Turkish Method experimenting
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- Practicing the "Turkish method" as it's normally called, where a lot of archers hold the arrows close to the points with the long arrow shafts along the forearm. The direction they're held in is good but it's slower and easier to fumble with the arrows when you hold them that way. The book Saracen Archery (as I show in the screenshots I added to this video to show I didn't just pull this outta nowhere) tells about holding the arrows at the halfway points or two-thirds - which is probably even faster since the draw hand is closer to the feathers and nocks -
Hey Derek,
I can't speak from a horse archer view cause all the practice I do takes place firmly on the ground, but the reason I hold the arrows close to the tip, is field of view.
My anchor point is right behind my ear, under the skull bone, and if I hold the arrows close to the middle, they enter my peripheral vision, and to be frank it breaks my focus on the target.
I've noticed you're trying to improve your blind nocking, if you accept a suggestion, the way I learnt it was this, on days I couldn't get to the range, I strung my bow and started practicing blind nocking over my bed while I was watching some series or something.
It takes the pressure of not looking at the target from you, and you can do it basically endlessly.
Other than that I think you're on the right path man, keep up the good work :)
Cheers from Hungary!
PS.: I recommend checking out Armin Hirmer's videos on thumb-shooting, most of what I learned, I learnt from him, he's able to explain things in a way that even a dummy like me can understand it ;)
oh yeah I've seen tons of his stuff, I learned this from (1) a collaboration video that he did a while back and (2) I - more importantly - went back to the actual source material to see if that was legit, etc. And yes, I typically draw to the ear or to the jawbone, when I was filming this I *thought* that I was drawing to that length but I guess I came up a few inches short without noticing. See that's one of the reasons I do these videos, to correct myself on my mistakes and whatnot. So because of that, it being no video and concrete, I know to work on my draw length next time I go out to do it.
Oh yeah I've done that a lot with LARP arrows and my lightweight bow when sitting inside binge watching in my room, it's a pretty good exercise, I just gotta get more in the habit like when the weather gets colder over here.
As far as having the halfway points of the arrow shafts in your peripheral vision, would it help if your sighting was over-the-knuckle with your target aligned with where your forefinger is (the way Saracen Archery has illustrations, that one being "aiming outside the bow" )? I've tried that a bunch of times and it does work pretty well, I just don't use it *as* much since having the arrows at their halfway points hasn't hindered me with them being further to the right from the target than the first arrow.
@@DerekBartlettBeorn My bow hand is not nearly as high as to be able to aim over my knuckle, it's usually at most in line with my shoulder. But I'll try it out next session we'll see if I see any difference.
position in which you hold arrows is important but based on situation
in corect qiwer you have les than 1/3 of arrow in quiver so as you grab it is around 1/3 of lenght of arrow that is the fast way
but holding arrows close to tips push weight of them behind they just losely hang you need les tension for them and in my case I am more acurate that way
you should take only one arrow between index and midle finger for first shot in between midle and pinky you can hold based on thicknes like 4-8 arrows without trouble but dont shot holding one in between index and middle as it push on index and impede clean relase
for fast blind nockyng try to grab arrow farther back like with end of nock in middle of your thumb belly that way you push string thru behind nock then roll it on your thumb and it just fall to nock as it is presed in your thumb ;)
I dont know how heavy is your bow and how heavy you are planing to go but be carefull with pushing your bow hand
it work only with light bows with heavy it is impossible but problem are medium heavy bows between 40-60 pounds it is doable and you dont feel it but you can damage your elbow and shoulder
and it is also unbalancing your back alignment and pushing your shoulder out of corect position
also purely horizontal draw waste much more energy than draw from up down combined with little horizontal
other than that you are doing great and are more accurate than me after years of practicing thumb archery
Yeah I don't like to have my arrows poking out too far cause they can get stuck in things and snap etc. from experience. And yeah I don't like holding the arrows too close to the heads cause they swing around and the slide down with the draw hand is much longer and slower too. So evening it out by holding them halfway down like described in the book feels better too.
Yeah, I've still gotta practice the blind nocking more, I think I end up habitually slowing down sooner so my draw hand doesn't slip off or something. But yeah, pinch the nock and feel the groove to know where it's oriented and such, still working on that for exercise too.👍
The bow I use in this video is 30lb, I use that one when I'm trying 'newer' stuff that I haven't used before, different methods and such, especially since in this case I kinda have to refamiliarize myself with the thumb draw and work my way up to using my 40lb bow again. When I use my 40lb I do use that draw where you hold the bow up and then bring it down as you push it forward while pulling the string back (aka push-down draw), so yeah I gotta remember that for my next practice session with my 30lb, sound advice. And thanks for the accuracy compliment, I'm pretty excited to see how it'll turn out further along!
@@DerekBartlettBeorn yes holding arrows and chose of quiver is just about our preferences
I personaly hold arrows in draw hand by turkish way when need more accuracy as I twist string pretty hard and also when shoting in clubs with other archers standing in line when I shot alone or play on speed I prefer korean way just holding bunch of arrows in rewerse fist by nocks
if you twist string you then need full lenght of arrows and some more space on your side but to nock you just sving them in wrist grab one and nock is already next to string :)
ewerithing is about what we prefer and like my set of arrows at this time is realy heavy with bareled shafts 12mm strong in midle and 10mm on ends so those i try to hold either around tip or by nocks so I can grab more of them
if you just starting with thumbdraw be also carefull about your depth of hook
you can learn deep or shalow chose ring and go by it but well it is counterproductive to force it as you can damage your joint and tendons (as I did) it is good that you start with soft leather thumb protector but ewen better to chose ewen softer thiner when you shot light bow and try to observe and find which depth or angle of bending your thumb on string is most comfortable and require least force to hold idealy your index just lock your thumb and you can have all wrist mostly relaxed
ussualy it is about ratio between lenght of your thumb to your index finger
shorther thumb as I have work with shalow hook and longer thumb as on girl I teach it is better to use deep hook
and when you find it chose ring for that depth
it safes you some pain and as you dont need strenght to hold it improves smoth release
and it is safer and more comfortable ;)
blind nocking is nice bonus it is not important but nice to know best is to practice it at home just plaing with bow watching some movie or just focusing on something and letting arrows just fall on ground
but ewen if you dont train it it just came by time itself as while holding arrows in hand you just came to that naturally
I have terible accuracy as I was idiot started shoting without anny teacher without anny literature without thinking and with heavy 60lb longbow
like bigest idiot ewer
so I catch ewery single habit there is but can hit target pretty well
then seen thumbdraw and wooooou with this I can do more crazy stuf I go for it
but still young idiot I dont study it just get first ring they have in shop and start
and get more habits and damaged my thumb by ring for deep hook :/
and then I meet my teacher and start studying after few years created technique that fits me combining turkish and corean
but as habits are easy to get but hard to get rid of I need to focus more on form than aiming
at this moment I train with bow 82 pounds on 30 inches almost 90 on my full draw 32.5 inches that is helping me with form as anny mistake makes me unable to draw :D it is my solution and I hope to get rid of those habits and focus on improving accuracy
but as I go across more techniques and ewery habit possible now I am better teacher than archer and all my stufents shot beautifully :)
so ewery mistake is probably worth something
take it nice and slowly safety first as you read manuals before triing you already taken correct way to success
just focus on technique and dont be me ;)
Do you have any tips on keeping front shoulder down?
Ah, now that's an interesting one since you can't see it when you're shooting you have to feel that. With me (I just looked at some of my footage here again since you mention it and I see it), my shoulder's up there because my posture isn't exactly the best. I'm hunched over a lot daily, and with my 30lb bow it's easier to fall into the habit of not engaging my shoulders *as* much as my 40lb or something. I still use them the way I need to, but if I'm in a rush or something then sometimes it rises up.
The best way I can figure (and this is what I try to do anyway) is remind myself to get my shoulder blades closer together to assist the draw, while pushing the bow and pulling the string simultaneously. I gotta remember to keep my eye out for that too because when you try to put your shoulder blades together that should help. Or *maybe* it has something to do with how the arm is raised, like when you're aiming and trying to even out the elevation
@DerekBartlettBeorn thanks for your response! Ok I will try focusing on bringing my shoulder blades closer together
@@alqubrusia hoy
easiest way to have control over positions of your shoulder is to shot as with heavy bow
dont stand straight with your arms in right angle yo your torso
but draw to position when your arms are little lifted that presure is pushing shoulders to deepest position and dont aim by tilting your bow hand but by tilting whole torso by your hips and knees
also dont drav horizontaly and dont push your bow hand
that is makyng your back unbalanced and rising your shoulders
lift your bow hand up hook your string align shoulders down dont push but relax bow hand then rotate both arms down simulately tighten your shoulder blades side and back musles as you get to full draw then tilt in hips to aim and lose
pushing bow hand is modern think working with light bows but what work with heavy bow is usually more corect to your body
also as you learn to draw thys way you find most natural draw lenght for your body in whych you are basicaly locked and most weight is transfered to your torso and back mussles so you are more relaxed but this is mostly longer than your drawlenght from horizontal draw so be carefull about lenght of arrows