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Thank you so much for this, I’m a new rider and recently bought my first bike. I’m starting to get the hang of it a little bit more but I’ve been struggling really bad with turns from a stop. And now that I watched this video I feel a lot more confident in it. Thank you! I’m going to go try it out now haha
If you're in the habit of resting your index and middle fingers on the front brake lever be cautious not to squeeze said lever during the turn. Always interesting and informative, thanks!.
Yup... THAT'S an invitation to "splatville" population you and swelling and neither of you is having fun... haha... It's easier done than you'd think, too. I'm not refuting that... Building the habit of covering the brake is fine and all for reducing reaction times, but when your "knee-jerk" instinct becomes a squeeze, during certain maneuvers it can bite you in the backside... Rather, I prefer to make the conscious decision on braking, relying on a system of Rear then Front then Clutch... as you get more aggressive on the brakes, all the way to a stop. AND at least, so far, it's worked out well for me... Obviously, you do you... I wouldn't change what you already know... BUT if I am asked by a new rider, "Rear, then front then clutch/downshifting" is my preferred method to teach and drill... It's just a good solid habit to get into... AND for those who b*tch about "The front has 80% of the braking power"... Well, I'd rather use 100% of my brakes in an aggressive braking situation... You can gamble (if you like) on 80% doing it... BUT I'd prefer 100 over even 90% if I have a choice in the matter. Maybe I'm weird. ;o)
Good callout. Avoid front brake on slow tight turns. It's amazing how fast one can drop a bike when applying front brake while wheel is turned. Especially if forks are compressed as you slow.
But for proficient riders the finger never leaves the lever. Gyroscpic effect. Dirt bike experience before pavement is very important. Honda makes an XR100. Put your behind on it or another of the like for some time. It's my opinion that if you have not learned to control on the dirt before road you are going to crash hard on hard top not pretty 😢
I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Your left turn must have been for people in the UK, yes? Otherwise, it looks like you would be heading right into on-coming traffic.
England has been driving on the left before the USA was even an actual country. The idea was to keep your right hand free to cross swords with oncoming highwaymen. Or whatever. So I reckon keeping to the right is actually wrong. The Japanese bike makers also seem to agree with the 'correct' side of the road for very similar reasons. Something to do with swords. Crazy Americans, what are you thinking? Only joking by the way, love the channel! Ride safe. Love and peace.
Rear brake. This allows you to give it throttle prior to letting off the clutch. Hills where I am are not that steep and my bike isn't that heavy, so I can do all of that smoothly enough from the front brake, but on steeper hills it is definitely easier to use the rear brake.
Kevin, after watching the video explaining how to stop and that you should only put your left foot down this video seems contradictory. In every exercise here the rider has both feet down. Also, if you only have your left foot down how would you turn and lean to the right in preparation to turn right without falling over? Thanks, Mike
As usual Kevin, very good, basic information that so many of us need further development of this skill. Those tight turns can be hazardous on some backcountry roads so this skill is essential. Love the drone video - really makes things easier to relate from a different viewpoint. Stay cool in that Texas heat.
Not recommended to turn front wheel and then lean into a turn from a dead stop on a bike and rider weighing over 1100lbs. Much better to keep bike straight up foot on rear break, stand bike up with gentle release into friction zone and then begin the turn. Its the way I do it on my Transcontinental.
I noticed on every turn it took a long time for you to pick up your feet. I was taught “as soon” as the bike starts moving, pick up your feet. Curious on your thoughts, thanks.
Part of the reason is on this bike my knees are close to the handlebars when at full lock. I was giving myself time to get the handlebars straightened some to make room for my knees. It is important though that I was not dragging my feet, they were off the ground. If you drag your feet you may get them hung up.
There is a small "roundabout" at the end of my street. I have mastered going straight, and turning right, but turning left seems rather daunting. Can you please do a video on that? It's not necessary to come to a stop at this intersection unless there are vehicles in the circle to which you must yield.
Hello. Would you advise the same technique of turning whilst on a sports bike? Reason I ask is that on my s1000rr the bike tends to lock up when the handle is fully turned towards the right or left and hence I have to counter balance the motorcycle and then complete a sharp stationary turn. Your advise would be really valuable.....
Counter-Steering is the only way you can turn your bike. My advice is sell your bike and get a 400cc ninja or some other lighter, easier bike to handle. So you can learn something before you get to old. Learning to ride on that bike, is like learning to drive a car with a racing car… It is way to hard.
That is only going to be a bad habit that is hard to get rid of later. And make it harder to learn to be better. Do it right the first time, is the way to go. Unlearning is super hard… And I don't see how that is going to make the turn more easy. Think you only going to go even more wide at the end of the turn. Just a small push at the side you want to go… And the bike are going to do the rest.
Technique videos rock. Seeing what to do while hearing how to do it is invaluable. It also provides incentive to get out there... And Ride, baby, RIDE!
I have a habit of turning my head to make sure no car is pulling out of a driveway or coming out of a blind spot last minute while in the middle of a turn. Throws my steady off every time but once I had to avoid one I have trouble not looking every time. May 11th, 1978 (scar is still there) and I still have to look.
Old habits are hard to break, especially when they are associated with a crash or close call. On the road, the last thing I do is check the opposite way...if it is clear it won't change in the 1/4 second before I move out, if it does I did not do a very good job of checking. By turning your head to check mid-turn you are throwing off your balance and disrupting the turn as you mentioned and you are failing to keep your focus on the direction of your travel. By doing this you are probably carrying more risk than the mid-turn check alleviates.
The best way to learn all this is, To train with an enduro or on/ off road bike, in the dirt, or fields, trails for years if possible period!. Not on a street or paved road with a road bike, with cars, trucks present and moving!. Plus the high possibility of major incident/crash, road rash, totaling an expensive $20 K bike, or death!. Iv'e seen and witnessed way too many young people killed with zero experiance, never rode in their short lives before and go out and buy their very first bike and it's a road bike!. My moto.. "Learn in the Dirt First Kids"!!.
Hmmm. I have a few issues with your demonstrated technique. Let me explain. 1) You're starting a motorbike with both feet on the ground. I am wondering why your foot is not on the rear brake to give you a feeling of the bike's balance, and also be able to ease or apply the rear brake. 2) Because you don't have your foot on the rear brake, you are relying totally on clutch and throttle control only. Why not fast idle, friction point, ease rear brake to move off? If the bike becomes unstable, release pressure on rear brake to make the bike stand up. If you need to turn sharper, add rear brake to cause the motorbike to lean more ( causing the turn circle to be sharper).
I always counter-steer. Seen so many people nearly die, because they steer the bike like this. When they give a little to much throttle… because they are a little stressed for missing the green light… And the bike turns to the left instead of right. And they set course for the front of the car coming against them. Meat on aggressive driver, and you are smashed. Then you don't have to lean the bike over also. Only push right, and the bike doing the rest by it self. Don't even have to ting about anything… just like riding a good old horse, that knows where i want to go.
This assumes that you are first at the intersection. Here if you are first and you are waiting right at the intersection, then some other motorcycles will thread the other vehicles and will get in front of you, even if they have to be partly in the intersection, partly blocking the traffic!
This is why we have trials Motorcross ice racing road racing and others to action better motorcycling handling which used to be a category to sign up to for experience and then it got into experienced riding for elite purposes from these groundings Which will be bought back into play with support for the rider The avenues here are very misleading but only if there was a perfect place for swishing or swaying like this Proper teaching experience needs to occur as other vehicles to gain experience comfort within or on AFFA angels never die nffn HMS council
Doing this while trying not to stall is honestly my biggest issue. Idk why. I can make fast turns, slow sharp tuns but starting from a stop and doing it? Stall almost always....
I didn't know Texas is a Commonwealth country? Your incorrect way to make a left turn ended in the correct lane. The correct way would have me going into oncoming traffic.
Considering Americans drive on the right hand side of the road because a French man by the name of Napoleon said so. From the beginning of time the left hand side was the chosen side of the road because a knight would have a free right arm to use his sword. This turning technique is old fashioned. 👎
The stand is on the leftso when you park on the left side of the street the bike leans towards the kerb. Driving on the left is the correct side of the Street. Ask a Kiwi or an Ozzie.
This video prompts people to head into oncoming traffic in the right lane. This technique demo would be more effective if it were shiwn true to north american traffic patterns.
One thing I would add is to get your RPMs fairly high so you have power in reserve. Especially on a larger or heavier cruiser. Just how much of that power you tap into is controlled by the friction zone. But it's immediately there if you need it.
That can be the last ting you do, if you steering your bike like this. And you loose the clutch for some reason. Seen lots of people do this with a little to much throttle. And the bike turns the other way, strait into traffic. Just looking out my window sometimes, on the nearest traffic light, I have seen it twice the last year or two… Almost got run down by the car coming against them. Using counter-steering is much safer, then the bike do the same, now matter how much power you give the bike.
@@Gismo3333 I agree with using countersteering .. however in this case when turning from a stop countersteering does not come into the equation. The bike needs to be already moving with some speed to use countersteering.
@@gregwhite8470 - it is obviously that you just don't know that you do use CS. If you don't use it, the bike will go strait, and not turn at all. CS always work, even when the bike is not moving at all. Keith Code proved this long ago. So you say physics is wrong? Maybe do a little research before you say that someone is wrong. At least on things that can be the difference between life and death. This has been a known fact at least 30-40 years or more.
@@Gismo3333 no need to get testy. We are all entitled to different opinions. My comment is based on the training received from a motor officer. Others also recommend "pre loading" with some extra RPMs to have power in reserve. It's not a new concept. You may want to expand your RUclips research.
@@gregwhite8470 - I don't need to research things I have seen with my own eyes. I trust my self, my eyes and ears, more then I trust a RUclipsrs with the intent of making money. You are calling me out to expand my YT research? I have my own experience, that I tried my self, and know that it work. Who many times have you made it up a hill whit ice on it? I did that every day, two winters in a row. You think you can even come close to me with YT research… You are delusional. - I literary have more experience then you, in my middle finger. And I don't give advise to others, only from what a random research on YT. Only research on YT don't trump real life experience. Tell that to a compete noob… And he rew the bike up to 4000-8000rpm and pop the clutch turning into a road with lots of traffic. That is going to end really well… He probably come back and thank you after.
There's something to add on this tehnique which really helps alot and that's while pointing your head and turning the bike towards the way you wanna go and slightly leaning the bike also, adding a bit of counter balance. Slightly leaning your hip or the mid-low part of your torso to the opposite side which gives more control while leaning the bike in the direction you want to go. The result is also being able to make that turn more narrow, sharper while using the counter balance. Keep that in mind and, of course try it!
Interesting video, Kevin. However, I was taught that starting from a dead stop with the front wheel turned is bad, as the power from the back wheel wants to go straight, and with the front wheel turned, the physics reduces the speed significantly, and, with the bike already leaning or beginning to lean, you don't have enough momentum to keep the bike upright. I know this from personal experience, as I did just that in a hotel parking lot during the middle of a 9 day trip, and ended up with a fractured knee trying to keep the bike from tipping over. I did almost exactly what you demonstated: Full stop, turned the handlebars to full lock, slow release of the clutch and ease on the throttle, and slight lean into the turn. The bike almost immediately started tipping over. What did I do wrong? For added info, it was a 2017 H-D Heritage, and I had a passenger.
This technique requires a commitment from the rider to follow through with enough power to keep the machine upright once it begins moving. The degree of commitment and skill required from the rider increases with the weight of the machine. This technique will minimize the radius of your turn, allowing you to make much tighter turns; it’s great for executing a counterbalanced u-turn; although these techniques aren’t really novice moves, imho. At the end, the video shows a rider perspective of a right turn which was tight enough to line the bike up with the center of the shoulder, afterwards the bike moved left into the lane, which is fine, but...
same applies to sidecars folks (except for the leaning)! and I was in the UK until last week on a trip. Yeah, that tool some getting used to. Start straight, go straight, start right (or left) got right (or left) and don't forget, look where you go, go where you look!
The irony in timing for recommended videos. I just got home from riding. Accidentally left it in second and stalled from the stop sign half way through right turn. Losing all power while leaned over with a passenger will wake you up quickly.
Thanks Kevin, useful info as ever, but did you realise 40% of the world's traffic drives on the left? So we are not alone in the UK. Also why do bikes have the kickstand on the left? Better for us not demounting on the traffic side!
Love the vids. You say lock the turn but we, and you, have lots of blacktop loose gravel on the turns. Right where the low spot is between your road the turn road. You suggestions to dealing with that gravel which will slip that front tire in a slow turn.
When I took the MSF licensing course, I was having trouble with sharp turns from a stop. Not once did the instructor mention turning the handlebars prior to moving. Would’ve been nice to know.
Scary moments anytime I have to accelerate the 1,000# Goldwing with the handlebars locked in either direction. In that stance, he who hesitates is lost (and the bike will drop).
my daughter borrowed my brothers HD dyna, a heavy bike. I told her to start and stop going straight ahead. Don’t turn until you have your feet on the pegs. This was because, being small, there was no way for her to catch the bike if if started to tip over. This requires some planning but almost certainly saved some drops.
Great video Kevin before the busy 4th weekend lot bikes out lot stupid people out, look twice save a life as always if it’s predictable it’s preventable, god bless Kevin and Happy 4th July to you and your family stay safe👍
Great tuition again. In defence of Brits riding on the left. In olden days when Knights travelled around they could get to their swords easier to defend themselves,if they were right handed of course.All the left hand Knights crossed the pond to the U.S. lol .
Yes sir and I was one of them myself. I was really having trouble with something so simple being so hard. So as my wife and I were out and about in the car I tried to watch every biker I heard and you'd be surprised to how many of them were doing it as wrong as I was. It's just that they had made it a bad habit so long I suppose their take off was cleaner than mine. This was a great instructional video!
I just love it when someone from a country that isn't even 250 years old tells people in Britain that we drive on the wrong side of the road, even though we've been driving on the left hand side of the road since at least the first century AD.
Any tips for a tight right turn from a stop on an incline? My driveway has limited visibility, and not only is it not level, the street pavement is several inches higher than the driveway with a brief transition of a foot or so. Without the transition to the pavement, it's still on an incline, so with the motorcycle leaned to the right, it's a little tough to figure out the rear brake so I can throttle without being tipped too far. Being super new to riding, this adds some nervousness, and a couple times (part of the reason I wait for it to be clear both ways) I find myself swinging too wide and a bit into the oncoming lane. I want to cure that. As of now, I have been approaching the end of the driveway at an angle so I can initiate the exit in a straight line, and then I have to turn in the road itself. For this specific scenario, I wish I had a better answer, but the next intersection from there is ... a right turn from a stop on an incline. It is absolutely a repeating scenario.
When I want to turn right from a stop, I turn the handle bar to the left (30-40 degrees). Once you apply power to the rear wheel, the bike will go a little bit to the left and will lean to the right if you allow the handle bar to react on it’s own. If you want to turn left, start with the handle bar pointing right! Try on a parking lot first. Search for videos on the Japanese Police making u-turns and you will see how they do this.
Works on lower Bikes perfect. However, higher Machines need another Skill on Top: Starting only on one foot. Because if the rider is not able to get a good and secure position without both feets, he is not able to lean it before Start.
Thanks Kevin i have learnt so much, 27 year break family etc, you have restored my riding skills , everything and even down to gear changing i.e applying slight pressure before applying the clutch.. Brilliantly helpful
I was taught to find the friction zone and then give some throttle. But at my safety course they switched it up for the road test to give some throttle and then get the friction zone. Which do you think is more efficient?
Either one works. Finding the friction zone without applying power, then throttling up, then applying power through the friction zone can be more consistent for a newbie who isn't confident in where the friction zone is. It's quicker and smoother though to rev up and then get into the friction zone.
Great video! 😺 I found your channel last year because I searched for a turn from a stop video and one you had done a while back popped up. Good to have a new one on the subject. Thanks for all the great content! I make mention of you and all your followers in my prayers each day 🙏 Prayers for safe rides! 🏍
New rider here. In my practice of right turn from stop, I learned that if I don’t push right, I will straighten up and go in the next lane (in spite of handlebars turned right and head and eyes being where I want to go.) Didn’t they teach in BRC that counter steering only came into play over 15 mph. That is confusing me. Thoughts appreciated.
Countersteering works at all speeds on a two wheeled vehicle. What countersteering actually means may trip some people up though. Without overcomplicating, in *this* scenario you are starting with the bars already turned into the turn and the bike leaned. At this point only throttle control is needed to control the bike. At full lock once you get the speed high enough the bike will stand up.
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Thank you so much for this, I’m a new rider and recently bought my first bike. I’m starting to get the hang of it a little bit more but I’ve been struggling really bad with turns from a stop. And now that I watched this video I feel a lot more confident in it. Thank you! I’m going to go try it out now haha
If you're in the habit of resting your index and middle fingers on the front brake lever be cautious not to squeeze said lever during the turn. Always interesting and informative, thanks!.
This is true especially for new riders. One of the reason why the MSF does not advocate covering the brake for new riders.
Yup... THAT'S an invitation to "splatville" population you and swelling and neither of you is having fun... haha...
It's easier done than you'd think, too. I'm not refuting that... Building the habit of covering the brake is fine and all for reducing reaction times, but when your "knee-jerk" instinct becomes a squeeze, during certain maneuvers it can bite you in the backside...
Rather, I prefer to make the conscious decision on braking, relying on a system of Rear then Front then Clutch... as you get more aggressive on the brakes, all the way to a stop.
AND at least, so far, it's worked out well for me... Obviously, you do you... I wouldn't change what you already know...
BUT if I am asked by a new rider, "Rear, then front then clutch/downshifting" is my preferred method to teach and drill... It's just a good solid habit to get into...
AND for those who b*tch about "The front has 80% of the braking power"... Well, I'd rather use 100% of my brakes in an aggressive braking situation... You can gamble (if you like) on 80% doing it... BUT I'd prefer 100 over even 90% if I have a choice in the matter.
Maybe I'm weird. ;o)
Good callout. Avoid front brake on slow tight turns. It's amazing how fast one can drop a bike when applying front brake while wheel is turned. Especially if forks are compressed as you slow.
But for proficient riders the finger never leaves the lever.
Gyroscpic effect.
Dirt bike experience before pavement is very important. Honda makes an XR100. Put your behind on it or another of the like for some time. It's my opinion that if you have not learned to control on the dirt before road you are going to crash hard on hard top not pretty 😢
Thanks man!
I learned that the hard way.
And didn't know for a long time what happened.
But hey. I did learn.
I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Your left turn must have been for people in the UK, yes? Otherwise, it looks like you would be heading right into on-coming traffic.
Watched it 3 times, he must have had the video reversed is all can figure!
I get to start every ride with a 90 degree turn from a stop just to point out of the driveway. Great practice.
England has been driving on the left before the USA was even an actual country.
The idea was to keep your right hand free to cross swords with oncoming highwaymen. Or whatever.
So I reckon keeping to the right is actually wrong.
The Japanese bike makers also seem to agree with the 'correct' side of the road for very similar reasons. Something to do with swords.
Crazy Americans, what are you thinking?
Only joking by the way, love the channel!
Ride safe. Love and peace.
Perfect timing of this video! I was just thinking about practicing this the other day! Thank you for the amazing content every week!
Any tips for turning to the right from a stop while on an uphill incline? Which brake should I use to prevent from rolling backwards down the hill?
Rear brake. This allows you to give it throttle prior to letting off the clutch. Hills where I am are not that steep and my bike isn't that heavy, so I can do all of that smoothly enough from the front brake, but on steeper hills it is definitely easier to use the rear brake.
Kevin, after watching the video explaining how to stop and that you should only put your left foot down this video seems contradictory. In every exercise here the rider has both feet down. Also, if you only have your left foot down how would you turn and lean to the right in preparation to turn right without falling over? Thanks, Mike
Good stuff to know. Almost every ride for every rider is going to start with this type of turn, Keep the good stuff coming buddy.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
As usual Kevin, very good, basic information that so many of us need further development of this skill. Those tight turns can be hazardous on some backcountry roads so this skill is essential. Love the drone video - really makes things easier to relate from a different viewpoint. Stay cool in that Texas heat.
Not recommended to turn front wheel and then lean into a turn from a dead stop on a bike and rider weighing over 1100lbs. Much better to keep bike straight up foot on rear break, stand bike up with gentle release into friction zone and then begin the turn. Its the way I do it on my Transcontinental.
Most new riders drop the bike every ingle time because they jack knife the bike and instantly drops
Solid advise as always. Nice practical tips given to practice. Many thanks.
I noticed on every turn it took a long time for you to pick up your feet. I was taught “as soon” as the bike starts moving, pick up your feet. Curious on your thoughts, thanks.
Part of the reason is on this bike my knees are close to the handlebars when at full lock. I was giving myself time to get the handlebars straightened some to make room for my knees. It is important though that I was not dragging my feet, they were off the ground. If you drag your feet you may get them hung up.
There is a small "roundabout" at the end of my street. I have mastered going straight, and turning right, but turning left seems rather daunting. Can you please do a video on that? It's not necessary to come to a stop at this intersection unless there are vehicles in the circle to which you must yield.
Hello. Would you advise the same technique of turning whilst on a sports bike? Reason I ask is that on my s1000rr the bike tends to lock up when the handle is fully turned towards the right or left and hence I have to counter balance the motorcycle and then complete a sharp stationary turn. Your advise would be really valuable.....
Counter-Steering is the only way you can turn your bike.
My advice is sell your bike and get a 400cc ninja or some other lighter, easier bike to handle. So you can learn something before you get to old.
Learning to ride on that bike, is like learning to drive a car with a racing car… It is way to hard.
Final look over the shoulder in UK before moving off ...or you fail your driving test. Confuses the direction of course.
Most of the time you can point the bike in the direction of the turn before you come to a complete stop. Then it is only a 60 degree or less turn.
That is only going to be a bad habit that is hard to get rid of later. And make it harder to learn to be better. Do it right the first time, is the way to go. Unlearning is super hard…
And I don't see how that is going to make the turn more easy. Think you only going to go even more wide at the end of the turn.
Just a small push at the side you want to go… And the bike are going to do the rest.
This was the hardest part of my MSF course. Once I got the head turn thing figured out, it was much better.
Technique videos rock. Seeing what to do while hearing how to do it is invaluable. It also provides incentive to get out there... And Ride, baby, RIDE!
I have a habit of turning my head to make sure no car is pulling out of a driveway or coming out of a blind spot last minute while in the middle of a turn. Throws my steady off every time but once I had to avoid one I have trouble not looking every time. May 11th, 1978 (scar is still there) and I still have to look.
Old habits are hard to break, especially when they are associated with a crash or close call. On the road, the last thing I do is check the opposite way...if it is clear it won't change in the 1/4 second before I move out, if it does I did not do a very good job of checking.
By turning your head to check mid-turn you are throwing off your balance and disrupting the turn as you mentioned and you are failing to keep your focus on the direction of your travel. By doing this you are probably carrying more risk than the mid-turn check alleviates.
@@MCrider I'll have to work on that. Thanks!
The best way to learn all this is, To train with an enduro or on/ off road bike, in the dirt, or fields, trails for years if possible period!. Not on a street or paved road with a road bike, with cars, trucks present and moving!. Plus the high possibility of major incident/crash, road rash, totaling an expensive $20 K bike, or death!. Iv'e seen and witnessed way too many young people killed with zero experiance, never rode in their short lives before and go out and buy their very first bike and it's a road bike!. My moto.. "Learn in the Dirt First Kids"!!.
Hmmm.
I have a few issues with your demonstrated technique. Let me explain.
1) You're starting a motorbike with both feet on the ground. I am wondering why your foot is not on the rear brake to give you a feeling of the bike's balance, and also be able to ease or apply the rear brake.
2) Because you don't have your foot on the rear brake, you are relying totally on clutch and throttle control only.
Why not fast idle, friction point, ease rear brake to move off? If the bike becomes unstable, release pressure on rear brake to make the bike stand up. If you need to turn sharper, add rear brake to cause the motorbike to lean more ( causing the turn circle to be sharper).
Happy Friday Kevin always enjoy your content very informative take care my friend and have a blessed weekend!!
Thanks 👍
Been riding over fifty years, always something to learn. I presume minus the clutch play, the same principles go for DCT?
I always counter-steer. Seen so many people nearly die, because they steer the bike like this. When they give a little to much throttle… because they are a little stressed for missing the green light… And the bike turns to the left instead of right. And they set course for the front of the car coming against them. Meat on aggressive driver, and you are smashed. Then you don't have to lean the bike over also. Only push right, and the bike doing the rest by it self. Don't even have to ting about anything… just like riding a good old horse, that knows where i want to go.
1. Rev to 4K RPMs.
2. Dump clutch.
3. Flip off bystanders.
This assumes that you are first at the intersection. Here if you are first and you are waiting right at the intersection, then some other motorcycles will thread the other vehicles and will get in front of you, even if they have to be partly in the intersection, partly blocking the traffic!
This is why we have trials Motorcross ice racing road racing and others to action better motorcycling handling which used to be a category to sign up to for experience and then it got into experienced riding for elite purposes from these groundings
Which will be bought back into play with support for the rider
The avenues here are very misleading but only if there was a perfect place for swishing or swaying like this
Proper teaching experience needs to occur as other vehicles to gain experience comfort within or on
AFFA angels never die nffn HMS council
You want me to do whaaaaaa?!
Doing this while trying not to stall is honestly my biggest issue. Idk why. I can make fast turns, slow sharp tuns but starting from a stop and doing it? Stall almost always....
I didn't know Texas is a Commonwealth country? Your incorrect way to make a left turn ended in the correct lane. The correct way would have me going into oncoming traffic.
does this same technique apply to sport bikes?
I have a zx6r and struggle not to swing wide on takeoff
The UK having horses, carriages and roman roads since forever.
Some American: You guys ride on the wrong side of the road!
xD
Considering Americans drive on the right hand side of the road because a French man by the name of Napoleon said so. From the beginning of time the left hand side was the chosen side of the road because a knight would have a free right arm to use his sword. This turning technique is old fashioned. 👎
You didn't learn the technique by watching this video. I like that. Practice Practice Practice.
When you know you will be turning from a stop, stop at a slight angle in the direction you will be turning. Why not give yourself an edge
The stand is on the leftso when you park on the left side of the street the bike leans towards the kerb. Driving on the left is the correct side of the Street. Ask a Kiwi or an Ozzie.
This video prompts people to head into oncoming traffic in the right lane.
This technique demo would be more effective if it were shiwn true to north american traffic patterns.
I wish there was a course besides MSF I could find that would do more individualized training.
One thing I would add is to get your RPMs fairly high so you have power in reserve. Especially on a larger or heavier cruiser. Just how much of that power you tap into is controlled by the friction zone. But it's immediately there if you need it.
That can be the last ting you do, if you steering your bike like this. And you loose the clutch for some reason. Seen lots of people do this with a little to much throttle. And the bike turns the other way, strait into traffic. Just looking out my window sometimes, on the nearest traffic light, I have seen it twice the last year or two… Almost got run down by the car coming against them. Using counter-steering is much safer, then the bike do the same, now matter how much power you give the bike.
@@Gismo3333 I agree with using countersteering .. however in this case when turning from a stop countersteering does not come into the equation. The bike needs to be already moving with some speed to use countersteering.
@@gregwhite8470 - it is obviously that you just don't know that you do use CS. If you don't use it, the bike will go strait, and not turn at all.
CS always work, even when the bike is not moving at all. Keith Code proved this long ago. So you say physics is wrong?
Maybe do a little research before you say that someone is wrong. At least on things that can be the difference between life and death. This has been a known fact at least 30-40 years or more.
@@Gismo3333 no need to get testy. We are all entitled to different opinions. My comment is based on the training received from a motor officer. Others also recommend "pre loading" with some extra RPMs to have power in reserve. It's not a new concept. You may want to expand your RUclips research.
@@gregwhite8470 - I don't need to research things I have seen with my own eyes. I trust my self, my eyes and ears, more then I trust a RUclipsrs with the intent of making money.
You are calling me out to expand my YT research?
I have my own experience, that I tried my self, and know that it work.
Who many times have you made it up a hill whit ice on it?
I did that every day, two winters in a row. You think you can even come close to me with YT research… You are delusional.
- I literary have more experience then you, in my middle finger.
And I don't give advise to others, only from what a random research on YT.
Only research on YT don't trump real life experience.
Tell that to a compete noob… And he rew the bike up to 4000-8000rpm and pop the clutch turning into a road with lots of traffic. That is going to end really well… He probably come back and thank you after.
If you’re starting off with the wheel turned be sure not to stall the bike.
If you do there’s a good chance the bike is going down.
Wait. When did you get the speed master. Please review that motor cycle.
Thanks
Allowing that your right foot is on the peg, leaning the bike slightly for a right turn would be difficult?
Do you lean into the turn or lean away from the turn? I’m thinking lean away from the turn then straighten up right?
Thanks i got a 3 hour ride back to vermont and i havent ever rode a motorcycle ive rode a dirt bike praying i dont become road kill😅😢
Thanks for the video very helpful. Which bike is that, its quite nice 👍
There's something to add on this tehnique which really helps alot and that's while pointing your head and turning the bike towards the way you wanna go and slightly leaning the bike also, adding a bit of counter balance. Slightly leaning your hip or the mid-low part of your torso to the opposite side which gives more control while leaning the bike in the direction you want to go. The result is also being able to make that turn more narrow, sharper while using the counter balance. Keep that in mind and, of course try it!
Great point.
100%! And dragging the rear brake slightly, to keep the wheelbase of the bike longer and stabilize it a bit.
If you have total clutch control then there is never a need for rear break
@@wayneevans8484 that is the most false statement on this entire video comment thread. 😂
When turning left on a two lane road, you turn into the far land, not the closest, unless you are in England.
You do this in Michigan when a business is closed and the cops will confront you.
Err no, it's you guy's who ride on the 'wrong side of the road' we did it long before you were thought of 😊
Interesting video, Kevin. However, I was taught that starting from a dead stop with the front wheel turned is bad, as the power from the back wheel wants to go straight, and with the front wheel turned, the physics reduces the speed significantly, and, with the bike already leaning or beginning to lean, you don't have enough momentum to keep the bike upright. I know this from personal experience, as I did just that in a hotel parking lot during the middle of a 9 day trip, and ended up with a fractured knee trying to keep the bike from tipping over. I did almost exactly what you demonstated: Full stop, turned the handlebars to full lock, slow release of the clutch and ease on the throttle, and slight lean into the turn. The bike almost immediately started tipping over. What did I do wrong? For added info, it was a 2017 H-D Heritage, and I had a passenger.
Maybe not enough throttle. Another suggestion is to practice with a passenger
Practice first in a straight line as shown in the video. Probably not enough momentum caused your drop. This is an important skill to develop. 👍🏻
This technique requires a commitment from the rider to follow through with enough power to keep the machine upright once it begins moving. The degree of commitment and skill required from the rider increases with the weight of the machine.
This technique will minimize the radius of your turn, allowing you to make much tighter turns; it’s great for executing a counterbalanced u-turn; although these techniques aren’t really novice moves, imho.
At the end, the video shows a rider perspective of a right turn which was tight enough to line the bike up with the center of the shoulder, afterwards the bike moved left into the lane, which is fine, but...
same applies to sidecars folks (except for the leaning)! and I was in the UK until last week on a trip. Yeah, that tool some getting used to.
Start straight, go straight, start right (or left) got right (or left) and don't forget, look where you go, go where you look!
The irony in timing for recommended videos. I just got home from riding. Accidentally left it in second and stalled from the stop sign half way through right turn. Losing all power while leaned over with a passenger will wake you up quickly.
Thanks Kevin, useful info as ever, but did you realise 40% of the world's traffic drives on the left? So we are not alone in the UK. Also why do bikes have the kickstand on the left? Better for us not demounting on the traffic side!
Love the vids. You say lock the turn but we, and you, have lots of blacktop loose gravel on the turns. Right where the low spot is between your road the turn road. You suggestions to dealing with that gravel which will slip that front tire in a slow turn.
When I took the MSF licensing course, I was having trouble with sharp turns from a stop. Not once did the instructor mention turning the handlebars prior to moving. Would’ve been nice to know.
You should also lean your body in the opposite direction to the bike.
Good fundamentals and every rider should practice. Beautiful Speedy, BTW.
We ride in the correct f so use of the road. We can draw our swords whilst riding.
Totally unrelated observation: I dig the wide whites on that beautiful Triumph, Kevin!! What year?
Scary moments anytime I have to accelerate the 1,000# Goldwing with the handlebars locked in either direction. In that stance, he who hesitates is lost (and the bike will drop).
Ha ha England was there before the us lol. Use just did it to rebell lol
my daughter borrowed my brothers HD dyna, a heavy bike. I told her to start and stop going straight ahead. Don’t turn until you have your feet on the pegs. This was because, being small, there was no way for her to catch the bike if if started to tip over. This requires some planning but almost certainly saved some drops.
Great video Kevin before the busy 4th weekend lot bikes out lot stupid people out, look twice save a life as always if it’s predictable it’s preventable, god bless Kevin and Happy 4th July to you and your family stay safe👍
Great tuition again. In defence of Brits riding on the left. In olden days when Knights travelled around they could get to their swords easier to defend themselves,if they were right handed of course.All the left hand Knights crossed the pond to the U.S. lol .
Thanks for making and posting this video. Very helpful to me. How about a video on stopping and starting on a hill?
Good topic , I see sooo many riders struggle with this
Yes sir and I was one of them myself. I was really having trouble with something so simple being so hard. So as my wife and I were out and about in the car I tried to watch every biker I heard and you'd be surprised to how many of them were doing it as wrong as I was. It's just that they had made it a bad habit so long I suppose their take off was cleaner than mine. This was a great instructional video!
I just love it when someone from a country that isn't even 250 years old tells people in Britain that we drive on the wrong side of the road, even though we've been driving on the left hand side of the road since at least the first century AD.
Any tips for a tight right turn from a stop on an incline? My driveway has limited visibility, and not only is it not level, the street pavement is several inches higher than the driveway with a brief transition of a foot or so. Without the transition to the pavement, it's still on an incline, so with the motorcycle leaned to the right, it's a little tough to figure out the rear brake so I can throttle without being tipped too far. Being super new to riding, this adds some nervousness, and a couple times (part of the reason I wait for it to be clear both ways) I find myself swinging too wide and a bit into the oncoming lane. I want to cure that.
As of now, I have been approaching the end of the driveway at an angle so I can initiate the exit in a straight line, and then I have to turn in the road itself. For this specific scenario, I wish I had a better answer, but the next intersection from there is ... a right turn from a stop on an incline. It is absolutely a repeating scenario.
what if you have loose gravel under you and into the corner?
When I want to turn right from a stop, I turn the handle bar to the left (30-40 degrees). Once you apply power to the rear wheel, the bike will go a little bit to the left and will lean to the right if you allow the handle bar to react on it’s own. If you want to turn left, start with the handle bar pointing right! Try on a parking lot first. Search for videos on the Japanese Police making u-turns and you will see how they do this.
Works on lower Bikes perfect. However, higher Machines need another Skill on Top: Starting only on one foot. Because if the rider is not able to get a good and secure position without both feets, he is not able to lean it before Start.
Thanks for reenforcing ,,eyes steer the bike…..
A DCT version might be helpful for some
Thank you so much! Great video, very helpful information!!
MATE there is no wrong side of the street ! it depends where you are !
Thank you sir. This was the one thing I failed during my MSF test. forgot to turn my head, forgot to turn the bars and lean in.
Thanks Kevin i have learnt so much, 27 year break family etc, you have restored my riding skills , everything and even down to gear changing i.e applying slight pressure before applying the clutch.. Brilliantly helpful
Slight pressure where ?
@@themalaailaanaa1347the shifter
I was taught to find the friction zone and then give some throttle. But at my safety course they switched it up for the road test to give some throttle and then get the friction zone. Which do you think is more efficient?
Either one works. Finding the friction zone without applying power, then throttling up, then applying power through the friction zone can be more consistent for a newbie who isn't confident in where the friction zone is. It's quicker and smoother though to rev up and then get into the friction zone.
How do you move away quickly from a dead stop?
Thank you, tried it and it does turn easily. For now I turn confidently. 👌👍👍👍
That's not how you make a left turn
Thanks Kevin, I look forward to Friday morning schooling.
Did you not say some time ago that when stopped you should have the motorcycle in a straight line to avoid dropping the bike?
This will help me because my turns get wide at times and it's so frustrating, watching this I see my mistakes.
Excellent ideas, thank you sir ❤
Thanks.
Thanks! Just passed my endorsement exam
I will be practicing this maneuver today. Thanks for the info!!!
Good exercise to add into my parking lot motorcycle exercises. Several times a week.
I’m sure someone has already asked this, what about uneven terrain?
Great video! 😺 I found your channel last year because I searched for a turn from a stop video and one you had done a while back popped up. Good to have a new one on the subject. Thanks for all the great content! I make mention of you and all your followers in my prayers each day 🙏 Prayers for safe rides! 🏍
Are those Lee Parks Sumo Gloves? I'm about to buy a pair myself.
Yes
www.MCrider.com/sumo
Practising this both ways is essential in the north of the UK as a lot of roads (that are fun, most B Roads) are single track.
Excellent video. So many of us "space out" and forget to focus.
EXCELLENT demo!! Thank you. I also just bought a 2022 Triumph Speedmaster.
New rider here. In my practice of right turn from stop, I learned that if I don’t push right, I will straighten up and go in the next lane (in spite of handlebars turned right and head and eyes being where I want to go.) Didn’t they teach in BRC that counter steering only came into play over 15 mph. That is confusing me. Thoughts appreciated.
Countersteering works at all speeds on a two wheeled vehicle. What countersteering actually means may trip some people up though. Without overcomplicating, in *this* scenario you are starting with the bars already turned into the turn and the bike leaned. At this point only throttle control is needed to control the bike. At full lock once you get the speed high enough the bike will stand up.
Thank you for these tips 👍🏽✌🏽💋😊