Should You Use A Pool Cue Extension All The Time? How To | The Physics
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Should You Use A Pool Cue Extension All The Time? How To | The Physics
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🎱 Explore the game-changing trend in the world of pool as we delve into the pros and cons of using a pool cue extension full time. Join the conversation on whether the added weight and stability enhance the player's accuracy, citing examples from renowned pros like Earl Strickland and Shane Van Boening. Uncover the physics behind shifting the cue's center point and witness firsthand how a permanent cue extension can transform your gameplay. 🏆
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:17 Background Info
04:04 Earl Strickland Thoughts
05:51 Shane Van Boening Thoughts
06:39 The Science
10:33 My Thoughts and Examples
16:46 Final Thoughts
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Wow. This works for me.
I watched this video, immediately went downstairs and screwed in my 8 inch extension.
For a test, I shot a 60 ball mighty X drill on my 9 foot table. I did not notice any appreciable change to my stroke, but I would estimate the positive accuracy change of 15 to 20 percent. I was able to pocket all 60 balls in a much shorter time.
I am encouraged enough by these results to continue using the extension during games.
Thanks for publishing this video.
Wow that's amazing. Give it 2 weeks of solid practice before you make any final judgements. I'm a month in and I found that I had to make the video. I'm sold on it myself. Thanks for commenting. Make sure you comment again and give everyone here an update.🙏👍
Been doing this for two years now and makes a difference.
Why had I never tried it?!!!🤢🤮
Hi, I really liked your video (also the other ones). Tried it over a year ago and helped me on my long pots. I find that elevating with it is more difficult. BTW, I tried it bc I am a short guy 1,69m and need to use an extension often. It helps smoothing out imperfections in a players stroke. Now I prefer to play without it, but don't mind it being on between shots. In straight pool I need an extension often, so I often leave it on.
I really appreciate your extensive replies to all reactions to your videos. Keep up the great work. Wilko, from The Netherlands
I appreciate the kind words Wilko. That's exactly how I would describe it to...it smooths out my stroke. I can really see it in long pots. I actually just got back home from my local pool hall and it was quite interesting. I'm still getting used to the weight but loving every minute of it. Thanks for commenting🙏✊
Thanks for this. I use Meucci Pro shafts. With the additional extensions, in the middle between the butt and the shaft. Thjs gives me a lot more options where I put my hand. I love this.
What?! This is news to me. I didn't even know that existed. So you can add an extension between your butt and your shaft?! That's crazy. Is the idea that you can add length and weight without changing the balance point of the cue? Thanks for the comment. I obviously need to do more reading 😂
I started playing with an extension all the time almost a year ago. And I cannot go back. It has fundamentally improved my stroke. I still break with a normal cue because I like the lighter feel.
This kind of scares me. I don't know if I ever will want to go back though so it might be ok😂
Great down to earth approach into pool topics. Love your video’s my man.
Huge compliment. Thanks man. Cheers
I believe a possible benefit is added stability. That is, it might stabilize horizontal movements. If this is true then adding heavier weight bolts would not be as effective since the added weight would be very close to the center of gravity. Thanks for the discusssion
These are my thoughts exactly! This is what I believe Earl is saying when it comes to rolling balls. Certainly my long potting has taken an uptick as of late using the extension. I really have been enjoying the results.
I'm 6'5", I play with a 64"/21oz. cue, no extention. Been doing it for 10yrs. 😊 I have a 9', 1968 Gandy, Big G... The reach helps, im not giving it up, either. 😊
"Im just going to roooll up, just going to float the ball..."
It's like listening to a cross between Mr. Rogers and Bob Ross. 😂😊
🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂😂 Awesomeness!
What about using an extension sometimes? In other words, depending on the shot? I have started using an extension this week and I find it might be most advantageous to use it for some shots and take it off for others. I pretty much just play on 7 foot barboxes. For tight quarters positioning, shots that need a soft touch, safeties, etc. I like to keep the extension off. Also, sharp backcuts where I want to stun the cue ball across the width of the table I like to shoot without the extension. But for medium to long shots, I feel my accuracy goes up with the extension on. If I need to hit a follow shot with speed, the extension helps greatly,. If I don't have much of an angle and need to generate cueball speed off of a rail, shooting with the extension helps. But I guess my main point/question is why don't players ever go back and forth depending on the shot? I guess this idea is somewhat similar in theory to golf.
Very interesting. For me that would be a lot of work taking it off and on. The big part of this is the added weight. If you're messing with that and changing the balance point of your cue I think it would be too much for me. But to each their own! Thanks for commenting! 👍
More lenght on the cue change the ballancepoint ,more weight the power and so its easier to cueing straighter...the arm has not the possibility to get out of line and the effect of this is more accurasy in the shot... If i play with an extention, no matter 3 ,6inch or 8,the effect is huge
Love ur vid!
Cheers mate! Thanks for that🙏👍
Thanks for the excellent video, you made me a new subscriber. I’m 78 years old and 6’3”. When I started playing the only guide I had was Mosconi’s book, and Willie had me put my right hand an inch or two behind the pivot point. This gave me three inches of cue beyond the bridge. About three years ago I saw a video of Marc Wilson where he said you needed a much longer cue beyond the bridge, but then my right hand was off the end of the cue. I found a permanent cue extension that fits between the shaft and the butt. I now have a 66” cue that weighs 25 oz. I always used a heavy cue (21 oz.), as the 19 oz. cues just felt too light. The pivot point has moved to the front instead of the back and feels much more natural than a butt end extension. It’s never been about reach, as at 6’3” there was never a reach issue - just don’t be lazy, use the f*****g bridge.
Well thank you for subscribing! That's a super heavy cue but we all differ in our likes. If it works for you that's all that counts. I love that you're still playing pool. Never stop! Question for you...have you ever seen the glasses that are made for pool players? They sit higher on the bridge of your nose and when you bend down the frames don't interfere with your vision looking down the table. Perhaps that will help with your eyes🙏👍
@@HereAfterBilliards I have seen those glasses. My problem is that the glass lenses (and contacts) allow me to see the cue ball well or see the end of the table well, but not both. I also have no line trifocals, but I have to tilt my head just right to get where I want to look up/down without moving my head and then my neck spasms. I’m really thinking of getting the new Light Adjusted Lenses for cataracts (I have some, but not enough to really affect my sight yet). I’m in the Philippines now so I may have to travel to a big city or India to get that done.
I add my 8 inch extension when I do big masse shots. The weight really helps on those shots
Really! That's the one spot where I find the extension being on there a hindrance.
@@HereAfterBilliards if you have clearance the weight helps add spin
Definitely going to give this a go.
You should man. Like I said...it's not for everyone but some definitely take to it and love it
I’ve had an extension for my cue for about three months now. When I first tried it, I thought like you… that it’s different. Not bad, just different so I’ve been playing with it on and it has made a difference in my game. I would say my shot has increased by maybe 15% better. The only downside that I have found is when I went out with my friends to a local bar and played pool with them, I was forced to use a house cue to play with and my game was really off.. felt like I was playing with a little kids stick!! Adjusted as the night went on but the first five or six games felt strange….
Thanks for this video and I’m looking forward to your next one !
Thanks for this! That's kind of my fear as well. It's minor though as those situations are rare these days for me. I've gotten old lol. Would suck if you were trying to hustle on the down low and you couldn't execute when it counted 😂🤮
I'm 5'6" and I'm thinking about trying one put. I know Earl said ,"it's for taller guys." I think it'll help with reach also. I'm gonna try it
@@Woollybugger311 Oh I would absolutely try it if I was you and comment back here after a few weeks of trying it. Remember it's not for everyone. But it might be for you. One thing Earl didn't accentuate too well but I was picking up was that his age is affecting him so he's searching for ways to compete. I'm turning 48 in a few days. It's not like I'm running around the table like I was in my 20s. Things have slowed down. By adding weight now this may play into it. Really interesting topic.
Very insightful video, thanks for this. do you remove all your weight bolts before putting the extension on?
There was one weight bolt in my Dante when I got it and I did remove it the first day I had it.
Couple years ago I got a predator and put a 3 inch extension on right off the bat. It just feels natural. So I got another for the break cue also. I'm 6ft 2in. And it gives me the ability to hold the cue right no matter the reach. I don't feel any weight difference.😊
Thats awesome.
Earl is right about the height difference because Dr Dave who is like 6'3 has more than one extension on his cue and he even has a video on this too
Oh cool. I'll check it out. Like I said I'm late to the game on this as I had never taken notice that players were doing this.😀
Thanks for your video, it is good information. I have different idea about using extension. The increased weight helps "slow down/calm down" the stroke and your stroke will be more stable (as you mentioned). It is in fact that there is more than one "Centre of Gravity" points on the cue (because it is a moving object). The cue action (or "pace") should depend on "acceleration" rather than "weight". If the cue is balanced WELL and it is light-weighted, you can still slow your stroke, have the "calm-down" feel at the same time. If you want to experiment this point, try using a light-weight cue, but put some weight at the joint area.
Now you're talking my language. I'm all about trying to understand acceleration through the cue ball. This has to be a factor!. Absolutely. Thanks for the comment and opinion👌
@@HereAfterBilliards Thanks for your reply. It is the cue makers, each has their own secret balance formula for weight and balance point. If an extension of the cue can do the trick, cue makers already produce longer cues. Look at Steve Davis and Oso, their "cue height" is lower than their shoulders. Lighter and shorter cues can produce more acceleration but you need to have a smooth cue action in order to handle a lighter and shorter cue. In fact shorter cue is more accurate.
The inertia of momentum is increased, which should help if you have a tendency to jab at shots.
🤣I'd like to think I don't have a tendency to jab at the ball. Certainly the extra weight settles everything down.
@@HereAfterBilliards no, I wasn't commenting on you, but on the concept. I just got an extension and will see if the balance shift helps.
Great video. Need to try how it feels and effects my shots. I tell then how it felt.
Absolutely!
@@HereAfterBilliards
Played about an hour and feel difference. I will play now on with extension on my cue.
P.S. i play JFlowers 10-11
@@Iceman79fin Sweet man. Give it time. You'll probably have to work on your weight for quite some time but it'll be worth it.
im 5'6" and i play on 9x4.5. Bought a cuetec south dakota package that came with a 6" extension in 2019 and tried playing with extension on. now i don't really take it off anymore. 2 big benefits i got from this was the stability in my rolls from the cushion and extra power (weight really) when I needed to force a follow or a draw. I think another observation you will find when you play more with the extension on is your cue is always going to be parallel without your concious effort and all you have to do is stroke it to nail most shots off center easily. your follow through will be more pronounced and affect the cueball a bit more accurately. let the cue do the work.
Music to my ears man. I'm going to stick it out and play with it on for quite some time. Really give it a chance. Everything you just mentioned is what I'm noticing! Thanks for commenting and watching.🙏
@@HereAfterBilliards oh hey wasn't expecting a reply from you so this was a pleasant surprise. Your videos are very easy to watch and quite captivating even though I have long stopped watching pool stuff but i still subbed to you way back.. maybe when covid was a trend? can't remember. love the camera work, you really know how to make this game look beautiful on the screen.
good luck with your journey with the extension. im glad you found it somewhat useful for yourself. as you mentioned, some people just don't like it. I've been toying with the idea of getting 2/3/4" extensions to see if anything changes. i do find the +6" abit heavy because im a small guy and in asia, we do long long races so I might wear myself out faster than i know.
@@thacasualpoolplaya Thanks for the kind words. Well don't tire yourself out. Eat well and then kick ass✊✊👍
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been using the extension full time, but at the same time, the cue weight has a tendency to be a bit back-heavy. So i found out the cue i use, Mezz, uses a weight system at the joint of the cue. After that, it balanced the cue out really nicely.
Sweet. So you're finding success?!
@@HereAfterBilliards yes, the cue feels more solid and the balance adjustment at the joint of the cue helps with my release.
SVB stopped using an extension a few months ago , coincidentally after Jason Shaw stopped using his extension. I haven't heard SVB say why. But Shaw said that it was gimmicky and he found he didn't need it.
So different strokes for different folks. But apparently you can go back to using a standard sized cue.
That's funny. Perhaps he's going back and forth now because he was just using it a few days ago at the Mosconi Cup🤔
This is what I meant by shorten up my stroke. Because I let more of the cue do the work, I can use the extra weight and shorten my stroke!
I can't say that it's shortening my stroke...maybe it is 🤔. What I can definitely say is that it's slowing my feathering and in turn calming down my eventual follow through. That's probably the best way I can describe it
@HereAfterBilliards I agree it slows down the whole approach to the cue ball really making you focus on tip position. The shortening of my stroke was something that happened over a year of playing with the extension. I had not done it consciously, it was something I noticed happened progressively.
@@andrewlaprairie I see. Well we'll see if it happens to me.👍
With all these pros playing with extensions full time, I feel silly for worrying about 1/2 oz weight differences in my cues all these years.
That's an interesting point but remember it's not just the weight. It's the shifting of the balance point as well. Who knows.
Would be interesting to compare difference if you just add heavier weight bolt with standard enght cue, would still change balance point o the cue, just not as much.
Totally interesting. I'm hoping JFlowers sends me their new SMO carbon fiber shaft. There's actually a bolt you can insert in the shaft that changes the balance that way as well. So many things you could do. Lots of experimentation.👍
Earl is usually always right
😂👍👍That he is...
Playing with an extension plugged in the butt is the easiest way to test play a heavier version of your cue. If you like the balance, then it's okay. If not, just increase the weight, if you can. I play with 18.5 oz. on smaller tables and it's a bit easier to adapt to bigger tables adding a bit of weight. But I prefer a light cue. Heavier cue are better for long shots, for short distances the lighter cue will have all advantages.
Taller players need longer cues for their biomechanics.
Really interesting. In my younger years when I hit bar tournaments I never wanted to take my Huebler because I was scared it would get stolen or damaged. It was an 18oz cue and when I looked for a bar cue I'd be very happy if I found a 17oz!
I started using a JOINT extention, 2 inches, and I feel the difference as well... It has similar effects but works in a different way becasue the weishgt is not as much... perhaps you could try one of those and do a video on your opinion...
I have lerarned that a pool cue should be like a hockey stick... the tip needs to be in between your nose and shin... my 2" puts mine just above my lips...
Curious if you want to try one and give your opinion...
Pat G
I'm thinking of buying the 8" from J Flowers and going even longer at first. I'd totally like to experiment with the 2" in the future. Hell...I might just get the entire extension group just for shits and giggles👍
nice... but I am really meaning a MIDDLE extention... it changes the weight differently, and keeps the balance poing back a bit more... try one you might like it better than a BACK end extention.
@@HereAfterBilliards
for months I've been trying to pot 15 balls in a row (stop shots) and was always missing 2 or three. last week I decided add an extension and for the first time i potted all 15. I feel like my stroke has improved. But not sure if it's in my head or not
Keep it in and keep going. After a few weeks comment here again and let everyone here know. It's not in your head...but we're all different. There is science behind this but different strokes for different folks. Not for everyone.
I have a 4" extension that goes in the middle of cue. I use a 17oz cue.
Interesting. So it was made for the cue?
Would you also recommend extending your break cue full time as well?
No I wouldn't. In golf the speed that the golf head hits the ball is called club head speed. Distance is increased because the club head speed is great. Pool is the same. I'm a believer that your breaker should be light so you can generate cue speed. A heavier break cue will slow your cue speed down. Now with that being said todays new break cues are used because of their shaft and hard tips. That's another factor.
The flip side of the argument however is age. The older you get the less likey you'll be able to generate that speed so breaking with a heavier cue might help because the weight will help. So in the end you need to make the decision. Where are you in your health and age? Only you can analyze that . Just my opinion. There are some that swear by a heavier break cue. I simply don't agree with that because of the reasons I've stated above. 👍👍
There is a awesome video by "Shortstop on pool" about extensions and being tall. I'm 6ft. 5in., and I have a 5in. Extension on my cue, and it drastically enhanced my game.
You got three inches on me! That's great to hear. I can't believe I didn't try it sooner myself
Full extension works
I'll give her a shot soon. Thanks
I’m not sure on the science but cue ball speed and control is easier with a lighter cue imo. If your mostly playing bar table I think 63+ is too much cue for the table.
I've always been that guy too. I've just tried this recently and it's different. It offers me things quite different from my norm as I've always played with the lighter cue. 👍
This is something I'm going to start doing. I noticed my stroke is better when I use the butt of my cue. I don't know why, but I think it might be my arms. I have disproportionately long arms compared to the rest of my body.
😂😂😂😂 YOU have to set up a camera and film yourself!
@HereAfterBilliards My fingers end like 3 inches above my knees. Lol
@@Crazywaffle5150 Awesomeness! 😜
ive tried it and i feel i LOSE control a bit. its not an imnense change, but its visable for me.
Oh it's definately a change. I'm slowly coming around when it comes to controlling backspin. It's absolutely calmed down my stroke when it comes to rolling the cue ball and getting position using topspin
And as for SVB saing he gets more juice, with an extension you can get more room for follow though, i imagine.
I really don't know if SVB is feeling something that I can't. For me it's really that Earl said. It calms my stroke
No, ur arms are not longer.
I'm still going to be late to the game because I still don't use my extension when playing with my cue and neither does my friend he rarely even brings it out. I don't ever rarely bring it out because it just adds unnecessary weight
So you've never tried it? You choice if you don't want to of course. To each their own. It's just interesting. I like it. Never thought I would.
Are you using the S.M.O shaft?
No not yet. I want to get my hands on one and try it out. There's actually a little screw you can use with the SMO to adjust the weight of the shaft. I find it really interesting! Have you shot with that shaft yet?
Would you get the same feel with added weight instead or a centre extension?
I'm thinking yes but playing in 9 foots it really is nice just having it on there. I could be wrong though.