What an NBA MVP would mean for the Top NBA Players!
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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0:17 Kawhi Leonard
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6:00 Giannis Antetokounmpo
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:17 Kawhi Leonard
1:08 Tyrese Haliburton
1:58 Anthony Davis
3:13 Domantas Sabonis
4:03 Jayson Tatum
5:01 Luka Dončić
6:00 Giannis Antetokounmpo
7:00 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
7:59 Nikola Jokić
8:46 Joel Embiid
10:10 Outro
How did you do it is it a bug you posted this 10 minutes ago but posed this comment 10 hours ago
@@reinhardfiedler7571I just realised that
He probably commented on his end before it checked for copyright and didn’t post to the public yet
6:23 Potential top 10 players without Curry
Curry instead of Sabonis like no way he wins it but he still a good player
If Luka wins would he be the first player to win both Euro League and NBA MVP? That would be a pretty interesting stat.
It’ll happen eventually anyway. It’s inevitable.
@@zsjh6859sure once when Jokic Embiid lebron curry Kawhi Giannis Tyreese and many more retire he’ll be a mvp caliber player but rn people who say he’s top 5 right now are just meat riders
@@Potatopogchamplike you with Trump?
@@vicenteoliveira865 nah I js chose him out of all of the president play pics don’t know why I chose the dictator out of them all tho 🤷♂️
@@Potatopogchamp LOL
The biggest knock on Embiid isn’t that he doesn’t have a ring, it’s that he wilts away in the playoffs.
I mean, those two things are kind of correlated.
Hes a ducker hasnt played against denver in denver since 2019
@@jumiofruby6276not really, if he lead them to the finals and still played well in the playoffs, like a Jimmy Butler or a Jason Tatum has, then Embiid would be much more respected than he is now. It’s the fact that he becomes a shell of himself in the playoffs that’s the biggest issue
@@AtlasAdvice254 You know what, that's absolutely fair.
@@jumiofruby6276 🤝
You're absolutely spot on about the lack of media coverage surrounding SGA.
The game against Spurs was a prime example. Thunder kicked Spurs' ass, mostly due to Shai dropping 32 and dishing out 10 assists in just three quarters. But everyone spent all their time talking about Wemby flexing on Chet and nobody even acknowledged the fact that Shai has now dropped 30+ points on 32 seperate occasions (33 after today) THIS SEASON.
Damn I’m a thunder fan and didn’t even know about that stat. Thanks for sharing 👍
Damn. Shai is killing it out there, and his team is winning, so it's not empty stats. I think people are just worried about what he will do in the playoffs, since he's never been in a playoffs run before, and we've seen time and time again how players put up great stats in the regular season then stink it up in the playoffs. And even though it's supposed to be regular season mvp, that playoff success does impact a player's chance at mvp. Look at embiid or giannis or jokic. When giannis won back to back mvps and then lost early in the playoffs, people didn't vote him at all the next year, which he then proceeded to win the championship, which put him back in those condos the next season.
The problem is simple. He's probably the most consistent player in the league, but that applies to his highs as well as his lows. He rarely has bad games, but he also rarely has very good games (by the standards he's set, anyway). He's averaged 31 PPG in back to back seasons and his career high is only 44. That's incredibly strange.
What's that gonna mean come playoff time when he's not getting to the line as much? Or if they're in a dog fight where he has to raise his game to push them over the hump? Can he even do that? Because he has NEVER shown it.
@@morganlee2806 He's a KD type of scorer. His PPG is not just an average, it's EXACTLY what he scores every night. His career high is always going to look low for how good of a player he is.
As for the free-throw thing, it's blown way out of proportions because of twitter trolls. He takes basically the same amount as other "star" calibre players. He plays elite defence, he shoots league-high percentages from mid-range, and he's the only guard in the league that scores as efficient as big men in the paint (he's top 10 in paint FG%, I believe). He also steps up against big teams, even tho it's in regular season. I don't have any doubts about him in the play-offs.
@@kaunghlyan6726 KD has several 50+ games, including 50 pieces in the playoffs. Shai has the same career high as Tyrese Haliburton, a pass first point guard.
Jokic if he wins mvp: cool can I go home now?
Jokic shouldve won last year. Regular and Finals MVP. He couldve cemented top 6 centers of all time by now
Cry
@@user-dr2ww2jg8oyes you should cry about embiid
Stats-wise Embiid was better on almost every stat but I agree
No, he shouldn't have. Stop hating. Jokic and Giannis didn't do anything different in the regular season but embiid put his team into contention, played defence, and got the scoring title
@@user-dr2ww2jg8owhy do so many people put this dry, stupid response to someone just stating their opinions?
7:04 I don't think the Clippers would really regret anything even if SGA wins MVP eventually. 10/10 times you make that trade for Kawhi + PG if you're the Clippers front office.
Agreed. As Clippers fan I loved SGA and always thought he'd be great NBA player (not like this probably but still really good). But there's no guarantee he'd be that if we kept him. 10/10 times you'd rather trade him for PG and Kawhi combo than rely on future growth of player that wasn't on the level of guys like Luka Doncic etc.
I'm simply happy that things worked out great for him and Clippers also find a way to put together their best version of themselves.
Luka deserves it easily. He not only sets NBA records weekly but he actually facilitates the entire game he is double even triple teamed and still has the magic. He does complain a lot but I suspect that’s frustration. Kyrie has missed 14 games so Luka has been carrying this young team. Every coach does not want to face Luka in the playoffs. They are constantly trying to figure out how to cover him. He figures a team out and then you have to play him for up to 7 straight games. When other players on this list have won it already and a player Luka is playing at the level you give it to him. Embid won’t make it he will miss too many games. JOKIC doesn’t have a high enough pt per game avg. and Shay is way too low in rebounds and Assist
The idea of Reggie Miller having an asterix against him because he got to the finals and lost is ridiculous. Like he got to the finals. Thats way better than not getting there at all. It shouldn't be seen as a check against him that he helped take the framchise to their ONLY finals appearance so far.
I agree, people always see finals lost as a negative but it's still going all the way to the finals. Much better than all other teams in the conference
As long as Shaq is still an active commentator, there's no way he'd let anyone consider naming a current player as the best center of all time. Regardless of whether they're deserving of it or not, Shaq simply will not allow it.
Great video!
Luka should be one!
Why does he underrate bill russell so much
pleeeease don't let Embid win MVP, we need Jokic to win as revenge from last years MVP
Facts Embiid is just gonna choke in the playoffs as usual and gonna have to get carried by Maxey again.
I agree that jokic should have won last year but embid is obviously far and away the best player in the league this year (imo of course). I personally dont like that people try to make up for past mistakes when it comes to these awards as it doesn’t reflect the current greatness of a player.
I agree, however if Jokic couldn’t win 3 because of lack of Finals appearance( or if you think Perkins had an effect). Then Embiid shouldn’t get 2 because of lack of Conf. Final appearance(only MVP without one). People better not change their tune now.
Embiid has 6 games left in the 65 NBA major award quota so there's a possibility he'll not win.
wow u guys prising intensely that embiid got an injury . shme on you guys
Hey @Rebound Rewind I think a great idea for a video you can make is the greatest player to come out of every competing European country!
Where does this Kawhi better than KD Narrative come from?
Y’all just discount all of KD’s Accolades, stats, and Longevity just because of one MVP. This also goes to people putting Giannis and Jokic over KD just because of a 5 year prime. The ring Merchant Casuals need to be stopped.
Be real it’s not close, KD got 28,000 career points, way more accolades (All NBA, Allstar, scoring titles,) vs Kawhi who only has 13,000 career points.
It’s like comparing Bill Walton to Karl Malone. Availability and Longevity does Matter when ranking All time players.
That because Prime+Peak > Longevity.
Karl Malone and John Stockton gave one of the best longevity career. But no championship to show.
Kawhi got his first ring abd FMVP in his 3rd year before his 1st DPOY. KD join GSW after losing to them. It will always count against.
All the top 20 never did what KD did. Even Lebron never joins the team swept him the finals or conferebce.
KD is the first player in NBA history to join the team that beat him. Its the Ultimate symbol of SUBMISSION.
Sorry for the ignorance but who's that San Francisco Warriors center with jersey number 00?
Robert parish I think (idk I looked it up)
@@RBoy12Gamer yeah, he was drafted by the Warriors, I never knew he was playing first for them with that number
Maybe it’s just me…but I’d have to separate all-time best OKC Thunder players and all-time best Sonics players. I know the team moved, but it should be like the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens. New records should start from when the franchise moved to OKC.
Crazy how all of the top 5 are international
I mean true with international but if you count really international players (Outside North American continent) will count 4 because Canada is like a neighbour country to USA
@@alexvieru398 international means different nations
@@SinkholeCR not saying your wrong but just stating that Canada is close to US which still puts them as international but when you start looking at others that are outside North American continent (Greece, Slovenia, Serbia, Cameroon). Just in my eyes Canada qualifies barely as calling them ''international''. Didn't mean to disagree just to let you know what i meant
Luka or Embiid for MVP
Clearly Embiid
Clearly Luka. Two games in the past month alone that rank in the top-20 all time in gamescore. Just in his last game alone he became the only player to have multiple games of at least 45 Points and 15 Assists, the other game was on Christmas day. I just hope Embiid doesn't miss too many games to be eligible.
Embiid needs to play the minimum number of games first.
Say what you want about KD if he didn’t have them warriors rings he probably would have 7 scoring tittles and maybe another mvp dude hates carrying though if you watch him enough you can see how frustrated he gets when his team isn’t up to his standard he’s a weird case even for example this year he got mad and the media called him out he went out there and got a triple double tying his career high in assists he has a crazy gear he just doesn’t turn on often he’s also on record telling teammates to take their shots not to worry about him he wants them getting in the flow because for him it doesn’t matter he’s a walking bucket whenever he wants doesn’t need to warm up into it
KD is a walking contrarian he wants to be in the convo but doesnt want carry the team. FoH.
Nice.
Damn 3 back to back big men mvp's. I wish 2 of them join forces.
Curry is already a top 10 player. Its crazy that you got him so low in your grafic
Joker also won MVP as a 6-seed in 2022
In no world is AD above Kevin McHale RN
No way he has One chip is it
If Jokić won another ring, the only centers in front of him would be Kareem, Shaq, & Russell.
I really enjoy your content and you appear to be very knowledgeable on the sport and history of the league. But on no list is Kawhi above KD and never will even with a regular season MVP.
Think you're either underestimating the power of narrative or looking only at talent. The resumes (with an MVP) are similar. One tilted more to offense the other defense. I don't really think it's fair the Kawaii gets so much weight on a ring that has its own asterisk on it but I don't make the narrative.
@@DJ-uu3pzKD clears Kawhi. Facts over Narratives. 💯
@@DJ-uu3pz yeah I’m purely looking only at talent imo KD is the overall better player and will finish higher on the all time list when it’s all said and done. Leonard’s availability was his biggest “downfall” in my opinion but he’s been playing well lately so maybe he can start to turn that narrative around. But as far as that championship run, I don’t believe it has an asterisk I mean injuries are apart of the game after all. There’s been many players enjoyed through history that late in the season it’s just the nature of it.
@@dariusbrooks21 Maybe asterisk is a bit strong of a term. But not all championships will be weighted equally. Like, if that was a healthy dynastic warriors with KD, I think most would actually have Kawhi ahead considering he'd beat KD head to head in there prime at the biggest stage. Fact is he didn't and that ring is a little less valuable because of it. Still a great ring.
I mostly agree though. Outside of certain journalists there wasn't really a time where Kawhi legit had claim to the best in the world (except Maybe 2019 off-season). Hence the lack of mvp. If he were to win one - especially now with the competition being what it is - he'd have elevated his play to the point that his case against KD would be arguable. Hence why I still say thinking he's an mvp away from Durant isn't that far of a stretch
Correction, there is 2 6th seed MVPs, Jokic and Russ
SHAI IS THE MVP. What is jokic doing that he isnt? Shai is leading the second youngest team to a ONE SEED. He plays both sides of the floor, plays off ball, and he actually gets his teammates involved while making them better. Luka yes he is good but he is too ball dominant. Luka is fighting for a PLAYIN SPOT. He doesnt play defense, relegates his teammates into catch and shoot options or a lob. A person with the ball that much obviously is gonna put up numbers. VOTERS USE YOUR BRAIN ITS SHAI.
You're right video, I DO think if the media gives Kawhi an MVP trophy he will magically be a better player than KD.
Tbh Kawhi would become top 15 for me
He's top 25 for me right now (22 to be precise), a regular season MVP would easily bump him up to top 20.
I think that any chance he had of winning an MVP has passed, but wouldn’t count out a third ring. If he won a third ring and third finals MVP, he would move to 12th on my list. He would be ahead of guys like Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Kevin Durant and Oscar Robertson. 👍
You probably got Bill Walton and Grant Hill up there too. 🩼 ♿️ ♿️ 😂😂😂
Embiid deserves MVP the way he's playing, but after stealing it from Jokic by throwing a hissy fit last season, I'd rather give it to Shai
Pat actually went to multiple conference finals and 2 finals. Embiid and Robinson(yea) are worse all time than Pat.
You thinkin an mvp would make kwahi better than kd is bs..stop it
Exactly.
Kawhi already is better than Durant
Exactly. These Casuals only rank players by Ring counting and Narratives. KD’s resume Clears Kawhi, But they love to target KD every time because of his GSW run. They forget he’s been a Superstar since 2010 and still top 10 in his 17th Year.
@@mikeg8234 Kawhi has not 2 Dynasty Breaking Rings. Stop it😂
@@BLACKSTA361 Let’s be real. Kawhi got one role player ring, and another ring cus KD was injured in Finals. The Rest of his career was Load management and choking.
KD can't win without curry. Without steph no ring and kawhi win with raptors without another all star like dirk. Yes There is injuries but it s part of the game. The warriors didn't need kd to win, thats a fact. I keep KD ahead of Kawhi but it s near between the two. If KD win a ring without curry ok he is top 15. For me at this moment he is top 20 and kawhi top 25.
I can't put KD ahead Giannis Jokic Dirk or other MVP with win championship without another all star, the leaders of their team. kd fail to do this and this is the only thing he need on his resume
IMO Bill Russell is ahead of Hakeem and Jokic shouldn’t be ahead of either of them.
You earlier said that Steph would be top 10 if he wins a ring after he won he still isn't in your top 10!?
How is the undisputed GOAT Naz Reid not here
because people these days only care about stats, skills and overall basketball performance
@@aleksandstrom you funny 😂
Westbrook changed the game in the same way as Jordan, LeBron, or Curry. Like it or hate it, he ruined the triple double. If AI played after Westbrook’s 2017 campaign, he’d be putting up Luka’s numbers because Westbrook made it okay to be a hero.
I'd vote for Luka or Joker
I love Jayson Tatum. :)
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Joel won't win, unfotunately, because of that stupid minimum games rule.
Wilt over Bill? Lmao
Embiid not gonna be eligible and that makes me glad
AD is a Center
Kobe is not a top 10 player all time.
Exactly. Finally someone gets it and says the truth.
He's easily Top 5
no.@@BLACKSTA361
@@BLACKSTA361y’all get on my nerves bro
Most have him top 5, he's borderline top 10 for me. There were a lot of great things about Kobe, but I'm taxing him for chucking up so many bad shots.
Kawhi Leonard is already better than Kevin Durant.
Casual. KD been Superstar since 2010, before Kawhi was drafted and was role player for Spurs for 4 years and then load managed his whole career.
@@mikeg8234people jus hate kd so they’ll always put less skilled n accomplished players over him
Bro wtf. Jolic is already top 10 center.
Donovan Mitchell needs more respect
We all know kawhi will not get the mvp but he deserve it. He is playing incredible this season
How is haliburton kawhi sabonis and Anthony Davis above Durant whose averaging 29 on 52% from the floor and 45% from 3 🤡
Scoring isn't everything my guy. Going by your logic, Luka is the MVP
The fact that curry isn’t top 10 is crazy
bro luka is not 5 show some respect on him and no ant is crazy
Why people keep talking bout kd mf sorry look what happened in okc and the nets.
SGA MVP
Is Giannis better all time then Dirk N KG to yall already???
Not me personally.
timmy d aint a power forawrd lil bro
I really don't care much if Embiid wins another MVP and I don't think he will, we have seen he can perform well and historically in the regular season. He needs to prove his play-off performances never making it out of the 2nd round despite good teammates and always pushing the fault to the teammates ain't it.
Jokic MVP would just be another collection to his resume but would definetly push him in the top 15 as the 6th greatest Center. And with a very likely Finals appearance he knocks on the door for top 5 Centers. I think it will also solidify him as a top 5 offensive player ever.
SGA would prove he is up there among the best in the league, especially among the fans where I still see a lot of doubters.
Giannis, who has gotten a lot of doubters over the last 2 seasons calling his ring and MVPs undeserved, would prove that he is still him and has that potential everyone said he had after his first ring. For his all time consideration I think it just strength his current position rather than giving him that push to knock on the door to top 10.
I think if Luka wins MVP this year he ranks all-time above Embiid, despite being drafted 4 years after Embiid he only played half a season of games less, clears him in production and would have a similar if not better award resume.
JT would prove his potentially and with a likely ring+FMVP prove to be the best player in the world. And start a dominating era for the Celtics.
Sabonis would prove he is not just a knock-off Jokic and that he's the best player on the Kings, he would also show his fathers legacy.
AD would silence the critiques for the constant fragility taunts. And he would prove that he is the best player in LA and finally publicly step out of the Shadow of Lebron, I don't think that would in anyway effect LeBrons legacy.
Tyrese would show that he is the best pg in the east rn, and that you can lead a team purely with offense. It should also be a big boost for his career and mentality.
Kawhi would prove that he is not finished and doesn't need load managment. It would also massively boost his all-time ranking, having achieved everything there is to achieve.
Despite Embiid having historic numbers I think Jokic should win, given the amount of games Embiid misses, it is questionable if he will play enough games (65). I think if the Mavs start winning games Luka will win, but right now JT might have the best shots at winning looking at voter fatigue and the current Celtics record.
Lebron had better mvp opponents than Jordan
Da hail? Jordan played in the golden era of basketball and what does this have to do with this video? I hate these LeBrick fanboys.
When your bag of skills is that small any competition seems big competition 😂
How sabonis is in and steph no
Go check 2014 WCF vs OKC, Kawhi avg 11.8 pts, was inefficient and was the 6th leading scorer on his team. KD destroyed him but Spurs carried him to that Role player ring. Then got lucky in 2019 when KD was injured and then Klay game 6.
No way 1 MVP puts “Mr Load Management” over KD all time. KD owns Kawhi; You casuals need to stop. 😂😂😂
It’s crazy Jokic doesn’t give a damn about winning another MVP yet ironically because of the game restriction he’s gonna be the one that wins it 😂
Kuminga really needs to be in the GOAT conversation.
Sga ain’t winning no MVP
That’s wasted money anyone who put it on him
He be the first MVP to win a MVP before winning a single playoff series
😂🤣
Joker all the way
6:19 perfectly aligned top 10 list from right to left
No
😂😂😂 kobe is 9th at best. Russell and magic both easily go above him especially if you think wilt at 4 is the perfect place.
Nah. Basically Jordan, bron, kareem, magic, bird, kobe, Duncan, curry, shaq, Russell, with Wilt, hakeem, KD on the outside looking in.
Jordan, lebron, kareem are top 3 in that order. Wilt goes to the bottom of the list because of empty stats with only 2 rings, Russell shouldn't get too much credit for the 11 rings because he had a superteam the whole time but even then I'd put him ahead of Wilt because of that success. I'd put shaq ahead of hakeem for sure, and hakeem goes below wilt and russell. Magic>bird, kobe>Duncan, and curry goes after Duncan. Then between Kobe and bird, I'd say Bird had more accolades, but I could also see kobe>bird.
Bird is too high
@@MrE_ kobe over Duncan, yall niggas tripping
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Luka is better than Joel embid and sga honestly
I think Luka is better than joking but other people can decide on that that’s just my opinion
Hot take: Embiid deserved MVP last year and this year
Last year was really close, both Joel and Nikola deserved that award. Yet I'm happy it was Joel, since Nikola already won the previous two.
Shoulda been Jokic but you can't be mad at Embiid
Also no I tried to be nice but that is just a bad take. Everyone should already know who really deserved the MVP just because of the playoffs last year.
@@HankAder No, he shouldn't have. Stop hating. Jokic and Giannis didn't do anything different in the regular season but embiid put his team into contention, played defence, and got the scoring title
not a very hot take. he's a great regular season player.
mvp means most valuable player on the team. not highest scoring. players that contribute to wins every night deserve mvp, not players because of their popularity. embiid didnt deserve it last year at all. teams that dont make the finals didnt have an mvp caliber player
Season overall to this date:
Jokic 1210/553/411,
Embiid 1187/377/191.
If thats correct then it pretty much solidifies Jokic as my pick.
@@bsteele2000 That is correct.
Jokic 1210/553/411 - (47 Games)
Luka 1388/344/382 - (40 Games)
Embiid 1187/377/191 - (33 Games)
SGA 1438/258/294 - (46 Games)
Tatum 1212/380/201 - (45 Games)
Giannis 1394/525/278 - (45 Games)
Jokic and Luka the best imo. Luka has a good argument.
How is curry not on here
Not in top 10
Joker on his way to top 3 Center of all time! What a player!
Embiid hopefully f* his case by not playing yesterday against Denver at Mile High
Embiid ain’t winning nothing
It would be cool to see Embiid win a ring after winning a second MVP, just for the storytelling aspect of it. That would mean Giannis, Jokic and Embiid all won two MVPs and then a ring. Not holding my breath though…
I hope he never does. He’s not championship caliber
@@trentyzsays a 🤡
Jokic deserves mvp more than any other. He is the best player in the league right now.
Best player, not the most valuable to a certain franchise. That's Luka. They are pretty much the Charlotte hornets (but worse) without him.
Jokic and Luka are pretty even to me, but yeah, you can't look past Luka, he has 2 games in just the last 30 days that rank in the top-20 all time in gamescore, and one of them is the 2nd highest ranked game ever.
Luka is the only player in NBA history to have two games that rank in the top-10 all time in gamescore, and also the only player to have three games ranked in the top-20, and he's only 24 years old.
@@imdbtruth yes, yet no one in the media gives him credit
I Personally think Joel Embiid should be The NBA MVP
embiid "scoring"
that bullshit full of FT
Embiid has no business in the top 10 centre discussions even with a second MVP until he makes it passed the second round.
Yes, D12 and Ewing are in the discussion with 0 rings, but they both had multiple deep playoff runs, even leading their teams to the finals. Embiid has never even beaten a top seed in the playoffs.
So yeah, nothing Embiid does in the regular season will matter until he has a deep playoff run. Fortunately he has a good coach this year, so this is a really good opportunity.
He's always playing injured
Shut up
@@BLACKSTA361because he blow hiss ass of scoring career high points against lottery teams
@@KenanUqe That's not the case
@@BLACKSTA361 ofc it is, if you don't control yourself regular season and try to achieve personal accolades and forget injuries and play your ass off you'll be injured rapid rate playoffs, plus phantom fouls don't occur so much in playoffs, so embiid chokes. so his injuries not gonna bail his chokimg out.
Embiid or Shai deserve MVP
You might as well stop talking about an MVP for Embiid now...after he misses this game tonight, he can only miss 5 more games until the end of the season to hit that 65 games. Not gonna happen.
Embid just a stat padder he came into this season wanting to get 30 10 statline for one purpose mvp while he dodges the games that are hard as soon as he hits 30 and 10 he goes and sits down
Jesus Christ loves you
Joel is out I'd say, awesome season though. Other than Joel is gotta be jokers right??
Haha your take on Doncic winning a chip and not even being close to Dirk is LAUGHABLE! He’s better already! PERIOD!
Jokic wins MVP, leading in numerous advanced metrics as the even-keeled Nuggets cruise to a top 2 seed and Embiid falls short of the 65 game threshold. Balance is restored in the minds of media and fans for last year’s controversial race. Slightly dusky-horse pick - Giannis wins his third MVP on career-best efficiency as the Bucks’ defense returns to respectability under Doc and the Bucks finish within two games of the 1 seed. SGA and Luka finish 3 and 4. Tatum rounds out the top 5 as the best player on the best team.
Giannis and Embiid are not European.
I think Joel need a finals ring to get out of the top 10 chokers of all time list