" and thsts like that 24/7 365 growing up all day because they still to this day can do that. Its kinda like that little plant that bites down on mosquitos and stuff when it gets brought to them. But they're not animals anyways any ways that input it like this is going to sound disrespectful and I'm not doing it like this. The point is that they're in there "just because they woke up" and you can never take pride into dojng something like this. Were im from there's a saying that says "tell me who you're with, and I'll tell you who u are" and people like this you can never take pride into having or recruiting to have such around because literally anyone and I mean anyone "can get them" all the other ones that can think and have thinked, have ended up leaving the church. and she doesn't see that. She thinks everyone is wrong but herself and her husband. Like I saidnlike if she must think that people are stupid for her to have to be a pastor and thats what she surrounds herself by by people who are very sloth in their way of thinking and that they've had and still have family problems. And jts ok to have people like that because they all matter but what is not ok is that thats all she surrounds herself by. And thsts a problem because souls are being lost by that. And she still doesn't attend her real life priorities.
When a Pastor lets on like he knows God's specific will for your life and doesn't want you doing something that you thought about doing (i.e, going to school, buying a new car or house, moving to a new town or city). He does this without asking you about your plans, without going over scriptures and praying for God's will about what you would like to do. He merely says, "That's not God's will for your life." and he doesn't like it when you talk back. This is wrong.
A good pastor is very much like a good parent. It's not easy to be in leadership. It takes openness and humility to do a good job. A good leader is not just one who issues orders and disciplines. He first of all walks the walk, showing how to live.
Well said
I was having demonic attacks and reached out to my pastor. He redirected these interactions to manipulate and guilt me into returning to a church team that I had left. I'd been there for months before COVID hit, did my best to help out but it just wasn't a fit for me. I declined and he lashed out.
He's one of those people who you'll open your heart to and he'll gently say others have it worse. Tired of the veiled emotional abuse.
This comment affirms something that I'm currently experiencing. I hope you are doing well. Christ saves and protects. Bless you all.
My life is now over because of two pastors. I got harassed every day because the two pastors tell people to im in hell
@@mattjacobson3616 no no. Brother that's a lie!!!
Look at the Word. As long as you live there's time to come back to the Lord. Jesus died for you at the cross because he loves you so you wouldn't have to go to Hell.
(John 3:16, 17)
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
@@antoniocastillo9846 you misunderstood, these two pastors are crooked from stealing from people, abusing little kids, and this is funny to me can not hack it in the working world so they get a simple job. The members a the church are a bunch of morons who put their kids life at risk.
@@mattjacobson3616 i can understand how you might feel because I also thought my life was over because of what a Pastor did to me and told me. I spent 1 week wanting to kill myself
But you're still alive. What they said about you being or burning in Hell is not true. It's a lie!!
Jesus came to save you. Not to tell you how bad you are or to condemn you (John 3:16-17)
Bro, Jesus defends you. He intercedes for you in heaven
Hebrews (7:25)
I encourage you to seek godly counsel, they can help you to be free from every hurt and know that Jesus is close to those who have a 💔 heart. (Psalm 34:18)
Keep you in my prayers 🙏
Just because you have a "church", and people listen to you and give you money and accolades, does not mean you are a pastor. Pastors take care of sheep in the wilderness.
We need to be alert for False prophets, wolves in Sheep's clothing and narcissists (the numbers in ministry are high) that surround themselves with a group of yes men.
Mt former pastor played favorites and defended it saying God "told him to do it." At one point, he knew I was in the hospital and never showed up. But, when it came to his favorites, he was there for them and supported them with love and compassion. His favorites also turned out to be members of his extended family. I felt like a second class citizen there. It ended very badly a few months ago. Since then, I have not had much heart to go to another church.
I had one pastor tell my friend that God told him that i was going to accomplish great things in my life. No joke.
Be bold for your life, never allow any weak emotions to control you because you need to grow spiritually.
If Jesus suffer we will suffer too because we are his children don’t give up ..keep walking and fight the good fight the Holy Spirit will be with you always ..you are precious in God eyes and he loves you very much pray for that pastor he needs prayer be a warrior for God ..💕God Bless you ..
@@sarakhan8632 thank you so much for your encouraging comment. Thank you Holy Spirit. Almighty God in Jesus Christ thank you. 🙏🌊🔥🌌
Going through this right now. Oh and If his wife or daughter angers him in private, he will expose them in the pulpit. I don’t know how they put up with him doing that. His wife is frequently depressed probably because of the way he treats her. It’s so wrong and then the congregation is sitting there clapping and laughing while he’s humiliating them smh. I can’t stay in that type of environment. After 14 years of his mess, Im looking for another church home.
I'm a pastor, and I feel like these three points are spot on. These same things come to apply in lay leaders as well.
Yes I agree. However, the problem is that in practice, it’s the Pastor who has the title and the power, thus making it easy to take the “whip hand” and “punch down”. I was part of an Eldership team with a Pastor just like the one described. If you questioned (even Biblically) or gave any hint that you didn’t fully support you were ostracized, gaslighted and ghosted. It got so bad that I had to leave a Church where my wife and I had been in membership for over 30 years! I had been an Elder for 20 years. The Pastor was dismissed one month ago but we had already lost many valuable members and leaders. We are now settling elsewhere.
@@chillycheeks5318 That is heartbreaking. I've seen that dynamic from both sides. It's hard but correct to operate with the idea that the whole body matters more than any individual while valuing every individual at the same time. Scapegoating--either pastor or congregant--is always a false solution and the church will suffer for it.
When the pastor tells your personal prayer that you asked him to keep private to others when you tell him twice.
Yes, that is not good!
Just for their glorification so that they can feel good about themselves. What I don’t understand is that if they say they help people how come no strippers are in the church or homeless people or gang members? They worship at church but they aren’t even helping the homeless. They wouldn’t go out of their way to actually get to know someone. That’s the kind of faith that I want to be able to actually see people as is and to love them as is. 🤷♀️
Don't give no one or anything the benefit of the doubt. Use discernment. PLEASE PRAY 🙏
Yes!!! I did and wooooo...I now see what everyone talks about smh
Ugh, there was a study in canada done that showed that 30% of clergy/pastors have full on narcissistic personality disorder. Many of these people go into ministry for the power and control over people. Pastors should be chosen from among the flock after being proven. Problem is that now it is considered a PROFESSION and hierarchical office instead of a gift or a role within the church which breeds all sorts of issues. Because they now have to go to bible school/seminary it also creates an entitlement attitude, that they have EARNED their position of authority and that people must submit to them. Hiring/interviewing pastors is a problem too because theres no way to really discern their character. It’s really sad because a lot of people end up being hurt or manipulated by pastors instead of being served, pastored, encouraged and fed. The main practice of a pastor/elder is shepherding by SERVICE. The greatest must be the lowest servant. A lot of pastors are arrogant and self righteous which is going to make them poor leaders.
These were some really great points. I really agree with the "profession" and "hiring" problems rather than a congregation organically recognizing someone w the spiritual gift to lead and pastor. That's a huge problem. Nowadays pastors seem to pick their flock and hire and fire people likes it's a workplace....
Exactly! Well said! I was a Christian for decades before realizing, through seeing the scriptures, that the pervasive pattern of "senior pastor/pastor" that we see all over...well it is just the pattern of this world. It is NOT God's order of church. All the "titles" Jesus warned not to take should have been a clue long ago!
you have so right on every point.
I don't trust none of them. They have all give me the creeps since I was a kid.
Peacy your are spot on my sister. U can’t even question a pastor with a humble spirit without people looking at u crazy.
Pastors are so hard to trust these days. I've been burned by them a lot, opened my heart to them , and I'm in a season where I'm done doing so. Find a trusted friend you've known who will walk with you. I'm thankful that God has given them a calling and all, but relationally, I can only think of a couple I've truly connected with.
dont find anyone, you already have Jesus. trust him, walk with him. he is allthat u need really.
@@APR4JC luckily I'm in a better place and Church now. And have come to this realization long ago. Thank you. It's so true. Took a long time to realize, but it's helpful when you put your trust in Jesus first.
This is super helpful. I’m going through leaving my church and it is not easy.
Same here . Just trust the process of the LORD. We can do this. Shalom to you! GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS!
How was it?
Yeah love..how is it going?
@V A Well that is definitely not right that if they shame them for not giving. I'm doing good though thanks to everyone who was wondering. It was hard. We had to try a few churches but I'm starting to get back to where I need to be with God. We had a lot of drama from this and many times people just wouldn't associate with us. I don't want to share anything that would be drama filling since I know that can damage the spirit for God. I will say this though, we left because the population in the seat mattered more than the population of souls going to heaven. I didn't ever get asked who knew God, it was "How many people attend."
Was for me. I just never went back.
Pastors have to accept scrutiny from their congregations. A pastoral assessment is a positive procedure in a healthy church and gives the pastor feedback on how he is serving his congregants. If a pastor resists any assessment you likely have a problem.
I dealt with a false pastor. After confronting him about not doing God's work and having church members exclude me from events. He had me fired from my church position and then had my membership revoked. The members knew what he was doing but didn't confront him about it instead they covered for him. I had never experienced such betrayal before. It took me months to forgive them and let God deal with them.
This is so heartbreaking.. which is happening to me as well. 🥺
There was really no point in confronting him in the first place. You should have let God deal with it in the first place. Sometimes God just shows you thing in order for you to remove yourself from the equation. And ask Him to lead you to a different church or what have you.
@@ladennayoung2939 What a word. They say we are supposed to call out when they are not telling the truth, but I'm not going to fight with a church or it's members. I will just remove myself.
May God be with you crying 😭😭😭😭 😭
Thanks for sharing...its good to know we're not alone❤️
Wow I needed this! Having problematic leadership can be draining on the spirit.
one thing you need to stress is that a pastor a true one is not doing this for him self he's working for Jesus god gets all the glory man gets none of it so don't put him on a pedestal he's just a man like you
I met some awesome pastors over the years. One thing they have in common is a unique calling
I'm catholic and have been working for the church for a year. I have 2 priests as my boss. But the main one is really hard to deal with. He's constantly complaining about me not being good enough for the job. Just today he started to yell (yes with the screaming) repeating a sentence that I couldn't clearly hear. Now I'm really observing, and taking a real look at the signs. May God always be with me.
YOU ARE NOT BRINGING GLORY TO GOD BY BEING A CO CONSPIRATOR TO THERE SPIRITUAL CRIMES. YOU CONFRONT THEM AND TELL THEM TO REPENT FOR THERE HARSH TONE AND BELITTLING. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, YOU GET YOUR HAT AND COAT AND RUNNNNNN. BE BORN AGAIN, BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME AND HOLY SPIRIT FILLED.. DO NOT FOLLOW MAN. FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST.
I came from under a pastor with the exact characteristics you described. He started out well, educated and equipped. The church, the members, literally fell apart. The building was sold and a new church was started for those who lived closer to the pastor's residence. It hurt the congregation deeply. I believe we loved them but they did not love us because of our economic status. It left many with emotional scars like coming out of a bad marriage. We all have continued in the Word of God faithfully as we do keep in touch with each other. I keep him in prayer.
Yes, so hard to go through... thankfully Jesus reigns on the throne!
Stay strong sister
So did I! Still praying for him; he uses the platform to attack the congregation or those of us who moved on to Gods clear calling. Breaks my heart.
Same here like im on the verage of getting a divorce
I had a pastor at the mission church I attended say about the members "these people have nothing", referring to our economic status. I reminded him of Jesus' own words and in James where God chooses the poor to be rich in faith. The mission eventually closed.
My Pastor has given Himself over to sexual immorality and instead of owning up to it He points Fingers at the Persons who confronted Him about it. ☹️😖😞
I can fully relate. They get away with it because the congregation doesn't seem concerned these days.
Ohhhhhhhh shoot. I'm not shocked tho! We all have stories and good proof and the other congregation we try to warn with our evidence turns a blind eye. Smh
I went to church today after having this tugging feeling in my heart and mind for months. I just feel like I’m being called to be out in my community helping those who are homeless or mentally ill or at correctional facilities, etc. and the service I attended talked all about volunteering and being OUT in the community in groups. To help those in need to give others hope with the Lord. So I spoke to the pastor after the message and said, “I’ve been wanting to do this for so long. The message really spoke to me today. Where can I sign up to help and join your volunteer groups?”
So the pastor says, “We get help through offerings. Go to this Bible study, it will change your life.” And I was so discouraged that they spoke on and on about volunteering and helping out, to simply turn me away.
Hey Amanda you seem awesome! Wouldn’t it be cool if we found a like minded group who went out and did this? I want to do this also. I was diagnosed with BPD and I feel like God delivered me from that once I formed a personal relationship with him. So I think it’s awesome that you want to help those that are mentally ill. Isn’t this what we should all be doing?
Don't get discouraged. Keep looking.
Yeah. Its always money .. its never your tender care.
Amanda do not be discouraged I finally gave up on church and go out on my own to bring Gods word to people and speak to the homeless I do give them food or take them out to eat if they are hungry . I also give bibles to people I am not rich nor do I take any offerings from people , if God is in it he will provide.
that is a fact.
Bible based, isn't necessarily bible believing. Avoid the Sunday keepers. They do not demonstrate a love for God, but by their lips.
The trouble is, pastors get the benefit of the doubt too much. Pastors have a responsibility to the congregation; not congregation members have a responsibility to the pastor.
How about pastors building funds? How about the books, tapes,CDs, holy water and what not being pushed/sold in a house of prayer? How about pastors airplanes, boats, vehicles and other toys?
My last pastor exactly like this
Used to 'pray people out the church'
Never followed christs instruction when having issues with congregates
Took sides told lies and backed down
When I left and exposed him him spread to the church I had Jezebel spirit
My pastor admitted to me he hasn’t read the entire Bible. I’ve read it 7 times so it’s very concerning to me.
this gave me comfort. Thank You Jesus for your word
Thank you for this video. Back in 2010 my mother and sister died two days apart. When I went to their funeral at the church they attended nobody said hello to me or welcome to me or offered me any condolences. And the pastor was the same way and when I went to talk to him he said he had no time. This church Bay Valley Christian Church in Bay City and I'm not afraid give the name of the church. For they know it's true. Churches is what Jesus died for. Listen to the hymn the church's One Foundation. I have found a lovely Church with true Christian brothers and sisters and I thank God for them.
Thomas, that is horrible to hear! How can they even look in the mirror each morning? They will have to stand before the Lord someday soon! He will judge them for their sins. I am so glad that you didn't mind naming names, because that IS the Biblical way! Helps others to know who may be new in the Faith who may not have much discernment, to seek elsewhere for a congregation of true believers. Not that we are perfect, but we are growing little by little all the time. So glad you found somewhere to worship our Lord! God Bless You my brother! btw, I looked up that hymn, very beautiful! ruclips.net/video/3SpI1jCczao/видео.html
They just put the people that will agree with him and submit even To heresy.
That 3 bad signs of a Pastor, is that what i’ve observed on my Pastor, i’ m so Sad, no wonder I tried to avoid Him , i’m blessed by His message , its always repitative
No pastor has Christlike character...
Christ Himself is my Pastor, The Lord is my Shepherd!
So you don't attend church? Fellowship with other believers?
grace sue u need to go to church but u need to pray to God so that He directs u to a church whose pastor is genuine...God knows the ones who r real!!
We dont attend church. Church is like family. We dont attend a family. It is not an event. Family does not start at 830 AM. It is not even a building. We dont have a wooden or concrete family.
Church is great if u find the right people to fellowship with cause as u know that the church is the people .the building does not matter..the body of Christ us Christians r the church......
You aren’t biblical on your understandings, and if Jesus were your pastor, He would have already pointed that out to you.
Yes, the pastor pedestal, they think they are untouchable. Nauseating.
I came from a church where the pastor would defend his friends when they were in the wrong.
Now what did Rev. 21:8 say about the cowardly again ......?
I am a pastor
Sometimes pastor’s get stuck with a church board which fails to accept any pastor who doesn’t do exactly what they say when they say...
preach from acts, they want the pastor to stop
preach on the life and teachings of Christ, they’re “not being fed”
Then they drop a year’s worth of criticisms all at once and rebel against the pastor while asking for his resignation.
Sometimes it’s a power hungry, unhealthy board and a gossip church that heeds zero correction from any true spiritual authority
Did you learn anything? Before you answer, let me give you some ammunition: My dad quit doing what you are talkin about when I was thirteen. When I was fourteen I said, "Dad, I think it was good that you quit." I still think that today. I will test your reply against Scripture.
So sad to say that I have left my church after 20+ years of service there. New pastor came 2 years ago and it was great for a year or so. But then families started leaving for many reasons and when I started looking into it I realized that he just likes a good argument and he’s good at it. I called him on it and of course he turns the whole thing around so that he looks good and I’m questioning my very existence.
Even though I have been the worship leader there for the last ten years, I’m out. Turned in my keys. Unfortunately, my wife is having a difficult time with it because we are leaving a church family with 20 years of service together. I’m hoping that she can plug into one of the women’s bible studies held outside of the church building to help her deal with the loss. I myself am just glad to be away and hoping to soon find a healthy church to serve out the rest of my days.
That can’t be too much to ask!
I've experienced everything you talked about with a church I attended for five years. Thankfully when I asked God if I should stay, he told me to leave and I did. It's been so hard. I've lost all of my friends and close relationships. I'm all alone. But I know God wouldn't bring me this far to leave me. Keep me in prayer ❤
i tried to give the pastor the benefit of doubt before I left. I really enjoyed the pastor of my church. I found that his messages were not sitting right in my spirit. The messages were including hip hop song lyrics, and talk about alcohol a lot. I asked other church members what they thought and they said "oh I love my pastor" - I just couldnt going. It was all about a feel good message. I really lost all hope when some people in the service would feel the Holy Spirit move and he said they were just trying to get attention. I left.
only a few good shepherds, many wolves in sheep clothing, but mostly hirelings that wont lay their lives down for the sheep
these are the worst because while pretending to shepherd they actually fleece the sheep and then throw the sheep to the wolves John 10:12
I was pushed out of my church for asking if we could learn abouf God's promises and end times. I also said i dont believe the church is the new Israel and that Israel and the church are two separate programmes. The pastor gave an awful sermon on the Corinthians but he was talking about me. Apparently im heretical, arrogant, a taker over. Every word was likea stone being thrown at me. He was so angry and nasty. I was in shock for weeks. Only about three people asked if i was ok about 5 weeks later. They worship him. Hes very charismatic and charming. Im beyond hurt and disgusted. He doesnt like different opinions and cant apologise
Plus there are even certain Pastors who swear they're more righteous and think they're better than everyone else. And they tend to cover up themselves and won't admit that they sinned in their lives and they hold people's sins against them.
I think they are called Pastors because they walk past ya.
Bruce Slater to me a pastor is not the same as a preacher! However I love your analogy!
Laura Little Too many people would rather be lecturing at us than actually being pastoral. Do as I say, not as I do. Jesus says feed the sheep and care for them, not yell at them.
LOL i never hear it like that...
😂 that was good...
Lol that's funny
After I left my first church, I had multiple people come up to me to tell me that a pastor there was talking to them about my sexuality (and even then he lied about my sexuality), a rather personal thing. When I brought that up with the church leadership it was all 'oh no no, we investigated that, and no pastor here has done that.' My first church. And since then I have absolutely no interest in pastors and sharing my life with them. I'm a Christian, but I don't want any part of the modern church structure of leadership covering their asses.
That's crazy. It's tough with pastors. And they're busy people too, so often time I feel you're doing more reaching out to them that they are to you. I think that's why a lot of the. Don't have a lot of people who want to connect with them .
Bothered me at my church because one , they were so hard to get a hold of , and other than my mentor, I can't see too many that have expressed pastoral care . It's better to go to friends you trust . Especially since they know you and can walk with you and pray with you. With pastors it's tough.
@@abeekuworldchanger380 It's a problem when you don't know your pastors and they don't have an interest in letting you get to know them. The same church I talked about, I tried contacting the senior pastor a few times to catch up and learn about them, but that went ignored every time. Other pastors told me 'nah, the young adult pastor is the one young adults are meant to talk to', as though there was a segregation.
Francis Chan wrote in one of his books that if you can't get to know the senior pastors of the church, then you can have no idea where the church is heading, what they believe in etc then it's not a good church to be in. And he's right. The head of the church is Jesus, and imagine if we knew nothing about him? Imagine if he didn't have the time to talk to us and share his heart? The head of the physical churches should be no different.
@@dragonzord6615 I agree . I've had those experiences and what you're saying is so true. They can preach 'Mission' and 'Vision' all they want,but none of that matters if you don't know where it's heading. Out of curiosity, you mentioned a book by Francis Chan. Would you mind telling me the title? I want to read it and jot it down .
@@abeekuworldchanger380 I THINK it was letters to the church... I could be wrong though. But either way, a fantastic read!
Fake pastors are many!
When a pastor caused you need to pray , forgive, bless and love them unconditionally. That way you are putting a lump of Coles on their heads . Another thing is to leave that church and let God deal with it. Let it go and let God handle it . Love them as Christ loved us .
Hero of the story! You Nailed it when you said that
So I have been praying to God to show me whether to stay in this church or not. I'm getting the message to leave. I just got my masters degree in marriage and family therapy. It wasn't easy. I worked hard and when I told the pastor I passed my test it was a small "oh good." No quick mention of congratulations at the pulpit as he does for other congregants about achievements. Its only when it serves his purpose. I have been called by Christ to be a counselor, and graduated from Liberty University at age 63. The recent incident before this one I tried to convince the pastor for me to run a two hour presentation regarding child sexual abuse for awareness and prevention. He made light of this, saying "well this is secular", not telling the congregants the importance of these horrible crimes against children. We asked him to watch a video on this so he could understand. When he introduce this to congregants what myself and a manager from the child advocacy center present this, he said it quickly as it was no importance, saying I don't think there will be dinner so you will have to get something, etc etc. He never explained how important it is that we help these children and the importance for us to recognize the warning signs abused children display. How can helping children be secular? And these people who suffered from an abuser, now grown up tell their stories on this video wishing there were someone to help when they were children. He never gave us the courtesy to watch the video. Many told how prayer began healing them and how they had to forgive the abuser, etc. He made an excuse why he couldn't show up. 10 people showed up but it could have been much more.
Thank you for sharing brother.
This is indeed helpful... Thank you Sir!
To be fair, I don't know of any church that has a plurality of elders. Its always a ceo at the top. Must be to do with the corporate structure churches are forced into for tax reasons.
I am part of a church, where we were 12 people in 2012. God used us mightily and grew, finally we had some money to sponsor a pastor. By this time, we became around 240 people. This pastor came, changed the constitution, threw all the leadership out and recruited YES men leaders (he did practically everything or almost everything mentioned in this video, from what I have seen, he has also done many good things, I do not deny that.). Now, we have greatly reduced in numbers and we are hardly 30-40 people now. I suffer at many occasions (am not at peace serving. I do not believe in bitterness when you love something that you do.). People have created gossips (this greatly affected my private life) and the leaders themselves have created false narratives about me. I do not want to disrupt anything at church, cause I know how difficult it is to spread the gospel. I have now come to the conclusion to leave the church. Has anyone experienced similar situations and what did you guys do to avoid conflicts ?
Almost the same. I’m in the point of leaving the congregation.
Simply write the leadership a letter thanking them for their love and fellowship...however, after much thought and prayer, you feel the time is right to move on. I had to come to this same decision a couple of years ago.
The vision of any church can play its part in 'fitting' ones own passion. The leadership cannot afford to camp around their own 'idea' of how they like church to be, especially if it is centered around 'their' gifting alone. These people were my friends and church family, but I was dying on the vine. No evangelism in any fruitful form had the church slowly seeing the younger people and families move on.
If your church is not teaching 'Thus Saith the Lord' then leave and find the church that is following God's words.
Uhhhh if they are preaching a False Gospel keep it moving
The last point hits the hardest to me. If the pastor submits to Biblically qualified elders, then the first two points won't be there. Great lesson brother, I am dealing with this very same type of pastor in my current location. But we must pray for them continuously, they mean well, but don't know better.
Wow! This explains my church spot on! Gota Go!
God bless!
I got saved in my church but he pressured me to serve & believe his way is always the way. I bring a lot of people but that’s all I can do. I can’t change their minds but I know God is working on them silently. It hurt me when he said “you had a good thing going on when you brought your brother”.Like? Now I feel like I’m not worthy enough. Now I go to church for Jesus. Thank you Mark.. I’m there for a purpose to turn things around on Gods timing.
Am I the only one that feels like churches now days have grown weak and bending to this progressive Christianity rather than holding to truth? I had a pastor tell me that abortion isnt an excuse for “Christian Nationalism” and I’m still trying to make sense of what on earth that is even suppose to mean. I’m so lost by that, if he was actually defending abortion, I think i need a new church. Any insight? Cuz I’m just confused.
Yes, MOST denominations nowadays in the West have been co-opted by Progressivism and are teaching and preaching false gospel. They have abandoned God's Word in favor of the World's favor. These are churches to be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately, they are MOST churches nowadays.
Abortion is murder. The child has rights too.
This is a very helpful video. Thank you.
Excellent teaching!
1.) Lack of growth
2.) Internal conflicts
3.) Lack of financial "integrity"
26 seconds in and I want to cry right now. #1 is only partly true. Yes, the church has grown but only because of people I invited except for one person. #2 The congregation is extremely small yet there's a lot of jealousy and accusation. #3 He doesn't steal money but he's afraid to ask for it. Most of the money comes from him personally. He does the offering for about 30 seconds like he's ashamed to request donations.
Inre #1, too many churches are obsessed with numbers. This is because they are organized like a business, where the contents of the collection plate by necessity supersede the contents of the Bible in importance and priority. Numbers occupying the pews should NEVER be used a measure of church health. Some of the smallest congregations, those that are little more than a few families meeting in someone's home, are some of the most spiritually healthy churches alive. Many megachurches, on the other hand, are full of world-loving frauds just going through the motions, their "pastors" talking and behaving more like corporate CEOs than spiritual leaders of a flock.
As far as #2 goes, there will always be SOME degree of internal conflict within any group of humans. However, what should set Christians apart is the ability of their faith and love for one another to minimize differences and set them aside. I will assert that the majority of conflicts that plague today's churches are due to the fact that most of them are not true New Testament churches at all, but lukewarm "Jesus Fan Clubs," random gatherings of strangers who meet once a week to be entertained by (generally low quality modern praise) music and a speech by a charismatic (referring to personality, not worship style) club president whose speech may or may not be based on Scripture, but is generally devoid of spiritual nutrition. Except for the club president's (a.k.a. "pastor") inner circle of yes men (and, disturbingly and increasingly, yes women), no one has any real connection to anyone else, and thus the constant tempest of conflict and resentment.
Number 3 is simply inevitable in any "church" that operates like a business rather than a New Testament family of believers. Pastors today, as has been pointed out in other responses here, are now little more than paid hirelings, mercenaries rather than those following a calling. Like everyone who does something for pay, they feel entitled to more than they're receiving and will go to any lengths to get it. Some are much worse than others in this regard, but ALL have an unhealthy preoccupation with mammon. With exceptions too few to name, the majority of pastors in my experience who truly exhibit integrity in this regard are lay pastors who have "9 to 5s" and don't rely on their congregations for their daily bread. It sounds like your pastor is one of these. Any offerings or donations they collect from their congregations go directly to missions or needs of the congregation, not their own pockets. In the case of your pastor, I wouldn't be too hard on him. He's actually doing the right thing by not over-relying on the congregation for money. Too many pastors do this as a form grift.
The apostle Paul never asked for financial support.
@@graftme3168 He was a Tent maker by Choice but he could have asked for a congregational salary!
@@cdpcullman He said he had a right to receive financial support but he never asked for it. He clearly taught that giving was to be from a willing and cheerful heart and not out of obligation. I think each individual should determine for himself when to give and how much. And I don't believe an offering plate should be passed around. That is a totally unbiblical practice. Giving is supposed to be in secret. The bible even tells us not to let our left hand know what the right hand is doing when we give, but for some reason, churches make a big show of it. It is divisive and competitive and manipulative and not proper behavior among God's people.
There is also the flip side congregation who keeps chasing pastors out the door and have no respect for their pastors.
Thanks for this information
Always on time!🙌
What if the pastor owns the church building, could that be a sign? So when the people in the congregation put money in the collection tray, they are all losing wealth. When the pastor puts money in the tray, he's just transferring money from one of his bank accounts to another of his accounts, but outwardly it looks like he's donating money like everyone else. 🤔
Good question. This is an issue at every church.
Too many hirelings make a big variety show on Sunday morning of putting dollah bills into the collection plate - dollah bills that already came from their congregation, so they're just putting their congregants money back into the plate, from which it will go right back into their own pocket.
This!!! Great stuff!
I was in this church and I haven’t had a problem until I took the ministry class they were giving to certain people they pick so they have to give me too because I think the Holy Spirit convicted them. Anyway I did take the class and passed my ministry class and the problem didn’t start until I joined the prayer group ministry. I found out that the church leaders don’t like you if your voice getting louder than their voice make a way to flog you out of their church when church is suppose to be God’s house but they find a way to provoke you and kick you out.
We just left our church, cause the pastor got upset that we helped out a brother in need, n he turned the leaders against us. Now theyre saying stuff on fb "dont be a quitter" For years were tired of the rebukes, he says we werent loyal when we served and drove 20 miles to church 3 to 4xs a week. Its time for a new season. Plus he covered up a foodstamp fraud, that should be investgated, but ima leave it Gods hands.
It's sad, but three of these signs are so real in my local church...
I wish everything could be as it was before, but, unfortunately, I'm gonna leave this church. Because there's so many reasons already. Not only in Pastor, but also in tithing, singing and more...
How come i didn't see this video right away? This is totally on point. All this time I thought I was the problem. I've come to realized that. Good to know somebody had it all explained. God bless you. 🙏🙏🙏❤️
God bless you too!
I believe there is two criteria for good pastoral leadership. Bring people to encounter the risen Lord and becoming like Him.
I lost my faith because of a loved one has been brainwashed by many pastors. My faith was wrong and everything I believed in was wrong so I don't believe anything anymore. That's how I lost a loved one without him dying physically. Its mortifying to watch a good brilliant man destroying himself because someone us propheting outof it. Shame on those end times prophets.
The worst things about most Pastors is that They don't care about People who have mental illnesses.
I was told by text message that nobody in the church wanted to speak to me and that everyone was scared of me. I was due to have a meeting with the pastors (husband and wife), but the day before this person publicly said all these things again. I asked her to provide evidence, but she couldn’t. The pastor (female) stood there and listened to the lies she told about me, while trying to humiliate me at the same time. The pastor said not a word. Then the pastor had me to one side and said I should forgive 70x7. God told me to run from this church and I have!
Its crazy how so much of this could be applied to politicians these days!
Today we do not have a proper understanding of church according to Jesus and Paul’s wisdom. Pastors are not meant to run churches because the real church is not an organisation. First Apostles then Prophets then Evangelists then Pastor / teachers to equip people to do good works. Check what Paul says to the Ephesian elders in Acts for a précis of true Apostolic leadership Acts 20:28-38 this is what we need. 😉
Omega-ministries exactly! This is correct. I feel like 90% of church issues have to do with a pastor trying to run the show all by himself and doesn’t submit to an apostal.
Amen!
👍 Avoid churches that are run like businesses by CEO pastors.
@@jdfodio Sadly, that means avoiding almost all of them.
Thank You! Good content! 😀
You're welcome!
Good video!!
So glad it was helpful!
This describes a church I went to years ago. What happens when it's abuse and you don't have 2 or 3 witnesses (because of the first point you brought up)? Years later, other members have similar stories now, but this was 8 years ago when it happened.
Great question!
Too bad he never answered your question... I have this question now.
@@bpavilion8994 God did answer this question in the Old Testament to me, in my private time with Him. He was saying that He would hold both the pastors of these churches AND the congregation accountable because they should have spent time with Him to not treat people that way. (I'm rereading the Old Testament now. When I come back to that section again, I'll try to remember to post them here as there were multiple chapters where God was saying this.)
Gather the witnesses
Mmmmmmm interesting. I pray that I'm led by the spirit of God for a church home in Jesus name, if He want me to attend a different church.
Good info
REAL SHEPHERDS DON'T EAT THERE FLOCK!!!
How come we assume the victim is a liar but we can't assume the perpetrator is an abuser.. GOD HATES ABUSE.. THEY WILL HAVE DOUBLE FOR THERE TROUBLES. FORGIVE THEM AND ASK GOD TO GIVE YOU MORE DISCERNMENT, WISDOM, OBEDIENCE, CONVICTION, TRUTH, JOY AND PEACE. GO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE LOST. ITS NOT IN 4 WALLS. IF YOU ARE TRULY HIS, YOU WILL GO TESTIFY YOUR FAITH AS YOU HAVE MET THE REAL JESUS. HE CALLS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT. WE ARE TO.. WHY TO MAKE FULL PROOF OF OUR MINISTRIES! THE WISE WIN SOULS.. DONT BE A SPECTATOR.. GO MAKE DECIPLES..
My old pastor told us he never went to school...he said God was his teacher and that's all he needed. And he has all the traits in this video...one time he spent half his sermon complaining about how his son didnt come to Easter Sunday...
Lmao...this is terrible. Wow. Thanks for sharing. Its good to know I'm not alone
1. Pastor trains the people to beleive that they are never the problem
2. Always points the finger at others....and always plays the victim
1 Timothy 5: 19-20
3. Pastor who must have full control
Pastors are like the today's super Stars
Often true
YOLANDA THOMAS I'm glad false preachers are dropping dead
👍 #idolatry
Yeah! Like Bishop Dr. Michael Washington. He's a Celebrity Pastor.
@@Beanmachine91 that may be so, bit unfortunately, some people still listen to their teachings.... Myles Munroe is a prime example of that.
Because sometimes you just don't know. God allow everything for a reason.
funny how you've already described about 90% of church pastors
Funny how he described narcissism. Narcs are prevalent in churches.
Great video. The one thing you did not mention is false doctrine being taught by some pastors/elders. The sad fact of the matter is that there are many people who take a Pastor or an Elders word for what the Bible says and do not want to be questioned on certain valid topics brought up. I had a Pastor who encouraged we parishioners to question things and he would politely give us sound scripture to back up what he was preaching from the pulpit. A good pastor/elder will do that. A questionable pastor will tell you he is right because his ego gets in the way
Hirelings masquerading as pastors fear biblically literate congregations like politicians fear informed constituents. Both are threats to their power and control, and thus both fight hard to prevent either from happening.
Beautiful
Yes yes and yes.
Get this:
Pastor: I'm the only peacock in this church!
His homilies are all about him.
Good teaching!! 🔥🔥💯💯
I can always tell a false teacher by their popularity for the world will love it's own. A true teacher will be mocked and scorned by the world just as Jesus was and still is. So many praise with their mouths but their hearts are far from him.
They're teaching the doctrines, customs and commandments of men, not of GOD! It's almost like they don't read their Bible, and just quote scripture. The devil can quote scripture!!! This is why the church is falling away....
Amen
Yes!
I was a pastor 14 years and am a missionary now since 2005 and I have never taken a dime for ministry in any form at all. This is how ministers and leaders in the real Church must be today. They must stop registering a business and running a business calling it a "church". It is only a platform for leaders to merchandise you (2 Peter 2:3 KJV - about false teachers... "3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.") Flee the synagogues of Satan. You are welcome to come hear the actual and clear Gospel Jesus preached, at my channel. May God bless you as you seek Him with all your heart!
Thanks Mark !!
What people are not getting is that in the modern church there is a great deal of rot much like what was experienced in Israel of old and it is only going to get worse not better the further we all go into the end times. Frankly to put it the churches are rotten and so are the pastors, people will one day come to terms with this and they will eventually start seeking out better.
Christians are do full of intolerance and hate they can't get along with no one. They demonize all other religions and beliefs. Then they go after all Christians who are not from their exact belief. Then the church divided into different factions. Some backing the preacher and some not. As a pagan I sit back and laugh at all this hate and mudslinging and am glad I'm not a Christian.
@@shadowwolf7622 you just described yourself. Re-read what you wrote. No person is better than another. God Bless and keep you
You nailed it in your first point... I am struggling to find a church now. But, it seems like so many preachers 2:43 are the "hero of the story".
My pastor does have good preaching, and I know God has called them into the ministry. He is the reason there is a church in that small community, he is the one who started it. But lately he has been more about money, but not in the typical sense. My dad is the assistant pastor and the head tends to try and put him down for not tithing as much as he does and tries to brag about how he has so much money. Everyone is sinful though, but this isn't something to right off.
I had a pastor compare elites from history to people from the tv show made in Chelsea.
Also i asked to be baptised and it seems he wants to make a show out of it and that I'll baptised into the local church and congregation and that there has to be a good few people present which doesn't seem to tie in line with the bible.
Also since i started attending again i haven't heard sin, repentance or born again mentioned once... may be time to look for another church.
God bless you guys.