The DARKEST Side of KPOP
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"The Geneva convention? More like the Geneva suggestion" - K-pop companies
Its painfully accurate
nah, k-pop companies cant even spell 'Geneva' convention just like the Sentinels cant spell 'Genosha'
Why has no one taken them to court? Oh yeah, the laws are insanely corrupt and they'll never get held accountable.
@@senkuo5039, bc money and power...
@@senkuo5039 It's more because the overall environment in Asia is just different. Working until you drop dead makes you a martyr, but quitting/backing off/asking for help because you feel like you're gonna crash makes you a worthless coward.
Imma level with you, in the Spartan training from the Halo universe where they kidnapped and replaced children to train them to be super soldiers, they still got food and a bed
this truly is the worst timeline
that...that's a nightmare-inducing comparison to realize. I genuine hope to God for better for these people.
And imagine the psychological damage that extends beyond the physical stuff, even from the culture of the people IN the program: people are congratulating those who go through the deprivation as "wanting it more"
and the people who succeed probably suffer some Mega-Millionaire level psychological warping. You reach that point of celebrity, then likely think you *are* and *deserve* better than other people because you made it.
at least spartans had a "mom" who truly loved them
you know being a super solider in training is better then being a k-popper, lmao.
@@leobardoviramontes5587 i mean only 33 spartan 2 survived the augmentations. the rest died. and john murdered two odsts during training
I, like much of your audience, love your "Can We Talk About This" serious. But I'm really growing to appreciate these tangents into madness lol. Keep it going Skoochums
Bruh this is "Can we talk about this?: Kpop culture"
Yeah, I don't even play league anymore but he keeps uploading good content like this that I just watch, like and share
i agree k-pop is a terrifying thing,say the wrong thing about any of them and the stans come at you full force with no mercy.
"execute order 66"
@@Xal_0 pretty much how it is
thresh i could help you with exterminating this if you desire
first time seeing you round these parts
*laughs in fizz*
The worst part is, this is all happening to CHILDREN. This is child abuse plain and simple, children shouldn't be making plans to work themselves to death and put themselves into debt for the rest of their lives because of an ideal dream.
I think, that not even adults should be doing something like this willingly
the geneva convention violation on children. Yes...
and i though Japanese Idol agencies are the most awful business practice in entertainment industry.
Why are the kids AND THEIR PARENTS demanding this shit and even paying for it.
@@NateB the parents dont know before hand what the training is and after it started they can't back out
“They openly hate gay people” which just makes it all the more mind boggling that they’ll still make gay ships and all that and encourage that shit within the fan bases.
It makea the fandom run, so it is okay. The fandom drives the industry.
They want the ships since it causes talks, but they will do everything they can to make sure it will not sail.
The fandom for guy bands is mostly. Fujoshis.
The female bands are white knight simps
@@owo4470 no, even my female classmates ship the girls with each other
Except the fans don't openly hate gay people, the artists don't either. And most every fan Ive seen talks mad shit about how the companies treat their idols and trainees and how repressive they can be. Don't attribute the actions of a 50 year old wealthy Korean executive with the 15-30 year old kpop fan
Skooch, the reason why idols are expected to not be in relationships is so that their literally insane fans can project themselves as being in a relationship with them. This is *not a joke.* One of the major appeals of these idols is that they are not in real relationships so that way their fans can feel as though their idols "belong" to them and are "committed" to them. It's insane, it's sickening, it's disgusting, and it's pathetic. Imagine controlling someone's love life for a decade because it will help sell more albums and tickets. This is why idols will often try to date in secret, because if it gets out their futures are ruined
Jesus christ....
Well shit, those Webtoons that I've been reading makes sense now
@Gisselle Hernandez Much a best example is Nayeon's Stalker, yes?
Dude, when Hyuna open up to the public about her relationship, half of tickets from her concert where refunded. LIKE WTF. HOW PSYCO ARE THESE FANS?!?
Also afterwards her supervisor absolutely demanded her to refrain her statement to the public and some something punishment happend to her. Actually what is Hyuna doing nowadays?
KPOP is the epitome of “Dance till your dead”
true af
Unfortunately that's very true. Sorry for suddenly bringing this up. But a member of a group called SHINee committed suicide due to being over stressed and just borderline depressed. And their fandom is still mourning him even after I think 4-6 years?
@@zeothesnowwolf2937 But can we say that is a K-Pop issue?
Didn't Avicii commit suicide for the same reasons?
I'm not disagreeing that K-Pop has a huge issue with depression and suicide. But to label it as an exclusive problem of K-Pop like many western journalists and keyboard warriors of the internet like to do is disingenuous.
Or "dance or kill yourself"
No wonder the rate of suicides among K-pop stars are in all time high.
It's a industry that burns you out and suck every bit of your being.
And people refuses to accept criticism over these violations of human rights.
@@paullu5139 I'm not saying it's an K-Pop exclusive issue. I'm just saying that there are very terrible stories behind the industry but tbh. People forget that South Korea's culture isn't like ours. Too many people in the west are hating the east because they aren't "progressive and for social justice" like we are. But that doesn't mean that the standards in SK don't need to be changed. But we also need to see that they're different from us and help them change. Because let's be honest. We seriously need to fix that shit. Cause that is just retarded
K-POP is a battle Royale
But worse
But you can't get a chicken dinner
@@reburg9374 no, they choose who gets the chicken dinner
@@personaerrante6097 but be careful, if you eat the chicken dinner, you'll get a little tiny bit fatter than they want and you're outtie
As fucked up as it is, truuuuuue
It's a star factory.
If you come out successfully, your life is owned by a company, you are scarred for life and you have toxic as hell stans.
If you fail, you owe money and are scarred for life as well.
Ye, not supporting it.
i was kinda thinking the same thing, talking scarecrow. it really doesnt seem worth it any way you slice it.
I feel a bit confused, what is stans? Also, they are training cash-cows, they are nothing more than cash-cows for the companies to profit from.
@@EiyuuOumono a stan is a fan with an unhealthy obsession, near cultistic levels of devotion and a feeling of entitlement to their idols love.
A stan will kill themselves "for you" or kill you to be with them forever, write deranged letters and more shit.
Though the phrase "we stan" is a light take on it, just with lesser madness.
@@EiyuuOumono Stans are basically people who worship these stars to almost like "god-like" status...They eat sleep and breath these Kpop artists...The fanbase is extremely toxic, and even cancel you for even critizing the Kpop community..
Fiddlesticks squad
Even Tahm Kench,the literal demon of greed who makes deals to screw people,would probably either be jealous that he didnt think of this,or disgusted at what theyre doing
I mean at least Tahm's Contract term is not as shady as this Kpop contractor does. You get what you signed.
@@GranMaj not really, you wouldn't know what you signed for until Tahm came and collect.
but atleast he gives them the solace of death.
@@Valigarmanda at least the guy gets his end of the bargain, most kpop people don't even get their reward for all their hard work
He'd be disgusted.
At least tahm kench lets You enjoy life before taking it away!
Imagine being a kid who gets dropped. Your singular drive was to become a Kpop Star and now you can’t get it. For as much as kids in school loose motivation and drive (which is a whole other can of worms), imagine how the little girl/boy feels when their dreams are actively crushed and then they put their family in debt.
Sucide
@@AuroraTheFirstLight it happens more than you think...
To be fair that happened to athletes as well. Imagine training all the time in the hopes that you can join the national team to represent your country, but you can't make it. And in the end, you waste 10 yrs of your precious life training for smtg that doesn't benefit you. So ya Kpop is harsh, but let's not pretend it's the harshest thing out there.
@@mxgoh1997 But sport is fair, it's not decided on variables that you cannot change without significant financial investment which might put you in debt which in this era is like a death sentence. Sport stars are picked on their physical ability which can be improved with effort, maybe money but it's not necessary.
@@mxgoh1997 it is tho, no ones pretending
a small comment about the wooden floor: koreans commonly sleep on the floor (albeit with blankets, not mats) due to the fact that most korean homes have heating that comes through the floor. everything about the kpop industry really sucks, but there is a tiny bit of cultural context just in regards to the sleeping on the floor thing.
Is true that is more cultural thing, but I want to believe that in modern living, a proper bed is a much healthy alternative than a mat on floor, even if the floor is heated, but exposure to the cold air on the ground, dust, elements and not to mention discomfort for your body.
@@FratoiuAlex they usually have a futon on the bed. Basically the bed is their bed frame, but they still have a layer of comfort. Not having a futon is very :///
Last time I was this early sona was still a singular champion
That was funny
Hot take seraphine is more like lux than sona
Last time I was this early Lucian was a single man
@@sevensprays9243 Seraphine is literally a sona lux neeko zyra
An extra sad thing to add to all the other sad things. The Geneva conventions only apply to war and the combatants involved therein. It isn’t a general human rights law.
Still doesn't mean you should be allowed to do them under any other circumstances...
Also why the fuck isn't the geneva convention stipulations on the human rights again? This don't make no fucking sense
@@EddieB-ready the geneva is just for war treatment. I mean that was the whole deal.
Then that's even more depressing, that rights that are [supposed to be] respected during times of something as terrible as WAR are better rights than what these children are offered.
@@SojournerKai the difference is consent. They wanted to become idols. Although it doesnt make it less sad.
@@rip192 In the same way that a child cannot consent to a sexual relationship, a child cannot consent to abusive treatment
Cannot wait for K/DA and Seraphine stans to come here to defend their kweens
Not gonna lie I prefere Seraphine over any "idol" just cuz it dosen't have as much human suffering
@@alextuller6222 but mimicking human suffering and satirizing it is ok?
@@Goodheartless Yeah its fiction, that's like saying you cant animate murder cause murder is bad.
You mean the brain damaged followers of media?
@@wordson4787 brain washed. You're looking for the term brain washed. Calling people stupid doesn't really make you smarter.
My sis loves to watch Kpop shows specially a show about debuting new idols
and She told me that they were being racist to the only Vietnamese contestant in the show. And yes he was the first one left the game
You're talking abt I-Land right?
As a Korean who has been living in Korea most of my life i always thought kpop idol similar to an Olympic athlete. In korea it is welll known fact that many of K-pop idols goes 5~10yrs in training be for debuting. It wasn't like this in 90s(back than it was just some high school kids who got telent and company hired them) but ever since 00s things changed many kpop companies realized it is easier make normal kid who can moderately sing and dance to a star than i finding that one talented kid who is naturally gifted to become star out of million other kids.
We all know this is very harsh but most of korean people we say so what? Like it is just how world is. many people will say they are not the only people who work their ass off. It is very harsh culture but yes many of boomers in korea do really think that if you want so badly you are willing bet on your life on it. And if they dont want to risk their life they can always just quit they don't really think much of people who fails at it as if there is someone who is succeeding there will be many who will fail because they are not the ONE .
but yes I do agree many company are scums. Thankfully many public are finding out about how these scumbags treat kids now days and many of them are getting persecuted for their actions. conditions of kids are getting better But i still do feel bad about many kid who 'failed' cuz many of them will end up doing prostitution.
This was a greate coment on the situation comming from somebuddy thats lives in that culture. The prostitution part is realy fucked up tho. Don't they go to school while they train? Is there such a high chance that they become prostitutes?
@@vasilebura5314 well they would go to high school but think about it do you think they would have good enough grade to go to university or learned skills that they use to make money. All they can do is be in retail. This is VERY fucked but the skills that they learn while preparing to become idol is perfectly suited to be a great prostitute.
They are going to be lot more prettier and attractive than normal girls or guys.
They know how to sing and dance so good for people who want entertainment and not just sex.
They are learn and trained to keep their smile on their faces even if they dont want to as they are performers.
I know it is very fucked up but that is real darkside of K-pop. But i guess they can always be twitch streamer and get mad money from simp 😂😂
@@sonic6689 Ahahahahahah probebly very true. The simps are realy sad peeple.
Can you tell me what companies is bad based in your opinion??
I hate rumors because they'll broke my confident.
@@chelodaffa2084 unfortunately, pretty much every company. But I think the companies that are lesser known are the worse ones
(Yes, I know Im replying to something from two months ago, just in case)
It's good that some animes actually shine light on how idols actually don't have a life. It's basically the only reason why i haven't and will never listen to a kpop song.
I mean the songs are actually good the horrible history behind them its what is fucked up
Tbh, they do make good songs but knowing how fucked up the idol industry is. ESPECIALLY in Korea and Japan, I can only listen to so much of it.
Also, Perfect Blue is such a relevant film today and that was released 25 years ago.
I agree, that's why I only listen to songs but I dont buy albums or things like that. I also do the same for anime, I always try to watch the anime for free or ilegally bc I will not support how shitty they treat the drawers and animators.
Gabriel Desangles buy manga tho. best way to directly support manga authors.
If someone asks watch the anime movie Perfect blue. Also if you hate the industry but like idols go watch Vtubers, they are treated like people and they don't need to have the fake perfect image
Watching this video I couldn't tell if I was watching a video about the dark side of K-pop, or sitting through another history lesson about the Canadian residential schools...
@@flandretek Yup, the only thing missing is the sexual abuse, hmmmm, I wonder if that happens too?
@@lorddasani8707 I mean, if even a niche, small idol industry such as vtubers has these issues, I am 99% sure some of them have been raped or something similar to that
@@lorddasani8707 **the burning sun scandal would like to know your location**
It feels like you’re describing someone using a behelet(berserk fans rise up), sacrificing every last bit of humanity you have, just to become some perfect version of yourself, while you become no longer human, you just become a tool of power, a tool of something greater
Yeah, Kpop star are literaly an apostle. Its so fcked up.
I can't believe BTS was the God Hand all along
More videos like this man. So informative and entertaining, eyes-opening.
I used to tell my friends that like K-Pop that the girls/guys they're Stanning were like mass-produced factory dolls. Turns out the truth is crueler than fiction.
KPOP right now is all the same because they are trying to make the most money with very little loss to the company.
Ikr all these kpop stars look exactly the same they look so generic
@@BoostedMonkey05 I think you're just not looking in the right places!
@@Kemonosaur question. What ever happened to groups with varying sounds. Back then you knew your wonder girls from your SNSD, from your f(x), from your 2ne1. From your Big Bang, from your Super Junior, from your SHINee, from your EXO, from your BAP.
@@dumbhein6042 Let's be a little racist too while we're at it. Good job.
I really love the fact that i follow a creator that produces very good content,AND is a very down to earth,humane, and smart.
Glad i found your channel. Also glad that you don't make only the "Can we talk about this" series, i think that your creativity deserves to reach more possibilities than just league.
Preach it
Mainly these are the reasons why i can't stand kpop, not because of the singers or dancers or bands, but because of how the industry treats them, almost like cattle to the slaughterhouse
I feel like we have some of these same problems with Hollywood tbh. Maybe not to the extent of kpop but there is a dark side to our own way to fame and its disgusting.
@Mr. Mistah Either way once you make it in to stardom you just become a puppet. You have to fit into their agenda or you are kicked to the curb. Not to mention all the scandals and ass kissing done in the industry.
Personally, hollywood is worse. B-list actors getting thrown around like used rags by hollywood big name producers.
Yeah i mean between all the rape allegations, the children sexual abuse allegations and all the bribes and abuse things im pretty sure its worse. But its not in Korea so most people arent gonna be as vocal about it.
I’m a non toxic Kpop fan and I agree with every single word. Being a Kpop star is something scary and definitely not worth it. Btw not all Kpop fans are toxic, but I agree that most are.
People that are truly fans should say something, but it's just stan "insert this here"
A fellows spooderman pfp i see
I'm a fan of the music but not "the process" because it's so fucked up. I hope that things change so more "indie" kpop appears so the companies lose their relevance
"STAN TWICE" Nayeon passes out and falls of stage due to lack of sleep / proper nutrition.
*Fans are silent*
They've been brainwashed so hard that some of them truly believe that only by supporting a band and buying their shit they can help their fav avoid a lot of this bullshit. No joke, they're that deep into delusion.
@@konata736 bruh what are u talking, the fandom is always talking about the mistreatment of idols, especially in fandom so big as onces (twice). Its true, there are fans that dont do a lot but I can assure u that like 8/10 of the fans complain. But as a fan there's not much we can do. We can't physically to Korea, we can't talk to the bosses, managers normally dont give a shit. U think we can just walk and say "stop that is bad" its s pretty complicated problem. I hate the Kpop industry but please dont make it seem like we can resolve it so easy
The worst thing, in my opinion, is the debt trap. The mats, the homophobia, the xenophobia, the malnourshment, the identity-loss. All of that is nothing, compared to the fact that you're stuck in the contract, and they could theoretically get you into a chain of contracts, and put you in infinite debts. All of this, done to kids, who might not know better, or think this is the "only" path for them.
The lack of freedom to leave is really what gets to me
I've heard these stories for years and love that you're covering it (and covering it well!), but as soon as that godly Ori music started, nothing else existed anymore.
he's shocked at NCT having 18 members LMAO Im curious how he's gonna react if he finds out they have unlimited members and they currently have 23 members 😂😂
i'm not gonna lie i love kpop but the companies are scary and the communities you get associated with when you say that you do are sometimes insanely toxic
It kinda hit me how hard Riot Games is actually abusing this entire thing to create Seraphine while very clearly not acknowledging the issue.
The K-pop influence, Seraphine's depressive comments early on, KDA as a whole. It's literally Riot trying to push aside the horrors that these people go through just to sell a skin.
The fact that stans are refusing to acknowledge these problems because of their obsession for k-pop groups and its ridiculous and if you call this out the stans will attack you which makes me think either they're payed actors or actual brainwashed fans
This is why I cant stand k-pop stans
bruh pls dont let some toxic fans be the voice of the whole fandom. Almost every fandom is pretty good but we also have rotten apples
@@gabrieldesangles5110 I have heard this statement so many times to avoid the main problem to address the truth. Sure it is true not majority is like that but you are excusing these out.
@@gabrieldesangles5110 Dude, how many times are corrupt fandoms going to use that idiotic excuse? It's been used for literal years and it's more pathetic the more it is.
The thing is, how do you guys know that no one is calling this stuff out? All of the points brought up in the video are valid and very worrying and fans are constantly yelling at the companies of their favorite artists when they see they are mistreated. You would have to be heavily involved in the fandom to realize, however, and not just be a spectator from the outside. However, it's also important to see that not all these conditions are present in every company. The industry is beyond crap that's true, but what entertainment company isn't. Take a look at childhood actors in the western industry and tell me it isn't bad as well.
@@alexa.478 well put
That....That’s dark, even for me
And what you read is probably only the “good” part of the dark. Imagine the truly dark parts of that, that no one talks about. Impressionable young children being whispered and promised sweet fantasies of fame if they do dirty little deeds and in return they’ll get a spot in the A-Team or something. Damn 🤔
I don't doubt that could be a thing, but I feel like those are rarer scenarios, I feel like this is as dark as it gets, of course what can be legally said
@@Teorah This is true, you make a good point
I mean, idol culture is notorious for sexual favors getting better positions, be it in management or on stage... So yeah, probably
It happened to a trainee who was told if she was good to the producer she would get an acting role
Really loving the new content Skooch! As much as I love the league/gaming content, I love seeing the channel evolve and that you're making videos that you find passionate about.
i love this format of video. it was extremely informative, and gave me a lot of insight into something i knew nothing about
This is why some kpop stans are so rabid when it comes to protecting their favorite groups. They knew shit like this happened so when people attack/criticize their favorite groups they bite back. It's toxic and unacceptable behavior, but it makes sense.
Yeah, attack people that talk shit to your favorite band, but not the companies that make these kids living a prisoner life (or even worst). Good job stans, you really are helping your favorite band a lot.
@@FratoiuAlex wow this comment was years ago but I stand by my comment still. Makes sense, but shouldn't happen. And I 100% agree with you that what they do is counterproductive.
But now, years after this comment and having had the chance to interact with koreans and indulge myself in their culture, I can see why stan culture is like this. In the late 2000s, early 2010s (basically before kpop was a huge international thing), you weren't allowed to like multiple groups. And that bled into early international fandoms, which is why being rabid and attacking people is so normalized.
Another theory I have is because koreans are so xenophobic that it bled into their fandom culture 🥴🥴 if someone likes a different group, it's like they're a foreigner and they get alienated or attacked.
I really like the style of the last few videos you've made. They are very entertaining and I find myself watching it all no matter the length.
Last time i was this early riot still liked to create good champions
Holy shit, you haven't been this early since 2013?
Oh so you’ve never been this early?
I get the joke but, aint Yone and Lillia good tho?
@@facebookuser1653 ye I forgot about lillia (even tho she’s the only character I play kekw)
@@renyoudie hey, zoe and qiyana are pretty good
Thanks for informing some of us on how Kpop works. I do like some of their songs but I dont really fow it that much.
most of us kpop fans know that there's problems within the industry and actively try and make them better(as much as fans can). along with choosing who we support carefully(because not every company is the same) and keeping up to date on all the changes in the kpop industry. you look here and you imagine everyone being treated like that(no one should be ever, just btw) but that's not the case. most of the problems in the industry are problems that grew from roots within korean society, because it is so conservative. as time moves forward and there's more of an audience outside of korea, our voice will start to matter more and more to the companies as well as the country slowly getting more progressive. there have already been improvements from when I started staning back in 2018. many things have to change, and we know that, but since when does standing back, not engaging, and just saying "thing bad" actually help change the systems that are hurting?
It spreads awareness, plus getting involved seems to have (at least a stereotype of) people sending death threats and being aggressive
WWE fans were able to get their wrestlers health insurance and you are telling me bts stan army can't change this system ??
used to be a very determined kpop fan here, its actually quite sad that the people i idolized and looked up to lives a very concerning lifestyle behind the glamour of it all. not to mention the saesangs, extreme haters, the pressure of keeping their appearance, the tight schedules- their private life often being diregarded, this is if they debuted. not to mention the toxic side of each fandom. some even commit su*c*de because of how physically exhausting and mentally draining everything is. its really sad and disheartening as someone who genuinely loved kpop before.
their passion to achieve their dreams makes them burn out in the end.
Bruh the quality of these videos is so high keep it up I’m so glad I found this channel
What the actual hell is this lmao
You've officially opened our eyes Skooch! I will never join a kpop band ever
I love videos like this, keep it up my man! :D
Children and Teenagers shouldn't be put in any "industry" Time and time again there has been evidence supporting how it brings eating disorders, anxiety and depression later in life. Fame will not cure any of it. Money will not pay for a life that will be stripped away the moment they are at the mercy of the public or their talent agent.
You know what sucks though? Want for fame is from a lack of attention and care as a child (and remains even in adulthood, we are social creatures that want love and belonging). They knew nothing of this hell. They were put there when they barely understood the concept of money. Or the concept of sunk cost fallacy. They were helpless from the start because these companies prey on kids.
You know why this is allowed? You know why this is normal? BTS is so successful internationally that they at some point managed to be responsible for 1/3 of South Korea's GDP. The whole country relies so much on their idols to keep their economy "healthy" So of course it's a big deal to normalize and capitalize their "number 1 product"
Whenever I think of Seraphines "made me this way" I don't think of a girl finding herself. I think of the millions of girls made to train, starve and dream that hard work will pay off someday and the people who told them it was okay.
Child labor may be banned but this is just as a bad
The image used for the waiting room reminds me of early era Game Theory. I kinda love it
I adore these videos where you have a thoughtful discussion. I hope I can pop into chat one day when you have one, cause I adore taking part in stuff like this. Honestly..the K-POP industry being like this makes me EXTREMELY happy when they get popular in NA and Europe because it gives them a really good chance of getting their own freedom from labels and contracts. They can make what they love to do a lot like I'm hearing BTS got to try and do here in the US. So I honestly think its good to make sure that the idols get a chance internationally and that this gets nipped in the bud because these guys work hard from very young..beyond what should be expected out of a child.
I was on stream, I have to see this vid before the vid is taken down i hope not but...
good news , it isn't taken down yet
Professional fighters don't even have training camps this brutal sometimes lmao
skooch going from that rando on my recommended to most my viewed youtuber in the course of 3 months, Love you man
nice editing once again love your work Kai
Damn Skooch going after KPop? RIP nice knowing him, he'll be missed.
It do be like that
Nah, it's all good. You could gather the biggest fandoms here and the vast majority would still be supportive of Skooch. They know of these issues and are actively pushing companies toward improving the conditions.
@@CottidaeSEA well, if that's true, it's nice to hear they are doing something about it
Noo, I like kpop (I don't like the companies tho). He's totally right
He is fine. There is literally no reason he would be in trouble.
Thank you for not doing the "did you know most of the people watching this is not subscribed..." bit here, with this serious topic.
Ps Im already subb-ed ;)
Starting watching you when you started KWTAT and stayed all the way. Keep it up Skooch! You da man!
I really enjoy that you use the soundtrack of Celeste for the BGM!
I knew the rules and conditions kpop group have to go through but not to this extent
Even Zimbabwean schools arnt this brutal
(Trust me, I know)
I..i loved every moment of this, thanks for shining a light on this, i had no idea it was THIS bad...
Thank you for this video, Skooch. This was a much needed eye opener that needs to be talked about more.
Thank you for making this video. Make more vids like this 1. It's realy interestig.
people literally kill themself of the pression they feel, its horrible, they are just puppets for the fans, they are controlled totally by their manager, every thing they do is pre-meditaded
The pression is a real problem in the world
Well...here in Brazil we say "Agora posso almoçar" when a video comes out at lunchtime ... so, that's it
Agora eu posso almocar, Skooch
nice ver outro brasileiro por aqui \o o skooch é ótimo.
@@samyomura aí sim, meu consagrado
As someone who's pretty knowledgeable about the industry and many artists from different companies, it's sadly unfortunate that most companies have such immensely strict, and even borderline inhumane practices. While being disciplined and hard-work is a must, it's certainly gets to a point where it can break down the artist's mentally and physically. Even if you're willing to go through hell to debut, I believe there are no excuses for it. For the most part, the articles chosen are accurate with what trainees and artists go through, but this is definitely not the case for every company. Some will be more lenient than others; giving more time to rest, being more open to allowing artists to seek mental help, work on their own music, being allowed to date, ect..The fans are aware of these issues, hence our support enhances further to see the groups and artists who've worked so hard to get to where they're at succeed.
Anywho, these types of stories are prevalent in so many other industries that I'd be unfortunate to be put off from discovering new talent and sounds. The good thing is that companies are improving, but they will never be perfect. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!
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Don't do gay kids
stop trying to seduce me, then
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I'll allow you one sign of affection
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The pfp and name make this comment so good
No one can tell me what to do.
This is why I feel in love with hololive, it removes so much of the faults and horrors of idol culture. Bless yagoo.
any other type of idol is pretty much different than factory made idols in korea, heck even an extreme place with idol culture like japan, most idols are still treated like people within their parent company.
its about how the companies would look at their idols, in korea they are the one who created the idols, there would be no idols without them, normally its the opposite, so this is a really sad timeline we are living in...
@@azuri6842 This is very true, but Japan's idol culture can be very vicious sometimes.
Hololive is no saint either.
Look at my girl Aloe, plus all the girls are required to have multiple talents and big stream time, im sure its not easy for them either but not worse than other idol companies
@@juanpch2175 its not about if a company is a saint or not, its about if they acted like people, there are alot of talents that been laid off by the company itself like hitomi chris or yakushiji suzaku from holostars, aloe is just another case of "they fucked up this time" and its completely fine as to protect the company and the talents.
obviously to become an idol you need really high standard, but most of their talents were already a part of the industry before joining, they are living proves that their idols arent "manifactured", so its not just sunny and rainbow but at least its not a living hell like how they described k-pop idol industry.
@@juanpch2175 yeah, but aloe had a bed, a place to sleep, and time for herself while she was active
Now we need this: The DARKEST Side of Riot games
YES! And Tencent overall
@@neon9817 Indeed! but I highly doubt Skooch will make it cus Riot Games might kick him out of the LPP. It's risky but worth to make a video about that.
Worth too wach but not too make
Riot has a dark side???
Yup and this is why me as a fan would support them with all my might, even if you ended up making a debut let's just say that your debut song was a hit , you still have to share 60 to 50 % of the money with the company and the money left you will need to share it with your members. If your planning on auditioning think again , and to be able to pass you need to learn to dance/sing/acting/ or have visuals basically you need to have a talents , if your lucky enough and they spotted you they will just ask you if your interested and give you their contact number , there's also lucky people like Ryujin who got escorted by JYP on a Got7's fan meeting.
Just thinking twice before signing the contract or else your life will be ruined .
As a fan of kpop WE KNOW.
We know we know we know we know we know this already. We have been thrown so many 'dark sides of kpop' videos our way enough times. We literally know the industry like the back of our hands. The reason why we stan certain groups so hard is to make up for that lost time they took training to be the idols they are today. Without support they fizzle out after 2 years their company disbands them and then what? There are bad companys there are good companys just like in the west. Things are changing, idols are calling out their companys for their mistreatment the 2 suicides that were publicized doesnt allow these companies to hide their malpractice anymore, this knowledge of shitty conditions is wide spread.
I will say though please do not lump BTS and bighit in with this fairly true sterotype their story is vastly different because their circumstances as a group and company was built from the group up. They created their own success.
kpop stans: “i’m fighting for [their] fucking life”
What about that time Black pink singers in a concert looked like they would pass out?
@@dcscruz2970 what does that have to do with anything i said... ontop of how does that relate to the video?? This was about trainees
@@maxie4118 Cause even after passing trainee stage, they are overworked to pay the massive hellish debt famous or not even worse when is female idols
@@dcscruz2970 im not blackpink and as a fan ill never know what exactly goes on in their lives. With that being said, outwardly they are doing fine for themselves financially. Even under a shitty company. Kpop fans cannot control how management treat idols but we can call attention to it. I dont know what you want from me.
Holy shit I tripped out when I heard the Sunless Skies music slide in to the background
same i dont expect to just find it out in the wild
Nobody tell Skooch how many people are in Wu Tang.
He probably knows.
there's only 9 people in Wu-Tang clan
This is probably my favorite stream highlight video so far.
Didn't think I'd hear a sunless skies song on a smooch video. Pleasant surprise
Holy shit dude, i know that K-pop's workplace is very bad but didn't knew it was THAT BAD
these videos are so entertaining for no reason. i love watching you just scream at your monitor lmao
What's sad is, most kpop groups/soloists today went through that and are still criticized for "not being good enough".
The worst thing is that most people joining the companies are too young to actually think or know about the "dark" side. They can be easily exploited because they have a dream and with that age most trainees start with it is the responsibility of the parents to explain those things to their children and it is especially dangerous if they also don't know anything about it because once you're in it's too late in most cases while it's relatively easy to get into a company.
I as a K-Pop Fan myself can't agree with those things but it's also not a bad thing to support the artists who have suffered to come to that point.
Unfortunately there are enough people who agree on those circumstances because they're desperately craving for their dream so there will always be people who will do literally anything to achieve it.
But who didn't dream of being famous when they were young? It definitely needs some drastic regulations.
"Its not a crime if they want it."~ K-POP company
As a precursor to this comment: I like kpop groups. I like how good they are at performing, I love the multimillion dollar MVs (which is not true for the whole industry, thats just referring to the top tier like BTS, Twice, Blackpink, etc. Plenty of small companies struggle to put together a budget for an MV. They just have a better production value overall).
I'm not here to defend most of the stuff talked about here. Most of it is fair and, while somewhat cherry picked, there are a lot of fucked up things about the industry.
The weight obsession thing is fucked up. Celebrities are criticized for their weight across the world and companies obsess over their image all over the world. But it doesnt make it any better for kpop. And the companies forcing it on someone is fucked up, especially kids.
The Hyuna thing is fucked up. No one except the absolute crazies thought that made any sense.
The gay stuff, however horrible it is to tell someone "its not ok to be who you are," is FAR from confined to kpop in Korea. We still have our issues with LGBT rights in the west, but its nothing on Eastern cultures. Is it getting better? Sure. But actors, people in the military, people at work all face ostracization for coming out. Its just that kpop is no different, and if you're part of a group, in the company's eyes, youre going to bring the whole group down with you.
Same comes for the "half-Korean" comment. While it sounds fucked up to say that to a kid, the instructor was absolutely right about the acting thing.
The reason BTS came up for "kpop star small apartment" was because BTS' company was tiny and they had a shitty dorm when they started out.
Skooch's last line is true. Plenty of people would sacrifice a lot for their passion.
Idk how to end this comment. Its gonna get buried and get shit but. Just had to say it as someone who actually, you know, looks at this shit a lot and isnt just speaking as an outsider. I have friends who work as staff for some of these groups.
"Thats all I have to say about that" - Forrest Gump
I hope this video blows up, nice breakdown!
Good on you skooch, proud that your doing this.
what, wait a second I HEAR THAT SUNLESS SKY MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND YOU CANT FOOL ME
Since many do not value originality much, it is most profitable to create groups who fit visual idols almost perfectly, are capable to reliably produce mainstream content of sufficient quality and are not gay or ethnicly special. All that to have a very widesprea target audience. However, none of the three traits named are achieveable by normal means, creating the need for companies who by sheer force create people who fit those properties and arrange then in the most effective way. In effect, I would say this situation is not because of companies being evil(even though they are) but rather to us not valuing originality over quality of execution.
i know its off topic but i heard that sunless sea music near the end captain recognizes captain
the worst thing is kpop companies only debut groups every new "generation" which is like 5-6 years or so. so if you get in as a trainee when you're 18, and a company debuts a group 4 years later for the new generation but you aren't chosen to debut you'd have to wait 5 more years to even get a chance. but by that time you'd be over 25 which many kpop idols are deemed to old to debut around that time. even if you do debut it isn't promised that you're gonna be successful unless you're from the top 3 companies. it's horrible and unethical tbh
The kpop star situation is just a expanded version of the Idol situation in japan. Personally I find it disgusting to treat anyone like this.
I do enjoy your honesty about fame hunting though. Personally I'm one of those that want to leave a lasting impact on the world but don't want to have my personal life ruined. It's why I have started using pseudonyms. I don't wanna be like a celebrity that has to disguise themselves. If I was a celebrity I would live like Dave Chappelle, dude lives local to me and is super chill. He wants to level with you as if he was anyone else and can't stand fanboys that come up for an autograph when he is talking to someone. Dude is super down to earth and wants to live like the rest of us.
This is like the equivalent of Dr. Clef finding SCP-2000...
I remember a group that also uses numbers as substitute for names, it starts with the letter N.
Hang on skooch. Is that transistor music in the background
There somethings that I dont know about, and sometimes, I was glad to not know.... WTF??? Where are the meteors to reset our planet man.
I think a lot of stans do know about the situation, but choose to ignore it in favor of supporting their favorite artists
That happens a lot when you decide to be a trainee in a small and unknown company sadly. But with big and known companies it really rarely happens, because if they're discovered, it gets shutdown, if it doesn't get shutdown for some reason, the bad reputation will lead the company to go bankrupt 100% of the time. Small and unknown companies have disgusting practices all over the world, not just korea, in america things like those don't happen as often, but what happens as often is sexual abuse, sexual harassment, threatening the artist's families between other things. The music industry isn't fair, it's corrupt, there's a dark side to every music industry, not just korea as many people make it out to be.
PS: Not being full korean doesn't matter if you're a trainee in a well known company, there are so many examples, there are kpop idols from Australia, United Kingdom, Brasil, China, Taiwan, Thailand, Japan, Canada, United States, Senegal, I'm missing some but I don't have the patience to write them all and I don't know every group there is obviously.
Great video my man! Horrible thing to happen someone and I’m glad at least someone is talking about it. (Outside the conventional circles, I mean. At least, I hope.
"Anime characters all look the same! They just change the outfit and hair color, it's nothing like real life"
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Probably the best example you could give
Looks like that could all be photoshop one one guy in different poses...
Let's be a little racist too while we're at it. Good job.
@@salceds the argument he's making isnt "asians all look the same" its "plastic implants all look the same" which sounds reasonable to me.
But stans will be like "LoOk at the prty bois and girls dance"
So I recently separated from the Air Force, was a crew chief, or a mechanic on jets. The job sucked, and sometimes we missed meals; however, I will say, we were treated way better than these poor kids. I hope these kids get out of this hellhole, cause fuck this is child abuse to the extreme.
this is coming from an ex kpop stan... and yeh i think most kpop stans (espc. the older ones) know about this. Also their suffering does not stop in the training once they become idols they go from photo shoot to promotion to filming to recording all in one day and in the same day they would sometimes have live performance (there are tones of clips of idols passing out on stage, collapsing etc.) once they become idols they basically sell their whole being to their company their private life is controled, they can even be denied to go to the hospital and to top it all off they would have sasaengs ( psychotic stalkers) AND haters who can go to extreme lengths such as telling an idol to shut up while they are talking, bomb threats, etc.
I feel like Britain should take action, considering how these companies basically abducted their children and treated them to illegal living conditions.
I don't know if Britain _can_ take action, but if they can they absolutely should
Skooch : (Provides evidence to why KPOP is bad)
Stans : *Haha, music go BRRR*
I mean that's any two opposing ideas in history. So nothing new really.
Don't forget the gifs
ngl being a D-Class forced to clean SCP-173's shit from the walls sounds better than that cause at least it's painless when your time is up
So its been 2 months si ce this video was released and it doeant feel like its been 2 months. It feels like it was released half a yr ago. Time is fuckin....just wow