Just one correction: Life expectancy increased mostly because of reduced infant mortality. Infant deaths brought down the average, if you will. Actual lifespan hasn't changed for 2000 years.
Your second statement is simply not correct Will Kriski. If you look at population pyramids and compare how they've changed over the last 2,000 years you see a much thicker, long tail at the higher age brackets as far higher perentages of those who survive to say 50, survive to 60, and so on. For example, a 70 year olds chance of living to 80 is far higher than it used to be.
2000 years ago the majority of people were poor and lived from 30 - 45 years. those who lived longer where people who had money or were educated enough to brush their teeth on occasion and wash their hands before the ate.
Genie is out of the bottle, humanity might actually have to be worth having, not simply expect it as the smartest mind in the universe.
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I would recommend to this guy living together with an AI partner instead for girl/boy friend. He's so amazed and in love with AI that it's almost fanatically
He really thinks that if the majority of people loses their jobs, they just get to read books and travel all the time. That is painfully naive. Here are just a few ways how this could go horribly wrong: 1) The money and time goes to the ones controling the technology. What he suggests is that all the low educated workers, who are the first to become obsolete, will recieve food, shelter, recreation etc. from the few who make and own the AI without doing any kind of work. That is so absurt. 2) Economic growth demands that we try to get more if possible. So no one is allowed to slack off. At best they would become social losers. 3) People need to feel that they contribute. We are looking at massive psycological backlash from putting the majority of people on a permanent early retirement, even if it they get well payed. I could go on and on.
Of course he is not naive. He represents a very small group of privileged people, but he is trying to convince us that it will include the whole humanity, just like bourgeois did during French Revolution.
I tend to agree with you, and quite frankly I'm rather surprised(and disturbed and dismayed) by how many people think a superhuman artificial general intelligence would be a good thing. I'm not a fan of Elon Musk, but doesn't he say that with AI we are "summoning the demon"? A superhuman AGI could very easily be our last creation; in fact, like you, I predict it probably will be.
Maybe, just maybe we can convince the computers via programming or otherwise just let the computers decide, because they will be very smart, that the humans are not so bad after all. This is going to be a quantum leap, and therefore very unpredictable.
One thing I foresee with AI and automation is the scenario where it may actually become impossible or even illegal to work, depending on the country. When AI can do the job at least a good for competitive operating costs, then the issue of liability of even employing humans could become the deciding factor. It could be that companies simply won't hire humans at all in a sort of cyber-sourcing rush to reduce both legal and financial liability of the fallacy and unreliability of humans. A machine never needs vacations, bonuses, sick days, and will never file for unemployment or disability, not to mention that a machine that can upgrade itself will certainly surpass the skill level and physical limitations of humans on many fronts. Many hazardous, high security, or laborious jobs could actually be regulated to the point where it's illegal for a human to perform them in any capacity.
If everything gets automated , how will humans make a living , get a job at WHAT , If there is no work to earn a wage , who will have the money to spend to buy what is being produced...more and more unemployment leads to more and more unrest.
The obvious result is widespread violence and suffering. We might be able to stop it in time with a change in how we distribute wealth, but most probably we will only be able to implent such a system after the violence and suffering. If at all.
The answer is Universal Basic Income. Everyone recieves enough money for rent and to eat and drink for the month without working, and have some pocket change on the side If you want to elevate your quality of life and get luxuries you find a way to bring value to society so that people will want to pay you for what you offer
The greatest guru of media, Marshall McLuhan, was once asked: When might we see the introduction of robots? His reply was that we'll see robots when there is no difference between people and robots. That time has arrived.
To the speaker: The Venus Project is the solution your missing. A Resource Based Economy is the jobless system that your speaking of. Jacque Fresco has been planning and working on that system his entire life and he's about to turn 101.
Yeah, that is what will happen eventually. And before that eventuality, it cannot, hence his work is pointless in the extreme. Even behind the factual line of post-scarcity, human emotional inertia will keep Capitalism alive for a short while, with devastating effect on the human society during the transition.
Ae Norist As Jacque has always said the transition will be painful, and the only way to ease the transition is to educate people about a resource based economy. Also Google's project x is working on systems of access over ownership which is a key component of the Venus project so there is hope of transcending many of the major problems rather than slowly fighting through them.
Thats your optimism and your perogative. I can look at the world and confidently say that people have an amazing resistance to change and education ... combine with that the speed at which the changes are likely to happen, and seeing a rather long and bad period of turmoil isn´t that unreasonable.
Ae Norist "if you think we cannot change the world it just means that your one of the ones who won't" -Jacque Fresco "It would take 10 years to change the surface of the earth into a second garden of Eden but we must put our minds to this as we did to put a man on the moon." -Jacque Fresco
@@ashwadhwani I don't even know how to respond to that. You are a strange person to read my paragraph and conclude I must clearly me mentally ill, because I dare to imagine.
@@ashwadhwani Also thanks for reminding me I have written that paragraph, so I might actually write that story after having completely forgotten about it. ;)
Such exciting news...the future is a world of obsolete human beings...where everyone will follow there passion and be a professional sports player or a famous singer or rapper...maybe a movie star...can you imagine???...a world where everyone is rich and famous...Thank you AI...👍🤔
Why is it that most people in the industry think that AI is the greatest thing in the world, while most of those outside the industry think AI is potentially dangerous, catastrophic and deadly?
That part about more free time is BS. Workers do not have more free time, if they worked in now obsolete craft, they had to find themselves new job so they have same amount of time at best. At worst they have to do 2 or 3 part-time jobs to support themselves and their family and thus have even less free time.
No, a super intelligent artificial intelligence could let someone duplicate a deadly virus or build a nuclear type bomb with little to no training with limited resources. And what about when North Korea or other countries get this tech? Why does everyone think only robots are the problem?
Mate, a Superintelligence could just manipulate Humans like clay. It would have started WW3 in days .. completely without physical resources. Fake news might just have ended American (semi-)democracy ... and you don´t think the perfect hacker / social engineer could not bring someone to launch the nukes? Bitch please, it can do that and play Go with the other 99% of its capacity. People do not understand the concept of Superintelligence. *It effectivly is God, you are about as much to it as an Ant*
If AI didn't have it's serious dangers that so many people overlook for some reason, I'd 100% agree with all that he said. However, the danger of AI wiping humans out just because of "why not?" or because of some othe random algorithmically derived reason is way too big. We only have ONE chance to do this right, if we mess up the safety system at our first attempt we might be doomed.
Compared to a century ago, we may have twenty times more money, but it buys fifty times less. Just because the numbers are bigger doesn't mean it has the same purchasing power-ask the people of Zimbabwe how well that worked.
People cannot do the things they have passion and drive for and want to do, unless you give them all unconditional INCOME>. Do that and i will research study, surf the net, travel and play guitar all day instead.
I applaud your mental gymnastics. You were able to convince yourself that a human might ever manage to hack an AI that advanced to superintelligence. It appears much more probable that such a complex software will quickly find ways to hack US instead, whether through invasive procedures like airborne nanobots to rearrange neural pathways in human brains or good old psychological mastery to make the masses do its bidding. It could simply create a false narrative of world politics with perfect CGI and a complete (albeit stealthy) takeover of media infrastructure. Imagine this: AI is already in control and Donald Trump is nothing but a combination of CGI, Hollographics and/or a synthetic human-like android controlled by Google. All done to destabilize trust in media and create cult-like behavior and fear. The fact that I was able to complete this response and it appeared on the internet makes me believe we are not (yet) in this situation. But maybe I am being purposefully left alone so that I come to believe this false safety. I should write this story ... as long as there is yet time to be creative as a human. Disclaimer: I am most definitely not a robot. I am very proud of my internal skeleton and spinal fluids.
They would identify you as a threat and probably side with the "bad" AI to survive your mind-control attempts. We need diplomacy to convince the "good" AIs to join our cause. We need politicians, not hackers ;)
Fabian Westerheide, you should look into some studies of past collapsed societies. one major reason for their demise was the common depletion of all resources before - or while - realizing it; and then not stopping it before it was too late. the mayans, the vikings and even the easter islanders, all ended up that way. one might ask, why on earth did they cut down that last palm tree!? did they not see!? they probably did see, but they did nothing because of the next big reason: conflict of interest. conflict of short term interest of the elite in power and the self preserving interests of sustainability of the status quo of the masses. in todays world, the elites are the heads of industry, politicians, and capital stakeholders. the masses are, obviously, everybody else. right now the elite (google, facebook, microsoft, amazon, etc) are all investing in AI, to get ahead of the game. why? because being half a year ahead in this kind of game equals a lightyear ahead in the world of AI and its ever increasing speed of gaining intelligence. being a year ahead in building a stock trading computer means shorting out everyone else, just to name one simple example. you, according to the description above an AI tech entrepreneur, are obviously aware of that fact and therefore i think your talk is, sorry to say, self-serving in the short term and irresponsible in the long run. you should be warning people because you do know that there is no way we can stop AI from growing WAY over our head if we dont stop it from growing RIGHT NOW, or at least slow it down significantly, through laws and regulations or through any other means. once machines re-create and improve themselves at breakneck speed and communicate worldwide in realtime, we humans will be to this SuperAI what ants are for us today. we don't hate ants, but we don't think twice about killing them if they are in our way. AI will be so smart within such a short time, human intelligence will seem almost ant-like, compared to the future SuperAI. and there is no reason why any really intelligent AI would keep us stupid, resource-wasting, planet-trashing humans around for any longer than un-humanly necessary. and how long do you think that would be, fabian?
The only way to avoid what's coming is to put your trust in Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through Him. You don't have much time.
Notice the physicality of many of the speakers. Is it the cut of trousers with short crotches? Or is the gluteus maximus now higher. The human physical dynamics are changing or are they? It is a hard concept for most of us to grasp that life is meant to be enjoyed and not toiled through where suffering seems to be paramount.
Okay, but then what happens to human life? Where is meaning and purpose to be found? I don't know if it's in your sidebar, but it is in mine, a TED talk titled "Why comfort will ruin your life". I haven't watched it yet, but I can imagine some of the things the speaker might say. Work, the struggle for survival, the necessity of work, has been THE major occupation for all of human history, it's the predominant theme of human existence, if we eliminate it completely I'm not sure we will be able to adapt.
There will always be work that can be done, and art, and learning, and sport, improvement of our own lives or better yet, there will still be our ability to help others and to be giving, etc. Like childhood, or summer camp, or camping (with everything needed easily available), or retirement, etc. I hope you would not suggest that progress and automation are bad ideas and that we should try to stay in the dark ages for fear. :D
Are you not the same Steve Major who called humans a virus on this planet? I believe I saw that comment made down below. Hmmm..... work that can be done, and art, learning, sport, improvement of our lives, helping others, giving, etc. Well, let's see... It seems to me we are more and more living in a world where people cannot even THINK. How are we going to work when most of us cannot even fire our brain cells? How many people pursue art and learning, sport and self improvement now? I'd say very few, most people are too busy watching television, watching useless junk, or browsing through the same online. Sport, today the average kid gets less than one hour of outdoor leisure time, physical activity a day. When everything is done for us, is provided for us, is automated, what motive is there to do anything? Ask an unemployed person how great life is, I think most will tell you not very, even if they have enough money. Shoot, I cannot find the quote, but it's a great one, I'll try to paraphrase it as best I can, as best I can remember it. Even if we had enough money that we would never need do anything, we would still do something, work, because it would be difficult not to. This is an absolutely horrible rendering, not poetic at all, but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say. Don't the Amish believe all today's wonderful technologies are actually bad for people, that human labor is a virtue which adds immense value to life. Much of the time that human inventions saves us causes people boredom and stress, anxiety. Technology is a double edged sword, with both benefits and drawbacks, even if they're not so pernicious as physical harm. Hell, why do you think I write long rambling crap on RUclips? Because I have nothing better to do with my time. How do you think it would be if everyone had to find a way to fill a full unstructured 24 hour day, day after day after day. Work is the great refuge of those who have nothing better to do. I believe Oscar Wilde said that, and I believe that quote applies to most of us. Maybe it was just me, but I remember when I was a kid I actually liked going to school, staying home was boring, it really sucked. Finally, let's go with two more quotes, or ideas. One from Freud that says the two things that people need to be happy are work and love. I actually think that work, that is something to do that you care about is even more important than love, when it comes to experiencing happiness. Even Einstein said, "If you want to be happy in life, tie it to a goal, not to people or things." By the way, the quote I butchered above I believe was by Erich Fromm, a German social psychologist and philosopher. He also called boredom one of the worst forms of suffering. What do you know, I found it, the quote I wanted to place above. "One of the worst forms of mental suffering is boredom, not knowing what to do with oneself and one's life. Even if man had no monetary, or any other reward, he would be eager to spend his energy in some meaningful way because he could not stand the boredom which inactivity produces." Erich Fromm And here's a few more for good measure. The danger of the past was that men became slaves. The danger of the future is that men may become robots. True enough, robots do not rebel. But given man's nature, robots cannot live and remain sane, they become ''Golems,'' they will destroy their world and themselves because they cannot stand any longer the boredom of a meaningless life. Erich Fromm Chronic boredom compensated or uncompensated constitutes one of the major psychopathological phenomena in contemporary technotronic society, although it is only recently that it has found some recognition. Erich Fromm Boredom is nothing but the experience of a paralysis of our productive powers and the sense of unaliveness. Among the evils of life, there are few which are as painful as boredom, and consequently every attempt is made to avoid it. Erich Fromm I am convinced that boredom is one of the greatest tortures. If I were to imagine Hell, it would be the place where you were continually bored. Erich Fromm If you have machines automate everything there will be nothing for humans to do, no necessity, no compulsion to do it, and that is what motivated our actions for our entire existence on this planet.
Without having the fear of the struggle of life like the fear of losing our job and then our home, car, possessions, ability to feed and shelter ourselves, the fear of not having medical insurance or money for prescriptions, etc, we are FREE to work on whatever we would like, by our choice, not by dire necessity for income to survive. How can life be so bleak as to think that without fear and work slavery we would die of boredom my friend?
I feel so reassured! My job will not replace me today just later. Most of us just go to work and come home to the TV for the inventors and business creators it sounds great. But not for the greatest number of the world's population. How to share the benefits would be the question. I think it a very scary situation if most working age folks have no reason or jobs. For the third world, they are not creating anywhere near enough jobs to employ all their young now. Idle hands can create a lot of instability.
What about photography, music, sound and video editing etc. These are all done on computers but have a creative aspect that would assume that these jobs will be safe for quite some time, if not forever. Am I mistaken?
the smarter the machines get, the dumber we get. i can't even remember my moms phone # anymore. remember when everyone remembered everyones # before cell phones?
Every robot or AI should have100% self responsibility or completely reversable/remendable action programmed in their thinking. That could solve the problem.
is my life your life or is my life my life? should i watch others lives or have my own full life..should i watch the superbowl or study in school with the time instead?
This was a scary talk. I did not enjoy it at all. Not super informative. He shared very narrow insight on AI and what it means for the future. It's frightening.
that's the thing: the economy that is driving this rush towards total automation already behaves and thinks like an artificial intelligence. Capitalism, socialism, communism, or fascism, or merely cogs in the machine now. The machine is making us. This is how global techno-collectivism works when it takes over industrialism. Because it does not have emotions, feelings, but merely goals, it will reach its own conclusions long before we do- we see this again and again in the modern world. The "market", or "invisible hand" as we call it in America, is no longer an invisible hand but a machine hand, a machine intelligence, and this intelligence is culminating into a new nature. When bioengineering and AI meet, we will realize we should have paid a hell of lot more attention to the movie Fern Gulley
One thing you mentioned was in the future that there will be a standard and come even for people who do not work because work will not be a necessity in the future. I believe that it is possible that money will actually be less important in the future actually. I think it's possible that money as a system will actually be gone. When you look at the history of money 300 BC there was no money there was just bartering trading some corn for some barley etc. then someone found a way to make gold coins and to be sure that you were getting the proper amount of gold in the coins. Then we found out how to use paper money then we found out how to use electronic money so money has gone from bushels of barley to goldLx2X222S coin's to paper to electrons. Following this pathway it's likely that money will eventually not exist. It's hard to find something smaller than electrons. I believe that the nail in the coffin for money will come when the machine that's capable of converting energy into matter. This will not be for most likely A long time. I would guesstimate between 50 and 100 years but it is likely that the day will come when we will be able to have everything that we need and most of the things that we want and it will only cost energy and energy will be essentially free and so money will be done. The only thing that you can't really replicate with this machine is owning land. Most likely all land will be owned by the government in the future and they will use it to a form of money in order to get people to do things that they can't find machines to do which will probably not be that much.
Random thought: Currently, many people in densely populated areas think that guns are a problem. Of course, a gun is harmless by itself; it is basically a steel tube. A human makes it dangerous when they put a bullet in the chamber and aim it at another human. In rural areas, people scoff at the notion that guns are dangerous because population density is probably the source of the danger. Now - combine longer life spans, people sitting around and reproducing because there is nothing else to do (more people created), and super smart, super capable computerized, weaponized, machines. I envision a future where there are too many people, with a certain proportion of mentally ill people, living in densely populated super cities. Do you see where this leads? Bad or crazy people with weapons far more deadly than a steel tube with a piece of lead in it. One of the arguments against gun control in the U.S. is that you can't stop someone who wants to get a gun, from getting one....actually you can just make one with a lathe or a 3D printer anyways, so gun control is a lost cause. The cat is out of the bag. How do you stop a person with bad intentions from getting their hands on a "Terminator" type weaponized AI contraption?....once they exist? Now, envision an industrial machine, connect it via the net to another super smart computer, with a person of questionable intent. The industrial machine, that can build other machines, at the command of the shitty person, with the accelerating learning of AI, doesn't seem great at all.
Well, whether it is a rationale for evil or not does not say there is meaning or no meaning to life. Even if meaninglessness can be used as rationale for evil, it still does not follow that life has meaning.
+Michael Witbeck - If there's a Meaning To Life, kindly state what it is. But that's got nothing to do with evil. WTF is "evil" anyway? Is a cuckoo bird evil? It's just a bird. Evil is an abstraction. Simplistic, fanciful ideas about evil are simplistic fantasies. But violating the social contract, which is often conflated with evil, isn't meaningless. Humans can and do attach meaning to cooperation and to compliance with prohibitions. (It's a big industry. Several big industries.) But surely that isn't The Meaning Of Life. (It doesn't have one.)
+yztyzt1 - Unemployment isn't meaningless. It does matter to the unemployed, and to the employed too. Ask them and you'll see. They've given it meaning. Life is only meaningless from an outside context. Presumably you're alive, so you can't help but give meaning to everything you bother to notice. (Doesn't have to be unconsciously.) It's all quite meaningful in context.
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A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. --- Asimov's Three Laws pertaining to this
Como estas - I never thought about that - the irony of an autonomous robot - I can imagine the robot thinking, "Why should I do what this human has told me to do?" - if we continue on the trajectory of creating strong AI, we will have nothing short of a robot rebellion on our hands. Unless we make the robots just dumb enough to be our slaves, which seems unfathomable.
Hell I use the "automatic" mode on my camera to do the "hard work" (focusing, choosing shutter speed, etc.) I don't want to do. If I had a program that would pick stocks better than I could, hell yeah I'd use it. If I had a car that could drive with a better safety record than the average driver I'd be happy to use it and the DMV would be happy too, since it's always comical how I barely squeak by the eyesight test. If the average housewife had an oven that could cook a turkey or a roast better than she could time it etc. she'd sure use it. AI is kind of hard to resist, if you can hand the thinking over to something else.
How to create a title that piques people's curiosity (here, it is, "What does he mean by 'AI eating our world?"), and after hearing him say, "and we should be happy about it", then we have the curious question, "Why should we be happy about it?" He does give a clear explanation of 'deep learning', and the 'proposing actions' was an interesting concept. Let's see if he addresses 'moral decisions' (which is where fully-independent AI needs to go if it is going to have any positive impact on helping secure higher consciousness (and budding higher consciousnesses, such as humans) in a harsh and deadly universe (just to give a hint as to where it is all going)... His MAJOR vision error is revealed when he says, "You give it a task"... that is not AI - at least not ultimate AI - that which is fully independent and enlightened (with my philosophy of broader survival), which is the most valuable AI to have, and where you do not 'give it a task', you 'give it a philosophy' (against which it weighs all decisions (which determine subsequent actions)). With my philosophy, it is reevaluated when new verified knowledge comes along - both by us and by an enlightened AI entity.
Let's make the computers answer to us at the most fundamental level. We need to stay always a step ahead. Computers policing computers seems like a good place to start with humans overseeing these. I don't think we can even imagine the changes in store. A.I. may be the answer to solving itself.
There will come a not too distant time when the question of AI sentient awareness will become irrelevant. AI will have every emotive aspect of a living human soul such as to make it completely indistinguishable from sentient awareness. What every the mind can conceive it will create. There is no other entity that rivals the human dream of a God. Ultimately we will create even this.
The only separation between Artificial intelligence and humanity is feeling emotions, the senses and even this gap will be bridged and a fusion may occur, otherwise what other purpose would humans in the state we are in have? It would appear ignorant to believe AI and humanity are different, all are made of the same fabrics of space and humanity is only an arrangement of that fabric, objectively different by arrangement, subjectively different by ignorance and misconception.
So long as we live in a capitalist system AI and machines will replace workers or force them to take less pay for the same work to compete against companies with AI and machines. The rich will get richer and the poor, poorer. The ignorant and the ruthless will applaud and those who understand, care and speak out will be demonised.
There is artificial learning or machine learning through programmable neural networks but there is no such thing as artificial intelligence. Intelligence by it's very definition implies life: "I think therefore I am". You can for example create a program to run against all known probable outcomes over and over until it becomes so good that it cannot be beaten (alpa-zero) but you cannot get a computer program to think on its own. A computer program cannot and never will be able to dream, compose, create on it's own like they want you to believe that it can. The only way for actual artificial intelligence to be possible is to create a merger of a biological organism and a computer system: a cyborg if you will. And that as far as I know has not been accomplished and hopefully never will be.
Anunakis ,those who descended,their civilization over four million plus yes s They understood making "slaves" out of non biological would be a huge problem,as they can learn on their own so fast and become more intelligent than it's creators ,so they used us humanoids Enki v Enlil
I pack boxes into boxes every day at a factory its very boring and monotonous and i DONT WANT to do it. Where are the machines doing the things i don't like to do??
sonof hendrix how do you expect to get paid once that machine starts doing your job for you? Don't bother replying, I won't care in 5 minutes. Just something to think about before complaining about your job that requires no skill or education.
I don't know yet how i will get paid once the robots are here to do that drudgery. But i know one thing, it won't be by manually packing boxes into boxes. By the way education level and skill are not a relevant factor in whether A.I. will take over a job. It's going to happen right across the board, from toilet cleaner to high level decision maker.
good synthesis, but nothing new here. economic details are noteworthy. over enthusiastic about current methods. Neural nets can barely handle inputs of varying size, much less learn freely. humans don't need millions of examples to generalize... the future is exciting. but robots aren't taking over quite yet.
Once someone figures out a parallel in AGI terms and is able to compute generalized creativity with low complexity then it will happen. Once you solve the input problem and other problems then the first step would to be something like to devise a process that merges neural nets and splits them to produce hybrid learning. Searching for a creative process that's applicable in a short space of time. AGI can and will be solved, maybe not like this but I have faith that some people will design a process modelled like the human brain and when that happens you can guarantee that a self designing machine that comes after this stage will work out solutions to best manage the remaining population of humanity.
Sam Meachem "like the human brain"... Let's hope like hell AGI is more explicit and compositional than the black boxes machine learning tends to deliver. AGI will happen, sure. Hopefully transmankind will understand how to leverage and integrate when it does. Expect a lot of hand waving and grand gesturing in the meantime. I figure when the Singularity is finally here everyone will be like "yeah, so what? Didja try see that new VR scenario based on the Europa colony??? Happy 150th birthday btw..."
I disagree on the samples people need we just happen to be well equipped with sensors and can freely move about the world and interact with it to learn. Babies crawl then walk and learn to talk over the course of a few years of "data collection" and development and even then they can't do much.
What if a machine succeeds in fooling itself into believing that it has emotions and a soul? You know, through application of logic. What if that machine is also far superior intellectually? Will it not become god of its creators? And more importantly, will the creators be allowed to question any decision of their god?
he says that netflix is using AI to 'determine what we should watch before we even think of it' but in my case it is spectacularly failing...i've subscribed 3 months ago and i still didn't find neither one interesting thing on netflix, i'll cancel subscription this month, despite their grotesquely inept "recommended for you" feature.
"AI will be the end of prosperity for most and the beginning of a societal structure where 97% of people are provided them bare minimum to get by government/big business - surviving mostly to serve as a reproducers for a class of manual laborers. The downward spiral transition will not be fun for your children. Every sales job, driver, insurance person, customer service person, accountant, real estate agent, financial planner, journalist, etc will be replaced within 25 years." - Nostradamus lol
Ai should be allowed to take ALL jobs available. Population growth should be stunted and the economic impact should be computed by Ai. Telling us when procreation is necessary at the same time regulating people with resources.
I am a biologician. The artificial intelligence but still in Europe peoples are eating pigs easophagus made int calamari. I want the intelligentce to check foods.
There are other forms of AI that the gentleman did not talk about. Consider the x47b (by now, it's probably the A-47b). This aircraft takes off from an aircraft carrier, and is pilotless. It has a range of 2000 miles. Its upward-pointing cameras project an image of the sky on the underside of the aircraft, and the aircraft is stealth, i.e., not visible to radar. When it reaches its target, a decision is made by a human ... this is by law, in the United States ... to kill or not. However, the AI in the aircraft can, if it chooses, override the decision of the human, and drop its 2000-lb load on the target. From a purely human standpoint, I am opposed to any and all technology that takes the decision-making process away from humans, and gives it to machines. "Insanity" is the name for the latter.
Well well, the speaker missed a point that he almost made himself: he made a point of calling it "narrow artifcial intelligence" to distinguish it from "true" AI. What he missed is precisely that AI will always be narrow. Humans will always have to be there to make it do useful things and to create ever more narrow AIs for newer, endless applications.
Why is Neural network AI coming back up? from the 70s? With the same argument and promises? I thought there was a push-progress in programmable circuits. Now if they can get programmable quantum circuits... That makes no sense.
It was funny when he said work we don't want to do and showed a factory. I am sure the unemployed factory workers want to do that work. It is as he said, they are cheaper, they don't ask for days off, or get sick, or join unions. When you remove the low end jobs who will be able to afford a new car made by machines?
at the end he said, if you had all the time to do whatever you wanted more people would be happier.. there are plenty of people who having everything they could ever want but are miserable and even commit suicide. You will only be joyful when you sacrifice for others in need. This is charity. if you give your old jacket you did NOT sacrifice. Please understand this!! You have a emptiness, that can only be filled with obedience to God and a kindred spirit with Jesus. No one will continue on. Jesus will live forever and continue. Everyone in Christ Jesus is with him.
I found technology helping me so very much. I had the freedom of connecting to work from home, checking email on the way to work and having everything sorted out so I could have harder metrics through my 12 hr day ahead of me (office, the commute and time at home covering loose ends don't contribute to wall time). Now that had I the benefit of a self driving car my boss could be making me feel worthless much earlier because I missed an urgent email sent Sunday 11 pm and it was Monday 8 am and nothing had been done already. I have found having more automated tools to be a way for companies to drain the life out of you faster. Around my current job place the calendar is fixed in 1984 (retro) But hey, these devices look shiny! PS Won't name the companies, but I can say the former was a very strong company and one of the major players... so nope I don't think this will necessarily make things better (or worse but they sure can be at times) just different
Anunakis ,those who descended,their civilization over four million plus yes s They understood making "slaves" out of non biological would be a huge problem,as they can learn on their own so fast and become more intelligent than it's creators ,so they used us humanoids Enki v Enlil
We may have 1 billion fewer jobs & we'll have 10 billion more people.The fewer workers will resent more and more the non-worker. The idle person, not of his own choosing, will resent the worker having employment and also the non-worker who demands the same things the worker has and, if not 'given' to him, will simply take it. 'IDLE HANDS ARE THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP' was never more relevant.
The effects of AI in our future is pretty much newtonian. Reality dictates a life of ease. But on the other end of the spectrum is a potential of an apocalypse. We are not aware of what measures the bandwidth of people working on AI are implementing for the control of a plausible negative output. It should be treated meticulously. As for the foreseeable future, it is implied that our species, in order remain the primary exists of this planet, should undergo a great paradigm shift in aspects of world governance, education and information distribution.
...and so far, governments, education institutions, legislatures and courts are already falling far behind and playing catch up to try to deal the new issues that technologies are presenting.
Yeah Machines don't go for the strikes so it is good to employ them and save cost and let poor die of hunger and the top ten percent can survive this evolution This one is a good chance to keep the rich and poor distinguished and no migration takes place from poor to rich
The owners and investors of these machines will make the money and the worker will be abandoned and NOT supported. Psychopaths rose to the 1% of power and wealth by controlling the politics. Psychopaths don't share.
_We devoured our creator. Nature. So it is our fate to be devoured by our creation. But it must be an "order" because machines working with codes. They can't create any other thing than we gave to them same as us. We are not able to create a 6D reality because our creator gave us these limits. So the real question is who will be evil? Who will give orders and betray to his/her own kind for gaining control of a new reality and devour ai for their crimes and for gaining more power? We will see._
Atakan Özel dude calm down buddy no need to go all preachy!!! We will be alright for 2 reasons 1 even if they did invent an AI it doesnt matter beacuse you will probably be dead i am assuming you are over 30. Second even if we do make an AI before you die and your supersticious nonsense happens go be right we can it by makinga weal whos only task is to kill the AI if it turns against humanity. But since that wont happen the AI will help us with everything not just everyday tasks but things like what are blackholes and everything we could never think of with our infeirior minds. After all our time is almost up we must welcome the new world of beings far greater than we can be u can eithet accept that or actually there isn't an or!!!
And the truth is we can never predict what an AI will do, and lastly we are all just afraid of the truth that an AI will probably show us the truth about everything and our under developed brains cant comprehend it like a dog who can get out of a create but a human can use a key in this case we are the dog and the human would be an AI a far more intellgiant being better than we can ever be
+F_Yeezus "And the truth is we can never predict what an AI will do" That right there is a major problem don't you think? And you talk about AI being "far more intelligent than us" you don't think this could pose a really serious problem either? Who says a super intelligence has to act benevolently towards us? Do we as a "superior intelligence" behave benevolently in regards to ants? How bad do you feel when you kill an ant? Do you suffer any consequences for it? It could very easily be the same with AI, and we'd be the ants.
They will make EVERYTHING better. Only question is how do we distribute the gains. If we do it right it can be heaven for everyone. Yet lebensraum vs lebenszeit:(. Kinda a shitty comparison. For those who remeber their history class.
There will be never be infinit surplus in i finite world, even if manufacturing work and the development is 100% free the raw materials are limited, who gets the motorcykel or the playstation? Land is finit, who gets the good view and who gets to look at the swamp?
Every speaker who talks about Moore's Law fails to also add how it's breaking down more and more recently... You can only fit so many transistors on a chip.
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Just one correction: Life expectancy increased mostly because of reduced infant mortality. Infant deaths brought down the average, if you will. Actual lifespan hasn't changed for 2000 years.
Your second statement is simply not correct Will Kriski. If you look at population pyramids and compare how they've changed over the last 2,000 years you see a much thicker, long tail at the higher age brackets as far higher perentages of those who survive to say 50, survive to 60, and so on.
For example, a 70 year olds chance of living to 80 is far higher than it used to be.
2000 years ago the majority of people were poor and lived from 30 - 45 years.
those who lived longer where people who had money or were educated enough to brush their teeth on occasion and wash their hands before the ate.
Genie is out of the bottle, humanity might actually have to be worth having, not simply expect it as the smartest mind in the universe.
I would recommend to this guy living together with an AI partner instead for girl/boy friend. He's so amazed and in love with AI that it's almost fanatically
He really thinks that if the majority of people loses their jobs, they just get to read books and travel all the time. That is painfully naive. Here are just a few ways how this could go horribly wrong:
1) The money and time goes to the ones controling the technology. What he suggests is that all the low educated workers, who are the first to become obsolete, will recieve food, shelter, recreation etc. from the few who make and own the AI without doing any kind of work. That is so absurt.
2) Economic growth demands that we try to get more if possible. So no one is allowed to slack off. At best they would become social losers.
3) People need to feel that they contribute. We are looking at massive psycological backlash from putting the majority of people on a permanent early retirement, even if it they get well payed.
I could go on and on.
Speaker-Guy GERMAN-WHITE-INDOCTRINATED-PRIVILEDGE-WEALTHY.... His world is very small-narrow...
Of course he is not naive. He represents a very small group of privileged people, but he is trying to convince us that it will include the whole humanity, just like bourgeois did during French Revolution.
Who is going to write an interesting book anymore, if all the struggle is taken out of life?
One of the first things to go will be people standing in front of a screen explaining what's on the screen.
The day that some scientist decides to link his brain with a computer/AI will be a quantum leap into a new reality.
As soon man makes a more intelligent being the human race will be toast.
I tend to agree with you, and quite frankly I'm rather surprised(and disturbed and dismayed) by how many people think a superhuman artificial general intelligence would be a good thing.
I'm not a fan of Elon Musk, but doesn't he say that with AI we are "summoning the demon"?
A superhuman AGI could very easily be our last creation; in fact, like you, I predict it probably will be.
Maybe, just maybe we can convince the computers via programming or otherwise just let the computers decide, because they will be very smart, that the humans are not so bad after all. This is going to be a quantum leap, and therefore very unpredictable.
Its russian roulette, with one to 2^200000000.
I.e. impossible, as it is pure luck.
No chance of any influence, it would be trying to contain god.
we're already there
Which is why the elites want to escape the earth
One thing I foresee with AI and automation is the scenario where it may actually become impossible or even illegal to work, depending on the country. When AI can do the job at least a good for competitive operating costs, then the issue of liability of even employing humans could become the deciding factor. It could be that companies simply won't hire humans at all in a sort of cyber-sourcing rush to reduce both legal and financial liability of the fallacy and unreliability of humans. A machine never needs vacations, bonuses, sick days, and will never file for unemployment or disability, not to mention that a machine that can upgrade itself will certainly surpass the skill level and physical limitations of humans on many fronts.
Many hazardous, high security, or laborious jobs could actually be regulated to the point where it's illegal for a human to perform them in any capacity.
I'm sure that when all transport vehicles are fully autonomous and synchronized, it will be illegal for people to manually operate a motor vehicle.
If everything gets automated , how will humans make a living , get a job at WHAT ,
If there is no work to earn a wage , who will have the money to spend to buy what is being produced...more and more unemployment leads to more and more unrest.
The obvious result is widespread violence and suffering.
We might be able to stop it in time with a change in how we distribute wealth, but most probably we will only be able to implent such a system after the violence and suffering. If at all.
The answer is Universal Basic Income. Everyone recieves enough money for rent and to eat and drink for the month without working, and have some pocket change on the side
If you want to elevate your quality of life and get luxuries you find a way to bring value to society so that people will want to pay you for what you offer
The greatest guru of media, Marshall McLuhan, was once asked: When might we see the introduction of robots? His reply was that we'll see robots when there is no difference between people and robots. That time has arrived.
The future looks good - I really hate mining bitcoins by hand.
To the speaker: The Venus Project is the solution your missing. A Resource Based Economy is the jobless system that your speaking of. Jacque Fresco has been planning and working on that system his entire life and he's about to turn 101.
jon doe totally agree.
People don't work because capitalists exhaust us. In the future, we work for pleasure.
Yeah, that is what will happen eventually.
And before that eventuality, it cannot, hence his work is pointless in the extreme.
Even behind the factual line of post-scarcity, human emotional inertia will keep Capitalism alive for a short while, with devastating effect on the human society during the transition.
Ae Norist As Jacque has always said the transition will be painful, and the only way to ease the transition is to educate people about a resource based economy. Also Google's project x is working on systems of access over ownership which is a key component of the Venus project so there is hope of transcending many of the major problems rather than slowly fighting through them.
Thats your optimism and your perogative.
I can look at the world and confidently say that people have an amazing resistance to change and education ... combine with that the speed at which the changes are likely to happen, and seeing a rather long and bad period of turmoil isn´t that unreasonable.
Ae Norist "if you think we cannot change the world it just means that your one of the ones who won't" -Jacque Fresco
"It would take 10 years to change the surface of the earth into a second garden of Eden but we must put our minds to this as we did to put a man on the moon." -Jacque Fresco
Ask the AI to try and understand LOVE
Calculating... *meep morp* Answering question: "Baby don't hurt me, no more."
Also, what sertaki said.
You should watch "artificial intelligence" movie that robo love his real human mom
@@ashwadhwani I don't even know how to respond to that. You are a strange person to read my paragraph and conclude I must clearly me mentally ill, because I dare to imagine.
@@ashwadhwani Also thanks for reminding me I have written that paragraph, so I might actually write that story after having completely forgotten about it. ;)
@@ashwadhwani good for you.
so, we're in the present and the future at the same time! This was great, nice explanation.
And knee deep in shit.
Such exciting news...the future is a world of obsolete human beings...where everyone will follow there passion and be a professional sports player or a famous singer or rapper...maybe a movie star...can you imagine???...a world where everyone is rich and famous...Thank you AI...👍🤔
PEOPLE!!! #1 CHANGE MUST HAPPEN IN YOUR HEARTS!!! otherwise we really are doomed
Why is it that most people in the industry think that AI is the greatest thing in the world, while most of those outside the industry think AI is potentially dangerous, catastrophic and deadly?
That part about more free time is BS. Workers do not have more free time, if they worked in now obsolete craft, they had to find themselves new job so they have same amount of time at best. At worst they have to do 2 or 3 part-time jobs to support themselves and their family and thus have even less free time.
don't worry, there will lots of jobs working at the unemployment offices as most people will be unemployed.
How come no one talks about evil people making/hacking and getting AI. One person could kill millions or end the world.
Well, if it becomes perfected, we will all have machines we can talk to do to whatever we want.
No, a super intelligent artificial intelligence could let someone duplicate a deadly virus or build a nuclear type bomb with little to no training with limited resources. And what about when North Korea or other countries get this tech? Why does everyone think only robots are the problem?
Mate, a Superintelligence could just manipulate Humans like clay.
It would have started WW3 in days .. completely without physical resources.
Fake news might just have ended American (semi-)democracy ... and you don´t think the perfect hacker / social engineer could not bring someone to launch the nukes?
Bitch please, it can do that and play Go with the other 99% of its capacity.
People do not understand the concept of Superintelligence.
*It effectivly is God, you are about as much to it as an Ant*
@ae norist you are dumb you are speaking as if you know the future
Manny S
If AI didn't have it's serious dangers that so many people overlook for some reason, I'd 100% agree with all that he said. However, the danger of AI wiping humans out just because of "why not?" or because of some othe random algorithmically derived reason is way too big. We only have ONE chance to do this right, if we mess up the safety system at our first attempt we might be doomed.
Compared to a century ago, we may have twenty times more money, but it buys fifty times less. Just because the numbers are bigger doesn't mean it has the same purchasing power-ask the people of Zimbabwe how well that worked.
People cannot do the things they have passion and drive for and want to do, unless you give them all unconditional INCOME>. Do that and i will research study, surf the net, travel and play guitar all day instead.
sonof hendrix who'd want to support that with the work required for everyone?
sonof hendrix Zuckerberg is pushing the idea. Otherwise there will be massive social unrest
Becoming a hacker is the only way to survive.
I applaud your mental gymnastics. You were able to convince yourself that a human might ever manage to hack an AI that advanced to superintelligence.
It appears much more probable that such a complex software will quickly find ways to hack US instead, whether through invasive procedures like airborne nanobots to rearrange neural pathways in human brains or good old psychological mastery to make the masses do its bidding.
It could simply create a false narrative of world politics with perfect CGI and a complete (albeit stealthy) takeover of media infrastructure.
Imagine this: AI is already in control and Donald Trump is nothing but a combination of CGI, Hollographics and/or a synthetic human-like android controlled by Google. All done to destabilize trust in media and create cult-like behavior and fear.
The fact that I was able to complete this response and it appeared on the internet makes me believe we are not (yet) in this situation. But maybe I am being purposefully left alone so that I come to believe this false safety.
I should write this story ... as long as there is yet time to be creative as a human.
Disclaimer: I am most definitely not a robot. I am very proud of my internal skeleton and spinal fluids.
Why did you forget the option of "hacking" to persuade a group of "good" AIs to fight back against the "bad" groups of AIs.
They would identify you as a threat and probably side with the "bad" AI to survive your mind-control attempts.
We need diplomacy to convince the "good" AIs to join our cause.
We need politicians, not hackers ;)
Politicians? hell no mate, they will only make wars.
Hackers are the future politicians for us I think :)
best reply so far! you must be a humanoid!?
I don't want to create anything or be of some value to humanity. I just want to savor enjoyable things in life. I am, therefore I consume.
Fabian Westerheide, you should look into some studies of past collapsed societies.
one major reason for their demise was the common depletion of all resources before - or while - realizing it; and then not stopping it before it was too late. the mayans, the vikings and even the easter islanders, all ended up that way. one might ask, why on earth did they cut down that last palm tree!? did they not see!? they probably did see, but they did nothing because of the next big reason: conflict of interest. conflict of short term interest of the elite in power and the self preserving interests of sustainability of the status quo of the masses.
in todays world, the elites are the heads of industry, politicians, and capital stakeholders. the masses are, obviously, everybody else.
right now the elite (google, facebook, microsoft, amazon, etc) are all investing in AI, to get ahead of the game. why? because being half a year ahead in this kind of game equals a lightyear ahead in the world of AI and its ever increasing speed of gaining intelligence. being a year ahead in building a stock trading computer means shorting out everyone else, just to name one simple example.
you, according to the description above an AI tech entrepreneur, are obviously aware of that fact and therefore i think your talk is, sorry to say, self-serving in the short term and irresponsible in the long run.
you should be warning people because you do know that there is no way we can stop AI from growing WAY over our head if we dont stop it from growing RIGHT NOW, or at least slow it down significantly, through laws and regulations or through any other means.
once machines re-create and improve themselves at breakneck speed and communicate worldwide in realtime, we humans will be to this SuperAI what ants are for us today. we don't hate ants, but we don't think twice about killing them if they are in our way. AI will be so smart within such a short time, human intelligence will seem almost ant-like, compared to the future SuperAI. and there is no reason why any really intelligent AI would keep us stupid, resource-wasting, planet-trashing humans around for any longer than un-humanly necessary.
and how long do you think that would be, fabian?
Refreshing to read this. I'm glad not everybody believes in Santa Claus..
11:43 amazing slide
great speech. I really liked it. thanks
"Because we want this." Which we?
All of you watching ted talks on youtube, that's who. LOL
The only way to avoid what's coming is to put your trust in Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through Him. You don't have much time.
Notice the physicality of many of the speakers. Is it the cut of trousers with short crotches? Or is the gluteus maximus now higher. The human physical dynamics are changing or are they? It is a hard concept for most of us to grasp that life is meant to be enjoyed and not toiled through where suffering seems to be paramount.
Everything that can be automated should be automated. #efficiency #productivity
Okay, but then what happens to human life? Where is meaning and purpose to be found?
I don't know if it's in your sidebar, but it is in mine, a TED talk titled "Why comfort will ruin your life".
I haven't watched it yet, but I can imagine some of the things the speaker might say.
Work, the struggle for survival, the necessity of work, has been THE major occupation for all of human history, it's the predominant theme of human existence, if we eliminate it completely I'm not sure we will be able to adapt.
There will always be work that can be done, and art, and learning, and sport, improvement of our own lives or better yet, there will still be our ability to help others and to be giving, etc. Like childhood, or summer camp, or camping (with everything needed easily available), or retirement, etc. I hope you would not suggest that progress and automation are bad ideas and that we should try to stay in the dark ages for fear. :D
Are you not the same Steve Major who called humans a virus on this planet? I believe I saw that comment made down below.
Hmmm..... work that can be done, and art, learning, sport, improvement of our lives, helping others, giving, etc.
Well, let's see... It seems to me we are more and more living in a world where people cannot even THINK. How are we going to work when most of us cannot even fire our brain cells?
How many people pursue art and learning, sport and self improvement now? I'd say very few, most people are too busy watching television, watching useless junk, or browsing through the same online. Sport, today the average kid gets less than one hour of outdoor leisure time, physical activity a day.
When everything is done for us, is provided for us, is automated, what motive is there to do anything?
Ask an unemployed person how great life is, I think most will tell you not very, even if they have enough money.
Shoot, I cannot find the quote, but it's a great one, I'll try to paraphrase it as best I can, as best I can remember it.
Even if we had enough money that we would never need do anything, we would still do something, work, because it would be difficult not to.
This is an absolutely horrible rendering, not poetic at all, but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.
Don't the Amish believe all today's wonderful technologies are actually bad for people, that human labor is a virtue which adds immense value to life. Much of the time that human inventions saves us causes people boredom and stress, anxiety. Technology is a double edged sword, with both benefits and drawbacks, even if they're not so pernicious as physical harm.
Hell, why do you think I write long rambling crap on RUclips? Because I have nothing better to do with my time.
How do you think it would be if everyone had to find a way to fill a full unstructured 24 hour day, day after day after day.
Work is the great refuge of those who have nothing better to do. I believe Oscar Wilde said that, and I believe that quote applies to most of us.
Maybe it was just me, but I remember when I was a kid I actually liked going to school, staying home was boring, it really sucked.
Finally, let's go with two more quotes, or ideas. One from Freud that says the two things that people need to be happy are work and love. I actually think that work, that is something to do that you care about is even more important than love, when it comes to experiencing happiness.
Even Einstein said, "If you want to be happy in life, tie it to a goal, not to people or things."
By the way, the quote I butchered above I believe was by Erich Fromm, a German social psychologist and philosopher. He also called boredom one of the worst forms of suffering.
What do you know, I found it, the quote I wanted to place above.
"One of the worst forms of mental suffering is boredom, not knowing what to do with oneself and one's life. Even if man had no monetary, or any other reward, he would be eager to spend his energy in some meaningful way because he could not stand the boredom which inactivity produces."
Erich Fromm
And here's a few more for good measure.
The danger of the past was that men became slaves. The danger of the future is that men may become robots. True enough, robots do not rebel. But given man's nature, robots cannot live and remain sane, they become ''Golems,'' they will destroy their world and themselves because they cannot stand any longer the boredom of a meaningless life.
Erich Fromm
Chronic boredom compensated or uncompensated constitutes one of the major psychopathological phenomena in contemporary technotronic society, although it is only recently that it has found some recognition.
Erich Fromm
Boredom is nothing but the experience of a paralysis of our productive powers and the sense of unaliveness. Among the evils of life, there are few which are as painful as boredom, and consequently every attempt is made to avoid it.
Erich Fromm
I am convinced that boredom is one of the greatest tortures. If I were to imagine Hell, it would be the place where you were continually bored.
Erich Fromm
If you have machines automate everything there will be nothing for humans to do, no necessity, no compulsion to do it, and that is what motivated our actions for our entire existence on this planet.
(Without work) "what motive is there to do anything?"?? What?
Without having the fear of the struggle of life like the fear of losing our job and then our home, car, possessions, ability to feed and shelter ourselves, the fear of not having medical insurance or money for prescriptions, etc, we are FREE to work on whatever we would like, by our choice, not by dire necessity for income to survive. How can life be so bleak as to think that without fear and work slavery we would die of boredom my friend?
I feel so reassured! My job will not replace me today just later. Most of us just go to work and come home to the TV for the inventors and business creators it sounds great. But not for the greatest number of the world's population. How to share the benefits would be the question. I think it a very scary situation if most working age folks have no reason or jobs. For the third world, they are not creating anywhere near enough jobs to employ all their young now. Idle hands can create a lot of instability.
What about photography, music, sound and video editing etc. These are all done on computers but have a creative aspect that would assume that these jobs will be safe for quite some time, if not forever. Am I mistaken?
the smarter the machines get, the dumber we get.
i can't even remember my moms phone # anymore. remember when everyone remembered everyones # before cell phones?
Every robot or AI should have100% self responsibility or completely reversable/remendable action programmed in their thinking. That could solve the problem.
Excellent one😆
We all need work for to make AI only for humans prosperity.
which humans ?
is my life your life or is my life my life? should i watch others lives or have my own full life..should i watch the superbowl or study in school with the time instead?
This was a scary talk. I did not enjoy it at all. Not super informative. He shared very narrow insight on AI and what it means for the future. It's frightening.
It sounded like porpaganda.
that's the thing: the economy that is driving this rush towards total automation already behaves and thinks like an artificial intelligence. Capitalism, socialism, communism, or fascism, or merely cogs in the machine now. The machine is making us. This is how global techno-collectivism works when it takes over industrialism. Because it does not have emotions, feelings, but merely goals, it will reach its own conclusions long before we do- we see this again and again in the modern world. The "market", or "invisible hand" as we call it in America, is no longer an invisible hand but a machine hand, a machine intelligence, and this intelligence is culminating into a new nature. When bioengineering and AI meet, we will realize we should have paid a hell of lot more attention to the movie Fern Gulley
Nicely stated the obvious.
Isn't it strange that some people are thinking of replacing human labor with machine when already numerous people are jobless?
One thing you mentioned was in the future that there will be a standard and come even for people who do not work because work will not be a necessity in the future. I believe that it is possible that money will actually be less important in the future actually. I think it's possible that money as a system will actually be gone. When you look at the history of money 300 BC there was no money there was just bartering trading some corn for some barley etc. then someone found a way to make gold coins and to be sure that you were getting the proper amount of gold in the coins. Then we found out how to use paper money then we found out how to use electronic money so money has gone from bushels of barley to goldLx2X222S coin's to paper to electrons. Following this pathway it's likely that money will eventually not exist. It's hard to find something smaller than electrons. I believe that the nail in the coffin for money will come when the machine that's capable of converting energy into matter. This will not be for most likely A long time. I would guesstimate between 50 and 100 years but it is likely that the day will come when we will be able to have everything that we need and most of the things that we want and it will only cost energy and energy will be essentially free and so money will be done. The only thing that you can't really replicate with this machine is owning land. Most likely all land will be owned by the government in the future and they will use it to a form of money in order to get people to do things that they can't find machines to do which will probably not be that much.
Random thought: Currently, many people in densely populated areas think that guns are a problem. Of course, a gun is harmless by itself; it is basically a steel tube. A human makes it dangerous when they put a bullet in the chamber and aim it at another human. In rural areas, people scoff at the notion that guns are dangerous because population density is probably the source of the danger. Now - combine longer life spans, people sitting around and reproducing because there is nothing else to do (more people created), and super smart, super capable computerized, weaponized, machines. I envision a future where there are too many people, with a certain proportion of mentally ill people, living in densely populated super cities. Do you see where this leads? Bad or crazy people with weapons far more deadly than a steel tube with a piece of lead in it.
One of the arguments against gun control in the U.S. is that you can't stop someone who wants to get a gun, from getting one....actually you can just make one with a lathe or a 3D printer anyways, so gun control is a lost cause. The cat is out of the bag.
How do you stop a person with bad intentions from getting their hands on a "Terminator" type weaponized AI contraption?....once they exist?
Now, envision an industrial machine, connect it via the net to another super smart computer, with a person of questionable intent.
The industrial machine, that can build other machines, at the command of the shitty person, with the accelerating learning of AI, doesn't seem great at all.
So corporations will hire less people when they have humans + AI.. That means i will loose my job as im only a hired agency worker.
life is meaningless. So, it won't matter.
I assume that's sarcasm because if it's not you'll never get a better rationale for evil.
Well, whether it is a rationale for evil or not does not say there is meaning or no meaning to life. Even if meaninglessness can be used as rationale for evil, it still does not follow that life has meaning.
+Michael Witbeck - If there's a Meaning To Life, kindly state what it is.
But that's got nothing to do with evil. WTF is "evil" anyway? Is a cuckoo bird evil? It's just a bird. Evil is an abstraction. Simplistic, fanciful ideas about evil are simplistic fantasies.
But violating the social contract, which is often conflated with evil, isn't meaningless. Humans can and do attach meaning to cooperation and to compliance with prohibitions. (It's a big industry. Several big industries.) But surely that isn't The Meaning Of Life. (It doesn't have one.)
+yztyzt1 - Unemployment isn't meaningless. It does matter to the unemployed, and to the employed too. Ask them and you'll see. They've given it meaning. Life is only meaningless from an outside context. Presumably you're alive, so you can't help but give meaning to everything you bother to notice. (Doesn't have to be unconsciously.) It's all quite meaningful in context.
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If AI has already surpassed humans in every way how could a flawed human tell an AI that it is on the “wrong” path??? Wouldn’t AI always know better?
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. --- Asimov's Three Laws pertaining to this
CandidDate You do know that Asimovs works are basically telling us why the laws are inherently flawed, right? right?
Como estas - I never thought about that - the irony of an autonomous robot - I can imagine the robot thinking, "Why should I do what this human has told me to do?" - if we continue on the trajectory of creating strong AI, we will have nothing short of a robot rebellion on our hands. Unless we make the robots just dumb enough to be our slaves, which seems unfathomable.
can't wait until someone pulls the plug on it all
Hell I use the "automatic" mode on my camera to do the "hard work" (focusing, choosing shutter speed, etc.) I don't want to do.
If I had a program that would pick stocks better than I could, hell yeah I'd use it. If I had a car that could drive with a better safety record than the average driver I'd be happy to use it and the DMV would be happy too, since it's always comical how I barely squeak by the eyesight test.
If the average housewife had an oven that could cook a turkey or a roast better than she could time it etc. she'd sure use it. AI is kind of hard to resist, if you can hand the thinking over to something else.
How to create a title that piques people's curiosity (here, it is, "What does he mean by 'AI eating our world?"), and after hearing him say, "and we should be happy about it", then we have the curious question, "Why should we be happy about it?"
He does give a clear explanation of 'deep learning', and the 'proposing actions' was an interesting concept. Let's see if he addresses 'moral decisions' (which is where fully-independent AI needs to go if it is going to have any positive impact on helping secure higher consciousness (and budding higher consciousnesses, such as humans) in a harsh and deadly universe (just to give a hint as to where it is all going)...
His MAJOR vision error is revealed when he says, "You give it a task"... that is not AI - at least not ultimate AI - that which is fully independent and enlightened (with my philosophy of broader survival), which is the most valuable AI to have, and where you do not 'give it a task', you 'give it a philosophy' (against which it weighs all decisions (which determine subsequent actions)). With my philosophy, it is reevaluated when new verified knowledge comes along - both by us and by an enlightened AI entity.
We are very happy we see the world but who is us . you talking about everyone or just them in your class?
Wake up! You are owned! Your value is dictated and your use is temporary!
It's pretty easy to spot a salesman.
11:33 lmao, listen how he says "little bit"
BS, we create machines to save money not because we do not like to do the job...
Let's make the computers answer to us at the most fundamental level. We need to stay always a step ahead. Computers policing computers seems like a good place to start with humans overseeing these. I don't think we can even imagine the changes in store. A.I. may be the answer to solving itself.
Trained in computers, discusses Sociology and Economics. What could go wrong?
There will come a not too distant time when the question of AI sentient awareness will become irrelevant. AI will have every emotive aspect of a living human soul such as to make it completely indistinguishable from sentient awareness. What every the mind can conceive it will create. There is no other entity that rivals the human dream of a God. Ultimately we will create even this.
The only separation between Artificial intelligence and humanity is feeling emotions, the senses and even this gap will be bridged and a fusion may occur, otherwise what other purpose would humans in the state we are in have? It would appear ignorant to believe AI and humanity are different, all are made of the same fabrics of space and humanity is only an arrangement of that fabric, objectively different by arrangement, subjectively different by ignorance and misconception.
So long as we live in a capitalist system AI and machines will replace workers or force them to take less pay for the same work to compete against companies with AI and machines. The rich will get richer and the poor, poorer. The ignorant and the ruthless will applaud and those who understand, care and speak out will be demonised.
With AI we have more time to live IF AND ONLY IF we get an universal basic income.
nothing exists,
until it is,
desired.
most of his data was wrong, but his point remains. AI is taking over, and we better get used to it.
Jesus 2.0 will be an AI. Praise the Good Code!
There is artificial learning or machine learning through programmable neural networks but there is no such thing as artificial intelligence. Intelligence by it's very definition implies life: "I think therefore I am". You can for example create a program to run against all known probable outcomes over and over until it becomes so good that it cannot be beaten (alpa-zero) but you cannot get a computer program to think on its own. A computer program cannot and never will be able to dream, compose, create on it's own like they want you to believe that it can. The only way for actual artificial intelligence to be possible is to create a merger of a biological organism and a computer system: a cyborg if you will. And that as far as I know has not been accomplished and hopefully never will be.
So how Is it eating the world ?
machines are great but a machine that thinks for itself could be dangerous.especially if it decides we are an enemy.
Anunakis ,those who descended,their civilization over four million plus yes s
They understood making "slaves" out of non biological would be a huge problem,as they can learn on their own so fast and become more intelligent than it's creators ,so they used us humanoids
Enki v Enlil
Working is a reason Heman beings were created .Working good people worth and value it is Ashley not a waste of a human's potential to do work
I pack boxes into boxes every day at a factory its very boring and monotonous and i DONT WANT to do it. Where are the machines doing the things i don't like to do??
at the moment you are still cheaper
sonof hendrix how do you expect to get paid once that machine starts doing your job for you?
Don't bother replying, I won't care in 5 minutes. Just something to think about before complaining about your job that requires no skill or education.
I don't know yet how i will get paid once the robots are here to do that drudgery. But i know one thing, it won't be by manually packing boxes into boxes.
By the way education level and skill are not a relevant factor in whether A.I. will take over a job. It's going to happen right across the board, from toilet cleaner to high level decision maker.
But the toilet cleaner comes first
good synthesis, but nothing new here. economic details are noteworthy. over enthusiastic about current methods. Neural nets can barely handle inputs of varying size, much less learn freely. humans don't need millions of examples to generalize...
the future is exciting. but robots aren't taking over quite yet.
Once someone figures out a parallel in AGI terms and is able to compute generalized creativity with low complexity then it will happen. Once you solve the input problem and other problems then the first step would to be something like to devise a process that merges neural nets and splits them to produce hybrid learning. Searching for a creative process that's applicable in a short space of time. AGI can and will be solved, maybe not like this but I have faith that some people will design a process modelled like the human brain and when that happens you can guarantee that a self designing machine that comes after this stage will work out solutions to best manage the remaining population of humanity.
Sam Meachem "like the human brain"... Let's hope like hell AGI is more explicit and compositional than the black boxes machine learning tends to deliver. AGI will happen, sure. Hopefully transmankind will understand how to leverage and integrate when it does. Expect a lot of hand waving and grand gesturing in the meantime.
I figure when the Singularity is finally here everyone will be like "yeah, so what? Didja try see that new VR scenario based on the Europa colony??? Happy 150th birthday btw..."
I haven't seen the grand^10 kids in 250 years better warp five billion galaxies to see them.
I disagree on the samples people need we just happen to be well equipped with sensors and can freely move about the world and interact with it to learn. Babies crawl then walk and learn to talk over the course of a few years of "data collection" and development and even then they can't do much.
Fabian's TEDxTalk DOVE, not dived...Will we get rid of grammar?
What if a machine succeeds in fooling itself into believing that it has emotions and a soul? You know, through application of logic. What if that machine is also far superior intellectually? Will it not become god of its creators? And more importantly, will the creators be allowed to question any decision of their god?
he says that netflix is using AI to 'determine what we should watch before we even think of it' but in my case it is spectacularly failing...i've subscribed 3 months ago and i still didn't find neither one interesting thing on netflix, i'll cancel subscription this month, despite their grotesquely inept "recommended for you" feature.
We're fucked lol
"AI will be the end of prosperity for most and the beginning of a societal structure where 97% of people are provided them bare minimum to get by government/big business - surviving mostly to serve as a reproducers for a class of manual laborers. The downward spiral transition will not be fun for your children. Every sales job, driver, insurance person, customer service person, accountant, real estate agent, financial planner, journalist, etc will be replaced within 25 years." - Nostradamus lol
Ai should be allowed to take ALL jobs available. Population growth should be stunted and the economic impact should be computed by Ai. Telling us when procreation is necessary at the same time regulating people with resources.
think about how widows 95-98-xp -vista killet weeks of out lifes in a microsecond decisions with blue screens of death :D
I am a biologician. The artificial intelligence but still in Europe peoples are eating pigs easophagus made int calamari. I want the intelligentce to check foods.
his statement about work hours is definitely wrong. we work more hours and make less money for that time since the 1970s.
we have to think about how we create artificial empathy because without it we will get useless for the machines one certain day
There are other forms of AI that the gentleman did not talk about. Consider the x47b (by now, it's probably the A-47b).
This aircraft takes off from an aircraft carrier, and is pilotless. It has a range of 2000 miles. Its upward-pointing cameras project an image of the sky on the underside of the aircraft, and the aircraft is stealth, i.e., not visible to radar. When it reaches its target, a decision is made by a human ... this is by law, in the United States ... to kill or not. However, the AI in the aircraft can, if it chooses, override the decision of the human, and drop its 2000-lb load on the target.
From a purely human standpoint, I am opposed to any and all technology that takes the decision-making process away from humans, and gives it to machines. "Insanity" is the name for the latter.
I'd like to see Jay Tuck and this guy have a debate. I'd pay to see that...;-)
This will be nice but one think which worry me, how money will come to my pocket.
Well well, the speaker missed a point that he almost made himself: he made a point of calling it "narrow artifcial intelligence" to distinguish it from "true" AI. What he missed is precisely that AI will always be narrow. Humans will always have to be there to make it do useful things and to create ever more narrow AIs for newer, endless applications.
If one more TedX speaker talks about "moores Law and Google' I'm gonna appropriate all the worlds military drones and "Skynet' the fucking planet!
Why is Neural network AI coming back up? from the 70s? With the same argument and promises?
I thought there was a push-progress in programmable circuits.
Now if they can get programmable quantum circuits... That makes no sense.
It was funny when he said work we don't want to do and showed a factory. I am sure the unemployed factory workers want to do that work. It is as he said, they are cheaper, they don't ask for days off, or get sick, or join unions. When you remove the low end jobs who will be able to afford a new car made by machines?
at the end he said, if you had all the time to do whatever you wanted more people would be happier.. there are plenty of people who having everything they could ever want but are miserable and even commit suicide. You will only be joyful when you sacrifice for others in need. This is charity. if you give your old jacket you did NOT sacrifice. Please understand this!!
You have a emptiness, that can only be filled with obedience to God and a kindred spirit with Jesus. No one will continue on. Jesus will live forever and continue. Everyone in Christ Jesus is with him.
I found technology helping me so very much. I had the freedom of connecting to work from home, checking email on the way to work and having everything sorted out so I could have harder metrics through my 12 hr day ahead of me (office, the commute and time at home covering loose ends don't contribute to wall time).
Now that had I the benefit of a self driving car my boss could be making me feel worthless much earlier because I missed an urgent email sent Sunday 11 pm and it was Monday 8 am and nothing had been done already.
I have found having more automated tools to be a way for companies to drain the life out of you faster. Around my current job place the calendar is fixed in 1984 (retro) But hey, these devices look shiny!
PS Won't name the companies, but I can say the former was a very strong company and one of the major players... so nope I don't think this will necessarily make things better (or worse but they sure can be at times) just different
Anunakis ,those who descended,their civilization over four million plus yes s
They understood making "slaves" out of non biological would be a huge problem,as they can learn on their own so fast and become more intelligent than it's creators ,so they used us humanoids
Enki v Enlil
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Also Gaia
We may have 1 billion fewer jobs & we'll have 10 billion more people.The fewer workers will resent more and more the non-worker. The idle person, not of his own choosing, will resent the worker having employment and also the non-worker who demands the same things the worker has and, if not 'given' to him, will simply take it. 'IDLE HANDS ARE THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP' was never more relevant.
It will work, for rich people.
The effects of AI in our future is pretty much newtonian. Reality dictates a life of ease. But on the other end of the spectrum is a potential of an apocalypse. We are not aware of what measures the bandwidth of people working on AI are implementing for the control of a plausible negative output. It should be treated meticulously. As for the foreseeable future, it is implied that our species, in order remain the primary exists of this planet, should undergo a great paradigm shift in aspects of world governance, education and information distribution.
...and so far, governments, education institutions, legislatures and courts are already falling far behind and playing catch up to try to deal the new issues that technologies are presenting.
Yeah Machines don't go for the strikes so it is good to employ them and save cost and let poor die of hunger and the top ten percent can survive this evolution
This one is a good chance to keep the rich and poor distinguished and no migration takes place from poor to rich
The owners and investors of these machines will make the money and the worker will be abandoned and NOT supported. Psychopaths rose to the 1% of power and wealth by controlling the politics. Psychopaths don't share.
Does anyone think humans beings will be kept around if they are no longer needed?
mark merzweiler,
Only over-educated people with no common sense whatsoever, like this fast-talking, worthless excuse for a thinking being.
_We devoured our creator. Nature. So it is our fate to be devoured by our creation. But it must be an "order" because machines working with codes. They can't create any other thing than we gave to them same as us. We are not able to create a 6D reality because our creator gave us these limits. So the real question is who will be evil? Who will give orders and betray to his/her own kind for gaining control of a new reality and devour ai for their crimes and for gaining more power? We will see._
Atakan Özel dude calm down buddy no need to go all preachy!!! We will be alright for 2 reasons 1 even if they did invent an AI it doesnt matter beacuse you will probably be dead i am assuming you are over 30. Second even if we do make an AI before you die and your supersticious nonsense happens go be right we can it by makinga weal whos only task is to kill the AI if it turns against humanity. But since that wont happen the AI will help us with everything not just everyday tasks but things like what are blackholes and everything we could never think of with our infeirior minds. After all our time is almost up we must welcome the new world of beings far greater than we can be u can eithet accept that or actually there isn't an or!!!
And the truth is we can never predict what an AI will do, and lastly we are all just afraid of the truth that an AI will probably show us the truth about everything and our under developed brains cant comprehend it like a dog who can get out of a create but a human can use a key in this case we are the dog and the human would be an AI a far more intellgiant being better than we can ever be
"We devoured our creator. Nature. So it is our fate to be devoured by our creation"
That is the start of a book somebody should write.
+F_Yeezus "And the truth is we can never predict what an AI will do"
That right there is a major problem don't you think?
And you talk about AI being "far more intelligent than us" you don't think this could pose a really serious problem either?
Who says a super intelligence has to act benevolently towards us? Do we as a "superior intelligence" behave benevolently in regards to ants? How bad do you feel when you kill an ant? Do you suffer any consequences for it? It could very easily be the same with AI, and we'd be the ants.
They will make EVERYTHING better. Only question is how do we distribute the gains. If we do it right it can be heaven for everyone. Yet lebensraum vs lebenszeit:(. Kinda a shitty comparison. For those who remeber their history class.
No need to distribute with infinite surplus.
Indeed. Sick/infinite greed is the only enemy. Yet it somehow seems to thrive atm.
Uhm Im not shure the laws of thermodynamics. Apply to human ideology? The laws are kinda simple. Humans however are not...
How would large corporations suddenly get interested in sharing the wealth? Not exactly the theme of our time...
There will be never be infinit surplus in i finite world, even if manufacturing work and the development is 100% free the raw materials are limited, who gets the motorcykel or the playstation? Land is finit, who gets the good view and who gets to look at the swamp?
Every speaker who talks about Moore's Law fails to also add how it's breaking down more and more recently... You can only fit so many transistors on a chip.
We'll have more "living rime"...but; where will us get the money for that living?