One thing that I'd love to point out here is that, if you've figured out that you ended up with more bike than you could handle the first time, there's no shame in buying a smaller one! My husband purchased for me a beautiful H-D Sportster 1200... I'd had a little riding experience, but not much and not in many years. I practiced and practiced and practiced, with and without an instructor... And finally got pretty good on the slow-speed maneuvers. But I just couldn't grow my confidence out on the actual road, at speed. So, I bought for myself a beautiful little 250 Rebel and started riding it everywhere. I quickly found that my confidence grew because the Rebel was so light and easy to handle. I kept practicing the slow-speed stuff with both bikes. A couple months later, getting on my Sportster, I was a thousand times more confident on the road because I was so much more capable! I'm still not 100% where I want to be with riding; but because I invested in the smaller one, it has increased the pleasure I now get from the bigger one. Riding the Rebel has alleviated my worries about dropping the Harley, so now that niggling worry isn't at the back of my mind when I ride her. That single thing alone was worth every penny of my little Rebel.
I did the exact same thing. I love my Rebel it has been a blast learning on it. I still only ride my Sportster when my hubby can go along with me. I've had the Rebel for about 8 months now. I plan to keep it for many years!
Similar situation here too! My husband is a backyard hobby mechanic and built me an older Sportster 883 to learn on, but I was so intimidated by the size and weight that I haven't ridden it yet. Instead, I bought a Rebel 250 for a first bike and absolutely loved riding that all around town last summer. Once I have my license I will try the Sporty.
Hubs was very encouraging when I wanted to learn to ride, he wanted me to learn on something small and work my way up. Bought a Rebel, put 1500 miles on it in 2 months, traded it for a Shadow and got most of my cash back. I love that you saw an issue and worked with a smaller bike to gain the confidence for your larger bike.
After 4 years on lighter bikes (525lbs to 250lbs), I’m now on a Harley Road Glide. 930lbs of heavy beast. It’s a new learning curve. I can’t imagine people starting on something this huge.
I’m in the same boat as I went from a SG to an Ultra Limited and found that I felt like I was starting over again. However I have a parking lot that I use to practice and I’m getting better but I have a long way to go to where I want to be.
@@jonskowitz I just bought a c50t and I feel super thrown off as I’ve only rode friends 600cc street bikes here and there over the years and dirt bikes when I was younger. 600 sport bike was like second nature, but this c50 has thrown me for a loop. I’ve only ridden a few times, watching a few videos on slow speed maneuvers has made me a lot more comfortable, busted some u turns on my street today at T’s in the street. Getting better at slow speed stuff riding around the neighborhood.
Just got a Honda vtx1800. I've been riding dirt bikes and small sport bikes for about 8 years on and off but this bike is its own new beast!!! Back to practicing for a couple days
I started with smaller Japanese bikes, i.e. 250cc, 400cc, 650cc, 1100cc, then moved to a much heavier HD 1450cc. I decided to take an experienced riders class. I had been riding for many years. I believe the instruction I received probably saved my life at least 3 times. At this class they taught me how to make the heavier bike do things I never thought possible. I advocate taking a motorcycle safety training class.
I had experience on motorcycles and yet when I got my Suzuki M90 it intimidated me. Even though you face your fears and get on it and go. So for me I took full advantage of the lockdown we had in 2020. For over 3 months I was able to practice on my riding and that even includes training in any parking lot I wanted to. Kevin because of your teaching I was able to avoid a wreck in my car last night by using my road skills you taught me. THANK YOU
I have been a RiderCoach for 16 years. Worked with a lot of other coaches. I cringe every time the other coach would say something like "Buy the biggest baddest bike you can afford" or "They all weigh the same when rolling". These are the same coaches who have to ride the trainer bike in the BRC2 because they can't do a u-turn on their own big bad bike. My advice if asked "Buy small, used and pre-scratched. Ride it for a year and sell it. Then buy your dream bike" True story. Had 2 female co-workers who took the BRC together. Lady C purchased a new Sportster deluxe. Lady E bought a used Vulcan 500. Fast forward one year. Lady C drops her bike very often and is afraid of it. Her skill level has not improved at all. She considers giving up riding. Lady E's skills have gone up immensely . She buys her brand new FXDX and is very happy. Lady C reluctantly tries the 500, loves how easy it is to handle, and buys it. Rides it for a year and finally is comfortable on the Sporty. She had stunted her learning ability by being on too big a bike.
I agree. When I took my training to become a Total Control instructor, I rode the little bikes provided and it was very easy to pass the course on the 250cc bikes. One morning before class began, I went to the range and rode the course on my LT just as though I was talking the final test. I was able to ride the course to standard on my LT, but I admit that the cone weave was much more challenging given that the fairing blocks a lot of visibility forward as was the slow 90 degree turn. I was able to stay within the lines, but the LT is much more challenging to turn a tight 90 on than is a 250cc Yamaha. I am not saying that instructors should have to take the test on their street bike as I believe it is important for an instructor to be proficient on the same bikes they will use to demonstrate exercises to students, but it is good to have the ability to ride your own bike to the same performance standards required to pass the instructor course.
I'd be the first one to admit that buying my BMW as my "first" bike in over four decades was a BIG mistake... Initially. But I was humble enough and not as ego driven as my younger-dummer daze and I realized I needed training. Kevin and MCrider has been an integral part of my further training (along with a couple of big parking lots and one-on-one training) I've scheduled another training session for later this month. KEVIN! YOU HAVE MY ETERNAL GRATITUDE!
"Buy small, used and pre-scratched. Ride it for a year and sell it." Now there's good advice. It makes me cringe to see the videos discussing if a 600 sport bike or even a litre bike is a suitable first bike. Well, maybe there are folks who can learn fast enough to handle it, but there are others that'll get bitten really bad by a bike that can loop a wheelie, lowside in a corner or throw you over the handlebars if you're just a bit heavy on the controls. Small bikes are actually really fun to ride and a lot more forgiving of mistakes.
*_So grateful for these videos !_* At 65, as a re-entry rider, I value the ability to practice technique and don't mind tossing a few bucks away on the inevitable trade-UP from the smaller bike. In fact, I look forward to losing a few grand on that trade if it means being accident-free, confident and having learned good solid skills to use on my dream ride. _( I learned on a Goldwing and I would never recommend doing that unless you have a very strong back, full drop guards and at least have heard about the concept of "push steering"! I have no idea how I survived it.)_
Thanks Kevin. The importance of mastering the basics can not be over emphasized. I start every ride with a 90 degree turn from a stop to get out of my driveway, then as often as possible, head to an empty parking lot for 10 to 15 minutes of warmup.
I’ve had 14 bikes over the past 50 + years of riding with a 50 cc Honda being the starting point. At 66 I ride a BMW K1600B and have never had an accident. I fully agree that starting with a smaller is much safer for new riders and will allow them to learn techniques much faster. I think we can learn a lot from our UK friends with their A2 requirement for new riders.
Never had an off 🤔. Riders learn from practice and that experience gains the knowledge. If you never come off you don't discover the limit of the differing road surfaces and conditions. I had to come back through France in biblical rain a few years back, to make the ferry. Switched to rain mode mentally and it was fine, because I had ability in these conditions, from riding in all weathers. I remember going from a 50cc to a 200 and then a 250 and was amazed, it handled and it stopped and it had more road presence so the car drivers didn't pull out in front of me quite so much,and if they did I had better brakes.
@@MCrider I agree that we have enough laws and regulations in place already, but I am surprised that insurance rates haven’t been used to drive more training for new riders. Generally, any discounts offered for training are miniscule at best.
Great advise. I made the mistake of getting a heavy expensive bike for my first bike and for all the reasons you mentioned in this video I’ve struggled with technique ever since. I still practice in parking lots though.
I been riding for years. Now riding an Ultra Classic. Rear brake stop is the best tip I ever received. Practicing the stop n go has completely changed my riding for the better. Thanks Kevin!
Wisdom right here. I rode a Honda750 my last year in college, but sold it in 1972. Did not ride again for about 46 years. Then I went to training class, got certified to ride on two wheels, and bought a Honda VTX 1800 and rode it at age 69. BIG MISTAKE! But I am still riding bigger bikes ( Moto Guzzi California 1400). Am thinking of going with an Indian, as they sit lower and have a lower center of gravity. But will still stay with larger bikes (I think). Will watch your videos to be a better and safer rider. What a blessing your videos provide! I cannot imagine the number of lives you are saving.
As a new rider on a 600lb bike, one thing that someone taught me about always making a perfect stop and leaning slightly to the left so I can just put my left foot down is to just look left just before you come to a full stop. Easy to remember since it's the same principle as looking where you want to turn.
At 68 I decided to ride again, after almost 40 years. I've purchased an 84 GL1200 basket case to rebuild and am looking forward to learning how to handle it. So glad I found this channel.
Hi Kevin, a simple Kiwi here from New Zealand. When I first got interested in riding, I started watching alot of your videos. They have helped me tremedously, alot of your tips and explainations on simple and advanced riding skills has done the world for me and my own confidence in riding. Thank you, God Bless and keep up the amazing work! Kia Kaha ( That means "Stay Strong" in my native tongue)
When I was 17 my first bike was a 50cc (3 cui), 80 kg moped with big bike controls and a manual gearbox. The best learner ever. Now I ride a 1750cc 300 kg HD.
Been riding for 50 years. I still am not the greatest at slow speeds on my SuperGlide. I know, I need the practice. By the way. For those that may read this please hit the like button. After all, this is if not the best it's one of the best how to motorcycle channels on RUclips. I don't know Kevin and he doesn't know me but he sure has helped me and my motorcycle riding family. Smash the like button! Please?
I started on a 140kg Honda cb125e, then went to a 180kg Suzuki gs500, now I ride a 280kg Yamaha xvs1100, though it's not as heavy as the "heavy" bikes it was certainly something to get used to after coming from the Suzuki, I couldn't imagine how terrifying it would be jumping on a full fledged cruiser or tourer as a first bike P.S love your videos Kevin I always look forward to them, cheers from the other side of the world
Kevin, I switched to a Goldwing DCT this past year. This is my 4th Goldwing over 24 years. The cornering and U-turns took the longest to to get comfortable with. No Clutch resistance to use! I used some of your previous videos to get my confidence and comfort level up. Trusting the DCT shifting took some real time practicing. I have full trust in the shifting now but I still will practice U-turns every few months. Memory muscle!
@@wflentge Hey Wayne - on the DCT, does combining a drag of the rear brake and the throttle give you a controlled friction at low speeds ....like clutch and rear brake? Just curious.
@@cyclechillers1857 I have not tried this in a Cone Practice, but I guess I will. On the street, I feel it does provide me with a bit more control at slow speed.
Made the mistake of getting a "large" bike (BMW F800GS) after being off a motorcycle for decades! About the only advantages I had going in were having driven a manual transmission for YEARS and riding a bicycle. I am eternally grateful for all your videos Kevin. By practicing what I've learned from MC Rider, getting instruction and putting my "ego" aside, I've become a much more skilled and confident rider. No mean feat when riding in San Francisco! And yeah... I'm also glad my Beemer had crash bars mounted when I got it!
@@sarag1158 Meh... Not as bad as you might think. But I definitely needed to take my time and practice, practice PRACTICE! Interesting when you think about it though, SF has a LOT of diverse traffic and terrain within the city limits IE; complex intersections, rail lines, high(er) speed roadways, short but nonetheless challenging "twisties," steel grate bridges. And then you've got the hills (I'm thinking Filmore up from Fisherman's Wharf? WHEW!) So... You can get a "dose" of just about anything you might run across wherever you ride all within SF city limits. You DEFINITELY need to be focused when riding in SF!
Excellent video Kevin. Thank you for always sharing your knowledge. I was a very sloppy rider on a 650 for 8 years. When I went up to a biker bike it was horrible and I almost quit. Thankfully a friend told me about your resources, I traded my big bike in for a Scout and started from scratch practicing your skills every week. Two years and 16k miles later and lots of road trips, I feel confident and happy. Your videos save lives, including mine. Thank you
I started riding a dirt bike in my teens, a Yamaha 125cc. While in military, I bought a Yamaha 250cc enduro so I can ride to work and track on weekend. Then, I went to Honda CB 750 nighthawk in 1982(?). Quit riding until 2010, when we bought a Honda VTX 1300R. Eventually ended up with 2005 Goldwing and now on our 2nd 2007 Goldwing. Have not dropped the Goldwing...still trying to practice and manage U-turns on this bike. Getting better but, still not tight enough, especially with my wife out back...little more "brave" riding solo.😁
Being a returning rider after being off a bike for 22 years, I opted for the bigger bike and went with a Honda VTX 1800. Definitely has a larger learning curve. But thanks to content providers like yourself, I was able to pick up lots of information that helped me smooth out my technique and flatten that learning curve. Your braking video and stop and go were very helpful as well. I also struggled with right turns from a stop. This is why I remain a patreon supporter. I found lots of good info in the forums. I even bought some cones for the exercises. Although I need to get my butt in the parking lot and practice.
Just started riding again. Got a CB500x. These videos are priceless. I Just re-learned counter-steering.....I had forgotten, among other things.....and always learn something new. Thanks so much MC.
I bought my first bike before my first MSF class. It was a 2002 Vulcan 1500 Classic. I knew I probably made a mistake with that after my first class, but it all worked out in the end.
I own and love a BMW r1200rt... I have progressed from a learner on a 250cc to 650cc to the above over 26 years in the saddle. I can't applaud this enough on its accuracy. Nail the fundamentals and each journey on ones ride becomes second nature, no matter what the size. Safe journeys 🙏
I got back into riding in 2018. Bought my 1st ever Harley (Fat Bob FXFBS). I had no problems with this bike for the first fours years riding it. But now at age 72 I decided to down size. I bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro October 2023. This bike is so much more manageable for me.
Mr. Zacher after 30 yrs of non riding at 68yrs old I purchased a Vulcan 900 Classic. I'm 5'7" small frame with a left ankle fused. That motorcycle was awesome except I had no muscle to handle the weight etc. I sold it and bought a 05 V star 650 classic which is better suited. I'm now installing 7" risers with 1" pullback to relax and raise my arms. At 69 soon to be 70 I hope to master skills yet I don't intend to ever bigger. Thanks for your comment
Thanks for the reminder for big bike riding. I have a 1998 goldwing 980lb. Last thing I want is a napping bike😀. God bless, Kevin, keep up the good work.
If I'd started out on a bigger bike, I'd have missed out on the joy that a small sweet handling and agile bike brings. Having done the whole big bike thing, I sold my litre bike and bought an R3. I find it much more fun to ride on the road than a bigger bike, as I can use the whole of the engine and go up and down through the gears, whilst still riding in a safe and legal way.
Great info! I rented a streetglide last summer for an 8 day family ride around Lake Michigan. Even though I knew better I made the mistake of backing down the driveway and when the rear wheel went up on the street I had no footing and me and the bike fell on my left shoulder. Completely blew out my left rota-tor cuff. That was June and in November I got a complete reverse shoulder replacement. I did make the trip just in my van and not on the Streetglide. The other 7 riders were happy to unload their extra bags into my van. I was anger with me for months because I knew better!!
Another good video Kevin. Ty. Minus 9 C here in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 now. No riding for a while. But one can always practice mentally. Best wishes. Happy New Year.
I'm a 50 year old man who has always wanted a Harley Davidson. Being a father of two sons and a husband I put all my wants aside for obvious reasons. My sons are grown and my wife is happy to make me happy so I ended up buying a HD Road Gliide ultra . I have never ridden a bike so taking the safety course through HD was a must . I'm a 6'4" 280 pound man and catching me on anything smaller than what I bought was never going to happen . I take riding my bike extremely seriously, I understand it only takes a second to mess up big time . I am still very new to riding but feel like this experience was surly worth the wait . Can a new rider ride a big bike , yes . I always keep in mined my reaction in case of an emergency is not where I need to be so I do my best to learn my bike and never get to confident. Take care bud . Thanks for sharing. Big Mex
i started on a heavy bike and powerful as well; take it slow start in subdivision if you have it my bike has never been down but the Road Glide is a heavy bike no question also be careful with the slow descent harley kickstand (i never cared for that also never liked where they put the oil filter) other than that good bike
@@sean8470 I've already put just under 700 miles since I've bought it . I thought I was careful when avoiding oil at the pump , trying to keep my tires from going over oil. When I pulled away my right boot had oil on it and slipped at the stop sign. It took all of my strength not to drop it. The bike is very heavy no doubt about that. Thank you for commenting and for your welcomed advice. Pete
@@petedetects7012 well done saving the drop I had a close call pulling into in laws gravel driveway was able to save the drop thankfully caught it early
@@sean8470 i have a question, my bike has front and rear drop guards. If I deliberately drop it to practice picking it up. Do the drop guards really prevent all damages from occurring.
Q: How long do you have to train your braking techniques on a big bike? A: You have to train braking techniques until you mastered the technique of changing your brake pads! - That´s what my driving instructor told me. :D
Thanks Mcrider I bought a Honda VTR 250 a year ago and practice my skills on a carpark often. I bought my Harley a month ago and transferred my skills without to much issues, but I know that being consistent with my slow riding skills base is the key for me where I will develop my skills as a better safe rider...
Hey Kevin, understand your philosophy about starting on a smaller bike, but most people cannot afford to buy 3 or 4 bikes just so they can feel comfortable as they progress. I think you buy what you want, but understand you will have to dedicate time to practice! If you buy a big boy, put the drop guards on the bag and engine protectors and you will be fine!! BUT PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!! Also, buy a good used big bike, there are plenty out there. I can say this because my first ride is a 2005 Electra Glide, and I practice!! Thanks for your expertise, knowledge, and time Kevin dedicated to helping us new guys out! By the way, I am a 58 year young noobie! Never think you are too old guys!! It's just a number, and you have to do things a little different, that's all!!
I don't totally disagree with your comment, some riders can handle a larger bike from the start. but, I still stand by the best practice for the vast majority of riders is to start smaller. It is not a matter of "can I afford it". If a rider buys a used small bike and practices they can put a few thousand miles on it and become a MUCH better rider than the rider who is on a larger bike. Smaller bikes are easier to learn on and more forgiving of mistakes. That same smaller used bike can then be sold to the next rider for about what was paid for it...I have owned and sold several small bikes and either broke even or made a little money on the sale a year later. A rider who does this for the first year and dedicates time to practice will be a much better rider than the one who starts on a big bike and struggles to practice...plus they are afraid to drop their dream bike. I think if we are really honest with ourselves it is much more about pride than finances. No one wants to go to a bike night on a Honda Rebel...but it is more embarrassing to drop your Road King in front of the crowd than to ride in quietly on your Rebel. ;)
I have a 2000 HD Heritage Classic. I always put both feet down. I usually/ almost always use the front brake when at the end of a stop to hold the bike in one place while I put 2 feet down to balance the MC. I've never seen anybody just use their rear brake or put down just 1 foot. Thanks for your videos, I enjoy them and pass them on.
So true! My Street Triple was so forgiving in comparison to my S1000RR. I am having to unlearn covering the front brake as my instinct is to use it when I should be using the rear and the bite is so much more on the RR with the weight balance being not a lot of room for error.
I was watching a video on a competing RUclips channel about people who've in some cases ridden for several years, but haven't learned to turn their Harley's around in an acceptable space and with even a modicum of control.. I fail to understand how you can want to be that rider; lacking basic control of a vehicle large and heavy enough to not only hurt yourself but others around you as well would completely ruin the fun for me. The advice to start a little more humble; in both speed and weight is probably the best advice possible. Should 16 year-old's drive a Lamborghini? I think not. By the same token, a Goldwing or big Harley is too much for the inexperienced. Added to which, Harley's are usually not set up for ultimate control, but comfort and style; a bad beginner choice! Thx for the common-sense videos and keep 'em comin'!!
Very valid points there. I started riding when I was 17. That was a 100 CC lightweight Honda. I rode it for 4 years and graduated to a bigger 180 CC bike. I rode it until I was 27. And then I stopped riding altogether for 10 years. And then I came back, bought a 750 CC Honda Shadow. The size and weight of it looked intimidating, but as I started to drive, my old memories came back into my hands, my feet and my brain. I am going to stick to this bike for sometime and only when I am fully accustomed to it, think of going bigger. My passion has also changed camps, earlier from sport based bikes now to cruisers by the way :-)
A few years back, maybe 4, I went for my motorcycle license, I used your videos as a massive learning guide to riding, Ive been off a motorbike for 1 and a half now, so I am getting myself refreshed, hoping to be on a 2015 softail shortly, came from a yamaha mt07, I feel guilty to say the abs saved me more than once, so I KNOW I need to be prepared to be better, I will need to change the way I rode on that smaller bike.
Like my chief in the USCG used to say, "it's physics dipsh1t"! 😁😎 I went from a yz125 in 1978 to a Honda 700 shadow to a Honda vt1100 shadow, and now I'm on a Honda vtx1300c just recently .. Gradual increase over the years👍 commuting everyday helped a lot. Always learning
I've been riding motorcycles for about fifty years. I'm now on my sixth bike. The fifth bike was a Kawasaki Versys 650 which weighed about 500 lbs, which I rode for about five years. Last summer I purchased a Kawasaki Concours 14, which weights about 700 lbs. So far, I've dropped the Connie three times, always at zero speed. The first time was backing the bike down a ramp off a trailer. At that time the fairings were off so there was little damage. I did learn that I couldn't pick the bike back up, I had to use an engine hoist to get it upright. Subsequently, I installed crash bars. The next few times I dropped it because I didn't have enough revs when I let out the clutch and the engine died when i was expecting to go forward. Fortunately, with the crash bars the only slight damage was to replaceable pads on the bars and the bars also kept the bike from going completely over on its side such that I can lift the bike back up. That has given me a little more confidence about riding it. My main challenge now is to practice tight low speed turns. Once the bike is out of mothballs this spring I'm going to take it to a nearby empty parking lot and practice as i have seen demonstrated on this channel and others.
I agree completely. I used to work at a Harley dealership. It was quite common to have a big burly veteran rider come in with hIs gal that was looking for her first bike. Often they Had just finished the rider edge course on the street fighter ( not a bad first bike either ) and I would show them what I consider good new rider friendly bikes. The smaller sportster, forty -eight were just about right. Most of the gust would push bigger such as the low rider and the deluxe “ so they would “ grow into it “ These are still over 100 lbs heavier at least. Some pushed for the various glides. If they pushed I would put them on a glide and ask them to duck walk it. It was exceedingly rare that they could go 10 feel without being close to dropping it. That would scare the gal and she would then lean to the smaller bikes. It’s a fable that Harley salespersons love to sell sportsters as they always get them back when they get them back when they go to a bigger bike. That’s partly true that some will come in for a bigger bike. More often if they got the bike that was too big, they could not handle it and sold it off and went back to a pillion ride
Thank You Kevin. Great advice to all. Using only the rear brake, at speeds below 15 mph, to stop and applying the rear brake during slow speed maneuvers, while in the friction zone, is like having someone next to you holding the bike up. This works particularly well while riding my big heavy Road King. Another thing I noticed is turning the handlebars when the bike is stopped or barely moving takes considerably more strength than a lighter bike. This becomes a big factor if you find yourself almost stopped and the handlebars are turned and you go to straighten them to keep the bike from going down. It would be very cool if you developed a drill for such a situation, although I anticipate your response will be to practice stopping with the bars straight and practice starting out with the bars turned. Ride Safe
I started on a Harley sportster,thank God there's a church parking lot out where I once lived, plus I took a msf class and watched a lot of Mc rider and etc, myself I really like Mc rider the best, just your a rider and can really break things down,bless you for educated all of us out here 👍
Thank you Kevin. I started on a Honda Shadow 1100. Now ride a Roadstar 1700. I'm 5'6" and 150 lbs....but practice and technique have made me comfortable to ride
Hello I a mitchell muise From newfoundland .canada. You motor man n fast Eddie. Are the best. Great how to ride motorcycle. I leaned n ride .the drill. Made me a better rider Thank you all. Keep up the great work
I have a SGS H-D and my XS650 Been riding that XS for 48 yrs. The Harley is a rolling couch. The XS650 is still my favorite. As I get older I’m enjoying the smaller light weight bikes more. I also have a Ural w/sidecar. That’s like driving a tractor that can go sixty. Totally different riding experience. Anyone who tells you driving a sidecar is easier than a regular. motorcycle most likely never drove a sidecar rig. A rig can bite you hard if you don’t develop those techniques to sidecars.
I ride a Yamaha Royal Star tour deluxe, they are big heavy bikes (854 lbs, and with my 226 lbs on it 1000 plus) but I love big heavy bikes. I started out years ago learning on an HD Sportster 25 years ago. Now, big touring cruisers like what I have are the only way to go. I will never go small I'm 52 and I like my backrest, footboard, full windshield, etc. all the creature comforts.
I am a reentry rider as well. 63. been riding lighter bikes off and on for over 40 years Started with a nice 2005 sportster and bought a nice 2008 electra glide ultra. Real glad I restarted on the sportster. This man is dead on with the techneak Miss spelled. Started to have trouble in a turn around and quickly rear brake lightly and clutch throttled it and she came right back up before the Heavy lay over. Info is very important. Thank you sir.
Thank you for these videos! They really are helpful, sometimes to reassure me that I'm doing something right, and others to point out faults. I bought a Vulcan for my first bike and it's not crazy heavy, but it's not light either. What really helped me build more confidence was doing my MSF course. The Navy mandates that I do the MSF course, but I planned to anyways. I did it using their bike, which was a yamaha vstar250 and it was such a tiny little bike that was amazing to build skills on. I'm not a good rider yet, probably somewhere in the mediocre range, but it helped build alot of confidence because it is such an easy bike to handle. I would suggest everyone do a motorcycle safety course, you always have something to learn!
I am thinking of upgrading from my first street bike and this video has convinced me to hold on to my 750 Shadow instead of selling her. I can't think of a better reason for two bikes than to start the season on a smaller and easier to handle 750 and then move up to whatever I decide to buy as an upgrade once I feel comfortable again, I live in Canada and have to take at least 5-6 months off a year. I like the Shadow style but I'm a big guy and she revs out pretty high on the highway so I'm thinking probably a 1300 or 1800 VTX, . I'm under 5 years experience so It also seems like a smart idea to treat every season like my first and ease into it. Thank you very much for giving me this great excuse/reason for a second bike.
I sure appreciate this video... and all that you have to share. Ironically, the techniques you teach have helped me not only with a heavier(900lb) bike, but with taller bikes. Taller bikes are my limitation. Stopping with only one leg down allows me to still ride taller bikes. In addition, I am considering a Russell Day Long seat because your technique allows me to reach the ground in a safe manner. Hope you are still enjoying that seat?! Love your sense of humor - keep up the good work!
Thx Stu... I still really like the Russell seat. One of the most comfortable seats I have used, right up there with the Police seat on the Road King I used to have.
Any tips? I had a street 750 but only for 2 weeks so not much training, I just now got a harley custom chopper style and I think its around 700lb compared to 400lb
I just got a Triumph Bonneville T120 to keep my Roadking company..I find the Triumph so much enjoyable to hope on and ride..525lb vs 800lb. But of course I still love my Roadking!
I am a re-entry rider, after a 30 year hiatus ... just bought a new *Road King* after taking the Harley basic course. I know that this will be a *project* with alot of parking-lot-training before I am close to being competent on it. First thing i bought were *Drop Guard Protectors* because I am fixin to get down, _seriously,_ with slow maneuver training.
Even if you start on something smaller, one day you will be on a big bike. You are right Kevin. Basic fundamentals are something we all need to work on.
I agree. I started on a 400cc bike, had it about 18 months then moved up to a 750. Had that for many years now ride an 07 VTX 1300 retro. I really like the floorboards and low seat height. I'm at the point in life where both my bike and I are built for comfort and not for speed! 😉
I've been riding a Suzuki C50T Boulevard for the better part of a year now and, wanting a better highway bike I picked up a Honda VTX1300 yesterday. Talk about a night-and-day experience! I'm very glad I didn't trade in my Suzi as part of the deal because I am going to want to spend a lot of time in parking lots learning how to get that beast to corner before I make it my daily driver. ...Besides, my son wants the Suzi :D Going over to watch your training vids to build a training regiment for myself right now. Thank you for all you do for us!
My advice is also to purchase a used bike. I can tell my Harley 1200 sportster is much heaver then my Honda 250 rebel. Even when I'm moving it in the driveway not running it can be a challenge. From you video I have been breaking wrong and training wrong all along. I usually hit both breaks and when I start out from a start I didn't have the wheel turned. I will do it your way from now on. Thanks for the advice.
This is why I traded in my ST1300 at 69. It was 780 pounds of top heavy bike and with my limited inseam I was having trouble with stops, especially when stopping at lights with a crossing grade. Now I have a 2015 Goldwing that a.) Sits low enough to get both feet down and b.) Carries its weight lower to the ground. The BMW K75 I had before the St1300 was even more top heavy. It pays to check how you fit that bike you’re looking to buy.
I think you've just convinced me to hang on to my Softail Deluxe a little longer. I first started riding over 20 years ago and just last year did the MSF course which taught me a lot of great technique. I've laid down thousands of miles of mountain riding (West and East Coast) on Road Kings, Heritage, and the Deluxe. I'm wanting to move up to a Goldwing, but now I'm thinking I need to do the advanced courses on the Deluxe and then make the move to the Goldwing. Thanks for the great videos and instruction.
I ride a Maxi-Scooter, but my dream has always been to have a full fledged motorcycle (maybe someday). All of the few riders I've known are big on the idea that a new rider should go straight for what they would want instead of gradually moving up step by step. The reason I prefer their way of thinking is, for one thing MONEY. The average person isn't made out of money to be buying two or more bikes to eventually get to that "ONE." That combined with what you probably haven't stopped hearing, "Why buy below what your heart desires so that you get bored with what you got? Which then diminishes the enjoyment of the riding experience." Admittedly, it may not be wise, but that is where I find I lean on that matter. My taking up the Maxi was because of practical reasons. I needed something other than bicycles because of my current health, and after four years of saving, it was still looking like I would never be able to afford a motorcycle I would fully appreciate over the long haul. So I took what money I did save and went after a scooter. Ending up with better in THAT arena than I was expecting or even hoping for put me in a very happy place about the choice I ultimately made. I still dream of moving up to a full fledged motorcycle, just not as urgently. I sure won't refuse the opportunity, but if that opportunity never comes, THe maxi-scooter I have has been great enough that at least now I could live with that... if I must. I appreciate what you do in these vids. I'm in South Carolina and on the maxi (Yamaha XMAX 300), I have ridden to thirteen of however many southern states... not all in the same ride, of course, but for me it's a lifetime achievement. Peace.
So I started out on a Honda Rebel 250 back in 2018. Never took courses, just watched videos and practiced as I went. I had that bike until 2020, although after my buddy dumped it it never ran right, and that was at the end of 2018. So for the summer of '18 and some of '19 I was practicing (albeit on a now-crappy bike). I didn't ride for a lot of '19 because it would die when I rode it and I lacked the mechanical skill to fix it beyond basic repairs. And I rode it maybe a few times in 2020. Now just a few weeks ago I bought a Harley Road King Classic, feeling like I've got the fundamentals down. I've been taking it slow. Being sure to watch plenty videos, I'm signed up for a Harley class in July. It's been going pretty good actually. I feel like I'm more capable on this bike than the Rebel (maybe it's because I think I'm cooler now lol). But I've had one run-in recently that scared the bejeebus out of me. I'm in a downtown area in rural-ish WI. 25 mph limit. I'm approaching a hill -- maybe 20-35 degree incline -- where I need to turn left midway up it. I ended up needing to wait for a car to pass to turn when I wasn't expecting a car to come out. As I stopped, I think I "micro-panicked" and tried slowing down quickly with my front brake. The bike started falling to the left but there were cars behind me and cars stopped on my left waiting for me to go and I wasn't about to look like an idiot/hold up traffic. I used all of my strength to pull it back up and straighten the wheel, and did a less-than-stellar takeoff. It's been a bit of a shot to my confidence the past couple of days and now I'm always thinking about not tipping over. Do you have any specific uphill stopping techniques or any clues as to what I could have done better?
Brief outline only, In Australia we have a power to weight ratio for learner & provisional riders with a two stage provisional licencing system, & mandatory riding courses & testing before proceeding to the next level it takes a couple of years before you can get an open licence which allows you to ride any size motorcycle. Its a real PITA when your younger but if you want a open bike licence here you have to earn it, I like it that way I believe its made me a better rider than I otherwise would have been.
Just started riding at 52, got a sportster. One of my neighbors, who’s in his 70s now, came over to tell me his motorcycle story. He started riding on a Honda Goldwing. Problem is he only had one ride. He spent the next 2 months in the hospital after they were barely able to even save his life! I don’t remember exactly how he explained the crash but he was just pulling out of the neighborhood and onto the main road when he got too much throttle and ended up head on with a truck! He almost died. The truck driver was fine btw. He never rode again, understandably. Thing is, if he had started on an appropriate beginner size motorcycle and gradually worked his way up to the Goldwing, he could have had years of enjoyment as a rider and avoided so much in the process.
I had my beautiful Heritage for just over 5 years and dropped it twice. Last month I traded it for a Street Glide. There's a whole different dynamic in going from a cruiser to a touring bike. BUT, even though I'm not perfectly comfortable with it just yet, I'm looking forward to my upcoming vacation next week where I'm going to ride roughly 1100+ miles to my 45th Anniversary class reunion so I should feel much better about my new bike and I'm pretty excited about it. Does it weigh more than my Heritage? Sure does. Is it faster? Yup. Is it more comfortable? Sure is. I can hardly wait.... AND, I'm 63 and a half years old 😂😂😂
Haven’t ridden for 25yrs. Just bought a zzr1100. A bit nervous but I’ll just ease into it, bit by bit. Edit: I used to Chuck these big bikes around like it was nothing. I’m hoping it’ll be like a duck to water. Cautiously confident.
Great video. Took the MSF course on a Honda Rebel, been riding a Kawasaki Eliminator 125cc for a couple years but now, I realize it struggles with highways. Looking into a '94 goldwing 1500. Will be quite a change and the test ride was awesome. That is absolutely true with the technique and keeping good balance stopping and going. I may not be a gymnast but I ride a one wheel called a solowheel which has also helped me gain that critical balance that has to be pretty much flawless to keep in control of such a device. But for motorcycle riding technique the kawasaki has provided that.
Started on a Honda 350 years ago and stepped up several times until I got a goldwing and was very surprised on how nimble and easy it was, I contribute that to starting small and years of riding
Amen brother. I have a HD Ultra Class just under 1000 lbs. I'm 30 years on 26 motorcycles and have been formally trained and the big bike is always as handful... If you stop with front brake and the wheel turned... It's going down..
I jumped from 50cc to 1400cc straight. I experienced that big cruiser is all about learning from mistakes and facing all fears. I'm still glad that i choose to jump on heavy cruiser immediately but if you have zero experience from motorized bikes, listen what this man have to say. Otherwise it's all about learning to handle weight.
I got back to riding after 35 years and picked a VTX 1300c. Well it's around 700lbs. Took a little getting used to but now after a year it no problem...but it did take a bit..I was cautious and it has been fine.
One thing that I'd love to point out here is that, if you've figured out that you ended up with more bike than you could handle the first time, there's no shame in buying a smaller one! My husband purchased for me a beautiful H-D Sportster 1200... I'd had a little riding experience, but not much and not in many years. I practiced and practiced and practiced, with and without an instructor... And finally got pretty good on the slow-speed maneuvers. But I just couldn't grow my confidence out on the actual road, at speed. So, I bought for myself a beautiful little 250 Rebel and started riding it everywhere. I quickly found that my confidence grew because the Rebel was so light and easy to handle. I kept practicing the slow-speed stuff with both bikes. A couple months later, getting on my Sportster, I was a thousand times more confident on the road because I was so much more capable! I'm still not 100% where I want to be with riding; but because I invested in the smaller one, it has increased the pleasure I now get from the bigger one. Riding the Rebel has alleviated my worries about dropping the Harley, so now that niggling worry isn't at the back of my mind when I ride her. That single thing alone was worth every penny of my little Rebel.
Great post Tracy, thanks for sharing.
I did the exact same thing. I love my Rebel it has been a blast learning on it. I still only ride my Sportster when my hubby can go along with me. I've had the Rebel for about 8 months now. I plan to keep it for many years!
The single cylinder Suzuki 650 S40 or Savage is also a good starter bike.
Similar situation here too! My husband is a backyard hobby mechanic and built me an older Sportster 883 to learn on, but I was so intimidated by the size and weight that I haven't ridden it yet. Instead, I bought a Rebel 250 for a first bike and absolutely loved riding that all around town last summer. Once I have my license I will try the Sporty.
Hubs was very encouraging when I wanted to learn to ride, he wanted me to learn on something small and work my way up. Bought a Rebel, put 1500 miles on it in 2 months, traded it for a Shadow and got most of my cash back. I love that you saw an issue and worked with a smaller bike to gain the confidence for your larger bike.
After 4 years on lighter bikes (525lbs to 250lbs), I’m now on a Harley Road Glide. 930lbs of heavy beast. It’s a new learning curve. I can’t imagine people starting on something this huge.
I’m in the same boat as I went from a SG to an Ultra Limited and found that I felt like I was starting over again. However I have a parking lot that I use to practice and I’m getting better but I have a long way to go to where I want to be.
In the same boat; I was feeling pretty confident on my C50T but getting my VTX1300C has me feeling like I'm starting all over again. XD
@@jonskowitz I just bought a c50t and I feel super thrown off as I’ve only rode friends 600cc street bikes here and there over the years and dirt bikes when I was younger. 600 sport bike was like second nature, but this c50 has thrown me for a loop. I’ve only ridden a few times, watching a few videos on slow speed maneuvers has made me a lot more comfortable, busted some u turns on my street today at T’s in the street. Getting better at slow speed stuff riding around the neighborhood.
Just got a Honda vtx1800.
I've been riding dirt bikes and small sport bikes for about 8 years on and off but this bike is its own new beast!!!
Back to practicing for a couple days
@@joshuamurdock6386 cruisers are so different, it’s crazy.
I started with smaller Japanese bikes, i.e. 250cc, 400cc, 650cc, 1100cc, then moved to a much heavier HD 1450cc. I decided to take an experienced riders class. I had been riding for many years. I believe the instruction I received probably saved my life at least 3 times. At this class they taught me how to make the heavier bike do things I never thought possible. I advocate taking a motorcycle safety training class.
I had experience on motorcycles and yet when I got my Suzuki M90 it intimidated me. Even though you face your fears and get on it and go. So for me I took full advantage of the lockdown we had in 2020. For over 3 months I was able to practice on my riding and that even includes training in any parking lot I wanted to. Kevin because of your teaching I was able to avoid a wreck in my car last night by using my road skills you taught me. THANK YOU
I have been a RiderCoach for 16 years. Worked with a lot of other coaches. I cringe every time the other coach would say something like "Buy the biggest baddest bike you can afford" or "They all weigh the same when rolling". These are the same coaches who have to ride the trainer bike in the BRC2 because they can't do a u-turn on their own big bad bike.
My advice if asked "Buy small, used and pre-scratched. Ride it for a year and sell it. Then buy your dream bike"
True story. Had 2 female co-workers who took the BRC together. Lady C purchased a new Sportster deluxe. Lady E bought a used Vulcan 500. Fast forward one year. Lady C drops her bike very often and is afraid of it. Her skill level has not improved at all. She considers giving up riding. Lady E's skills have gone up immensely . She buys her brand new FXDX and is very happy. Lady C reluctantly tries the 500, loves how easy it is to handle, and buys it. Rides it for a year and finally is comfortable on the Sporty. She had stunted her learning ability by being on too big a bike.
Great post....I have seen it too.
I agree. When I took my training to become a Total Control instructor, I rode the little bikes provided and it was very easy to pass the course on the 250cc bikes. One morning before class began, I went to the range and rode the course on my LT just as though I was talking the final test. I was able to ride the course to standard on my LT, but I admit that the cone weave was much more challenging given that the fairing blocks a lot of visibility forward as was the slow 90 degree turn. I was able to stay within the lines, but the LT is much more challenging to turn a tight 90 on than is a 250cc Yamaha. I am not saying that instructors should have to take the test on their street bike as I believe it is important for an instructor to be proficient on the same bikes they will use to demonstrate exercises to students, but it is good to have the ability to ride your own bike to the same performance standards required to pass the instructor course.
Any coach who encourages new rider to quote..buy the biggest and baddest bike etc...shouldn’t be a coach.
I'd be the first one to admit that buying my BMW as my "first" bike in over four decades was a BIG mistake... Initially. But I was humble enough and not as ego driven as my younger-dummer daze and I realized I needed training. Kevin and MCrider has been an integral part of my further training (along with a couple of big parking lots and one-on-one training) I've scheduled another training session for later this month. KEVIN! YOU HAVE MY ETERNAL GRATITUDE!
"Buy small, used and pre-scratched. Ride it for a year and sell it." Now there's good advice. It makes me cringe to see the videos discussing if a 600 sport bike or even a litre bike is a suitable first bike. Well, maybe there are folks who can learn fast enough to handle it, but there are others that'll get bitten really bad by a bike that can loop a wheelie, lowside in a corner or throw you over the handlebars if you're just a bit heavy on the controls. Small bikes are actually really fun to ride and a lot more forgiving of mistakes.
*_So grateful for these videos !_* At 65, as a re-entry rider, I value the ability to practice technique and don't mind tossing a few bucks away on the inevitable trade-UP from the smaller bike. In fact, I look forward to losing a few grand on that trade if it means being accident-free, confident and having learned good solid skills to use on my dream ride. _( I learned on a Goldwing and I would never recommend doing that unless you have a very strong back, full drop guards and at least have heard about the concept of "push steering"! I have no idea how I survived it.)_
Thanks Kevin. The importance of mastering the basics can not be over emphasized. I start every ride with a 90 degree turn from a stop to get out of my driveway, then as often as possible, head to an empty parking lot for 10 to 15 minutes of warmup.
I’ve had 14 bikes over the past 50 + years of riding with a 50 cc Honda being the starting point. At 66 I ride a BMW K1600B and have never had an accident. I fully agree that starting with a smaller is much safer for new riders and will allow them to learn techniques much faster. I think we can learn a lot from our UK friends with their A2 requirement for new riders.
I would hate to see it mandated but I don't disagree with the strategy.
Never had an off 🤔. Riders learn from practice and that experience gains the knowledge. If you never come off you don't discover the limit of the differing road surfaces and conditions. I had to come back through France in biblical rain a few years back, to make the ferry. Switched to rain mode mentally and it was fine, because I had ability in these conditions, from riding in all weathers. I remember going from a 50cc to a 200 and then a 250 and was amazed, it handled and it stopped and it had more road presence so the car drivers didn't pull out in front of me quite so much,and if they did I had better brakes.
@@MCrider I agree that we have enough laws and regulations in place already, but I am surprised that insurance rates haven’t been used to drive more training for new riders. Generally, any discounts offered for training are miniscule at best.
@@LTVoyager probably because it doesn’t make that much of a difference.
@@g496r500t What doesn’t make much of a difference? Your comment is vague.
I started on a 100 cc street/dirt bike a Hodaka Road Toad. Riding in the dirt entirely away from cars is an excellent way to get into riding.
Great advise. I made the mistake of getting a heavy expensive bike for my first bike and for all the reasons you mentioned in this video I’ve struggled with technique ever since. I still practice in parking lots though.
You can get there with dedicated practice and time. It just takes longer and increases risk on a larger motorcycle.
50 yrs two wheels and now I love my Tri Glide! A whole new riding experience and a lot less risk!
Just curious, how much do you use the front brake on the TriGlide? I find I rarely use the front brake except in an emergency braking situation.
I been riding for years. Now riding an Ultra Classic. Rear brake stop is the best tip I ever received. Practicing the stop n go has completely changed my riding for the better. Thanks Kevin!
Wisdom right here. I rode a Honda750 my last year in college, but sold it in 1972. Did not ride again for about 46 years. Then I went to training class, got certified to ride on two wheels, and bought a Honda VTX 1800 and rode it at age 69. BIG MISTAKE! But I am still riding bigger bikes ( Moto Guzzi California 1400). Am thinking of going with an Indian, as they sit lower and have a lower center of gravity. But will still stay with larger bikes (I think). Will watch your videos to be a better and safer rider. What a blessing your videos provide! I cannot imagine the number of lives you are saving.
As a new rider on a 600lb bike, one thing that someone taught me about always making a perfect stop and leaning slightly to the left so I can just put my left foot down is to just look left just before you come to a full stop. Easy to remember since it's the same principle as looking where you want to turn.
how’s it going for you a year later? I just bought my first bike (VStar 1100) in December. it’s a pretty heavy bike but i’m doing my best to handle it
God bless you for this information that we all need to hear thank you Kevin I'm continuously learning
You are very welcome
Thx for your help ❤️🙌
At 68 I decided to ride again, after almost 40 years. I've purchased an 84 GL1200 basket case to rebuild and am looking forward to learning how to handle it. So glad I found this channel.
Today i bought a 02 suzuki intruder 1400. Haven't ridden in 20 years. This helps thanks a lot
Hi Kevin, a simple Kiwi here from New Zealand. When I first got interested in riding, I started watching alot of your videos. They have helped me tremedously, alot of your tips and explainations on simple and advanced riding skills has done the world for me and my own confidence in riding.
Thank you, God Bless and keep up the amazing work!
Kia Kaha ( That means "Stay Strong" in my native tongue)
Thank you JB!
When I was 17 my first bike was a 50cc (3 cui), 80 kg moped with big bike controls and a manual gearbox. The best learner ever. Now I ride a 1750cc 300 kg HD.
Been riding for 50 years. I still am not the greatest at slow speeds on my SuperGlide. I know, I need the practice. By the way. For those that may read this please hit the like button. After all, this is if not the best it's one of the best how to motorcycle channels on RUclips. I don't know Kevin and he doesn't know me but he sure has helped me and my motorcycle riding family. Smash the like button! Please?
400lbs. while not a heavy motorcycle, is huge when you weigh 120lbs. Thanks for all you do.
I started on a 140kg Honda cb125e, then went to a 180kg Suzuki gs500, now I ride a 280kg Yamaha xvs1100, though it's not as heavy as the "heavy" bikes it was certainly something to get used to after coming from the Suzuki, I couldn't imagine how terrifying it would be jumping on a full fledged cruiser or tourer as a first bike
P.S love your videos Kevin I always look forward to them, cheers from the other side of the world
Kevin, I switched to a Goldwing DCT this past year. This is my 4th Goldwing over 24 years. The cornering and U-turns took the longest to to get comfortable with. No Clutch resistance to use! I used some of your previous videos to get my confidence and comfort level up. Trusting the DCT shifting took some real time practicing. I have full trust in the shifting now but I still will practice U-turns every few months. Memory muscle!
I really like my DCT also but it is not as easy to ride in the cones as a motorcycle with a clutch...IMO
@@MCrider Might try Rain or Econ mode... the throttle response is not as responsive.
@@wflentge Hey Wayne - on the DCT, does combining a drag of the rear brake and the throttle give you a controlled friction at low speeds ....like clutch and rear brake? Just curious.
@@cyclechillers1857 I have not tried this in a Cone Practice, but I guess I will. On the street, I feel it does provide me with a bit more control at slow speed.
Hey man! We're with you. Do not change. We need and appreciate you.
Made the mistake of getting a "large" bike (BMW F800GS) after being off a motorcycle for decades! About the only advantages I had going in were having driven a manual transmission for YEARS and riding a bicycle. I am eternally grateful for all your videos Kevin. By practicing what I've learned from MC Rider, getting instruction and putting my "ego" aside, I've become a much more skilled and confident rider. No mean feat when riding in San Francisco! And yeah... I'm also glad my Beemer had crash bars mounted when I got it!
San Francisco is varsity level riding. Im sticking to the East Bay for now.
@@sarag1158 Meh... Not as bad as you might think. But I definitely needed to take my time and practice, practice PRACTICE!
Interesting when you think about it though, SF has a LOT of diverse traffic and terrain within the city limits
IE; complex intersections, rail lines, high(er) speed roadways, short but nonetheless challenging "twisties," steel grate bridges. And then you've got the hills (I'm thinking Filmore up from Fisherman's Wharf? WHEW!) So... You can get a "dose" of just about anything you might run across wherever you ride all within SF city limits. You DEFINITELY need to be focused when riding in SF!
Excellent video Kevin. Thank you for always sharing your knowledge. I was a very sloppy rider on a 650 for 8 years. When I went up to a biker bike it was horrible and I almost quit. Thankfully a friend told me about your resources, I traded my big bike in for a Scout and started from scratch practicing your skills every week. Two years and 16k miles later and lots of road trips, I feel confident and happy. Your videos save lives, including mine. Thank you
I started riding a dirt bike in my teens, a Yamaha 125cc.
While in military, I bought a Yamaha 250cc enduro so I can ride to work and track on weekend.
Then, I went to Honda CB 750 nighthawk in 1982(?).
Quit riding until 2010, when we bought a Honda VTX 1300R.
Eventually ended up with 2005 Goldwing and now on our 2nd 2007 Goldwing.
Have not dropped the Goldwing...still trying to practice and manage U-turns on this bike.
Getting better but, still not tight enough, especially with my wife out back...little more "brave" riding solo.😁
Being a returning rider after being off a bike for 22 years, I opted for the bigger bike and went with a Honda VTX 1800. Definitely has a larger learning curve. But thanks to content providers like yourself, I was able to pick up lots of information that helped me smooth out my technique and flatten that learning curve. Your braking video and stop and go were very helpful as well. I also struggled with right turns from a stop. This is why I remain a patreon supporter. I found lots of good info in the forums. I even bought some cones for the exercises. Although I need to get my butt in the parking lot and practice.
Awesome!!! Glad to hear the forums and field guide were helpful!
Just started riding again. Got a CB500x. These videos are priceless. I Just re-learned counter-steering.....I had forgotten, among other things.....and always learn something new. Thanks so much MC.
I bought my first bike before my first MSF class. It was a 2002 Vulcan 1500 Classic. I knew I probably made a mistake with that after my first class, but it all worked out in the end.
I own and love a BMW r1200rt...
I have progressed from a learner on a 250cc to 650cc to the above over 26 years in the saddle.
I can't applaud this enough on its accuracy.
Nail the fundamentals and each journey on ones ride becomes second nature, no matter what the size.
Safe journeys 🙏
Iv been on a 1200 sportster riding 10k miles a season for years and I just bought a Road King Classic. Gunna be a big change but I'm excited!
I got back into riding in 2018. Bought my 1st ever Harley (Fat Bob FXFBS). I had no problems with this bike for the first fours years riding it. But now at age 72 I decided to down size. I bought a Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro October 2023. This bike is so much more manageable for me.
Started on Cbr 600rr. Moved to 1000rr now I'm on a vstar 650 classic 97. Love the cruiser so much just an awesome bike
Mr. Zacher after 30 yrs of non riding at 68yrs old I purchased a Vulcan 900 Classic. I'm 5'7" small frame with a left ankle fused. That motorcycle was awesome except I had no muscle to handle the weight etc. I sold it and bought a 05 V star 650 classic which is better suited. I'm now installing 7" risers with 1" pullback to relax and raise my arms. At 69 soon to be 70 I hope to master skills yet I don't intend to ever bigger. Thanks for your comment
Thanks for the reminder for big bike riding. I have a 1998 goldwing 980lb. Last thing I want is a napping bike😀. God bless, Kevin, keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video my wife picks up her new Royal Enfield Interceptor tomorrow.. it’s larger and more powerful than the bikes she has ridden before.
Kevin you have taught me so much, Thank you for your service.
If I'd started out on a bigger bike, I'd have missed out on the joy that a small sweet handling and agile bike brings.
Having done the whole big bike thing, I sold my litre bike and bought an R3. I find it much more fun to ride on the road than a bigger bike, as I can use the whole of the engine and go up and down through the gears, whilst still riding in a safe and legal way.
Great info! I rented a streetglide last summer for an 8 day family ride around Lake Michigan. Even though I knew better I made the mistake of backing down the driveway and when the rear wheel went up on the street I had no footing and me and the bike fell on my left shoulder. Completely blew out my left rota-tor cuff. That was June and in November I got a complete reverse shoulder replacement. I did make the trip just in my van and not on the Streetglide. The other 7 riders were happy to unload their extra bags into my van. I was anger with me for months because I knew better!!
Another good video Kevin. Ty. Minus 9 C here in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 now. No riding for a while. But one can always practice mentally. Best wishes. Happy New Year.
One reason I moved from Toronto to Victoria 4 years ago. It’s 8C today and I enjoyed a nice ride. All the best.😊👍🏾
True! So true, Kevin. I started 425 Suzuki (28yr ago)..now 111 Indian Chieftain 👍🏍 great advice!
Thank you and God bless you Kevin you are saving lives
New rider listening close. I don’t want my Gladius to take a nap!
Thanks a million , Kevin.
You explain things well. I enjoy your videos.
I appreciate that!
Yeah, given the camber on a road, don't park a heavy MC nose in first, always reverse park it (unless you've got a Goldwing with a reverse gear).
I'm a 50 year old man who has always wanted a Harley Davidson. Being a father of two sons and a husband I put all my wants aside for obvious reasons. My sons are grown and my wife is happy to make me happy so I ended up buying a HD Road Gliide ultra . I have never ridden a bike so taking the safety course through HD was a must . I'm a 6'4" 280 pound man and catching me on anything smaller than what I bought was never going to happen . I take riding my bike extremely seriously, I understand it only takes a second to mess up big time . I am still very new to riding but feel like this experience was surly worth the wait . Can a new rider ride a big bike , yes . I always keep in mined my reaction in case of an emergency is not where I need to be so I do my best to learn my bike and never get to confident. Take care bud . Thanks for sharing. Big Mex
i started on a heavy bike and powerful as well; take it slow start in subdivision if you have it my bike has never been down but the Road Glide is a heavy bike no question also be careful with the slow descent harley kickstand (i never cared for that also never liked where they put the oil filter) other than that good bike
@@sean8470 I've already put just under 700 miles since I've bought it . I thought I was careful when avoiding oil at the pump , trying to keep my tires from going over oil. When I pulled away my right boot had oil on it and slipped at the stop sign. It took all of my strength not to drop it. The bike is very heavy no doubt about that. Thank you for commenting and for your welcomed advice. Pete
@@petedetects7012 well done saving the drop I had a close call pulling into in laws gravel driveway was able to save the drop thankfully caught it early
@@sean8470 i have a question, my bike has front and rear drop guards. If I deliberately drop it to practice picking it up. Do the drop guards really prevent all damages from occurring.
Q: How long do you have to train your braking techniques on a big bike? A: You have to train braking techniques until you mastered the technique of changing your brake pads! - That´s what my driving instructor told me. :D
Great communication on heavy bikes!
Thanks
Thanks Mcrider I bought a Honda VTR 250 a year ago and practice my skills on a carpark often.
I bought my Harley a month ago and transferred my skills without to much issues, but I know that being consistent with my slow riding skills base is the key for me where I will develop my skills as a better safe rider...
Hey Kevin, understand your philosophy about starting on a smaller bike, but most people cannot afford to buy 3 or 4 bikes just so they can feel comfortable as they progress. I think you buy what you want, but understand you will have to dedicate time to practice! If you buy a big boy, put the drop guards on the bag and engine protectors and you will be fine!! BUT PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!! Also, buy a good used big bike, there are plenty out there. I can say this because my first ride is a 2005 Electra Glide, and I practice!! Thanks for your expertise, knowledge, and time Kevin dedicated to helping us new guys out! By the way, I am a 58 year young noobie! Never think you are too old guys!! It's just a number, and you have to do things a little different, that's all!!
I don't totally disagree with your comment, some riders can handle a larger bike from the start. but, I still stand by the best practice for the vast majority of riders is to start smaller.
It is not a matter of "can I afford it". If a rider buys a used small bike and practices they can put a few thousand miles on it and become a MUCH better rider than the rider who is on a larger bike. Smaller bikes are easier to learn on and more forgiving of mistakes. That same smaller used bike can then be sold to the next rider for about what was paid for it...I have owned and sold several small bikes and either broke even or made a little money on the sale a year later.
A rider who does this for the first year and dedicates time to practice will be a much better rider than the one who starts on a big bike and struggles to practice...plus they are afraid to drop their dream bike.
I think if we are really honest with ourselves it is much more about pride than finances. No one wants to go to a bike night on a Honda Rebel...but it is more embarrassing to drop your Road King in front of the crowd than to ride in quietly on your Rebel. ;)
@@MCrider Yup, I understand that as well! Appreciate you and your time!
I have a 2000 HD Heritage Classic. I always put both feet down. I usually/ almost always use the front brake when at the end of a stop to hold the bike in one place while I put 2 feet down to balance the MC. I've never seen anybody just use their rear brake or put down just 1 foot. Thanks for your videos, I enjoy them and pass them on.
So true! My Street Triple was so forgiving in comparison to my S1000RR. I am having to unlearn covering the front brake as my instinct is to use it when I should be using the rear and the bite is so much more on the RR with the weight balance being not a lot of room for error.
I was watching a video on a competing RUclips channel about people who've in some cases ridden for several years, but haven't learned to turn their Harley's around in an acceptable space and with even a modicum of control.. I fail to understand how you can want to be that rider; lacking basic control of a vehicle large and heavy enough to not only hurt yourself but others around you as well would completely ruin the fun for me. The advice to start a little more humble; in both speed and weight is probably the best advice possible. Should 16 year-old's drive a Lamborghini? I think not. By the same token, a Goldwing or big Harley is too much for the inexperienced. Added to which, Harley's are usually not set up for ultimate control, but comfort and style; a bad beginner choice! Thx for the common-sense videos and keep 'em comin'!!
Very valid points there. I started riding when I was 17. That was a 100 CC lightweight Honda. I rode it for 4 years and graduated to a bigger 180 CC bike. I rode it until I was 27. And then I stopped riding altogether for 10 years. And then I came back, bought a 750 CC Honda Shadow. The size and weight of it looked intimidating, but as I started to drive, my old memories came back into my hands, my feet and my brain. I am going to stick to this bike for sometime and only when I am fully accustomed to it, think of going bigger. My passion has also changed camps, earlier from sport based bikes now to cruisers by the way :-)
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A few years back, maybe 4, I went for my motorcycle license, I used your videos as a massive learning guide to riding, Ive been off a motorbike for 1 and a half now, so I am getting myself refreshed, hoping to be on a 2015 softail shortly, came from a yamaha mt07, I feel guilty to say the abs saved me more than once, so I KNOW I need to be prepared to be better, I will need to change the way I rode on that smaller bike.
Like my chief in the USCG used to say, "it's physics dipsh1t"! 😁😎 I went from a yz125 in 1978 to a Honda 700 shadow to a Honda vt1100 shadow, and now I'm on a Honda vtx1300c just recently .. Gradual increase over the years👍 commuting everyday helped a lot. Always learning
I've been riding motorcycles for about fifty years. I'm now on my sixth bike. The fifth bike was a Kawasaki Versys 650 which weighed about 500 lbs, which I rode for about five years. Last summer I purchased a Kawasaki Concours 14, which weights about 700 lbs. So far, I've dropped the Connie three times, always at zero speed. The first time was backing the bike down a ramp off a trailer. At that time the fairings were off so there was little damage. I did learn that I couldn't pick the bike back up, I had to use an engine hoist to get it upright. Subsequently, I installed crash bars. The next few times I dropped it because I didn't have enough revs when I let out the clutch and the engine died when i was expecting to go forward. Fortunately, with the crash bars the only slight damage was to replaceable pads on the bars and the bars also kept the bike from going completely over on its side such that I can lift the bike back up. That has given me a little more confidence about riding it. My main challenge now is to practice tight low speed turns. Once the bike is out of mothballs this spring I'm going to take it to a nearby empty parking lot and practice as i have seen demonstrated on this channel and others.
I agree completely. I used to work at a Harley dealership. It was quite common to have a big burly veteran rider come in with hIs gal that was looking for her first bike. Often they Had just finished the rider edge course on the street fighter ( not a bad first bike either ) and I would show them what I consider good new rider friendly bikes. The smaller sportster, forty -eight were just about right. Most of the gust would push bigger such as the low rider and the deluxe “ so they would “ grow into it “ These are still over 100 lbs heavier at least. Some pushed for the various glides.
If they pushed I would put them on a glide and ask them to duck walk it. It was exceedingly rare that they could go 10 feel without being close to dropping it. That would scare the gal and she would then lean to the smaller bikes.
It’s a fable that Harley salespersons love to sell sportsters as they always get them back when they get them back when they go to a bigger bike. That’s partly true that some will come in for a bigger bike. More often if they got the bike that was too big, they could not handle it and sold it off and went back to a pillion ride
Thank You Kevin. Great advice to all. Using only the rear brake, at speeds below 15 mph, to stop and applying the rear brake during slow speed maneuvers, while in the friction zone, is like having someone next to you holding the bike up. This works particularly well while riding my big heavy Road King. Another thing I noticed is turning the handlebars when the bike is stopped or barely moving takes considerably more strength than a lighter bike. This becomes a big factor if you find yourself almost stopped and the handlebars are turned and you go to straighten them to keep the bike from going down. It would be very cool if you developed a drill for such a situation, although I anticipate your response will be to practice stopping with the bars straight and practice starting out with the bars turned. Ride Safe
New rider just bought a used road glide appreciate these videos great work
I started on a Harley sportster,thank God there's a church parking lot out where I once lived, plus I took a msf class and watched a lot of Mc rider and etc, myself I really like Mc rider the best, just your a rider and can really break things down,bless you for educated all of us out here 👍
Thank you Kevin. I started on a Honda Shadow 1100. Now ride a Roadstar 1700. I'm 5'6" and 150 lbs....but practice and technique have made me comfortable to ride
Hi Chris How are you doing ?
Best advice for someone who just upgraded! Used it while riding the Tail of the Dragon in TN.
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From newfoundland .canada.
You motor man n fast Eddie.
Are the best.
Great how to ride motorcycle.
I leaned n ride .the drill.
Made me a better rider
Thank you all.
Keep up the great work
I have a SGS H-D and my XS650 Been riding that XS for 48 yrs. The Harley is a rolling couch. The XS650 is still my favorite. As I get older I’m enjoying the smaller light weight bikes more. I also have a Ural w/sidecar. That’s like driving a tractor that can go sixty. Totally different riding experience. Anyone who tells you driving a sidecar is easier than a regular. motorcycle most likely never drove a sidecar rig. A rig can bite you hard if you don’t develop those techniques to sidecars.
I ride a Yamaha Royal Star tour deluxe, they are big heavy bikes (854 lbs, and with my 226 lbs on it 1000 plus) but I love big heavy bikes. I started out years ago learning on an HD Sportster 25 years ago. Now, big touring cruisers like what I have are the only way to go. I will never go small I'm 52 and I like my backrest, footboard, full windshield, etc. all the creature comforts.
I am a reentry rider as well. 63. been riding lighter bikes off and on for over 40 years Started with a nice 2005 sportster and bought a nice 2008 electra glide ultra. Real glad I restarted on the sportster. This man is dead on with the techneak Miss spelled. Started to have trouble in a turn around and quickly rear brake lightly and clutch throttled it and she came right back up before the Heavy lay over. Info is very important. Thank you sir.
Thank you for these videos! They really are helpful, sometimes to reassure me that I'm doing something right, and others to point out faults. I bought a Vulcan for my first bike and it's not crazy heavy, but it's not light either. What really helped me build more confidence was doing my MSF course. The Navy mandates that I do the MSF course, but I planned to anyways. I did it using their bike, which was a yamaha vstar250 and it was such a tiny little bike that was amazing to build skills on. I'm not a good rider yet, probably somewhere in the mediocre range, but it helped build alot of confidence because it is such an easy bike to handle. I would suggest everyone do a motorcycle safety course, you always have something to learn!
I am thinking of upgrading from my first street bike and this video has convinced me to hold on to my 750 Shadow instead of selling her. I can't think of a better reason for two bikes than to start the season on a smaller and easier to handle 750 and then move up to whatever I decide to buy as an upgrade once I feel comfortable again, I live in Canada and have to take at least 5-6 months off a year. I like the Shadow style but I'm a big guy and she revs out pretty high on the highway so I'm thinking probably a 1300 or 1800 VTX, . I'm under 5 years experience so It also seems like a smart idea to treat every season like my first and ease into it. Thank you very much for giving me this great excuse/reason for a second bike.
I sure appreciate this video... and all that you have to share.
Ironically, the techniques you teach have helped me not only with a heavier(900lb) bike, but with taller bikes.
Taller bikes are my limitation. Stopping with only one leg down allows me to still ride taller bikes.
In addition, I am considering a Russell Day Long seat because your technique allows me to reach the ground in a safe manner.
Hope you are still enjoying that seat?!
Love your sense of humor - keep up the good work!
Thx Stu... I still really like the Russell seat. One of the most comfortable seats I have used, right up there with the Police seat on the Road King I used to have.
I appreciate this.
I have been riding a sport and supersport for a long time.
I will have to adjust to a touring bike like a GoldWing.
I can't wait.
I started out on a FatBoy and it definitely took me longer to learn and Im still learning but with less mistakes
Sameeee
Any tips? I had a street 750 but only for 2 weeks so not much training, I just now got a harley custom chopper style and I think its around 700lb compared to 400lb
I just got a Triumph Bonneville T120 to keep my Roadking company..I find the Triumph so much enjoyable to hope on and ride..525lb vs 800lb. But of course I still love my Roadking!
Enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your riding tip's and knowledge. Always learning something new.
I am a re-entry rider, after a 30 year hiatus ... just bought a new *Road King* after taking the Harley basic course. I know that this will be a *project* with alot of parking-lot-training before I am close to being competent on it. First thing i bought were *Drop Guard Protectors* because I am fixin to get down, _seriously,_ with slow maneuver training.
Even if you start on something smaller, one day you will be on a big bike. You are right Kevin. Basic fundamentals are something we all need to work on.
I ride a beastly Honda Valkyrie and it took me some time to get used to it. I could have used the advice from this video a year ago.
I agree. I started on a 400cc bike, had it about 18 months then moved up to a 750. Had that for many years now ride an 07 VTX 1300 retro. I really like the floorboards and low seat height. I'm at the point in life where both my bike and I are built for comfort and not for speed! 😉
I've been riding a Suzuki C50T Boulevard for the better part of a year now and, wanting a better highway bike I picked up a Honda VTX1300 yesterday. Talk about a night-and-day experience! I'm very glad I didn't trade in my Suzi as part of the deal because I am going to want to spend a lot of time in parking lots learning how to get that beast to corner before I make it my daily driver.
...Besides, my son wants the Suzi :D
Going over to watch your training vids to build a training regiment for myself right now. Thank you for all you do for us!
Going over for a nap hahahaha well said
My advice is also to purchase a used bike. I can tell my Harley 1200 sportster is much heaver then my Honda 250 rebel. Even when I'm moving it in the driveway not running it can be a challenge. From you video I have been breaking wrong and training wrong all along. I usually hit both breaks and when I start out from a start I didn't have the wheel turned. I will do it your way from now on. Thanks for the advice.
This is why I traded in my ST1300 at 69. It was 780 pounds of top heavy bike and with my limited inseam I was having trouble with stops, especially when stopping at lights with a crossing grade.
Now I have a 2015 Goldwing that a.) Sits low enough to get both feet down and b.) Carries its weight lower to the ground. The BMW K75 I had before the St1300 was even more top heavy. It pays to check how you fit that bike you’re looking to buy.
I think you've just convinced me to hang on to my Softail Deluxe a little longer. I first started riding over 20 years ago and just last year did the MSF course which taught me a lot of great technique. I've laid down thousands of miles of mountain riding (West and East Coast) on Road Kings, Heritage, and the Deluxe. I'm wanting to move up to a Goldwing, but now I'm thinking I need to do the advanced courses on the Deluxe and then make the move to the Goldwing. Thanks for the great videos and instruction.
I ride a Maxi-Scooter, but my dream has always been to have a full fledged motorcycle (maybe someday). All of the few riders I've known are big on the idea that a new rider should go straight for what they would want instead of gradually moving up step by step. The reason I prefer their way of thinking is, for one thing MONEY. The average person isn't made out of money to be buying two or more bikes to eventually get to that "ONE." That combined with what you probably haven't stopped hearing, "Why buy below what your heart desires so that you get bored with what you got? Which then diminishes the enjoyment of the riding experience." Admittedly, it may not be wise, but that is where I find I lean on that matter. My taking up the Maxi was because of practical reasons. I needed something other than bicycles because of my current health, and after four years of saving, it was still looking like I would never be able to afford a motorcycle I would fully appreciate over the long haul. So I took what money I did save and went after a scooter. Ending up with better in THAT arena than I was expecting or even hoping for put me in a very happy place about the choice I ultimately made. I still dream of moving up to a full fledged motorcycle, just not as urgently. I sure won't refuse the opportunity, but if that opportunity never comes, THe maxi-scooter I have has been great enough that at least now I could live with that... if I must. I appreciate what you do in these vids.
I'm in South Carolina and on the maxi (Yamaha XMAX 300), I have ridden to thirteen of however many southern states... not all in the same ride, of course, but for me it's a lifetime achievement. Peace.
So I started out on a Honda Rebel 250 back in 2018. Never took courses, just watched videos and practiced as I went. I had that bike until 2020, although after my buddy dumped it it never ran right, and that was at the end of 2018. So for the summer of '18 and some of '19 I was practicing (albeit on a now-crappy bike). I didn't ride for a lot of '19 because it would die when I rode it and I lacked the mechanical skill to fix it beyond basic repairs. And I rode it maybe a few times in 2020. Now just a few weeks ago I bought a Harley Road King Classic, feeling like I've got the fundamentals down. I've been taking it slow. Being sure to watch plenty videos, I'm signed up for a Harley class in July. It's been going pretty good actually. I feel like I'm more capable on this bike than the Rebel (maybe it's because I think I'm cooler now lol). But I've had one run-in recently that scared the bejeebus out of me. I'm in a downtown area in rural-ish WI. 25 mph limit. I'm approaching a hill -- maybe 20-35 degree incline -- where I need to turn left midway up it. I ended up needing to wait for a car to pass to turn when I wasn't expecting a car to come out. As I stopped, I think I "micro-panicked" and tried slowing down quickly with my front brake. The bike started falling to the left but there were cars behind me and cars stopped on my left waiting for me to go and I wasn't about to look like an idiot/hold up traffic. I used all of my strength to pull it back up and straighten the wheel, and did a less-than-stellar takeoff. It's been a bit of a shot to my confidence the past couple of days and now I'm always thinking about not tipping over. Do you have any specific uphill stopping techniques or any clues as to what I could have done better?
Brief outline only, In Australia we have a power to weight ratio for learner & provisional riders with a two stage provisional licencing system, & mandatory riding courses & testing before proceeding to the next level it takes a couple of years before you can get an open licence which allows you to ride any size motorcycle. Its a real PITA when your younger but if you want a open bike licence here you have to earn it, I like it that way I believe its made me a better rider than I otherwise would have been.
Just started riding at 52, got a sportster. One of my neighbors, who’s in his 70s now, came over to tell me his motorcycle story. He started riding on a Honda Goldwing. Problem is he only had one ride. He spent the next 2 months in the hospital after they were barely able to even save his life! I don’t remember exactly how he explained the crash but he was just pulling out of the neighborhood and onto the main road when he got too much throttle and ended up head on with a truck! He almost died. The truck driver was fine btw. He never rode again, understandably. Thing is, if he had started on an appropriate beginner size motorcycle and gradually worked his way up to the Goldwing, he could have had years of enjoyment as a rider and avoided so much in the process.
Have a safe weekend Kevin
Thanks Mark
Very good information. My favorite motorcycles definitely were not either one of the harley’s
Excellent video as usual.👍
I had my beautiful Heritage for just over 5 years and dropped it twice. Last month I traded it for a Street Glide. There's a whole different dynamic in going from a cruiser to a touring bike. BUT, even though I'm not perfectly comfortable with it just yet, I'm looking forward to my upcoming vacation next week where I'm going to ride roughly 1100+ miles to my 45th Anniversary class reunion so I should feel much better about my new bike and I'm pretty excited about it. Does it weigh more than my Heritage? Sure does. Is it faster? Yup. Is it more comfortable? Sure is. I can hardly wait.... AND, I'm 63 and a half years old 😂😂😂
Haven’t ridden for 25yrs. Just bought a zzr1100. A bit nervous but I’ll just ease into it, bit by bit.
Edit: I used to Chuck these big bikes around like it was nothing. I’m hoping it’ll be like a duck to water. Cautiously confident.
Great video. Took the MSF course on a Honda Rebel, been riding a Kawasaki Eliminator 125cc for a couple years but now, I realize it struggles with highways. Looking into a '94 goldwing 1500. Will be quite a change and the test ride was awesome. That is absolutely true with the technique and keeping good balance stopping and going. I may not be a gymnast but I ride a one wheel called a solowheel which has also helped me gain that critical balance that has to be pretty much flawless to keep in control of such a device. But for motorcycle riding technique the kawasaki has provided that.
Started on a Honda 350 years ago and stepped up several times until I got a goldwing and was very surprised on how nimble and easy it was, I contribute that to starting small and years of riding
Amen brother. I have a HD Ultra Class just under 1000 lbs. I'm 30 years on 26 motorcycles and have been formally trained and the big bike is always as handful... If you stop with front brake and the wheel turned... It's going down..
Can’t wait to see the new MC Rider videos with the Fat Bob!
I jumped from 50cc to 1400cc straight. I experienced that big cruiser is all about learning from mistakes and facing all fears. I'm still glad that i choose to jump on heavy cruiser immediately but if you have zero experience from motorized bikes, listen what this man have to say. Otherwise it's all about learning to handle weight.
I got back to riding after 35 years and picked a VTX 1300c. Well it's around 700lbs. Took a little getting used to but now after a year it no problem...but it did take a bit..I was cautious and it has been fine.
Thank you.