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Thank you Jean Jacques machado for saying what needed to be said about not teaching leg locks to beginners, "your not ready, learn basics". So many times I've seen young guys get seriously injured, possibly for life, due to a leg lock that they never trained for.
@Whammer79 don't heel hook white belts who don't even know a Kimura yet. Heel hooks aren't basic, and a beginner isn't knowledgeable enough yet to know when to let go. You crank too far a heel hook and you give someone a 30k hospital bill and 6 months of recovery. The hardest part is usually you don't feel pain until its too late. Heel hooks should be reserved for more advanced practitioners.
@Whammer79 thats a fair point, but a stretched tendon in your elbow and going unconscious are minor compared to a torn acl. I tend to agree more with Machado here, you need to show that you are responsible enough with the other techniques first before you can be trusted with heel hooks and knee bars. There's so much that can go wrong when you isolate a leg against someone who doesn't know how to defend properly. Most of the time injuries from heel hooks happen from moving wrong when you're the one actually stuck in the hold. Theres a reason reaping the knees is illegal at white belt, its very dangerous
When I entered my first few tournaments, they allowed straight knee and ankle locks at white belt level. Heel hooks were open for anyone doing no-gi. This was in 99’-2002. I know because I was a three stripe white belt in 2002 and my opponent and I were engaged in a straight ankle lock duel when the towel toss signified the time ended. One of the coolest things I ever saw at that time was a four stripe white belt circle his opponent for the right moment then he slid underneath him and inverted, raising his hips executing a rolling straight knee lock for the tap. I was taught all the basic leg locks in the late 90’s but most guys didn’t end up favoring them much in training.
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Totally agree with everything Jean Jacques said. For all their faults, IBJJF is right in keeping Leg locks to the higher belts. The last thing you want is yet another thing scaring away newcomers to the sport
@@stuartcooperfilms Ah I see. Yea man the whole world got weird really, really fast.. I appreciate the content brother. Keep ‘em coming:) Happy Holidays to you and yours! 🤙🏻
It needs to be combined with leg lock control positions rather than just submissions. Such as how to get and maintain strong leg lock positions such as 411. Also how to switch to guard passes and back takes from set ups for leg locks.
After 2 knee surgeries, Joe said it best " there is something very scary about someone that can fuck your knee up". Now someone slightly twists my knee in training and I'm tapping verbally and by hand. I'm thankful I can walk straight and plan to keep it that way👍👍
First day. The nature of BJJ has shifted and leglocks have become part of the meta. It's dumb to introduce a huge aspect of it after years spent ignoring it. Besides, it's best to teach leg lock safety as early as possible
@@stuartcooperfilms I don't like the idea of allowing them at a certain belt level due to sandbagging. I like the grappling industries method where it's decided by the amount of time you've trained. For example, if it's over 2 years, all leglocks are legal. If it's below that, then only straight ankle or kneebars
Leg locks should be taught as a basic because at the end of the day BJJ was created as a self defense martial art and leg locks have obviously been proven to be highly efficient.
Just call me Q white belts need to learn the basic passing/positions/sweeping/takedowns leg locks eliminate the need for all of those therefore I personally believe they need to be learnt and nurtured before tackling leg locks
I don't always agree with the IBJJF but I agree with them on this one. It's 4 inches of movement to destroy a knee. There's no insurance coverage for that and prize money isnt that big. Not every country has good healthcare. And all it takes is for one Palahares type guy to sink a significant portion of your savings on medical bills.
I miss my ACL. And life goes on. btw no body cares when someone gets injured , trust me when a “training partner” tore my knee off with a RUclips flying scissor sweep flop. No one cared except my Wife. And that’s what happens, so make sure you really trust your training partners. Took 2 years learning how to walk and took me that long to get my 3rd stripe on my blue beltch. I mentally hit rock bottom. But crawled my ass into the position I’m in today, training with the best training partners not trying RUclips flying scissor sweeps. Instead drilling what we learn over and over and over
With the IBJJF legalising it for brown & black belt no gi, they better start learning them at least at blue or purple belt. If they start at brown belt, they’ll be a white belt in leg locks, unless they decide to only do gi competitions.
Our 10th Planet school showed it to us (beginners) and said was said to let it go once you locked it in, it was also said that any time when feeling something that isn't comfortable, be it any position or submission, to just tap BTW, is that gracie barra school in LJ?
I already learned heel hook from GB 3 years back when I was still a white belt (though it was no gi class but he knew most of us were white belts) and we were allowed to use it during rolls but ofc the professor warned us of the danger and slow when using them. So mostly depends on the professors cause some others wouldn't teach them.
I think we can move on from the, "leg locks don't work well in MMA..." meme. The newest generation of leg-lockers understand the positional aspects of the game, they're not sitting to guard and allowing folks to take a dominant top position; they're controlling the base, getting underneath their opponent and taking their balance. If they're hitting knee bars, it's often in scrambles, where, if their opponent hits them, it's usually a glancing blow. Can you get hit while going for leg submissions? Sure, but try and hit hard while not having balance/base; few fighters can do it.
Kevin Holland pretty much did this a week ago ha. Long arms though which helped him generate enough force tht the first punch tht jacare got hit with you could tell it hurt him.
@@larbear325Are you talking about the end? That was hardly a leg lock, Jacare was grabbing Holland's foot While on his knees, passively. While Jacare is an elite BJJ practitioner, I wouldn't consider him an elite leg locker. Just about every submission that's not done with back control or full mount, can put you in danger in a fight. That's why the positional aspects of each are so important.
@@larbear325 this is what I'm taking about though. He wasn't in position, he wasn't even in 50/50 and that position is falling out of favor with a lot of elite leg lockers for the most part, unless it happens during a scramble. We are going to see some leg lockers imanari roll and scissors takedown folks into heel hooks for the win, for a bit in MMA until folks get better at the leg game, then we will see a more integrated leg positional game in MMA and fighters will be training this as part of their ground game too. This has happened with so many submissions. Hell, look at arm bars in the 1990's and early 2000's. Technically, they were garbage, but fighters didn't understand the positional aspects of them. Now you have to be fairly high level BJJ to get them consistently. Same can be said for lots of subs. Even the criticism of being in guard bottom was, "you're just going to get punched in the face..." Which is true... If you don't know guard bottom. The UFC allowed Royce to prove this isn't true if you do know guard bottom. Fighter like Tonon, Ryan Hall, and others will help to change the prospective on leg locks. Watch Gordon Ryan and others who are at the top of the game and imagine throwing punches. For the most part, you'd be off-balance and be throwing them to out-time the snap of your knee.
@@Mundanesuperpower I'm always curious when people talk about bjj in mma they also use Gary, Hall and sometimes Kron. But I never here them talk about Viera I feel like hes the best current example for bjj guys transition to mma. And I think cjj kinds proves the other. Your not going to have the precision or mental fortitude while getting smacked in the face. It's one of the main reasons why Gord has never competed in cjj against the bigger guys. Him and John know there a very high chance of it getting messy and Ryan doesnt being uncomfortable.
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Thank you Jean Jacques machado for saying what needed to be said about not teaching leg locks to beginners, "your not ready, learn basics". So many times I've seen young guys get seriously injured, possibly for life, due to a leg lock that they never trained for.
I've only just come back from knee surgery myself. It took over 1 year to get back to what i was
@Whammer79 don't heel hook white belts who don't even know a Kimura yet. Heel hooks aren't basic, and a beginner isn't knowledgeable enough yet to know when to let go. You crank too far a heel hook and you give someone a 30k hospital bill and 6 months of recovery. The hardest part is usually you don't feel pain until its too late. Heel hooks should be reserved for more advanced practitioners.
@Whammer79 thats a fair point, but a stretched tendon in your elbow and going unconscious are minor compared to a torn acl. I tend to agree more with Machado here, you need to show that you are responsible enough with the other techniques first before you can be trusted with heel hooks and knee bars. There's so much that can go wrong when you isolate a leg against someone who doesn't know how to defend properly. Most of the time injuries from heel hooks happen from moving wrong when you're the one actually stuck in the hold. Theres a reason reaping the knees is illegal at white belt, its very dangerous
When I entered my first few tournaments, they allowed straight knee and ankle locks at white belt level. Heel hooks were open for anyone doing no-gi. This was in 99’-2002. I know because I was a three stripe white belt in 2002 and my opponent and I were engaged in a straight ankle lock duel when the towel toss signified the time ended. One of the coolest things I ever saw at that time was a four stripe white belt circle his opponent for the right moment then he slid underneath him and inverted, raising his hips executing a rolling straight knee lock for the tap. I was taught all the basic leg locks in the late 90’s but most guys didn’t end up favoring them much in training.
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Totally agree with everything Jean Jacques said. For all their faults, IBJJF is right in keeping Leg locks to the higher belts. The last thing you want is yet another thing scaring away newcomers to the sport
Did IBJJF just introduce heel hooks? But only Black Belt division? I'm not sure...
@@stuartcooperfilms i believe so. there is a video with brenardo interviewing gordon ryan on it.
"Jean Jacques is like yoda" - Eddie Bravo
haha I remember him saying that
True! He is tho! 🤙🔥
And John Danaher is Palpatine
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It needs to be combined with leg lock control positions rather than just submissions. Such as how to get and maintain strong leg lock positions such as 411. Also how to switch to guard passes and back takes from set ups for leg locks.
What’s your take on leg locks in Mma?
Great video edit and footage 🔥🔥🔥
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After 2 knee surgeries, Joe said it best " there is something very scary about someone that can fuck your knee up". Now someone slightly twists my knee in training and I'm tapping verbally and by hand. I'm thankful I can walk straight and plan to keep it that way👍👍
Great video. JJM has great perspective
Thanks Rob 👊
When is the right time for a Jiujitsu practitioner to learn Leg locks?
Purple belt
First day. The nature of BJJ has shifted and leglocks have become part of the meta. It's dumb to introduce a huge aspect of it after years spent ignoring it. Besides, it's best to teach leg lock safety as early as possible
@@martinhristov3670 what about competition? What level should knee bars and toe holds be allowed in Gi matches and heel hooks in No Gi?
@@stuartcooperfilms I don't like the idea of allowing them at a certain belt level due to sandbagging. I like the grappling industries method where it's decided by the amount of time you've trained. For example, if it's over 2 years, all leglocks are legal. If it's below that, then only straight ankle or kneebars
Drill from whitebelt, use from blue belt
Great video as usual 👊🏿🇬🇧
Thank you. It's just a little highlight. I have some proper short films and documentary style videos coming soon
@@stuartcooperfilms . I can’t wait to see them keep up the good work and stay safe 👊🏿
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3:17 I can never watch Craig Jones heel hooking Tex Johnson at EBI 14 too many time. What a slick entry
That has to be the slickest entry ever
On top of that watching Tex get submitted is quite satisfying
@@2011Lakeshow that as well, indeed!
Gene LeBell taught the Machado Brothers leglocks but they resisted them for a long time.
Leg locks should be taught as a basic because at the end of the day BJJ was created as a self defense martial art and leg locks have obviously been proven to be highly efficient.
Just call me Q white belts need to learn the basic passing/positions/sweeping/takedowns leg locks eliminate the need for all of those therefore I personally believe they need to be learnt and nurtured before tackling leg locks
The 8 dislikes are all wrist lockers.
Even juiced Polaris has been knocked out. Multiple times
Palhares. Jamba Juice doesn’t help protect the brain
Can't wait to try bjj post lockdown
Super Necessary.
Joe "John Daaaahnaher" Rogan
😂 no but funny
Who was the big bald guy getting his knee ripped apart??? oof that was brutal
First...nice one mate.
Thank you. Hope you enjoy the video
I don't always agree with the IBJJF but I agree with them on this one. It's 4 inches of movement to destroy a knee. There's no insurance coverage for that and prize money isnt that big. Not every country has good healthcare. And all it takes is for one Palahares type guy to sink a significant portion of your savings on medical bills.
You're also going to have mental health co-pays for depression after that heelhook keeps you away from training for six months
I miss my ACL. And life goes on.
btw no body cares when someone gets injured , trust me when a “training partner” tore my knee off with a RUclips flying scissor sweep flop. No one cared except my Wife. And that’s what happens, so make sure you really trust your training partners. Took 2 years learning how to walk and took me that long to get my 3rd stripe on my blue beltch. I mentally hit rock bottom. But crawled my ass into the position I’m in today, training with the best training partners not trying RUclips flying scissor sweeps. Instead drilling what we learn over and over and over
I always tell my students no jumping scissor takedowns in training. Ever. Jumping closed guard can be dangerous too
Gracie Barra doesn't learn leglocks until brown belt.
With the IBJJF legalising it for brown & black belt no gi, they better start learning them at least at blue or purple belt. If they start at brown belt, they’ll be a white belt in leg locks, unless they decide to only do gi competitions.
@@matthewfon3649 Might be a good idea for GB to start learning them at Purple Belt now
Our 10th Planet school showed it to us (beginners) and said was said to let it go once you locked it in, it was also said that any time when feeling something that isn't comfortable, be it any position or submission, to just tap
BTW, is that gracie barra school in LJ?
I already learned heel hook from GB 3 years back when I was still a white belt (though it was no gi class but he knew most of us were white belts) and we were allowed to use it during rolls but ofc the professor warned us of the danger and slow when using them. So mostly depends on the professors cause some others wouldn't teach them.
Wow nice BJJ at the highest level.
Fadda Jiu Jitsu, leg lockers since the 1940s
Ryan Hall be like - Ehhh 😒
I think we can move on from the, "leg locks don't work well in MMA..." meme. The newest generation of leg-lockers understand the positional aspects of the game, they're not sitting to guard and allowing folks to take a dominant top position; they're controlling the base, getting underneath their opponent and taking their balance. If they're hitting knee bars, it's often in scrambles, where, if their opponent hits them, it's usually a glancing blow. Can you get hit while going for leg submissions? Sure, but try and hit hard while not having balance/base; few fighters can do it.
Kevin Holland pretty much did this a week ago ha. Long arms though which helped him generate enough force tht the first punch tht jacare got hit with you could tell it hurt him.
@@larbear325Are you talking about the end? That was hardly a leg lock, Jacare was grabbing Holland's foot While on his knees, passively. While Jacare is an elite BJJ practitioner, I wouldn't consider him an elite leg locker. Just about every submission that's not done with back control or full mount, can put you in danger in a fight. That's why the positional aspects of each are so important.
@@Mundanesuperpower I meant more the position. He was in a position similar to tht and got koed bc Holland was able to generate enough force.
@@larbear325 this is what I'm taking about though. He wasn't in position, he wasn't even in 50/50 and that position is falling out of favor with a lot of elite leg lockers for the most part, unless it happens during a scramble.
We are going to see some leg lockers imanari roll and scissors takedown folks into heel hooks for the win, for a bit in MMA until folks get better at the leg game, then we will see a more integrated leg positional game in MMA and fighters will be training this as part of their ground game too. This has happened with so many submissions. Hell, look at arm bars in the 1990's and early 2000's. Technically, they were garbage, but fighters didn't understand the positional aspects of them. Now you have to be fairly high level BJJ to get them consistently. Same can be said for lots of subs. Even the criticism of being in guard bottom was, "you're just going to get punched in the face..." Which is true... If you don't know guard bottom. The UFC allowed Royce to prove this isn't true if you do know guard bottom. Fighter like Tonon, Ryan Hall, and others will help to change the prospective on leg locks. Watch Gordon Ryan and others who are at the top of the game and imagine throwing punches. For the most part, you'd be off-balance and be throwing them to out-time the snap of your knee.
@@Mundanesuperpower I'm always curious when people talk about bjj in mma they also use Gary, Hall and sometimes Kron. But I never here them talk about Viera I feel like hes the best current example for bjj guys transition to mma. And I think cjj kinds proves the other. Your not going to have the precision or mental fortitude while getting smacked in the face. It's one of the main reasons why Gord has never competed in cjj against the bigger guys. Him and John know there a very high chance of it getting messy and Ryan doesnt being uncomfortable.