The thing about the SurRon and Talaria is that they fit in this niche 'Goldilocks' zone. They are small enough to easily get away with riding them around on the street like a bicycle, but also have way more power than any "e-bike". The Talaria and SurRon were never meant to be a full fledged or high performance E-Moto. It's cool that they are offering different models - different tools for different jobs - where you can get a more 'motorcycle' machine for more 'motorcycle' use.
I get pulled over every time I try and ride my Sur-Ron on the street so.. Maybe in a big city with too much going on for the cops to care but where I live the cops are bored
@@shredmas Where do you live? We got mobs of people doing street takeovers and donuts in their cars at intersections, slamming into and killing pedestrians here in LA... so you're right. Police are less likely to hassle me if when I'm being low-key on my Surron X here in the big city.
Yeah, I just bought a Surron X. It's like the Honda Grom of the dirtbike world. It gives you a totally different experience than with a full-fledged, full-sized moto. With that said, I may get the Ultra Bee as an addition to the stable and not as a replacement for my LBX.
@@jasper_of_puppets A small town in Southern Oregon population 2000 people. The great part is I live 1 minute from BLM land. I'm really an off-road rider. So just 1 block is where the trails start and they go on for hundreds of miles
@@shredmas Man, your local cops get on your case for riding a small electric bike around in the street? And out in a rural area like that? Lame! I even ride my Surron on the sidewalk. Nobody really cares as long as I do so reasonably and go slow around pedestrians.
FYI, if you compare Ultra Bee and Light Bee X photos side by side, you can see that aside from both being a diamond shape, the frames are entirely different. The Ultra Bee appears to have a bespoke chassis and is not just a souped-up LBX.
The bike looks absolutely amazing, thank you so much for sharing as much information as you did. I am really impressed with what I saw from this company. I'm looking into how much it cost and I'm definitely getting one. Thanks to you.
It sure would be nice if the manufacturers would provide realistic range figures. I doubt 87 miles is even possible if you're going 5 mph. Bottom line is nobody is buying these things to ride insanely slow. My light bee is good for 18-20 miles of off road riding. My Nicot ebeast is good for 20-26 miles.
If you actually read the fine print irs 87 miles on flat terrain at 25mph. I would also assume that’s with a smaller adult (120-125lb) if you take 20-30 miles off their estimate that’s still pretty good. Going up in voltage and amp hours is always a plus
Great video. I currently own the Storm Bee (I call the Storm Beast) and it's gobsmackingly brilliant. I've also got an electric mountain bike (eMTB). Being a greedy bastard, I'd like to get something in between. My beast is awesome but the weight is a thing on very technical trails. Honestly I'd like a electric trials bike but I can't afford the Euro electric trials bikes. I'm hoping to get an Ultra Bee for testing. The Light Bee is simply too small for me at 187cm and 90kg (6'1.5" and 200lbs). The Ultra Bee might hit the sweet spot for me as a 2nd (or 3rd or 4th bike). One odd thing is the passenger footpegs on the Ultra Bee. The max payload is 100kg so both passengers would have to be damn small. I'm almost 100kg (220lbs) alone. I've taken my wife on the back of the Storm Bee a couple of times but it has no passenger footpegs. I've seen kids take their friend on their Light Bee's but this risks breaking the sub-frame which is probably the limiting factor. The power is not.
@@speedbird737 Why so few miles? I was out with injuries and surgeries a good part of last year but I still managed about 1000 km (600 miles) since I bought it. The vast majority off-road.
My Nicot eBeast is 72V 50Ah. I ride only off road. Best I've done is 26 miles. With the Ultra Bee being lighter and having slightly higher Ah it may be able to achieve a bit over 30 miles of legit off road riding.
I have a Zero MX and built a 60ah x 52v pack for it. The bike weighs 150lbs with battery. I'm getting 30 miles winter 35 summer in off-road single and two track
@@GlassfilmWeddings What's your point? I agree. My post was in regards to range. Sur-ron can't magically get more range than competitors for a given battery capacity.
I’d pay extra to have the 300 xcw over this thing. This is fine if you live right at the trail and you can go for 30 mins then go home. Other than that. This isn’t for me at all!
no to people where police ride on 450 4 strokes listening for loud motorbikes and then take them and crush them. Electric is clean/fast/quite and easy to maintain. (I also have 2 strokes)
How long does it take to charge it? Can I fully charge one battery while using the 2nd one? Is the integrated charger removable? Or would I need to get a 2nd charger to charge an extra battery?
Unsprung weight. Center of Mass. Load transfer, etc. Total combined weight will have different outcomes on performance. Big hits will be better served by stanchion width and damping set up. A heavier fork will tip the scales towards the front of the bike using mx suspensions. MX springs will be higher rates, but that's easy to swap out on either type.
The rider is dynamic and moves their weight around cushioning impacts with their legs. The bikes mass is just dead weight slamming into things. A rider can preload and unweight with their body. Bike forks will take a serious beating from a heavy bike compared to a heavy rider. Also during a crash the 40lb mtb bike tumbling around wont destroy itself like the 110lb bike with mtb suspension.
If your quick to purchase the ultra bee ya better buy 2 of them cause from what i hear there isn't any spare parts available no after market parts and almost non existent tech support , from what I've heard !
My thoughts, two big misses. The first one is the rim size like you said it should be a 21 in the front 18 in the rear. And the second is having an onboard charger on a dirt only motorcycle. How are you going to use it when you're out in the middle of the woods and there's no where to plug in and you're carrying around the extra weight of the charger for no reason. You need to get back to the pits or your vehicle to plug in the only time it makes sense is on a street legal bike where you're riding to a friend's house etc. I think the battery is pretty good just under 4 kilowatt hours.
I don't believe you're required to tote around the charger...they've simply supplied a location that can conveniently stow the charger if needed. Seems neat to me.
It’s just a storagethe charger isn’t permanently mounted in the bike 🙄 due to the redesign of the seat, there is more room under the seat allowing the charger, tools and a water bottle under the seat
This bike not going sell as much first of all most people buying the regular Sur-Ron do so because they can get away with driving it anywhere.. this one , well looks too much illegal and people going not want to be harassed by police.. the regular bike looks more sexy and futireristic like out of a will Smith movie so I wouldn't buy this. Ike.
Fairly comparative to a 125. Top speed, etc. Suspension on 125's is 31mm to 32mm, mtb forks are 32 to 38. DH at 40. So not sure what your complaining about. Valving? Easy to revalve & change spring rates on mtb forks. Travel? Roughly the same. What mtb forks have you ridden on? For the money, not worth it. Honda 125 at about 3500. Two stroke is way less maintenance than an electric bike. Too many potential problems. Overall, the ultra is a great looking bike that performs well, but is too expensive imo. Will probably go for at least 5k if not more. Even the Light at 3800 is a bad value compared to a 125.
Where are you getting way less maintenance on a 125 then a electric bike hahaha, there’s no top end rebuilds, carb rebuilds, spark plugs, air filters to clean etc. that literally one of thee biggest benefits of electric…
The thing about the SurRon and Talaria is that they fit in this niche 'Goldilocks' zone. They are small enough to easily get away with riding them around on the street like a bicycle, but also have way more power than any "e-bike". The Talaria and SurRon were never meant to be a full fledged or high performance E-Moto.
It's cool that they are offering different models - different tools for different jobs - where you can get a more 'motorcycle' machine for more 'motorcycle' use.
I get pulled over every time I try and ride my Sur-Ron on the street so.. Maybe in a big city with too much going on for the cops to care but where I live the cops are bored
@@shredmas Where do you live? We got mobs of people doing street takeovers and donuts in their cars at intersections, slamming into and killing pedestrians here in LA... so you're right. Police are less likely to hassle me if when I'm being low-key on my Surron X here in the big city.
Yeah, I just bought a Surron X. It's like the Honda Grom of the dirtbike world. It gives you a totally different experience than with a full-fledged, full-sized moto. With that said, I may get the Ultra Bee as an addition to the stable and not as a replacement for my LBX.
@@jasper_of_puppets A small town in Southern Oregon population 2000 people. The great part is I live 1 minute from BLM land. I'm really an off-road rider. So just 1 block is where the trails start and they go on for hundreds of miles
@@shredmas Man, your local cops get on your case for riding a small electric bike around in the street? And out in a rural area like that? Lame!
I even ride my Surron on the sidewalk. Nobody really cares as long as I do so reasonably and go slow around pedestrians.
I love the reverse on my storm bee! (and the Turbo button) - the new display on the ultra bee looks fantastic!
FYI, if you compare Ultra Bee and Light Bee X photos side by side, you can see that aside from both being a diamond shape, the frames are entirely different. The Ultra Bee appears to have a bespoke chassis and is not just a souped-up LBX.
The bike looks absolutely amazing, thank you so much for sharing as much information as you did. I am really impressed with what I saw from this company. I'm looking into how much it cost and I'm definitely getting one. Thanks to you.
They stated 87miles riding at 25mph, thou that’s probally on flat terrain only.
I'd like an Ultra and a stormbee with lic plates.
It sure would be nice if the manufacturers would provide realistic range figures. I doubt 87 miles is even possible if you're going 5 mph. Bottom line is nobody is buying these things to ride insanely slow. My light bee is good for 18-20 miles of off road riding. My Nicot ebeast is good for 20-26 miles.
If you actually read the fine print irs 87 miles on flat terrain at 25mph. I would also assume that’s with a smaller adult (120-125lb) if you take 20-30 miles off their estimate that’s still pretty good. Going up in voltage and amp hours is always a plus
Recently I got 26 miles and still had 56% left riding around some light hills around 35mph so I could see 45-50 miles being realistic 🤷🏻♂️
Great video. I currently own the Storm Bee (I call the Storm Beast) and it's gobsmackingly brilliant. I've also got an electric mountain bike (eMTB). Being a greedy bastard, I'd like to get something in between. My beast is awesome but the weight is a thing on very technical trails. Honestly I'd like a electric trials bike but I can't afford the Euro electric trials bikes.
I'm hoping to get an Ultra Bee for testing. The Light Bee is simply too small for me at 187cm and 90kg (6'1.5" and 200lbs). The Ultra Bee might hit the sweet spot for me as a 2nd (or 3rd or 4th bike).
One odd thing is the passenger footpegs on the Ultra Bee. The max payload is 100kg so both passengers would have to be damn small. I'm almost 100kg (220lbs) alone. I've taken my wife on the back of the Storm Bee a couple of times but it has no passenger footpegs. I've seen kids take their friend on their Light Bee's but this risks breaking the sub-frame which is probably the limiting factor. The power is not.
You ever take your Storm Beast to MX tracks? How does it fare against 250 or 450s?
@@jasper_of_puppets not yet but a friend of mine has a Yamaha WR250R and I’m hoping we can do some comparison testing in the Spring.
@@martinfoster5163 doo it
I have the storm bee here in the uk - had it a year only ridden 15 miles lol. Must get outside more lol
@@speedbird737 Why so few miles? I was out with injuries and surgeries a good part of last year but I still managed about 1000 km (600 miles) since I bought it. The vast majority off-road.
My Nicot eBeast is 72V 50Ah. I ride only off road. Best I've done is 26 miles. With the Ultra Bee being lighter and having slightly higher Ah it may be able to achieve a bit over 30 miles of legit off road riding.
I have a Zero MX and built a 60ah x 52v pack for it. The bike weighs 150lbs with battery. I'm getting 30 miles winter 35 summer in off-road single and two track
Nicot build quality can’t even compare
@@GlassfilmWeddings What's your point? I agree. My post was in regards to range. Sur-ron can't magically get more range than competitors for a given battery capacity.
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That makes sense. He’s talking about hilly off-road terrain
how about the admit jet armor ....with 4 speed transmission / more range
$8500?? Go buy a nearly new KTM 300 2-stroke, no compromises.
internal combustion engine is the ultimate compromise for some people
@@vagtsal Yes, usually to total hypocrites who drive cars, fly on planes and turn on the heat.
6500 nor 8500
I’d pay extra to have the 300 xcw over this thing. This is fine if you live right at the trail and you can go for 30 mins then go home. Other than that. This isn’t for me at all!
no to people where police ride on 450 4 strokes listening for loud motorbikes and then take them and crush them.
Electric is clean/fast/quite and easy to maintain.
(I also have 2 strokes)
How long does it take to charge it? Can I fully charge one battery while using the 2nd one? Is the integrated charger removable? Or would I need to get a 2nd charger to charge an extra battery?
It says 3-4hrs
98v at 80amp power battery wish that they could build one for that sur ron ultra bee
A 80 amp battery could not fit in the chassis, in terms of price cutting and electronic safety they can't put as large battery as they want
Just ordered 5850 out the door
325ft.lbs of torque? Typo?
Lmfao what about at 6:25 when you scared a whole family off the trail there and didn’t mention anything about it haha
Do you do hare scramble races on electric bikes?
Yep!
There’s a shop selling these already. $8500 shipped in 5-8 days
Dang sucks that they cost the same as the storm bee
@@ballinboy0911 that’s exactly what I thought. I figured it would be around $6k but $8500 seems steep. I’ll go with the x and build it up
whats the name of the shop?
What shop is selling these?
8500 CAD or USD? CAD it seems about right
I really want to hear the price I hear its street legal witch I would love
Is there a difference between a 110lb bike with a 160lb rider or a 40lb bike with a 230lb rider? Will the stress on the components be the same?
The stress would be the same
If you’re talking battery yes. Suspension, no. The 110 pound bike would handle a bigger person a lot better than a 40 pound bike
Unsprung weight. Center of Mass. Load transfer, etc. Total combined weight will have different outcomes on performance. Big hits will be better served by stanchion width and damping set up. A heavier fork will tip the scales towards the front of the bike using mx suspensions. MX springs will be higher rates, but that's easy to swap out on either type.
The rider is dynamic and moves their weight around cushioning impacts with their legs. The bikes mass is just dead weight slamming into things. A rider can preload and unweight with their body. Bike forks will take a serious beating from a heavy bike compared to a heavy rider. Also during a crash the 40lb mtb bike tumbling around wont destroy itself like the 110lb bike with mtb suspension.
Sounds like you'll be buying this bike!
If your quick to purchase the ultra bee ya better buy 2 of them cause from what i hear there isn't any spare parts available no after market parts and almost non existent tech support , from what I've heard !
Not surprising since they just announced the bike last week.
Damn, nice bike! Can’t wait for JuicyMelons to modify these, got a JM Seat Extender on my LBX
There is no way they will make this the same price as the storm bee because it’s supposed to be Sur Ron X 2.0
It’s not suppose to be 2.0, that’s just what people on the internet were calling it. It’s was designed to be a Goldilocks midsize bike
But can it get wet?
Hope so
Yes it is Water proof, even the light bee did fine in water. It’s when people went to aftermarket controllers that we’re having water issues.
My thoughts, two big misses. The first one is the rim size like you said it should be a 21 in the front 18 in the rear. And the second is having an onboard charger on a dirt only motorcycle. How are you going to use it when you're out in the middle of the woods and there's no where to plug in and you're carrying around the extra weight of the charger for no reason. You need to get back to the pits or your vehicle to plug in the only time it makes sense is on a street legal bike where you're riding to a friend's house etc. I think the battery is pretty good just under 4 kilowatt hours.
I agree. It's only a good idea if you can remove the charger out of the bike when you want.
I don't believe you're required to tote around the charger...they've simply supplied a location that can conveniently stow the charger if needed. Seems neat to me.
It’s just a storagethe charger isn’t permanently mounted in the bike 🙄 due to the redesign of the seat, there is more room under the seat allowing the charger, tools and a water bottle under the seat
Don't you know, us campers and trail riders plug into Current Bushes. They are everywhere in the woods! 😂
Afghan😁
How bout storm bee
Heavy
at 10K?! Not worth it at all
@@rider65 Where are you getting $10k? It's like $8,500.00 USD
This bike not going sell as much first of all most people buying the regular Sur-Ron do so because they can get away with driving it anywhere.. this one , well looks too much illegal and people going not want to be harassed by police.. the regular bike looks more sexy and futireristic like out of a will Smith movie so I wouldn't buy this. Ike.
Not everyone rides them on roads
I’m buying 2. I ride %100 off road only
I'm very interested. I'll just put the plate off my dualsport and commute to work.
A majority of people who ride surrons are off-road. You see more kids on surrons in the streets filming as its easier to film and ride doing that.
Fairly comparative to a 125. Top speed, etc.
Suspension on 125's is 31mm to 32mm, mtb forks are 32 to 38. DH at 40. So not sure what your complaining about. Valving? Easy to revalve & change spring rates on mtb forks. Travel? Roughly the same. What mtb forks have you ridden on? For the money, not worth it. Honda 125 at about 3500.
Two stroke is way less maintenance than an electric bike. Too many potential problems. Overall, the ultra is a great looking bike that performs well, but is too expensive imo. Will probably go for at least 5k if not more. Even the Light at 3800 is a bad value compared to a 125.
Where are you getting way less maintenance on a 125 then a electric bike hahaha, there’s no top end rebuilds, carb rebuilds, spark plugs, air filters to clean etc. that literally one of thee biggest benefits of electric…