Yes, church is a place that we expect to be a safe place and can get very hurt and disappointed when it is not. Church is not the building. It is the PEOPLE. Everyone is at a different place in their walk with God.We have to learn to set our own boundaries, to love and to forgive.
That's exactly how I felt the would constantly call me text me very overbearing at the time I had poor boundaries but it still hurts of how violated of my time I'm trying heal and forgive ai may even have to go to another church because my pain and disappointment has gotten in the way my walk with christ
Some people get hurt by Christians that misrepresent Jesus, and makes them look at God and see Him the wrong way! This is why we need to be very careful about our walk because this may be the only opportunity for some people to actually see the character of who Christ really is!
Wonderful 👏 words of Wisdom. Christianity has taken a beating because of poor behavior of believers. The one good thing is 'We can do better" Perhaps we can move away from Pride and learn to be humble before God and man. Pride comes before the fall.. but God gives Grace to the humble
So perfect, just perfect for me today. I have been undergoing a truly undeserved "clobbering" that is still going on, and I have been so hurt, especially by the stories going around. I'm still unsure how to proceed but the forgiveness being #1 over "what am I going to/should do?" is something I can do (through the Lord of course). I appreciate y'all sharing your experiences, sometimes you think Christians of position and influence have not experienced rejection, being hurt, lied about, etc but then you realize it's because they have and they have passed the test(s) that they have become people the Lord can trust with position and influence
I love these videos, because Joyce talks about life's issues from a Biblical perspective. Church hurt is real and a problem. It takes courage to Trust God dealing with these situations. But God will always come thru.
Real talk, we are never more vulnerable than when we are trying to to live right and do the right thing, but we have to always always look to Jesus and ask for His wisdom to know that we Do Not give what we get - but we always have to go higher and show love and mercy like Jesus, and forgive over and over and over again!
You're exactly right Jesus was would want us to do the right thing and to forgive over and over and over again thank you for that comment and never forget Jesus Loves You amen😇
the church is not a place....its the people. when you wake up to that reality that the show is just a show but real life relationships that are authentic are authentic. most churchs serve the staff and their career goals.
When I was a child I was deeply hurt by adult while visiting her church. I had a deep mistrust of Christians and church in general. Im still not able to go to church, but I am saved and I know who I am. I got to know Jesus in a proper way, all thanks to Joyce Myers and her teachings. Thank you❤
Beloved sister : listen very well this conversation. There’s no way of growing when we being a loner. That’s no God’s idea 💡, please 🙏 listen this very well. Blessings 🥰
Thank you for sharing. My heart hurts for what happened to you. Praying for your healing of your heart and connection to true brothers and sisters who love you like Jesus does.
I speak and pray healing for you in Jesus Name! May God heal your inner wounds and show you why He have allowed that hurt may you have a heart willing to genuinely forgive and bless and pray for that people who have hurt you and May God put you to a church where he wanted you to be , leaving the Church is not always the option, may God speak to you and May you willing fully ask for His will, I speak you will overcome in Jesus Name! Overcoming offense and let God be your defender, I speak hope and divine healing upon you. In Jesus Name love God love difficult people and forgive when it’s impossible. Pray about it God will change your heart into Christlikeness.. God Bless you brethren. Shalom
There are lot of things worse than that, but I agree that it's a problem. It starts with me. I can only control my own tongue. Worrying about what someone else says isn't worth my time.
Jeremiah 23:1 to 6; this is what the Lord gave me after deep hurt by the pastor. I cried out to God, immensely. I did it "David way" (if u know what i mean) completely honest with every feeling to God. I poured out myself for answers. He gave me this scripture and that began my healing. I tried to stay, because i was a long time loyal minister, but it was toxic for my spiritual health. I sensed the pastor preferred i left (and I've confirmed its true). I moved on, found a church. I'm not active in ministry yet as it was in the former church. I'm not guilty. Still healing, but in a happy place because God clearly told me what he does through his word. I have accepted to walk the healing journey with God. I know it will happen. Still born again, Jesus is my king! That scripture is huge! Read it and you can tell me. May God heal everyone, especially those hurt by pastors. Amen
So let's all forgive one another and ask God for wisdom because Jesus would want us to forgive them anyways sometimes it's hard to forgive someone but if you come to God and God knows our heart he will help us to forgive that person amen💙💚💛❤
Wow thank you for sharing this. It’s a real thing to go through situations like that in church. Seeking Jesus first has brought peace and love through the pain of being hurt in my church. God bless and hugs from Belize.
Church is the medicine place we go to get healing . We have to forgive and have a healing heart in order to move forward for the greater things that God has for us. Forgiving is a decision not a feeling . choose to forgive and walk in love , kindness its a process but great progress after ward . I love Jesus for all that he had already done for me!☺❤the Lord says come as you are! we all have been through different things in our life . we are all broken people. Let the holy spirit guide and lead you. not the people in the church. stay looking up and focused on the father God and Jesus Christ our savior the redeemed who loves you the most the same as yesterday, today and tommorow his love will never change !☺🙏❤
I've been told I'm not faithful enough to help anybody by the pastor but my faith is so strong in God no I can't believe this happened to me but they don't want to talk to me about it I was in children's ministry for a year and a half and I taught a little differently then they expected but it was helping the kids then Satan got into me I asked for forgiveness but I'm still not deemed faithful enough to help with the church
I got hurt and I don’t know how to go back to church so I’ll have the excuse that I’m visiting and not vomiting to one so I’m praying to get over it and go back because I want that grow up
Thank God for the idea of candid conversations! It is very humbling to learn from you maama Joyce and your amazing partner Ginger in a more candid way like this one. Honestly, each conversation is life changing in one way or the other. Peace and blessings to you.
I just watched that whole video to hear them talk about true church hurt (as opposed to just taking offense) like leadership abuse that slaps the face of “qualifications of church elders”, financial abuse, sexual sins, etc… and they never did! Ugh. Moving on to another video.
What is your response to ex-employees who are now on RUclips maligning your character? I was shocked to hear the things they said about Joyce. I've followed your ministry for years and attended a conference in St Louis years ago with my daughter. It was a wonderful, blessed time. Why is it that people think that it's more spiritual to be poor. One cannot help anyone else if you're poor. Keep on going Joyce and continue to be blessed!
God bless you Joyce you're my mentor I can't explain in words what uve been to me since waking up dead to where am at today it's priceless with pure intentions an up most respect it would be an honor to buy you a dinner super large starbucks coffee an share a vision an prayer for destiny love you
Im dealing with this right now. Being hurt by your church is sooo painful. The one place to go for refuge is where you find hurt? Ive been a member for almost a year. I cant tell you how many times Ive left church in TEARS. Joyce is right. My expectations were totally wrong about church. Im a baby with Christ now. I feel like this is stunting my growth with God and church. I want to leave and just worship God alone. But I know he does not want that for me. Im so lost Idk what to do. When I fist started going and I was being mistreated All I would here is "Focus on me" just focus on me so I did. Then my Pastor started teaching about love and loving and treating eachother with love. They kind of changed but I still feel it was forced. Idk I just need help Im really want to speak ro my Pastor but dont want to upset him. Please help any advice? Its about the Glory of God...not this nonscense
Hey I know I’m seeing this long after you posted… do you mind me asking what you ended up doing with the situation? When you’re encountering stress at church I think the choice is always between a) can I still make this work or b) do I need to find a different church? And how you arrive at a conclusion really depends on your relationship with the other parties, whether they hold an office at that church , how the leadership is handling (or not handling) it, whether you see a distinct calling for you to be at that church, etc. But what I’m trying to get at is, someway somehow the Lord chose for the church to be His bride. God explicitly wants us to gather together on a regular basis, invest in each other, bear with each other, be accountable to each other. We are sheep who belong in a herd, not line wolves who are to roam the earth on our own terms. So if not THIS church , it’s gonna be A church. If you look at what the Bible says, a lot of the commandments we draw from the New Testament already assume that we’re committing to a community of other Christians in a covenantal relationship. So as far as what’s biblical, God wants us to be actively involved in a local church. Finding a church where you can safely put down roots, grow and serve can take a while. There may be a couple false starts, or good seasons that don’t last forever. That doesn’t mean a long term church home isn’t out there for you. I’ve been hurt pretty severely in church. I’m now, again, going through a stretch with the church I’m at where I’m not sure if we’re gonna be able to stay together or whether our covenant is gonna be irreparably broken. It doesn’t feel good. But it gets easier to bear. I’m still grateful for all the good things that have come out of my time there. I’m grateful even for this painful time cause I’m learning to lean on the Lord and not be so surprised when broken and imperfect people do messed up stuff. If we dont make it, I’ll be at some other church next Sunday with faith that God will either keep me there or find me another one the Sunday after until I can confidently settle. Wherever you’re at now, if you end up seeing this, I hope you’re doing good and these thoughts are helpful, in retrospect and for the future. Blessings
Beautiful, loved it 👍 there’s no way of growing in love if you don’t face those uncomfortable situations. May the Lord equip us to forgive one another, we are brothers 💕
It's naive to assume the only thing causing church hurt are people in the church and those who are not Christians or immature Christians. The biggest church hurt is that caused by pastors and leaders and the church as a whole. I lost Everything because of the church I went to. Home, income, job, now I'm swimming my way out of debts. They robbed me of a good relationship with Christ. It's no joke. It's a terrible trauma and probably one of the worst. Once your relationship with God is affected, it changes Ur entire life for the worst. I feel this clip only touches upon fairly small scale church hurt. Preaching forgiveness to those who have been hurt and traumatised won't help. They've been left broken
I honestly don't think after what I have been going through in church I want to go back to church again. Though I wonder what I will do coz it's all that I know.
An apron tied, giving, giving on the linoleum. Blanket the cactus needles. DC Talk sits here in the pew with a hymnal. Up, vacuum, whisperings, and a hands-on hug. Flush with anger, a Bible and a box of tissue & band-aids. Run! Fire! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Touchie??? No! I am a 4 decade survivor. Why can't members behave themselves. Saying touchie is like putting the blame on the victim, excusing the victimized of all responsibilities of their wrongful behaviors. Sometimes it's a process to not being touchie, depending on the relationship the victim has with Christ. Not everyone experiencing church hurt can go right to the needs of their victimizer. The victim may need some compassion, understanding, encouragement, and a listening ear,, that come from a spiritual mature person. Thanks for the presentation! ❤
I think by touchie she probably means little things or accidental hurts. Last year I invited most of the ladies from my church to come to an art party where we painted together a picture of our hope in God. Anyway, I didn't invite the ladies who I knew were physically unable because of their health. I couldn't decide what to do. On one hand, they might be offended to not be invited, but I've also seen people get offended by invites saying things like "Didn't she know I was a shut in? Is this a mean joke to invite me when she knows I can't go?" I agonized over it. I couldn't figure out how not to offend someone. Actually being victimized is another matter, I think she was just referring to people that are easily offended and assume people mean harm when they're just forgetful or don't know how to navigate the situation (like in my case).
When I was about 7 years old the family preacher took me for a walk and he decided it would be personally advantageous to call me the son of the devil. So what do I do now? Work with the 9 Kings. Face your fear. J.
That is exactly what happened to my life which was once upon a time full of creative talents and over time how all the surrounding wolves in sheeps' clothing cunningly take away from you...usually by rude commentary in the motive to berate/demean someone in order to make themselves more superior or 'favored' (and then more supported) by the InnerFold. The InnerFold as I have been a PRISONER to my parents for years, recently to my sister and her husband (then moved out of their home) and now tenants who are also selfishly all individually fighting for their own freedom and wealth gains. When and where does it end where I can have acutal peace in my life? The experience of the Innerfold is an ongoing battle ground and many lives are being either ruined or hurt by someone else's effort to have it be about them only.
That was really helpful, but I really wish you would’ve touched on being hurt by your pastor(s). This has happened to me. Actually it was happening little by little over a period of time n I kept forgiving n stayed in my church bc I truly wanted to continue to love it. However, more recently there was an incident that was just too intentional on their part that was Very Hurtful n after much prayer, God made it clear to me that I needed to leave. (Actually I think He he had been putting that on my heart for a while and I just didn’t want to believe it.) So, I have left. The only problem (that was one of the problems all along) is I live in a rural area and it is very hard to find a non-denominational or Penecostal or just Christian church around here. I have found one. It is a half an hour away and the pastor sermons, although very good, are pre-recorded n played on the screen n the worship time is not nearly as exuberant or long as it was in my last church. So I am still not sure I am where I’m supposed to be, but for now it’s the only church available.
Curious what you guys think about when someone calls you an alcoholic in church? That really hurt me before I knew how to deal with it. It was by a girl in the church who I had zero interest in. I've not even tried to let any girls in after that.
That’s horrible. I’m sorry you should never be shamed for how much often you choose to give no one should be looking. I get uncomfortable around offering time as well.
Hello Joyce Meyers, There is a lot of good things you said in your talk about church hurt in this video. There is much to be said in favor of looking to an individual’s (mine) own responses and expectations. There is much to be said about removing the beam from one’s own eye before removing the speck from your neighbor’s. However, I was thinking about some of your “church hurt counsel” if you will and I do have a concern. When you presented the response of one suffering church hurt, you presented the idea of “making excuses”. Although that may be truthful, may I interject that it is not a good way of attracting the person you are dealing with, nor is it a good motivator. In my church hurt situations, and there were many, I cannot think of one single instance where being accused of making excuses helped me and motivated me toward good biblical responses. If anything, accusations of any kind regardless of their truthfulness have pushed me away and made my already difficult task of humbling myself before God even more difficult. And I am certain I share this with many simply by respect of our human nature. The only good I can think of about making accusations is that they may give the counselor a sense release. But in a counseling session, is that a good time for a counselor to seek such release? There is a time for that, but not at the expense of the person who has come to you with some expectation that you are a safe place after being mowed over by the goings-on of his church hurt experience. May I suggest if I could that perhaps the scripture that encourages us to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) might leave open a more empathetic avenue. Perhaps for an initial season, moving away from hard talk. Perhaps for that season, providing your client with an empathetic “landing zone” if you will, might have a more calming effect on his heart. Some activities that might provide empathy may include: (a) open-ended listening with minimal interruption; (b) making supportive statements (eg. “I can understand why you were hurt by this” and perhaps some personal accounts of your own experiences); (c) simple diversions, such as offering coffee and donuts; etc. etc. etc. I hope I’m making sense here. I have been in quite a few therapy sessions with clients. As such I have learned to be sensitive in a way to obtain my client’s trust. Then at the right time, we can bring out the harder talk gloves if you will. All too often in my experiences I have seen the hard talk gloves come out in short order, even before I got to know the fellow bellowing at me. Often, I would see no safe recourse than to get up and walk away. And, as you so eloquently described, I would leave out carrying all that anger and animosity with me. So, for the sake of your discourse in this video, I lean towards it as being a basis for counseling. Yes, I was pushed away at the point where you began speaking of excuses. Perhaps somehow this idea of a season of empathy might do well in a video like that such that when we come to talking about excuses (hard talk gloves, that is), your client is in a safe place and ready to hear that truth. I hope you have found this helpful. Richard
RE: the "Church" is full of people just like everybody else; the "Church" ought not to be full of people, much less led by people who are just like everybody else! God's people are called to a higher standard, to be different, not conforming to the world's mindset. Life itself brings enough stress, anxiety, and contention without putting up with church drama and toxic politics coming from the Body of Christ. Sadly, however, that seems to be what happens.
So Joyce n Ginger. Church hurt came from a Pastor's wife. I had noticed something wasnt right with her attitude towards me. Then ... 'BAM' ! ......showdown - left me speechless. So...I took it to God that Sunday..then took it to her husband the Pastor...in lan email ...on the Monday. He...asked her to come n talk to me the next Sunday - out of the blue. She...was suppressiing her anger while trying ti justify her words n behaviour...which was esp.bad..cos it was in front of an evangelistic outreach event. I was...as gracious as possible..didn't want it to...'scare me out if the Church' ..but I wasn't heing heard. I left...for...'overal reasons' soon after. We caught eachother's gaze at the Mall.....nothing had changed - on her part....she still was...n probably still IS - her own problem.
The real prblm is most of tge chrches are a project church forvthe rrak church is the community of the brothers and this the most important thing , there is no real pastoring and it ain't organised, m facing the problem, most of the churches come worship hear the sermon and go home and each one is alone facing the difficulties of life in time that the Lord moved us from the world to have a consolation between each other in church and the whts missing.....
That’s so true because church does have a lot of hypocrites they see pastors being enslaved hurt tame shamed and reprimanded and don’t even say what they are being held upon in Jesus name I pray amen . 1 Juan 139 1:9 confesa los pecados . 1 John 1:9 confess the sins Joyce just yesterday’s was being held upon persecutions her sight was about to be robe because she probably is finding out something god doesn’t want her to know in Jesus name I pray amen. Song of Songs 5:1-16 those watchmens of the walls were the watchmens of the walls that tried not to say anything in jesús name I pray amen . Cantar de los cantares 5:1-16 okay Jesús I forgive because life is too demanding in oppression are love. Los guardias de los muros son señor Jesús.
I don't even have to listen to this one. It happens. You would not expect but it does. The Lord sent me to this church which was 99.9% Caucasian. I know now why I was sent there. They talked about me like a dog. They were so prejudice. They talked about the way I dressed. My hair. The way I praised the Lord. I was wild. I was loud. I wasn't trying to fit in enough to them. They had a dessert contest. They took my pie and they destroyed it! I had literally everyone in the church did not like me. The pastor was against me. He made some remark about me over the rostrum/ podium. I did not say a word out of respect of his 'leadership'. Believe I hit my knees so hard. I told the Lord that it was disrespectful and inappropriate what he said about me. The next time I was at church, he literally ran up to me and apologize in his way. It was a wild ride for 8 months, I think. There was only one tiny Caucasian lady whom befriended me. The others pretended but I know racism from miles away. I am use to it! I have so many stories! Hilarious! I was at a store. The cashier was soo racists towards me. I wasn't going to say anything except Thank You. But the Lord had me to open my mouth. So I am standing there with my mouth opened looking at her. The next thing i knew God said through me " don't let my skin color take you to hell". My eyes got wide. That was so Jesus!! I did not say that at all. That was totally Jesus. I was like Woah!! I turned and walked away. I guess some people think there is going to be a whites only section in heaven or a black people only section in heaven or a Jews for Jesus only section.... Newsflash.... If you can't get along down here, you will not be up there! You are not going! You are going straight to hell with the devil. Plain and simple! Simple and plain! Yes, I am used to prejudice people. They don't bother me. I am a black girl with a predominantly white girl's name. Thats a target on my back right there. Right out the gate.... Prejudice is just ignorance really in terms of lack of knowledge/understanding. I stayed at the Caucasian church until my assignment was completed. That church was a mess before I got there. I was good grief Jesus! God always sends me to places right before he destroys them. He either shuts the place down or totally uproot management. I would say 80% of the places closed after I left. Its weird for a lack of a better term. I feel like God has me like the guy who told Hezekiah to get his house in order or lights out. All my life really...especially with Caucasian racists people. God for some reason has always had me being the one telling folk to get their act together. Why? I have absolutely no clue? I am usually the quiet before the storm. Its like I am the warning and try to get them back on track. Most of the management would not listen. They were like who are you? I felt like 'David' honestly. I had the bears, lions, alligators, snakes, rats, you name it. All the time, it was just Jesus and me! A skinny black girl from Detroit with Jesus going against a bunch of racists white management/owners. So many..... God gets tired though! Then He dumps me right smack in the middle of it??? I am like really, Jesus😉? Lol... I am used to it though. It's been that way since I was 12 years old. Jesus, me and racists Caucasian managers and owners of businesses. My Mom told me that they have to rise up against me before God can enter in and render judgement to whomever its suppose to be for or to. I guess like the sacrificial lamb or something?? Most of the places I have been, God shut them down or fired the ones who came against me. My Papa scared me one time. There was a king in Africa. He didn't want my Papa over there. I think my Papa was building a school or the clinic/hospital. Anyway, he tried to have my Papa killed. Some man rose up and overthrew his government and killed the king that was threatening my Papa. The man who overthrew the king went to my Papa and told him to keep doing what he was doing. I am not afraid of man or what they try to do to me! I am not afraid of Goliaths! There are some good black men out there in this huge world somewhere. One race of people are not all bad. You can't throw everyone under the bus. Not all women are gold diggers. My Mom raised me to work hard and make my own money. My Mother also used to say God has His people everywhere!!!! 😄 God has His people everywhere..... Blessings to anyone who read this novel..... Thanks for reading! Hoped it helped! 🙏🙌🔥🔥
I hope some day He let's you be around nice white people as well, but perhaps you are serving as a wake up call. The Bible says whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness... perhaps you will help a few to see the light. Be blessed.
This is heartbreaking. I’ve only read the first few sentences, but I’m going to read the rest. Wow, you went through a lot. I was hurt on my baptism day
It's very sad and inexcusable that we can't expect to be in the house of God with God followers and not expect to be hurt. Ridiculous and very offputting.
L m been hurt my church my church doing stuff behind my back saying nasty stuff about me cause lm disabled and have mental health lm very hurt and stopped going to church what should l do like l say how l feel get judge that l not taken my meds when l have
Okay, but what if the pastor abuses you?? Not even talking about getting offended. We're talking about physical, emotional, and worse. We're so quick to toss out followers for a one time mistake or offense, but not even glance at a pastor for their purposeful wrongs
Interviewer tried her best to find words of comfort and encouragement for the victims of church hurt but all we got is gaslighting. 😅 Seriously. You can't ask victims to simply forgive without even going through the process of acknowledging their pain. This is just pointless talk, and this is the reason why church abuse continues. We all hide in that same old "we're all just broken people here" so we can justify the trashy way we deal with others. I said what I said.
Being a good example and hoping others notice is a poor plan. You’re setting yourself up for more pain. I totally disagree with her. People suck in general so just expect the sin.
Greetings, It's odd and curious how filthy, immoral and degrading videos will get Tens of thousands of views yet godly content like this one gets significantly less... 🤔
Yes, church is a place that we expect to be a safe place and can get very hurt and disappointed when it is not. Church is not the building. It is the PEOPLE. Everyone is at a different place in their walk with God.We have to learn to set our own boundaries, to love and to forgive.
Well put cheers🥂
Behaviors that hurt others in church are equal to bullying!
That's exactly how I felt the would constantly call me text me very overbearing at the time I had poor boundaries but it still hurts of how violated of my time I'm trying heal and forgive ai may even have to go to another church because my pain and disappointment has gotten in the way my walk with christ
Some people get hurt by Christians that misrepresent Jesus, and makes them look at God and see Him the wrong way! This is why we need to be very careful about our walk because this may be the only opportunity for some people to actually see the character of who Christ really is!
Wonderful 👏 words of Wisdom. Christianity has taken a beating because of poor behavior of believers. The one good thing is 'We can do better" Perhaps we can move away from Pride and learn to be humble before God and man. Pride comes before the fall.. but God gives Grace to the humble
I think jealousy is a huge problem in the church today.
Church hurt is the worse hurt. Thank you Jesus that i have learn to forgive.
Hello everyone who may have been hurt by the church, God's peace and forgiveness to you. God is your vindicator, be at peace 🕊️
Such kind words, like salve on a wound, thank you ❤
I have been hurt in church. I have been told that people don't like me. I have begun to believe this.
So perfect, just perfect for me today. I have been undergoing a truly undeserved "clobbering" that is still going on, and I have been so hurt, especially by the stories going around. I'm still unsure how to proceed but the forgiveness being #1 over "what am I going to/should do?" is something I can do (through the Lord of course).
I appreciate y'all sharing your experiences, sometimes you think Christians of position and influence have not experienced rejection, being hurt, lied about, etc but then you realize it's because they have and they have passed the test(s) that they have become people the Lord can trust with position and influence
Good morning beautiful people around the world please have wonderful blessed day
And you have a blessed day too and God bless you and never forget Jesus loves you with all his heart amen💙
So much godly wisdom from Joyce!!
I love these videos, because Joyce talks about life's issues from a Biblical perspective. Church hurt is real and a problem. It takes courage to Trust God dealing with these situations. But God will always come thru.
Real talk, we are never more vulnerable than when we are trying to to live right and do the right thing, but we have to always always look to Jesus and ask for His wisdom to know that we Do Not give what we get - but we always have to go higher and show love and mercy like Jesus, and forgive over and over and over again!
You're exactly right Jesus was would want us to do the right thing and to forgive over and over and over again thank you for that comment and never forget Jesus Loves You amen😇
the church is not a place....its the people. when you wake up to that reality that the show is just a show but real life relationships that are authentic are authentic. most churchs serve the staff and their career goals.
When I was a child I was deeply hurt by adult while visiting her church. I had a deep mistrust of Christians and church in general. Im still not able to go to church, but I am saved and I know who I am. I got to know Jesus in a proper way, all thanks to Joyce Myers and her teachings. Thank you❤
Beloved sister : listen very well this conversation. There’s no way of growing when we being a loner. That’s no God’s idea 💡, please 🙏 listen this very well. Blessings 🥰
Thank you for sharing. My heart hurts for what happened to you. Praying for your healing of your heart and connection to true brothers and sisters who love you like Jesus does.
I speak and pray healing for you in Jesus Name! May God heal your inner wounds and show you why He have allowed that hurt may you have a heart willing to genuinely forgive and bless and pray for that people who have hurt you and May God put you to a church where he wanted you to be , leaving the Church is not always the option, may God speak to you and May you willing fully ask for His will, I speak you will overcome in Jesus Name! Overcoming offense and let God be your defender, I speak hope and divine healing upon you. In Jesus Name love God love difficult people and forgive when it’s impossible. Pray about it God will change your heart into Christlikeness.. God Bless you brethren. Shalom
There is nothing worse than GOSSIP in the Church that you attend.! Especially when the people concerned are supposed to be your friends.!
There are lot of things worse than that, but I agree that it's a problem. It starts with me. I can only control my own tongue. Worrying about what someone else says isn't worth my time.
Jeremiah 23:1 to 6; this is what the Lord gave me after deep hurt by the pastor. I cried out to God, immensely. I did it "David way" (if u know what i mean) completely honest with every feeling to God. I poured out myself for answers. He gave me this scripture and that began my healing. I tried to stay, because i was a long time loyal minister, but it was toxic for my spiritual health. I sensed the pastor preferred i left (and I've confirmed its true). I moved on, found a church. I'm not active in ministry yet as it was in the former church. I'm not guilty. Still healing, but in a happy place because God clearly told me what he does through his word. I have accepted to walk the healing journey with God. I know it will happen. Still born again, Jesus is my king! That scripture is huge! Read it and you can tell me. May God heal everyone, especially those hurt by pastors. Amen
Choosing to believe the best in people saves a ton of misery - Joyce Meyer 💕💕
The first step to healing is forgiving
Sometimes we are caught off guard, especially when a new believer.
So let's all forgive one another and ask God for wisdom because Jesus would want us to forgive them anyways sometimes it's hard to forgive someone but if you come to God and God knows our heart he will help us to forgive that person amen💙💚💛❤
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Believe the best of people amen.This video is such a blessing
Wow thank you for sharing this. It’s a real thing to go through situations like that in church. Seeking Jesus first has brought peace and love through the pain of being hurt in my church. God bless and hugs from Belize.
We should not go situation and think that we can't be hurt but trust in God. Amen
Church is the medicine place we go to get healing . We have to forgive and have a healing heart in order to move forward for the greater things that God has for us. Forgiving is a decision not a feeling . choose to forgive and walk in love , kindness its a process but great progress after ward . I love Jesus for all that he had already done for me!☺❤the Lord says come as you are! we all have been through different things in our life . we are all broken people. Let the holy spirit guide and lead you. not the people in the church. stay looking up and focused on the father God and Jesus Christ our savior the redeemed who loves you the most the same as yesterday, today and tommorow his love will never change !☺🙏❤
I've been told I'm not faithful enough to help anybody by the pastor but my faith is so strong in God no I can't believe this happened to me but they don't want to talk to me about it I was in children's ministry for a year and a half and I taught a little differently then they expected but it was helping the kids then Satan got into me I asked for forgiveness but I'm still not deemed faithful enough to help with the church
Wow! This video was very enlightening! Now I understand your positioning better. What an extraordinary woman!
I got hurt and I don’t know how to go back to church so I’ll have the excuse that I’m visiting and not vomiting to one so I’m praying to get over it and go back because I want that grow up
Thank you ladies,, Sometimes we need to leave the church, if situations get violent.
When hurt by a church, there is no place to go.
Yes there is a place to go, you go to God you go to your secret prayer closet
@@FollowingJesus17 Yup. Blessings.
Lird Jesus Cheist I need your grace, mercy, presence, love
Thank God for the idea of candid conversations! It is very humbling to learn from you maama Joyce and your amazing partner Ginger in a more candid way like this one. Honestly, each conversation is life changing in one way or the other. Peace and blessings to you.
Good to know your value and walk in CONFIDENCE in the Lord because people will treat you how you believe and feel about yourself!
Thank your for this video. It helped me much more than I thought I would 🙏🏾
I agree, don't go to church and expect anything. Then you can't be hurt.
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You are Not Part of Joyce Mayer Ministers
You are a fake.
Leave Me Satan.
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@Joyce mayer We know you are NOT from Joyce Meyer Ministry!! We rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Leave this site n leave people alone!
STOP TAKING MONEY FROM THE POOR BUT HELP THE POOR!!
God bless you ma
Thanks mama Joyce meyer thank you for an encouragement to always be quick to forgive and appologize
I just watched that whole video to hear them talk about true church hurt (as opposed to just taking offense) like leadership abuse that slaps the face of “qualifications of church elders”, financial abuse, sexual sins, etc… and they never did! Ugh. Moving on to another video.
Very encouraging througg Jesus Christ, love you ladies.
What is your response to ex-employees who are now on RUclips maligning your character? I was shocked to hear the things they said about Joyce. I've followed your ministry for years and attended a conference in St Louis years ago with my daughter. It was a wonderful, blessed time. Why is it that people think that it's more spiritual to be poor. One cannot help anyone else if you're poor. Keep on going Joyce and continue to be blessed!
Thank you from pakistan 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
God bless you Joyce you're my mentor I can't explain in words what uve been to me since waking up dead to where am at today it's priceless with pure intentions an up most respect it would be an honor to buy you a dinner super large starbucks coffee an share a vision an prayer for destiny love you
Thanks!
Thank you Joyce, and also, your team. You helped me overcome many pains and hurts.
Im dealing with this right now. Being hurt by your church is sooo painful. The one place to go for refuge is where you find hurt? Ive been a member for almost a year. I cant tell you how many times Ive left church in TEARS. Joyce is right. My expectations were totally wrong about church. Im a baby with Christ now. I feel like this is stunting my growth with God and church. I want to leave and just worship God alone. But I know he does not want that for me. Im so lost Idk what to do. When I fist started going and I was being mistreated All I would here is "Focus on me" just focus on me so I did. Then my Pastor started teaching about love and loving and treating eachother with love. They kind of changed but I still feel it was forced. Idk I just need help Im really want to speak ro my Pastor but dont want to upset him. Please help any advice? Its about the Glory of God...not this nonscense
Hey I know I’m seeing this long after you posted… do you mind me asking what you ended up doing with the situation?
When you’re encountering stress at church I think the choice is always between a) can I still make this work or b) do I need to find a different church? And how you arrive at a conclusion really depends on your relationship with the other parties, whether they hold an office at that church , how the leadership is handling (or not handling) it, whether you see a distinct calling for you to be at that church, etc.
But what I’m trying to get at is, someway somehow the Lord chose for the church to be His bride. God explicitly wants us to gather together on a regular basis, invest in each other, bear with each other, be accountable to each other. We are sheep who belong in a herd, not line wolves who are to roam the earth on our own terms. So if not THIS church , it’s gonna be A church. If you look at what the Bible says, a lot of the commandments we draw from the New Testament already assume that we’re committing to a community of other Christians in a covenantal relationship. So as far as what’s biblical, God wants us to be actively involved in a local church.
Finding a church where you can safely put down roots, grow and serve can take a while. There may be a couple false starts, or good seasons that don’t last forever. That doesn’t mean a long term church home isn’t out there for you. I’ve been hurt pretty severely in church. I’m now, again, going through a stretch with the church I’m at where I’m not sure if we’re gonna be able to stay together or whether our covenant is gonna be irreparably broken. It doesn’t feel good. But it gets easier to bear. I’m still grateful for all the good things that have come out of my time there. I’m grateful even for this painful time cause I’m learning to lean on the Lord and not be so surprised when broken and imperfect people do messed up stuff. If we dont make it, I’ll be at some other church next Sunday with faith that God will either keep me there or find me another one the Sunday after until I can confidently settle.
Wherever you’re at now, if you end up seeing this, I hope you’re doing good and these thoughts are helpful, in retrospect and for the future. Blessings
I feel your pain. They hurt me on my baptism day.
So helpful
Love this episode 💖🎉
Very encouraging love you both
Beautiful, loved it 👍 there’s no way of growing in love if you don’t face those uncomfortable situations. May the Lord equip us to forgive one another, we are brothers 💕
Thank you for this it has really helped me to forgive and pray for them, praying for my enemies is my responsibility.
Thank you so much for this!!!💓💓💓
I needed this 😭❤
Remember me in your prayers 🙏🌷
Much thanks
Thank you so much hearing this has helped me and the timing for me to hear it is perfect... Lord you are a very loving friend 🙏
It's naive to assume the only thing causing church hurt are people in the church and those who are not Christians or immature Christians. The biggest church hurt is that caused by pastors and leaders and the church as a whole. I lost Everything because of the church I went to. Home, income, job, now I'm swimming my way out of debts. They robbed me of a good relationship with Christ. It's no joke. It's a terrible trauma and probably one of the worst. Once your relationship with God is affected, it changes Ur entire life for the worst. I feel this clip only touches upon fairly small scale church hurt. Preaching forgiveness to those who have been hurt and traumatised won't help. They've been left broken
Thank you so much! I’ve written notes this is very helpful for what I’m going through Blessings
Joyce said no lies. People hurt you in all relationships & it shouldn't stop you from going to church.
I was hurt by people in church on my baptism day of all days
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Thank you teach me how to deal with this mentality.
Thank u
I honestly don't think after what I have been going through in church I want to go back to church again. Though I wonder what I will do coz it's all that I know.
An apron tied, giving, giving on the linoleum. Blanket the cactus needles. DC Talk sits here in the pew with a hymnal. Up, vacuum, whisperings, and a hands-on hug. Flush with anger, a Bible and a box of tissue & band-aids. Run! Fire! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Hugs from Slovenija. 😘
Exactly what I think. It gets overwhelming
Touchie??? No! I am a 4 decade survivor. Why can't members behave themselves. Saying touchie is like putting the blame on the victim, excusing the victimized of all responsibilities of their wrongful behaviors. Sometimes it's a process to not being touchie, depending on the relationship the victim has with Christ. Not everyone experiencing church hurt can go right to the needs of their victimizer. The victim may need some compassion, understanding, encouragement, and a listening ear,, that come from a spiritual mature person. Thanks for the presentation! ❤
I think by touchie she probably means little things or accidental hurts. Last year I invited most of the ladies from my church to come to an art party where we painted together a picture of our hope in God. Anyway, I didn't invite the ladies who I knew were physically unable because of their health. I couldn't decide what to do. On one hand, they might be offended to not be invited, but I've also seen people get offended by invites saying things like "Didn't she know I was a shut in? Is this a mean joke to invite me when she knows I can't go?" I agonized over it. I couldn't figure out how not to offend someone. Actually being victimized is another matter, I think she was just referring to people that are easily offended and assume people mean harm when they're just forgetful or don't know how to navigate the situation (like in my case).
this is excellent Joyce! Keep it coming woman! Xxx 🐒🐵🦧
When I was about 7 years old the family preacher took me for a walk and he decided it would be personally advantageous to call me the son of the devil. So what do I do now?
Work with the 9 Kings. Face your fear.
J.
Give it to God and Jesus he loves you and so do i
I’m sorry 😐
This was awesome 👌🏾
100 persent right🌠
That is exactly what happened to my life which was once upon a time full of creative talents and over time how all the surrounding wolves in sheeps' clothing cunningly take away from you...usually by rude commentary in the motive to berate/demean someone in order to make themselves more superior or 'favored' (and then more supported) by the InnerFold. The InnerFold as I have been a PRISONER to my parents for years, recently to my sister and her husband (then moved out of their home) and now tenants who are also selfishly all individually fighting for their own freedom and wealth gains. When and where does it end where I can have acutal peace in my life? The experience of the Innerfold is an ongoing battle ground and many lives are being either ruined or hurt by someone else's effort to have it be about them only.
Yes whom ever that was.
Jesus repellant.
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That was really helpful, but I really wish you would’ve touched on being hurt by your pastor(s). This has happened to me. Actually it was happening little by little over a period of time n I kept forgiving n stayed in my church bc I truly wanted to continue to love it. However, more recently there was an incident that was just too intentional on their part that was Very Hurtful n after much prayer, God made it clear to me that I needed to leave. (Actually I think He he had been putting that on my heart for a while and I just didn’t want to believe it.) So, I have left. The only problem (that was one of the problems all along) is I live in a rural area and it is very hard to find a non-denominational or Penecostal or just Christian church around here. I have found one. It is a half an hour away and the pastor sermons, although very good, are pre-recorded n played on the screen n the worship time is not nearly as exuberant or long as it was in my last church. So I am still not sure I am where I’m supposed to be, but for now it’s the only church available.
I’ve got
Confronted by a mother of a guy I was dealing with at the end of church service
True church is a hospital for unfuntional
Curious what you guys think about when someone calls you an alcoholic in church? That really hurt me before I knew how to deal with it. It was by a girl in the church who I had zero interest in. I've not even tried to let any girls in after that.
A deacon said something about how much I gave in the offering plate. I told my husband.
That’s horrible. I’m sorry you should never be shamed for how much often you choose to give no one should be looking. I get uncomfortable around offering time as well.
Hello Joyce Meyers,
There is a lot of good things you said in your talk about church hurt in this video. There is much to be said in favor of looking to an individual’s (mine) own responses and expectations. There is much to be said about removing the beam from one’s own eye before removing the speck from your neighbor’s. However, I was thinking about some of your “church hurt counsel” if you will and I do have a concern. When you presented the response of one suffering church hurt, you presented the idea of “making excuses”. Although that may be truthful, may I interject that it is not a good way of attracting the person you are dealing with, nor is it a good motivator. In my church hurt situations, and there were many, I cannot think of one single instance where being accused of making excuses helped me and motivated me toward good biblical responses. If anything, accusations of any kind regardless of their truthfulness have pushed me away and made my already difficult task of humbling myself before God even more difficult. And I am certain I share this with many simply by respect of our human nature. The only good I can think of about making accusations is that they may give the counselor a sense release. But in a counseling session, is that a good time for a counselor to seek such release? There is a time for that, but not at the expense of the person who has come to you with some expectation that you are a safe place after being mowed over by the goings-on of his church hurt experience. May I suggest if I could that perhaps the scripture that encourages us to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) might leave open a more empathetic avenue. Perhaps for an initial season, moving away from hard talk. Perhaps for that season, providing your client with an empathetic “landing zone” if you will, might have a more calming effect on his heart. Some activities that might provide empathy may include: (a) open-ended listening with minimal interruption; (b) making supportive statements (eg. “I can understand why you were hurt by this” and perhaps some personal accounts of your own experiences); (c) simple diversions, such as offering coffee and donuts; etc. etc. etc. I hope I’m making sense here. I have been in quite a few therapy sessions with clients. As such I have learned to be sensitive in a way to obtain my client’s trust. Then at the right time, we can bring out the harder talk gloves if you will. All too often in my experiences I have seen the hard talk gloves come out in short order, even before I got to know the fellow bellowing at me. Often, I would see no safe recourse than to get up and walk away. And, as you so eloquently described, I would leave out carrying all that anger and animosity with me. So, for the sake of your discourse in this video, I lean towards it as being a basis for counseling. Yes, I was pushed away at the point where you began speaking of excuses. Perhaps somehow this idea of a season of empathy might do well in a video like that such that when we come to talking about excuses (hard talk gloves, that is), your client is in a safe place and ready to hear that truth. I hope you have found this helpful.
Richard
Ive had more barstool honest best people than people inside the church
No hurt like church hurt
RE: the "Church" is full of people just like everybody else; the "Church" ought not to be full of people, much less led by people who are just like everybody else! God's people are called to a higher standard, to be different, not conforming to the world's mindset. Life itself brings enough stress, anxiety, and contention without putting up with church drama and toxic politics coming from the Body of Christ. Sadly, however, that seems to be what happens.
So Joyce n Ginger.
Church hurt came from a Pastor's wife. I had noticed something wasnt right with her attitude towards me.
Then ... 'BAM' ! ......showdown - left me speechless.
So...I took it to God that Sunday..then took it to her husband the Pastor...in lan email ...on the Monday.
He...asked her to come n talk to me the next Sunday - out of the blue.
She...was suppressiing her anger while trying ti justify her words n behaviour...which was esp.bad..cos it was in front of an evangelistic outreach event.
I was...as gracious as possible..didn't want it to...'scare me out if the Church' ..but I wasn't heing heard.
I left...for...'overal reasons' soon after.
We caught eachother's gaze at the Mall.....nothing had changed - on her part....she still was...n probably still IS - her own problem.
Forgive and leave vengeance to God. Look unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Everybody else has a fallen spirit.
That was me.
What does it mean when ...uve heard god tell u bcareful who u touch joyce
The real prblm is most of tge chrches are a project church forvthe rrak church is the community of the brothers and this the most important thing , there is no real pastoring and it ain't organised, m facing the problem, most of the churches come worship hear the sermon and go home and each one is alone facing the difficulties of life in time that the Lord moved us from the world to have a consolation between each other in church and the whts missing.....
That’s so true because church does have a lot of hypocrites they see pastors being enslaved hurt tame shamed and reprimanded and don’t even say what they are being held upon in Jesus name I pray amen . 1 Juan 139 1:9 confesa los pecados . 1 John 1:9 confess the sins Joyce just yesterday’s was being held upon persecutions her sight was about to be robe because she probably is finding out something god doesn’t want her to know in Jesus name I pray amen. Song of Songs 5:1-16 those watchmens of the walls were the watchmens of the walls that tried not to say anything in jesús name I pray amen . Cantar de los cantares 5:1-16 okay Jesús I forgive because life is too demanding in oppression are love. Los guardias de los muros son señor Jesús.
I don't even have to listen to this one. It happens. You would not expect but it does. The Lord sent me to this church which was 99.9% Caucasian. I know now why I was sent there. They talked about me like a dog. They were so prejudice. They talked about the way I dressed. My hair. The way I praised the Lord. I was wild. I was loud. I wasn't trying to fit in enough to them. They had a dessert contest. They took my pie and they destroyed it! I had literally everyone in the church did not like me. The pastor was against me. He made some remark about me over the rostrum/ podium. I did not say a word out of respect of his 'leadership'. Believe I hit my knees so hard. I told the Lord that it was disrespectful and inappropriate what he said about me. The next time I was at church, he literally ran up to me and apologize in his way.
It was a wild ride for 8 months, I think. There was only one tiny Caucasian lady whom befriended me. The others pretended but I know racism from miles away. I am use to it! I have so many stories! Hilarious!
I was at a store. The cashier was soo racists towards me. I wasn't going to say anything except Thank You. But the Lord had me to open my mouth. So I am standing there with my mouth opened looking at her. The next thing i knew God said through me " don't let my skin color take you to hell". My eyes got wide. That was so Jesus!! I did not say that at all. That was totally Jesus. I was like Woah!! I turned and walked away.
I guess some people think there is going to be a whites only section in heaven or a black people only section in heaven or a Jews for Jesus only section....
Newsflash.... If you can't get along down here, you will not be up there! You are not going! You are going straight to hell with the devil. Plain and simple! Simple and plain! Yes, I am used to prejudice people. They don't bother me. I am a black girl with a predominantly white girl's name. Thats a target on my back right there. Right out the gate.... Prejudice is just ignorance really in terms of lack of knowledge/understanding. I stayed at the Caucasian church until my assignment was completed. That church was a mess before I got there. I was good grief Jesus!
God always sends me to places right before he destroys them. He either shuts the place down or totally uproot management. I would say 80% of the places closed after I left. Its weird for a lack of a better term. I feel like God has me like the guy who told Hezekiah to get his house in order or lights out. All my life really...especially with Caucasian racists people. God for some reason has always had me being the one telling folk to get their act together. Why? I have absolutely no clue? I am usually the quiet before the storm.
Its like I am the warning and try to get them back on track. Most of the management would not listen. They were like who are you? I felt like 'David' honestly. I had the bears, lions, alligators, snakes, rats, you name it. All the time, it was just Jesus and me! A skinny black girl from Detroit with Jesus going against a bunch of racists white management/owners. So many.....
God gets tired though! Then He dumps me right smack in the middle of it??? I am like really, Jesus😉? Lol... I am used to it though. It's been that way since I was 12 years old. Jesus, me and racists Caucasian managers and owners of businesses.
My Mom told me that they have to rise up against me before God can enter in and render judgement to whomever its suppose to be for or to. I guess like the sacrificial lamb or something?? Most of the places I have been, God shut them down or fired the ones who came against me.
My Papa scared me one time. There was a king in Africa. He didn't want my Papa over there. I think my Papa was building a school or the clinic/hospital. Anyway, he tried to have my Papa killed. Some man rose up and overthrew his government and killed the king that was threatening my Papa. The man who overthrew the king went to my Papa and told him to keep doing what he was doing.
I am not afraid of man or what they try to do to me! I am not afraid of Goliaths! There are some good black men out there in this huge world somewhere. One race of people are not all bad. You can't throw everyone under the bus. Not all women are gold diggers. My Mom raised me to work hard and make my own money. My Mother also used to say God has His people everywhere!!!! 😄 God has His people everywhere..... Blessings to anyone who read this novel..... Thanks for reading! Hoped it helped! 🙏🙌🔥🔥
I hope some day He let's you be around nice white people as well, but perhaps you are serving as a wake up call. The Bible says whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness... perhaps you will help a few to see the light. Be blessed.
This is heartbreaking. I’ve only read the first few sentences, but I’m going to read the rest. Wow, you went through a lot. I was hurt on my baptism day
Joyce please 😢😢😢😢😢
It's very sad and inexcusable that we can't expect to be in the house of God with God followers and not expect to be hurt. Ridiculous and very offputting.
Because people can be damaged?
It was a PASTOR who betrayed me so badly... someone please respond I need help 😢
Have you reported what he did?
She can relax in her 10 million dollar home
Taken advantage of Jesus?
L m been hurt my church my church doing stuff behind my back saying nasty stuff about me cause lm disabled and have mental health lm very hurt and stopped going to church what should l do like l say how l feel get judge that l not taken my meds when l have
Okay, but what if the pastor abuses you?? Not even talking about getting offended. We're talking about physical, emotional, and worse. We're so quick to toss out followers for a one time mistake or offense, but not even glance at a pastor for their purposeful wrongs
Interviewer tried her best to find words of comfort and encouragement for the victims of church hurt but all we got is gaslighting. 😅 Seriously. You can't ask victims to simply forgive without even going through the process of acknowledging their pain. This is just pointless talk, and this is the reason why church abuse continues. We all hide in that same old "we're all just broken people here" so we can justify the trashy way we deal with others. I said what I said.
Being a good example and hoping others notice is a poor plan. You’re setting yourself up for more pain. I totally disagree with her. People suck in general so just expect the sin.
Jesus?
What the heck?
Why privately Jesus?
share you tube dana ashlie 11 joyce in jesus name share it amen
Greetings,
It's odd and curious how filthy, immoral and degrading videos will get Tens of thousands of views yet godly content like this one gets significantly less... 🤔