I don't think the price would be that high if it were a production series, however because all the R&D needs to go into what ends up as about 10 bikes in the end factoring in Japanese labor cost, it might actually be what they need to charge to break even
this SHOW SUCKS !!!!!!!!! i dont want to see you two talking about bikes this is so fucking idiodic format. SHOW ME THE DAMN BIKES, MORE THAN 3 seconds and then you idiots talk for 5 minutes. this is so dumb
Echoing the comment above mine, salaries alone for R&D engineers over a 2-4 year or longer development cycle could easily run from high hundreds of thousands to several millions. A lot of the engineers might be doing other stuff within the business, but even so, adding on the cost of tailoring each bike to each athlete and the manufacturing costs, there may not be any direct profit to be had. The benefit to the brand seems mainly to be the status of having an Olympic product and the halo effect. Making all athletes compete on technically identical bikes is a strong argument though. If we still want to see the most cutting edge tech being used, then perhaps there should be a greater variety of events, some for the hyper bikes, and some where the rules stipulate low tech, low cost, and functionally identical.
The Canyon is actually a better price, because adding all the bits to a basic frame set would be another $10k+. Would be good to see it against say a Dolan. Is that extra £10k worth it for marginal gainsbury?
Next time you do a video describing something like the new Hope/Lotus track bike, show more than a 1 second picture of it! It's a visual medium RUclips, not a podcast
totally agree, I wanted to have a look at the bikes well i had a very hard time doing so. A real shame for a VIDEO talking about all track bikes for the olympics
41:26 Got my bike on Bike Vault! Really chuffed, did it on a whim as, even though I was completely lost, had an amazing view down the valley, so got the bike propped up and took a pic.
Al those crazy amounts, the Netherlands team has a koga frame set, that retails at 9,499 i ques that's a company of enthousiast that want more of their bikes out on track.
I like the dynamic between Connor and Ollie. Connor is like Ollie's psychiatrist and just there to listen to his yap fest. I wish to have a friend like Connor but almost all my friends have ADHD like me. Same bird flocks together I guess.
They should take some inspiration from motorsports where, in production vehicle-based racing leagues, the cars, more than just being commercially available, need to have a minimum quantity in production. So they do have to be somewhat reasonably priced, or else they'll just end up with a bunch of homologation specials gathering dust in their inventory.
Which is especially weird since like they said you can just go on the FES website and buy all the compontents. Frames, wheels, handle bars etc. Why not show them? They could have also easily put together a whole bike and compared that price to the others instead of just the price for the frame.
Thanks for the mention, we're stoked to see so many bikes on the Bikes Of TCRNo10. It's great to be able to see the evolution of bikepacking race bikes!
The UCI needs the concept of Homologation like in motorsport. The companies need to make and sell X amount of them to the public for them to be legal, that way companies just can't "technically" sell them but not really.
@WerdnaLiten this would take a modest rule change. Obviously, cycling will be behind motorsports in terms of the money thrown at r&d. But a simple rule change like this would really not be a big deal. And unlike with motorsports, regular people can ride these bikes without the issues that come from random punters having 1500hp under their feet.
If the UCI rules forces them to produce at least 1,000 frames for Olympic track bikes. Bike manufacturers like Hope-Lotus is going to lose a lot of money. Since they don’t actually develop their Olympic track bike with an intent to sell to the general public.
@iMadrid11 there are nearly no real track bikes sold in 4 digit numbers these days. Even the Look won't hit 1000 copies. Argon 18 probably will but not even in a year. The number would really need to be closer to 100 or 200 and that's a stretch too.
I liked the discussion about onboard cameras and the use of drones - fully agree with it all. Imagine watching Cav breaking the record from a POV perspective. The more regular use of drone footage in the XC MTB coverage has been spectacular.
I've never seen a left hand track hub. Maybe they can be hand made though. I think the problem is the lock ring, it needs to have a right hand thread for track also because they are usually left hand thread on the right side of the hub. I had a hub almost fully custom made with free and fixed gears. It cost me a bit. This was many years ago. edit; I just noticed a complete left drive minus bike is $1000 from Affinity cycles in NY. They had Philwood custom make a few sets.
I love that WX-R, but bloody hell, £25 grand AND it doesn't even come with tyres! at that price I'd expect tyres, and a bell too! But you get neither, crazy.😅
I took my MSF (Motorcycle Safety FOundation) training course with a Competition Motorbike Police officer, It is absolutely wild how much control they have over these massive motorcycles.
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
For a long time, as the price of Chanel increased, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I'll be happy that I have the kislux as my travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one will have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
I remember there being lots of grumbles in MotoGP when the onboard cameras started but only a few riders had them. Think the only solution to the power meter numbers would be a UCI controlled hardware and head unit supply like the control ECU we see in British Superbikes etc, but there was strong resistance to that initially from the manufacturers. No doubt there would be complaints about that too from the current suppliers and sponsors.
The real reason the Japanese Olympic track bike has the crank on the left-hand side is so that when entering the picture in the bike vault, they can be showing drive side and still have the track in the background. You heard it here first.😅 And being a track bike, it will always be in biggie smalls…
so I reckon within the next 6 months there will be two videos 1. Ollie touring the Factor factory 2. Meet Ollie's new commuter bike. Could get a bit of a discount on it by borrowing from Alan's collection of Dura-Ace components from under his kitchen sink
23:00 Long rides is my favourite category in cycling. After my first gravel bike, I decided not buy a road bike anymore. Either get a fast/aero gravel or an adventure / e-gravel that can take up extra luggage.
What I find interesting is the 2 countries with the most expensive bikes Australia and Japan are also the countries who have the most velodromes, 65 active velodromes each. With the closest countries coming in behind them in third are Italy and Argentina with 31 each. To be fair, I know one of Melbourne’s track is a pop up at the tennis centre and only constructed for major events and then dismantled.
In my experience the left hand drive only seemed to be a factor in a match sprint when going slow on the banking. But this was on a 40+ degree steep bank and with an older steel bike that had a significant chain line offset.
Re: Using gravel bikes for the Transcontinental--Lael Willcox is using a Specialized Roubaix to do the 18,000 mi Around-the-World trip/race. She just has it decked out like a gravel w/35mm tires, etc. As someone who would like to bikepack across the US or around Scotland and Ireland in the future, this makes me feel better in case I can't afford another bike. The build I'm currently finishing is a Specialized Roubaix frame. Right now, I have 25mm tires on. In the future, I could get a different wheelset that would allow wider tires. I'm not an f'n millionaire...the millionaires I've worked for in the past made sure of that!
Conors comment about tax is actually a good comment, because these bikes will be purchases as business-to-business transactions meaning no VAT. Very well thought out there Conor.
I still have a set of the Mavic Ksyrium SL wheels from back in the day. Very cool to look at and fun to ride,but the DT Swiss wheels that came with my 2012 Specialized Roubaix have been completely bombproof, so the Mavics mostly hang in the shed.
Speaking of tires, I've had really good luck w/Panaracer Tour Guard Plus tires. Finally got a puncture after 8 months when I road over something metal in the road. They're still going strong after I road over glass in the road the other day. (The homeless leave broken bottles around.) I highly recommend the Panaracers.
Dan Bigham riding clockwise around the track to test the chainset aerodynamics. Surely riding clockwork is potentially slower due to the conditioning of riding anticlockwise for years?
We’re talking new and 2023-2024 tech. A new van goes for about 60k € (Mercedes-Benz EQV), a middle-class car 55k € (EQB). Your point of comparison, 25k € were a serious car, is a bit off from my perspective. Be mindful of the increasingly widening income gap. Sure, those limited-edition Tour/Olympics vehicles, they want to sell them to colletors. The other models however, they’re targetted to the side with money, as sad as that might sound, for econ reasons. Just don’t get surprised.
Speaking of Continental tires, I wish there was a simple chart comparing their lineup of tires by rolling/puncture resistance. Their own website has limited information and the Bicycle Rolling Resistance site only lists a handful of models.
I'm not really a shoe kinda person and certainly the cycling shoes I have are functional and comfortable but not trendy or expensive. But them shoes that Cav has... I want 😍
Can confirm. The Paris 2024 XC MTB have redesigned frame storage for a baguette, a bottle cage which can hold a bottle of wine, a specially designed frame strap for onions and the helmets have a special cigarette cut-out. Each frame is toughness tested by dropping it from the heights of a French man's arrogance all the way down to his courage. 😉
24:30 I'm with Connor. After more than 10.000km my rear tire (Conti Gator Hardshell) gave up on an unplanned offroad section due to some sharp stones and I was contemplating getting the GP5000 for a change. They have half of the rolling resistance than the Hardshell, so it's 20W saved with two tires, but after a lot of back and forth I decided to buy the Hardshell again and the reasons are easy: I'm not racing my bike, rather I do long distances over 200k and I rather spend my time riding than fixing a flat (I still ride tubes). Also I'm a taller so heavier guy and while the GP's are also said to be very puncture resistant, I just feel better riding an even safer tire. I don't care about the watt loss and I guess because of the compound mixture they're way more durable. I've seen GP5000's after 10k and they are done. My wear indicators on both front and rear are still like new after 10k, so you could probably still use them for another 20k at least. And to close it of: Especially doing the TCR on a road bike, with all the gravel parts in it, as well as the roads down in the Balkans I would definitely go with a chunkier but more resistant tire. Incidentally I just saw the Instagram stories of the TCR today and it's been a lot of pictures of people fixing their GP5000s.
I feel like we need an 'Olympic Standard' set of bikes. Host nations provide massive venues and gear for the events and I think bikes need to be considered to make things fair. I imagine all-white frames, not available to public but riders only, 2 weeks before for practice. They will be based on the going standard for high-end bikes of the time but must be unbranded with a variety of frames and adjustability to fit. - Possibly a controversial take, but I'd love to see under-funded nations kick some ass.
I remember the day vividly, and not because it was a beautiful summer morning in New York City. It started with an innocent breakfast of street tacos - cheap, greasy, and ultimately treacherous. I was halfway through my usual bike ride around Central Park when I felt the first ominous rumble in my stomach. "No big deal," I thought, trying to push through. But the gurgles quickly became a full-blown stomach revolt. Sweat trickled down my forehead, not from the exertion, but from sheer terror. I needed a bathroom, and fast. I pedaled like a man possessed, my eyes darting around for any sign of relief. The first restroom I found had an "Out of Order" sign taunting me. The pressure in my bowels was now a full-blown emergency. Every pedal stroke jostled my stomach, threatening to unleash a catastrophe. The sweat on my back turned cold with fear. I spotted another restroom near the lake and raced towards it. As I got closer, my heart sank - there was a line of tourists. Waiting was not an option. My body was betraying me, and I was running out of time. I took off again, zigzagging through the park, my vision tunneling. The pressure was unbearable. I could feel the inevitable disaster inching closer. I finally saw a café and bolted towards it. As I dismounted and tried the door, it was locked. "Restroom for customers only," the sign mocked. Desperation clouded my judgment. I considered ducking behind a bush, but Central Park was teeming with people. The thought of getting caught mid-squat was too humiliating to bear. I resumed my frantic ride, my mind a blur of panic and self-preservation. And then it happened. The dam broke. There, in the middle of Central Park, surrounded by families enjoying their day, I lost the battle. The initial relief was quickly overshadowed by the mortifying realization of what had just happened. Warmth spread through my shorts, followed by an undeniable, awful drip down my legs. The smell hit me next, a nauseating confirmation of my worst fear. I stood frozen, face burning with shame as I felt the sticky mess leaking down my calves and into my socks. I could see the horrified expressions of people around me, some covering their noses, others pointing and laughing. The stench was unmistakable. My legs felt like jelly as I slowly mounted my bike, the squelch in my shorts a cruel reminder of my predicament. The ride home was a new level of torment. Every pedal stroke spread the mess further, the slick, uncomfortable sensation adding to my misery. The smell was unbearable, a cloud of shame that followed me every mile. People I passed gave me wide berths, their disgusted looks searing into my memory. When I finally made it home, fifteen agonizing miles later, I stumbled into the shower, fully clothed, trying to wash away the shame and stink. My legs were coated, my socks ruined, and my dignity in tatters. The whole ordeal had left me a broken man, forever wary of street tacos. But it wasn't over. My friends heard the story, of course. They laughed until they cried, dubbing me "Poopy Pants Pete." Now, every time we ride through Central Park, they never let me forget it. The story of my infamous ride has become legend, retold at every gathering, ensuring my shame lives on forever. And so, I learned the hard way that sometimes, no matter how prepared you think you are, life has a way of humbling you in the most public and smelly ways possible. My advice? Always know the location of the nearest restroom and avoid sketchy street food before a long bike ride.
With regards to the TRC 10, i'm totally gutted for Victor Bosoni who had to return from the lead to pick up his passport he forgot..........one to watch for next year i think.
Thank you GCN and all the G_N shows for producing so much content so regularly for us. This must take a tremendous amount of planning filming and editing ❤❤❤
@@rememberyourlight816 Yes, I keep patient submitted my bikes since 2017 with nearly 20 bikes and splashed hundreds thousands dollars 💸. But it worth for me.
left-side drive-train isn't about aero, it's about pushing the center of gravity of the bike further toward the black line and shortening the overall distance travelled by the rider; namaste
Put the onboard camera in the bike computer. Ain't rocket science. The only real issues are (1) if you want real time footage there would have to be a suitably high data rate radio with antenna to broadcast the signal back to something en route and (2) battery life. Camera's, additional storage, radio/antenna take power. You could always mandate the "underseat transponder" to have a camera and transmit video using an updated radio but again - battery life and suitable data transmission rate. If you wanted front views then there's have to be a way to fasten it in an aero way to the front of the bike.
I think if you want test drag whether inside of outside of lap oval you need a bigger object that creates drag, like a dinner plate dish side forward 50cm off center. Then with those results, do the math on the crank.
#askgcntech When I started cycling seriously there was lots of controversy about how to pedal efficiently: toes down, heel down. pull up on upstroke, 'ankling', 'scraping' at the bottom of the stroke, super high cadence, etc. Did all this get resolved and I didn't hear? What is considered best practice now? Cheers!
Y'all should have started in your own backyard. The Dolan DF5 is the absolute cheapest track bike of them all. 4,700 pounds for a complete bike including wheels.
I’d love to see both and inside look at a team car for the Olympics or Tour de France as well as a inside look at how they do television coverage especially the motorbikes just curious as to what it looks like 3:364:23
My guess for the origin of making the bikes commercially available is so that any country could buy any of the bikes for their team. No country would be able to have an exclusive technological advantage. This should be competition of athletic prowess and not one of technology. I do like the tech innovations but if I were in charge of the UCI would set a cap price on the bikes at $10k or maybe $20k. Which is still extremely high, but seems reasonable for cutting edge tech. $100k is a F.U. price.
I dont know where you live, but here in Switzerland and Austria Roads are not an issue, even back roads are usually in good condition? There are exceptions of course. The bike paths, those are often in horrible condition, the roads are fine.
Great video….. soooo much info 🤯🤯 thought you’d mention about WVA double disc wheel TT Bike🤔🤔 ALSO is it fair to say TRACK bikes are faster than TT bikes?? I would love to see them against each other indoors AND outdoors maybe with same rider too 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I think there might be a bit of trickery there from the brands, between the “inquire for price” and “call to buy”. This seems like you probably wouldn’t be able to buy one or might have to wait a very long time for availability. The UCI rule in this case does not seem that justified either, therefore I understand the trickery. And if someone is rich or stupid enough to spend 100k on a bike, well that’s a win for the manufacturer!
I stopped watching. 7 minutes in. Very interesting but you only show a pic of the bikes for maybe 2 seconds and the rest is just two dudes talking. Why not show the bike most of the time while talking in background. Probably would have watched longer.
I’m not watching a video to do the work for them. If they only want to show the bike for 2 seconds and themselves for 2 minutes I just move on to a different video. Just giving a little constructive criticism. I’m sure they would like people to view their entire videos not just a few minutes and turn it off then not click on their next video because this one sucked. Or they can just keep making them this way and have fewer views. That’s their choice.
So much for a level playing field for ALL of the Olympic level cyclists. Sailing went through this years ago, and they now have one design boats, and every sailor gets a standard boat and equipment, often a whole fleet of boats are supplied, all identical. This money spiral is madness...
We are talking Olympic Games machinery here - they can spend whatever they like. Comparing it to the general bike market is utterly pointless. It is like comparing F1 costs to a road car.
Pricing typically includes development cost di ided by number of units produced. Divide a huge number by a handful of bikes and the unit price gets real big real fast. uh
What do you think of the prices of these bikes? 💸
I don't think the price would be that high if it were a production series, however because all the R&D needs to go into what ends up as about 10 bikes in the end factoring in Japanese labor cost, it might actually be what they need to charge to break even
this SHOW SUCKS !!!!!!!!! i dont want to see you two talking about bikes this is so fucking idiodic format. SHOW ME THE DAMN BIKES, MORE THAN 3 seconds and then you idiots talk for 5 minutes. this is so dumb
Echoing the comment above mine, salaries alone for R&D engineers over a 2-4 year or longer development cycle could easily run from high hundreds of thousands to several millions. A lot of the engineers might be doing other stuff within the business, but even so, adding on the cost of tailoring each bike to each athlete and the manufacturing costs, there may not be any direct profit to be had. The benefit to the brand seems mainly to be the status of having an Olympic product and the halo effect.
Making all athletes compete on technically identical bikes is a strong argument though. If we still want to see the most cutting edge tech being used, then perhaps there should be a greater variety of events, some for the hyper bikes, and some where the rules stipulate low tech, low cost, and functionally identical.
@@chris_gb_Agreed
The Canyon is actually a better price, because adding all the bits to a basic frame set would be another $10k+. Would be good to see it against say a Dolan. Is that extra £10k worth it for marginal gainsbury?
Next time you do a video describing something like the new Hope/Lotus track bike, show more than a 1 second picture of it! It's a visual medium RUclips, not a podcast
@@cw42Utube I agree, the editing was a little less than ideal on this item.
totally agree, I wanted to have a look at the bikes well i had a very hard time doing so. A real shame for a VIDEO talking about all track bikes for the olympics
Or at least one image of the german one lol
+1 on this, even if they're going for a podcast format, just show b-roll of the bikes the whole time. I already know what these guys look like
The whole show was lacking in images, let’s see some more of the trans continental bikes too
Picking up one of those Canyon's for a commuter fixie
Migga I’m gonna steal it
... those Canyons* (plural, no apostrophe)
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Thank heaven's you were they're.
@@einundsiebenziger5488most likely they are from the Netherlands :)
The Pinarello got this wierd price tag, because it is without VAT. With the Italian VAT (22%) it is exactly 60000€
the price tag is part of the design, Italian style 🤌
41:26 Got my bike on Bike Vault! Really chuffed, did it on a whim as, even though I was completely lost, had an amazing view down the valley, so got the bike propped up and took a pic.
Al those crazy amounts, the Netherlands team has a koga frame set, that retails at 9,499 i ques that's a company of enthousiast that want more of their bikes out on track.
I like the dynamic between Connor and Ollie. Connor is like Ollie's psychiatrist and just there to listen to his yap fest. I wish to have a friend like Connor but almost all my friends have ADHD like me. Same bird flocks together I guess.
They should take some inspiration from motorsports where, in production vehicle-based racing leagues, the cars, more than just being commercially available, need to have a minimum quantity in production. So they do have to be somewhat reasonably priced, or else they'll just end up with a bunch of homologation specials gathering dust in their inventory.
32:39 Sweet! My comment was featured! ❤ GCN!!
Didn't realize it was already time for Conor's once-a-year haircut. Looking good, dude!
For the watchers, could we have longer more zoomed in photos and in the case of the german team we didn't even get a photo!
Which is especially weird since like they said you can just go on the FES website and buy all the compontents. Frames, wheels, handle bars etc. Why not show them?
They could have also easily put together a whole bike and compared that price to the others instead of just the price for the frame.
Thanks for the mention, we're stoked to see so many bikes on the Bikes Of TCRNo10. It's great to be able to see the evolution of bikepacking race bikes!
The UCI needs the concept of Homologation like in motorsport. The companies need to make and sell X amount of them to the public for them to be legal, that way companies just can't "technically" sell them but not really.
And that number needs to be legitimate. Not 10 bikes that find their way to being owned by friends of the manufacturer.
Cycling is miles behind motorsport - even though plenty of people think it's up there. It's not......
@WerdnaLiten this would take a modest rule change. Obviously, cycling will be behind motorsports in terms of the money thrown at r&d. But a simple rule change like this would really not be a big deal. And unlike with motorsports, regular people can ride these bikes without the issues that come from random punters having 1500hp under their feet.
If the UCI rules forces them to produce at least 1,000 frames for Olympic track bikes. Bike manufacturers like Hope-Lotus is going to lose a lot of money. Since they don’t actually develop their Olympic track bike with an intent to sell to the general public.
@iMadrid11 there are nearly no real track bikes sold in 4 digit numbers these days. Even the Look won't hit 1000 copies. Argon 18 probably will but not even in a year. The number would really need to be closer to 100 or 200 and that's a stretch too.
The variety of textures in the kislux pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.
"Field of Beef" - Thanks for naming my band.
I liked the discussion about onboard cameras and the use of drones - fully agree with it all. Imagine watching Cav breaking the record from a POV perspective. The more regular use of drone footage in the XC MTB coverage has been spectacular.
GCN Rocks 👏 all the time
12:21 What's so expensive about putting the chain on the other side? It's a track bike without a free hub. Just turn the wheel and crank around.
I've never seen a left hand track hub. Maybe they can be hand made though. I think the problem is the lock ring, it needs to have a right hand thread for track also because they are usually left hand thread on the right side of the hub.
I had a hub almost fully custom made with free and fixed gears. It cost me a bit. This was many years ago.
edit; I just noticed a complete left drive minus bike is $1000 from Affinity cycles in NY. They had Philwood custom make a few sets.
I love that WX-R, but bloody hell, £25 grand AND it doesn't even come with tyres! at that price I'd expect tyres, and a bell too! But you get neither, crazy.😅
A bell actually decreases the value massively
@@BPM-x4k what, even a 3d printed aerobell?
@@DalstonVinyl Just joking. The new Garmin head unit has a bell inside the unit. I think every bike unit should have this
@@BPM-x4k yes! mandatory Garmins, even on balance bikes!!
If it’s sold in the UK it would legally have to be sold with a bell 👍😅
I took my MSF (Motorcycle Safety FOundation) training course with a Competition Motorbike Police officer, It is absolutely wild how much control they have over these massive motorcycles.
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
For a long time, as the price of Chanel increased, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I'll be happy that I have the kislux as my travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one will have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
As a native French speaker, I can say that Conor and Ollie’s French is quite respectable.
I remember there being lots of grumbles in MotoGP when the onboard cameras started but only a few riders had them. Think the only solution to the power meter numbers would be a UCI controlled hardware and head unit supply like the control ECU we see in British Superbikes etc, but there was strong resistance to that initially from the manufacturers. No doubt there would be complaints about that too from the current suppliers and sponsors.
The real reason the Japanese Olympic track bike has the crank on the left-hand side is so that when entering the picture in the bike vault, they can be showing drive side and still have the track in the background. You heard it here first.😅 And being a track bike, it will always be in biggie smalls…
so I reckon within the next 6 months there will be two videos
1. Ollie touring the Factor factory
2. Meet Ollie's new commuter bike.
Could get a bit of a discount on it by borrowing from Alan's collection of Dura-Ace components from under his kitchen sink
Week 72 of asking for a "The UCI has no jurisdiction here" t-shirt
If it's really the 72nd week you really deserve this
It is
GCN are you reading this. When you're gonna act on it.
Just print one yourself, cheaper
@@nangkutaye9870 🫣
Like the Hair cut Connor!
Hope-Lotus any day. You had me at Hope, greatest components out there.
23:00 Long rides is my favourite category in cycling. After my first gravel bike, I decided not buy a road bike anymore. Either get a fast/aero gravel or an adventure / e-gravel that can take up extra luggage.
New camera? Beautiful 4K
Pete's bike is a 100% AliExpress bike, I love it
It has the carbon RaceWorks crankset and the same 1x12 LTWOO GR12 that I use. Super for the price.
you’re literally my comfort person i love you kislux !
What I find interesting is the 2 countries with the most expensive bikes Australia and Japan are also the countries who have the most velodromes, 65 active velodromes each. With the closest countries coming in behind them in third are Italy and Argentina with 31 each. To be fair, I know one of Melbourne’s track is a pop up at the tennis centre and only constructed for major events and then dismantled.
Great stuff today! 👍
In my experience the left hand drive only seemed to be a factor in a match sprint when going slow on the banking. But this was on a 40+ degree steep bank and with an older steel bike that had a significant chain line offset.
Re: Using gravel bikes for the Transcontinental--Lael Willcox is using a Specialized Roubaix to do the 18,000 mi Around-the-World trip/race. She just has it decked out like a gravel w/35mm tires, etc. As someone who would like to bikepack across the US or around Scotland and Ireland in the future, this makes me feel better in case I can't afford another bike. The build I'm currently finishing is a Specialized Roubaix frame. Right now, I have 25mm tires on. In the future, I could get a different wheelset that would allow wider tires. I'm not an f'n millionaire...the millionaires I've worked for in the past made sure of that!
Conors comment about tax is actually a good comment, because these bikes will be purchases as business-to-business transactions meaning no VAT. Very well thought out there Conor.
I still have a set of the Mavic Ksyrium SL wheels from back in the day. Very cool to look at and fun to ride,but the DT Swiss wheels that came with my 2012 Specialized Roubaix have been completely bombproof, so the Mavics mostly hang in the shed.
Speaking of tires, I've had really good luck w/Panaracer Tour Guard Plus tires. Finally got a puncture after 8 months when I road over something metal in the road. They're still going strong after I road over glass in the road the other day. (The homeless leave broken bottles around.) I highly recommend the Panaracers.
Awesome show,super long episode this time but that's a record for the bike vault of 6 super nice's in a row for people's bikes.💯👌🏻✌🏻🚴♂️
I disagree the yellow dogma looks antiquated now , i think it still looks modern.
You super niced and Ali express build 👌🏼
Dan Bigham riding clockwise around the track to test the chainset aerodynamics. Surely riding clockwork is potentially slower due to the conditioning of riding anticlockwise for years?
For the Transcontinental would you set your route via Bike shops and "Tesco" or local equivalent
Black box uci power meters
Standard bikes for all components now!
Why no mention of the Koga Kinsei track bike?
The probably never have gotten money from Koga.
@@strobelightnetwork4541I doubt the German or French Olympic Federations have ever given GCN any money 🤦♂️
We’re talking new and 2023-2024 tech. A new van goes for about 60k € (Mercedes-Benz EQV), a middle-class car 55k € (EQB). Your point of comparison, 25k € were a serious car, is a bit off from my perspective. Be mindful of the increasingly widening income gap. Sure, those limited-edition Tour/Olympics vehicles, they want to sell them to colletors. The other models however, they’re targetted to the side with money, as sad as that might sound, for econ reasons. Just don’t get surprised.
Speaking of Continental tires, I wish there was a simple chart comparing their lineup of tires by rolling/puncture resistance. Their own website has limited information and the Bicycle Rolling Resistance site only lists a handful of models.
I'm not really a shoe kinda person and certainly the cycling shoes I have are functional and comfortable but not trendy or expensive. But them shoes that Cav has... I want 😍
When they say "it't been tweeked for Paris" and I am immidiately imagine a special baguette cage.
Can confirm. The Paris 2024 XC MTB have redesigned frame storage for a baguette, a bottle cage which can hold a bottle of wine, a specially designed frame strap for onions and the helmets have a special cigarette cut-out. Each frame is toughness tested by dropping it from the heights of a French man's arrogance all the way down to his courage. 😉
24:30 I'm with Connor. After more than 10.000km my rear tire (Conti Gator Hardshell) gave up on an unplanned offroad section due to some sharp stones and I was contemplating getting the GP5000 for a change. They have half of the rolling resistance than the Hardshell, so it's 20W saved with two tires, but after a lot of back and forth I decided to buy the Hardshell again and the reasons are easy: I'm not racing my bike, rather I do long distances over 200k and I rather spend my time riding than fixing a flat (I still ride tubes). Also I'm a taller so heavier guy and while the GP's are also said to be very puncture resistant, I just feel better riding an even safer tire. I don't care about the watt loss and I guess because of the compound mixture they're way more durable. I've seen GP5000's after 10k and they are done. My wear indicators on both front and rear are still like new after 10k, so you could probably still use them for another 20k at least. And to close it of: Especially doing the TCR on a road bike, with all the gravel parts in it, as well as the roads down in the Balkans I would definitely go with a chunkier but more resistant tire. Incidentally I just saw the Instagram stories of the TCR today and it's been a lot of pictures of people fixing their GP5000s.
I feel like we need an 'Olympic Standard' set of bikes. Host nations provide massive venues and gear for the events and I think bikes need to be considered to make things fair. I imagine all-white frames, not available to public but riders only, 2 weeks before for practice. They will be based on the going standard for high-end bikes of the time but must be unbranded with a variety of frames and adjustability to fit. - Possibly a controversial take, but I'd love to see under-funded nations kick some ass.
I remember the day vividly, and not because it was a beautiful summer morning in New York City. It started with an innocent breakfast of street tacos - cheap, greasy, and ultimately treacherous. I was halfway through my usual bike ride around Central Park when I felt the first ominous rumble in my stomach.
"No big deal," I thought, trying to push through. But the gurgles quickly became a full-blown stomach revolt. Sweat trickled down my forehead, not from the exertion, but from sheer terror. I needed a bathroom, and fast.
I pedaled like a man possessed, my eyes darting around for any sign of relief. The first restroom I found had an "Out of Order" sign taunting me. The pressure in my bowels was now a full-blown emergency. Every pedal stroke jostled my stomach, threatening to unleash a catastrophe. The sweat on my back turned cold with fear.
I spotted another restroom near the lake and raced towards it. As I got closer, my heart sank - there was a line of tourists. Waiting was not an option. My body was betraying me, and I was running out of time.
I took off again, zigzagging through the park, my vision tunneling. The pressure was unbearable. I could feel the inevitable disaster inching closer. I finally saw a café and bolted towards it. As I dismounted and tried the door, it was locked. "Restroom for customers only," the sign mocked.
Desperation clouded my judgment. I considered ducking behind a bush, but Central Park was teeming with people. The thought of getting caught mid-squat was too humiliating to bear. I resumed my frantic ride, my mind a blur of panic and self-preservation.
And then it happened. The dam broke. There, in the middle of Central Park, surrounded by families enjoying their day, I lost the battle. The initial relief was quickly overshadowed by the mortifying realization of what had just happened. Warmth spread through my shorts, followed by an undeniable, awful drip down my legs. The smell hit me next, a nauseating confirmation of my worst fear.
I stood frozen, face burning with shame as I felt the sticky mess leaking down my calves and into my socks. I could see the horrified expressions of people around me, some covering their noses, others pointing and laughing. The stench was unmistakable. My legs felt like jelly as I slowly mounted my bike, the squelch in my shorts a cruel reminder of my predicament.
The ride home was a new level of torment. Every pedal stroke spread the mess further, the slick, uncomfortable sensation adding to my misery. The smell was unbearable, a cloud of shame that followed me every mile. People I passed gave me wide berths, their disgusted looks searing into my memory.
When I finally made it home, fifteen agonizing miles later, I stumbled into the shower, fully clothed, trying to wash away the shame and stink. My legs were coated, my socks ruined, and my dignity in tatters. The whole ordeal had left me a broken man, forever wary of street tacos.
But it wasn't over. My friends heard the story, of course. They laughed until they cried, dubbing me "Poopy Pants Pete." Now, every time we ride through Central Park, they never let me forget it. The story of my infamous ride has become legend, retold at every gathering, ensuring my shame lives on forever.
And so, I learned the hard way that sometimes, no matter how prepared you think you are, life has a way of humbling you in the most public and smelly ways possible. My advice? Always know the location of the nearest restroom and avoid sketchy street food before a long bike ride.
With regards to the TRC 10, i'm totally gutted for Victor Bosoni who had to return from the lead to pick up his passport he forgot..........one to watch for next year i think.
INEOS Grenadiers!!!!!!!!
Looks like a brilliant day out, keeping your powder dry at the beginning pays at the end.
7:55 Ollie the accent is on the letter "o".
It's Bòlide not bolìde
I've got a discount code for £10 off the Japanese bike if anyone wants it.
Why nothing on the (rather successful) Dutch team and bikes (Koga)
The Van Nicholas is what many bikes aspire to be. It's bloody gorgeous. I would ride a lot more if I had one. Titanium bikes are the shite.
Thank you GCN and all the G_N shows for producing so much content so regularly for us. This must take a tremendous amount of planning filming and editing ❤❤❤
Hi gentlemen. I was wondering what the easiest way to find and sign up for bike races in your country (in my case Canada and USA) would be?
Bikereg
@@veganpotterthevegan thanks so much
@@brothatwasepic you're welcome. Happy racing!!!
That new TT bike sure screams the old Floyd Landis Preying Mantis position
How often should I admit defeat and resubmit to the bike vault?
Never admit defeat - keep resubmitting.
I tried for nearly 8 years to got 'Super Nice'.🎉
8 years!!?? @contactkrit
@@rememberyourlight816 Yes, I keep patient submitted my bikes since 2017 with nearly 20 bikes and splashed hundreds thousands dollars 💸. But it worth for me.
They should introduce a price cap, so that the bikes have to be commercially at less than the price cap.
left-side drive-train isn't about aero, it's about pushing the center of gravity of the bike further toward the black line and shortening the overall distance travelled by the rider; namaste
Put the onboard camera in the bike computer. Ain't rocket science. The only real issues are (1) if you want real time footage there would have to be a suitably high data rate radio with antenna to broadcast the signal back to something en route and (2) battery life. Camera's, additional storage, radio/antenna take power. You could always mandate the "underseat transponder" to have a camera and transmit video using an updated radio but again - battery life and suitable data transmission rate. If you wanted front views then there's have to be a way to fasten it in an aero way to the front of the bike.
I think if you want test drag whether inside of outside of lap oval you need a bigger object that creates drag, like a dinner plate dish side forward 50cm off center. Then with those results, do the math on the crank.
#askgcntech When I started cycling seriously there was lots of controversy about how to pedal efficiently: toes down, heel down. pull up on upstroke, 'ankling', 'scraping' at the bottom of the stroke, super high cadence, etc. Did all this get resolved and I didn't hear? What is considered best practice now? Cheers!
Need a review of the allroad e bike. 140km of assisted range at 11.8 kg🤯
I love you so much! I recently just found your kislux and i’m in love!! Your videos are so fun and you energy is just MWAH! keep living your life
15:32 loophole? Don’t you mean “UCI reach-around?” Ollie?!
Y'all should have started in your own backyard. The Dolan DF5 is the absolute cheapest track bike of them all. 4,700 pounds for a complete bike including wheels.
I’d love to see both and inside look at a team car for the Olympics or Tour de France as well as a inside look at how they do television coverage especially the motorbikes just curious as to what it looks like 3:36 4:23
My guess for the origin of making the bikes commercially available is so that any country could buy any of the bikes for their team. No country would be able to have an exclusive technological advantage. This should be competition of athletic prowess and not one of technology. I do like the tech innovations but if I were in charge of the UCI would set a cap price on the bikes at $10k or maybe $20k. Which is still extremely high, but seems reasonable for cutting edge tech. $100k is a F.U. price.
Complete road bike builds between $10,000 - $15,000 doesnt sound so bad after all.
I think the cheapest is the Canadian Argon 18 Electron Pro TKO.
What happened to the special smaller chain size chaniring/cogs that came out about 4 years ago for the British bikes?
The prices are ridiculous
i hope your boss gives you shares of the company, as its riding on your backs!
I dont know where you live, but here in Switzerland and Austria Roads are not an issue, even back roads are usually in good condition? There are exceptions of course. The bike paths, those are often in horrible condition, the roads are fine.
dem bike mans dem does be filming a TdF descent at the same speed the guy riding at! But they're on a 2000lb monster with another dude in back!
What about Koga ? They are sponsoring the individual men's sprint world champion after all
Great video….. soooo much info 🤯🤯 thought you’d mention about WVA double disc wheel TT Bike🤔🤔 ALSO is it fair to say TRACK bikes are faster than TT bikes?? I would love to see them against each other indoors AND outdoors maybe with same rider too 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I think there might be a bit of trickery there from the brands, between the “inquire for price” and “call to buy”. This seems like you probably wouldn’t be able to buy one or might have to wait a very long time for availability. The UCI rule in this case does not seem that justified either, therefore I understand the trickery. And if someone is rich or stupid enough to spend 100k on a bike, well that’s a win for the manufacturer!
All the TdF hyper/super road bikes now look absolutely bargain! Buy buy buy!
I stopped watching. 7 minutes in. Very interesting but you only show a pic of the bikes for maybe 2 seconds and the rest is just two dudes talking. Why not show the bike most of the time while talking in background. Probably would have watched longer.
just to bug you 😌
Ever heard of a pause button?
I’m not watching a video to do the work for them. If they only want to show the bike for 2 seconds and themselves for 2 minutes I just move on to a different video. Just giving a little constructive criticism. I’m sure they would like people to view their entire videos not just a few minutes and turn it off then not click on their next video because this one sucked.
Or they can just keep making them this way and have fewer views. That’s their choice.
So much for a level playing field for ALL of the Olympic level cyclists. Sailing went through this years ago, and they now have one design boats, and every sailor gets a standard boat and equipment, often a whole fleet of boats are supplied, all identical. This money spiral is madness...
Put transponder on front of bike for aero advantage?
I don't think that anyone is angry about these prices, simply because no one needs such bike in their daily ride.
The problem of having to have your bikes made available to the public and not a one of commission to each country federation.
We are talking Olympic Games machinery here - they can spend whatever they like. Comparing it to the general bike market is utterly pointless. It is like comparing F1 costs to a road car.
I guess I know where we can have a "cheaper" version of a TT bike: buy a fixie gears bike, then customize it
En el momento en que vi el bolso kislux , supe que tenía que tenerlo.
I think the Canadian one might be cheaper, its an Argon 18.
Show the bike pics for longer and the presenters less! I have no time to drool...
speak for yourself!
Pricing typically includes development cost di ided by number of units produced. Divide a huge number by a handful of bikes and the unit price gets real big real fast. uh
I highly doubt those frames are even available in stocks, probably made to order with extremely long waiting time!
Oh no, poor Ollie's got his hat on back-to-front again 🫢