Thanks so much for providing a review of this speaker from a performer POV instead of a DJ. You answered a lot of questions that were floating around my head as to how this will work in a band environment!
Great review!!! Thanx🙏 I’ve ordered an zlx P8 g2, less bottom, more articulate mids (or I’m hoping so)🤷♂️ I’ll be using it for acoustic/electric and vox, so if I need more bottom I’ll probably get a sub. Have you tried the 8”? If so, what are your thots on it?
@@shortreed6 I haven’t tried the 8 but I’ve used our QSC K10 at a few shows and while I can tell there’s less low end than my ZLX12, it’s still such a powerful low end driver that it doesn’t seem like there a lack of low end compared to my 12” Mako guitar cab. The low end from FRFR woofers just feel so much more potent. Maybe it’s the much higher wattage. Not sure.
Thank you🙏 The low end frequency response numbers are 46, 48 and 50 hz for 15, 12 and 8” and the eminence 12” I’m using only goes to 80hz with a shallower slope than all the EV’s, I’m optimistic the 8” will reproduce as much or more warmth than my cabinet does. Oh, and I couldn’t help but laugh at the logo under your horn 😂 Nice playing too👍
@@shortreed6 Many times! I played an acoustic gig last night and I’m testing out the NUX Optima Air acoustic preamp and impulse loader direct into the ZLX. It sounded GREAT! Killer little unit!
Hey, thanks for reviewing these. I had the original ZLX as well. I like the idea of running these for guitar and vocals but I had a few questions on that. 1) Can you set is as FRFR for the guitar channel and Live for the vocal channel or is the FRFR setting global for all channels, 2) I'd like to send the Left side of my stereo guitar rig to the Left ZLX and the right side to another ZLX on the right and somehow have my vocals be mono through both of the ZLX (without using an outboard mixer). I noticed in another video there is a control for the Aux out that is default to "L & R" - I was wondering if there was a way to only send a single channel out of the AUX out? So I would plug vocal mic into Channel 1 of the Left ZLX and then only the Channel one signal through the Aux out into Channel 1 of the Right ZLX, and my guitar pedal out left would go direct to Left ZLX channel 2, and the right out direct to ZLX channel 2. Just curios if that's possible. Thanks for the video, these things look awesome for live sound and the FRFR is bonus.
I think either the Switchcraft RMAS1 or Radial JS3 would work for the vocals. You would I think need one of those nice buffered mic splitters to send the mic signals. I use the RMAS1 all the time at acoustic gigs and it's outstanding (quiet and built like a tank). For the ZLX's you set the FRFR mode as a global EQ voicing but you can still EQ the channels individually.
being a 12" driver, the ZLX will have more low end than the 10.2 but I would say that if you're only planning on using it for guitar and vocals, you may not need the extended low end that the 12" driver produces. The FRFR mode on these new ZLX's chop off the upper and lower end of the spectrum that normal guitar speakers can't produce. Frequency differences aside, the QSC's are very much PA speakers and don't have any EQ tricks to make them sound more like a guitar cabinet (which I think, whether you're using a modeler or IR loader, having an FRFR that limits the range to that of a traditional speaker cabinet seems to produce the most natural sounding results)
I think QSC would be superior on this case (guitar cabinet). You do have EQs and you can setup the low and highs cut to simulate a cabinet. Also you could do that even in the Helix or Quad Cortex, so in that case even the QSC CP8 would be amazing for guitar. And more portable
@@gustavoloebel I actually preferred the sound of the Gen 2 ZLX to the QSC K12.2 (which is what our singer typically runs his quad cortex into on stage). The EQ options in the QSC are very basic and I actually had a section in this video that I ended up editing out where I talked about playing my setup through both the QSC and ZLX G2 side by side before a show during sound check and the ZLX just sounded much more natural like a guitar speaker cabinet compared to the QSC even after adjusting the QSC's low end and treble response. I'm currently reviewing the Fender FR12 FRFR and taking it on stage tomorrow but so far, it's pretty good but I still think the G2 ZLX is better. Our singer also has the QSC K10.2 and while it's a good speaker, it doesn't quite have the low end response that I want on stage. It's MUCH better for Acoustic shows. Although I'm still using my original Gen 1 ZLX12, I think that the G2 ZLX is the best FRFR I've plugged into for electric guitar. Singer used to have a Headrush FRFR 112 he would use and it was okay but didn't really impress me. For the price, it was adequate but not great. The one I still really want to try out is the Friedman ASC12. I've heard they are outstanding (with a price to match). The Mission Gemini is WAAY past my budget but I've also heard it's incredible. If I didnt' use in ear's I probably would be more willing to pay more for a great FRFR but man... the ol scratch and dent special G1 ZLX has been getting it done for a long time.
Yep. It's on my list. I'm curious how an FRFR specifically designed to be a guitar FRFR goes the other direction and handles stuff more typically associated with a speaker needing full range capabilities. I feel like it can only lean one way or the other. What I'd like to do is have something like the little QSC K8.2 for acoustic shows and something more guitar-oriented for the full band performances but I just got a Fishman Loudbox for a couple weeks to try out at acoustic shows I'm eager to take on stage this Saturday. We have a QSC K10.2 that our drummer sometimes uses back behind his kit and it will be going up against the Loudbox. QSC has the size advantage, is cheaper and has a ridiculous amount more power but no built in effects or EQ'ing capabilities like the Loudbox and also not really voiced specific to acoustics.
Hard to say. I think that the ZLX 2nd gen units are more targeted towards this dual role of being able to customize the sound, the EQ and add effects for personal performance use like busking on the street or doing an acoustic duet or solo thing and also happens to do the live sound thing for just pure PA use. If you are wanting to utilize them in that way, I would say the ZLX would be a better choice just due to the flexibility. If you are wanting to use them in a more traditional full stage PA use, I would honestly say if you have the budget and are only interested in 15" drivers, look into the stuff made by RCF. Something like the RCF ART 915A gives you an extremely powerful unit without any extra features you may not need. In that type of environment, I would only want a PA speaker that takes a signal from the mixer and makes it loud and that's it. There are other 15" driver units obviously but I think RCF give a ton of bang for the buck without the frills you may not need. Stepping down to a 12" unit would put the industry leading QSC speakers into play. Our band has been using QSC K12.2's for the main drivers for years and they have always worked really well and don't seem to ever break a sweat. We pair them with QSC KS212C subwoofers and everything sounds really great. What type of room you are wanting to fill, what type of use you need from them, what budget you're working with, etc all play a big role in determining which PA equipment will work best and it probably would be a good idea to find a local group who does live music production and consult with them and possibly rent some equipment to try out before committing to a purchase.
@@FastRedPonyCar Hey Thanks for getting back to me. It’s mainly for the church. It’s about 150-200 people. Tight on budget. RCF is pretty good I heard. I have a buddy doing DJ with these. That’s what I thought about asking Yamahas. Yamaha has good warrenty. One thing I have to ask Yamaha disperse pattern is 90 degree horizontal and QSC is only 75 which means QSC provide less sound spread? Love to hear your input on these. Thanks again.
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Thanks so much for providing a review of this speaker from a performer POV instead of a DJ. You answered a lot of questions that were floating around my head as to how this will work in a band environment!
Glad it helped! It’s a great product. If you decide to buy, consider using my affiliate link in the description 👍
Great review!!! Thanx🙏 I’ve ordered an zlx P8 g2, less bottom, more articulate mids (or I’m hoping so)🤷♂️ I’ll be using it for acoustic/electric and vox, so if I need more bottom I’ll probably get a sub. Have you tried the 8”? If so, what are your thots on it?
@@shortreed6 I haven’t tried the 8 but I’ve used our QSC K10 at a few shows and while I can tell there’s less low end than my ZLX12, it’s still such a powerful low end driver that it doesn’t seem like there a lack of low end compared to my 12” Mako guitar cab. The low end from FRFR woofers just feel so much more potent.
Maybe it’s the much higher wattage. Not sure.
Thank you🙏
The low end frequency response numbers are 46, 48 and 50 hz for 15, 12 and 8” and the eminence 12” I’m using only goes to 80hz with a shallower slope than all the EV’s, I’m optimistic the 8” will reproduce as much or more warmth than my cabinet does.
Oh, and I couldn’t help but laugh at the logo under your horn 😂 Nice playing too👍
Have you ever tried an acoustic into one of the zlx’s direct?
@@shortreed6 Many times! I played an acoustic gig last night and I’m testing out the NUX Optima Air acoustic preamp and impulse loader direct into the ZLX. It sounded GREAT! Killer little unit!
Thanx😊
I’ve seen hesdrush 108 and fender fr vids and to me the head rush sounds best. How does this one compare to them both if you know?
Hey, thanks for reviewing these. I had the original ZLX as well. I like the idea of running these for guitar and vocals but I had a few questions on that.
1) Can you set is as FRFR for the guitar channel and Live for the vocal channel or is the FRFR setting global for all channels,
2) I'd like to send the Left side of my stereo guitar rig to the Left ZLX and the right side to another ZLX on the right and somehow have my vocals be mono through both of the ZLX (without using an outboard mixer). I noticed in another video there is a control for the Aux out that is default to "L & R" - I was wondering if there was a way to only send a single channel out of the AUX out? So I would plug vocal mic into Channel 1 of the Left ZLX and then only the Channel one signal through the Aux out into Channel 1 of the Right ZLX, and my guitar pedal out left would go direct to Left ZLX channel 2, and the right out direct to ZLX channel 2. Just curios if that's possible.
Thanks for the video, these things look awesome for live sound and the FRFR is bonus.
I think either the Switchcraft RMAS1 or Radial JS3 would work for the vocals. You would I think need one of those nice buffered mic splitters to send the mic signals. I use the RMAS1 all the time at acoustic gigs and it's outstanding (quiet and built like a tank).
For the ZLX's you set the FRFR mode as a global EQ voicing but you can still EQ the channels individually.
@@FastRedPonyCar Thanks👍
Can you compare them to the QSC k10.2
being a 12" driver, the ZLX will have more low end than the 10.2 but I would say that if you're only planning on using it for guitar and vocals, you may not need the extended low end that the 12" driver produces. The FRFR mode on these new ZLX's chop off the upper and lower end of the spectrum that normal guitar speakers can't produce.
Frequency differences aside, the QSC's are very much PA speakers and don't have any EQ tricks to make them sound more like a guitar cabinet (which I think, whether you're using a modeler or IR loader, having an FRFR that limits the range to that of a traditional speaker cabinet seems to produce the most natural sounding results)
I think QSC would be superior on this case (guitar cabinet). You do have EQs and you can setup the low and highs cut to simulate a cabinet. Also you could do that even in the Helix or Quad Cortex, so in that case even the QSC CP8 would be amazing for guitar. And more portable
@@gustavoloebel I actually preferred the sound of the Gen 2 ZLX to the QSC K12.2 (which is what our singer typically runs his quad cortex into on stage). The EQ options in the QSC are very basic and I actually had a section in this video that I ended up editing out where I talked about playing my setup through both the QSC and ZLX G2 side by side before a show during sound check and the ZLX just sounded much more natural like a guitar speaker cabinet compared to the QSC even after adjusting the QSC's low end and treble response.
I'm currently reviewing the Fender FR12 FRFR and taking it on stage tomorrow but so far, it's pretty good but I still think the G2 ZLX is better.
Our singer also has the QSC K10.2 and while it's a good speaker, it doesn't quite have the low end response that I want on stage. It's MUCH better for Acoustic shows.
Although I'm still using my original Gen 1 ZLX12, I think that the G2 ZLX is the best FRFR I've plugged into for electric guitar. Singer used to have a Headrush FRFR 112 he would use and it was okay but didn't really impress me. For the price, it was adequate but not great.
The one I still really want to try out is the Friedman ASC12. I've heard they are outstanding (with a price to match). The Mission Gemini is WAAY past my budget but I've also heard it's incredible. If I didnt' use in ear's I probably would be more willing to pay more for a great FRFR but man... the ol scratch and dent special G1 ZLX has been getting it done for a long time.
Try out the Fender ones. They are supposed to be the best available.
Yep. It's on my list. I'm curious how an FRFR specifically designed to be a guitar FRFR goes the other direction and handles stuff more typically associated with a speaker needing full range capabilities. I feel like it can only lean one way or the other.
What I'd like to do is have something like the little QSC K8.2 for acoustic shows and something more guitar-oriented for the full band performances but I just got a Fishman Loudbox for a couple weeks to try out at acoustic shows I'm eager to take on stage this Saturday.
We have a QSC K10.2 that our drummer sometimes uses back behind his kit and it will be going up against the Loudbox. QSC has the size advantage, is cheaper and has a ridiculous amount more power but no built in effects or EQ'ing capabilities like the Loudbox and also not really voiced specific to acoustics.
What will u say when compare to Yamaha DBR 15 vs 15 on this. It’s for church by the way. Thanks.
Hard to say. I think that the ZLX 2nd gen units are more targeted towards this dual role of being able to customize the sound, the EQ and add effects for personal performance use like busking on the street or doing an acoustic duet or solo thing and also happens to do the live sound thing for just pure PA use.
If you are wanting to utilize them in that way, I would say the ZLX would be a better choice just due to the flexibility.
If you are wanting to use them in a more traditional full stage PA use, I would honestly say if you have the budget and are only interested in 15" drivers, look into the stuff made by RCF. Something like the RCF ART 915A gives you an extremely powerful unit without any extra features you may not need. In that type of environment, I would only want a PA speaker that takes a signal from the mixer and makes it loud and that's it. There are other 15" driver units obviously but I think RCF give a ton of bang for the buck without the frills you may not need.
Stepping down to a 12" unit would put the industry leading QSC speakers into play. Our band has been using QSC K12.2's for the main drivers for years and they have always worked really well and don't seem to ever break a sweat. We pair them with QSC KS212C subwoofers and everything sounds really great.
What type of room you are wanting to fill, what type of use you need from them, what budget you're working with, etc all play a big role in determining which PA equipment will work best and it probably would be a good idea to find a local group who does live music production and consult with them and possibly rent some equipment to try out before committing to a purchase.
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Hey Thanks for getting back to me. It’s mainly for the church. It’s about 150-200 people. Tight on budget. RCF is pretty good I heard. I have a buddy doing DJ with these. That’s what I thought about asking Yamahas. Yamaha has good warrenty. One thing I have to ask Yamaha disperse pattern is 90 degree horizontal and QSC is only 75 which means QSC provide less sound spread? Love to hear your input on these. Thanks again.
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