I recognize that this video is more than likely going to create the witch hunt so I obviously am going to have to pull together each individual's highlight list of sus clips I'll drop that later. Also the demo of the dude using rage Hacks on the BTB map he is hiding the fact that he has walls as well. That's What they mean by stream proof. (Also notice all the streamers that turned rebroadcasts off most of them(not all) are using the stream proof version of the cheat without the aimbot)
@@TennisGvy Yes, it just takes a ton of time to record each of the plays and then edit it without wasting people's time. I'm fairly sure its most players in the HCS so I obviously just need to show a few obvious ones, But it is in the works.
Great work. It's exhausting explaining the minor nuances in movement and positioning, that are dead giveaways of cheating, to folks who may not have top tier skills at the game, and thus not know what or how to look for these things. This breakdown in a masterclass and can literally be translated to any PVP shooter on the market, seeing as they ALL suffer the same problem of being overwhelmed by cheaters. And most cheaters are so trash at these games, they don't have any clue how to actually hide it.
I'm hella skeptical of most of your points, don't think Lethul is cheating, I agree any of them could be theoretically, just didn't see anything overly sus from Lethul, remember these guys play a lot and Lethul is the OG of OGs. However, in saying that 'these guys play a lot' WTF was that Mortally clip at 23:00 , EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN'T SEE GLASS FROM THERE!!! Why would a pro, who plays all day, jiggle peak and shoot at an angle that doesn't exist at a guy he can't see but never the less happens to be directly behind the wall!!??!!?? Bro that pre fire right there says everything!!!! If I get a callout top glass I got check from top contol or to the right of the pillar or go to the left but you gotta walk up to the low doorway then. Fucking nobody jiggle peaks like that and prefires a nonexistent angle like that AT ANY RANK!!! LET ALONE A PRO, PLAYING ALL FUCKING DAY!!! NGL, I thought you were crazy but that Mortally clip got me buzzin' LIKE BRO IZ WALL HACKING FOR REAL!?!?!?!? Dude, I'm fuckin' creeped out rn.
Playing this game is pretty frustrating. Primarily because as an Xbox player, I can feel the advantage that pc players are getting against me in-game. Pc players have better shot registration, higher frame rates, they eat shots, potential for cheating with walls, and getting shot registration through walls (maybe because frame rate). I would love to try this game on a pc just to see what I’m missing. 😅
Here's something to think about, Monster clearly has the most sus on him for being a possible cheater due to how he is the best player online but the worst on lan (like actually), it makes him mega sus. Then when you get SSG and FaZe (both top teams) picking him up in online tournies to sub in and they still win (SSG won with him online) or get a top placing (FaZe got 3rd with him), it makes all the other pros be like "well... fk that, he just won with cheats on" and now the odds of other pros picking up cheating increases due to a cheater getting away with victory or placing well. Imo a game having a bad anticheat and still having online tournies is a trash format. The game is a joke due to it.
That's where I am coming from I feel like everyone basically decided let's smash the easy button there is nothing in place to guarantee they can't cheat online. I mean mortally has been auto invited to pool play every tournament hasn't taken a single game. liquipedia.net/halo/Mortally
Good breakdown. If you do more could you let the engagements play out in their entirety? It was a little hard to follow with pausing. Maybe let it play out full then go back and pick it apart. I wonder if you could look at suspected players' online vs LAN stats and see if they're consistent.
can say even watching Optic, and since we legit get to see formal stream, i watched him yesterday, if i had seen this shit i would have noticed f sure, its so blatant, even low level Dimond's can track two players when two are next to each other, some times aim assist fuckes you but not to the extent it seems to with them. great video would love a break down of these guys on lan where i assume its impossible for them to use cheats? and compare the difference to online play
I used to try to compete back in h5 a long time ago, the difference between online play and lan is so massive as far as watching people get caught off guard and just the overall feeling that you are watching things that just aren't possible on lan.
After watching your entire video, and as a long time Halo player, I don't see evidence to suggest Lethul was cheating. You can switch targets at the speed he was at ATM. Him turning for the guy blue pipes could be attributed to Precision calling it out. Now Precision did seem to react to Mortally moving underneath with his reticle placement. The Melee engagement with Manny looked a bit strange. Mortally shooting top glass perfectly was 100% sus. It wasn't even proper reticle placement. Seemed reactive to him being one shot on a health bar. As for Kuhlect, perhaps they knew there was one more alive in their hiding so they waited. Dont want to give up shock by moving forward and risk getting crossed at all. And stat wise, from H5 to Halo i, maybe he just got better. I agree there are players cheating in these online tournaments, and this is a huge problem for Halo Infinite overall! When i play online, I confuse wallers by sprinting erradically behind walls. Thats actually saved my life and bought me time, and helped me get a first shot Lol. Its that bad.
U know how u fix this problem ? Just make xbox the only tool for online play and thats it ..... u fix a lot of headaches and make the game trust worth again ....... for the few peope who still play the game
I was Top 200 hcs in halo 5 I used to play a lot. Also it's more than likely he will see this at some point or another because it's fairly likely this will make its way around.
Cheating is such a huge problem in this game in mm, the fact any given player could be a cheater just makes the game, and most PvP games nowadays, feel like a total waste of time.
What I dont understand about your claims is how certain you are that they're cheating. You don't know what comms are being called out, you don't know what each player is thinking, and you're not thinking about the fact that there's only a certain number of areas an enemy can come from. When you play the game everyday for 6 hours, you get a really good idea of where enemies go and what their tendencies are. These are 2 teams that have probably played each other hundreds of times. They know what each others strengths and weaknesses are. Also the fact that this game is played only on PC now means that players have aim trained for thousands of hours (by playing actual games of halo) and they have settings that help them more than any settings ever have in the history of video games. PC has made aiming so easy that people think they're cheating. Those are things I think you should take more seriously, especially the first part of my comment.
I used to play a this level on previous halo titles ones without walls and it's fairly obvious that something is wrong when you see players in MM obviously walling in matches from D6-through high onyx. It's the small details you have to pay attention to like information that could be called out or inferences that can be concluded to from tons of games. This play that happens in this game is neither of those. The fact that you see mortally shooting the wall directly where bubudubu is the moment you should be questioning every detail that is going on in this match.
I recognize that this video is more than likely going to create the witch hunt so I obviously am going to have to pull together each individual's highlight list of sus clips I'll drop that later.
Also the demo of the dude using rage Hacks on the BTB map he is hiding the fact that he has walls as well. That's What they mean by stream proof. (Also notice all the streamers that turned rebroadcasts off most of them(not all) are using the stream proof version of the cheat without the aimbot)
Are you ever going to do that?
@@TennisGvy Yes, it just takes a ton of time to record each of the plays and then edit it without wasting people's time. I'm fairly sure its most players in the HCS so I obviously just need to show a few obvious ones, But it is in the works.
Great work. It's exhausting explaining the minor nuances in movement and positioning, that are dead giveaways of cheating, to folks who may not have top tier skills at the game, and thus not know what or how to look for these things. This breakdown in a masterclass and can literally be translated to any PVP shooter on the market, seeing as they ALL suffer the same problem of being overwhelmed by cheaters. And most cheaters are so trash at these games, they don't have any clue how to actually hide it.
I'm hella skeptical of most of your points, don't think Lethul is cheating, I agree any of them could be theoretically, just didn't see anything overly sus from Lethul, remember these guys play a lot and Lethul is the OG of OGs. However, in saying that 'these guys play a lot' WTF was that Mortally clip at 23:00 , EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN'T SEE GLASS FROM THERE!!! Why would a pro, who plays all day, jiggle peak and shoot at an angle that doesn't exist at a guy he can't see but never the less happens to be directly behind the wall!!??!!?? Bro that pre fire right there says everything!!!! If I get a callout top glass I got check from top contol or to the right of the pillar or go to the left but you gotta walk up to the low doorway then. Fucking nobody jiggle peaks like that and prefires a nonexistent angle like that AT ANY RANK!!! LET ALONE A PRO, PLAYING ALL FUCKING DAY!!! NGL, I thought you were crazy but that Mortally clip got me buzzin' LIKE BRO IZ WALL HACKING FOR REAL!?!?!?!? Dude, I'm fuckin' creeped out rn.
Ya most the other ones are whatever......but that one is definitely sus.
Playing this game is pretty frustrating. Primarily because as an Xbox player, I can feel the advantage that pc players are getting against me in-game. Pc players have better shot registration, higher frame rates, they eat shots, potential for cheating with walls, and getting shot registration through walls (maybe because frame rate).
I would love to try this game on a pc just to see what I’m missing. 😅
Here's something to think about, Monster clearly has the most sus on him for being a possible cheater due to how he is the best player online but the worst on lan (like actually), it makes him mega sus. Then when you get SSG and FaZe (both top teams) picking him up in online tournies to sub in and they still win (SSG won with him online) or get a top placing (FaZe got 3rd with him), it makes all the other pros be like "well... fk that, he just won with cheats on" and now the odds of other pros picking up cheating increases due to a cheater getting away with victory or placing well. Imo a game having a bad anticheat and still having online tournies is a trash format. The game is a joke due to it.
That's where I am coming from I feel like everyone basically decided let's smash the easy button there is nothing in place to guarantee they can't cheat online. I mean mortally has been auto invited to pool play every tournament hasn't taken a single game. liquipedia.net/halo/Mortally
Good breakdown. If you do more could you let the engagements play out in their entirety? It was a little hard to follow with pausing. Maybe let it play out full then go back and pick it apart. I wonder if you could look at suspected players' online vs LAN stats and see if they're consistent.
I played against you and with you randomly a lot in H5. Haha good times.
can say even watching Optic, and since we legit get to see formal stream, i watched him yesterday, if i had seen this shit i would have noticed f sure, its so blatant, even low level Dimond's can track two players when two are next to each other, some times aim assist fuckes you but not to the extent it seems to with them. great video would love a break down of these guys on lan where i assume its impossible for them to use cheats? and compare the difference to online play
I used to try to compete back in h5 a long time ago, the difference between online play and lan is so massive as far as watching people get caught off guard and just the overall feeling that you are watching things that just aren't possible on lan.
After watching your entire video, and as a long time Halo player, I don't see evidence to suggest Lethul was cheating. You can switch targets at the speed he was at ATM. Him turning for the guy blue pipes could be attributed to Precision calling it out. Now Precision did seem to react to Mortally moving underneath with his reticle placement. The Melee engagement with Manny looked a bit strange. Mortally shooting top glass perfectly was 100% sus. It wasn't even proper reticle placement. Seemed reactive to him being one shot on a health bar. As for Kuhlect, perhaps they knew there was one more alive in their hiding so they waited. Dont want to give up shock by moving forward and risk getting crossed at all. And stat wise, from H5 to Halo i, maybe he just got better.
I agree there are players cheating in these online tournaments, and this is a huge problem for Halo Infinite overall!
When i play online, I confuse wallers by sprinting erradically behind walls. Thats actually saved my life and bought me time, and helped me get a first shot Lol. Its that bad.
U know how u fix this problem ? Just make xbox the only tool for online play and thats it ..... u fix a lot of headaches and make the game trust worth again ....... for the few peope who still play the game
PC HALO IS GAY AF
Interesting. Looks like BBB covering COD streamers cheating. Not only are they making money in tourneys but ppl subscribing/donating
What is your ranking... Your profile is private... What if I show this to kulect?
I was Top 200 hcs in halo 5 I used to play a lot. Also it's more than likely he will see this at some point or another because it's fairly likely this will make its way around.
Cheating is such a huge problem in this game in mm, the fact any given player could be a cheater just makes the game, and most PvP games nowadays, feel like a total waste of time.
What I dont understand about your claims is how certain you are that they're cheating. You don't know what comms are being called out, you don't know what each player is thinking, and you're not thinking about the fact that there's only a certain number of areas an enemy can come from. When you play the game everyday for 6 hours, you get a really good idea of where enemies go and what their tendencies are. These are 2 teams that have probably played each other hundreds of times. They know what each others strengths and weaknesses are. Also the fact that this game is played only on PC now means that players have aim trained for thousands of hours (by playing actual games of halo) and they have settings that help them more than any settings ever have in the history of video games. PC has made aiming so easy that people think they're cheating. Those are things I think you should take more seriously, especially the first part of my comment.
I used to play a this level on previous halo titles ones without walls and it's fairly obvious that something is wrong when you see players in MM obviously walling in matches from D6-through high onyx. It's the small details you have to pay attention to like information that could be called out or inferences that can be concluded to from tons of games. This play that happens in this game is neither of those. The fact that you see mortally shooting the wall directly where bubudubu is the moment you should be questioning every detail that is going on in this match.
So both teams walling?
Yes it's most of the competitive teams in the league in these online tournaments.
Absolute bs if true. Not to mention all the other people likely using this in ranked arena matchmaking if it’s that undetectable.