I was interviewed for a job that was going to give me 5% more salary.... and 10% more mandatory hours. I laughed and said "no thanks". They were totally baffled.
I am in the US. Contract changed to a new company. They expected everyone to work 44 hours a week, while paying for 40 hours. Told them flat out: "my name is not Sam Walton. I do not do discounts. And if I work 44 hours, I expect to be paid for 48. And yes, I know this sounds just as rediculous as what you expect."
Exactly! I can’t figure out why this doesn’t seem to have been considered. Sure, ask existing staff if anyone is willing and able to commit. If not - no worries - recruit specifically for that role. Then again, given that this whole thing wasn’t even approved by the higher-ups to begin with, it really does seem like a personal mission to drive this poor person out… either way, it’s shit and very far from being good enough.
He hadn't been given budget approval for the new night class, so he couldn't hire a part-timer. He just expected Emily to work those extra hours for free.
Standard planned work day of 13 hours is pretty illegal. Especially in healthcare is ends up with making failures by employees that can be end with death patients.
My wife worked in the non-profit world for years. There were times she was working 80 hour weeks. The problem with non-profits is that they really believe that what drives you should be that "youre making a difference" and not that you're getting paid. It's all meant to just be feel good. They also tend to not care about employees.
So well said. Nonprofit childcare in Canada is brutal because of this mindset and the guilt ladden, your here for the kids right? Never mind my kid at home.
Companies that have no respect for your time don't deserve any of your time. Hope she's alright, will be interested to see how the legal proceedings play out!
Well of course they do. It's clear in the disrespect employees and potential employees/candidates are treated. Giving "sample" designs to "prove your prowess", one way interviews because they don't have enough time (because they "can't" screen well enough), and don't get me started on the rampant compensation issues...
In fairness with many things in life, you only ever hear about bad examples. There are plenty of excellent employers and managers who support their employees and are functional human beings with traits like empathy and respect.
I disagree. Slaves had to be taken care of the same as any domestic animal. If they were sick, they couldn't work, and were expensive to replace. The attitude of employers today is more like the attitude towards black workers under Jim Crow: "One dies, get another." No guarantee of food, water, shelter, clothing, or medical care.
@@cobbler9113 Those "fair bosses" do not progress in the company and are often demoted due to being "inefficient" AKA make less profit than other bosses.
@@listeyand yet nothing can lead you to that conclusion. Yes, they may have been racist or didn't approve of single mothers or working mothers, or a ton of other things. You cannot just state it has nothing to do with prejudice. The real answer is we don't know either way, but this does smack of racism. There are a ton of micro aggressions in this story that are very indicative of racism, even if you cannot see them.
Unfortunately I could never find another position with the PTO and health insurance I relied on. Destroyed my mental health in the end, but I made it to early retirement at 55 with health care in retirement. Sort of a Pyrrhic victory.
It's the worst when jobs try to completely upend what's been agreed. It's outrageous to expect an employee to work 9 to 1 AND 6 to 10. Sadly this BS is so common.
A boss once accused me of being after their job. I replied "Of course I'm after your job! I make you look like a rock star, you get promoted, I get your job." For some bizarre and unfathomable reason, they didn't like that answer.
I love what this lady is preaching about leadership. I’m actually hoping to someday be a management/leadership consultant, because I do see that one of the key issues in corporate America is supervisors/leaders/execs not knowing how to lead effectively. I like to say that there are those of us who were born leaders, but leadership is something anyone can learn and grow in, and should. It’s such a valuable skill and mindset even if you’re not and don’t plan to be in leadership roles.
Think this was my favorite episode so far, she sounds so genuine and empowering, that was so inspirational to hear. It especially hit me personally because my whole life I've always tried to downplay my intelligence or avoid confrontations even when I'm right, just so I don't get seen as weird, different, a bother or a nuisance or confrontational and it stems from a deep issue of always being a bit different from others as a kid, also moving around a lot and being surrounded by people of different races and ideologies, which to be fair has given me a unique perspective on a lot of things but on the other hand has resulted in me not really belonging to any place or group and I'm just kind of floating to wherever I can fit even if its temporary. So when I hear stories like these it really motivates me to speak up more and say my mind and I'm actually finding out now that a lot more people are good willed and will properly consider my takes and perspectives. It never hurts to hear more words of assurance and guidance and your channel has just been a sea of wisdom and knowledge and I'm so glad to be here. Can't wait for you to grow it into an ocean, all the best of luck to you, everyone in these podcasts and everyone there fighting the good fight. I feel like i should write kind regards after all that cuz it almost seems like a letter. Thanks anyway though, sorry for the mini book I've written 😅.
Thank you for sharing your personal story. I can see you as a motivational speaker. Not an easy field to break into, but once you do, it can be quite lucrative. However this hinges on your lifestyle. Spouse and children may not care for you being away, traveling to speak to different groups. You know your worth and stick to your guns and you will have opportunities presented to you. Always ho with your gut, it will never lead you astray.
Sounds like a boss trying to get his name noticed by the higher ups. Subsequently, finding the jig is up, he’s taken that out on you.. Had it in the Royal Navy, from the self appointed “go getters” . Amazing how quick they turn personal
My experience: employers want to work you 16 hours, and pay you for 8. They want to pay you just enough so that you can get to work tomorrow, and not much more.
BTDT. When I had one job, after I put gas in the car and paid all my other bills, I couldn't afford enough food to maintain my weight while doing heavy physical labor 60 hours a week. I was losing weight I didn't have to lose. That's generally referred to as starvation.
He's the one who isn't a team player. He's projecting. He didn't listen to the higher ups NOT approving his proposal, AND he wants to treat one of his employees THIS badly.
Ben you want to look at all the extra hours Teachers have to work. Teachers are paid from 8 till 4. Everything else is working for free. Over a 12 month period in the last school year my partner worked an extra 512 hours....unpaid.
All I will say is teachers are paid salary, with that comes an expectation to work beyond the standard 8-4, with that being said they’re definitely under paid and of course there’s exceptions where specific schools may take advantage more than others
Even if they are paying for childcare, it’s a very inhumane solution. Years ago I fell into the argument with people at work suggesting I could just pay for a childminder outside school hours, to accommodate their demands, I never succumbed (I never told them the real reason was because I was abused while under the care of a childminder when I was little). To be a parent is to be in a secure relationship with another human while they at their most vulnerable stage of life, they can’t make choices for their own best interests, the adults around them have that job. One job. Make decisions for the child’s best interests. Just like a manager’s job is to make decisions for the company’s best interests (and now we are talking about adults looking after the interests and profits of other fully functioning competent adults). What is the point of having children and then paying someone else to have the parent relationship with them? This is not a dig at Emily, for suggesting it as a solution. I think many mother’s are guilt tripped into this way of thinking by employers and sometimes even peer pressure from other colleagues.
Bullying people away is definitely a thing that happens. Though I don’t know if she’s from the USA, because they can fire you for any reason there in most states, so I wouldn’t see why they would even bother bullying someone away Bullying still happens in the US though, but I’d imagine that’s more a desire to feel power over others rather than exposing of someone
@@cluelessmango768 She's from the USA. The usual trick is to fire an employee or force them to quit, because in the US if you are fired for cause or resign you aren't eligible for the pittance Unemployment Insurance pays. If employers lay off employees, it raises their rates for Unemployment Insurance, which cuts into their bottom line. Very common in the US for an employee with years of top performance to suddenly be called into the office and fired for "poor performance." In an at-will employment state, the employee has almost no recourse.
In 2009 during the dark days of the recession, I got a job as a slot attendant at a new casino in Las Vegas. We were all so desperate for work and grateful for the job. But our management had us doing almost an hour a day of work off the clock. They had us go into the employee cage, check out our money for our pouch (I think we carried something like 5 or 10 thousand dollars in cash, I can’t remember). We had to hand count the cash under the surveillance camera, then run it through a digital machine. Then we had to go to the slot office and check out our keys and radio. Then we had to go all the way to the center of the slot floor which is a really long walk - I’d guess close to half a mile. Only then were we able to clock in. Then, at the end of our shift, we had to clock out on the floor, walk all the way down to the slot office to check in our equipment, then to the cage to count our money, wrap it, seal it and drop it in the slot. The worst part was sometimes, you’d get stopped by a guest on your way to or from the time clock and not allowed to ignore them so then you end up doing even more work off the clock. Another bad thing was sometimes after clocking out, your money pouch would be short and you had to do all the troubleshooting/investigating of where the missing money was off the clock as well. This went on for over a year and one day they fired the wrong woman and she sued not only for wrongful termination but also did a class-action suit that ensured we now clocked in at the slot office before getting our gear and walking to the floor, and didn’t clock out until leaving the slot floor and turning in all the money and gear. The best part is, the casino had to pay us all back pay, even if we weren’t working there anymore! The had to pay us for all those free hours. The lawsuit was around 2013 so I don’t remember what the payout was, except that it was well over $1000. It may have even been closer to $2000. It was a nice lil chunk of change.
Gee, don't worry about taking care of your child because YOU have 'committed' to working for us and we will make a schedule that will only work for us. Also being 'confrontational' and 'aggressive' usually is only thrown out when it's a women who is standing up for herself.
10:15 It seems pretty common for "people" to not like a strong woman with some power behind her. If someone isn't going to like it, my observation is that it is usually a man, but it can sometimes be women as well. I think it's a social issue that's clung on from bygone eras. My partner is a very strong woman, and if she is pressed on something that matters, YOU WILL KNOW. I love it and relate to where that passion comes from, not everyone does.
I hope everything works out for Emily in the end. What an horrific experience. And even though toxic boss left, she still ended up fired? There are multiple issues going on there. Some NPs will expect people to do more 'for the good of it' (basic exploitation in most cases) and there is the woman thing, where women are just expected to do loads of extra work (at home or at work) for nothing, as that is what society deems women's roles are, unpaid caretakers of the world. Yeah nah. Example, I was the only woman on the factory floor. I got called into the office to go make coffee for a client (heaven forbid the dude who called me could make the coffee). I actually make lousy coffee. If you refuse, you, "the woman" are "not a team player" or aggressive, or uncooperative, or (insert worse insult). The job I was doing was pretty much a hard labour job previously done by men. Coffee making skills were not included on my resume. At the end of the day, leaving (or even getting fired from) an exploitative company, is generally the best thing for your mental health. In the longer term.
I hope we learn more about the outcome. I agree with her account of the situation. She agreed to work 9-1pm. Then, she's told to work additionally a 6-10 pm courses? No to the no.
From what I see with a lot of the US stuff, this is normal, the bosses don't give a s..t and the US employment laws are not good, you can be fired for no reason and there is not the back up that we have in the UK.
Honestly an awful system. Nothing to fall back on if you’re between jobs and no protection against getting fired, meaning there’s no true guarantee you won’t be out of a job next morning
In our country, this " Boss" would be fired. Exploitation of Laborors has legal consequences in my country they can even close down the whole facility.
That's a manager trying to prove himself, or make a name, has a pet project. and after her objections where an ego issue, he did not like being told no.
One of the greatest lessons I learned in life is the difference between a leader and a manager. We see eye to eye on that and I would enjoy working with her. They lost a good one when they let her go.
I have found in my career that there are two kinds of leaders: one would get paid for it and the other who doesn't and is just a worker bee! Good leaders usually aren't in management because that's reserved for "yes" people.
Her boss was trying to make himself look good by servicing more clients. Since he didn’t have Mgt. approval, he couldn’t hire extra personnel for his plan, so he thought he’d bully her into working nights as well as days. She let the cat out of the bag with Mgt. They were probably pissed he was extending programs without their approval. I notice he recently resigned. This is not a surprise
So many women (particularly women of colour) are gaslighted by being called 'difficult', 'confrontational', 'not a team player' etc. These terms would rarely, if ever, be applied to a white male employee. I've been subject to this, as a woman, without the additional layers of racism. I'm so sad to hear that Emily has been fired, and wish her the best of luck in her future. I truly hope that she is able to sue the pants off this organisation. The (ex) manager sounds totally toxic, and absolutely threatened by Emily's talent and knowledge
I mean I agree, but I don’t think we need to downplay how much it affects men as well. Like, everyone is getting hit with such treatment, and it definitely is worse for women and people of color. It’s just not productive to point to such a large and varied group like ‘white men’ and say “you’re hardly affected”, it just makes the men who did get affected feel even worse and only helps to polarize and push people towards extreme ideas At least that’s my take on it
I was told all this at a job when they were literally trying to get me to do several things that are unethical in my industry (commercial property management), when I put my foot down and would not redo work because someone sat on it for 3 months and the form had since changed, among other things. They ended up putting me on a PIP….one reason being $40 of water was ordered for the office that I supposedly approved. I did not, another employee ordered the water and I wasn’t in charge of approving expenses even tho I was a sr. Manager, the SVP did. But who cares, it’s WATER! I ended up resigning.it took me a long time to get over this and treatment.
Not sure it's just an American thing cuz I've only otherwise worked with UK and Aussie/Kiwi establishments but seems like Americans are significantly more often triggered by greater performance by the 'wrong' people, like they're not in the club, too nerdy, didn't go to the right school, etc. They fraternise like it's a sport, make personnel decisions based on social standing, and make no secret of their disdain for your presence if you're outperforming their favorites.
I'm American. I haven't experienced the social standing perks thing, but my current employer? It's all about your last name. I'm not from this place where I currently live. I don't have a local last name. I also have never been able to advance my position or even move laterally for 13 years. 90% of my internal applications didn't even result in an interview. Unfortunately, I can't just quit. I'm in a very rural area with extremely limited employment options. I am actively applying for fully remote jobs since I also don't get paid enough to have any savings to be able to afford to move.
In the US, they require a Bachelor's Degree (4 years Uni) for entry level jobs. And not one related to the position, but any degree. This is blatant socioeconomic discrimination. To be fair, in the last century the USA has gone from teaching Latin, Greek, Logic and Rhetoric in High School, to teaching remedial Math and English in College.
Anyone in a leadership position who says, "because i say so and that's final!" Has just lost the game. Long gone are the days when that's effective. You have to deal with perceptions. If your workers perceive themselves as valued people who deserve better, then that IS who you are dealing with.
Many of your stories are about unreasonable management. I am fairly positive if this person said fine I will do it, but I need you available during those same hours this manager would find any excuse to not do it. Also if the next level manager asked the same of the unreasonable manager, the excuses and resistance would be more intense than the valid reasons this person shared. Most are probably a do as I say not as I do type of manager, and they would not want to do what they say. Leaders lead by example and care about and care for their people. If their people are successful they will be successful. Treat your people well and with appreciation and they will bend over backward for you and follow you into any fight especially if you reward them accordingly. Treat your people poorly and you will fail.
I work in technical trades in IT, communications and hardware development (engineer). Inget job offers from India 10-15 time A Day... they are always the same, they offer me a job in exchange for zero pay, zero benefits, asking me to develop and design their products all for the Prestige of listing them on my resume.
@@tricitymorte1 of course not. If theynstart atn0 they stay at 0, becayuse they don't know, shit about their own ideas. If i worked for free for everyone who thinks they have a 'million dollar idea" i'd be broke and over worked.
US corporations are whining that they can't find workers. We have weak labor laws, weak unions, and i am glad that workers are standing up. I hope unions and labor laws will be stronger. I am in an "at will" state, where mhealth care workers are forced to work mandatory overtime AND 30% of my field are working full time hours "PRN" without benefits. I alse know that female-dominated professions are paid and benefitted worse too.
He wanted to expand the program and then ask for extra funding out of the larger organization… it’s a lot easier to get funding for something you can show is in place
Lots of my ideas were taken on board, 30 plus years of working environment of working in my field. Feel like they milked me for my experience then said goodbye.
What a TEAM. "We" (the boss) want more". The boss says "What do you mean "you want equality""? The Boss believes there is no "I" in "team" but the boss sure thinks there is a "ME" in there. Sounds like a backward boss, you know ssob, a double s-o-b.
Me: "This boss sounds completely insane. This makes no sense." Me: (( finds out employee is a woman of color )) Me: "Okay, this makes sense now. I totally understand what's going on here."
Can I challenge your ‘All NGOs and charities are like this!’ Nope. I work for a fab charity that never expects me to work extra or if I do I get the time back when I want it. Conversely I’ve worked for corporates who expect that ‘little extra’ because they see you as a commodity.
5 HOURS FOR FREE????? Why do you think that US teachers are leaving the profession by the multitudes???? US Teachers are not only asked to put more than 5 hours a week for free, but they are also expected (as "salaried" personnel) to work Saturdays and Sundays. I do NOT either expect or encourage employees to work 5 hours overtime; however, I think the public should realize that teachers are not only abused by students, parents, and administrators, teachers are supposed to cater to whims of a 10 to 12 hour day "for the welfare and benefit of their students". I would have been thrilled, as when I was a teacher, I could have ONLY spent 5 hours a week for free.
The boss was a jerk. I want to address a common complaint. I, as a young Caucasian woman, experienced very disrespectful and abusive employers. As a new grad of a trade school, I was trying out for a job. The boss had me bring in a client for treatment. Following this, he told me “I could train a monkey to do what you just did.” While I had self respect, I didn’t have rent, or anyone in my life would help me out. So I looked him in the eye and asked “how would you have me do it differently?” ( I had done it by the textbook perfectly) He was obligated to explain what he wanted from me. So I said, I can do that. He was a different race than me. I firmly believe it had nothing to do with race. Some “bosses” are just jerks.
Haha I genuinely have worked at a company for 5 years that every Xmas make you work 8 hours free oer week from boxing day until mid Jan. You get. Will message Ben some stories when I leave which is hopefully soon.
I'm a person who upon first meeting me, you really like me or you really dislike me. It used to just gut me if I knew you didn't like me. Now I don't give a rats behind whether you like me or not. I don't live my life for you, I live it for myself and my family. As long as my husband and my children like me, that's all I care about.
To be fair, some people are upset of strong, outspoken women no matter what race. Unless he said something indicating race, I would assume it was that.
I've worked many jobs where there is a standard clause 'You may be required to work additional unpaid hours'. You agree to it, or you don't get the job. In every job I've ever had, I've been presented with a workload that was impossible to keep up with, except by staying late at the office. The bosses were all like "How you do it, is your problem." One boss decided that the tech team would now do weekend support, in addition to their weekday job. For no additional money. If you don't like it, there's the door.
Black women do have a reputation for being loud, confrontational and overbearing. They get little pushback because they can just shout RACISM, which she alludes to towards the end. She was still mistreated regardless.
So, because there's a negative stereotype about women of color, that means it's not racism? Please reread what you posted very carefully and thoughtfully.
erm your comment actually stems from Racism. Those negative stereotypes are not true its a false image that has been perpetuated for too long, many black women do not feel able to voice their opinions or bad experience because of this lie.
I don't think her being a black woman has anything to do with being called confrontational/ aggressive. How would she know what an Asian, or Hispanic, or even white woman experience is. I think if anything it's more the fact a woman might get labelled as this for not rolling over. In fact I think not even gender is actually relevant here. I think it's just management will tend to call anyone who doesn't roll over this. That's my personal experience from manager feed back. That I am confrontational when asked to do things out of my contracted norms because I always challenge them on it. Especially when it's more of demand than a request made of me. I think people are too quick to assume that you're treated like x or y because of gender, sexuality, age, beliefs etc. sure it happens. But I think that it is no way near as much as people seem to think it does. I was 100% with her on everything up until that point. I think it had nothing to do with the way she was treated, or she'd have mentioned the 'race card' much sooner if this was racially motivated. I think it was completely down to all the other points she made. If anything more likely sexism than anything else as women are generally seen to be more agreeable, so a woman who doesn't just say yes all the time will more likely be labelled as difficult, confrontational, aggressive etc.
Statistics don't lie. We absolutely do know that particularly black women are more likely to be called confrontational or aggressive. It doesn't mean other people aren't also called these things, but it is far more likely to happen with particularly black women.
I have no problem telling management exactly what I think and if they're stepping over the line then I let them know. My last job was a shit show and it sucked just being in the building so when lunch came I would always leave to reset myself somewhere else while I ate, one day the boss tried to tell us to make food to bring into the meeting room and we would discuss things business related over lunch while eating whatever people decided to bring. I did not show up nor did I bring food, I promptly left to go buy lunch and reset and enjoyed it. I got back to work and a few workers told me that management was mad at me for skipping the work lunch. I approached them when they were all together in a room and asked them to tell me that they were angry at me and not others as well as to stick their anger up their asses because I don't get paid for lunch therefore I will not be doing anything ever work related over lunch including feeding their workers. They told me to leave the building while they discussed what would happen to me so I left, I packed all my shit too and took it because I wasn't planning on ever coming back. They called me 20 minutes later asking why I wasn't waiting in the parking lot for their answer and I said because I am not your puppet, oh and I cleaned out my locker and took all my stuff with me so enjoy meeting all those orders on time with a group that don't know how to do anything. They told me to be back in 10 minutes if I wanted to keep my job and I laughed telling them to shove their job, I will not be treated like this. They called me the next day begging me to come back to work and offered me a raise too because not a single order went out after I left and the big bosses were pissed at management. I agreed to come back if I got twice the raise and one of the managers was fired for incompetence. I returned to work 2 days later when it was cleared. Quit the job a month later lol. Fuck them!
I am a religious Jew, and I have never ONCE viewed someone's bad attitude with me as anti semitism! I don't think it's a good idea to theorize victimhood...
It is common though for women to be perceived as aggressive for the same behaviours men are praised for. Especially black women. It shouldn’t be ignored or dismissed. I hope no one IS treating you with prejudice for being Jewish but there’s no value in asking people to ignore the possibility. To be honest I’m not sure what traits Jewish people have negative bias in the workplace for but that doesn’t mean i won’t listen if a Jewish person experiences prejudice that could relate to their being religious/jewish
@@DrKaii whilst I understand your point re: being a victim and having that mindset. You can still see someone’s bias, address it and be a winner. Ignoring it won’t resolve anything.
Oh no! A business was trying to make you work extra! Go stand in the line of people who would gladly do your job at 75% of your pay JUST so they had income coming in. Team player? My big white behind.
This was a very brief window into the situation. There are usually lots and lots of little things that happened, but this was a short interview and probably didn't have the time to include each and every instance the boss did/said something questionable. That may come up in court proceedings, though.
I was interviewed for a job that was going to give me 5% more salary.... and 10% more mandatory hours. I laughed and said "no thanks". They were totally baffled.
Good for you! Glad you stood your ground.
"There's a difference between a boss and a leader." DEFINITELY!!!!
I am in the US. Contract changed to a new company. They expected everyone to work 44 hours a week, while paying for 40 hours. Told them flat out: "my name is not Sam Walton. I do not do discounts. And if I work 44 hours, I expect to be paid for 48. And yes, I know this sounds just as rediculous as what you expect."
But that doesn't sound ridiculous. You're just saying that you deserve overtime pay. Because you do.
The proper solution to adding this 6-10 course to the services the organization provides, is to hire a new person to handle the night shift...
Exactly! I can’t figure out why this doesn’t seem to have been considered. Sure, ask existing staff if anyone is willing and able to commit. If not - no worries - recruit specifically for that role.
Then again, given that this whole thing wasn’t even approved by the higher-ups to begin with, it really does seem like a personal mission to drive this poor person out… either way, it’s shit and very far from being good enough.
He hadn't been given budget approval for the new night class, so he couldn't hire a part-timer. He just expected Emily to work those extra hours for free.
That is what real schools do.
Standard planned work day of 13 hours is pretty illegal. Especially in healthcare is ends up with making failures by employees that can be end with death patients.
Ben, can we expect an update to hear what happens after the court hearings regarding her firing? We are all assuming it is related to these instances.
My wife worked in the non-profit world for years. There were times she was working 80 hour weeks. The problem with non-profits is that they really believe that what drives you should be that "youre making a difference" and not that you're getting paid. It's all meant to just be feel good. They also tend to not care about employees.
Try working in education. "Don't you care about the students?" says the CEO of a profit-making publishing company to the part-time materials writer.
Yeah, I noticed that since I've been told my position is going away in 5 months
The YMCA calls this “The “Y” way.”
"Prestige doesn't pay the bills. "
The executives at non-profits pull down $200k+ salaries and treat employees as slaves.
So well said. Nonprofit childcare in Canada is brutal because of this mindset and the guilt ladden, your here for the kids right? Never mind my kid at home.
Companies that have no respect for your time don't deserve any of your time. Hope she's alright, will be interested to see how the legal proceedings play out!
The way she talked was of someone who had experience in these fields very clear and articulated exceptionally
I'm becoming more convinced that employers want slaves not employees
Well of course they do. It's clear in the disrespect employees and potential employees/candidates are treated. Giving "sample" designs to "prove your prowess", one way interviews because they don't have enough time (because they "can't" screen well enough), and don't get me started on the rampant compensation issues...
In fairness with many things in life, you only ever hear about bad examples. There are plenty of excellent employers and managers who support their employees and are functional human beings with traits like empathy and respect.
I disagree. Slaves had to be taken care of the same as any domestic animal. If they were sick, they couldn't work, and were expensive to replace.
The attitude of employers today is more like the attitude towards black workers under Jim Crow: "One dies, get another." No guarantee of food, water, shelter, clothing, or medical care.
They would if they could. There's a lot of international history to back that up.
@@cobbler9113 Those "fair bosses" do not progress in the company and are often demoted due to being "inefficient" AKA make less profit than other bosses.
She literally couldn't have been more clear! That boss definitely has some prejudices...
It's nothing to do with prejudice.
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@@listeyand yet nothing can lead you to that conclusion. Yes, they may have been racist or didn't approve of single mothers or working mothers, or a ton of other things. You cannot just state it has nothing to do with prejudice. The real answer is we don't know either way, but this does smack of racism. There are a ton of micro aggressions in this story that are very indicative of racism, even if you cannot see them.
"Not a team player" = refuses to be exploited
Hes just an asshole. Nothing here suggests prejudice
I'm glad she put her foot down. Jobs come and go, but mental health may not
Ditto.
Unfortunately I could never find another position with the PTO and health insurance I relied on. Destroyed my mental health in the end, but I made it to early retirement at 55 with health care in retirement. Sort of a Pyrrhic victory.
It's the worst when jobs try to completely upend what's been agreed. It's outrageous to expect an employee to work 9 to 1 AND 6 to 10. Sadly this BS is so common.
“Split Shift”, I would refuse now…
With the hours proposed, when the heck would she eat or sleep, travel time etc. How ridiculous. No to his "suggestion" straight off.
Scandalous. As soon as my "boss" threatened to make me work 5 nights I would have quit on the spot.
Not everyone has that privilege. But I do agree with you.
OMG! You just helped me realize that my latest experience was as you said. The perception is that I was a threat. Wow.
A boss once accused me of being after their job. I replied "Of course I'm after your job! I make you look like a rock star, you get promoted, I get your job." For some bizarre and unfathomable reason, they didn't like that answer.
I love what this lady is preaching about leadership. I’m actually hoping to someday be a management/leadership consultant, because I do see that one of the key issues in corporate America is supervisors/leaders/execs not knowing how to lead effectively. I like to say that there are those of us who were born leaders, but leadership is something anyone can learn and grow in, and should. It’s such a valuable skill and mindset even if you’re not and don’t plan to be in leadership roles.
Think this was my favorite episode so far, she sounds so genuine and empowering, that was so inspirational to hear. It especially hit me personally because my whole life I've always tried to downplay my intelligence or avoid confrontations even when I'm right, just so I don't get seen as weird, different, a bother or a nuisance or confrontational and it stems from a deep issue of always being a bit different from others as a kid, also moving around a lot and being surrounded by people of different races and ideologies, which to be fair has given me a unique perspective on a lot of things but on the other hand has resulted in me not really belonging to any place or group and I'm just kind of floating to wherever I can fit even if its temporary. So when I hear stories like these it really motivates me to speak up more and say my mind and I'm actually finding out now that a lot more people are good willed and will properly consider my takes and perspectives. It never hurts to hear more words of assurance and guidance and your channel has just been a sea of wisdom and knowledge and I'm so glad to be here. Can't wait for you to grow it into an ocean, all the best of luck to you, everyone in these podcasts and everyone there fighting the good fight.
I feel like i should write kind regards after all that cuz it almost seems like a letter. Thanks anyway though, sorry for the mini book I've written 😅.
Lovely to hear, and wishing you the best of luck, love this comment
Considering how eloquently you can express yourself, you should definitely speak up 😊
Thank you for sharing your personal story. I can see you as a motivational speaker. Not an easy field to break into, but once you do, it can be quite lucrative. However this hinges on your lifestyle. Spouse and children may not care for you being away, traveling to speak to different groups.
You know your worth and stick to your guns and you will have opportunities presented to you. Always ho with your gut, it will never lead you astray.
I'm ready rooting for her to come out on top by the end of the legal process.
She was very good , strong and articulate. I applaud her.
Sounds like a boss trying to get his name noticed by the higher ups. Subsequently, finding the jig is up, he’s taken that out on you..
Had it in the Royal Navy, from the self appointed “go getters” . Amazing how quick they turn personal
Wow this is so crazy!! I wish her the best of luck in her next role.
My experience: employers want to work you 16 hours, and pay you for 8. They want to pay you just enough so that you can get to work tomorrow, and not much more.
BTDT. When I had one job, after I put gas in the car and paid all my other bills, I couldn't afford enough food to maintain my weight while doing heavy physical labor 60 hours a week. I was losing weight I didn't have to lose. That's generally referred to as starvation.
She can't be a "team player" when it's not actually any kind of team.
He's the one who isn't a team player. He's projecting. He didn't listen to the higher ups NOT approving his proposal, AND he wants to treat one of his employees THIS badly.
Ben you want to look at all the extra hours Teachers have to work. Teachers are paid from 8 till 4. Everything else is working for free. Over a 12 month period in the last school year my partner worked an extra 512 hours....unpaid.
And they are still shite
Who is shite @@BarryR.?
All I will say is teachers are paid salary, with that comes an expectation to work beyond the standard 8-4, with that being said they’re definitely under paid and of course there’s exceptions where specific schools may take advantage more than others
It is more stressful to work for a horrible boss than to be unemployed
Even if they are paying for childcare, it’s a very inhumane solution. Years ago I fell into the argument with people at work suggesting I could just pay for a childminder outside school hours, to accommodate their demands, I never succumbed (I never told them the real reason was because I was abused while under the care of a childminder when I was little).
To be a parent is to be in a secure relationship with another human while they at their most vulnerable stage of life, they can’t make choices for their own best interests, the adults around them have that job. One job. Make decisions for the child’s best interests. Just like a manager’s job is to make decisions for the company’s best interests (and now we are talking about adults looking after the interests and profits of other fully functioning competent adults).
What is the point of having children and then paying someone else to have the parent relationship with them?
This is not a dig at Emily, for suggesting it as a solution. I think many mother’s are guilt tripped into this way of thinking by employers and sometimes even peer pressure from other colleagues.
Absolutely agree
So all that manager can do are stupid fallacious arguments? How the hell did he manage to become a manager in the first place?
How do people think that this is ok? Some people are deluded.
Agreed
I’m wondering if this was all just trying to get her fired/to quit
Bullying people away is definitely a thing that happens.
Though I don’t know if she’s from the USA, because they can fire you for any reason there in most states, so I wouldn’t see why they would even bother bullying someone away
Bullying still happens in the US though, but I’d imagine that’s more a desire to feel power over others rather than exposing of someone
@@cluelessmango768 She's from the USA. The usual trick is to fire an employee or force them to quit, because in the US if you are fired for cause or resign you aren't eligible for the pittance Unemployment Insurance pays.
If employers lay off employees, it raises their rates for Unemployment Insurance, which cuts into their bottom line. Very common in the US for an employee with years of top performance to suddenly be called into the office and fired for "poor performance." In an at-will employment state, the employee has almost no recourse.
In 2009 during the dark days of the recession, I got a job as a slot attendant at a new casino in Las Vegas. We were all so desperate for work and grateful for the job. But our management had us doing almost an hour a day of work off the clock. They had us go into the employee cage, check out our money for our pouch (I think we carried something like 5 or 10 thousand dollars in cash, I can’t remember). We had to hand count the cash under the surveillance camera, then run it through a digital machine. Then we had to go to the slot office and check out our keys and radio. Then we had to go all the way to the center of the slot floor which is a really long walk - I’d guess close to half a mile. Only then were we able to clock in. Then, at the end of our shift, we had to clock out on the floor, walk all the way down to the slot office to check in our equipment, then to the cage to count our money, wrap it, seal it and drop it in the slot. The worst part was sometimes, you’d get stopped by a guest on your way to or from the time clock and not allowed to ignore them so then you end up doing even more work off the clock. Another bad thing was sometimes after clocking out, your money pouch would be short and you had to do all the troubleshooting/investigating of where the missing money was off the clock as well. This went on for over a year and one day they fired the wrong woman and she sued not only for wrongful termination but also did a class-action suit that ensured we now clocked in at the slot office before getting our gear and walking to the floor, and didn’t clock out until leaving the slot floor and turning in all the money and gear. The best part is, the casino had to pay us all back pay, even if we weren’t working there anymore! The had to pay us for all those free hours. The lawsuit was around 2013 so I don’t remember what the payout was, except that it was well over $1000. It may have even been closer to $2000. It was a nice lil chunk of change.
I hope you documented all communication with anyone evolved.
Gee, don't worry about taking care of your child because YOU have 'committed' to working for us and we will make a schedule that will only work for us.
Also being 'confrontational' and 'aggressive' usually is only thrown out when it's a women who is standing up for herself.
Especially a woman of color.
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It seems pretty common for "people" to not like a strong woman with some power behind her. If someone isn't going to like it, my observation is that it is usually a man, but it can sometimes be women as well.
I think it's a social issue that's clung on from bygone eras.
My partner is a very strong woman, and if she is pressed on something that matters, YOU WILL KNOW. I love it and relate to where that passion comes from, not everyone does.
They could have hired someone else for the evening classes.
Why pay a second salary when you can dragoon an existing employee into working for free?
I hope everything works out for Emily in the end. What an horrific experience. And even though toxic boss left, she still ended up fired?
There are multiple issues going on there. Some NPs will expect people to do more 'for the good of it' (basic exploitation in most cases) and there is the woman thing, where women are just expected to do loads of extra work (at home or at work) for nothing, as that is what society deems women's roles are, unpaid caretakers of the world. Yeah nah.
Example, I was the only woman on the factory floor. I got called into the office to go make coffee for a client (heaven forbid the dude who called me could make the coffee). I actually make lousy coffee. If you refuse, you, "the woman" are "not a team player" or aggressive, or uncooperative, or (insert worse insult). The job I was doing was pretty much a hard labour job previously done by men. Coffee making skills were not included on my resume.
At the end of the day, leaving (or even getting fired from) an exploitative company, is generally the best thing for your mental health. In the longer term.
I hope we learn more about the outcome. I agree with her account of the situation. She agreed to work 9-1pm. Then, she's told to work additionally a 6-10 pm courses? No to the no.
The old 'confrontational and bad attitude' line when someone stands up for themself
From what I see with a lot of the US stuff, this is normal, the bosses don't give a s..t and the US employment laws are not good, you can be fired for no reason and there is not the back up that we have in the UK.
Honestly an awful system. Nothing to fall back on if you’re between jobs and no protection against getting fired, meaning there’s no true guarantee you won’t be out of a job next morning
I don’t accept employers doing that.. I tell them I quit.
In our country, this " Boss" would be fired. Exploitation of Laborors has legal consequences in my country they can even close down the whole facility.
Unfortunately, in America, there is very little employment law or protections for that matter
Name and shame!
Looking forward to seeing what happens with this, disgraceful behaviour and i hope she cleans up.
Honestly it would've been a sacrifice just to get the money for the childcare and do the job. This woman is a saint.
Only five extra hours for free? * weeps in retail and hospitality *
My ex’s workplace expected everyone to work every evening fir 1 hour overtime no pay.
That's a manager trying to prove himself, or make a name, has a pet project.
and after her objections where an ego issue, he did not like being told no.
One of the greatest lessons I learned in life is the difference between a leader and a manager. We see eye to eye on that and I would enjoy working with her. They lost a good one when they let her go.
She really hit the nail on the head with her in the closing minutes. It resonated with me.
I have found in my career that there are two kinds of leaders: one would get paid for it and the other who doesn't and is just a worker bee! Good leaders usually aren't in management because that's reserved for "yes" people.
Her boss was trying to make himself look good by servicing more clients. Since he didn’t have Mgt. approval, he couldn’t hire extra personnel for his plan, so he thought he’d bully her into working nights as well as days. She let the cat out of the bag with Mgt. They were probably pissed he was extending programs without their approval. I notice he recently resigned. This is not a surprise
So many women (particularly women of colour) are gaslighted by being called 'difficult', 'confrontational', 'not a team player' etc. These terms would rarely, if ever, be applied to a white male employee. I've been subject to this, as a woman, without the additional layers of racism.
I'm so sad to hear that Emily has been fired, and wish her the best of luck in her future. I truly hope that she is able to sue the pants off this organisation. The (ex) manager sounds totally toxic, and absolutely threatened by Emily's talent and knowledge
I mean I agree, but I don’t think we need to downplay how much it affects men as well. Like, everyone is getting hit with such treatment, and it definitely is worse for women and people of color.
It’s just not productive to point to such a large and varied group like ‘white men’ and say “you’re hardly affected”, it just makes the men who did get affected feel even worse and only helps to polarize and push people towards extreme ideas
At least that’s my take on it
I was told all this at a job when they were literally trying to get me to do several things that are unethical in my industry (commercial property management), when I put my foot down and would not redo work because someone sat on it for 3 months and the form had since changed, among other things. They ended up putting me on a PIP….one reason being $40 of water was ordered for the office that I supposedly approved. I did not, another employee ordered the water and I wasn’t in charge of approving expenses even tho I was a sr. Manager, the SVP did. But who cares, it’s WATER! I ended up resigning.it took me a long time to get over this and treatment.
Why is it the ordinary workers get screwed and the bosses in non profit get paid huge money. They always use people
Any job that jeopardizes someone's family has rendered itself a liability. The reason we work is to care for our family. What was with this . . . guy?
Should probably stick to countries that have reasonable laws in the first place
Not sure it's just an American thing cuz I've only otherwise worked with UK and Aussie/Kiwi establishments but seems like Americans are significantly more often triggered by greater performance by the 'wrong' people, like they're not in the club, too nerdy, didn't go to the right school, etc. They fraternise like it's a sport, make personnel decisions based on social standing, and make no secret of their disdain for your presence if you're outperforming their favorites.
I'm American. I haven't experienced the social standing perks thing, but my current employer? It's all about your last name. I'm not from this place where I currently live. I don't have a local last name. I also have never been able to advance my position or even move laterally for 13 years. 90% of my internal applications didn't even result in an interview. Unfortunately, I can't just quit. I'm in a very rural area with extremely limited employment options. I am actively applying for fully remote jobs since I also don't get paid enough to have any savings to be able to afford to move.
In the US, they require a Bachelor's Degree (4 years Uni) for entry level jobs. And not one related to the position, but any degree. This is blatant socioeconomic discrimination.
To be fair, in the last century the USA has gone from teaching Latin, Greek, Logic and Rhetoric in High School, to teaching remedial Math and English in College.
Anyone in a leadership position who says, "because i say so and that's final!" Has just lost the game. Long gone are the days when that's effective. You have to deal with perceptions. If your workers perceive themselves as valued people who deserve better, then that IS who you are dealing with.
Americans shout, man. I love em, but they shout.
I have relatives who can be heard across a crowded room… when they whisper! 🤦♀️
Try being near an Indian who's talking/screaming on their cell phone!
Love the content!
Once this stuff starts, keep a record of every interaction with times and dates, keep texts and emails as proof should you need to take them to court
Every smart employee keeps a "CYA file" from day one. Any dirt you can dig up on the company goes in that file also.
Have been told in the past overtime considered contribution to cause 😮
The thumbnail text was a tad misleading IMO. I don't think that many would be accepting of split shifts after being told 9-5. (Edited for a typo.)
Fair! Will bear that in mind for the next one
Many of your stories are about unreasonable management. I am fairly positive if this person said fine I will do it, but I need you available during those same hours this manager would find any excuse to not do it. Also if the next level manager asked the same of the unreasonable manager, the excuses and resistance would be more intense than the valid reasons this person shared. Most are probably a do as I say not as I do type of manager, and they would not want to do what they say. Leaders lead by example and care about and care for their people. If their people are successful they will be successful. Treat your people well and with appreciation and they will bend over backward for you and follow you into any fight especially if you reward them accordingly. Treat your people poorly and you will fail.
I work in technical trades in IT, communications and hardware development (engineer). Inget job offers from India 10-15 time A Day... they are always the same, they offer me a job in exchange for zero pay, zero benefits, asking me to develop and design their products all for the Prestige of listing them on my resume.
The question is: have any of them ever come back with a counter offer?
@@tricitymorte1 of course not. If theynstart atn0 they stay at 0, becayuse they don't know, shit about their own ideas. If i worked for free for everyone who thinks they have a 'million dollar idea" i'd be broke and over worked.
It might be resume scamming.
US corporations are whining that they can't find workers. We have weak labor laws, weak unions, and i am glad that workers are standing up. I hope unions and labor laws will be stronger. I am in an "at will" state, where mhealth care workers are forced to work mandatory overtime AND 30% of my field are working full time hours "PRN" without benefits. I alse know that female-dominated professions are paid and benefitted worse too.
He wanted to expand the program and then ask for extra funding out of the larger organization… it’s a lot easier to get funding for something you can show is in place
Lots of my ideas were taken on board, 30 plus years of working environment of working in my field. Feel like they milked me for my experience then said goodbye.
What a TEAM. "We" (the boss) want more". The boss says "What do you mean "you want equality""? The Boss believes there is no "I" in "team" but the boss sure thinks there is a "ME" in there. Sounds like a backward boss, you know ssob, a double s-o-b.
Work for free explain why you should do that. I have working for over 40 years and not even 1 second for free.
Non-profit bosses get paid really well
This is par for the course in the States. We work for free or without overtime pay all the time.
Any zoom meeting with the boss// HR// personnel or whatever Press that record button and save it to the cloud
cover your arse
Me: "This boss sounds completely insane. This makes no sense."
Me: (( finds out employee is a woman of color ))
Me: "Okay, this makes sense now. I totally understand what's going on here."
When did all of this "team" stuff happen? I thought my boss (live and work in Italy) was demanding but he's a sweetie compared to this person
by law u must be paid a split shift allowance.😮
Can I challenge your ‘All NGOs and charities are like this!’ Nope. I work for a fab charity that never expects me to work extra or if I do I get the time back when I want it. Conversely I’ve worked for corporates who expect that ‘little extra’ because they see you as a commodity.
5 HOURS FOR FREE????? Why do you think that US teachers are leaving the profession by the multitudes????
US Teachers are not only asked to put more than 5 hours a week for free, but they are also expected (as "salaried" personnel) to work Saturdays and Sundays. I do NOT either expect or encourage employees to work 5 hours overtime; however, I think the public should realize that teachers are not only abused by students, parents, and administrators, teachers are supposed to cater to whims of a 10 to 12 hour day "for the welfare and benefit of their students". I would have been thrilled, as when I was a teacher, I could have ONLY spent 5 hours a week for free.
The boss was a jerk. I want to address a common complaint. I, as a young Caucasian woman, experienced very disrespectful and abusive employers. As a new grad of a trade school, I was trying out for a job. The boss had me bring in a client for treatment. Following this, he told me “I could train a monkey to do what you just did.” While I had self respect, I didn’t have rent, or anyone in my life would help me out. So I looked him in the eye and asked “how would you have me do it differently?” ( I had done it by the textbook perfectly) He was obligated to explain what he wanted from me. So I said, I can do that. He was a different race than me. I firmly believe it had nothing to do with race. Some “bosses” are just jerks.
Haha I genuinely have worked at a company for 5 years that every Xmas make you work 8 hours free oer week from boxing day until mid Jan. You get. Will message Ben some stories when I leave which is hopefully soon.
I'm a person who upon first meeting me, you really like me or you really dislike me. It used to just gut me if I knew you didn't like me. Now I don't give a rats behind whether you like me or not. I don't live my life for you, I live it for myself and my family. As long as my husband and my children like me, that's all I care about.
To be fair, some people are upset of strong, outspoken women no matter what race. Unless he said something indicating race, I would assume it was that.
She is actually in the wrong
Why was she fired!?
For being an uppity black woman, apparently.
never heard of self directed learning?
Record everything on your phone.
That boss is an asshole.
Saw your TikTok story that she’s since been fired? Like, what? 😮
After Covid you would think bosses would be watching their Ps and Qs with these issues.
I've worked many jobs where there is a standard clause 'You may be required to work additional unpaid hours'. You agree to it, or you don't get the job.
In every job I've ever had, I've been presented with a workload that was impossible to keep up with, except by staying late at the office. The bosses were all like "How you do it, is your problem."
One boss decided that the tech team would now do weekend support, in addition to their weekday job. For no additional money.
If you don't like it, there's the door.
I ben askin this for years
Black women do have a reputation for being loud, confrontational and overbearing. They get little pushback because they can just shout RACISM, which she alludes to towards the end. She was still mistreated regardless.
So, because there's a negative stereotype about women of color, that means it's not racism? Please reread what you posted very carefully and thoughtfully.
erm your comment actually stems from Racism. Those negative stereotypes are not true its a false image that has been perpetuated for too long, many black women do not feel able to voice their opinions or bad experience because of this lie.
I don't think her being a black woman has anything to do with being called confrontational/ aggressive. How would she know what an Asian, or Hispanic, or even white woman experience is. I think if anything it's more the fact a woman might get labelled as this for not rolling over. In fact I think not even gender is actually relevant here. I think it's just management will tend to call anyone who doesn't roll over this. That's my personal experience from manager feed back. That I am confrontational when asked to do things out of my contracted norms because I always challenge them on it. Especially when it's more of demand than a request made of me.
I think people are too quick to assume that you're treated like x or y because of gender, sexuality, age, beliefs etc. sure it happens. But I think that it is no way near as much as people seem to think it does. I was 100% with her on everything up until that point. I think it had nothing to do with the way she was treated, or she'd have mentioned the 'race card' much sooner if this was racially motivated. I think it was completely down to all the other points she made. If anything more likely sexism than anything else as women are generally seen to be more agreeable, so a woman who doesn't just say yes all the time will more likely be labelled as difficult, confrontational, aggressive etc.
Statistics don't lie. We absolutely do know that particularly black women are more likely to be called confrontational or aggressive. It doesn't mean other people aren't also called these things, but it is far more likely to happen with particularly black women.
I have no problem telling management exactly what I think and if they're stepping over the line then I let them know. My last job was a shit show and it sucked just being in the building so when lunch came I would always leave to reset myself somewhere else while I ate, one day the boss tried to tell us to make food to bring into the meeting room and we would discuss things business related over lunch while eating whatever people decided to bring. I did not show up nor did I bring food, I promptly left to go buy lunch and reset and enjoyed it. I got back to work and a few workers told me that management was mad at me for skipping the work lunch. I approached them when they were all together in a room and asked them to tell me that they were angry at me and not others as well as to stick their anger up their asses because I don't get paid for lunch therefore I will not be doing anything ever work related over lunch including feeding their workers. They told me to leave the building while they discussed what would happen to me so I left, I packed all my shit too and took it because I wasn't planning on ever coming back. They called me 20 minutes later asking why I wasn't waiting in the parking lot for their answer and I said because I am not your puppet, oh and I cleaned out my locker and took all my stuff with me so enjoy meeting all those orders on time with a group that don't know how to do anything. They told me to be back in 10 minutes if I wanted to keep my job and I laughed telling them to shove their job, I will not be treated like this. They called me the next day begging me to come back to work and offered me a raise too because not a single order went out after I left and the big bosses were pissed at management. I agreed to come back if I got twice the raise and one of the managers was fired for incompetence. I returned to work 2 days later when it was cleared. Quit the job a month later lol. Fuck them!
If there was a youtube futures market id be all in - i say three years 2 million subs
She’s so right about the attitude towards women/people of color. It’s gross and so unfounded.
Not just black women standing up for themselves, ALL women. We get labeled the same things, usually with be-yatch in the mix.
I am a religious Jew, and I have never ONCE viewed someone's bad attitude with me as anti semitism! I don't think it's a good idea to theorize victimhood...
It is common though for women to be perceived as aggressive for the same behaviours men are praised for. Especially black women. It shouldn’t be ignored or dismissed.
I hope no one IS treating you with prejudice for being Jewish but there’s no value in asking people to ignore the possibility. To be honest I’m not sure what traits Jewish people have negative bias in the workplace for but that doesn’t mean i won’t listen if a Jewish person experiences prejudice that could relate to their being religious/jewish
Is it though or have you just made it up? @@TaraFrost-e8d
Go to for certain minorities is to play the race card. Likelihood is the guy is just a bad boss irrespective of colour.
@@TaraFrost-e8d I 100% disagree. Victimhood thinking is a poison. View yourself as a winner. Too long a discussion though for a RUclips threa
@@DrKaii whilst I understand your point re: being a victim and having that mindset. You can still see someone’s bias, address it and be a winner. Ignoring it won’t resolve anything.
That voice it’s a no from me 😂
Oh no! A business was trying to make you work extra! Go stand in the line of people who would gladly do your job at 75% of your pay JUST so they had income coming in. Team player? My big white behind.
Are you a Christian? Remember the part about don't deny the treading ox its grain?
I disagree with you. You devalue her because she can't or won't do duties outside of her contract. Do I understand you correctly?
The race card does not seem any reason in this situation, why bring it up. Usually I find if race is brought up the story is only 50% right
This was a very brief window into the situation. There are usually lots and lots of little things that happened, but this was a short interview and probably didn't have the time to include each and every instance the boss did/said something questionable. That may come up in court proceedings, though.