20 min. and click on like and coaching web site. I would like to see you compare your Mathews to Prime CT9, to see if we can get you to switch ;) In my opinion those two are basically same design (long riser, short limbs) with better price and cam on Prime
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
I worked in a bow shop for 3 years. I set up and sold hundreds of this exact bow. Part of our sales pitch was that this bow would do well for nearly anyone. I would trust this bow from anything from squirrels to moose.
15:12, Pro tip I learned in the military. Use index marks on EVERYTHING. Take a sharpie or map marker (they should come off with hand sanitizer but test first) that way if anything comes moves accidentally or intentionally you have a reference to get it back quickly. I recommend you use map markers with a super fine tip, that way you get the most accurate index mark. For the sake of clarity, an index mark for those who dont know is just a drawn line on a non moving part of the weapon system and a corresponding line that is on a moving part of it. You just make both lines "line up" and you know they are set back to the original location. examples include sights, rests, stabilizers and grips
"not recommend for a hunter"............. not sure what your recommendation criteria is for hunting, something where longbows and recurves are still used. This bow is tiny, compact, light 'enough, comfortable fall-off for long holds, and if you shorten your draw length one notch you can pull firmly into the wall and take away 99% of the "sponginess", and it shoots over 315fps with my setup - I've taken a dozen deer, two elk and dozens of boar in the time I have had it - and I have the original Edge. For tree hunting, ground blinds, and brush blinds, its great, small, and on-the-cheap setup.
I've had the Infinite Edge Pro since 2015 and have killed tons of deer with it, all on public land. Just had my first ever string replacement last month, and it is back to being like a brand new bow and my back wall is still solid as a rock. I use it with the Apex Gear AG2301GB 1 dot Covert Pro power dot sight and it's a deadly combo.
I have bows ranging from 150$ to 600$. The thing i noticed is that it doesnt matter if you shoot a cheap or expensive bow but I do recommend quality accessories. Because i notice the cheaper accessories tend to get lose while shooting while the more expensive ones dont. My advise is to invest in accessories and safe money on the bow itself. You can always upgrade the bow and use the same accessories.
to someone that isn't familiar to the sport, this video speaks volumes to the importance of form and technique while shedding light on how little the sport relies on equipment. Equipment can make things more consistent and even convenient, but its repetition and consistency that matter in the world of archery. great video, you have my subscribe and thumbs up :)
Thank you so much Jon! You're completely right. Companies prefer people to believe that the brand name is everything, but in reality if you put in enough effort, you will see the results.
Same. Got one for Christmas when I was about 11 and now am fifteen. Never did anything to it except adjust sights, poundage, and draw length. Never even put a stabilizer on it.
Great video. It's cool to see a pro style archer using some inexpensive bows and being able to talk about them. This was a down to earth humble review that I really enjoyed watching. Great content.
Many years ago I was told I would never shoot worth a damn because I had a Bear Whitetail 2. (from a competition shooter) Months later and a lot of practice I was holding my own against the best shooters in the club and won a few 3d shoots. Then I started to upgrade my equipment as money would allow. Its a great sport and can put food on the table to boot.
I had 2 white tail 2s. One for competition. One for hunting. Matched up shot for shot eith a buddy who had a diamond. Then again with his mathews. I miss those bows.
Cheap LOL I shoot a single cam bear Wild I get one inch groupings at 20 yards so I can't complain but you want to shoot a cheap bow step into that one but a great video very informative you're quite the shot keep up the good work
Wow, way to be racist AF. So many cultures used bow and arrow, not just the indigenous American which you ignorantly called “indians” like the killer columbus did.
@@Fausto_4841 Wow, I didn't know snowflakes watch these types of shows. Wake up and climb out of the rock. The phrase wasn't invented by me. Its a phrase said throughout the generations. lol. Snowflakes melts away.
Good, honest video. Assuming that the draw length was already by chance good for the buyer, that bow is right out the box plenty accurate and dependable enough to go hunting and kill a deer. All's it would require is a couple of hours of tweaking and practice for the individual and that's it. Lotta very, very expensive bows on the market but to be honest they're no better for the average deer hunting situation than that bow.
You can turn a $100 bow into a compatition bow. Don't believe everything people say. It's the shooter that makes the Archer. A better now doesn't make it any funner either.
I much prefer traditional style bows and if you get fibreglass ones they can be like $75 and like $20 shipping. If you want to see some look for a channel called armin hirmer and a site called alibow
Get a recurve, more skill involved and much cheaper, and the take downs are awesome and convenient. Plus if you're good with a recurve, you're great with a compound....
Great video. Thanks for doing this. Very entertaining. Only minor “issue” I had was how quickly you said no to it being a hunting bow. Your opinion is your opinion and I’m not dogging on you but it seems bizarre that you’d do this test which essentially “proved” archery is more about good practice, proper form, and a good mindset than having the best bow on the market but turn around and say the IEP couldn’t be a hunting bow. I know about the string stretch and the back wall being a little squishy but in the right hands, this is a stone cold deer killer.
Thank you so much! You're exactly right. Haha, I've had to explain this so many times 😂. This bow can be an absolute monster in the right hands. Why I say that I wouldn't recommend it as a beginner hunting bow is because the weaknesses are too major for a beginner. It would be super easy to injure an animal if the archer lacked experience and was hunting with the stock bow. I never want that to happen. If the archer is willing to put in the time and effort into tuning and form, this bow will be killer. I know the majority of archers don't have the time nor the resources to be able to super tune the bow and change their form to be as accurate as possible. That's why I wouldn't exactly recommend it as a beginner hunting bow. I hope this makes sense! Thanks for watching!
Can you reccomend a good cheap compound for a beginning hunter? I am in the market and I have gone down the rabbit hole and everything was pointing toward this diamond until I see this comment haha. I am willing to go up to 500ish for budget
@@traesdb11 What's up man! Thanks for watching by the way. In regards to your question, the Diamond Infinite Edge is a solid bow if you can put in the time to practice with it. And since it is under your budget, this allows you to buy custom strings which I highly recommend that you do (The stock strings that come with the diamond are not that great). I believe this will help you a lot in improving accuracy. If you're thinking about going with a different bow, I'd recommend that you go to your local archery shop and try out the bows in your budget. When testing these bows, focus on the grip, draw cycle, and any other factors that may be important to you (ie. speed, vibration, etc). I hope this helps and let me know if you have anymore questions! My email is always open as well: samuelwhitearchery@gmail.com
Thank you tons for the response man I really appreciate it. I Will for sure keep that in mind and I'm glad it isnt disqualified :) Keep up the great content. I just subscribed last night so I look forward to it all.
Excellent and honest video about the bow. It was awesome when you thanked your viewers for their time. Thank YOU for spending several days to test the bow and provide us with valuable information.
I know I'm coming into this really late but as an avid Montana hunter I use this bow as my "practice" bow throughout the year as I can adjust the weight down far enough that I don't get fatigue from long practice sessions simply to keep my muscles in shape. For hunting I shoot a Bowtech BTX 31 set to 70 pounds which is putting my arrows down range at over 320 FPS. That said, back to the point, the Infinite Edge is a fantastic bow for just having fun with the kids and keeping you in shape for hunting season and it's a good backup bow to keep at Elk camp just in case your primary bow has problems.
My dad bought one of the first infinite edges years ago and fell in love, I just recently bought the edge pro and got it tuned up within 1 hour and grouping within 1/4 in
The diamond edge sb1 is the first bow I ever shot. And got me addicted a little over two years ago. Loved it. The two bowes are very similar. I adjust it back and forth for myself and my kids. To get someone new to try archery this is a grate bow for that. I shot it at 25 inch 70 lb and my kid at 22 inch and about 20 lb. And only takes a couple min to swap it.
I have the Diamond Razor Edge that came out way before the Infinite Edge. Slayed a buck a year since I got it. It’s maxed out at 60lbs. I named it “Tags” cause I fill them every year! I want to get one with a heavier draw weight but Tags never disappoints.
Awesome video, I love bow tech bows, personally they are my favorite. The only thing that gets me is the idea that a $300.00 bow is considered as a budget bow. I have made osage orange, ash, oak, hazel, hickory, and sycamore bows of high poundage, perfect for hunting and they last a really long time if well taken care of. Some last longer than others and some last a lifetime. Yes there is a major difference between the different types of bows but the main purpose is it's a hunting tool, to place an obscene price on it is ridiculous in my opinion, how much does one think it's worth is the question opposed to the quality and how good and effective the product is itself. I completely understand the "you get what you pay for" concept but when bows reach to the thousands of dollars in price and the only difference is the name that is written on it, that is more like "make me rich suckers" status, not this is a high quality bow and worth your hard earned money. The actual cost to engineer a good, solid, workable, and high quality bow for just one person is very expensive however in a production line punched out thousand daily starts cutting the price of production to extremely minimal cost thus $300 to even $400 dollars is a solid fair price for a compound bow making the budget bow term more like $75 to $150 not $300 as it is so commonly said nowadays.
I have three kids in the JOAD program so can't afford target bows. I purchased one of these new off of craigslist for $165. My daughter shoot this in Vegas and Cincinnati last year. She has been flirting with olympian for 2 years shooting 280's (with the original strings) shooting 2315 Eastons with 125 grain (i think) tips. I love watching her beat the cocky $1000 bow shooters. More than just a starter bow. It will perform well until your budger allows for that target bow to put you up to the top.
That's awesome! I always love seeing budget bows beat down on the crazy expensive competition bows, haha! I wish her luck on getting that Olympian pin! Thanks for watching
Matt Skindzier glad to hear it. I just bought this bow the other day. I had a good day yesterday with it. Shot around 100 arrows total throughout the day. I’m brand new to archery and am having a heck of a time getting my sight right. Aside from the accuracy I should have at 20 yards, it’s got a great amount of power and a very smooth shot. I’ve got more tinkering to do with the sight but overall I’m very happy with it.
Wow! I am thinking about starting archery as a hobby and researching info from RUclips. You just saved me a bunch of grief knowing that the equipment, properly tuned, can perform well. Thank you for making this video!
Now this is quality content!!!! Not some stroke me off to the latest flagship!!!! Very very well done! What would make a fantastic follow-up video is a step-by-step tuning of this bow. And other budget bows. Lots of dads out there purchasing these for their kids to start out! Happy to subscribe!!
Good job. You are amazing to watch shoot. I am not nearly as accurate as you. Thank you for doing this. This will help a lot of people who are scared from catalog prices. The tuning required, most people like myself just aren't qualified to do or have access to equipment to do it with. I have went to traditional recurve which can get started even cheaper.
Excellent video!! I have been preaching that with proper form, a fabulous score can be achieved with an Infinite Edge, Fuel, Convergence, etc. You proved it very well!!
great video and yes, i did watch it 'til the end! hey, i got 2 questions. one is early on you mentioned that the string/cables were cheap. wondering if you ever swapped those out for better quality and did that help with the issues you mentioned toward the end (ie, starting off great with all "X's" and ending up with more "9's" towards the end. also having to mess with the tuning almost throughout the sessions). 2nd question is your adjustments required a bowpress. didn't i see somewhere that the diamond line allows for adjustments without the need for a bowpress? i'm thinking maybe the diamond edge sb-1??
Thank you so much and thanks for watching! I wasn't able to get my hands on a custom set of strings, but from my experience, that would definitely help with the bow's major issues. In regards to the draw length adjustment, for the specific draw length that I wanted, the screws would be sitting behind the limbs. This meant that I had to put it in the press to put the screws in the correct place. I hope this answers your questions!
Bought this bow to rebuild a Damaged shoulder. I can turn The poundage way down if Indeed to and then gradually Turn it back up to strengthen My shoulder. Every single Screw Allen or otherwise came Loose on the one I bought. After locktite and effort it Finally settled down. I'm Back to shooting my PSE At 55 lbs. Soo..... it's a real Bow. Great trainer.
Is it an X at 10:30???? YES! Take it from a long range (mile +) rifle shooter! When I score NRA 1,000 yard F-Class matches, I have to score the bullet holes in the similar paper targets, and some bullets are smaller diameter than those X23's which range from .363 - .420, where I can see bullet diameter as small as 6mm (.23). That shot crossed the X line!!!!
Also, I took it out last year for the first time, and shot a spike buck at 10 yards. The bow had about a 35 lb draw weight, and I double lunged the deer, the arrow stopping in the opposite shoulder. It’s a deer killing machine, in the right hands.
Samuel thanks for this video. I'm thinking of starting with compound bow archery and am wondering if I could start with a budget around 400 dollar. I do not have any ambitions and it's just for shooting 3d and target at a range or garden. (I've got a 40 year old recurve bow which I shoot occasionally). I hope you are able to evaluate bows like the PSE, Stinger/Drive and or Bear Cruzer. Starting bows with serieus specs from leading brands. By the way absolutely no issue watching your whole video. Will certainly watch your next one.
Thank you so much! I'll see what I can do! A ton of people have asked for me to do the PSE Stinger Extreme so that might be what's next. You definitely can start with a $400 budget, as long as you try it out before hand. I hope this helps!
I shoot the bear authority.. It's a tack driver at 60lbs and looks pretty sweet.. It was bear's lower end compounds that came iin ready to hunt packages.. It has a better look to it than the bear cruzer, even though the cruzer is the newer replacement for it..
I've kind of been obsessing over what bow to buy, as it will likely be the only one I get for a decade. I appreciate this vid. It confirms what I (a decent archer who's been shooting a 15 year old bow) assumed, which is that with proper form, consistency, and commitment any decent bow can hit the X. Makes me less worried about buying a hunting bow (I have to use the same bow for hunting and local 3D comps).
Hey I'm buying my first bow once my deployment finishes. I was going to purchase this bow prior to the video with hesitation and reluctance. Now I'm going to purchase with the knowledge of what to expect and what to look for in the following upgrade. After I learn the fundamentals and plateau, I will inquire about online coaching. Thanks for the honest review!
I think that would definitely be a good investment. 1 thing that I noticed with this bow was it was really tough to tune since the strings and cables wouldn't stop stretching (they did over time, but it took a while). The timing would also change slightly depending on temperature which is a huge negative. If you invested in higher quality strings, these shouldn't be much of a problem. I hope this helps, thank you for watching!
The problem is, the same people that buy these bows are the same people who don't know a clue about proper tuning, and bows like these are typically bought from big box stores, where you cant properly get them tuned. So crappy bows will still shoot crappy most of the time :/ Not so much as the bows fault, but you have to realize the target audience here. Also, I would love to see you try and shoot the bow as accurately with just stock accessories, as that's a more realistic use case I would think. Overall, great video, cheers mate!
Thank you, I really appreciate it! You're exactly right and that's what I wanted to convey in this video. A crappy bow isn't as crappy as people think. But only if they put in the time and effort into tuning, practice, etc. Thanks for watching!
Ha, ha! "Wow you made it this far into the video", well this was a fun yet educational video. Great video as always, great professionalism, keep up the good work!!
That's probably the best score anyone has put up with a Diamond anything. I thought you were going to get a 300 on the last game. Did the string stretch? Did the timing change during the testing? Remember that you are a pro. and as a pro you are capable of tuning far beyond most archers. You mentioned several times how difficult it was to tune. What were the problems? Did you try it as a true beginner style rig? Short stab., pin sight, etc. I'd be curious to know how it shot for you that way, as hat's how it is most likely to be used. The footage from JOAD class at Tanglewood brought back some memories for sure. That old Hoyt was almost a big as you were. Keep up the good work.
Hahaha thanks Ray! I was really going for that 300, but the bow couldn't seem to hold steady enough. The bow wouldn't let me use any back tension to help it settle down so I just had to let it float until it went in the middle. The strings definitely did stretch while tuning and I made sure to put a ton of arrows through it before getting it fully setup. I wouldn't be surprised if the string stretched during actual practice. The timing would change depending on the temperature so that could have been a part of the issue. During tuning, the main issue was the timing because of the strings stretching and the other issue was nock travel. After messing with the bow for a while, I got it into shape, but it was pretty time consuming. I did not try it as a true beginner style rig, that would have been a really good test to try though. In the raw video of the Tanglewood footage, I can actually hear you speaking in the background. It's a neat little throw back and I'm really glad that we filmed back then. Thank you so much!
What? No Way- Everyone knows the more money you drop, the more success you'll have, it's the American way ( insert heavy sarcasm here). THANKS for your time and effort making this vid👍I really enjoyed it, and even learned a little about the target world. I just hunt and practice, but with a "target" bow, PSE Phenom DC. I'd like to see a PSE Drive, and or Stinger review, and yes watched till the end.
This guys knowledge and experience made it possible to bring this bow up to its potential. But remember that this is a production bow to get people in the woods ie. Hunting and to the range at a reasonable cost I shot a high country bow I bought fairly new at the flea market set it up just like this guy and did well anyway thumbs up to this guy on skill and knowledge looking forward to seeing more of this kind of video
Thanks mate. Great vid. I just bought one for myself and the kids. I have no idea how to "tune" a bow so i will be looking for vids soon as it gets delivered. Again, great video and i reckon you gave it a fair go. Thanks from aussie :)
I own a 2021 infinite edge pro. I don't know if they made some major changes or what, but my bow doesn't have the problems you described. A major difference is I am shooting 70 pounds (max weight of the bow), and it has a very solid back wall for me (admittedly it is not what you would see in say an elite remedy). I also upgraded the strings on top of shooting max draw weight. I have been shooting for over 38 years. I shoot back tension with a thumb release. with horrible walmart arrows with disgustingly soft fletching (so soft might as well be shooting bare shafts), a situation soon to change as soon as my element arrows show up tomorrow, I am able to shoot 6 inch groups at 70 yards (majority of the 7 arrow group inside 4 inches, not too shabby for a basically blind guy that just sees a white square at 70 yards). I have this bow because I am poor. That said this bow is extremely capable as a hunting bow. I do hunt with it. I would not attempt a shot past 40 yards with any bow. I am saving up to get an Elite Remedy. I also have higher end accessories on my bow so it is far from stock. I do bullseye 70 yards also with it. I'm also shooting an 18 inch hurricane storm bag with a 6 inch ring set in the center and a two inch bullseye. With quality arrows my grouping will improve, and with contacts so I can see everything should improve. Any way point is I have not experience any of the downfalls you have described with my bow, and even though it is not an Elite I love my bow. Even when I do get my Elite Remedy I will keep shooting this bow also assuming I don't pass it down to one of my kids.
I started shooting and archery hunting in the '80s and the equipment we have today is far superior to what we had back then, before cam bows. My second bow was one of the first cam bows, a Martin Golden Eagle. After about 10 years of not shooting I pulled it down off the wall and started shooting again. At this point my eye sight, in my right eye, had gone from 20/70 to 20/200. Being a right handed shooter I decided I needed all the technological advantage I could get for hunting with a bow. After weeks of research I ended up buying a Diamond The Rock, from Hunter's Friend. It was a $600.00 complete package deal which included the bow, decent sights and rest, a cheap but good release, six arrows and a hard case. This bow has served me very well, it's quiet and very accurate. If I have a game tag, I practice my arrow placement, virtually every day until hunting season rolls around. You most certainly do not have to spend a lot of money to shoot well. One of the young guys at work that I hunt with, always buys the best fastest hunting bow, expensive sights, 20/20 vision, pulls 70 pounds vs my 60 pounds and can shoot out to 80 yards pretty well. His bow cost about twice as much as my entire bow package cost. One day during Antelope season, we were practicing on a 3-D Deer target at 30 yards. We shot to see who could get their five arrows into the target the quickest and most accurate...guess who one that? Me!
I started shooting local tournaments when I was 16 with a bear whitetail 2. Lol. Placed or won several. All about how much time you are willing to spend with the bow.
I'd love to see a video overview of how you tuned this bow -- I'm a noob starting out on this bow and want to learn more about how everything works and what to look for on that front
Thanks so much for this video. I recently started back into archery after a 30+ year hiatus and my old 1983 Bear "Brown Bear" compound bow was just not cutting it, so I started looking for a budget compound bow. Unfortunately, almost all the videos relate to hunting, so it was great to see a dedicated target shooter review. I was looking at something cheaper (Gen-X), but this convinced me to spend a little more.
You Da Man! I was waiting for so long for someone to make this move. And also to take a 300 bucks bow with cheap accessories and arrows into the woods and hunt the shit out of everything what moves on the North American Continent. Great vid Samuel. Courageous move. Diamond,...I mean Bowtech will never get back to you. They need to sale their flagship bows. They advertise this bow if I'm not mistaking as a cheap but decent recreational bow.
The Diamond Infinite Edge Pro is able to be adjusted (draw weight and draw length) without a bow press. Here is a link on how to adjust the draw length without a bow press. Not sure why you had to use all the fancy tools to do this, rather then showing the viewers how simple it is to adjust? The video is - How to adjust draw length on a Diamond Infinite Edge Pro black ops - ruclips.net/video/OqouIO8nYBw/видео.html. I just googled the bow name and how to adjust the draw length. Now not everyone has a bow press or all the other fancy tools to set their bows up. That is why allot of the bow companies have gone to making their bows adjustable without the need for bow presses or other tools (just need an allen wrench or two). All one needs to do is read the information when they open their bow up and it will tell you if you can do it yourself or you need to go to the archery shop for help. Just an observation.
Hey man! Sometimes the module screws can hide behind the limbs like it did in the video. It forced me to pressed the bow so I can rotate the cams to reach the screws. If you don't have a press, I recommend having someone partially draw the bow as it's laying on a table, and then you can remove the screws. I hope that helps!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery speaking of which, do you know how i could source a replacement cam screw for an older diamond? had one fall out on a whitetail hunt.
Nice job. Theres alot of truth to what you said about tuning and practice with what you shoot, and overall ability. Some people just cant shoot straight no matter what , and spending over $1000 on a bow wont make them any better. Then again, theres always " that guy," who shows up with a recurve made of PVC with a string made from weed trimmer cord or something that just outshoots everyone. Thanks for proving what those of us on a tight budget have been saying for years. I'll take skill and practice over luck anyday. Great video, I'll be watching for the next " cheap bow" review.
Thanks for posting this video and yes watched all 20:51 mins I got this same bow 2 months ago, as I am a total novice at 46 yrs old. Your dead on it takes alot of tuning glad my coach /bow tech is patient. Lol. I do have one question we both have the same draw length and weight. What grain and spine arrows are you using. Again thanks for the great video. Looking forward to new videos and going through your older ones.
Thank you so much! I used Easton X23s 2315's at 29" (shaft to shaft) with 200 grain points. I did paper tune, but I never arrow tuned (play with different point weights and shaft lengths). I just grabbed some arrows out of my basement and set them up for the bow. I would make sure to play around with it haha. Hopefully this helps!
The only reason a piece of equipment fails our test... Our own inability to perform with the gear... " garbage in... Garbage out"... True every time! Practice with your gear properly n it will return a good yield everytime! Been shooting since 1957... Some selfmade bows, some production gear... All the same! Came down to consistent style of shooting and practice! Just my humble opinion !
I have shot recurves for the majority of my time in archery, my dad had bought me an older fellas old Diamond outlaw, once i grew strong enough to shoot it, i did and i loved it until i had an arrow come out of the string as i released it. Considering its age i decided to put it in storage for later on and decided to buy myself a infinite 305. After shooting an arrow into my neighbors shed i hot it dialed in and i love it
I will most definitely be speaking with you soon . I’m new to archery but have found that I really like it more then most hobbies. And also even as a beginner I find that I’m shooting better then some of my friends that have been doing it for longer. And I hope to eventually do some competition and hunting with it . I always strive to be the best at anything I try . I’m kinda of OCD about that . Anyway great video and look forward to maybe getting you to coach me soon . Waiting on my shoulder to heel I got to aggressive with turning the poundage up on my bow and ended up hurting my self moving to much to fast ..
Awesome, I look forward to hearing from you! Archery is extremely addicting, just a warning, haha! Make sure you're fully healed up before you start shooting again. It would suck to jump back into it a little bit too soon and then re-injure yourself. Better to be safe than sorry! I'll always be here ready to coach you haha so there is no rush.
Thank you so much! Right there I'm shooting a Truball HT Pro which is my favorite back tension release. As you can tell in the video, I like to use it with 2 fingers.
This is exactly why I keep my head in the sand about bows. I've been hunting the same cheap bear compound I bought used in 2009 and it's killed a blacktail every year since. It was 60 bucks. Hell I watched my buddy carve a osage stick bow and take an elk last year, I don't even think his bow has a rest.
Take this into consideration. I have not shot much lately,however the modern compounds are like modern full suspension mtn bikes. The technology has come so far that the bang for your buck is really great. The let off and adjustability of these bows is amazing. You could not get the zip out of a 80+ lb bow that a 65 lb. bow will shoot now. Looks like you could stand to take all of those antennas off your bow and learn to shoot without that junk then put it back on after a few months. Great video! Good luck with your shooting and competitions.
You dont need expensive gear to be good. Bought a sanlida dragon x8 aka the amazon special which was $200 for the full kit and made in china and its a great bow. Fills me with pride when i shoot better than all the buyhards with their Mathews bows and $20 a pop goldtip airstrike arrows. My whole set up (bow, arrows, releases, sight,rest, etc) probably under $400 and I'm still one of the better archers at the range with only 2 months of shooting experience too. The bow is quiet, has a smooth drawcycle, solid backwall, and is super consistent. Not to mention, it's pretty much completley self serviceable. Adjustable from 0-70lbs through the limb screw and you just need to loosen and adjust 2 screws in the cams to change draw legnth. Cam timing was spot on out the box, string was already stretched and there's little to no cam lean on it. After buying some cheap levels and using the rope limb screw trick to find my center shot i didn't even bother paper tuning. They fly so perfectly straight that i can't even see them once they go flying unless i get just the right lighting.
I just bought my first compound bow used on eBay. $200- 2023 diamond edge max. It was only used a couple times before the guy hurt himself. I know he's telling the truth because I had already purchased it with no refunds allowed when we started a conversation about the history of the bow.
Just goes to show how the big companies control the markets and attitudes. A little old guy sitting in a hut gluing buffalo horn and animal tendons to bamboo, made the best bow in history!!. Great video more informaitve than you know.
I took my first deer, a 7 pointer, at 35 yards 6 weeks after picking up a bow for the first time in my life (and spending many hours at the range). That bow was a Diamond Infinite Edge Pro. They're great, but they're going to need a lot of tuning if you shoot a lot. However, it's the best starter bow out there hands down.
What's impressive about this is that bow is in no way shape or form a target bow. It's a starter hunting bow. You could argue that there's no difference but there is....
Most competition shoots are six arrows, a full shoot being 144 arrows the mean score is an average of the whole shoot. Before using a compound bow shoot with a recurve and get your score up with that, it will improve your ability at constant shooting and the shoot at 90 meters for at least 50 x 90 meters shoots. Then move on to compound. All this will improve your shoulderblade muscles and make the 144 arrow shot easy to do. To really find out if you have mastered the bow try shooting bear bow that really is a game changer.
I grabbed a stinger a few weeks ago with a nice release and arrows for $80. Shoots great. I've been out of bow shooting and hunting for well over a decade now. Today I'm grabbing one of those 45/60 vortex that I've seen around. Pretty sure it's going to be a disposal-bow but we'll see. 65 bucks new with a new ameristep outhouse blind also nib.
i agree, but to a certain point, more expensive bows do have better technology, its just more reliable to shoot a higher end bow, can you accuratly shoot and hunt with a cheap bow? absolutely. can you be JUST as accurate as you would with a premium bow? realistically no, but only people like competitive shooters would know this difference. i also agree with the attachments comment, the bow is going to shoot how it shoots, how the archer sights that target has no bearing on the performance of the bow. very well thought out review!
Wish I could afford a $300 dollar bow. I'm having to use an $80 dollar bow (leader accessories) 55#. I still think it is a great bow for target practice.
I'm with you brother. 300 for a bare bow is not cheap to me lol. I'm not a competitive shooter so I don't have a reason. The pse stinger shoots nice and found it for $80 used with arrows, release and broadheads.
you can kill an elk with a bow carved from a piece of wood or a PVC bow. With enough practice you can use any decent bow for hunting. Clay Hayes 6 year old son killed a 90lb pig with a 20lb self bow. ruclips.net/video/uyw_zt3pn9E/видео.html
I saw feather fletching and was thinking "You can get a pretty good recurve or longbow for $300, obviously yes" and then I realized he was talking about compounds.
Id like you to test out the Hoyt Powermax.... hoys version of a budget bow! Im going to get one soon, first bow, new to archery and bowhunting, but research pointed me to the Powermax.... thanks for the content!!!
Nice video man , great editing , as for bows just go all out , get trads , olympic recurvers , hunting compounds and test them if you want , you have the form , would be interesting to see the transfer to traditional, as for compounds I think in a week you can get almost any bow and get 300/300. Maybe try and get 300/300 with broadheads on your hunting bow if you got one :)
Thank you so much! I agree, it was pretty rough to tune and it's quite confusing. It takes some time, but it shoots pretty well for a super low price haha. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you very much for the great vid! As a rifle hunter who is dipping his toe into bow hunting, this helps me out tremendously in my research for my 1st hunting bow. This vid by no means takes Diamond out of the picture, just gives me a little more info into what i should consider when i make my descision. Also, trying to keep to a budget bow setup. Keep up the good work!
Excellent video. I would love to see a similar review of the PSE carbon stealth 35, because has two drawbacks for target shooting: is extremely light and lacks rear screw for stabilizer (albeit that can be corrected with modular stabs).
Before you say you don't recommend a bow for hunting consider this. About 90% of archery kills are taken within 20 yards. From a stand your kill zone is about an 8-inch circle. You just proved that this bow is more then enough for hunting. Also keep in mind most hunters prefer a soft wall. If you have to hold you draw in a stand for more than a couple of seconds having a bow that doesn't snap forward on the slightest release of pressure is a good thing. You have to remember that comp archery setups are completely different from hunting setups. What is good for one is not always good for the other.
True, that would have been pretty epic! It wouldn't have been easy to hold steady, but that would have been a really good test to try, haha. True, I just didn't want to bore people with my tuning process, but tuning videos are on their way soon! Thanks for watching
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Comment what bow you want to see next! Who watched all 20 minutes?
PSE STINGER EXTREME, I watched the full 20.
@@cadenjones5449 Definitely! Heck yeah, thanks for watching! 🤘
I did
Good shooting Whizzy hehe
20 min. and click on like and coaching web site.
I would like to see you compare your Mathews to Prime CT9, to see if we can get you to switch ;) In my opinion those two are basically same design (long riser, short limbs) with better price and cam on Prime
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I like how this kid is an actual dedicated Archer and not just some "Brand Snob" all about the highest dollar amount. Well done
You will have that when archers or hunters are sponsored by a company.They have to sell to us what the company pays them to
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
I worked in a bow shop for 3 years. I set up and sold hundreds of this exact bow. Part of our sales pitch was that this bow would do well for nearly anyone. I would trust this bow from anything from squirrels to moose.
Competitive Archer: that was a bad shot... went way to the right...
Deer Hunter: huh?
15:12, Pro tip I learned in the military. Use index marks on EVERYTHING. Take a sharpie or map marker (they should come off with hand sanitizer but test first) that way if anything comes moves accidentally or intentionally you have a reference to get it back quickly. I recommend you use map markers with a super fine tip, that way you get the most accurate index mark. For the sake of clarity, an index mark for those who dont know is just a drawn line on a non moving part of the weapon system and a corresponding line that is on a moving part of it. You just make both lines "line up" and you know they are set back to the original location. examples include sights, rests, stabilizers and grips
Great advice
"not recommend for a hunter"............. not sure what your recommendation criteria is for hunting, something where longbows and recurves are still used.
This bow is tiny, compact, light 'enough, comfortable fall-off for long holds, and if you shorten your draw length one notch you can pull firmly into the wall and take away 99% of the "sponginess", and it shoots over 315fps with my setup - I've taken a dozen deer, two elk and dozens of boar in the time I have had it - and I have the original Edge.
For tree hunting, ground blinds, and brush blinds, its great, small, and on-the-cheap setup.
Thanks 🙏
I've had the Infinite Edge Pro since 2015 and have killed tons of deer with it, all on public land. Just had my first ever string replacement last month, and it is back to being like a brand new bow and my back wall is still solid as a rock. I use it with the Apex Gear AG2301GB 1 dot Covert Pro power dot sight and it's a deadly combo.
Thanks for this comment im looking to get my first compound bow for hunting this year and im really liking the reviews for this bow
Same I’ve taken dozen off deer with it over the past few years
Ya confused why it can shoot almost 300 score but not good enough for hunting.
I have bows ranging from 150$ to 600$. The thing i noticed is that it doesnt matter if you shoot a cheap or expensive bow but I do recommend quality accessories. Because i notice the cheaper accessories tend to get lose while shooting while the more expensive ones dont.
My advise is to invest in accessories and safe money on the bow itself. You can always upgrade the bow and use the same accessories.
to someone that isn't familiar to the sport, this video speaks volumes to the importance of form and technique while shedding light on how little the sport relies on equipment. Equipment can make things more consistent and even convenient, but its repetition and consistency that matter in the world of archery. great video, you have my subscribe and thumbs up :)
Thank you so much Jon! You're completely right. Companies prefer people to believe that the brand name is everything, but in reality if you put in enough effort, you will see the results.
I have a Diamond Infinite compound. Been using it every weekend since 2013 with no problems.
What kind of tuning has it needed over the years? Any noticeable string stretching?
Same. Got one for Christmas when I was about 11 and now am fifteen. Never did anything to it except adjust sights, poundage, and draw length. Never even put a stabilizer on it.
Great video. It's cool to see a pro style archer using some inexpensive bows and being able to talk about them. This was a down to earth humble review that I really enjoyed watching. Great content.
Many years ago I was told I would never shoot worth a damn because I had a Bear Whitetail 2. (from a competition shooter) Months later and a lot of practice I was holding my own against the best shooters in the club and won a few 3d shoots. Then I started to upgrade my equipment as money would allow. Its a great sport and can put food on the table to boot.
I had 2 white tail 2s. One for competition. One for hunting. Matched up shot for shot eith a buddy who had a diamond. Then again with his mathews. I miss those bows.
I've shot from cheap to high-end bows. It's the Indian, not the bow. Good stuff only makes it a little better.
Amen
Its the Indian, not the Bow...I LOVE IT!!!
Cheap LOL I shoot a single cam bear Wild I get one inch groupings at 20 yards so I can't complain but you want to shoot a cheap bow step into that one but a great video very informative you're quite the shot keep up the good work
Wow, way to be racist AF. So many cultures used bow and arrow, not just the indigenous American which you ignorantly called “indians” like the killer columbus did.
@@Fausto_4841 Wow, I didn't know snowflakes watch these types of shows.
Wake up and climb out of the rock. The phrase wasn't invented by me. Its a phrase said throughout the generations. lol. Snowflakes melts away.
Good, honest video.
Assuming that the draw length was already by chance good for the buyer, that bow is right out the box plenty accurate and dependable enough to go hunting and kill a deer. All's it would require is a couple of hours of tweaking and practice for the individual and that's it.
Lotta very, very expensive bows on the market but to be honest they're no better for the average deer hunting situation than that bow.
$300 budget?!? Aight I'm gonna head out!
You can turn a $100 bow into a compatition bow. Don't believe everything people say. It's the shooter that makes the Archer.
A better now doesn't make it any funner either.
I much prefer traditional style bows and if you get fibreglass ones they can be like $75 and like $20 shipping. If you want to see some look for a channel called armin hirmer and a site called alibow
Get a recurve, more skill involved and much cheaper, and the take downs are awesome and convenient. Plus if you're good with a recurve, you're great with a compound....
Im 12 and im about to buy one of these... this is very cheap for a compound bow
@@offthetrails4799 Get the Edge 320
I like the "Lucky" hat. Utah company started by an associate of mine.
Thanks for showing that it's about proper technique, not so much the equipment.
Haha, I love that hat! Thank you so much!
The guy makes honest, good videos you got to give him a thumbs up.
Thank you so much man! I really appreciate it
Great video. Thanks for doing this. Very entertaining.
Only minor “issue” I had was how quickly you said no to it being a hunting bow.
Your opinion is your opinion and I’m not dogging on you but it seems bizarre that you’d do this test which essentially “proved” archery is more about good practice, proper form, and a good mindset than having the best bow on the market but turn around and say the IEP couldn’t be a hunting bow.
I know about the string stretch and the back wall being a little squishy but in the right hands, this is a stone cold deer killer.
Thank you so much! You're exactly right. Haha, I've had to explain this so many times 😂. This bow can be an absolute monster in the right hands. Why I say that I wouldn't recommend it as a beginner hunting bow is because the weaknesses are too major for a beginner. It would be super easy to injure an animal if the archer lacked experience and was hunting with the stock bow. I never want that to happen. If the archer is willing to put in the time and effort into tuning and form, this bow will be killer. I know the majority of archers don't have the time nor the resources to be able to super tune the bow and change their form to be as accurate as possible. That's why I wouldn't exactly recommend it as a beginner hunting bow. I hope this makes sense! Thanks for watching!
Can you reccomend a good cheap compound for a beginning hunter? I am in the market and I have gone down the rabbit hole and everything was pointing toward this diamond until I see this comment haha. I am willing to go up to 500ish for budget
@@traesdb11 What's up man! Thanks for watching by the way. In regards to your question, the Diamond Infinite Edge is a solid bow if you can put in the time to practice with it. And since it is under your budget, this allows you to buy custom strings which I highly recommend that you do (The stock strings that come with the diamond are not that great). I believe this will help you a lot in improving accuracy. If you're thinking about going with a different bow, I'd recommend that you go to your local archery shop and try out the bows in your budget. When testing these bows, focus on the grip, draw cycle, and any other factors that may be important to you (ie. speed, vibration, etc). I hope this helps and let me know if you have anymore questions! My email is always open as well: samuelwhitearchery@gmail.com
Thank you tons for the response man I really appreciate it. I Will for sure keep that in mind and I'm glad it isnt disqualified :) Keep up the great content. I just subscribed last night so I look forward to it all.
@@SamuelWhiteArchery the archery store where I live just recommended me this bow as an amateur hunting bow 🙄
Excellent and honest video about the bow. It was awesome when you thanked your viewers for their time. Thank YOU for spending several days to test the bow and provide us with valuable information.
I just found this channel, love the editing, bows, shooting, but most importantly your amazing happy go lucky attitude! Keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for such a late response, I just saw this comment! Thank you so much!
My family and friends all bought this bow a few years back and came across this... this bow is awesome and amazing to use in the field
That's really awesome! Yeah, I was extremely surprised by it's performance for such a relatively low price. Thanks for watching Thomas!
Love it! My 8yo without lessons was doing great with this bow. Stock out of the box. Thanks for the review!
That's amazing! Thanks for watching!
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I know I'm coming into this really late but as an avid Montana hunter I use this bow as my "practice" bow throughout the year as I can adjust the weight down far enough that I don't get fatigue from long practice sessions simply to keep my muscles in shape. For hunting I shoot a Bowtech BTX 31 set to 70 pounds which is putting my arrows down range at over 320 FPS. That said, back to the point, the Infinite Edge is a fantastic bow for just having fun with the kids and keeping you in shape for hunting season and it's a good backup bow to keep at Elk camp just in case your primary bow has problems.
My dad bought one of the first infinite edges years ago and fell in love, I just recently bought the edge pro and got it tuned up within 1 hour and grouping within 1/4 in
The diamond edge sb1 is the first bow I ever shot. And got me addicted a little over two years ago. Loved it. The two bowes are very similar. I adjust it back and forth for myself and my kids. To get someone new to try archery this is a grate bow for that. I shot it at 25 inch 70 lb and my kid at 22 inch and about 20 lb. And only takes a couple min to swap it.
I have the Diamond Razor Edge that came out way before the Infinite Edge. Slayed a buck a year since I got it. It’s maxed out at 60lbs. I named it “Tags” cause I fill them every year! I want to get one with a heavier draw weight but Tags never disappoints.
Awesome video, I love bow tech bows, personally they are my favorite. The only thing that gets me is the idea that a $300.00 bow is considered as a budget bow. I have made osage orange, ash, oak, hazel, hickory, and sycamore bows of high poundage, perfect for hunting and they last a really long time if well taken care of. Some last longer than others and some last a lifetime. Yes there is a major difference between the different types of bows but the main purpose is it's a hunting tool, to place an obscene price on it is ridiculous in my opinion, how much does one think it's worth is the question opposed to the quality and how good and effective the product is itself. I completely understand the "you get what you pay for" concept but when bows reach to the thousands of dollars in price and the only difference is the name that is written on it, that is more like "make me rich suckers" status, not this is a high quality bow and worth your hard earned money. The actual cost to engineer a good, solid, workable, and high quality bow for just one person is very expensive however in a production line punched out thousand daily starts cutting the price of production to extremely minimal cost thus $300 to even $400 dollars is a solid fair price for a compound bow making the budget bow term more like $75 to $150 not $300 as it is so commonly said nowadays.
I have three kids in the JOAD program so can't afford target bows. I purchased one of these new off of craigslist for $165. My daughter shoot this in Vegas and Cincinnati last year. She has been flirting with olympian for 2 years shooting 280's (with the original strings) shooting 2315 Eastons with 125 grain (i think) tips. I love watching her beat the cocky $1000 bow shooters. More than just a starter bow. It will perform well until your budger allows for that target bow to put you up to the top.
That's awesome! I always love seeing budget bows beat down on the crazy expensive competition bows, haha! I wish her luck on getting that Olympian pin! Thanks for watching
Matt Skindzier glad to hear it. I just bought this bow the other day. I had a good day yesterday with it. Shot around 100 arrows total throughout the day. I’m brand new to archery and am having a heck of a time getting my sight right. Aside from the accuracy I should have at 20 yards, it’s got a great amount of power and a very smooth shot. I’ve got more tinkering to do with the sight but overall I’m very happy with it.
Wow! I am thinking about starting archery as a hobby and researching info from RUclips. You just saved me a bunch of grief knowing that the equipment, properly tuned, can perform well. Thank you for making this video!
Now this is quality content!!!! Not some stroke me off to the latest flagship!!!! Very very well done! What would make a fantastic follow-up video is a step-by-step tuning of this bow. And other budget bows. Lots of dads out there purchasing these for their kids to start out! Happy to subscribe!!
Thanks for the phone coaching today. I feel like you got my back and i am ready to crush my target panic. ty
No problem, I'm glad I was able to help! You'll be crushing it in no time
Good job. You are amazing to watch shoot. I am not nearly as accurate as you. Thank you for doing this. This will help a lot of people who are scared from catalog prices. The tuning required, most people like myself just aren't qualified to do or have access to equipment to do it with.
I have went to traditional recurve which can get started even cheaper.
Thank you so much! Very true!
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Excellent video!! I have been preaching that with proper form, a fabulous score can be achieved with an Infinite Edge, Fuel, Convergence, etc. You proved it very well!!
great video and yes, i did watch it 'til the end! hey, i got 2 questions. one is early on you mentioned that the string/cables were cheap. wondering if you ever swapped those out for better quality and did that help with the issues you mentioned toward the end (ie, starting off great with all "X's" and ending up with more "9's" towards the end. also having to mess with the tuning almost throughout the sessions). 2nd question is your adjustments required a bowpress. didn't i see somewhere that the diamond line allows for adjustments without the need for a bowpress? i'm thinking maybe the diamond edge sb-1??
Thank you so much and thanks for watching! I wasn't able to get my hands on a custom set of strings, but from my experience, that would definitely help with the bow's major issues. In regards to the draw length adjustment, for the specific draw length that I wanted, the screws would be sitting behind the limbs. This meant that I had to put it in the press to put the screws in the correct place. I hope this answers your questions!
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Is it an X at 10:30???? YES! Take it from a long range (mile +) rifle shooter! When I score NRA 1,000 yard F-Class matches, I have to score the bullet holes in the similar paper targets, and some bullets are smaller diameter than those X23's which range from .363 - .420, where I can see bullet diameter as small as 6mm (.23). That shot crossed the X line!!!!
Also, I took it out last year for the first time, and shot a spike buck at 10 yards. The bow had about a 35 lb draw weight, and I double lunged the deer, the arrow stopping in the opposite shoulder. It’s a deer killing machine, in the right hands.
where are you that 35lb is acceptable cause almost everywhere in Canada and the US, 40lb is the minimum draw weight for hunting.
Samuel thanks for this video. I'm thinking of starting with compound bow archery and am wondering if I could start with a budget around 400 dollar. I do not have any ambitions and it's just for shooting 3d and target at a range or garden. (I've got a 40 year old recurve bow which I shoot occasionally). I hope you are able to evaluate bows like the PSE, Stinger/Drive and or Bear Cruzer. Starting bows with serieus specs from leading brands. By the way absolutely no issue watching your whole video. Will certainly watch your next one.
Thank you so much! I'll see what I can do! A ton of people have asked for me to do the PSE Stinger Extreme so that might be what's next. You definitely can start with a $400 budget, as long as you try it out before hand. I hope this helps!
I shoot a diamond sb-1 edge and it's perfect
I shoot the bear authority.. It's a tack driver at 60lbs and looks pretty sweet.. It was bear's lower end compounds that came iin ready to hunt packages.. It has a better look to it than the bear cruzer, even though the cruzer is the newer replacement for it..
Please do a series on Bow tuning. Not paper or french tuning but actual adjustments to cam systems and or strings
Will do! Videos coming soon. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video. Just what I needed since I am getting back into archery after a 40yr hiatus. Hope to see you at the range.
I've kind of been obsessing over what bow to buy, as it will likely be the only one I get for a decade. I appreciate this vid. It confirms what I (a decent archer who's been shooting a 15 year old bow) assumed, which is that with proper form, consistency, and commitment any decent bow can hit the X. Makes me less worried about buying a hunting bow (I have to use the same bow for hunting and local 3D comps).
Hey I'm buying my first bow once my deployment finishes. I was going to purchase this bow prior to the video with hesitation and reluctance. Now I'm going to purchase with the knowledge of what to expect and what to look for in the following upgrade. After I learn the fundamentals and plateau, I will inquire about online coaching. Thanks for the honest review!
Definitely need to see some more bow review videos!!! Anything coming soon?
I'll try to get some out as soon as I can. Thanks for watching! Are there any specific bows that you want to see?
Just bought an infinite edge pro today. September will be my first time deer hunting with a bow.
Heck yeah! Good luck and thank you for watching!
I shot a 1994 Martin cougar for many years competing. Tuned correctly, good arrow set up, and muscle control. They will all work as they are intended.
Do you think upgrading to higher end strings and cables would have any benefits? What would they be?
I think that would definitely be a good investment. 1 thing that I noticed with this bow was it was really tough to tune since the strings and cables wouldn't stop stretching (they did over time, but it took a while). The timing would also change slightly depending on temperature which is a huge negative. If you invested in higher quality strings, these shouldn't be much of a problem. I hope this helps, thank you for watching!
Vaportrail VTX strings do the trick. They set in 7 shots.
The problem is, the same people that buy these bows are the same people who don't know a clue about proper tuning, and bows like these are typically bought from big box stores, where you cant properly get them tuned. So crappy bows will still shoot crappy most of the time :/ Not so much as the bows fault, but you have to realize the target audience here. Also, I would love to see you try and shoot the bow as accurately with just stock accessories, as that's a more realistic use case I would think. Overall, great video, cheers mate!
Thank you, I really appreciate it! You're exactly right and that's what I wanted to convey in this video. A crappy bow isn't as crappy as people think. But only if they put in the time and effort into tuning, practice, etc. Thanks for watching!
Ha, ha! "Wow you made it this far into the video", well this was a fun yet educational video. Great video as always, great professionalism, keep up the good work!!
Hahaha thank you so much man!
That's probably the best score anyone has put up with a Diamond anything. I thought you were going to get a 300 on the last game. Did the string stretch? Did the timing change during the testing? Remember that you are a pro. and as a pro you are capable of tuning far beyond most archers. You mentioned several times how difficult it was to tune. What were the problems? Did you try it as a true beginner style rig? Short stab., pin sight, etc. I'd be curious to know how it shot for you that way, as hat's how it is most likely to be used.
The footage from JOAD class at Tanglewood brought back some memories for sure. That old Hoyt was almost a big as you were. Keep up the good work.
Hahaha thanks Ray! I was really going for that 300, but the bow couldn't seem to hold steady enough. The bow wouldn't let me use any back tension to help it settle down so I just had to let it float until it went in the middle. The strings definitely did stretch while tuning and I made sure to put a ton of arrows through it before getting it fully setup. I wouldn't be surprised if the string stretched during actual practice. The timing would change depending on the temperature so that could have been a part of the issue. During tuning, the main issue was the timing because of the strings stretching and the other issue was nock travel. After messing with the bow for a while, I got it into shape, but it was pretty time consuming. I did not try it as a true beginner style rig, that would have been a really good test to try though. In the raw video of the Tanglewood footage, I can actually hear you speaking in the background. It's a neat little throw back and I'm really glad that we filmed back then. Thank you so much!
What? No Way- Everyone knows the more money you drop, the more success you'll have, it's the American way ( insert heavy sarcasm here). THANKS for your time and effort making this vid👍I really enjoyed it, and even learned a little about the target world. I just hunt and practice, but with a "target" bow, PSE Phenom DC. I'd like to see a PSE Drive, and or Stinger review, and yes watched till the end.
Hahahaha! No problem, I'm glad you liked it! A ton of people want to see the Stinger tested so that might be what's next. Thanks for watching!
This guys knowledge and experience made it possible to bring this bow up to its potential. But remember that this is a production bow to get people in the woods ie. Hunting and to the range at a reasonable cost I shot a high country bow I bought fairly new at the flea market set it up just like this guy and did well anyway thumbs up to this guy on skill and knowledge looking forward to seeing more of this kind of video
Thanks mate. Great vid. I just bought one for myself and the kids. I have no idea how to "tune" a bow so i will be looking for vids soon as it gets delivered. Again, great video and i reckon you gave it a fair go. Thanks from aussie :)
I own a 2021 infinite edge pro. I don't know if they made some major changes or what, but my bow doesn't have the problems you described. A major difference is I am shooting 70 pounds (max weight of the bow), and it has a very solid back wall for me (admittedly it is not what you would see in say an elite remedy). I also upgraded the strings on top of shooting max draw weight. I have been shooting for over 38 years. I shoot back tension with a thumb release. with horrible walmart arrows with disgustingly soft fletching (so soft might as well be shooting bare shafts), a situation soon to change as soon as my element arrows show up tomorrow, I am able to shoot 6 inch groups at 70 yards (majority of the 7 arrow group inside 4 inches, not too shabby for a basically blind guy that just sees a white square at 70 yards). I have this bow because I am poor. That said this bow is extremely capable as a hunting bow. I do hunt with it. I would not attempt a shot past 40 yards with any bow. I am saving up to get an Elite Remedy. I also have higher end accessories on my bow so it is far from stock. I do bullseye 70 yards also with it. I'm also shooting an 18 inch hurricane storm bag with a 6 inch ring set in the center and a two inch bullseye. With quality arrows my grouping will improve, and with contacts so I can see everything should improve. Any way point is I have not experience any of the downfalls you have described with my bow, and even though it is not an Elite I love my bow. Even when I do get my Elite Remedy I will keep shooting this bow also assuming I don't pass it down to one of my kids.
I started shooting and archery hunting in the '80s and the equipment we have today is far superior to what we had back then, before cam bows. My second bow was one of the first cam bows, a Martin Golden Eagle. After about 10 years of not shooting I pulled it down off the wall and started shooting again. At this point my eye sight, in my right eye, had gone from 20/70 to 20/200. Being a right handed shooter I decided I needed all the technological advantage I could get for hunting with a bow. After weeks of research I ended up buying a Diamond The Rock, from Hunter's Friend. It was a $600.00 complete package deal which included the bow, decent sights and rest, a cheap but good release, six arrows and a hard case. This bow has served me very well, it's quiet and very accurate. If I have a game tag, I practice my arrow placement, virtually every day until hunting season rolls around. You most certainly do not have to spend a lot of money to shoot well. One of the young guys at work that I hunt with, always buys the best fastest hunting bow, expensive sights, 20/20 vision, pulls 70 pounds vs my 60 pounds and can shoot out to 80 yards pretty well. His bow cost about twice as much as my entire bow package cost. One day during Antelope season, we were practicing on a 3-D Deer target at 30 yards. We shot to see who could get their five arrows into the target the quickest and most accurate...guess who one that? Me!
Just bought a $50 fiberglass recurve, more for traditional shooting not much target practice and ive seriously fell in love with the sport
Tuning and working on your shooting form def help scores more than anybow or equipment can.
Exactly, thanks for watching!
I started shooting local tournaments when I was 16 with a bear whitetail 2. Lol. Placed or won several. All about how much time you are willing to spend with the bow.
Mike Stewart indeed!
A drunk guy gave me a bear whitetail shoulfd i be excited 👀
I'd love to see a video overview of how you tuned this bow -- I'm a noob starting out on this bow and want to learn more about how everything works and what to look for on that front
Thanks so much for this video. I recently started back into archery after a 30+ year hiatus and my old 1983 Bear "Brown Bear" compound bow was just not cutting it, so I started looking for a budget compound bow. Unfortunately, almost all the videos relate to hunting, so it was great to see a dedicated target shooter review. I was looking at something cheaper (Gen-X), but this convinced me to spend a little more.
You Da Man!
I was waiting for so long for someone to make this move. And also to take a 300 bucks bow with cheap accessories and arrows into the woods and hunt the shit out of everything what moves on the North American Continent.
Great vid Samuel. Courageous move. Diamond,...I mean Bowtech will never get back to you. They need to sale their flagship bows. They advertise this bow if I'm not mistaking as a cheap but decent recreational bow.
Thank you so much! Yeah, they definitely won't respond, but I can dream, haha!
Getting back into archery and this had all the info i needed and was presented very well.
The Diamond Infinite Edge Pro is able to be adjusted (draw weight and draw length) without a bow press. Here is a link on how to adjust the draw length without a bow press. Not sure why you had to use all the fancy tools to do this, rather then showing the viewers how simple it is to adjust?
The video is - How to adjust draw length on a Diamond Infinite Edge Pro black ops - ruclips.net/video/OqouIO8nYBw/видео.html. I just googled the bow name and how to adjust the draw length.
Now not everyone has a bow press or all the other fancy tools to set their bows up. That is why allot of the bow companies have gone to making their bows adjustable without the need for bow presses or other tools (just need an allen wrench or two). All one needs to do is read the information when they open their bow up and it will tell you if you can do it yourself or you need to go to the archery shop for help. Just an observation.
Hey man! Sometimes the module screws can hide behind the limbs like it did in the video. It forced me to pressed the bow so I can rotate the cams to reach the screws. If you don't have a press, I recommend having someone partially draw the bow as it's laying on a table, and then you can remove the screws. I hope that helps!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery speaking of which, do you know how i could source a replacement cam screw for an older diamond? had one fall out on a whitetail hunt.
Looking to get back into target shooting again this year. This helps me a lot with a good idea of expected baseline quality in the modern bows.
Nice job. Theres alot of truth to what you said about tuning and practice with what you shoot, and overall ability. Some people just cant shoot straight no matter what , and spending over $1000 on a bow wont make them any better. Then again, theres always " that guy," who shows up with a recurve made of PVC with a string made from weed trimmer cord or something that just outshoots everyone. Thanks for proving what those of us on a tight budget have been saying for years. I'll take skill and practice over luck anyday. Great video, I'll be watching for the next " cheap bow" review.
Thanks for posting this video and yes watched all 20:51 mins
I got this same bow 2 months ago, as I am a total novice at 46 yrs old.
Your dead on it takes alot of tuning glad my coach /bow tech is patient. Lol.
I do have one question we both have the same draw length and weight. What grain and spine arrows are you using.
Again thanks for the great video. Looking forward to new videos and going through your older ones.
Thank you so much! I used Easton X23s 2315's at 29" (shaft to shaft) with 200 grain points. I did paper tune, but I never arrow tuned (play with different point weights and shaft lengths). I just grabbed some arrows out of my basement and set them up for the bow. I would make sure to play around with it haha. Hopefully this helps!
The only reason a piece of equipment fails our test... Our own inability to perform with the gear... " garbage in... Garbage out"... True every time! Practice with your gear properly n it will return a good yield everytime! Been shooting since 1957... Some selfmade bows, some production gear... All the same! Came down to consistent style of shooting and practice! Just my humble opinion !
You're completely right, thanks for watching Bill!
I have shot recurves for the majority of my time in archery, my dad had bought me an older fellas old Diamond outlaw, once i grew strong enough to shoot it, i did and i loved it until i had an arrow come out of the string as i released it. Considering its age i decided to put it in storage for later on and decided to buy myself a infinite 305. After shooting an arrow into my neighbors shed i hot it dialed in and i love it
I will most definitely be speaking with you soon . I’m new to archery but have found that I really like it more then most hobbies.
And also even as a beginner I find that I’m shooting better then some of my friends that have been doing it for longer. And I hope to eventually do some competition and hunting with it . I always strive to be the best at anything I try . I’m kinda of OCD about that . Anyway great video and look forward to maybe getting you to coach me soon . Waiting on my shoulder to heel I got to aggressive with turning the poundage up on my bow and ended up hurting my self moving to much to fast ..
Awesome, I look forward to hearing from you! Archery is extremely addicting, just a warning, haha! Make sure you're fully healed up before you start shooting again. It would suck to jump back into it a little bit too soon and then re-injure yourself. Better to be safe than sorry! I'll always be here ready to coach you haha so there is no rush.
I got mine brand new fully set up for like 430, and it’s amazing
Curious what release is that you're using at 2:38. Nice Vids! Most unbiased reviews on youtube.
Thank you so much! Right there I'm shooting a Truball HT Pro which is my favorite back tension release. As you can tell in the video, I like to use it with 2 fingers.
This is exactly why I keep my head in the sand about bows. I've been hunting the same cheap bear compound I bought used in 2009 and it's killed a blacktail every year since. It was 60 bucks. Hell I watched my buddy carve a osage stick bow and take an elk last year, I don't even think his bow has a rest.
Take this into consideration. I have not shot much lately,however the modern compounds are like modern full suspension mtn bikes. The technology has come so far that the bang for your buck is really great. The let off and adjustability of these bows is amazing. You could not get the zip out of a 80+ lb bow that a 65 lb. bow will shoot now. Looks like you could stand to take all of those antennas off your bow and learn to shoot without that junk then put it back on after a few months. Great video! Good luck with your shooting and competitions.
I'm just getting into archery. Bought my first compound bow last weekend. Will you be doing a video on the "tuning" you mentioned in this video?
Definitely! I'll get some tuning videos out soon. A lot of people were interested in seeing what I did to get the bow all tuned.
You dont need expensive gear to be good. Bought a sanlida dragon x8 aka the amazon special which was $200 for the full kit and made in china and its a great bow. Fills me with pride when i shoot better than all the buyhards with their Mathews bows and $20 a pop goldtip airstrike arrows. My whole set up (bow, arrows, releases, sight,rest, etc) probably under $400 and I'm still one of the better archers at the range with only 2 months of shooting experience too. The bow is quiet, has a smooth drawcycle, solid backwall, and is super consistent. Not to mention, it's pretty much completley self serviceable. Adjustable from 0-70lbs through the limb screw and you just need to loosen and adjust 2 screws in the cams to change draw legnth. Cam timing was spot on out the box, string was already stretched and there's little to no cam lean on it. After buying some cheap levels and using the rope limb screw trick to find my center shot i didn't even bother paper tuning. They fly so perfectly straight that i can't even see them once they go flying unless i get just the right lighting.
My buddy have dropped buck and elk with this bow, it’s a great alternative to expensive bows
And the funny thing is that this bow is like a dream for me :D Nice shooting!
I just bought my first compound bow used on eBay. $200- 2023 diamond edge max. It was only used a couple times before the guy hurt himself. I know he's telling the truth because I had already purchased it with no refunds allowed when we started a conversation about the history of the bow.
Just goes to show how the big companies control the markets and attitudes. A little old guy sitting in a hut gluing buffalo horn and animal tendons to bamboo, made the best bow in history!!. Great video more informaitve than you know.
Thank you so much!
I took my first deer, a 7 pointer, at 35 yards 6 weeks after picking up a bow for the first time in my life (and spending many hours at the range). That bow was a Diamond Infinite Edge Pro. They're great, but they're going to need a lot of tuning if you shoot a lot. However, it's the best starter bow out there hands down.
What's impressive about this is that bow is in no way shape or form a target bow. It's a starter hunting bow. You could argue that there's no difference but there is....
Thank you so much haha!
Most competition shoots are six arrows, a full shoot being 144 arrows the mean score is an average of the whole shoot.
Before using a compound bow shoot with a recurve and get your score up with that, it will improve your ability at constant shooting and the shoot at 90 meters for at least 50 x 90 meters shoots. Then move on to compound.
All this will improve your shoulderblade muscles and make the 144 arrow shot easy to do.
To really find out if you have mastered the bow try shooting bear bow that really is a game changer.
diamond edge sb-1 PLEASE ! THANK YOU
I'll see what I can do! Thanks for watching!
My sb-1 has been a great budget hunting bow for myself.
Agreed my SB-1 shoots great.
Great review.
BTW would you consider doing a video on how to twirl an arrow...you do it so well.
I would like to see a PSE Stinger X comparison, great video btw
Thank you so much! I'll see what I can do
The PSE StingerX is a great bow for the price.
I grabbed a stinger a few weeks ago with a nice release and arrows for $80. Shoots great. I've been out of bow shooting and hunting for well over a decade now. Today I'm grabbing one of those 45/60 vortex that I've seen around. Pretty sure it's going to be a disposal-bow but we'll see. 65 bucks new with a new ameristep outhouse blind also nib.
I shoot a 10 year old PSE Nova and it kills deer just fine and I outshoot people with $1000 bows all the time.
Agreed I shot a 2004 HOYT MT Sport zr200 and I "Shoot x's all day. Not that impressive with those stabilizers and extras. But good shooting buddy!
i agree, but to a certain point, more expensive bows do have better technology, its just more reliable to shoot a higher end bow, can you accuratly shoot and hunt with a cheap bow? absolutely. can you be JUST as accurate as you would with a premium bow? realistically no, but only people like competitive shooters would know this difference. i also agree with the attachments comment, the bow is going to shoot how it shoots, how the archer sights that target has no bearing on the performance of the bow. very well thought out review!
Wish I could afford a $300 dollar bow. I'm having to use an $80 dollar bow (leader accessories) 55#. I still think it is a great bow for target practice.
I'm with you brother. 300 for a bare bow is not cheap to me lol. I'm not a competitive shooter so I don't have a reason. The pse stinger shoots nice and found it for $80 used with arrows, release and broadheads.
I shot an elk with this bow so yes you can use it for hunting
not cool.
And what have you killed with a bow on camera?!
@@bloodline4065 Too many to remember.
you can kill an elk with a bow carved from a piece of wood or a PVC bow. With enough practice you can use any decent bow for hunting. Clay Hayes 6 year old son killed a 90lb pig with a 20lb self bow.
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I was just in that building for the first time on Sunday. What a strange coincidence!
Hahaha! I'm surprised you didn't see me!
I saw feather fletching and was thinking "You can get a pretty good recurve or longbow for $300, obviously yes" and then I realized he was talking about compounds.
Id like you to test out the Hoyt Powermax.... hoys version of a budget bow! Im going to get one soon, first bow, new to archery and bowhunting, but research pointed me to the Powermax.... thanks for the content!!!
Thank you, no problem! I'll see what I can do
nice video...many of us are on budgets and fixed incomes and reviews like these are very helpful in making purchasing decisions. Thanks!
Nice video man , great editing , as for bows just go all out , get trads , olympic recurvers , hunting compounds and test them if you want , you have the form , would be interesting to see the transfer to traditional, as for compounds I think in a week you can get almost any bow and get 300/300. Maybe try and get 300/300 with broadheads on your hunting bow if you got one :)
Thank you! Oooooo that sounds really good, I'll see what I can do. Thanks for watching!
@@SamuelWhiteArchery Talking about line cutters :)
@@SamuelWhiteArchery a braodhead test would be cool lets see groups from all the most popular mechanical and fixed blades ps i shoot rage hypodermics
Awesome video and I would like to see a Bear wild test if you can keep up the awesome work. Thanks.
Thank you so much! I'll see what I can do
What arrows did you use Samuel? X23's X27's? Great shooting my man!!!
Great job. I really enjoy your videos. I bought this bow for my daughter (15). She's enjoying it, but it also was kind of time consuming to set up.
Thank you so much! I agree, it was pretty rough to tune and it's quite confusing. It takes some time, but it shoots pretty well for a super low price haha. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you very much for the great vid! As a rifle hunter who is dipping his toe into bow hunting, this helps me out tremendously in my research for my 1st hunting bow. This vid by no means takes Diamond out of the picture, just gives me a little more info into what i should consider when i make my descision. Also, trying to keep to a budget bow setup. Keep up the good work!
Excellent video. I would love to see a similar review of the PSE carbon stealth 35, because has two drawbacks for target shooting: is extremely light and lacks rear screw for stabilizer (albeit that can be corrected with modular stabs).
Thank you so much! Ooooo that would be extremely interesting to try. I'll see what I can do! Thank you for watching!
Before you say you don't recommend a bow for hunting consider this. About 90% of archery kills are taken within 20 yards. From a stand your kill zone is about an 8-inch circle. You just proved that this bow is more then enough for hunting. Also keep in mind most hunters prefer a soft wall. If you have to hold you draw in a stand for more than a couple of seconds having a bow that doesn't snap forward on the slightest release of pressure is a good thing. You have to remember that comp archery setups are completely different from hunting setups. What is good for one is not always good for the other.
Still would have been cooler to see you do it with a stock bow and explain what you did to tune the bow.
True, that would have been pretty epic! It wouldn't have been easy to hold steady, but that would have been a really good test to try, haha. True, I just didn't want to bore people with my tuning process, but tuning videos are on their way soon! Thanks for watching