I think Lelouch from the anime Code Geass has that exact 3 redemption moment at the end of that story that you described at the end of the video. Essentially in this story, Lelouch is a lower prince of the British Empire who has been exiled to the colony of Japan to live among the commoners. He becomes entangled in a resistance movement and becomes their ambiguous leader operating under an alias. However, he eventually takes full control of both the resistance movement and eventually the entire empire, but he completely morally bankrupts everything to achieve this goal. It becomes clear that he's doing this to satisfy his own insecurities of being abandoned and exiled by the royal family as a kid, and everyone around him starts to hate him, including his crippled little sister who was the initial pure-hearted justification Lelouch gave to himself for doing all of the shit he does. In the end, he uses everyone's hate towards him by orchestrating his own death. He realizes that everyone despises him, but that everyone was also united in their hatred of him. He convinces his former best friend turned bitter enemy to kill him and to become the hero that everyone can unite under going into the future by sacrificing himself as the ultimate villain. No one knows about this sacrifice other than that former best friend, and Lelouch is remembered in history as a heinous villain. I think that fits under your theoretical ultimate 3 growth moment of ruining one's reputation for the greater good without receiving any praise for it, and it's one of the most powerful endings to a story I've seen. (Btw sry if I fudged any specific details Code Geass fans, it's been a decade since I've seen it lol)
Exactly, I was about to comment on Lelouch being that exact character until I saw your comment, and that ending being considered one of the best of all time in no coincidence, it's the exact peak 3 moment being searched for here.
ngl my autistic ass gets a lot of social revelations out of these videos 😂 your insights on character psychology help me understand characters motives better but also, people in general better. life should come with a handbook for these things 😩
I don't think that Batman has a 3 fixation in The Dark Knight, but interestingly, his arc in that movie ends the way you described a perfect 3 story would end; he performs a selfless act of good (taking responsibility for Harvey's actions) and accepts that people will condemn him for it.
Usually I just use this as a way to improve and flesh out my characters but wtf how the hell are you describing exactly how I live life? I was convinced I was a 1.
Local Script Man, thank you for your enneagram so much, for on thing, it’s improved my life since now I understand myself also, it’s brought me back to writing, I had given up thinking why do this since it was in vain, but now I understand how to do it I love this so much now I spend a long time working on my craft, THANK YOU LOCAL, have a good day
I've been thinking about a story with a 3 protagonist for a while but was struggling with the redemption - this helped massively. Its finally clicked why no options were working before because they were all in some way allowing her to regress and kind of get off scot free.
That cut to Taylor Swift at 7:31 was so good. I was legitimately thinking to myself "this sounds like Taylor Swift" and then BAM. There she is. Legitimately made me laugh out loud.
6:06 I'm so glad to hear you say that, I thought it might have just been a weird thing I was trying to shoehorn into existence when I typed the Attack on Titan characters and like 90% of them were 6's or 8's.
I couldn’t decide whether one of my characters was a type 3 or not, because she has a lot of traits of type 8 externally, but has very low self esteem. I’m writing a post-apocalyptic story, so something that helped me was you saying that type 3s can pursue goals that aren’t typical 3 goals. My character before the apocalypse was very concerned about being popular and liked, especially within romantic relationships, but after the apocalypse switches priorities to taking care of her sister and being the leader of the group . It helped me see that even though she does genuinely want to protect people, she is still trying to validate herself by being a good sibling and a good leader because she feels some survivor’s guilt due to her parents dying, and wants to prove she is worth being alive. And she takes it hard on herself when she messes up or things don’t go well. It’s like she’s validating her type 3 complex through type 8 goals and traits. She has to learn to step down from being the leader sometimes and let others take care of her.
I've done a lot of research on the 3, and I was hoping I didn't miss anything (in this video particularly). I didn't. Especially that 3's have to succeed in a way that personally fits that hole in their heart. Really looking forward to your video on type 2. Its another type I think I know a lot about, but I believe there's a few things that will be clarified for me in someone else's words. Really liking the series!
I'm writing a short story about an enneagram 3 right now, so this video came just in time! I wasn't sure how to end the story, but the video helped out a lot and now I have a few ideas for where the story could go.
Bro I KNOW I've seen that ultimate growth moment you mention at the end, but it is SUPER slipping my mind. This is actually messing with me so bad lmao. I might actually be thinking of historical examples instead of fictional ones.. augh, gonna pour over that all night I guess.
Isn't that kind of what happened with The Boss in Metal Gear? I don't know much about the series, but she's the character who accepted the complete ruination of her reputation in order to prevent nuclear war. I don't know enough about her character to know if she's a 3 though. Based on the quick skim of the Metal Gear wiki, she's probably not.
I guess that's the problem, there are definitely characters who choose to ruin their reputation for the greater good, but none of them are doing it in DEFIANCE of their own inner compulsions. In fact, most of these examples seem to feed into the character's type rather than defy it. A 1 would do it because it's the "right" thing to do (in their mind), a 6 would do it to serve some external entity, a 4 would embrace the drama of it all, etc etc.
The 3 arc you talk about at the end is the arc of Richard Hendricks from Silicon Valley. He spends the whole series trying to build the next big thing in tech and ultimately develops a new Internet that's more efficient than the old one, but after he achieves his goal he realizes that it compromises encryption software. In order to save privacy he has to make his product fail spectacularly on launch so that not only does it not get adopted but also no one tries to recreate his tech because they think it's a dead end. Not only does he have to give up on his dream, he has to become a disgrace
Back then I didn’t watch White Lotus because I didn’t want to pay for the subscription. Now I don’t watch White Lotus because it’s “co-worker TV” and I’m too elite for that.
I think another thing that could really test 3s is the COST OF SUCCESS. Say that the 3 is a hero, well what if the cost of doing the right thing becomes personal? what if it becomes devastating? Or, what if a 3 must do the right thing but doing this right thing makes others hate them and curse them? I call it THE COST OF SUCCESS because not all 3s are good, or heroes, but it serves its purpose. I also like to make a list of all the worst possible things that could happen to a 3, and put them through it, see if they still want what they want, or better yet, if they start to introspect and get to root of WHY they want what they want.
the only example i can think of regarding a character compromising their image for the greater good and never telling anyone the truth would be Ned Stark. not that i think he's a 3 though.
it's so tragic that the final outcome of a 3 is tragedy- hm. Their highest high is to fall down into the ground level, at the mercy of its residents... A tale that must remain dead.... hm.
It’s wild to think Princess Tiana and Pearl are both in this category, but it makes sense, cus they have opposite developments. Tiana works hard, and manages to find a healthy balance between her goals and her own personal fulfillment, and her hard work eventually pays off with a romance and the restaurant of her dreams. Pearl is focused on a goal of being a famous dancer but is fundamentally incapable of having it (mostly because she’s insane, but also because of her income status, dysfunctional home life, and general 30s era sexism) and ends the story miserably accepting her broken dreams and her broken home.
The perfect 3 end happens in attack on titan, as eren does a genocide in order to become the bad guy. By foing that and making his friends kill him they become the good guys and can have a happier life without being discriminated and demonized for simply existing.
Every video I feel like that's my type until the next one drops. Except 4, I couldn't quite understand the 4 type. Gonna have to go back through the videos once the series is done.
Rocky: 9 Creed: 3 Adonis is trying to be like Rocky because he's been fed an incomplete picture of Rocky and has to find out the hard way why they are different.
What’s “coworker tv?” 2:52 Sounds like a criticism, to me. Is it something you only watch so you can talk about it at work with coworkers, around the watercooler? Or like a workplace comedy, as in The Office? Google is giving me no good answers for this term.
It’s ill-defined but I think coworker TV is “something that has mainstream popularity with a lot of people that aren’t similar to you.” Neither you nor your friends like it, but your coworkers might, and they’ll talk to you about it endlessly during your shifts together. This is also probably what “coworker humor” is as well.
Well the way threes typically work is like “that doesn’t matter anyway” like they’ll intellectualize and find a way to justify not even trying. They might resign themselves to a small corner of the world where they can be the best
@@localscriptman That makes sense. I kind of thought I was a 5 or 6, kind of, but after watching you basically describe my entire life more or less, I think I'm definitively a 3. Fuck.
This is a wonderful video! I do have a nagging question---if threes genuinely want to be the "real deal", and prefer it to being a highly-regarded liar or fraud, then how would the ultimate growth movement---sacrificing reputation for the greater good---truly represent growth? Wouldn't any three, regardless of how far into their arc they are, choose to sacrifice their reputation in this case? Why would a three have to grow in order to make this choice?
i felt ungodly angry when goku just let mr. satan have credit for defeating the big bad i don't remember. this video clarified things for me but i'm basically completely certain i'm a 2. none of the videos stood to me as much as your little comments to heart types and 2s
ok so now my question is have i been writing 3’s or have I just been writing me??? anyways amazing video as always hope ur getting better Jesus loves you
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I think Lelouch from the anime Code Geass has that exact 3 redemption moment at the end of that story that you described at the end of the video.
Essentially in this story, Lelouch is a lower prince of the British Empire who has been exiled to the colony of Japan to live among the commoners. He becomes entangled in a resistance movement and becomes their ambiguous leader operating under an alias. However, he eventually takes full control of both the resistance movement and eventually the entire empire, but he completely morally bankrupts everything to achieve this goal. It becomes clear that he's doing this to satisfy his own insecurities of being abandoned and exiled by the royal family as a kid, and everyone around him starts to hate him, including his crippled little sister who was the initial pure-hearted justification Lelouch gave to himself for doing all of the shit he does.
In the end, he uses everyone's hate towards him by orchestrating his own death. He realizes that everyone despises him, but that everyone was also united in their hatred of him. He convinces his former best friend turned bitter enemy to kill him and to become the hero that everyone can unite under going into the future by sacrificing himself as the ultimate villain. No one knows about this sacrifice other than that former best friend, and Lelouch is remembered in history as a heinous villain. I think that fits under your theoretical ultimate 3 growth moment of ruining one's reputation for the greater good without receiving any praise for it, and it's one of the most powerful endings to a story I've seen.
(Btw sry if I fudged any specific details Code Geass fans, it's been a decade since I've seen it lol)
Exactly, I was about to comment on Lelouch being that exact character until I saw your comment, and that ending being considered one of the best of all time in no coincidence, it's the exact peak 3 moment being searched for here.
Wow yeah you nailed it
I thought EXACTLY this immediately
ngl my autistic ass gets a lot of social revelations out of these videos 😂 your insights on character psychology help me understand characters motives better but also, people in general better. life should come with a handbook for these things 😩
WE MADE IT OUTTA THE BOG WITH THIS ONE!
I'm writing a story with a tragic 3 as a deuteragonist, and this video confirmed that I am absolutely nailing it
On the enneagram, Local Script Man’s a perfect 10
I don't think that Batman has a 3 fixation in The Dark Knight, but interestingly, his arc in that movie ends the way you described a perfect 3 story would end; he performs a selfless act of good (taking responsibility for Harvey's actions) and accepts that people will condemn him for it.
such a good point!!
Usually I just use this as a way to improve and flesh out my characters but wtf how the hell are you describing exactly how I live life? I was convinced I was a 1.
Real question what’s your tritype?
The New Sound by Geordie Greep seems to be a heavy 3 story.
I just finished reading “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow” and that book has some fabulous examples of three characters in various stages of health
Every piece of art is a self portrait
Local Script Man, thank you for your enneagram so much, for on thing, it’s improved my life since now I understand myself also, it’s brought me back to writing, I had given up thinking why do this since it was in vain, but now I understand how to do it I love this so much now I spend a long time working on my craft, THANK YOU LOCAL, have a good day
11:47 Mr Script man really looks at Patrick Batmen and goes "I can fix him".
Heyy! Nice to see this. But do take care of yourself, we’ll survive with or without these videos.
That said, i’m very glad to have them!
Now I have no excuses. IT'S WRITING TIME!
holy moly is that a 14 minute LocalScriptMan video! and two of them?! i can die happy now guys
gotta shout out naruto for being one of the few healthy type 3 characters
Damn… I’m not a 3 but the 3 fixation is definitely a visible part of me.
I've been thinking about a story with a 3 protagonist for a while but was struggling with the redemption - this helped massively. Its finally clicked why no options were working before because they were all in some way allowing her to regress and kind of get off scot free.
9:28 bro snuck in my exact type and instinctual variant and thought I wouldnt notice
Itd be me If only it was sx/so😫😫
RANGO MY BELOVED!!! RANGO!!! I LOVE THAT MOVIE… Rango fans were you at??? This made my day 3:10
That cut to Taylor Swift at 7:31 was so good. I was legitimately thinking to myself "this sounds like Taylor Swift" and then BAM. There she is. Legitimately made me laugh out loud.
6:06 I'm so glad to hear you say that, I thought it might have just been a weird thing I was trying to shoehorn into existence when I typed the Attack on Titan characters and like 90% of them were 6's or 8's.
Dang, he actually included a reference to the lines of integration.
I couldn’t decide whether one of my characters was a type 3 or not, because she has a lot of traits of type 8 externally, but has very low self esteem. I’m writing a post-apocalyptic story, so something that helped me was you saying that type 3s can pursue goals that aren’t typical 3 goals. My character before the apocalypse was very concerned about being popular and liked, especially within romantic relationships, but after the apocalypse switches priorities to taking care of her sister and being the leader of the group . It helped me see that even though she does genuinely want to protect people, she is still trying to validate herself by being a good sibling and a good leader because she feels some survivor’s guilt due to her parents dying, and wants to prove she is worth being alive. And she takes it hard on herself when she messes up or things don’t go well. It’s like she’s validating her type 3 complex through type 8 goals and traits. She has to learn to step down from being the leader sometimes and let others take care of her.
I've done a lot of research on the 3, and I was hoping I didn't miss anything (in this video particularly). I didn't.
Especially that 3's have to succeed in a way that personally fits that hole in their heart.
Really looking forward to your video on type 2. Its another type I think I know a lot about, but I believe there's a few things that will be clarified for me in someone else's words.
Really liking the series!
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I'm writing a short story about an enneagram 3 right now, so this video came just in time! I wasn't sure how to end the story, but the video helped out a lot and now I have a few ideas for where the story could go.
Let's Go! Thank you LocalScriptMan!
Bro I KNOW I've seen that ultimate growth moment you mention at the end, but it is SUPER slipping my mind. This is actually messing with me so bad lmao. I might actually be thinking of historical examples instead of fictional ones.. augh, gonna pour over that all night I guess.
Isn't that kind of what happened with The Boss in Metal Gear? I don't know much about the series, but she's the character who accepted the complete ruination of her reputation in order to prevent nuclear war. I don't know enough about her character to know if she's a 3 though. Based on the quick skim of the Metal Gear wiki, she's probably not.
Closest thing I can think of is the dark night rises but Batman is not a three
@@Anienem Considering how Type 6-centric the Metal Gear games are, it's probably safe to assume The Boss is a 6 who's figured her shit out.
Code:Geass ends a little like this, but I’m not sure if Lelouch would be a 3, personally!
I guess that's the problem, there are definitely characters who choose to ruin their reputation for the greater good, but none of them are doing it in DEFIANCE of their own inner compulsions. In fact, most of these examples seem to feed into the character's type rather than defy it. A 1 would do it because it's the "right" thing to do (in their mind), a 6 would do it to serve some external entity, a 4 would embrace the drama of it all, etc etc.
The 3 arc you talk about at the end is the arc of Richard Hendricks from Silicon Valley. He spends the whole series trying to build the next big thing in tech and ultimately develops a new Internet that's more efficient than the old one, but after he achieves his goal he realizes that it compromises encryption software. In order to save privacy he has to make his product fail spectacularly on launch so that not only does it not get adopted but also no one tries to recreate his tech because they think it's a dead end. Not only does he have to give up on his dream, he has to become a disgrace
Thank you for the feast!!! I hope your break was everything you needed and more ^^
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Very lovely video, you and Josh's 3 video really feels understanding of the experience
As a 3 i appreciate it!
Back then I didn’t watch White Lotus because I didn’t want to pay for the subscription. Now I don’t watch White Lotus because it’s “co-worker TV” and I’m too elite for that.
Ah I see, as a 3 the solution was staring me in the face this whole time, I need to quit my job and grind the fortnite battlepass!
I can’t believe I got here early, I so excited for this
LETS GOOOOO, been waiting for this
I hope we get a more detailed explanation of that type 2 superiority complex in the next video because it sounds juicy
you're a better man than me if I was doing an enneagram series I would simply skip my own type and hope no one noticed
Enneagram man is back at it again
13:50 I'm stealing this. Thank you !
I think another thing that could really test 3s is the COST OF SUCCESS. Say that the 3 is a hero, well what if the cost of doing the right thing becomes personal? what if it becomes devastating? Or, what if a 3 must do the right thing but doing this right thing makes others hate them and curse them? I call it THE COST OF SUCCESS because not all 3s are good, or heroes, but it serves its purpose. I also like to make a list of all the worst possible things that could happen to a 3, and put them through it, see if they still want what they want, or better yet, if they start to introspect and get to root of WHY they want what they want.
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brilliant video as usual
Looking forward to the 2 video because you might mean these as writing advice but I'm applying them to myself and I figure I'm *probably* a 2.
The ultimate three redemption sounds like the plot of Wicked. there's a movie coming out soon but i'm still skeptical about its quality
I BEEN WAIT FOR THIS
the only example i can think of regarding a character compromising their image for the greater good and never telling anyone the truth would be Ned Stark. not that i think he's a 3 though.
My 3 ass is so hyped to get roasted oml
it's so tragic that the final outcome of a 3 is tragedy- hm. Their highest high is to fall down into the ground level, at the mercy of its residents... A tale that must remain dead....
hm.
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This is super helpful! Thanks for sharing this!
...I keep thinking about Bakugou 😭 he definitely feels like a 3 character
Okay, so just Ralph from Wreck-it Ralph. Got it.👍
Watch Code Geass (just the series, no movies or anything) and you'll find what you're looking for.
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It’s wild to think Princess Tiana and Pearl are both in this category, but it makes sense, cus they have opposite developments.
Tiana works hard, and manages to find a healthy balance between her goals and her own personal fulfillment, and her hard work eventually pays off with a romance and the restaurant of her dreams.
Pearl is focused on a goal of being a famous dancer but is fundamentally incapable of having it (mostly because she’s insane, but also because of her income status, dysfunctional home life, and general 30s era sexism) and ends the story miserably accepting her broken dreams and her broken home.
Damn is 3 relatable as all can be or do I just empathize with weakness…. Can’t wait for all the videos to do a full self diagnosis
Yess i've been waiting for this one
The perfect 3 end happens in attack on titan, as eren does a genocide in order to become the bad guy. By foing that and making his friends kill him they become the good guys and can have a happier life without being discriminated and demonized for simply existing.
Every video I feel like that's my type until the next one drops. Except 4, I couldn't quite understand the 4 type.
Gonna have to go back through the videos once the series is done.
Rocky: 9
Creed: 3
Adonis is trying to be like Rocky because he's been fed an incomplete picture of Rocky and has to find out the hard way why they are different.
Sigma males are 4's, Alpha males are 3's. Thank you for the knowledge.
thank you local script man. im ready for 2 now. im ready to be hurt.
Damn, I'm accidently writing a three 😂
Nice and educational
Man feel free to take a break no matter how short you allow yourself want it to be
Oh my GOD EVERYONE SHUT UP LOCALSCRIPTMANPOSTED
The more i watch this video, the more i so badly relate to it..
What’s “coworker tv?” 2:52 Sounds like a criticism, to me. Is it something you only watch so you can talk about it at work with coworkers, around the watercooler? Or like a workplace comedy, as in The Office? Google is giving me no good answers for this term.
It’s ill-defined but I think coworker TV is “something that has mainstream popularity with a lot of people that aren’t similar to you.” Neither you nor your friends like it, but your coworkers might, and they’ll talk to you about it endlessly during your shifts together. This is also probably what “coworker humor” is as well.
aside from revenge, what other compulsions do you feel stand on their own narratively that don't fall under any enneagram type?
GANG, WE'RE SO CLOSE TO ENNEGRAM 2‼️‼️‼️ (MY TYPEE)
Talking about 3 characters and NOT mentioning Tar is criminal
Can a 3 be paralyzed by the idea of failure despite wanting to succeed?
Well the way threes typically work is like “that doesn’t matter anyway” like they’ll intellectualize and find a way to justify not even trying. They might resign themselves to a small corner of the world where they can be the best
@@localscriptman That makes sense. I kind of thought I was a 5 or 6, kind of, but after watching you basically describe my entire life more or less, I think I'm definitively a 3.
Fuck.
like i KNEW he would describe me in one of these videos but now im offended
Big happy because new enneagram video came out, but big sad because have to wait for next enneagram video.
From a 1... I think
thank you so much for this series!!!!
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This is a wonderful video! I do have a nagging question---if threes genuinely want to be the "real deal", and prefer it to being a highly-regarded liar or fraud, then how would the ultimate growth movement---sacrificing reputation for the greater good---truly represent growth? Wouldn't any three, regardless of how far into their arc they are, choose to sacrifice their reputation in this case? Why would a three have to grow in order to make this choice?
i felt ungodly angry when goku just let mr. satan have credit for defeating the big bad i don't remember. this video clarified things for me but i'm basically completely certain i'm a 2. none of the videos stood to me as much as your little comments to heart types and 2s
Is Nolan's Batman a 3? He ruins his rep to spare Dent's and the city? Am I off track? Also, thanks, dad.
Is Batman in Chris Nolan's trilogy, the 3 redemption arc? He ruins his reputation for the good of all....
I think no, he’s a one. That’s just an in character choice. But the Batman at the end of Batman Begins would have done that
I agree with Lucas; I think Batman is usually either a 1 or an 8, depending on who's writing him.
I always thought Cristan Cole was a 6 due to his need to be a part of the white cloaks in order to disguise his shame. What makes him a 3 and not a 6?
i already knew ianthe was a three (ha)! but damn, she is *such* a three
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ok so now my question is have i been writing 3’s or have I just been writing me???
anyways amazing video as always hope ur getting better
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Could Don Draper in Mad Men be a redeemed 3 by the end of the show?