I had a tac vest and loved it. On deployment to Iraq in 2003 I had a molle system vest desert dpm pattern. That was my favourite bit of kit ever. I was a medic so I had a trauma pouch on there, it was great. Gadge was talking about his arm rubbing on the pouch while walking. It's too high, that's why. The bottom fastening should be below your belly button. Release the shoulder points so it comes down a bit and you will feel the difference. Storm shadow tattoo is great.
Back in the day we would wear a RAF survival vest, aka the "Harrier Vest" under the smock. All your personal gear, side arm and food you could eat on the move went in the vest, your outer smock pockets were filled with magazines, ammunition and grenades. Final assault order when moving fast was priority, lighter than CEFO. Your not going to need your wash kit, cook kit or be weighed down by water in the final assault. These rigs came about for what was perceived to be the next battlefield, fighting from a vehicle in an urban environment. Everything on the front wasn't an issue as you never went prone in an urban environment, it's hard to cover any window above the ground floor or rooftops when your prone, kneeling, squatting or sitting were the positions of urban warfare. And the ability to move quickly without getting snagged on fences and window frames.
Thanks for the info, that’s fascinating. I use a lightweight chest rig for urban or CQB along with a minimal shooters belt. I am guilty of lugging too much about most of the time!
@@dago4076 Just my personal preference, to keep armour and web gear separate. I think the DPM Combat Body Armour could be worn under the smock, and the ECBA has space for two plates to cover your chest and back. Smock goes over the top, lots of pockets to carry personal stuff, then an ops vest over that. Conceivably you could wear the armour and ops vest over your clothing, but you lose access to those pockets. If you can imagine the CBA/ECBA, and the vest with it, that's like a plate carrier setup, just without any MOLLE attachments. Another combination I used before was the EBCA and chest rig. A friend of mine wears a chest rig for hiking and wears it low down with the hip belt for his hiking rucksack. I'm personally not a fan of doing that, but it seems to work for him. I don't see him leopard crawling up any Cumbrian Fells so like the urban environment, it's unlikely to interfere with movement as it's very unlikely you'll go prone.
I was issued a set of standard issue PLCE, then I (on great advice) set it up properly. And then I saw an ops vest and decided to buy it. Then I decided to take it to herrick. And ditched the PLCE. Without planning anything. Or permission. It was shiteola. I didn't know I couldn't fit old school body armour over it and I only found out after I had arrived in theatre. What a plank!!!
I heavily modified my ops vest changed the ammo pouches to Arktis ones removed the top 2 pouches and replaced with grenade and PRR pouches loved mine in Iraq & NI.
Webbing Walks, what a great format. I have my eye on a bit of airborne webbing, but weirdly at the moment, my fave webbing is the Russian SSO Smersh replica that I bought on a whim. Pity it doesn't really go well with the L85A3 I love to rock.
I’m into my Russian kit in a big way. I love the variety of different camo patterns, particularly the NATO copies! I believe the SMERSH was excellent for its time. The nylon material made it better in comparison to 58 pattern webbing and the grenade pouches integrated to the ammo pouches are a good touch as is the main padded belt outer which is comfortable to use and very forward thinking for the time. However there doesn’t leave much room on the belt for additional pouches. The large pouch ‘crumbs bag’ doesn’t fit a great deal other than rations in it.
I had one of the trials Cops vest in Bosnia 96. As an armoured vehicle (Scimitar) driver/crewman I found it an excellent piece of kit. But as Cav we performed dismounted ops also. In that instance I’d use my PLCE webbing. I believe there’s not a ‘one size fits all’ application for personal load carrying and you tailor the kit/load-out/webbing to the job at hand. As mentioned in the video one of the main drawbacks with the cops vest is when you ‘get on your belt’ or go prone the pouches dig in and are very uncomfortable, plus they make leopard crawling etc very hard
Another great video guys. Always enjoy seeing how other countries did it. I still like my old ALICE stuff from my days. but..... Anyway thanks for making these videos.
I remember those assault vest had them when I first started out then moved onto a Commando chest rig & then onto 511 chest rig they don't make anymore. I've gone back to the m170 chest rig ex surplus no nonsense rig.
Yes, l like webbing walk by wearing "US FLC vest" with 1-day hiking loadout without haversack. 2x Tripple molle pouches (front end, for 2x handphones, keys, paper note,...), 2x nalgene oasis (East/West waist by CANTEEN GENERAL PURPOSE POUCH), 1x Admin pouch (rear, for energy bars).
Good review. God I remember those vests! The material wasn't lined with the rubberised liner like in the PLCE webbing pouches, so were lighter. Yeah the velcro ammo pouches were a thing!
Something I’ve noticed which wasn’t mentioned whilst comparing my DPM to my DDPM, is the DDPM has clips for an issue camelbak water bladder in place of the rocket pack clips. Granted, it’s a somewhat trivial thing, but thought it worth noting. Another (I’m coming back to this post PLCE) is the modularity of the DDPM in comparison.
I am really tempted about the molle webbing lbv osprey version... (Not the plate carrier). I thought about running mod loops for belt loops to attach my gun belt as well by weaving the mod loops through the bottom row of the molle of the osprey lbv... hanging down these mod straps would link up to my belt like seen on other assault vests including my Mil-Tec modular system in O.D which is holding my IDOGEAR bison belt replica. Thought about doing this for a fall, winter, arid, desert, farmland & dead vegetation loadout in north america.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV noted! I may go the way of the Dutch modular vest or something instead or even an American FLC for a more low profile 2nd setup that's still somewhat in the assault vest/ops vest family.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV thank you for the advice. I was trying to do research & really narrow down my best options in my head in the surplus assault vest molle compatible searching world it's an older idea.
There are British companies like dragon, troopers and jay jays that make quality patrol yokes like the ones you are describing. Might be worth a look at their websites.
Hi Anvils, could you please care to elaborate more the usage of the ops west with the respirator pouch? The vest has two male trident buckles, but on S10 PLCE respirator pouch is just one female buckle, for the strap, which start is sowed to pouch directly on the side where the second male buckle from the ops vest would probably go. Was this hand-modified by soldiers? Or is there other pouch than the classic S10 PLCE respirator sack - "rezi pack" as you call it?
What are they like for running about in ? Can they be fastened down enough so the pouches don't flop about ? For long distance/trail running, there are lots of different lightweight utility vests, usually with a small pack at the back and water bottle/food pouches at the front. I do this sort of running and like the idea of these military issue vests, but wondered if they might be a bit too cumbersome ?
For trail running they would be too cumbersome and would get hot too. Short distances they are fine. I prefer webbing and Gadge prefers vests so I guess opinions will also differ on who you ask.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for that reply !👍 I was just looking at one at a car boot sale and thinking about it ! I also marshal at running races etc. so it might still fit in with somewhere.👍
@@AnvilAirsoftTVI have a question about the ops vest and I hope you can help me out. I have two of these assault vest, one later one with the nexus buckles to attach a haversack and one without. Now you said that you can fit the rocket pack to the clips, however thats not possible? The rocket pack has smaller nexus clips than the ones on the vest, so you cant attach it. The same goes for a camelback hydration bladder I bought. Again the clips on the bladder are smaller than the one on the vest. Do your vests have smaller buckles or is there sth I overlooked? I really want to attach a haversack or bladder to my assault vest for airsoft purposes and so far every plce haversack or bladder I have bought fits only the smaller buckles (the same size that closes the front pockets) Thanks!
for a themed loadout great... but personally I just use a molle chest rig as it's airsoft and not real steel and only need to carry magazines... no plate carrier needed as I'm not doing to get shot by a bullet..! and I use mid caps so need more magazines to carry not just the 3 magazines I see on nearly EVERY single "SF" operator that is set up for direct action not war fighting..!
do you guys get any weird looks when doing webbing walks? I was considering doing it for fitness but dunno about walking around wearing webbing without even serving/having served
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah don't want to spend cash on a weighted vest as good ones are expensive. Webbing spreads the weight better than a ruck so would prefer that really
I used my op vest on many op tours South Armagh and Iraq and the Balkans and a number excersie in the Jungle and Canada and germany.i loved mine
Thanks for letting us know.
I had a tac vest and loved it. On deployment to Iraq in 2003 I had a molle system vest desert dpm pattern. That was my favourite bit of kit ever. I was a medic so I had a trauma pouch on there, it was great. Gadge was talking about his arm rubbing on the pouch while walking. It's too high, that's why. The bottom fastening should be below your belly button. Release the shoulder points so it comes down a bit and you will feel the difference. Storm shadow tattoo is great.
Back in the day we would wear a RAF survival vest, aka the "Harrier Vest" under the smock. All your personal gear, side arm and food you could eat on the move went in the vest, your outer smock pockets were filled with magazines, ammunition and grenades. Final assault order when moving fast was priority, lighter than CEFO. Your not going to need your wash kit, cook kit or be weighed down by water in the final assault. These rigs came about for what was perceived to be the next battlefield, fighting from a vehicle in an urban environment. Everything on the front wasn't an issue as you never went prone in an urban environment, it's hard to cover any window above the ground floor or rooftops when your prone, kneeling, squatting or sitting were the positions of urban warfare. And the ability to move quickly without getting snagged on fences and window frames.
Thanks for the info, that’s fascinating. I use a lightweight chest rig for urban or CQB along with a minimal shooters belt. I am guilty of lugging too much about most of the time!
Thanks for sharing how you would setup with a plate carrier? Carrier to the body over the vest over smock?
Best regards
@@dago4076 Just my personal preference, to keep armour and web gear separate. I think the DPM Combat Body Armour could be worn under the smock, and the ECBA has space for two plates to cover your chest and back. Smock goes over the top, lots of pockets to carry personal stuff, then an ops vest over that. Conceivably you could wear the armour and ops vest over your clothing, but you lose access to those pockets. If you can imagine the CBA/ECBA, and the vest with it, that's like a plate carrier setup, just without any MOLLE attachments. Another combination I used before was the EBCA and chest rig. A friend of mine wears a chest rig for hiking and wears it low down with the hip belt for his hiking rucksack. I'm personally not a fan of doing that, but it seems to work for him. I don't see him leopard crawling up any Cumbrian Fells so like the urban environment, it's unlikely to interfere with movement as it's very unlikely you'll go prone.
I was issued a set of standard issue PLCE, then I (on great advice) set it up properly. And then I saw an ops vest and decided to buy it. Then I decided to take it to herrick. And ditched the PLCE. Without planning anything. Or permission. It was shiteola. I didn't know I couldn't fit old school body armour over it and I only found out after I had arrived in theatre. What a plank!!!
Thanks for letting us know your story!
I heavily modified my ops vest changed the ammo pouches to Arktis ones removed the top 2 pouches and replaced with grenade and PRR pouches loved mine in Iraq & NI.
Sounds like good mods to me.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV it worked well I should never have sold it 😢
Webbing Walks, what a great format. I have my eye on a bit of airborne webbing, but weirdly at the moment, my fave webbing is the Russian SSO Smersh replica that I bought on a whim. Pity it doesn't really go well with the L85A3 I love to rock.
I liked my Smersh. I had a repro and a then a Avicent one.
I’m into my Russian kit in a big way. I love the variety of different camo patterns, particularly the NATO copies!
I believe the SMERSH was excellent for its time. The nylon material made it better in comparison to 58 pattern webbing and the grenade pouches integrated to the ammo pouches are a good touch as is the main padded belt outer which is comfortable to use and very forward thinking for the time. However there doesn’t leave much room on the belt for additional pouches. The large pouch ‘crumbs bag’ doesn’t fit a great deal other than rations in it.
The SSO Smersh has to be the best load bearing equipment I've ever owned. As you said, too bad it doesn't really work with NATO stuff
@@RecoilRogue Another problem I found with the replica now that I am getting into night vision is that it lights up white under IR!
I love Cop type vests for civilian life. Wear them all the time in a black colour. So practical.
Two gentlemen casually enjoying the day in BA OPS vest. Priceless!
Just mooching about.
I had one of the trials Cops vest in Bosnia 96. As an armoured vehicle (Scimitar) driver/crewman I found it an excellent piece of kit. But as Cav we performed dismounted ops also. In that instance I’d use my PLCE webbing. I believe there’s not a ‘one size fits all’ application for personal load carrying and you tailor the kit/load-out/webbing to the job at hand.
As mentioned in the video one of the main drawbacks with the cops vest is when you ‘get on your belt’ or go prone the pouches dig in and are very uncomfortable, plus they make leopard crawling etc very hard
PLCE mag pouches are a bit tight but you can get 3 AK74 mags in there. These cheap rigs and webbing sets are a life saver.
Love from Ukraine
I was literally looking at these a day ago. Thank you for making a video on it!!
Glad to be of help
Another great video guys. Always enjoy seeing how other countries did it. I still like my old ALICE stuff from my days. but..... Anyway thanks for making these videos.
I remember those assault vest had them when I first started out then moved onto a Commando chest rig & then onto 511 chest rig they don't make anymore. I've gone back to the m170 chest rig ex surplus no nonsense rig.
Yes, l like webbing walk by wearing "US FLC vest" with 1-day hiking loadout without haversack. 2x Tripple molle pouches (front end, for 2x handphones, keys, paper note,...), 2x nalgene oasis (East/West waist by CANTEEN GENERAL PURPOSE POUCH), 1x Admin pouch (rear, for energy bars).
Sounds like a good setup.
Got a neat pic of French Commando's Marine wearing em during training
Oh cool!
Good review. God I remember those vests! The material wasn't lined with the rubberised liner like in the PLCE webbing pouches, so were lighter. Yeah the velcro ammo pouches were a thing!
Love my ops vest keep the vids coming chaps
Thanks. Will do!
Something I’ve noticed which wasn’t mentioned whilst comparing my DPM to my DDPM, is the DDPM has clips for an issue camelbak water bladder in place of the rocket pack clips. Granted, it’s a somewhat trivial thing, but thought it worth noting. Another (I’m coming back to this post PLCE) is the modularity of the DDPM in comparison.
Thanks for the info!
You can always tailor buckles onto yokes/vests/Bergens and add as many rockets as you like :-D
@@OldNavajoTricks true that, I just ain’t got the experience to, nor the funds or in-roads to send it to a pro.
@@kaynanvulperus4633 Don't suppose you're anywhere near Nottingham lol?
always good to see another video from you guys! I see you came across the ole Canadian airforce... the cobra chickens! lol
Really cool video though i dont know how well it would go down in my area of south london.
People are pretty relaxed round here.
I am really tempted about the molle webbing lbv osprey version... (Not the plate carrier).
I thought about running mod loops for belt loops to attach my gun belt as well by weaving the mod loops through the bottom row of the molle of the osprey lbv... hanging down these mod straps would link up to my belt like seen on other assault vests including my Mil-Tec modular system in O.D which is holding my IDOGEAR bison belt replica.
Thought about doing this for a fall, winter, arid, desert, farmland & dead vegetation loadout in north america.
Not going to lie. Osprey is not very good.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV noted! I may go the way of the Dutch modular vest or something instead or even an American FLC for a more low profile 2nd setup that's still somewhat in the assault vest/ops vest family.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV thank you for the advice. I was trying to do research & really narrow down my best options in my head in the surplus assault vest molle compatible searching world it's an older idea.
There are British companies like dragon, troopers and jay jays that make quality patrol yokes like the ones you are describing. Might be worth a look at their websites.
Good kit
Hi Anvils, could you please care to elaborate more the usage of the ops west with the respirator pouch? The vest has two male trident buckles, but on S10 PLCE respirator pouch is just one female buckle, for the strap, which start is sowed to pouch directly on the side where the second male buckle from the ops vest would probably go. Was this hand-modified by soldiers? Or is there other pouch than the classic S10 PLCE respirator sack - "rezi pack" as you call it?
I’ll check in with Gadge and get back to you.
What are they like for running about in ? Can they be fastened down enough so the pouches don't flop about ? For long distance/trail running, there are lots of different lightweight utility vests, usually with a small pack at the back and water bottle/food pouches at the front. I do this sort of running and like the idea of these military issue vests, but wondered if they might be a bit too cumbersome ?
For trail running they would be too cumbersome and would get hot too. Short distances they are fine. I prefer webbing and Gadge prefers vests so I guess opinions will also differ on who you ask.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for that reply !👍 I was just looking at one at a car boot sale and thinking about it ! I also marshal at running races etc. so it might still fit in with somewhere.👍
Useful for that. Tons of storage space.
Never got on with mine preffered a chest rig for urban ops
100% agree
if you look in the background at 3;29 there was a guy that looked like he was wearing what looks to be white plastic overalls standing on kayak.
There’s quite a lot of standup paddlers on the canal.
Try walking in usgi ALICE gear the clips are so comfy (there not) it will be a fun challenge probably
We will do a US webbing episode at some point.
@@AnvilAirsoftTVI have a question about the ops vest and I hope you can help me out. I have two of these assault vest, one later one with the nexus buckles to attach a haversack and one without.
Now you said that you can fit the rocket pack to the clips, however thats not possible? The rocket pack has smaller nexus clips than the ones on the vest, so you cant attach it.
The same goes for a camelback hydration bladder I bought. Again the clips on the bladder are smaller than the one on the vest. Do your vests have smaller buckles or is there sth I overlooked? I really want to attach a haversack or bladder to my assault vest for airsoft purposes and so far every plce haversack or bladder I have bought fits only the smaller buckles (the same size that closes the front pockets)
Thanks!
Are the two shoulder buckles for the 'rocket pack' compatible with a Camelbak of any sort?
You could probably rig something up.
With the cap on you look so like Ramzan Kadyrov the Chechen leaser
That’s not a great look!
for a themed loadout great... but personally I just use a molle chest rig as it's airsoft and not real steel and only need to carry magazines... no plate carrier needed as I'm not doing to get shot by a bullet..! and I use mid caps so need more magazines to carry not just the 3 magazines I see on nearly EVERY single "SF" operator that is set up for direct action not war fighting..!
I would use a chest rig for shorter games. If I needed to carry more gear then I’d probably go to a set of webbing.
do you guys get any weird looks when doing webbing walks? I was considering doing it for fitness but dunno about walking around wearing webbing without even serving/having served
A few. We do it very infrequently though. You could use a weight vest or a loaded rucksack?
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah don't want to spend cash on a weighted vest as good ones are expensive. Webbing spreads the weight better than a ruck so would prefer that really
Where can I buy these vests? very good!
EBay if you’re not in the UK. If in the UK most army surplus shops.
What is manufacturer and model of grey backpack in video? Tnx
It’s a Cannae Gear Legion in Ranger Green. No longer manufactured though.
I have a trials vest
Is there a pouch on there that will take extended glock mags?
Nope.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV damnit. I was looking for a rig that i can use with all my replicas without swapping pouches
Useless for jungle. Wore one in East Timor for 7 months.
Ill stick to my SADF battle vest
Ahead of its time when issued to me in 87 still better than most of the gear out there
Agreed. Was such an advanced bit of kit.
Causes over heating.... Go back to webbing..... It does more.
I much prefer webbing