With regards to the Greek Petros/Petra, Jesus did not talk to his disciples in Greek, he spoke Aramaic which was the language of Palestine. In Aramaic, the word for rock is Kepha. What was said: “Thou art Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my church”. In Aramaic, the word kepha has the same ending if it is referred to a rock or a man’s name. In the Greek translation, this posed a problem. The word for rock, petra, is feminine in gender. The translator could use it for the second appearance of kepha, but not the first. It would be inappropriate to give a man a feminine name. So, he put a masculine ending on it, and there was Petros. In In Aramaic, as well as in English this word does not make this distinction. It would simply be: “Thou art Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church”.
AMEN BROTHER! At another level, Simon's name change recalls the OT episodes where God renamed Abram as Abraham and Jacob as Israel Peter now stands in this biblical tradition where new names signify new God-given roles in salvation history. In Peter's case, Jesus designates him the foundation stone of the New Covenant Church🙌🏼
Greg " With regards to the Greek Petros/Petra, Jesus did not talk to his disciples in Greek, he spoke Aramaic which was the language of Palestine. " Where does Scripture say that Jesus spoke only Aramaic? It doesn't. He spoke with Roman soldiers who would have spoken Green or Latin. Jesus raised men from the dead, gave sight to the blind, healed the sick, made the lame walk, turned water into wine, fed thousands from a basket of fish and bread, and he walked on water. Are you saying he could only speak one language, something the bible never addresses? That's a Roman Catholic assumption. Jesus most likely spoke whatever language he needed to speak. He is God.
@@rickdavis2235 You're right, as God, Jesus could speak whatever language that He wanted to but His apostles could not. A few could probably speak Greek, but not all of them but they all could speak the native language of Aramaic. So if Jesus was speaking Latin or Greek to His apostles, it would be counter-productive.
@@GR65330 So the Apostles spread the Gospel all over the biblical theater only speaking Aramaic? You have to deny or ignore too much in order to make your argument. It's the same thing we see when Roman Catholics support their many false doctrines. Just ignore what doesn't fit.
I loosen oneself from the gates of hades to prevail in my life, the lives of my family, my friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those where the gates of hades prevail, loosening oneself of every denial of insanity of any evildoer serving satan, in accordance with matthew 16:18, isaiah 54:17, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
History attested that the Catholic (Universal) Church never started during Pentecost for there is only ONE CHURCH built/founded by Christ Jesus in the 1st Cent. A.D. which is the "CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS" that was written in the Bible... The CATHOLIC (Universal) Churches was founded and established only in the 4th Century under the Roman Emperor Constantine... called the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... the word CATHOLIC (Universal) had never been written in the Bible or used by the early 7-Churches in Asia Minor (presently Turkey)... The Early 7-Churches in Asia Minor never ever called their Christian Churches, CATHOLIC (Universal) Church... Why the word CATHOLIC (Universal) was used?... because at that time (4th Cent. A.D.), when the Latin-speaking Christians (Western Churches of the early 4th Cent. A.D.) and Greek-speaking Christians (Eastern Orthodox Churches of the 2nd Cent. A.D.) became UNITED during the conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine who stopped the persecution of the Christians and adopted CHRISTIANITY in the Roman Empire... thus, the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH was invented/ created/founded... When the Great SCHISM of 1054 A.D. broke (total split) between the Latin/Western Roman Church and Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church, the name CATHOLIC stayed with the Western Roman Churches which should be LITERALLY no longer UNIVERAL (Catholic) in that sense... however, the name stayed that way till now... Logically speaking, how can we now say the word "CATHOLIC" (Universal) if the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church no longer recognizes the LEADERSHIP of the PAPACY and some of the POPE's Doctrines up to this day?...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church called their Head Elder Brother, "BISHOP" which literally means Spiritual "OVERSEERS" (Episcopal), and not called POPE/PAPA (Spiritual Father) which is forbidden and against the teaching of the Bible... The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to the practice of the Spoken/Oral Traditions and Written (Epistles) Doctrines interpretation of the Early 7 Churches in Asia Minor during the 1st Cent. A.D. mentioned in the Book of Revelation... After the Great SCHISM, the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is still been persecuted up to this day in the Middle East and other parts of the World while on the other hand, the Western Roman CATHOLIC Church persecuted many Christians as early as the 12th Cent. A.D. that resulted in PROTESTANTISM in the 16th Cent. A.D.... Aside from that, the R.C.C. now has SIGNED a JOINT-RELIGION with ISLAM (Muslims) and JUDAISM (Israelite Jews) called the "ABRAHAMIC RELIGION" (3 Religion United as One)... just last year, 2023... Facts and Truth, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
Mathew 16:18-19 needs to be understood in the context of the Davidic Kingdom. Jesus, as the Son of David, establishes His Church in accordance with the Davidic Kingdom. In 1 Kings 4:7, King Solomon had 12 officers to rule over Israel. Jesus had 12 Apostles which were picked by him to rule over His Church after He ascended into heaven. The Davidic Kingdom also had a prime minister who had the absolute authority of the King. In Isaiah 22:15-24 God is angry with his prime minister Shebna, and will replace him with Eliakim, who will be given the keys to the Kingdom, and will have the power to open and shut, who will be a father figure to his people, and who will be a sure peg on a throne of honor to his father. The whole weight of his father’s house shall rest on him. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of God (Mathew 16:18-19), a symbol of authority prefigured by Eliakim in the OT. Peter and his successors have the power to bind and loose (open and shut) in the name of Jesus, from Matthew 18:18. The entire weight of the Catholic Church rests on the Pope and his teachings, just like the entire weight of David's house rested on Eliakim. This interpretation of Mathew 16 is verified by the writings of the early Church fathers.
'eliakim' is a hebrew name that means "God raises" or "God sets up"...names have meaning in Gods Word, who did God raise UP? Who is the only door to God? Christ Jesus himself, as in john 24:27 Jesus is pointed to throughout the Torah, isaiah 22:22 is describing Jesus, which aligns with revelation 3:7...the Truth that Jesus is the Christ is the Rock
Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! .... You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ...... Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read: And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1). The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions: These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7). Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating: He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16). Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18). As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches. Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15). Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12). Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
Jesus was referring the rock on which they stood when conversing. It doesn’t matter if Jesus meant Peter as the rock or not, all that matters is he handed his keys to Peter. God gave Peter the revelation that Jesus was the Messiah and because God revealed it to Peter Jesus knew that meant he was chosen to carry on the church after his death and resurrection. Peter was the most human of the disciples. He sinned and denied, as humans do. Jesus chose him and was clear in his words. Every passage has intent from the divine. Trying to disprove what has been made clear because you’ve fallen away from or hate Jesus’ church (Catholic Church) only takes away from you in his kingdom as it says in John.
And a few verses later Christ rebukes Peter and calls him Satan. Matthew 16:23 ESV [23] But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”
How do you know about the rock they were standing on? Are you just making that up to prove your idea, because a different point of view hurts your feelings, or is there any evidence of that? It doesn't matter? Seriously? If the Bible is a Word of God, every word matters. It just seems to me that you are just trying to hold your belief, ignoring facts, sorry.
Thank you! Throughout the Bible, the rock has always been Jesus. And even a couple of chapters down, Jesus was not just speaking to Peter, but to all his disciples ""whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven..." Mat 16:23 Jesus even rebuked Peter.
So the bible says, it was at that point, that Jesus decided he needed to go to jerusalem and he knew about his destination, it was only a question of when to go. And the right time to go was, when Peter (and the disciples) understood, that he is the christ. And why does he need to know? To tell
If you are a born again child of God, you have the keys to heaven via prayer and faith. Jesus said you have not because you ask not. Because the veil was rent in two from TOP to bottom, we now don't have to go through a high priest to go before the throne of God. We can come to Him boldly and ask what we will. What man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Jesus said If ye ABIDE IN ME, AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you, and ALL things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
@@damayfield1 then why should Jesus waste his time by given the name Peter to Simon if it carry no value to him.. That too after he has give the correct answer... Means his answer that Jesus is Christ was in vein and is name Peter also in vein... Then is better for Peter to stick with his old name Simon meaning Listen (at least he still listen to God than a Rock without value)
@@rodriquenongkynrih6665 you are assuming that there is no value in the name “rock.” That’s not at all the point. There’s plenty of value in it. It’s just to say, Jesus isn’t calling him the foundation. To say Peter is the foundation of the church is blasphemous.
@@rodriquenongkynrih6665 there’s strength in a name. Having been renamed by Jesus, Peter would have gained strength in that name. It’s just like the sons of thunder. There’s power in a name. Nevertheless, you will have a tremendously difficult time showing that Peter was the foundation of the church. It’s antithetical to the whole message of Scripture. And practically speaking, Paul had a far more Effective ministry than Peter did.
This translation is a fantastic reason to accept papal succession. Honestly it's a solid argument for Catholicism and most of the strongest arguments against Catholicism acknowledge other reasons that the feminine and masculine words were made. A small rock is the same in matter as a big rock. The church is built on something the same as Peter but greater- the succession of the see of Peter aka the pope
They were on a huge rock formation...there is no "play" on words...you don't get to choose which parts of Scripture you can say is a play on words because that is what you're doing. Matthew 16:13 mentions Caesarea Philppi which is very significant to Matthew 16:18. Read your bibles people and not just listen to what just anyone says even if they have a fancy degree.
Kevin, the exegesis is sound. Any contorting of Scripture to make the passage say, “Peter will be the pope” is a far cry from good reason. I understand there’s a large emotional component to this discussion, but truth is black and white. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus built his church on Peter. Otherwise he’d have said, “You are Petros, and on you I will build my church.”
@@damayfield1 It was play on words, most scholars would agree with this. Simon's name was changed to Kephas (Aramaic for rock) in John 1:42. When Matthew wrote his Gospel, he wrote in Greek where there are gender specific nouns, so he could not use "petra" because it was feminine, so he used "petros" which is masculine. It had absolutely nothing to do with a small vs. large rock as many try to say, Matthew was simply using the Greek language properly. Jesus play on words was directed to Peter alone, showing that it was to be Peter upon whom Jesus would build His church upon. Not that Peter is THE ROCK in the same way Jesus is called the ROCK or CORNERSTONE, but as the human leader of Jesus' church. Peter isn't taking anything away from Jesus by being called a rock also, because we know that the Bible also calls the Twelve Apostles "foundations" in Rev. 21:14.
@@jzak5723 The rhetoric and flow of argument and play on words does NOT lend itself to Jesus meaning, “I’m building my church on you.” This is terrible exegesis, given the entire point of Matthew’s gospel-to prove that Jesus is the Christ. That fact, which Matthew forms his entire gospel on, is culminated in Peter’s statement in Matthew 16. His use of the demonstrative pronoun “upon THIS rock” indicates he’s not talking to Peter. He’s looking at Peter and saying, “You are Peter, and on THIS rock (something other than Peter) I will build my church.” This is all besides the fact that in secular Greek literature, there is an often distinct difference drawn between the meaning of petros and Petra. And I don’t think it can be stated with absolute fact that Jesus and his disciples were speaking in Aramaic all the time. Jesus’ disciples were uneducated men who most assuredly would’ve spoken the common Greek language. The Catholic argument to the contrary is nonsense, considering every New Testament writing is in GREEK.
@@damayfield1 Jesus undoubtedly spoke multiple languages, but the consensus among scholars is that he more likely than not would have used Aramaic as his everyday language. Neither you or I can absolutely prove it one way or the other because we were not present. quote; . His use of the demonstrative pronoun “upon THIS rock” indicates he’s not talking to Peter. He’s looking at Peter and saying, “You are Peter, and on THIS rock (something other than Peter) I will build my church.” The use of the demonstrative "THIS" can be used to refer to the same person previously mentioned or alluded to, in this case, PETER. It doesn't have to refer to someone or something else.
@@jzak5723 " Jesus undoubtedly spoke multiple languages, but the consensus among scholars is that he more likely than not would have used Aramaic as his everyday language. Neither you or I can absolutely prove it one way or the other because we were not present. " This argument is nothing more than hoping. Every verese of Scripture must evaluated in light of the totality of Scripture. What does the rest of the Bible say about Peter being a pope or the papacy? Nothing! It's nothing more than hoping for something that just isn't.
He's clearly speaking to Simon Peter about Simon Peter, as illustrative as ever for a Man used to speaking in parables, so even the most ignorant could understand...then run that through all your various languages and translations, and you have to try and suss out meaning. But the meaning is clear. Upon Simon Peter. And He did.
Nope. His church was “built on the apostles and prophets, Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.” I hate seeing Christians who develop extremely tedious and complex theologies on single verses which have multiple possible meanings to them. A man left alone on a desert island with nothing but a Bible would never come up with the Catholic Church. Years of tradition and false teachings have perpetuated something that should be taken down.
David Shepard " He's clearly speaking to Simon Peter about Simon Peter, " The context of the entire passage is about the identity of Jesus, not Peter. Matthew 16:13 13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
It is obviously clear that the text refers to Peter’s knowledge coming from God through the Holy Spirit And Jesus will build his Church on the foundation of this truth However we do not see Keys again (plural) until mentioned again in Revelation 1:18 ….”and I have the keys of death and of Hades” There are two deaths mentioned in scripture. Therefore there must be two kingdoms of God One through the Holy Spirit on earth and the other through the Holy Spirit in the Kingdom of God. Whatever is bound or forbidden and whatever is loosened or permitted . On a side note :- Brings me to Acts where Peter’s vision of the unclean animals, to go and eat - caused Peter to reply with “surely not” -- as it was forbidden. Somehow my understanding is that in order for the gentiles to have been accepted Peter would have to permit it to be so. Because Peter held the keys through the Holy Spirit to loosening and binding.
Also I appreciate that you mentioned that “Hell” is not the correct word translated. I was wondering if you could share with me on why it’s not the correct translated word? And where I can look into that some more. Because I have some friends that KJVOist and one of there arguments is that the KJV is the perfect translation of the Bible. “That’s why KJV is the only word of Gods” and not the ESV, NET, NKJV or any other translations is not the word of God. Another one of there arguments is that “ There is only one God so there should only be one translation or Bible. And that Christians need to be consistent with one Bible/translation thro the years/generation”
Even if Jesus is saying that He will build His church on Peter, He doesn't say that subsequent Christians may elect successors to Peter who will inherit that promise. If earlier Christians adopted the same form as secular political organization with kings and lesser nobility, in the church being pope and ecclesiastical hierarchy, that doesn't necessarily mean that Christ has established that ancient form in the era of democracies.
Catholics have the right to say that Peter is the Rock Foundation/Corner Stone of the Roman Catholic Church, 100% correct... but definitely NOT the Rock (Corner Stone) for which the Church of God was established (built upon) by/thru Christ Jesus, around 2000 years ago (1st Cent. A.D.)... Amen
Not 100% correct. From what I’ve seen through research is that Peter founded the Greek Orthodox Church. NOT the Catholic Church. There’s no biblical justification of saying that Peter founded the Catholic Church. Unless you want to account for Jesus Christ telling Peter… get behind me Satan! If you know the Bible you know exactly which scripture in Matthew it is, and you know the reason why he said it. If you need to ask, then you don’t know the Bible. I have a feeling that Jewish Sadducee’s are somehow related to the Catholic Church. But I have no definitive proof. Although I’m willing to discuss it with you. Read the letters of Paul and who they were directed to. That’s a good place for you to start.
Matthew 17:22 And Jesus said unto them, BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEF: for verily I say unto you, IF YOU HAVE “FAITH” as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, IF YOU HAD “FAITH” as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.(Mark 4:30-32). Jesus make clearly that the FAITH of His disciples was smaller than the mostly small seed. And that was after 3 years having Him as their greatest Teacher. Then WHAT can be called as FAITH if even His church of disciples was NOT ABLE to have FAITH after 3 years having Jesus as their greatest Teacher ?. Thinking about the right answer please don’t forget Bible verses making clearly to see even that mostly small FAITH of His church as totally PREVAILED(destroyed) seeing Jesus CRUCIFIED. WHY ??? And WHAT they was not able to have AS FAITH seeing Jesus AS CHRIST CRUCIFIED ??? And then after cross WHAT FUNDAMENT(rock) was used by Jesus to BUILD His church so that their hears will be BURNING in Luke 24:32 ???. In Matt 16:18 Jesus put as main CONDITION for the ROCK, His promises that His church will NEVER be PREVAILED. But there on the cross they was more than PREVAILED(Matt 17:20 Luke 17:6 Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27). When were true that His church was build already in Matthew 16:18 BEFORE the cross then we can only say that His church was TOTALLY PREVAILED already there SEEING Jesus CRUCIFIED.(Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27). Already before to create any creature, Christ CRUCIFIED was planned to be the mostly great POWER to DRAW peoples to Him. Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth(being crucified) I will draw ALL men unto Me. But His first church of disciples is flying away from Him: Matt 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, ALL ye shall be offended because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd(Christ) and the sheep(disciples) of the flock shall be scattered abroad.(Mark 14:27). &So is clearly that His church was NOT BUILD in Matt 16:18 because seeing Him CRUCIFIED they was not able to have even their smallest FAITH mentioned in Matt 17:20 Luke 17:6 since Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27.... According with the MAIN CONDITION which Jesus put in Matt 16:18 He CANNOT have a church which seeing Him CRUCIFIED because of sins, get TOTALLY PREVAILED even their smallest FAITH. &Now we have as more than clearly that His church was NOT build in Matthew 16:18 BEFORE the cross. BUT in Matt 16:18 saying ““I WILL”” BUILD MY CHURCH, Jesus was referring the time AFTER cross when beginning with Luke 24:27,44 He will EXPLAIN them the Law of laws as TEACHINGS about Sanctuary stared already before all creation as only one possible FUNDAMENT(rock) mentioned in very many verses like Colos 2:1-3 Luke 24:25,26,27,32,44,45.46 and shortly defined by the Father in Matthew 16:16 as ROCK(fundament). For this reason we see verses like Acts 15:21 about His disciples CONTINUING (like Jesus in Luke 24:27,44) using the TEACHINGS about Sanctuary written by Moses to build more HEARTS BURNING in EVERY city in EVERY Sabbath(John 6:4,45 Exod 24:12 Gal 3:24 Gal 2:20 etc).. According with Matt 16:22 Matt 26:70,72Mark 14:68,70Luke 22:57 John 18:25,27 Peter being against the MAIN CONDITION installed by Jesus in Matt 16:18 Peter demonstrated himself mostly weak man, as most PREVAILED just after Father’s saying in Matt 16:16 to put the FUNDAMENT(rock) explained in all other verses like Luke 24:25,26,27,32,44,45.46 shortly defined in Matt 16:16. Matt 10:33 But whosoever shall DENY Me before men, him will I also DENY before My Father which is in heaven. Luke 12:9 But he that DENIETH Me before men shall be DENIED before the angels of God. John 18:27 Peter then DENIED AGAIN(3th time-Luke 22:34,61) and immediately the cock crew. After he always PROMISED that he will be the only one (among all-Matt 26:35) who will NEVER DENY Jesus(Matt 26:35Luke finally Peter saw himself(already 3th time) as as mostly big liar among all disciples... so that as mostly big liar among disciples Catholics will put Peter as their FUNDAMENT(rock) and as first holy father... of liars(John 8:44 Rom 3:4). &As you will see in the next verses His church was build using AS FUNDAMENT(rock) the Law of laws of the Sanctuary(Colos 2:1-3 Exodus 24:12 John 6:44,45 John 17:17 Psa 77:13 Galatians 3:24 Gal 2:20 Rom 12:1) PUTTING THEIR HEART IN FIRE just as you see in Luke 24:32 Luke 24:25 and He said unto them, O FOOLISH MEN, and SLOW of heart TO BELIEVE in ALL that “”THE PROPHETS HAVE spoken !””. Luke 24:26 Behooved it not THE CHRIST to suffer these things, and TO ENTER into His glory?. Luke 24:27 And BEGINNING FROM MOSES(LawS of Sanctuary) and from all THE PROPHETS, He interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are My words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that ALL things must needs be fulfilled, which are written IN THE LAW OF MOSES, AND the prophets, AND the psalms, concerning Me. Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Was not our ””’HEART BURNING””” within us, while He spake to us in the way, while he OPENED to us the SCRIPTURES ?. Revelation 3:16 So because thou(SDA) art LUKEWARM, and neither HOT(heart burning) nor COLD, I will spew thee out of My mouth. According with Jesus’ saying in Luke 24:25 you are FOOLISH and SLOW of heart without studying the Old Testament to BELIEVE in ALL that “”THE PROPHETS HAVE spoken !””. Luke 16:29 They have MOSES(LawS of Sanctuary) and the PROPHETS; let THEM hear. Luke 16:31 If they hear not MOSES(LawS about Sanctuary-Colos 2:1-3) and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. According with Luke 24:26 you also don’t KNOW that Jesus was to suffer AS CHRIST(Sanctuary-Colos 2:1-3) these things TO ENTER into His glory, and according with John 17:22 THE GLORY which His Father gave Him, Jesus will give us so that we may be ONE, even as we are ONE TO ENTER INTO THE GLORY AFTER OUR SUFFERING(Matt 24:7-10 Rev 13:15 Matt 16:18 Rom 8:17; 2Thess 1:5; 2Tim 2:3; 2Tim 4:3,5 Hebr 10:32 Hebr 11:25,36 Hebr 12:2,3,7 James 5:10; 1Peter 2:19,20,2; 1Peter 3:14,17; 1Peter 4:16,19; 1Peter 5:9,10 Acts 7:34 Matt 20:12 Rev 14:7 Luke 17:25 John 16:21 Rev 2:3,10 Acts 7:34). John 1:29 The next day John SEETH Jesus coming unto him, and saith, “BEHOLD” THE LAMB(sanctuary) OF GOD, which taketh AWAY the sin of the world. John 1:36 And LOOKING upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, “BEHOLD” THE LAMB(Sanctuary) OF GOD.(Colos 2:1-3 Psa 77:13). Colos 2:1 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea(SDA) and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; Col 2:2 That THEIR HEARTS MIGHT BE COMFORTED(Luke 24:32) being UNITED TOGETHER IN LOVE, and unto ALL RICHES of the full assurance of UNDERSTANDING, to the acknowledgement OF THE MYSTERY OF GOD which is CHRIST(Sanctuary-John 2:21); Col 2:3 In whom are hid ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE. Colos 1:26 THE MYSTERY(Sanctuary) which hath been HID FROM AGES and from GENERATIONS, but now is made manifest to his SAINTS(Rev 14:12): Col 1:27 To whom God would MAKE KNOWN what is the riches of the GLORY OF THIS MYSTERY(Sanctuary) among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory. 1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE(sanctuary) of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Cor 6:20 For YOU are bought with a price(on the cross) THEREFORE GLORIFY GOD IN YOUR BODY, and in your spirit, which are God's. Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, FEAR God(keep His commandments) and GIVE GLORY TO HIM; for the HOUR of HIS JUDGMENT is come: and WORSHIP HIM THAT CREATED heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters(Exod 20:11). Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea “LET” GOD BE TRUE(in His Laws), but EVERY “MAN” A LIAR; as it is written, That YOU(God) mightest be JUSTIFIED in YOUR SAYINGS(in Your Laws) and mightest OVERCOME when YOU(God) are judged(in Rev.14:7) according with John 5:22,24,27 John 3:17,18 John 12:47: 1Cor 11:31; 1Cor 2:15; 1Cor 6:3,4. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that KEEP the commandments OF God, and the faith OF Jesus(Luke 4:16). Rev 12:17 And the dragon(Satan) was wroth with the WOMAN(SDA church) and went to make WAR with the REMNANT OF HER seed, which KEEP the commandments OF God, and have the testimony OF Jesus Christ.(Rev 19:19 Rev 17:14 Matt 24:28 Gal 2:20). P.S. The Bible and even EGW make clearly that Jews refusing to know Jesus AS CHRIST(as Sanctuary) will be repeated(right now) by the whole Christianity refusing to know the TEACHINGS(laws) about Sanctuary as to know Jesus AS CHRIST(as Sanctuary). Since the disciples was already TAUGHT that Christ will never die(crucified-John 12:34) even the greatest Teacher Jesus was not anymore able to teach His disciples to accept Him as Sanctuary(crucified-Colos 2:1-3) and all of them was lost sheep’s seeing their King death on the cross... And now the Christianity are living in the same situation refusing to see Galatians 3:24 talking also about ceremonial Law bringing people to Christ. Without to study all about Jesus and His life you will never be able to see you as guided by the Holy Ghost to have the same life so that finally you will fulfill also Galatians 2:20 (Rom 12:1 Rom 6:8; 2Tim 2:11 Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 Matt 24:28 Luke 17:37). EGW wrote: I am asked concerning the law in Galatians. What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments. 1SM 233.1
owranife b123 " CHURCH MEAN CHURCH BUILDING OR ? CAN YOU EXPLAIN. " To see what the defintion of the church was, we only need to read the New Testament. Here are some verses that clearly show that the chuch is thosre who follow Jesus and not a building, denomination or religion. You can replace THE CHURCH in the following verses with THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS. 1 Corinthians 16:19 The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with THE CHURCH IN THEIR HOUSE, send you hearty greetings in the Lord. Philemon 1:2 And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and THE CHURCH IN YOUR HOME: Romans 16:5 Greet also THE CHURCH IN THEIR HOUSE. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia. Colossians 4:15 Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha AND THE CHURCH IN HER HOUSE.
Church means the body of believers in Christ. We can meet and pray together in our homes (as the early Christians did) or we can meet in a special building. The choice is yours.
The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-140) in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD).[1] He died in Rome, with his relics located in the Basilica of San Clemente al Laterano. The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 AD to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.[21][25][26] Of the meaning for Ignatius of this phrase J.H. Srawley wrote: This is the earliest occurrence in Christian literature of the phrase 'the Catholic Church' (ἡ καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία). The original sense of the word is 'universal'. Thus Justin Martyr (Dial. 82) speaks of the 'universal or general resurrection', using the words ἡ καθολικὴ ἀνάστασις. Similarly here the Church universal is contrasted with the particular Church of Smyrna. Ignatius means by the Catholic Church 'the aggregate of all the Christian congregations' (Swete, Apostles Creed, p. 76). So too the letter of the Church of Smyrna is addressed to all the congregations of the Holy Catholic Church in every place. This sense of 'universal' the word has never been lost.
You protestants need to come back to the one true Catholic Church. Peter is the rock and for over 1500 years it was this way until you changed it for your heretic views.
1:17 you are teaching a false doctrine! It is a universal truth that Petros (Πέτρος) is the masculine of Petra (πέτρα). The Greek names of males or masculine words generally end with "ος" and female names or feminine words end with "α" for example: Petros (Πέτρος), Petra (Πέτρα) Alexios (Αλέξιος), Alexia (Αλεξία) Aurelios (Αυρήλιος), Aurelia (Αουρελια) Leontios (Λεόντιος), Leontia (Λεοντια) Anastasios (Αναστάσιος), Anastasia (Αναστασία) Maximos (Μάξιμος), Maxima (Μάξιμα) Philippos (Φίλιππος), Philippa (Φίλιππα) Dionysios (Διονύσιος), Dionysia (Διονυσία) Polybios (Πολύβιος), Polybia (Πολύβια) Demetrios (Δημήτριος), Demitria (Δήμητρα) Lenos (Λένος), Lena (Λένα) Linos (Λίνος), Lina (Λίνα) Theodoros (Θεόδωρος), Theodora (Θεοδώρα) Angelos (Άγγελος), Angela (Άντζελα) Grigorios (Γρηγόριος), Grigoria (Γρηγορία) Petros DOES NOT mean a small stone that can fit in your hand, Petros is simply the masculine word of Petra. If you speak Spanish you know this fact too, there are feminine and masculine words for example: flaco (skinny) and flaca (skinny), although they are different words, they mean the same thing! flaco is used only for males and flaca is used only for females. If you use "flaca" to describe a man, it is almost like an insult. Jesus did not give Simon a Greek nickname! Jesus gave him an Aramaic nickname! John 1:42 "...."You are Simon son of John. You are to be called "Cephas." When you translate Cephas to Greek, the translation is Petra ("πέτρα") which means ROCK, but because Simon is a male, the translator cannot give him a name ending with "α" because that is feminine in Greek. The translator has to give him a male name by putting "ος" at the end, thus, the male name becomes Petros ("Πέτρος), which means "Male of rock" or "Masculine of rock" or "man of rock" or "macho rock" or any description that makes it clear that Simon is a male! The translation of Matthew 16:18 reads: "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." That is why the catholic church is teaching the truth, because Matthew 16:18 translates to: "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Notice how the Greek words "Petra" and "Petros" are used in our daily life, for example: The word "Petrology" is composed of two Greek words: (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and (λόγος), lógos which means [study]. Thus, the word "Petrology" is the study of rocks! Petrology is a branch of geology and the scientific name was invented without a religious bias and by simply using the Greek language. The word "Petrogenesis" is composed of two greek words: (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and (γένεσις) Genesis which means [Origin]. For this reason "petrogenesis" is the branch of petrology dealing with the origin and formation of rocks. The word "Petroglyph" is composed of 2 Greek words, (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and Glyph (γλύφω) which means "Sculpt or carve." That is why the "petroglyphs" are figures carved on rock. You have seen them in museums, the figures of animals and people that our ancestors carved or sculpted on rocks, they are called petroglyphs! The word "Petrochemistry" is composed of 2 words: petros (πέτρος) which means [rock] and Chemistry which is the Science that studies the composition and properties of matter. That is why "Petrochemistry" is the branch of Chemistry concerned with the composition and formation of rocks; it also studies crude oil, petroleum and its derivatives! The word "petroleum" comes from the Greek word: (πέτρα) petra which means [rock] and the Latin word (Oleum) which means oil. That is why Petroleum is literally translated as "rock Oil" because petroleum is oil that has been derived from rocks (animals that have been petrified over millions of years.) All of this has nothing to do with religion, it is science that is using Greek words to name new discoveries such as petroleum. The word "Petrify" derives from the Greek word (Πέτρα) Petra which means [rock] and the Latin suffix "-ify" which means "to become," thus, Petrify means to become stone. Do you want more? The English word "Petrosus" which means ROCKY or STONY is directly derived from the Greek word (πέτρος) Petros which means [rock]. Dear protestant brothers and sisters, stop teaching lies that are contrary to the Greek language and contrary to biblical scripture. I know that you are just repeating the lies that you were taught by others because you think they are the truth, but you have been deceived! Now, that I have shown you the truth that Petros (Πέτρος) and Petra (Πέτρα) are the same word but in masculine and feminine forms, you have no excuse to believe the lies that you have been taught! If you see anyone in your congregation or anyone in general teaching a false doctrine, correct them and teach them the truth that you have seen and read! I tell you this because the bible has warned us about people that will come teaching a different gospel! Do not be deceived by false teacher, because it is written in Galatians 1:6-9 that there will be people who are going to confuse you and they will want to pervert the gospel of Christ, but anyone who brings a gospel different from that which has been taught, BE ACCURSED! For nearly 2000 years, the gospel of Jesus Christ has said: Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." But now false teachers have comed with a different gospel claiming that Simon is not the rock where Jesus builds his church. LET THEM BE ACCURSED for teaching a different gospel! John 8:31-32 "He said to the Jews who believed, “If you keep and obey My Word, then you are My followers for sure.You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”
Scientist Albert Einstein, in your lengthy response, you have failed to explain why Jesus uses a masculine and feminine Greek noun in contrast to one another. I’m not ignorant of the fact that Petros means rock. But Jesus contrasted petros with Petra. It doesn’t take your lengthy treatise to understand he’s using a play on words. Also, you bypassed the entirety of the surrounding context. The Biblical precedent for the papacy is utterly absent. As is the Biblical precedent for hail Mary’s, rosaries, human priests, catholic conceptions of sainthood, and the list carries on eternally. I stand my ground, knowing I’m not the deceived.
@@damayfield1 You say: "in your lengthy response, you have failed to explain why Jesus uses a masculine and feminine Greek noun in contrast to one another." Didn't not you read my comment, I gave you chapter and verse of the REAL nickname of Simon: John 1:42"...."You are Simon son of John. You are to be called "Cephas." So, dear protestant brother, Jesus DID NOT give Simon a Greek nickname, the Greek nickname is a translation. Jesus did not use a "word play" in Greek, Jesus used an ARAMAIC WORD which means ROCK. And yes, you have been deceived and you are deceiving others, but you are too blind to realize it for it is written in Matthew 15:14 "...they are blind guides of the blind. And if one blind person guides another, both will fall into a pit." Your response is topical of a protestant attacking the fundamental truths of the Church of Jesus Christ. You say: "Biblical precedent for the papacy is utterly absent..." NO, my dear protestant brother, Jesus spoke clearly in Matthew 16:19 Jesus told Simon Cephas that he is going to be a "Pope" (father) for the church/congregation. And Jesus paraphrases Isaiah 22:20-22 so that everyone understands that Simon Cephas has the authority in the church Isaiah 22:20-22 "On that day I will call my servant Eliakim son of Hilkiah, 21 and will clothe him with your robe and bind your sash on him. I will commit your authority to his hand, and HE SHALL BE A FATHER to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder THE KEY of the house of David; he shall open, and no one shall shut; he shall shut, and no one shall open." See, you have been deceived! And in your ignorance you deceive others! You also say: "that the Biblical precedent for hail Mary’s, rosarie is absent..." Dear protestant brother, we Catholics do not invent anything! We are BIBLICAL, we stay true to the Gospel and the word of God Luke 1:28 "And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored the Lord with you; blessed you among women!” Luke 1:41-42 "And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed you among women, and blessed the fruit of your womb!" Luke 1:48 "For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed." This is the Gospel, the gospel that TRUE CHRISTIANS proclaim! Not like you dear protestant brother that is a blind guide guiding the blind. And for future responses stick to a logical response and a single subject, do not respond to me with another topic because that is the way protestants work. We are talking about petros and petra and now look we end up talking about Mary and the rosary. Imagine if I ask you now, why do you protestants ask for the tithe if the tithe is Food: Nehemiah 13:12 The tithe is FOOD that your field grows, the grain, the wine and the oil, and it is taken to the storehouses. Leviticus 27:32 The tithe is MEAT from cattle, heard, flocks. It is cheese, milk, or any product that passes under the shepherd’s staff. Leviticus 27:30 "All tithes from the land, whether the seed from the ground or the fruit from the tree, are the Lord’s; they are holy to the Lord." Numbers 18:21 God GAVE EVERY tithe to the LEVITE PRIEST. (Your pastor is not a Levite priest, so why is he asking for the tithe?) Deuteronomy 14:22 "Set apart a tithe of all the yield of your seed that is brought in yearly from the field." Deuteronomy 14:28 "Every THIRD YEAR you shall bring out the full tithe of your PRODUCE for that year, and store it within your towns;" Do you see now? The tithe is FOOD that gets stored in the storehouses, but why do they ask for FOOD and then store it? READ Deuteronomy 26:12 "When you have finished paying all the tithe of your PRODUCE in the third year (WHICH IS THE YEAR OF THE TITHE), giving it to the Levites, the aliens, the orphans, and the widows, so that they may eat their fill within your towns," Oh, now it all makes sense! The tithe is FOOD for the poor, the widow, the orphan, the alien, the Levite Priest. That is why the tithe is stored in the storehouses so that the POOR can eat all year long from there! Leviticus 27:30 "All tithes from the land, whether the seed from the ground or the fruit from the tree, are the Lord’s; they are holy to the Lord." That is why the Bible says that the tithe belongs to God, because it is GOD who feeds the widow, the orphan, the foreigner and the Priest. It is GOD who feeds those who have nothing to eat! The Bible says that GOD opens the floodgates of heaven and pours out the blessed rain so that the fruits of the soil are not destroyed Malachi 3:10-11 "GOD opens the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you an overflowing blessing (THE RAIN). 11 I will rebuke the locust for you, so that it will not destroy the produce of your soil; and your vine in the field shall not be barren." SEE? is GOD who protects your fields from the locust, is God who makes the blessed rain fall, that is why 10% of the crops belongs to GOD, that 10% is to feed the poor THAT IS THE TITHE!
Scientist Albert Einstein, Here’s the deal. If you can read a verse about Mary being most blessed among women-and somehow derive the precedent for rosaries and Hail Marys-then something has gone wrong in your exegesis. My analysis of Matthew 16 is exegetically sound. And as my last comment, you fail to understand Ephesians 2, which says the apostles and prophets are the foundation of the church, Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone. Until the judgment.
@@damayfield1 Since you want to change the subject I will play your tricks too. Here is the thing the tithe is Food for the Poor not money for the thief pastor. Show me chapter and verse where the bible says that the tithe is money for the pastor.
Scientist Albert Einstein, again, in your interpretation of Scripture you assume almost as much as you do of total strangers. Where in the new covenant did God command tithes? It is ironic that you are indicting non-Catholics for misusing funds. Where did Jesus command that we build giant temples for mass?
The rock was Christ as in 1CORINTHIANS 10:3-4, Christ is a Greek word means anointed one, and in Hebrew is Messiah means anointed one. As Acts 10:38, and in John 4:25-26, the woman said, I know that Messiah { called Christ } is coming. When he comes he will explain everything to us. [ 26 ] THEN JESUS Declared, I who speak to you, I am he. ( Hades not prevail to Christ) As in Acts 2: 22-24, 31, 32, to God be the Glory
This rock is the Whole Earth. Peter is a piece of rock! I agree with your breakdown too. Another thought! Jesus is called the rock.jesus also said He is building the church, not Peter, Paul….
These are some of the verses in the Bible, that prove, narrate, and acknowledge Christ Jesus as the ROCK FOUNDATION (Corner Stone) in which the Church of God was built and not upon Peter... Matt. 7:24-27 / Luke 6:46-49 / 1 Corinthians. 3:10-11 / Ephesians 2:19-22 / 1 Peter 2:4-8 / Psalm 118:22 / Isaiah 28:16... Amen.
Of course Peter is under Christ The first Pope and the titles of the Popes ?? "Servant of the servants of Christ" ........Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! .... You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ...... Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read: And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1). The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions: These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7). Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating: He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16). Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18). As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches. Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15). Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12). Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
@@1234poppycat According to the scripture, the NAME by which Christ Jesus built and founded was called "CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS" in the 1st Cent. A.D.... Did Peter change the NAME of the Church given by Christ Jesus before he died, resurrected, and ascended back to Heaven into the Roman Catholic (Universal) Apostolic Church?... How about the Greek Orthodox Churches which were much earlier Churches in Asia Minor in the 2nd Cent. A.D. than the Roman Catholic Churches? Did Peter ask the 1st Cent. A.D. Christians, to call him POPE or PAPA?... Did the Apostles call Peter their POPE? Biblically speaking, when it comes to religious/spiritual or Church matters, Christ Jesus strictly forbids Christians not to call themselves FATHER (Pope/Papa), for they have one Spiritual Father in Heaven... Christians must call each other (Brethren in Christ) as "Brothers and Sisters."... All are equal to each other as ONE Body in Christ Jesus, and not to be addressed as "MOST REVEREND or MOST HOLY" to the other... called VANITY and not HUMILITY... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@1234poppycat Christ Jesus is the ROCK upon which God's Church was built and founded... Apostle Simon Bar Jonah's name was changed into CEPHA (Aramaic word for Rock) to remind us that it was to him that God revealed the True Identity of Christ Jesus as the Son of God... through Christ Jesus, the Church of God is built upon the ROCK which is Christ Jesus... (ref. Psalm 28:1 / Numbers 20:8 / 2 Samuel 2:22 & 47 / Matt. 7:24 / 1 Corin. 3:11 & 10:1-12 / Ephesians 2:20, etc.) The Bible said, "TEST every SPIRIT if they are from God or not." (ref. 1 John 4)...
@@jvlp2046 The Catholic Christian Church was founded at Pentecost The Churches in Eastern Europe in the second century were still part of the ONE Holy Catholic Church -- the split only began at 1040
@@1234poppycat WRONG!... You are just FOOLING yourself... WAKEUP (google it)... FYI, History attested that the Catholic (Universal) Church never started during Pentecost for there is only ONE CHURCH built/founded by Christ Jesus in the 1st Cent. A.D. which is the "CHURCH OF GOD in CHRIST JESUS" that was written in the Bible (Holy Scriptures)... The CATHOLIC (Universal) Churches was founded and established only in the 4th Century under the Roman Emperor Constantine... called the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... the word CATHOLIC (Universal) had never been written in the Bible or used by the early 7-Churches in Asia Minor (presently Turkey)... The Early 7-Churches in Asia Minor never ever called their Christian Churches, CATHOLIC (Universal) Church... Why the word CATHOLIC (Universal) was used?... because at that time (4th Cent. A.D.), when the Latin-speaking Christians (Western Churches of the early 4th Cent. A.D.) and Greek-speaking Christians (Eastern Orthodox Churches of the 2nd Cent. A.D.) became UNITED during the conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine who stopped the persecution of the Christians and adopted CHRISTIANITY in the Roman Empire... thus, the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH was invented/ created/founded... When the Great SCHISM of 1054 A.D. broke (total split) between the Latin/Western Roman Church and Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church, the name CATHOLIC stayed with the Western Roman Churches which should be LITERALLY no longer UNIVERAL (Catholic) in that sense... however, the name stayed that way till now... Logically speaking, how can we now say the word "CATHOLIC" (Universal) if the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church no longer recognizes the LEADERSHIP of the PAPACY and some of the POPE's Doctrines up to this day?...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church called their Head Elder Brother, "BISHOP" which literally means Spiritual "OVERSEERS" (Episcopal), and not called POPE/PAPA (Spiritual Father) which is forbidden and against the teaching of the Bible... The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to the practice of the Spoken/Oral Traditions and Written (Epistles) Doctrines interpretation of the Early 7 Churches in Asia Minor during the 1st Cent. A.D. mentioned in the Book of Revelation... After the Great SCHISM, the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is still been persecuted up to this day in the Middle East and other parts of the World while on the other hand, the Western Roman CATHOLIC Church persecuted many Christians as early as the 12th Cent. A.D. that resulted in PROTESTANTISM in the 16th Cent. A.D.... Aside from that, the R.C.C. now has SIGNED a JOINT-RELIGION with ISLAM (Muslims) and JUDAISM (Israelite Jews) called the "ABRAHAMIC RELIGION" (3 Religion United as One)... just last year, 2023... Facts and Truth, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
I think Peter was considered a stone in the church built on the bedrock. As were his disciples. Loosed could mean the holy spirit as it leads because Peter was given the Holy fire. Man took this back then and twisted it for power. Peter even today is idolized through the Pope.
Peter was assuredly a stone on the bedrock. And yes, man has idolized Peter and the much of the Christian faith went awry because of it. In context, however, there's no solid connection between "loosing" and "Holy fire." Context must be the standard. In the context of Matthew's gospel, loosing and binding have a lot to do with opening and closing the doors to God's kingdom.
@@damayfield1 Would Jesus not consider the holy spirit the one that loosens and binds? Its really not Peter or the others at all....its the holy spirit that works through them. That is the connection I am making. Peter does not work on his of merit...he is driven by the spirit. Really it has nothing to do with Peter, the whole point is that Peter was given the way in.....a key. That key is the holy spirit that looses and binds.
@@jbelle7133, of course, Peter isn't the authority. Everything ultimately points back to God, or Christ, or the Spirit. I'm simply saying, the Spirit is not the object of the discussion. If He were, Jesus would have said so. Keys, in CONTEXT, have to do with binding and loosing the kingdom--in some way. In Matthew 18, binding and loosing have to do with accepting a brother in to the church or pushing him out of the church, all of which Jesus said, "will have already been bound (or loosed) in heaven." The real activity of binding and loosing is done in heaven. The immediate, practical nature of binding and loosing is done by church leaders, the first of whom were the apostles.
@@damayfield1 Actually, the Jewish definition of binding and loosing simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority. Somewhat different that what you said. Yes, Peter was a foundation stone of the church, while Jesus is the chief cornerstone. But to say we "idolize" Peter, are you implying that we "worship" him in some way? If you are, then let me say, you are badly mistaken.
Again, context is key. Jesus mentioned “keys,” then he spoke of what Peter would do with those keys-binding and loosing. The connection is unmistakeable. As for who idolizes Peter, you must answer for yourself. Wearing his name, praying through him, generating images in his name-these are practical idolizations.
Correction... Take note, that Christ Jesus never speaks the Greek language to His Apostles/disciples... but speaks Hebrew-Aramaic for that was the only language most of them knew... Christ Jesus used the word "Cephas' (Kepha) to Apostles Simeon Bar-jonah and not in the Greek words such as Petra or Petros (Peter in English).
@@albertd.6179 read the entire Bible, logically, and you’ll understand that such a notion is ridiculous. The church is built on Jesus. “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be likened to a wise man who built his house upon the rock.”
@damayfield1 Did you read Matthew 16:18-19 logically? What does it mean to read a text logically? It means one thing should follow another, and there should not be any contradiction.
@@KenAnderson-i5b When Matthew 16:18-19 is read logically, it is evident that Peter is the rock on which Jesus the builder or architect intends to build his Church. That does not mean that Jesus turns Peter into a literal rock just like we don't understand God or Jesus to be a literal rock. Being head of the Church, Peter is in deed acting like the Pope. Pope does not mean he cannot err in ordinary matters, but he is preserved from error in matters of doctrines and morals.
@@IamSaraDCR The church is "you"? A Jehovah witness? A Mormon? An evangelical Christian? Oneness Pentecostal? A catholic? All part of this "you" church?
@@nardforu131 you're mentioning religions. I'm referring to the church as in the body of Christ. The Bible says in John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME." Acts 16:30-31 "30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Read what the Bible says about these division in 1 Corinthians 1: 10-17 "10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void." There are many other passages in the scriptures but there would be no space to mention them all here. But mostly I invite you to read the Bible and pray God to give you wisdom and discernment to understand. He loves you and will answer your prayer.
@@nardforu131 " The church is "you"? A Jehovah witness? A Mormon? An evangelical Christian? Oneness Pentecostal? A catholic? All part of this "you" church? " Do JW's, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, Catholics believe in Jesus we see in the Bible? Mormon Jesus: First created being and brother of Lucifer. JW Jesus: he is said to be Michael the Archangel. Catholic Jesus: His sacrifice wasn't sufficient to save us. Oneness Pentecostals Jesus: a mode of God and not the 2nd person of the Trinity. The church is everyone who follows the Biblical Jesus and abides in his word.
Many were already calling Jesus/Yeshua the Messiah/Christ. But they did not quite understand what Messiah/Christ meant. They had only the understanding mentally, through reason, teaching and carnal interpretation of scripture. Some of the disciples had already said you are the Messiah. But, what Simon had received was a revelation. I agree with you on many things you have shown here and they are beautiful. I have to say about this word church...... I have many problems. As it is not a correct interpretation of the word Ekklesia or her Ekklesian. Did Jesus say Church as what people define as : Buildings, denominations, religious institutions, dogmas...etc... Church was a word that was in use during those times and it referred to a building, a temple. The word that was mistranslated as into the word church is Ekklesia. Ekk- Out Kaleo - Call This inference is Called Out. This would be a much more correct translation. For God's Spirit does call us out, by name actually. He (not our flesh- the carnal mind) gives us a revelation of Jesus, and calls us out by name. We then become petros. He is building something. A temple of living stones. Not a man made institution. A temple where we are called out citizens of His Kingdom. And He dwells in a temple of living beings not made by man's hands but by His.
I think Michael Heiser’s view on this is more accurate. The rock that they’re talking about is not Peter, or Jesus. But the rock is the place where they’re standing.
Yeah, that seems to make sense. I can picture Jesus pointing at the ground as he says that. To me it seems like "And I tell you, you are Peter (a little rock) and on this rock (Jesus points at the big rock/ground they're standing on) I will build my church. It makes sense to me that way because Peter, being the little rock is part of that big rock that is the church of Christ.
This is smoke and mirrors. Jesus wasn’t speaking in Greek, he was speaking in Aramaic so this explanation is a waste of time. Jesus didn’t say, “Even though I’m speaking in Aramaic, I want the meaning to be in Greek!” This is where the Prots start fumbling all over themselves because they’re somewhat stuck on stupid. But far more importantly, it’s what Jesus is saying to Peter before and after this rock comment. Give me a break.
Jesus spoke arameic, not greek. In arameic Simon was called Kefas. There is no dKefas, Kefos in arameic. It's all Kefas. Differentiating between Petros and Petras in greek based on grammars makes no sense when Jesus spoke arameic.
You’re assuming Jesus was speaking Aramaic here. The NT Bible wasn’t written in Aramaic, correct? It was inspired and written in Greek by men whose primary language would have been Greek. Jesus and the disciples would have primarily spoken Greek, the common language of the entire ancient world. I’m growing weary of the Catholic argument, based entirely on assumptions. Thanks be to God that our Bibles are before us, which is all we really have to determine divine truth, is it not?
@@damayfield1 @Daniel Mayfield You are right it is an assumption, good point. But so is the assertion that Jesus spoke Greek. I can imagine that he spoke both, as well as Hebrew. The most common understanding amongst scolars though is that he spoke Aramaic, which was the common tounge in Palestine at that time. As for Matthew's Evangelium we don't know for sure what he originally wrote it in. We don't have the originals. The earlies manuscrips we have is Koine Greek I believe, but they are copies. We do have early Christians claiming to learn from tradition that Matthew first wrote his Evangelium in Arameic. Papias of Hierapolis, (ca 60-160), Iranaeus of Lyon ( ca 130-200) amongst others. On divine truth I quote 1. Tim 3:15 "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" and 2 thes 2:15 "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter" Certainly the written letter is not the only source of divine truth.
@@damayfield1 " I’m growing weary of the Catholic argument, based entirely on assumptions. Thanks be to God that our Bibles are before us, which is all we really have to determine divine truth, is it not? " AMEN! Catholicism is not but empty philosophy.
Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! .... You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ...... Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read: And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1). The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions: These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7). Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating: He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16). Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18). As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches. Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15). Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12). Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
We, the Christians have no argument nor debate that Peter was the Rock Foundation (Corner Stone) of the Roman Catholic Church, and they are entitled to claim that 100%... but we, the Christians believe in Matthew 7:24-27(paraphrased) "The Wise Man (God) build His House (Church of God) upon the Rock (Christ Jesus)"... and not upon the Rock called by the name Peter... Amen.
Interpretation equals to evil works. Thats is why we had a lot lot lot of churches now a days. Its too simple a very clear. We are not hip hop rapper to mixed words or word playing as you mentioned in to create a greate music or bars. Walllaaahhhh...
Interesting personal interpretation although 1,000% wrong but it's OK. We learn from wrong interpretations just as much as we can figure out how someone gets to that point through their own understanding and then using the Bible to interpret the Bible, we can figure out where they went wrong. I hope the author of the video will take time to figure out why they are wrong by reviewing the analysis of others as well and hopefully be open to the idea that they are not perfect or all knowing and can understand their are others they can learn from also.
George, thanks for commenting. I’m always willing to be corrected-especially if the reasoning for a correction is solid. Since I’m 1000 percent incorrect, then I’m sure you have some solid explanations as to why. I’m eager to hear it.
@@damayfield1 I would love to explain however it would take a long time to fully get into the details. I'm not about to make a full length video or type out a full essay however, if you really are interested in seeing a different point of view, I would suggest looking past the idea that "it" should mean "the church" as "it" is the last thing that is mentioned. You wouldn't refer to an "it" in earlier context, as you suggest being "the rock". Mormons and Catholics often find useful ways to make this sentence work for them. Mormons use it as the "It" being the Revelation because otherwise they have to deal with the idea that Joseph Smith is a liar because he "restored" a church that was never destroyed in the first place. They have to modify this verse to prevent them from calling Jesus a liar by his promise. Catholics also use this verse to align the fact the Pope is the leader of the church. I'm not as clear how they achieve this false information but again, they use it to their benefit so they can make it appear perfect for the Catholic church, just another cult like Mormonism. The verse is pretty clear. And the idea of Hell vs Hades is irrelevant actually. Who cares. We understand that both are very powerful but the CHURCH ... who's?? the HIS CHURCH will not have anything prevail against it .... what is "the church" ... the church is all those who believe that Jesus is GOD who is the one to give salvation for all those who have faith in Him. Not by our works, charity or good deeds as we read in Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5 and Romans 11:6 that our works are nothing and it is by His grace and our faith that we can be saved. Too many organizations today believe "the church" is a specific organization, membership or building. Nope. Church is in our hearts, the hearts of all those that believe. I would suggest looking at other commentaries and other viewpoints. You may discover that you might change your personal interpretation to one that is inline with all scripture.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289, as I said in the video, the Greek language allows the feminine pronoun "it" to point back to either "the church" or "the rock." I think there's nothing at all wrong with deeming "it" as "the church." Doctrinally speaking, neither hell nor death will destroy the church. I fully stand with you in that sentiment. Contextually, however, the main object of the sentence is the rock. Jesus expressly made a word play based on the rock. The reason for which Jesus blessed Peter was his confession that Jesus is king. Jesus will build his church on this foundational idea that he, Jesus, is Christ (King). Contextually, it makes MOST sense that hades (death) will not prevail against the idea that he is king. George, just read the following verses in Matthew 16. Jesus immediately speaks of his impending death. Will that death prevail against this foundational rock that he is king? No. I think "it" most likely refers to "the church." Exegetically, that makes most sense to me. And I pay no mind to what Catholics or protestants or mormons are saying about it. Context is the greatest key. A commentary won't be my standard.
@@damayfield1 I never said a commentary is the standard as there are probably over 100 different available from Matthew Henry, Gill's and Darby many who I find to have good profound ideas but not definitive. One of my favorites was Chuck Missler and the one whom I think is horrible is Steve Anderson. I really like Dr. Gene Kim who I think is one of the smartest men on Bible knowledge in our day. I'm not convinced about your personal interpretation and probably need to do more research from several others before i can commit to a specific idea that I can be feel comfortable as the Holy Spirit is speaking to me saying there is still something a bit off. Until I can know for certain, I'll take other ideas with a grain of salt until I can know that Truth. I had the same problem with the Rapture concept and took me many years and lots of research as many had their own ideas of what the Truth was, but the Holy Spirit has finally revealed to me through a teacher what the real truth about that is now. This is why the Bible can be fun but frustrating. Why didn't GOD just spell it out for us simple and easy, why did He make it so difficult that it would cause so much contention among believers. You would think someone that writes in the Bible "God is not the author of confusion" would heed that verse 100%.
Well, I appreciate your thoughts. Jesus promised, "You will find me when you seek me with all of your heart." I believe that promise. I'm not inerrant as were the authors of Scripture. I'm just trying to read it and understand it. As I said, I do believe context should always hold the key. After studying that passage for a number of hours and having committed myself to many hours of prayer concerning it, this is where I stand. It's just what makes most sense to me considering all of the surrounding phrases and ideas. As for the rapture, I've done some sermons from Matthew 24 if you'd like to listen... www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/11/21/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-1-Exposing-Matthew-24 www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/11/27/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-2 www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/12/13/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-3-Awake-and-Ready
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 16:16-19 From what i understand, Jesus used peter's name as the rock and he will build his church in that name of peter, and Jesus give that church the key to heaven that "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." This actually what happened in the roman catholic, peter's name is the first name used in the roman catholic, and most of their works are binds in the earth that most heaven binds itself too,
Catholic catechism Jesus Christ was a rock ask to build a church but the rock was rejected by the builder and Jesus Christ become the corner stone where the apostle head by Peter build a church in the corner stone solidify and unify the Jews and Gentiles that why the Catholic compile the old testament and new testament called bible
Very obvious that Jesus said Simon is the Rock and on the Rock Jesus wanted to build his church. Very clear that Jesus also wanted to give the keys to Simon!
Vaughn R yes you are right we believe in Jesus not Greek mythology so there is no Hades only hell or death from KJV Bible and I believe this is some devils work not Gods work
Plus in the bible said: “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” Revelation 1:18 KJV www.bible.com/1/rev.1.18.kjv God have the keys for death and hell and there is no hades that rule hell
When Jesus first called Simon to follow him he told him he will be called Peter. Jesus renamed Simon for this passage and for the purpose of carrying on His church after Jesus' death and resurrection. Peter, Petros, means rock.
I did a video regarding this passage. My interpretation is a little different. I invite you to hear my video. I think you will learn something as I did with your video. God bless.
The Rock is christ. The same rock that was in the wilderness with the children of christ the rock that gave water. The rock with Moses disobeyed the lord smot it Not speak to it. So your Petra stone rock Is Christ
That's such bull, God let's all of us thru the holy spirit understand his words, we have the ability to study and understand things, never has it been said the catholic church has authority over anything, we all need to understand and read God's word daily to stay strong in faith, you think God wants us to not be able to understand it and only rely on pastors?
This was the most honest breakdown of scripture that I’ve seen in a while. Very good work. Unbiased. 👍👏
With regards to the Greek Petros/Petra, Jesus did not talk to his disciples in Greek, he spoke Aramaic which was the language of Palestine. In Aramaic, the word for rock is Kepha. What was said: “Thou art Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my church”. In Aramaic, the word kepha has the same ending if it is referred to a rock or a man’s name. In the Greek translation, this posed a problem. The word for rock, petra, is feminine in gender. The translator could use it for the second appearance of kepha, but not the first. It would be inappropriate to give a man a feminine name. So, he put a masculine ending on it, and there was Petros. In In Aramaic, as well as in English this word does not make this distinction. It would simply be: “Thou art Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church”.
AMEN BROTHER!
At another level, Simon's name change recalls the OT episodes where God renamed Abram as Abraham and Jacob as Israel Peter now stands in this biblical tradition where new names signify new God-given roles in salvation history. In Peter's case, Jesus designates him the foundation stone of the New Covenant Church🙌🏼
You do realize there's a distinct Aramaic for stone and big rock
Greg
" With regards to the Greek Petros/Petra, Jesus did not talk to his disciples in Greek, he spoke Aramaic which was the language of Palestine. "
Where does Scripture say that Jesus spoke only Aramaic? It doesn't. He spoke with Roman soldiers who would have spoken Green or Latin. Jesus raised men from the dead, gave sight to the blind, healed the sick, made the lame walk, turned water into wine, fed thousands from a basket of fish and bread, and he walked on water. Are you saying he could only speak one language, something the bible never addresses? That's a Roman Catholic assumption.
Jesus most likely spoke whatever language he needed to speak. He is God.
@@rickdavis2235 You're right, as God, Jesus could speak whatever language that He wanted to but His apostles could not. A few could probably speak Greek, but not all of them but they all could speak the native language of Aramaic. So if Jesus was speaking Latin or Greek to His apostles, it would be counter-productive.
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So the Apostles spread the Gospel all over the biblical theater only speaking Aramaic? You have to deny or ignore too much in order to make your argument.
It's the same thing we see when Roman Catholics support their many false doctrines. Just ignore what doesn't fit.
I loosen oneself from the gates of hades to prevail in my life, the lives of my family, my friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those where the gates of hades prevail, loosening oneself of every denial of insanity of any evildoer serving satan, in accordance with matthew 16:18, isaiah 54:17, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
History attested that the Catholic (Universal) Church never started during Pentecost for there is only ONE CHURCH built/founded by Christ Jesus in the 1st Cent. A.D. which is the "CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS" that was written in the Bible...
The CATHOLIC (Universal) Churches was founded and established only in the 4th Century under the Roman Emperor Constantine... called the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... the word CATHOLIC (Universal) had never been written in the Bible or used by the early 7-Churches in Asia Minor (presently Turkey)... The Early 7-Churches in Asia Minor never ever called their Christian Churches, CATHOLIC (Universal) Church...
Why the word CATHOLIC (Universal) was used?... because at that time (4th Cent. A.D.), when the Latin-speaking Christians (Western Churches of the early 4th Cent. A.D.) and Greek-speaking Christians (Eastern Orthodox Churches of the 2nd Cent. A.D.) became UNITED during the conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine who stopped the persecution of the Christians and adopted CHRISTIANITY in the Roman Empire... thus, the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH was invented/ created/founded...
When the Great SCHISM of 1054 A.D. broke (total split) between the Latin/Western Roman Church and Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church, the name CATHOLIC stayed with the Western Roman Churches which should be LITERALLY no longer UNIVERAL (Catholic) in that sense... however, the name stayed that way till now...
Logically speaking, how can we now say the word "CATHOLIC" (Universal) if the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church no longer recognizes the LEADERSHIP of the PAPACY and some of the POPE's Doctrines up to this day?...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church called their Head Elder Brother, "BISHOP" which literally means Spiritual "OVERSEERS" (Episcopal), and not called POPE/PAPA (Spiritual Father) which is forbidden and against the teaching of the Bible...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to the practice of the Spoken/Oral Traditions and Written (Epistles) Doctrines interpretation of the Early 7 Churches in Asia Minor during the 1st Cent. A.D. mentioned in the Book of Revelation...
After the Great SCHISM, the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is still been persecuted up to this day in the Middle East and other parts of the World while on the other hand, the Western Roman CATHOLIC Church persecuted many Christians as early as the 12th Cent. A.D. that resulted in PROTESTANTISM in the 16th Cent. A.D....
Aside from that, the R.C.C. now has SIGNED a JOINT-RELIGION with ISLAM (Muslims) and JUDAISM (Israelite Jews) called the "ABRAHAMIC RELIGION" (3 Religion United as One)... just last year, 2023...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
Least Blasphemous and Christ hating Protestant:
@@oolooo We are Christ Jesus LOVING and FAITHFUL True Christians who worshipped God in SPIRIT and in TRUTH... (ref. John 4:24)... Amen.
@@oolooo Protestants are the "Prodigal Sons" of the Catholic Church...
Mathew 16:18-19 needs to be understood in the context of the Davidic Kingdom. Jesus, as the Son of David, establishes His Church in accordance with the Davidic Kingdom. In 1 Kings 4:7, King Solomon had 12 officers to rule over Israel. Jesus had 12 Apostles which were picked by him to rule over His Church after He ascended into heaven. The Davidic Kingdom also had a prime minister who had the absolute authority of the King. In Isaiah 22:15-24 God is angry with his prime minister Shebna, and will replace him with Eliakim, who will be given the keys to the Kingdom, and will have the power to open and shut, who will be a father figure to his people, and who will be a sure peg on a throne of honor to his father. The whole weight of his father’s house shall rest on him. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of God (Mathew 16:18-19), a symbol of authority prefigured by Eliakim in the OT. Peter and his successors have the power to bind and loose (open and shut) in the name of Jesus, from Matthew 18:18. The entire weight of the Catholic Church rests on the Pope and his teachings, just like the entire weight of David's house rested on Eliakim.
This interpretation of Mathew 16 is verified by the writings of the early Church fathers.
'eliakim' is a hebrew name that means "God raises" or "God sets up"...names have meaning in Gods Word, who did God raise UP? Who is the only door to God? Christ Jesus himself, as in john 24:27 Jesus is pointed to throughout the Torah, isaiah 22:22 is describing Jesus, which aligns with revelation 3:7...the Truth that Jesus is the Christ is the Rock
Ephesians 2:20 speaks of the foundation with apostles and prophets - CHRIST BEING THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE
Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! ....
You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ......
Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read:
And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1).
The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions:
These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7).
Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating:
He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16).
Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18).
As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches.
Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12).
Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
Jesus was referring the rock on which they stood when conversing. It doesn’t matter if Jesus meant Peter as the rock or not, all that matters is he handed his keys to Peter. God gave Peter the revelation that Jesus was the Messiah and because God revealed it to Peter Jesus knew that meant he was chosen to carry on the church after his death and resurrection. Peter was the most human of the disciples. He sinned and denied, as humans do. Jesus chose him and was clear in his words. Every passage has intent from the divine. Trying to disprove what has been made clear because you’ve fallen away from or hate Jesus’ church (Catholic Church) only takes away from you in his kingdom as it says in John.
And a few verses later Christ rebukes Peter and calls him Satan.
Matthew 16:23 ESV
[23] But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”
How do you know about the rock they were standing on? Are you just making that up to prove your idea, because a different point of view hurts your feelings, or is there any evidence of that? It doesn't matter? Seriously? If the Bible is a Word of God, every word matters. It just seems to me that you are just trying to hold your belief, ignoring facts, sorry.
Thank you! Throughout the Bible, the rock has always been Jesus. And even a couple of chapters down, Jesus was not just speaking to Peter, but to all his disciples ""whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven..." Mat 16:23 Jesus even rebuked Peter.
So the bible says, it was at that point, that Jesus decided he needed to go to jerusalem and he knew about his destination, it was only a question of when to go. And the right time to go was, when Peter (and the disciples) understood, that he is the christ. And why does he need to know? To tell
If you are a born again child of God, you have the keys to heaven via prayer and faith. Jesus said you have not because you ask not. Because the veil was rent in two from TOP to bottom, we now don't have to go through a high priest to go before the throne of God. We can come to Him boldly and ask what we will. What man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Jesus said If ye ABIDE IN ME, AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you, and ALL things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
So do you think Jesus will give the name to his disciple a Small Rock? What is the meaning of Small rock? Means the name Peter is an inferior name...
It simply means Peter wasn’t the foundation. Everybody knows there’s a difference between a stone and bedrock. Huge difference.
@@damayfield1 then why should Jesus waste his time by given the name Peter to Simon if it carry no value to him.. That too after he has give the correct answer... Means his answer that Jesus is Christ was in vein and is name Peter also in vein... Then is better for Peter to stick with his old name Simon meaning Listen (at least he still listen to God than a Rock without value)
@@rodriquenongkynrih6665 you are assuming that there is no value in the name “rock.” That’s not at all the point. There’s plenty of value in it. It’s just to say, Jesus isn’t calling him the foundation. To say Peter is the foundation of the church is blasphemous.
@@damayfield1 then tell me atleast one what is the value meaning of Peter that Jesus himself named him...?
@@rodriquenongkynrih6665 there’s strength in a name. Having been renamed by Jesus, Peter would have gained strength in that name. It’s just like the sons of thunder. There’s power in a name. Nevertheless, you will have a tremendously difficult time showing that Peter was the foundation of the church. It’s antithetical to the whole message of Scripture. And practically speaking, Paul had a far more
Effective ministry than Peter did.
This translation is a fantastic reason to accept papal succession.
Honestly it's a solid argument for Catholicism and most of the strongest arguments against Catholicism acknowledge other reasons that the feminine and masculine words were made.
A small rock is the same in matter as a big rock.
The church is built on something the same as Peter but greater- the succession of the see of Peter aka the pope
They were on a huge rock formation...there is no "play" on words...you don't get to choose which parts of Scripture you can say is a play on words because that is what you're doing. Matthew 16:13 mentions Caesarea Philppi which is very significant to Matthew 16:18. Read your bibles people and not just listen to what just anyone says even if they have a fancy degree.
Kevin, the exegesis is sound. Any contorting of Scripture to make the passage say, “Peter will be the pope” is a far cry from good reason. I understand there’s a large emotional component to this discussion, but truth is black and white. Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus built his church on Peter. Otherwise he’d have said, “You are Petros, and on you I will build my church.”
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It was play on words, most scholars would agree with this. Simon's name was changed to Kephas (Aramaic for rock) in John 1:42. When Matthew wrote his Gospel, he wrote in Greek where there are gender specific nouns, so he could not use "petra" because it was feminine, so he used "petros" which is masculine. It had absolutely nothing to do with a small vs. large rock as many try to say, Matthew was simply using the Greek language properly. Jesus play on words was directed to Peter alone, showing that it was to be Peter upon whom Jesus would build His church upon. Not that Peter is THE ROCK in the same way Jesus is called the ROCK or CORNERSTONE, but as the human leader of Jesus' church. Peter isn't taking anything away from Jesus by being called a rock also, because we know that the Bible also calls the Twelve Apostles "foundations" in Rev. 21:14.
@@jzak5723 The rhetoric and flow of argument and play on words does NOT lend itself to Jesus meaning, “I’m building my church on you.” This is terrible exegesis, given the entire point of Matthew’s gospel-to prove that Jesus is the Christ. That fact, which Matthew forms his entire gospel on, is culminated in Peter’s statement in Matthew 16. His use of the demonstrative pronoun “upon THIS rock” indicates he’s not talking to Peter. He’s looking at Peter and saying, “You are Peter, and on THIS rock (something other than Peter) I will build my church.” This is all besides the fact that in secular Greek literature, there is an often distinct difference drawn between the meaning of petros and Petra. And I don’t think it can be stated with absolute fact that Jesus and his disciples were speaking in Aramaic all the time. Jesus’ disciples were uneducated men who most assuredly would’ve spoken the common Greek language. The Catholic argument to the contrary is nonsense, considering every New Testament writing is in GREEK.
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Jesus undoubtedly spoke multiple languages, but the consensus among scholars is that he more likely than not would have used Aramaic as his everyday language. Neither you or I can absolutely prove it one way or the other because we were not present.
quote; . His use of the demonstrative pronoun “upon THIS rock” indicates he’s not talking to Peter. He’s looking at Peter and saying, “You are Peter, and on THIS rock (something other than Peter) I will build my church.”
The use of the demonstrative "THIS" can be used to refer to the same person previously mentioned or alluded to, in this case, PETER. It doesn't have to refer to someone or something else.
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" Jesus undoubtedly spoke multiple languages, but the consensus among scholars is that he more likely than not would have used Aramaic as his everyday language. Neither you or I can absolutely prove it one way or the other because we were not present. "
This argument is nothing more than hoping. Every verese of Scripture must evaluated in light of the totality of Scripture. What does the rest of the Bible say about Peter being a pope or the papacy? Nothing! It's nothing more than hoping for something that just isn't.
He's clearly speaking to Simon Peter about Simon Peter, as illustrative as ever for a Man used to speaking in parables, so even the most ignorant could understand...then run that through all your various languages and translations, and you have to try and suss out meaning. But the meaning is clear. Upon Simon Peter. And He did.
Nope. His church was “built on the apostles and prophets, Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.” I hate seeing Christians who develop extremely tedious and complex theologies on single verses which have multiple possible meanings to them. A man left alone on a desert island with nothing but a Bible would never come up with the Catholic Church. Years of tradition and false teachings have perpetuated something that should be taken down.
Try my explanation... It's not peter... It's the fundamental principles he was teaching, about love and forgiveness etc..
I explain here
David Shepard
" He's clearly speaking to Simon Peter about Simon Peter, "
The context of the entire passage is about the identity of Jesus, not Peter.
Matthew 16:13
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
It is obviously clear that the text refers to Peter’s knowledge coming from God through the Holy Spirit
And Jesus will build his Church on the foundation of this truth
However we do not see Keys again (plural) until mentioned again in Revelation 1:18 ….”and I have the keys of death and of Hades”
There are two deaths mentioned in scripture.
Therefore there must be two kingdoms of God
One through the Holy Spirit on earth and the other through the Holy Spirit in the Kingdom of God.
Whatever is bound or forbidden and whatever is loosened or permitted .
On a side note :-
Brings me to Acts where Peter’s vision of the unclean animals, to go and eat - caused Peter to reply with “surely not” -- as it was forbidden.
Somehow my understanding is that in order for the gentiles to have been accepted Peter would have to permit it to be so.
Because Peter held the keys through the Holy Spirit to loosening and binding.
peter never led the church
What translation do you use?
Also I appreciate that you mentioned that “Hell” is not the correct word translated. I was wondering if you could share with me on why it’s not the correct translated word? And where I can look into that some more.
Because I have some friends that KJVOist and one of there arguments is that the KJV is the perfect translation of the Bible. “That’s why KJV is the only word of Gods” and not the ESV, NET, NKJV or any other translations is not the word of God.
Another one of there arguments is that “ There is only one God so there should only be one translation or Bible. And that Christians need to be consistent with one Bible/translation thro the years/generation”
Even if Jesus is saying that He will build His church on Peter, He doesn't say that subsequent Christians may elect successors to Peter who will inherit that promise. If earlier Christians adopted the same form as secular political organization with kings and lesser nobility, in the church being pope and ecclesiastical hierarchy, that doesn't necessarily mean that Christ has established that ancient form in the era of democracies.
Jesus said YOU to Peter 7 times
You is second person SINGULAR
7 is the number of perfection
No one was EVER called Peter before
Did Jesus speak these words in Greek or Aramaic?
my question also
Excellent
Catholics have the right to say that Peter is the Rock Foundation/Corner Stone of the Roman Catholic Church, 100% correct... but definitely NOT the Rock (Corner Stone) for which the Church of God was established (built upon) by/thru Christ Jesus, around 2000 years ago (1st Cent. A.D.)... Amen
Not 100% correct. From what I’ve seen through research is that Peter founded the Greek Orthodox Church. NOT the Catholic Church. There’s no biblical justification of saying that Peter founded the Catholic Church. Unless you want to account for Jesus Christ telling Peter… get behind me Satan! If you know the Bible you know exactly which scripture in Matthew it is, and you know the reason why he said it. If you need to ask, then you don’t know the Bible. I have a feeling that Jewish Sadducee’s are somehow related to the Catholic Church. But I have no definitive proof. Although I’m willing to discuss it with you. Read the letters of Paul and who they were directed to. That’s a good place for you to start.
Matthew 17:22 And Jesus said unto them, BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEF: for verily I say unto you, IF YOU HAVE “FAITH” as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, IF YOU HAD “FAITH” as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.(Mark 4:30-32).
Jesus make clearly that the FAITH of His disciples was smaller than the mostly small seed.
And that was after 3 years having Him as their greatest Teacher.
Then WHAT can be called as FAITH if even His church of disciples was NOT ABLE to have FAITH after 3 years having Jesus as their greatest Teacher ?.
Thinking about the right answer please don’t forget Bible verses making clearly to see even that mostly small FAITH of His church as totally PREVAILED(destroyed) seeing Jesus CRUCIFIED.
WHY ???
And WHAT they was not able to have AS FAITH seeing Jesus AS CHRIST CRUCIFIED ???
And then after cross WHAT FUNDAMENT(rock) was used by Jesus to BUILD His church so that their hears will be BURNING in Luke 24:32 ???.
In Matt 16:18 Jesus put as main CONDITION for the ROCK, His promises that His church will NEVER be PREVAILED.
But there on the cross they was more than PREVAILED(Matt 17:20 Luke 17:6 Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27).
When were true that His church was build already in Matthew 16:18 BEFORE the cross then we can only say that His church was TOTALLY PREVAILED already there SEEING Jesus CRUCIFIED.(Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27).
Already before to create any creature, Christ CRUCIFIED was planned to be the mostly great POWER to DRAW peoples to Him.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth(being crucified) I will draw ALL men unto Me.
But His first church of disciples is flying away from Him:
Matt 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, ALL ye shall be offended because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd(Christ) and the sheep(disciples) of the flock shall be scattered abroad.(Mark 14:27).
&So is clearly that His church was NOT BUILD in Matt 16:18 because seeing Him CRUCIFIED they was not able to have even their smallest FAITH mentioned in Matt 17:20 Luke 17:6 since Luke 24:21 Matt 25:31 Mark 14:27....
According with the MAIN CONDITION which Jesus put in Matt 16:18 He CANNOT have a church which seeing Him CRUCIFIED because of sins, get TOTALLY PREVAILED even their smallest FAITH.
&Now we have as more than clearly that His church was NOT build in Matthew 16:18 BEFORE the cross.
BUT in Matt 16:18 saying ““I WILL”” BUILD MY CHURCH, Jesus was referring the time AFTER cross when beginning with Luke 24:27,44 He will EXPLAIN them the Law of laws as TEACHINGS about Sanctuary stared already before all creation as only one possible FUNDAMENT(rock) mentioned in very many verses like Colos 2:1-3 Luke 24:25,26,27,32,44,45.46 and shortly defined by the Father in Matthew 16:16 as ROCK(fundament).
For this reason we see verses like Acts 15:21 about His disciples CONTINUING (like Jesus in Luke 24:27,44) using the TEACHINGS about Sanctuary written by Moses to build more HEARTS BURNING in EVERY city in EVERY Sabbath(John 6:4,45 Exod 24:12 Gal 3:24 Gal 2:20 etc)..
According with Matt 16:22 Matt 26:70,72Mark 14:68,70Luke 22:57 John 18:25,27 Peter being against the MAIN CONDITION installed by Jesus in Matt 16:18 Peter demonstrated himself mostly weak man, as most PREVAILED just after Father’s saying in Matt 16:16 to put the FUNDAMENT(rock) explained in all other verses like Luke 24:25,26,27,32,44,45.46 shortly defined in Matt 16:16.
Matt 10:33 But whosoever shall DENY Me before men, him will I also DENY before My Father which is in heaven.
Luke 12:9 But he that DENIETH Me before men shall be DENIED before the angels of God.
John 18:27 Peter then DENIED AGAIN(3th time-Luke 22:34,61) and immediately the cock crew.
After he always PROMISED that he will be the only one (among all-Matt 26:35) who will NEVER DENY Jesus(Matt 26:35Luke finally Peter saw himself(already 3th time) as as mostly big liar among all disciples... so that as mostly big liar among disciples Catholics will put Peter as their FUNDAMENT(rock) and as first holy father... of liars(John 8:44 Rom 3:4).
&As you will see in the next verses His church was build using AS FUNDAMENT(rock) the Law of laws of the Sanctuary(Colos 2:1-3 Exodus 24:12 John 6:44,45 John 17:17 Psa 77:13 Galatians 3:24 Gal 2:20 Rom 12:1) PUTTING THEIR HEART IN FIRE just as you see in Luke 24:32
Luke 24:25 and He said unto them, O FOOLISH MEN, and SLOW of heart TO BELIEVE in ALL that “”THE PROPHETS HAVE spoken !””.
Luke 24:26 Behooved it not THE CHRIST to suffer these things, and TO ENTER into His glory?.
Luke 24:27 And BEGINNING FROM MOSES(LawS of Sanctuary) and from all THE PROPHETS, He interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are My words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that ALL things must needs be fulfilled, which are written IN THE LAW OF MOSES, AND the prophets, AND the psalms, concerning Me.
Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Was not our ””’HEART BURNING””” within us, while He spake to us in the way, while he OPENED to us the SCRIPTURES ?.
Revelation 3:16 So because thou(SDA) art LUKEWARM, and neither HOT(heart burning) nor COLD, I will spew thee out of My mouth.
According with Jesus’ saying in Luke 24:25 you are FOOLISH and SLOW of heart without studying the Old Testament to BELIEVE in ALL that “”THE PROPHETS HAVE spoken !””.
Luke 16:29 They have MOSES(LawS of Sanctuary) and the PROPHETS; let THEM hear.
Luke 16:31 If they hear not MOSES(LawS about Sanctuary-Colos 2:1-3) and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
According with Luke 24:26 you also don’t KNOW that Jesus was to suffer AS CHRIST(Sanctuary-Colos 2:1-3) these things TO ENTER into His glory, and according with John 17:22 THE GLORY which His Father gave Him, Jesus will give us so that we may be ONE, even as we are ONE TO ENTER INTO THE GLORY AFTER OUR SUFFERING(Matt 24:7-10 Rev 13:15 Matt 16:18 Rom 8:17; 2Thess 1:5; 2Tim 2:3; 2Tim 4:3,5 Hebr 10:32 Hebr 11:25,36 Hebr 12:2,3,7 James 5:10; 1Peter 2:19,20,2; 1Peter 3:14,17; 1Peter 4:16,19; 1Peter 5:9,10 Acts 7:34 Matt 20:12 Rev 14:7 Luke 17:25 John 16:21 Rev 2:3,10 Acts 7:34).
John 1:29 The next day John SEETH Jesus coming unto him, and saith, “BEHOLD” THE LAMB(sanctuary) OF GOD, which taketh AWAY the sin of the world.
John 1:36 And LOOKING upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, “BEHOLD” THE LAMB(Sanctuary) OF GOD.(Colos 2:1-3 Psa 77:13).
Colos 2:1 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea(SDA) and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
Col 2:2 That THEIR HEARTS MIGHT BE COMFORTED(Luke 24:32) being UNITED TOGETHER IN LOVE, and unto ALL RICHES of the full assurance of UNDERSTANDING, to the acknowledgement OF THE MYSTERY OF GOD which is CHRIST(Sanctuary-John 2:21);
Col 2:3 In whom are hid ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.
Colos 1:26 THE MYSTERY(Sanctuary) which hath been HID FROM AGES and from GENERATIONS, but now is made manifest to his SAINTS(Rev 14:12):
Col 1:27 To whom God would MAKE KNOWN what is the riches of the GLORY OF THIS MYSTERY(Sanctuary) among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.
1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that YOUR BODY IS THE TEMPLE(sanctuary) of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cor 6:20 For YOU are bought with a price(on the cross) THEREFORE GLORIFY GOD IN YOUR BODY, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, FEAR God(keep His commandments) and GIVE GLORY TO HIM; for the HOUR of HIS JUDGMENT is come: and WORSHIP HIM THAT CREATED heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters(Exod 20:11).
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea “LET” GOD BE TRUE(in His Laws), but EVERY “MAN” A LIAR; as it is written, That YOU(God) mightest be JUSTIFIED in YOUR SAYINGS(in Your Laws) and mightest OVERCOME when YOU(God) are judged(in Rev.14:7) according with John 5:22,24,27 John 3:17,18 John 12:47: 1Cor 11:31; 1Cor 2:15; 1Cor 6:3,4.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that KEEP the commandments OF God, and the faith OF Jesus(Luke 4:16).
Rev 12:17 And the dragon(Satan) was wroth with the WOMAN(SDA church) and went to make WAR with the REMNANT OF HER seed, which KEEP the commandments OF God, and have the testimony OF Jesus Christ.(Rev 19:19 Rev 17:14 Matt 24:28 Gal 2:20).
P.S. The Bible and even EGW make clearly that Jews refusing to know Jesus AS CHRIST(as Sanctuary) will be repeated(right now) by the whole Christianity refusing to know the TEACHINGS(laws) about Sanctuary as to know Jesus AS CHRIST(as Sanctuary).
Since the disciples was already TAUGHT that Christ will never die(crucified-John 12:34) even the greatest Teacher Jesus was not anymore able to teach His disciples to accept Him as Sanctuary(crucified-Colos 2:1-3) and all of them was lost sheep’s seeing their King death on the cross... And now the Christianity are living in the same situation refusing to see Galatians 3:24 talking also about ceremonial Law bringing people to Christ.
Without to study all about Jesus and His life you will never be able to see you as guided by the Holy Ghost to have the same life so that finally you will fulfill also Galatians 2:20 (Rom 12:1 Rom 6:8; 2Tim 2:11 Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 Matt 24:28 Luke 17:37).
EGW wrote:
I am asked concerning the law in Galatians. What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments. 1SM 233.1
CHURCH MEAN CHURCH BUILDING OR ? CAN YOU EXPLAIN.
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" CHURCH MEAN CHURCH BUILDING OR ? CAN YOU EXPLAIN. "
To see what the defintion of the church was, we only need to read the New Testament. Here are some verses that clearly show that the chuch is thosre who follow Jesus and not a building, denomination or religion. You can replace THE CHURCH in the following verses with THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS.
1 Corinthians 16:19
The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with THE CHURCH IN THEIR HOUSE, send you hearty greetings in the Lord.
Philemon 1:2
And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and THE CHURCH IN YOUR HOME:
Romans 16:5
Greet also THE CHURCH IN THEIR HOUSE. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia.
Colossians 4:15
Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha AND THE CHURCH IN HER HOUSE.
Church means the body of believers in Christ. We can meet and pray together in our homes (as the early Christians did) or we can meet in a special building. The choice is yours.
For 1500 years 100% of all Christians believed this verse to mean something different. The test was actually originally in Aramaic
Because they didn’t have the written/printed Bible to read for themselves. The RCC actively prohibited regular people from reading the Bible!
Original NT manuscripts were in Koine Greek. Let’s trust the actually inspired NT documents.
Stephen Ray has a video on
Peter and the Keys
He was a Protestant and converted to Catholic
The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-140) in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD).[1] He died in Rome, with his relics located in the Basilica of San Clemente al Laterano.
The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 AD to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote:
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.[21][25][26]
Of the meaning for Ignatius of this phrase J.H. Srawley wrote:
This is the earliest occurrence in Christian literature of the phrase 'the Catholic Church' (ἡ καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία). The original sense of the word is 'universal'. Thus Justin Martyr (Dial. 82) speaks of the 'universal or general resurrection', using the words ἡ καθολικὴ ἀνάστασις. Similarly here the Church universal is contrasted with the particular Church of Smyrna. Ignatius means by the Catholic Church 'the aggregate of all the Christian congregations' (Swete, Apostles Creed, p. 76). So too the letter of the Church of Smyrna is addressed to all the congregations of the Holy Catholic Church in every place. This sense of 'universal' the word has never been lost.
You protestants need to come back to the one true Catholic Church. Peter is the rock and for over 1500 years it was this way until you changed it for your heretic views.
1:17 you are teaching a false doctrine! It is a universal truth that Petros (Πέτρος) is the masculine of Petra (πέτρα).
The Greek names of males or masculine words generally end with "ος" and female names or feminine words end with "α" for example:
Petros (Πέτρος), Petra (Πέτρα)
Alexios (Αλέξιος), Alexia (Αλεξία)
Aurelios (Αυρήλιος), Aurelia (Αουρελια)
Leontios (Λεόντιος), Leontia (Λεοντια)
Anastasios (Αναστάσιος), Anastasia (Αναστασία)
Maximos (Μάξιμος), Maxima (Μάξιμα)
Philippos (Φίλιππος), Philippa (Φίλιππα)
Dionysios (Διονύσιος), Dionysia (Διονυσία)
Polybios (Πολύβιος), Polybia (Πολύβια)
Demetrios (Δημήτριος), Demitria (Δήμητρα)
Lenos (Λένος), Lena (Λένα)
Linos (Λίνος), Lina (Λίνα)
Theodoros (Θεόδωρος), Theodora (Θεοδώρα)
Angelos (Άγγελος), Angela (Άντζελα)
Grigorios (Γρηγόριος), Grigoria (Γρηγορία)
Petros DOES NOT mean a small stone that can fit in your hand, Petros is simply the masculine word of Petra. If you speak Spanish you know this fact too, there are feminine and masculine words for example: flaco (skinny) and flaca (skinny), although they are different words, they mean the same thing! flaco is used only for males and flaca is used only for females. If you use "flaca" to describe a man, it is almost like an insult.
Jesus did not give Simon a Greek nickname! Jesus gave him an Aramaic nickname!
John 1:42 "...."You are Simon son of John. You are to be called "Cephas." When you translate Cephas to Greek, the translation is Petra ("πέτρα") which means ROCK, but because Simon is a male, the translator cannot give him a name ending with "α" because that is feminine in Greek. The translator has to give him a male name by putting "ος" at the end, thus, the male name becomes Petros ("Πέτρος), which means "Male of rock" or "Masculine of rock" or "man of rock" or "macho rock" or any description that makes it clear that Simon is a male! The translation of Matthew 16:18 reads: "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."
That is why the catholic church is teaching the truth, because Matthew 16:18 translates to: "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."
Notice how the Greek words "Petra" and "Petros" are used in our daily life, for example:
The word "Petrology" is composed of two Greek words: (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and (λόγος), lógos which means [study]. Thus, the word "Petrology" is the study of rocks! Petrology is a branch of geology and the scientific name was invented without a religious bias and by simply using the Greek language.
The word "Petrogenesis" is composed of two greek words: (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and (γένεσις) Genesis which means [Origin]. For this reason "petrogenesis" is the branch of petrology dealing with the origin and formation of rocks.
The word "Petroglyph" is composed of 2 Greek words, (πέτρος) petros which means [rock] and Glyph (γλύφω) which means "Sculpt or carve." That is why the "petroglyphs" are figures carved on rock. You have seen them in museums, the figures of animals and people that our ancestors carved or sculpted on rocks, they are called petroglyphs!
The word "Petrochemistry" is composed of 2 words: petros (πέτρος) which means [rock] and Chemistry which is the Science that studies the composition and properties of matter. That is why "Petrochemistry" is the branch of Chemistry concerned with the composition and formation of rocks; it also studies crude oil, petroleum and its derivatives!
The word "petroleum" comes from the Greek word: (πέτρα) petra which means [rock] and the Latin word (Oleum) which means oil. That is why Petroleum is literally translated as "rock Oil" because petroleum is oil that has been derived from rocks (animals that have been petrified over millions of years.) All of this has nothing to do with religion, it is science that is using Greek words to name new discoveries such as petroleum.
The word "Petrify" derives from the Greek word (Πέτρα) Petra which means [rock] and the Latin suffix "-ify" which means "to become," thus, Petrify means to become stone.
Do you want more? The English word "Petrosus" which means ROCKY or STONY is directly derived from the Greek word (πέτρος) Petros which means [rock].
Dear protestant brothers and sisters, stop teaching lies that are contrary to the Greek language and contrary to biblical scripture. I know that you are just repeating the lies that you were taught by others because you think they are the truth, but you have been deceived!
Now, that I have shown you the truth that Petros (Πέτρος) and Petra (Πέτρα) are the same word but in masculine and feminine forms, you have no excuse to believe the lies that you have been taught! If you see anyone in your congregation or anyone in general teaching a false doctrine, correct them and teach them the truth that you have seen and read!
I tell you this because the bible has warned us about people that will come teaching a different gospel! Do not be deceived by false teacher, because it is written in Galatians 1:6-9 that there will be people who are going to confuse you and they will want to pervert the gospel of Christ, but anyone who brings a gospel different from that which has been taught, BE ACCURSED!
For nearly 2000 years, the gospel of Jesus Christ has said: Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you, you are "man of rock", and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it."
But now false teachers have comed with a different gospel claiming that Simon is not the rock where Jesus builds his church. LET THEM BE ACCURSED for teaching a different gospel!
John 8:31-32 "He said to the Jews who believed, “If you keep and obey My Word, then you are My followers for sure.You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”
Scientist Albert Einstein, in your lengthy response, you have failed to explain why Jesus uses a masculine and feminine Greek noun in contrast to one another. I’m not ignorant of the fact that Petros means rock. But Jesus contrasted petros with Petra. It doesn’t take your lengthy treatise to understand he’s using a play on words. Also, you bypassed the entirety of the surrounding context. The Biblical precedent for the papacy is utterly absent. As is the Biblical precedent for hail Mary’s, rosaries, human priests, catholic conceptions of sainthood, and the list carries on eternally. I stand my ground, knowing I’m not the deceived.
@@damayfield1 You say: "in your lengthy response, you have failed to explain why Jesus uses a masculine and feminine Greek noun in contrast to one another." Didn't not you read my comment, I gave you chapter and verse of the REAL nickname of Simon: John 1:42"...."You are Simon son of John. You are to be called "Cephas." So, dear protestant brother, Jesus DID NOT give Simon a Greek nickname, the Greek nickname is a translation. Jesus did not use a "word play" in Greek, Jesus used an ARAMAIC WORD which means ROCK.
And yes, you have been deceived and you are deceiving others, but you are too blind to realize it for it is written in Matthew 15:14 "...they are blind guides of the blind. And if one blind person guides another, both will fall into a pit."
Your response is topical of a protestant attacking the fundamental truths of the Church of Jesus Christ.
You say: "Biblical precedent for the papacy is utterly absent..."
NO, my dear protestant brother, Jesus spoke clearly in Matthew 16:19 Jesus told Simon Cephas that he is going to be a "Pope" (father) for the church/congregation. And Jesus paraphrases Isaiah 22:20-22 so that everyone understands that Simon Cephas has the authority in the church Isaiah 22:20-22 "On that day I will call my servant Eliakim son of Hilkiah, 21 and will clothe him with your robe and bind your sash on him. I will commit your authority to his hand, and HE SHALL BE A FATHER to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder THE KEY of the house of David; he shall open, and no one shall shut; he shall shut, and no one shall open."
See, you have been deceived! And in your ignorance you deceive others!
You also say: "that the Biblical precedent for hail Mary’s, rosarie is absent..."
Dear protestant brother, we Catholics do not invent anything! We are BIBLICAL, we stay true to the Gospel and the word of God Luke 1:28 "And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored the Lord with you; blessed you among women!”
Luke 1:41-42 "And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed you among women, and blessed the fruit of your womb!"
Luke 1:48 "For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed."
This is the Gospel, the gospel that TRUE CHRISTIANS proclaim! Not like you dear protestant brother that is a blind guide guiding the blind.
And for future responses stick to a logical response and a single subject, do not respond to me with another topic because that is the way protestants work. We are talking about petros and petra and now look we end up talking about Mary and the rosary. Imagine if I ask you now, why do you protestants ask for the tithe if the tithe is Food:
Nehemiah 13:12 The tithe is FOOD that your field grows, the grain, the wine and the oil, and it is taken to the storehouses.
Leviticus 27:32 The tithe is MEAT from cattle, heard, flocks. It is cheese, milk, or any product that passes under the shepherd’s staff.
Leviticus 27:30 "All tithes from the land, whether the seed from the ground or the fruit from the tree, are the Lord’s; they are holy to the Lord."
Numbers 18:21 God GAVE EVERY tithe to the LEVITE PRIEST. (Your pastor is not a Levite priest, so why is he asking for the tithe?)
Deuteronomy 14:22 "Set apart a tithe of all the yield of your seed that is brought in yearly from the field."
Deuteronomy 14:28 "Every THIRD YEAR you shall bring out the full tithe of your PRODUCE for that year, and store it within your towns;"
Do you see now? The tithe is FOOD that gets stored in the storehouses, but why do they ask for FOOD and then store it? READ Deuteronomy 26:12 "When you have finished paying all the tithe of your PRODUCE in the third year (WHICH IS THE YEAR OF THE TITHE), giving it to the Levites, the aliens, the orphans, and the widows, so that they may eat their fill within your towns,"
Oh, now it all makes sense! The tithe is FOOD for the poor, the widow, the orphan, the alien, the Levite Priest. That is why the tithe is stored in the storehouses so that the POOR can eat all year long from there!
Leviticus 27:30 "All tithes from the land, whether the seed from the ground or the fruit from the tree, are the Lord’s; they are holy to the Lord."
That is why the Bible says that the tithe belongs to God, because it is GOD who feeds the widow, the orphan, the foreigner and the Priest. It is GOD who feeds those who have nothing to eat! The Bible says that GOD opens the floodgates of heaven and pours out the blessed rain so that the fruits of the soil are not destroyed Malachi 3:10-11 "GOD opens the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you an overflowing blessing (THE RAIN). 11 I will rebuke the locust for you, so that it will not destroy the produce of your soil; and your vine in the field shall not be barren."
SEE? is GOD who protects your fields from the locust, is God who makes the blessed rain fall, that is why 10% of the crops belongs to GOD, that 10% is to feed the poor THAT IS THE TITHE!
Scientist Albert Einstein, Here’s the deal. If you can read a verse about Mary being most blessed among women-and somehow derive the precedent for rosaries and Hail Marys-then something has gone wrong in your exegesis. My analysis of Matthew 16 is exegetically sound. And as my last comment, you fail to understand Ephesians 2, which says the apostles and prophets are the foundation of the church, Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone. Until the judgment.
@@damayfield1 Since you want to change the subject I will play your tricks too. Here is the thing the tithe is Food for the Poor not money for the thief pastor. Show me chapter and verse where the bible says that the tithe is money for the pastor.
Scientist Albert Einstein, again, in your interpretation of Scripture you assume almost as much as you do of total strangers. Where in the new covenant did God command tithes? It is ironic that you are indicting non-Catholics for misusing funds. Where did Jesus command that we build giant temples for mass?
The rock was Christ as in 1CORINTHIANS 10:3-4, Christ is a Greek word means anointed one, and in Hebrew is Messiah means anointed one. As Acts 10:38, and in John 4:25-26, the woman said, I know that Messiah { called Christ } is coming. When he comes he will explain everything to us. [ 26 ] THEN JESUS Declared, I who speak to you, I am he. ( Hades not prevail to Christ) As in Acts 2: 22-24, 31, 32, to God be the Glory
This rock is the Whole Earth.
Peter is a piece of rock! I agree with your breakdown too.
Another thought! Jesus is called the rock.jesus also said He is building the church, not Peter, Paul….
These are some of the verses in the Bible, that prove, narrate, and acknowledge Christ Jesus as the ROCK FOUNDATION (Corner Stone) in which the Church of God was built and not upon Peter... Matt. 7:24-27 / Luke 6:46-49 / 1 Corinthians. 3:10-11 / Ephesians 2:19-22 / 1 Peter 2:4-8 / Psalm 118:22 / Isaiah 28:16... Amen.
Of course Peter is under Christ The first Pope and the titles of the Popes ?? "Servant of the servants of Christ" ........Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! ....
You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ......
Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read:
And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1).
The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions:
These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7).
Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating:
He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16).
Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18).
As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches.
Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12).
Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
@@1234poppycat According to the scripture, the NAME by which Christ Jesus built and founded was called "CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS" in the 1st Cent. A.D....
Did Peter change the NAME of the Church given by Christ Jesus before he died, resurrected, and ascended back to Heaven into the Roman Catholic (Universal) Apostolic Church?... How about the Greek Orthodox Churches which were much earlier Churches in Asia Minor in the 2nd Cent. A.D. than the Roman Catholic Churches?
Did Peter ask the 1st Cent. A.D. Christians, to call him POPE or PAPA?... Did the Apostles call Peter their POPE?
Biblically speaking, when it comes to religious/spiritual or Church matters, Christ Jesus strictly forbids Christians not to call themselves FATHER (Pope/Papa), for they have one Spiritual Father in Heaven... Christians must call each other (Brethren in
Christ) as "Brothers and Sisters."... All are equal to each other as ONE Body in Christ Jesus, and not to be addressed as "MOST REVEREND or MOST HOLY" to the other... called VANITY and not HUMILITY...
Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@1234poppycat Christ Jesus is the ROCK upon which God's Church was built and founded... Apostle Simon Bar Jonah's name was changed into CEPHA (Aramaic word for Rock) to remind us that it was to him that God revealed the True Identity of Christ Jesus as the Son of God... through Christ Jesus, the Church of God is built upon the ROCK which is Christ Jesus... (ref. Psalm 28:1 / Numbers 20:8 / 2 Samuel 2:22 & 47 / Matt. 7:24 / 1 Corin. 3:11 & 10:1-12 / Ephesians 2:20, etc.)
The Bible said, "TEST every SPIRIT if they are from God or not." (ref. 1 John 4)...
@@jvlp2046 The Catholic Christian Church was founded at Pentecost The Churches in Eastern Europe in the second century were still part of the ONE Holy Catholic Church -- the split only began at 1040
@@1234poppycat WRONG!... You are just FOOLING yourself... WAKEUP (google it)... FYI, History attested that the Catholic (Universal) Church never started during Pentecost for there is only ONE CHURCH built/founded by Christ Jesus in the 1st Cent. A.D. which is the "CHURCH OF GOD in CHRIST JESUS" that was written in the Bible (Holy Scriptures)...
The CATHOLIC (Universal) Churches was founded and established only in the 4th Century under the Roman Emperor Constantine... called the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church... the word CATHOLIC (Universal) had never been written in the Bible or used by the early 7-Churches in Asia Minor (presently Turkey)... The Early 7-Churches in Asia Minor never ever called their Christian Churches, CATHOLIC (Universal) Church...
Why the word CATHOLIC (Universal) was used?... because at that time (4th Cent. A.D.), when the Latin-speaking Christians (Western Churches of the early 4th Cent. A.D.) and Greek-speaking Christians (Eastern Orthodox Churches of the 2nd Cent. A.D.) became UNITED during the conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine who stopped the persecution of the Christians and adopted CHRISTIANITY in the Roman Empire... thus, the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH was invented/ created/founded...
When the Great SCHISM of 1054 A.D. broke (total split) between the Latin/Western Roman Church and Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church, the name CATHOLIC stayed with the Western Roman Churches which should be LITERALLY no longer UNIVERAL (Catholic) in that sense... however, the name stayed that way till now...
Logically speaking, how can we now say the word "CATHOLIC" (Universal) if the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church no longer recognizes the LEADERSHIP of the PAPACY and some of the POPE's Doctrines up to this day?...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church called their Head Elder Brother, "BISHOP" which literally means Spiritual "OVERSEERS" (Episcopal), and not called POPE/PAPA (Spiritual Father) which is forbidden and against the teaching of the Bible...
The Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to the practice of the Spoken/Oral Traditions and Written (Epistles) Doctrines interpretation of the Early 7 Churches in Asia Minor during the 1st Cent. A.D. mentioned in the Book of Revelation...
After the Great SCHISM, the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church is still been persecuted up to this day in the Middle East and other parts of the World while on the other hand, the Western Roman CATHOLIC Church persecuted many Christians as early as the 12th Cent. A.D. that resulted in PROTESTANTISM in the 16th Cent. A.D....
Aside from that, the R.C.C. now has SIGNED a JOINT-RELIGION with ISLAM (Muslims) and JUDAISM (Israelite Jews) called the "ABRAHAMIC RELIGION" (3 Religion United as One)... just last year, 2023...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
God bless you
Is this a form of religion (i will build my church)
Personal interpretation.
Church is the body of believers.
I think Peter was considered a stone in the church built on the bedrock. As were his disciples. Loosed could mean the holy spirit as it leads because Peter was given the Holy fire. Man took this back then and twisted it for power. Peter even today is idolized through the Pope.
Peter was assuredly a stone on the bedrock. And yes, man has idolized Peter and the much of the Christian faith went awry because of it. In context, however, there's no solid connection between "loosing" and "Holy fire." Context must be the standard. In the context of Matthew's gospel, loosing and binding have a lot to do with opening and closing the doors to God's kingdom.
@@damayfield1 Would Jesus not consider the holy spirit the one that loosens and binds? Its really not Peter or the others at all....its the holy spirit that works through them. That is the connection I am making. Peter does not work on his of merit...he is driven by the spirit. Really it has nothing to do with Peter, the whole point is that Peter was given the way in.....a key. That key is the holy spirit that looses and binds.
@@jbelle7133, of course, Peter isn't the authority. Everything ultimately points back to God, or Christ, or the Spirit. I'm simply saying, the Spirit is not the object of the discussion. If He were, Jesus would have said so. Keys, in CONTEXT, have to do with binding and loosing the kingdom--in some way. In Matthew 18, binding and loosing have to do with accepting a brother in to the church or pushing him out of the church, all of which Jesus said, "will have already been bound (or loosed) in heaven." The real activity of binding and loosing is done in heaven. The immediate, practical nature of binding and loosing is done by church leaders, the first of whom were the apostles.
@@damayfield1
Actually, the Jewish definition of binding and loosing simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority. Somewhat different that what you said.
Yes, Peter was a foundation stone of the church, while Jesus is the chief cornerstone. But to say we "idolize" Peter, are you implying that we "worship" him in some way? If you are, then let me say, you are badly mistaken.
Again, context is key. Jesus mentioned “keys,” then he spoke of what Peter would do with those keys-binding and loosing. The connection is unmistakeable.
As for who idolizes Peter, you must answer for yourself. Wearing his name, praying through him, generating images in his name-these are practical idolizations.
Correction... Take note, that Christ Jesus never speaks the Greek language to His Apostles/disciples... but speaks Hebrew-Aramaic for that was the only language most of them knew... Christ Jesus used the word "Cephas' (Kepha) to Apostles Simeon Bar-jonah and not in the Greek words such as Petra or Petros (Peter in English).
Read the text of Matthew 16:18-19 logically and you will understand who the rock is. It is Peter.
@@albertd.6179 read the entire Bible, logically, and you’ll understand that such a notion is ridiculous. The church is built on Jesus. “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be likened to a wise man who built his house upon the rock.”
@damayfield1 Did you read Matthew 16:18-19 logically? What does it mean to read a text logically? It means one thing should follow another, and there should not be any contradiction.
@damayfield1 If you have read the Bible logically, you would not remain a Protestant.
@@KenAnderson-i5b When Matthew 16:18-19 is read logically, it is evident that Peter is the rock on which Jesus the builder or architect intends to build his Church. That does not mean that Jesus turns Peter into a literal rock just like we don't understand God or Jesus to be a literal rock.
Being head of the Church, Peter is in deed acting like the Pope. Pope does not mean he cannot err in ordinary matters, but he is preserved from error in matters of doctrines and morals.
Why does he address Peter? "Give you the keys" You is Peter no?
No, the church is "you"
@@IamSaraDCR The church is "you"? A Jehovah witness? A Mormon? An evangelical Christian? Oneness Pentecostal? A catholic? All part of this "you" church?
@@nardforu131 you're mentioning religions. I'm referring to the church as in the body of Christ.
The Bible says in John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME."
Acts 16:30-31
"30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Read what the Bible says about these division in 1 Corinthians 1: 10-17
"10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void."
There are many other passages in the scriptures but there would be no space to mention them all here. But mostly I invite you to read the Bible and pray God to give you wisdom and discernment to understand. He loves you and will answer your prayer.
@@nardforu131
" The church is "you"? A Jehovah witness? A Mormon? An evangelical Christian? Oneness Pentecostal? A catholic? All part of this "you" church? "
Do JW's, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, Catholics believe in Jesus we see in the Bible?
Mormon Jesus: First created being and brother of Lucifer.
JW Jesus: he is said to be Michael the Archangel.
Catholic Jesus: His sacrifice wasn't sufficient to save us.
Oneness Pentecostals Jesus: a mode of God and not the 2nd person of the Trinity.
The church is everyone who follows the Biblical Jesus and abides in his word.
Many were already calling Jesus/Yeshua the Messiah/Christ. But they did not quite understand what Messiah/Christ meant.
They had only the understanding mentally, through reason, teaching and carnal interpretation of scripture.
Some of the disciples had already said you are the Messiah.
But, what Simon had received was a revelation.
I agree with you on many things you have shown here and they are beautiful.
I have to say about this word church......
I have many problems. As it is not a correct interpretation of the word Ekklesia or her Ekklesian.
Did Jesus say Church as what people define as : Buildings, denominations, religious institutions, dogmas...etc...
Church was a word that was in use during those times and it referred to a building, a temple.
The word that was mistranslated as into the word church is Ekklesia. Ekk- Out Kaleo - Call
This inference is Called Out. This would be a much more correct translation. For God's Spirit does call us out, by name
actually. He (not our flesh- the carnal mind) gives us a revelation of Jesus, and calls us out by name.
We then become petros. He is building something. A temple of living stones. Not a man made institution.
A temple where we are called out citizens of His Kingdom. And He dwells in a temple of living beings not made by man's hands but by His.
Doesn't matter how you define it, it's still a church composed of people, and people worship in a some sort of a building normally.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Good interpretation
I think Michael Heiser’s view on this is more accurate. The rock that they’re talking about is not Peter, or Jesus. But the rock is the place where they’re standing.
Yeah, that seems to make sense. I can picture Jesus pointing at the ground as he says that. To me it seems like "And I tell you, you are Peter (a little rock) and on this rock (Jesus points at the big rock/ground they're standing on) I will build my church. It makes sense to me that way because Peter, being the little rock is part of that big rock that is the church of Christ.
@@maurice5402
" I can picture Jesus pointing at the ground as he says that. "
I can picture Jesus laying his hand on his chest; gesturing to himself.
this is stupid, Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter which means rock
This is smoke and mirrors. Jesus wasn’t speaking in Greek, he was speaking in Aramaic so this explanation is a waste of time. Jesus didn’t say, “Even though I’m speaking in Aramaic, I want the meaning to be in Greek!” This is where the Prots start fumbling all over themselves because they’re somewhat stuck on stupid. But far more importantly, it’s what Jesus is saying to Peter before and after this rock comment. Give me a break.
Jesus didn't actually say anything to Peter. He addresses Simon throughout this passage. Simon is blessed, Peter is faithless just like he dies.
So you're Catholic or protestant?
Jesus spoke arameic, not greek. In arameic Simon was called Kefas. There is no dKefas, Kefos in arameic. It's all Kefas. Differentiating between Petros and Petras in greek based on grammars makes no sense when Jesus spoke arameic.
You’re assuming Jesus was speaking Aramaic here. The NT Bible wasn’t written in Aramaic, correct? It was inspired and written in Greek by men whose primary language would have been Greek. Jesus and the disciples would have primarily spoken Greek, the common language of the entire ancient world. I’m growing weary of the Catholic argument, based entirely on assumptions. Thanks be to God that our Bibles are before us, which is all we really have to determine divine truth, is it not?
@@damayfield1 @Daniel Mayfield You are right it is an assumption, good point. But so is the assertion that Jesus spoke Greek. I can imagine that he spoke both, as well as Hebrew. The most common understanding amongst scolars though is that he spoke Aramaic, which was the common tounge in Palestine at that time.
As for Matthew's Evangelium we don't know for sure what he originally wrote it in. We don't have the originals. The earlies manuscrips we have is Koine Greek I believe, but they are copies. We do have early Christians claiming to learn from tradition that Matthew first wrote his Evangelium in Arameic.
Papias of Hierapolis, (ca 60-160), Iranaeus of Lyon ( ca 130-200) amongst others.
On divine truth I quote 1. Tim 3:15
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth"
and
2 thes 2:15
"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter"
Certainly the written letter is not the only source of divine truth.
@@damayfield1
" I’m growing weary of the Catholic argument, based entirely on assumptions. Thanks be to God that our Bibles are before us, which is all we really have to determine divine truth, is it not? "
AMEN! Catholicism is not but empty philosophy.
Awesome study, bro!
Sage Bridges, thanks for checking it out! Hope you guys are well.
Petros--- rock -- Petrus -- JESUS did not speak in Greek !! In Aramaic -- kepha -- there is no distinction !!! ....
You ended up rejecting the most comprehensive case for the bible .... AND the GOD appointed authority of his servant the Pope ......
Although Jesus’ authority as the Son of God is unique to him, he chose to associate human beings with his mission and gave them a share of authority. Thus, when he appoints the Twelve, we read:
And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity (Matt. 10:1).
The authority he shared was not just that to work miracles. The twelve disciples were his students (that’s what “disciple” means), and he prepared them to become teachers and sent them on preaching missions:
These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand’” (Matt. 10:5-7).
Later, when sending out an even larger group, he underlined the teaching authority he had given them, stating:
He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16).
Jesus also gave the Twelve the authority to govern his Church. He first gave Peter the authority “to bind and loose” (Matt. 16:19), and later he shared this with the other disciples (Matt. 18:18).
As the Church grew, authority to teach and govern was transmitted to others in the local churches.
Thus Paul writes, “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28; cf. Eph. 4:11). It is because of its teaching function that the Church serves as “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
Similarly, there are those with governing authority in the Church. The letter to the Hebrews exhorts Christians to “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account” (Heb. 13:17; cf. 1 Thess. 5:12).
Teaching and governing authority are therefore intrinsic to the structure of the Church.
meaning of church,his body he build within 3 days, rise in 3 days from the dead.
Nice exposition of truth
We, the Christians have no argument nor debate that Peter was the Rock Foundation (Corner Stone) of the Roman Catholic Church, and they are entitled to claim that 100%... but we, the Christians believe in Matthew 7:24-27(paraphrased) "The Wise Man (God) build His House (Church of God) upon the Rock (Christ Jesus)"... and not upon the Rock called by the name Peter... Amen.
Interpretation equals to evil works. Thats is why we had a lot lot lot of churches now a days. Its too simple a very clear. We are not hip hop rapper to mixed words or word playing as you mentioned in to create a greate music or bars. Walllaaahhhh...
Interesting personal interpretation although 1,000% wrong but it's OK. We learn from wrong interpretations just as much as we can figure out how someone gets to that point through their own understanding and then using the Bible to interpret the Bible, we can figure out where they went wrong.
I hope the author of the video will take time to figure out why they are wrong by reviewing the analysis of others as well and hopefully be open to the idea that they are not perfect or all knowing and can understand their are others they can learn from also.
George, thanks for commenting. I’m always willing to be corrected-especially if the reasoning for a correction is solid.
Since I’m 1000 percent incorrect, then I’m sure you have some solid explanations as to why. I’m eager to hear it.
@@damayfield1 I would love to explain however it would take a long time to fully get into the details. I'm not about to make a full length video or type out a full essay however, if you really are interested in seeing a different point of view, I would suggest looking past the idea that "it" should mean "the church" as "it" is the last thing that is mentioned. You wouldn't refer to an "it" in earlier context, as you suggest being "the rock".
Mormons and Catholics often find useful ways to make this sentence work for them. Mormons use it as the "It" being the Revelation because otherwise they have to deal with the idea that Joseph Smith is a liar because he "restored" a church that was never destroyed in the first place. They have to modify this verse to prevent them from calling Jesus a liar by his promise.
Catholics also use this verse to align the fact the Pope is the leader of the church. I'm not as clear how they achieve this false information but again, they use it to their benefit so they can make it appear perfect for the Catholic church, just another cult like Mormonism.
The verse is pretty clear. And the idea of Hell vs Hades is irrelevant actually. Who cares. We understand that both are very powerful but the CHURCH ... who's?? the HIS CHURCH will not have anything prevail against it .... what is "the church" ... the church is all those who believe that Jesus is GOD who is the one to give salvation for all those who have faith in Him.
Not by our works, charity or good deeds as we read in Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5 and Romans 11:6 that our works are nothing and it is by His grace and our faith that we can be saved.
Too many organizations today believe "the church" is a specific organization, membership or building. Nope. Church is in our hearts, the hearts of all those that believe.
I would suggest looking at other commentaries and other viewpoints. You may discover that you might change your personal interpretation to one that is inline with all scripture.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289, as I said in the video, the Greek language allows the feminine pronoun "it" to point back to either "the church" or "the rock." I think there's nothing at all wrong with deeming "it" as "the church." Doctrinally speaking, neither hell nor death will destroy the church. I fully stand with you in that sentiment.
Contextually, however, the main object of the sentence is the rock. Jesus expressly made a word play based on the rock. The reason for which Jesus blessed Peter was his confession that Jesus is king. Jesus will build his church on this foundational idea that he, Jesus, is Christ (King). Contextually, it makes MOST sense that hades (death) will not prevail against the idea that he is king. George, just read the following verses in Matthew 16. Jesus immediately speaks of his impending death. Will that death prevail against this foundational rock that he is king? No.
I think "it" most likely refers to "the church." Exegetically, that makes most sense to me. And I pay no mind to what Catholics or protestants or mormons are saying about it. Context is the greatest key. A commentary won't be my standard.
@@damayfield1 I never said a commentary is the standard as there are probably over 100 different available from Matthew Henry, Gill's and Darby many who I find to have good profound ideas but not definitive. One of my favorites was Chuck Missler and the one whom I think is horrible is Steve Anderson. I really like Dr. Gene Kim who I think is one of the smartest men on Bible knowledge in our day.
I'm not convinced about your personal interpretation and probably need to do more research from several others before i can commit to a specific idea that I can be feel comfortable as the Holy Spirit is speaking to me saying there is still something a bit off. Until I can know for certain, I'll take other ideas with a grain of salt until I can know that Truth. I had the same problem with the Rapture concept and took me many years and lots of research as many had their own ideas of what the Truth was, but the Holy Spirit has finally revealed to me through a teacher what the real truth about that is now.
This is why the Bible can be fun but frustrating. Why didn't GOD just spell it out for us simple and easy, why did He make it so difficult that it would cause so much contention among believers. You would think someone that writes in the Bible "God is not the author of confusion" would heed that verse 100%.
Well, I appreciate your thoughts. Jesus promised, "You will find me when you seek me with all of your heart." I believe that promise. I'm not inerrant as were the authors of Scripture. I'm just trying to read it and understand it. As I said, I do believe context should always hold the key. After studying that passage for a number of hours and having committed myself to many hours of prayer concerning it, this is where I stand. It's just what makes most sense to me considering all of the surrounding phrases and ideas.
As for the rapture, I've done some sermons from Matthew 24 if you'd like to listen...
www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/11/21/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-1-Exposing-Matthew-24
www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/11/27/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-2
www.findingcanaan.org/single-post/2018/12/13/Reign-Return-and-Rapture-Part-3-Awake-and-Ready
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Iglesia ni Cristo
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:16-19
From what i understand, Jesus used peter's name as the rock and he will build his church in that name of peter, and Jesus give that church the key to heaven that "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
This actually what happened in the roman catholic, peter's name is the first name used in the roman catholic, and most of their works are binds in the earth that most heaven binds itself too,
*That the heaven binds itself too
Sorry my engliah is so bad,
Catholic catechism Jesus Christ was a rock ask to build a church but the rock was rejected by the builder and Jesus Christ become the corner stone where the apostle head by Peter build a church in the corner stone solidify and unify the Jews and Gentiles that why the Catholic compile the old testament and new testament called bible
Hubris. Jesus was totally clear, no nonsense interpretations necessary.
Very obvious that Jesus said Simon is the Rock and on the Rock Jesus wanted to build his church. Very clear that Jesus also wanted to give the keys to Simon!
Love these Word Study Daniel. They are awesome. THANK YOU!!!!
You're very welcome, my brother! Keep up the awesome work in Cali.
HALLELUJA!!
Your word interpretations are incorrect.
Well, I appreciate the friendly word! Perhaps some constructive feedback will go further.
Vaughn R yes you are right we believe in Jesus not Greek mythology so there is no Hades only hell or death from KJV Bible and I believe this is some devils work not Gods work
Plus in the bible said: “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
Revelation 1:18 KJV
www.bible.com/1/rev.1.18.kjv
God have the keys for death and hell and there is no hades that rule hell
Bennguyen so then, what do you say of Sheol?
When Jesus first called Simon to follow him he told him he will be called Peter. Jesus renamed Simon for this passage and for the purpose of carrying on His church after Jesus' death and resurrection. Peter, Petros, means rock.
I did a video regarding this passage. My interpretation is a little different. I invite you to hear my video. I think you will learn something as I did with your video. God bless.
The Rock is christ. The same rock that was in the wilderness with the children of christ the rock that gave water. The rock with Moses disobeyed the lord smot it
Not speak to it. So your Petra stone rock
Is Christ
Thank you 🙏 Glory to god.
Only the Catholic church has the authority to interpret her book.
That's such bull, God let's all of us thru the holy spirit understand his words, we have the ability to study and understand things, never has it been said the catholic church has authority over anything, we all need to understand and read God's word daily to stay strong in faith, you think God wants us to not be able to understand it and only rely on pastors?
@@ChristEnlightenment that is such bull. The book comes from the church. But you can be your own Pope. Bye
@@ChristEnlightenment never has it been said the Cathilic church has the authority over anything? Stop embarassing yourself but thanks for the laugh.
@@GirloftheValley-You’re indoctrinated the Catholic church is antichrist