IMS Ibiza 2017: New Order - Keynote Interview
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The founding member of the iconic 80’s English band speaks on his multi-decade career and his memories from recording one of the finest albums of 1989, Technique, on the island of Ibiza during a time when dance music was taking Balearic beat to a whole new dimension.
Bernard Sumner (New Order, Artist, UK)
Interviewed by Pete Tong (BBC Radio 1/IMS, Artist/Broadcaster, UK)
The tenth annual IMS Ibiza took place from May 24th - 26th 2017 at the Hard Rock Hotel Ibiza.
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“it seemed like a good idea at the time” is New Order’s subtitle. Brilliant interviews by Pete Tong these.
One of the best gigs I’ve been to, Jodrell Bank, “love will tear us apart” was the encore! The crowd went mad, a girl next to me was sat, On her dads shoulders about 5 singing every word! I congratulated her dad!
Brixton Ace 1983 or Miami 1989 for me.
New Order have such a reserved, down-to-earth, sophisticated image it's trippy to remember that they have a long history of being club-head party animals. But I suppose I've been naive with the Hacienda and all.
"Peter Hook, our ex bass player and a roadie called Terry..." Ooof.
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Not New Order Without Peter Hook .... He is not the ex Bass Player he is the Bass Player
God I hate Barney, what a awful man.
AND founding member !!!!!!!
love listening to Bernard, as someone who was bouncing around manchester during those times, its great to hear from the horses mouth.
I was there at all the New York Clubs and knew Ruth who was sadly killed by a taxi that crashed in to a line of clubbers outside The Limelight. Ruth brought everyone to Hurrah Club and I saw New Order at Paradise
Rusty Egan
I wouldn't say I 'knew' Ruth Polski, but met her many times when she stayed at The Columbia Hotel back in the day, a hotel that had its fair of share bands, musicians and music industry types pass through its doors. Without doubt she was one of the most pleasant, down to earth and unpretentious guests. Her death was indeed sad.
I worked at London Records in the mid 90's, worked on "Regret" and spent time with Hooky after a Duritti gig, pre-release of The Best Of? Hooky was 'ow do we meek soom fookin mooney?' I said, tour this album, he said 'never gonna fookin 'appen!' Toxic back then, and a bloody shame! He mentioned that to me also
Very didn't like to talk about Hooky. It's not new order without him. Wonder what went on with these guys? They need their heads banging together! Life is too short.
Nobody ever said "It's not New Order without Gillian!".
A bit unfair, I would say. And in all seriousness, Tom Chapman is actually a very talented bass player. Sure, not as charismatic and extrovert as Hooky, but Tom plays his part very well.
Read Hooky's book about New Order and you'll find out why. Really puts Barney in another light but he's still one of my heroes.
I already planned on buying both the books of Hooky and Bernard, but they are so expensive. -.-
EXITMUSIC2011 I put up the money for Substance but haven't been able to find a copy of Barney's and haven't had the money for Hooky's about Joy Division
I am definitely going to buy Hooky's first book and Bernard's book, to make some kind of fair comparison.
If I recall correctly, Hooky wrote two books already, but that second book has to wait.
There is even a German translation of Barney's book, but although I am a German fan, I will not buy it, simply because it kinda distorts the whole experience of reading it for the first time.
Says new order...
But only 1 guy being interviewed
Great interview. Loved that .
"Peter Hook, our ex bass player" - Fucking hell...
N C-K he should only be so lucky to have that title
Everyone have their valid argument. Peter seems like a honest guy, so does Sumner.
I don't appreciate the way this guy tries to erase Peter Hook from history
Hooky doesn't give a fuck, He's making a mint selling t-shirts touring his tribute act.
WTF?!"This guy"=Bernard Sumner is not trying to erase Peter Hook from history.Not at all. Do some more research!He decided to leave in 2007 and you want Sumner to talk all day long until he collapses about how great Hooky was and still is?Do people spend precious time for the rest of their lives talking about the qualities of their exes?Don't be ridiculous,Hook is still (in the) history and will always be.Nobody is erasing him as a musician,nobody is trying to erase him!I wish,instead,somebody would erase the amount of tears Gillian Gilbert/Morris shed whenever Hooky said/wrote nasty and ugly things about her after he left.Ask Stephen Morris about it how Peter did hurt and "bite" Gillian like a mad dog with his greatness.And he did some cruel things to all of them even when he was still in the band.What's all this endless shit with Hooky seen as the Jesus of New Order,crucified by Bernard and the others?Many people feeling sad because Bernard said in this interview "Peter Hook,our ex bass player and a roadie called Terry." Hook is New Order's ex bass player,Tom Chapman is New Order's bass player for many years.Can't all these people see the reality,desperate trying to see Hook instead of Chapman?And Terry Mason was one of their roadies indeed.
So good... he went there!
Who went where?
Haha.. Bernard did. In that he did not hold back on juicy stories.
Fine Time still sounds great.
He's forgot about the party underneath the Hacienda after New Order's G-Mex gig in December 1988. Fantastic sound system [sounded better than the one in the actual club] a strobe and a smoke machine. Mike Pickering and Mike Prendergast as MPsquared DJing. Started after the gig finished, ended sometime the following morning. Proper early acid house action.
Technique in Ibiza 1988/89
Great album
Brasil 🇧🇷🙋♂️
New Order's music is really important to many, Including myself. Bernard Sumner is of course is a critical part of the story and I will always hold him in high regard, but, if there is one thing that comes across is that oh my goodness he holds a grudge doesn't he... not referring to Peter Hook as Hooky (like everybody in the world does) or acknowledging what he brought to the New Order sound and calling Terry Mason just a "Roadie" when he was so much more involved with the history of the band than that seems really very petty and demeaning, it's like saying that Stephen is just a drummer or Gillian is just a keyboard player and as for Tom and Phil, they are just hired hands.
Hooky says in his book (the one we don't discuss) that Barny acted like it was his band... looks like he's right.
Ole Bernie looking like the CEO of Apple 😊
Without Hooky this band has turned into Synth MOR.
BS
And 2 years later Live at MIF became one of their finest records...
Loved the question about 24 hour party people and Control. Those were great movies hope they make a New Order movie some day.
Do a sgt peppery thing with barney in a tutu, hooky dressed as a flintstone, gillian as the background and steve in somerset smock sitting on a village wall and swinging his legs...
54:10 What you’re probably looking for
Such a shame
Thank you, that’s sad 💔
What a waste to not ask about working with Johnny Marr and what happened with Electronic.
Perfect 👍
That wasn't Bernard Sumner, but an impostor. Whoever that man was, he was drinking WATER from a WINE GLASS.
In fairness, that seems like a very Bernard Sumner thing to do.
and shilling false flags
kristianTV1974 It's probably Vodka
After reading Hooky's book and re-listening to the breadth of Barney's work with Joy Division and New Order...he is one of my guitar heroes but he is a confirmed twat
kristianTV1974 Indeed, looks like Bernie's dentist
i definitely like Bernard Sumner's detached voice
Drugs.
me too. but it was so much nicer and smoother and gentler until about 15 years ago. he's pretty much lost his singing voice.
He "wanted a yacht" is what he said in another interview about what he wanted out of Joy Division\New Order and the late great Tony Wilson gave them a club instead. I'm 100% with Tony Wilson - he MADE them in the first place by putting them on TV and promoting them. Tony Wilson was a poet - a real one who instead of using words made his visions real and in the process he put Manchester on the map on the world stage. None of them have done that bad out of it - all are well known and part of the legend that Tony Wilson helped to craft from a bunch of working class lads on the make.
Cool Interview
however much i love NO ive lost a lot of respect for BS. Hook, like Alan Wilder in DM got zero respect. Bernard - there can be no joy division without ian curtis and no NO without peter hook. plus hooky is one of th funniest men in rock history. when blue monday first dropped all you remembered was the bass. give the man his respect
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How did New Order become interested in electronic music? What a stupid bloody question.
Ian Curtis was also pivotal about showing the band Kraftwerk and other earlier electronic acts before his death.
Litigation with Hook over what is New Order and the last answer becomes, hypothetical, was there even ever a body called New Order that, 6 days to make the first album, three years to make among the last albums, is we or is we ain’t our body-of-work? Scoff. I’m truly saddened you went with your head and not your heart.
clubbing was fashionable back the Petey T, you woke up and smelt the coffee years later son
I bought Technique on CD, my first NO album in that format, when it came out, and I played it, played it, played it. One of the best studio albums from NO, imo. Oh, yeah, in 1990, as an American tourist visiting Manchester, I was turned away by "security" from entering the Hacienda, with a "sorry, mate, not like that (how you are dressed)". Pretentious twats.
how were you dressed?
First CD I ever bought as well mate and I think those bouncers probably did you a favour mate
Those might have been the gangsters who started running the door. I wouldn't take it too personally.
Pete Tongs not a natural host is he.
Pete Tong, nice hair transplant you've got there!He can't stop touching it😧
Is it really..???
Nearly 60 years old and still so immature about accepting the shortcomings of others. I feel sorry for the remaining three in that light. It remains one of the reasons I think they will all be dead before the group's possibly make the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame. Until then it is actually Faux Order.
It's a conundrum for me. I've never been a fan of Bernard Sumner and kind of despise him but the whole New Order sound, their place in modern culture, my personal love of and experience with their music, and of course the Joy Division roots, firmly plants New Order as an important piece of my personal life.
They would fucking hate being in the rock n roll Hall of fame lol
Well….
New order without peter hook is absolute crap Barney cant even sing anymore
Blue Monday
The more l hear about 18 to 30s holiday goers the less l like them
I really think New Order really lost it at about the time of the (bloody awful) World in Motion track. A good recovery with Republic but it's been downhill ever since. And off a cliff post Hook.
Downhill ever since? Tell me with a straight face that Crystal, 60 Miles an Hour, Someone Like You, I Told You So, Vicious Streak, Close Range, Dracula's Castle, Who's Joe?, Guilt Is A Useless Emotion, Hellbent, Restless, Academic, Tutti Frutti, Superheated, People on the High Line, Plastic and Singularity are all bad songs that suck!
+BenniRoR. Why I'm not surprise reading your stupidity? There are some truth in you're opinion here, unfortunately you don't have the wisdom to comprehend what song is good what song is shit. I heard from many like you, the once think they know everything but they don't know any shit, only stupid people act arrogant don't forget that.
Yeah, just start insulting me for no fucking reason. This could have been a cool, nice conversation about a great band, but no: you have to make this into a fight. Of course.
Why am I stupid for liking these songs? Does that make me a bad person? Why am I lacking the wisdom to comprehend which songs are good and bad? So you are a wise and old man who is cunning enough to tell which songs are likeable and which songs should be despised?
"I heard from many like you, the once think they know everything but they don't know any shit, only stupid people act arrogant don't forget that."
And what does that even MEAN? I heard every album from New Order, from Movement to Music Complete and I pretty much liked every album they ever released. Do I have to ask you first wether or not I am allowed to like a song?
And why the heck am I arrogant? I just made a list of songs that I find hard to dislike and now I am arrogant?
WHAT?!
+BenniRoR. I never claim I was wisen old man! if smart asses like you had little wisdom you could have found New Odor long ago. Have you heard that good saying laugh the one who laugh the last, and last the laugh belongs to me. People like you trucking me to other channels all over the youtube, you know that is the job of CIA, who else does that beside CIA? After all that what do you want me say, why in the world dick heads like you will do that following me to other channel;s and leave nasty comments? Do you have any explanations for that insulting me in other channels?
You know, I expected this kind of answer. You probably didn't even read my whole comment. You are just full of hate. But that is always the case with the fellow Hooky-lovers. Go on and keep on clinging to the old times. I enjoy every aspect of New Order.
But answer me a couple of things:
-Why am I a smartass?
-When did I track you on RUclips? I never fucking met and I never saw you on RUclips before.
You must under some kind of heavy psychological condition, or maybe you mistook me for someone else. I don't know.
And what do you even mean by: "if smart asses like you had little wisdom you could have found New Odor long ago"
I listen to New Order since a couple of years now. When did anyone ever say anything about the time he has been listening to the band? Not once.
Pete Tong (5:22) "One of the great New Order records, Confusion...". Lol. Probably their worst ever records.
Confusion is jacking, play that bitch on a phat sound system and you'll understand.